Bob Barr ‘flip-flopping’ on global warming confirmed

Anthony Gregory of LRC points out:

On the Glenn Beck show, in early June, Barr said, “Global warming is a myth. And yet it`s being used by the environmental folks, by the internationalists. A lot of the pressure is coming from the United Nations and other countries. Some of which, like China, of course, are pushing the Kyoto Protocol. Why? Because they`re exempt. It`s going to saddle us. And what is McCain doing? He`s out there buying into this global warming, carbon emission cap and trade.”

Now Barr says, “Former Vice President Al Gore and I have met privately to discuss the issue of global warming, and I was pleased and honored that he invited me to attend the ‘We’ Campaign event. Global warming is a reality as most every organization that has studied the matter has concluded, whether conservative-leaning, liberal oriented or independent.”

How about libertarian?

64 thoughts on “Bob Barr ‘flip-flopping’ on global warming confirmed

  1. G.E. Post author

    “Pleased and honored” that a neocon globalist invited him to discuss junk science and Communism.

    Gore is to Barr as Barr is to the Beltwayites on the LNC who creamed their jeans that a real live politico gave them the time of day.

  2. G.E. Post author

    I’m waiting for the Barr apologistas to explain to me how this is a “spin.”

    “Global warming is a myth” in June.

    “Global warming is a reality” in July.

  3. darolew

    Well, at least the flip-flop is an improvement. Denying the existence of global warming doesn’t fly in this day and age.

    I’m far more upset with the “There obviously is a role for government” comment he made. Now that’s a real let-down.

  4. Steve LaBianca

    The first thingIi noticed was the lack of Barr using the term “libertartian”. I make a point of not visiting his site, but the last time I was there, the “libertarian” was missing there also. Sure the work liberty is there, but as Michale Cloud has inferred, who’s NOT for (liberty) freedom? What are you for . . . slavery?

    No, Barr is very sparse now on his use of the L word. He is running away from “libertarian” in more ways than one.

  5. Steve Perkins

    Funny that you cut-n-pasted only that one sentence, rather than including the paragraph for context:

    Global warming is a reality as most every organization that has studied the matter has concluded, whether conservative-leaning, liberal oriented or independent. I am, however, also aware that scientists differ on its causes, impact and remedies. I remain firmly committed to free market solutions and innovations to address this issue; not tax-driven policies.

    In other words, pretty much everyone agrees that temperatures today are warmer than in the recent past. DUH. However, he’s skeptical that the cause of this is man-made… and opposes non free market policies in addressing it.

    You know, I’m not sure that you’re getting your point across by simply posting 3 or 4 anti-Barr posts per day, and posting 3 or 4 anti-Barr comments yourself under your own threads (even before anyone else has said anything). I think you should also write anti-Barr articles on some other website too… that way you can CITE to your own anti-Barr articles in your anti-Barr posts before making anti-Barr comments about them. Then you can finish up with a swipe at TPW for being a one-sided mouthpiece.

  6. Steven R Linnabary

    G.E. // Jul 18, 2008 at 5:45 pm :

    I’m waiting for the Barr apologistas to explain to me how this is a “spin.”

    “Global warming is a myth” in June.

    “Global warming is a reality” in July.

    GE, I work outdoors. It IS warmer in July!

    Flippant comments aside, it is getting harder by the day to think of holding my nose when I go into the voting booth in November. But I will have to do it. I’m on the list of “electors” pledged to Barr.

    What the hell is he thinking?

    PEACE
    Steve

  7. Steve Perkins

    Oh, and you “accidentally” forgot to include his reference to the Libertarian Party in the paragraph immediately above this one also. You’re welcome.

  8. G.E. Post author

    Perkins – A month ago he said it was a “myth.”

    Now he says it’s a “reality.”

    He says he’s not for government solutions — but at his own Web site he says he is.

    He says he wants to “privatize” Fannie and Freddie, but what he talks about doing would make them less private, not more.

    We publish plenty of articles that portray Barr in a positive light. It gets harder and harder to do as time goes by. And the apologists for his disgraceful positions are getting more and more pathetic.

  9. Steve Perkins

    If anyone cares to actually click the links in your post, read them and think for themselves, then they can see that the Beck program discussion addressed the “myth” that man is causing global warming and that the U.N. has to do something to avert doom. The Al Gore press release starts with the “reality” that the world is warmer today than in the recent past, and then immediately the cause, severity, and remedies available.

    Sure… if you hate the guy’s guts to begin with, you can extract the word “myth” from one sentence and “reality” from the other… and howl about how you hate his guts. On the other hand, if you have the motivation to actually read the damn things in full, it’s pretty obvious that there’s no flip-flop there.

    People will fall into the category that they’re going to fall into. Just as it gets “harder and harder as time goes by” for you to say anything positive about the Party’s nominee, it likewise gets harder and harder for me to dream about actually talking with people on intellectually honest footing rather than just screaming bumper sticker slogans at each other.

  10. G.E. Post author

    So in praising Al Gore and saying “there’s a role for government,” what Barr was really doing is saying that global warming is not man-made?

    Puh-lease.

    Just like how Barr calls for “privatization” of companies that are essentially private in all ways except for those by which Barr wants to make them less so.

  11. Thomas L. Knapp

    On the one hand, I tend to agree with Carl Milsted that Barr’s statement, in addition to being a flip-flop, was waffle par excellence … other than acknowledging the reality of global warming, it’s pretty much without any content at all.

    On the other hand, credit where credit is due … if you’re going to flip-flop, it’s better to flip-flop from the wrong position (“global warming is a myth”) to the right position (“global warming is a reality”) than the other way around. Glad to see Barr coming around on this.

  12. G.E. Post author

    Yay, now he agrees with Obama and McCain.

    Global warming is a fraud, and luckily, you will live to see proof of that, Tom. Just as the global cooling enthusiasts a few decades ago did. Were you among them?

  13. Steve Perkins

    So in praising Al Gore and saying “there’s a role for government,” what Barr was really doing is saying that global warming is not man-made?

    Of all the things you conveniently “chose” to cut out of your hack-piece, this is one thing where you didn’t have a choice. Barr never said that. Never even implied it. Again, to anyone who actually cares to read this stuff rather than trust G.E.’s always-fair-and-balanced synopsis, click the link to the article and do a quick text search on “role for government”.

  14. Mike Theodore

    My useless thoughts on global warming:
    Simply put, I have no way to make an opinion. What are my scientific credentials? I’ve sat through science classes. I find it kind of obnoxious that two people can shout each other out telling the other their unequivocally wrong.
    There’s usually no science between the arguments. Just what they’ve been told.
    I find no way I can shout everyone down saying it’s a fraud with no credentials whatsoever.

  15. Steven R Linnabary

    Global warming is a fraud, and luckily, you will live to see proof of that…

    Actually, there is a famous painting of Washington crossing the Delaware dodging ice flows. That does not happen today. The Ohio River used to freeze over every winter. From the 1400’s to the 1800’s, the Thames River would freeze over, enabling a “Winter Festival” that would last all winter. These are all facts.

    That does not mean that global warming is man-made, though. Mankind cannot stop global warming any more than it can stop the changing seasons.

    PEACE
    Steve

  16. G.E. Post author

    Perkins – Furthermore…

    Barr, a former Republican congressman from Georgia, said it is time to recognize that global warming “is a very serious problem” and that it will get “dramatically worse” unless significant action is taken.

    So Barr thinks we should take “significant action” to address a problem that isn’t man-made, but just a part of nature?

    Please reconcile this myth/reality for me.

    Of course, you could simply lie and say that Barr didn’t say that, and it’s part of a “smear” by me. Anyone who supported Barr clearly has no scruples after what his campaign did to Mary Ruwart, so it’s no surprise that your ilk now lie and cheat without repentance.

  17. Steve Perkins

    Yup, I was looking at the Fox Business link, and missed the two-link jump to get the TheHill story. Still, I have no idea what “a role for government” means… in light of simultaneously bashing pretty much every government plan put on the table. I won’t go so far as to concede the flip-flop label, but yeah… that’s certainly a whopper of a waffle. “My ilk” won’t defend it… or otherwise cheat (huh?).

    Not that this will save any face after missing that point… but get over the Ruwart thing already. I was on the floor in Denver… and when the Root guys were talking about distributing a child porn flyer during the rounds, the Barr guys told them that would be asinine. Besides, I never saw a real “smear” from any camp regardless. Ruwart took axiomatic thinking to a silly level, and people threw her direct quotes back at her.

    It wasn’t that issue that cost her the nomination anyway. Coulda, shoulda, woulda… she jumped in late, was a snoozefest in the debate, put too much focus on her gender, and talked about “Old Media darlings” vs. “New Media darlings” in front of a slideshow featuring some story in a longevity magazine. The Bylaws and Platform proceedings made clear that “anybody but Barr” wasn’t going to be enough to run on this year, and that was all there was.

  18. G.E. Post author

    “Cheat” was a reference to the Barr-owned TPW’s theft and fraud. I collectivistly cast them among your “ilk.” 🙂

  19. Jim Rongstad

    Here is Barr’s press release on the matter:

    After former Vice President Al Gore’s “We” Campaign event at D.A.R. Constitution Hall concluded, Libertarian Party presidential nominee Bob Barr issued the following statement:

    Former Vice President Al Gore and I have met privately to discuss the issue of global warming, and I was pleased and honored that he invited me to attend the “We” Campaign event. Global warming is a reality as most every organization that has studied the matter has concluded, whether conservative-leaning, liberal oriented or independent. I am, however, also aware that scientists differ on its causes, impact and remedies. I remain firmly committed to free market solutions and innovations to address this issue; not tax-driven policies.

    I commend Mr. Gore for his efforts and leadership in this area, and urge Senators Obama and McCain to join me in studying, debating, and finding solutions to the problem of energy needs, consumption and effects. The American people deserve to hear all of our views and proposals on this issue and others. I am particularly pleased that Mr. Gore agrees that the public debate of this issue should include me so that the American people can make an informed choice after hearing a range of views. However, the fact that neither of the two major party candidates attended this event may indicate their unwillingness to address this important issue. Mr. McCain, for example, seems to have adopted already the internationalist approach and relying on the cumbersome and costly “cap and trade” formula and he may therefore be unwilling to engage in a real debate that would reveal how flawed that approach truly is.

  20. G.E. Post author

    Global warming is a reality as most every organization that has studied the matter has concluded,

    A month ago, Barr said it was a globalist “myth.” Now one of the few differences between he and McBama has been blurred.

    whether conservative-leaning, liberal oriented or independent.

    No mention of libertarians because Barr is not one / thinks “libertarians” are really angry conservatives.

    I remain firmly committed to free market solutions and innovations to address this issue; not tax-driven policies.

    “Free market” like government bailouts of NYSE-traded companies? Like fascist leasing of government property to private interests?

    I commend Mr. Gore for his efforts and leadership in this area,

    Commending an arch-propogandist and admitted liar? SLIGHTLY better than commending Jesse Helms, I guess. No, not really.

    Disgraceful.

  21. Arthur Torrey

    [quote]Steven R Linnabary:
    Flippant comments aside, it is getting harder by the day to think of holding my nose when I go into the voting booth in November. But I will have to do it. I’m on the list of “electors” pledged to Barr.[/quote]

    I’m not going to offer to “feel your pain” Steve, as I’m not that sort… [Grin!?] However I am also a potential Presidential Elector. Currently I’m pledged to George Phillies since I’m from Mass., but we are told that Barr will be suing to get substitution, and will probably succeed according to the ballot experts.

    That said, there are two votes – what you do in November is 100% your personal and private business, unless you choose to tell others. You are under ZERO obligation to vote for Barr at that time.

    ONLY in the probably unlikely event that the LP / Barr carries your state, will you get to cast the electoral vote, which you have nominally pledged to cast for Barr. In Mass. I probably have about the lowest likelyhood of this as anywhere in the US (The devil is more likely to need an HVAC tech than a non-D is likely to win Mass.) – however I’ve publically stated on numerous occasions that I pledged to cast my Electoral Vote for a LIBERTARIAN – since Barr isn’t one, I don’t feel obliged to vote for him, in the unlikely chance that I get the chance to not do so…

    I strongly suspect that there may be several other Mass. electors that feel the same way….

    ART
    LPMA Operations Facilitator
    LPMA Presidential Elector
    Elected Libertarian
    Speaking for myself.

  22. darren

    G.E. – I can only imagine that you’ve never been interviewed, or you would wonder what Barr told The Hill that they didn’t quote. His press release is very clear, as Steve pointed out, but The Hill article definitely garbles the message with “role of government”. It paints Barr as a centrist with a mix of private and public solutions rather than a free market skeptic like in his press release. What we don’t know is the question that prompted him to admit some sort of “role for government”. It may have been a “when did you stop beating your wife” kind of question.

    In any case, I’ll take his direct statement (press release) over the media filter. And I can’t say The Hill painting Barr as a centrist on global warming when McCain and Obama are out in left field is all bad for public perception.

  23. cynthiatweedle

    Can anyone give a specific link for Barr’s statements? Fox News Business got an article from Comtex about this topic which cited a press release from Barr’s website (homepage), but I can’t find anything about this on his website, nor did I get an email from his campaign with these statements.

    If no one can find it, I will consider it hooey

  24. G.E. Post author

    Deran – Let’s see. I was just on Sirius radio for an hour on Wednesday.

    “Never been interviewed.” I can assure you I’ve been interviewed plenty, and yes, I know that interviewers can take statements out of context. There is no context you can fit Barr’s statist flip-flopping into that would make it any better.

    The Barr apologists are over the edge of sanity to suggest that The Hill is fabricating statements.

  25. G.E. Post author

    cynthiatweed also thinks that the Barr media organ TPW is also fabricating Barr press releases.

  26. Deran

    “Deran – Let’s see.”

    Sorry, G.E.. Different people. This darren supports Barr, I guess. I’m the socialist of some sort.

  27. Jim Rongstad

    Barr’s press release on John McCain and Cap and trade, issued July 11:

    “Sen. John McCain has been one of the strongest Senate supporters of job-killing proposals for so-called cap and trade, which would dramatically cut American energy use, and thus economic growth. But some of his supporters say that he’s dropped the idea. Where does John McCain stand?”, asks Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate for president.

    Concerns over climate change have become an excuse for imposing draconian new regulations on the economy. “Until now Sen. John McCain has taken the lead, along with Sen. Joe Lieberman and others, in advancing legislation that would push the American economy into a permanent recession,” explains Barr. The most extreme proposals, rejected by the Senate, would cut American energy use by 70 percent by the year 2050. “Where does John McCain stand?”, asks Bob Barr.

    “The science of climate change is extraordinarily complicated. Contrary to past predictions, average temperatures have not increased over the last decade,” explains Barr. “It makes far more sense to use American ingenuity and technology to adapt to future changes in the climate than to wreck the economy in order to prevent temperature increases that may never occur.”

    In promoting cap and trade, Sen. McCain demonstrated that “he failed to understand that impoverishing America will actually make it harder to protect the environment,” notes Barr. “But perhaps he has rediscovered good old American common sense. Where does John McCain stand? The American people deserve to know.”

  28. Jim Rongstad

    I think this whole “issue” is basically much ado about nothing. I see nothing in what Barr has said or written about this issue that causes me concern. In fact it is just the opposite.

    I think Barr is doing an excellent job of getting media coverage. That is something unheard of for a LP candidate.

    I originally supported Mary Ruwart, but since Barr won the nomination, I have grown to respect him more and more. No he isn’t a hard core libertarian, but he would move this country in the libertarian direction.

    I’ve been in the LP since 1998 and one of the biggest problems is the constant infighting about purity. While this fight goes on the two major parties continue to lead us down the path to bigger government.

    It is long past the time we should end this bickering and support someone (Barr) who will change the direction we are headed.

  29. Thomas L. Knapp

    “So Barr thinks we should take ‘significant action’ to address a problem that isn’t man-made, but just a part of nature?”

    Right — because nobody takes “significant action” if a non-man-made problem is a problem.

    Earthquake knocks down half of Los Angeles? “What … you think we’re going to DO something?”

    Mississippi flooding? “Levee? Surely you jest. Flooding is not a man-made problem, and therefore nobody should do anything about it.”

    Arguing that government is not the solution is libertarian. Arguing that “significant action” versus problems that are “part of nature” is unlibertarian is substantively the same as arguing in favor of returning to the trees and giving up language.

  30. cynthiatweedle

    No G.E., I asked for a link. Since you seem to have it, would you please share it with me?

    I trust no one when it comes to politics.

  31. cynthiatweedle

    Jim Rongstad, I agree with what you said, “It is long past the time we should end this bickering”. Also, I don’t trust people who give smart aleck responses to honest questions. I haven’t made my mind up about voting for Barr but that kind of response makes me want to because it says so much about the character of someone who opposes him.

  32. G.E. Post author

    Knapp – Absolutely absurd! If the climate is warming due to a NATURAL CYCLE, and Barr thinks “significant action” should be taken to change that, then he’s talking about altering nature, an intervention for which there are sure to be consequences.

    I love how the Barr-can-do-no-wrong apologists AND the “global warming” mass delusionists who previously opposed Barr are giving him a pass on this massive flip flop. A month ago he said “global warming is a myth” — and now he’s PRAISING AL GORE for his work on climate change.

    The man has no shame.

  33. sunshinebatman

    “significant action” is a direct quote from Beth Sussman, a reporter for The Hill, not Barr.

    This is middle-school reading-comprehension stuff here, kids.

  34. rerickardjr

    After former Vice President Al Gore’s “We” Campaign event at D.A.R. Constitution Hall concluded, Libertarian Party presidential nominee Bob Barr issued the following statement:

    Former Vice President Al Gore and I have met privately to discuss the issue of global warming, and I was pleased and honored that he invited me to attend the “We” Campaign event. Global warming is a reality as most every organization that has studied the matter has concluded, whether conservative-leaning, liberal oriented or independent. I am, however, also aware that scientists differ on its causes, impact and remedies. I remain firmly committed to free market solutions and innovations to address this issue; not tax-driven policies.

    I commend Mr. Gore for his efforts and leadership in this area, and urge Senators Obama and McCain to join me in studying, debating, and finding solutions to the problem of energy needs, consumption and effects. The American people deserve to hear all of our views and proposals on this issue and others. I am particularly pleased that Mr. Gore agrees that the public debate of this issue should include me so that the American people can make an informed choice after hearing a range of views. However, the fact that neither of the two major party candidates attended this event may indicate their unwillingness to address this important issue. Mr. McCain, for example, seems to have adopted already the internationalist approach and relying on the cumbersome and costly “cap and trade” formula and he may therefore be unwilling to engage in a real debate that would reveal how flawed that approach truly is

    This is Barr’s *FULL* statement on global warming and Al Gore. Show me where in this comment he flip flops? He points out there are two sides to the debate, and that he supports market driven solutions, as opposed to government driven solutions. This site conveniently leaves off the full comment. Wonder what the motivation for the omission is? No flip flop, just a fair and reasoned response.

  35. G.E. Post author

    HE SAID ONE MONTH AGO THAT GLOBAL WARMING WAS A “MYTH”

    Never in the history of politics has there been a clearer case of flip flopping.

    What is wrong with you people?

  36. G.E. Post author

    Oh, and he said elsewhere “clearly there’s a role for government” — a direct quote.

    You want to congratulate him for making it through ONE statement without contradicting himself?

  37. darolew

    “…and plus there’s Darloew. Confusing!”

    Clearly, seeing as it’s “darolew”. =P

    Had I known it was going to be a problem, I would’ve used a different name. =P

    Anyway, on topic, I really don’t see how Barr can be defended on this. That said, Barr is undoubtedly a politician, everyone knows that. Politicians pull stuff like this all the time, it’s to be expected. The LP nominated the guy, so you get what you get.

    I have low standards, so I’m still planning on voting for the guy. If it was really so important to have a nominee who never flip-flopped or deviated from principle — so important as to make it a cause for serious debate on blog commentary — then Barr was a poor choice in the first place.

  38. Bill Woolsey

    There is no evidence that Barr has changed his position on policy.

    I think going from the statement “Global warming is a myth” to “Global warming is a reality,” is best understood to be a change in his understanding of the evidence.

    It is possible, of course, that he used the term “global warming” to mean two different things. If the more detailed explanation given in the press release has been his view for some time, then he is guilty of poor word choice in the Beck interview. I don’t think using the phrase “global warming” to mean, “the Kyoto treaty will save the world from climate induced global environmental tragedy” is very sensible. I think the term “global warming” is best understood to mean that “average temperatures are rising on earth.” Or something like that.

    I didn’t like Barr’s claim that “global warming is a myth,” one bit. But, obviously, it isn’t a deciding issue for me. I continued to support him. I prefer his more nuanced view expressed in the press release much better.

    As for “a role for government,” I think that is a better answer than the alternative. “So, you are saying that government should never concern itself with global warming under any circumstances?”

    I believe that there is a role for government in protecting person and property from harmful pollution of the environment. If global warming is not caused by human activity, then this wouldn’t be relevant.

    Perhaps we will be able to build dikes in the South Carolina lowcountry without any government involvement. I hope so. But I wouldn’t run on the program of insisting that it must be done this way at this time.

  39. G.E. Post author

    Bill Woolsey – I really hope you’re on the Barr payroll. No one should be made to sacrifice their dignity and intellectual honesty as you have above for free.

  40. Thomas L. Knapp

    GE,

    We alter nature all the time. If global warming is part of a natural cycle, and that natural cycle threatens human life, should we just sit down and wait to die?

    I agree — Barr definitely flip-flopped. I’m just glad he did so in the right direction. Since he’s going to be doing SOMETHING in public, I’d rather see him concede fact in public than wallow in superstition in public.

  41. Fred Church Ortiz

    I’m glad we’ve now made climate science a political issue upon which one can flip flop. I hope we move on to geology and astronomy soon.

  42. paulie cannoli

    Yes, we need to do something about this mass tectonic plate movement hysteria.

  43. paulie cannoli

    There’s a market to stop the tectonic plate movement crisis? Don’t be silly. Only big government can solve big problems like this.

  44. Mike Theodore

    “There’s a market to stop the tectonic plate movement crisis? Don’t be silly. Only big government can solve big problems like this.”

    I beg to differ. My organization, Citizens Against Continental Drift, works around the clock to keep these “plates” exactly where they are.
    We’re also keeping an eye on this “erosion” phenomenon.

  45. paulie cannoli

    My organization, Citizens Against Continents Adrift (CACA), considers your organization to be a bunch of corporate sellouts.

  46. paulie cannoli

    What will you flea…excuse me, “free” market do about the burgeoning problems of supernovae and black holes?

  47. Mike Theodore

    We’ve organized a think tank of scientists and military leaders to find weaknesses in the future black hole plague. Also, we’re are keeping a close eye on these “supernovas”. We plan to have our solar panels one when the next one goes off.

  48. paulie cannoli

    Think tanks, fink tanks…

    How about an Emotion Tank? Thinking has to be balanced with feeling, you know. Too much logic and not enough emotion is bad for children and other living things.

  49. paulie cannoli

    You sound like a black hole denier. Are you being paid by corporate interests? How much are you getting paid?

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