Libertarian Party employee Sean Haugh: ‘Open season on women’ as long as Bill Redpath is LP national chair

In remarks published in Liberty for All, LP Political Director Sean Haugh details allegations of sexual harassment against former LNC member M Carling, and says that they led to the current sexual harassment policy in the LNC manual, which he quotes in his article. Haugh goes on to say,

The Resolution of Discipline against Angela Keaton by Stewart Flood presented at the LNC Meeting in San Diego, December 6-7, 2008, included several allegations of sexual harassment. As a personal witness to many of the events and statements alleged by Flood, I can testify that many of these comments by Keaton could indeed be classified as “sexual innuendo,” “leering,” or “graphic discussions about sexual matters.” Yet unlike Carling’s past behavior, nothing I witnessed could be described as “propositions.”

Furthermore, none of her comments could be described as “the harassment (having) the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with the employee’s work performance or creating an environment that is intimidating, hostile or offensive to the employee.” To be honest, all of us on staff found Keaton’s comments quite entertaining and inoffensive.

The attack by Flood failed directly, but succeeded indirectly by making Keaton’s life so miserable that she can no longer serve on the LNC. Flood got Keaton off the board by destroying her life.

However, the fault here lies not with Flood, but with the Chair of the LNC, Bill Redpath.

Redpath allowed Flood to air his charges in an open meeting, even though he knew most, if not all, of the charges were false. This came at the expense of time to be spent on the real business of the party, including the budget.

Redpath took no steps whatsoever to “protect the individual’s confidentiality, as much as possible,” as stated in the policy. Just the opposite, all alleged victims of Keaton’s actions were openly named by Flood’s presentation, some explicitly against their permission.

Redpath had other options to “take prompt and necessary steps to investigate the matter,” but instead chose to hold the hearing in open session in the most divisive way imaginable. Indeed, one such option, to create a reconciliation subcommittee of the LNC, was proposed by Vice Chair Mike Jingozian and approved as the method of formal resolution to this matter by the LNC.

As he left the meeting, Redpath’s last act was to appoint M Carling as the Parliamentarian of the Libertarian Party, giving him a non-voting seat at the table.

Bill Redpath was an at-large member of the LNC during the events covered by the original article. He is fully aware of all the events that led to the current LNC policy against sexual harassment.

The message is loud and clear. With Bill Redpath as our Chair, it is open season on women in leadership or on staff of the Libertarian National Committee. People such as Keaton who crusade against sexual and gender bias within the party will be run out of town on a rail. Meanwhile, men who have a history of real sexual harassment will be protected and even promoted by Bill Redpath.

Thanks to Jeff Wartman for alerting contact.ipr@gmail.com

153 thoughts on “Libertarian Party employee Sean Haugh: ‘Open season on women’ as long as Bill Redpath is LP national chair

  1. paulie cannoli Post author

    I wonder if Redpath will continue to protect Haugh’s job after this?

    How is it appropriate for staff members to publish such comments about LNC members?

  2. hogarth

    How is it appropriate for staff members to publish such comments about LNC members?

    I’m with Paul, here. If Sean was accusing Bill of some *specific wrong act*, *and* had brought it up to his immediate supervisor (Kraus) *first* and had been ignored or threatened (maybe he did, and maybe he was), then I can see such comments *maybe* being appropriate. As things stand now, though, I cannot.

  3. paulie cannoli Post author

    I have a feeling Haugh may have been one of the “staff” matters discussed in ES, and maybe is on his way out.

    Certainly possible. We’ll have to see.

    Does Redpath get to fire LNC staff, or does he need a committee vote if he wants to fire someone?

  4. paulie cannoli Post author

    And now, the other side of the coin:

    Much as I have been at loggerheads with Sean over petitioner related matters, IF his charges of a double standard are true – kudos to him for blowing the whistle.

    Especially if he is not already on his way out and is risking/sacrificing his job to do it.

  5. G.E.

    Haugh certainly deserves to be fired, but if he can take Redpath down with him, then I’ll forgive him for his transgressions. It is REDPATH who is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING Haugh ever did, anyway.

  6. hogarth

    It is REDPATH who is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING Haugh ever did, anyway.

    Blink.

    We certainly have some sharp thinkers here.

  7. BrianHoltz

    The assertion against Redpath, that “people such as Keaton who crusade against sexual and gender bias within the party will be run out of town on a rail”, seems unsupported by any evidence in the story. Which of the things in Flood’s charges are we to believe that Redpath hypnotized Keaton into doing? When did evidence and truth stop mattering in the LP?

  8. TheOriginalAndy

    I just posted this to LibertyforAll.net

    “Unfortunately the fear of legal liability, combined with the LNC’s pathological fear of disciplining its own, has also served to shield Carling.”

    LOL! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Sean Haugh and his butt buddy Scott “The Theif” Kohlhaas (see the Nebraska LP fundraising scandal where Kohlhaas stole money and renegged on a contract – this is known as FRAUD) are being protected by the LNC. Sean Haugh tried to illegally burn 2,000 high validity ballot access petition singatures in Massachusetts, which IS a crime (just as ordering a hitman to kill somebody is a crime even if the murder does not end up happening). Sean Haugh was too much of a PUSSY to confront Gary Fincher (who is one of the BEST petitioners in the country and also a hardcore Libertarian activist) to his face, so he decided to try to burn up his signatures behind his back. You are a CRIMINAL Haugh, and you are DAMN lucky that the LNC “good-ole-boy” network is protecting you.

    Haugh has been a complete disaster as Political Director. He has been parasiting off of LP donors for years. He didn’t do jack shit with Candidate Tracker and was getting paid $1,200 per month. Go back and look at Candidate Tracker. Sometimes there were only 6 candidates on it yet Haugh was being paid $1,200 per month, that was $200 per candidate to “track” (which illustrates how freaking lazy he is). His “job” could have EASILY been done by a volunteer, or just completely eliminated since it was useless (just like Haugh). It was just an excuse to funnel money into Haugh’s pocket. He was a total loser of an Executive Director of the North Carolina LP. Compare Sean Haugh’s record to that of Wes Benidict who is Executive Director of the LP of Texas. Wes Benidict is FAR more competent than the IDIOT-LOSER Sean Haugh, and it shows in the results.

    Haugh doesn’t have the balls to debate me in person. Everytime I confront him at a convention he runs away like the little chickenshit weasel that he is. You are a COWARD, Haugh. You are also a LIAR and a scam artist and I’m going to do everything I can to expose you until your ass is run out of office. Parasites and idiot-losers like Haugh are holding this party back from being successful.

    Haugh is the main culprit behind the ballot access FAILURES this year. Notice how when Haugh comes on the scene the Libertarian Party ends up with the WORST ballot access in a Presidential year since David Bergland was the Presidential candidate in 1984. The LP is actually lucky that there weren’t any challenges to the petition signatures collected by the mercenaries (as in NON-Libertarians) that Haugh hired (most of whom are SCUMBAGS) because my sources in various state parties tell me that their validity was HORRIBLE and that they may not have survived if they got challenged (the challenge in PA was on candidate substution, NOT on the signatures themselves). 45 states Haugh, that’s PATHETIC, but it should be expected when a crybaby parasite IDIOT-LOSER like you gets put in a job that he is not competent or ehtical enough to perform.

    When Sean Haugh got hired to be Political Director there must have been an Affirmative Action program for lying idiot-loser worthless scumbags.

    There is only one thing that Sean Haugh is good at (besides being a liar and a total fuck up) and that’s being an ASS KISSER. Sean Haugh gave a Bill Clinton level performance when it came to being an ass kissing weasel at the LNC meeting in San Diego. The little speech that he gave after I brought up the petition burning scandal during the public comments sessions was nothing more than Bill Clinton style ass kissing fluff that was meant to create a distration from the petition burning and create sympathy for himself so he can keep his job.

    I get along just fine with almost everyone in the Libertarian Party (with the exception being the few people who have stabbed me in the back), and unlike you, I have a STELLAR track record which can be backed up, so don’t give us any bullshit about me. I’m not the problem. YOU are the problem, Haugh, and it is about damn time that you be exposed for the fraud that you are.

    I wouldn’t be suprised if this post gets taken down. I’ll debate Sean Haugh on these issues any time. Come on, Haugh, let’s expose to everyone in the party how you squandered their money and ordered an illegal act to be committed in Massachusetts. Your kiss ass bullshit routine is getting old.

  9. Vindex

    Andy,

    You’d be much more convincing if you didn’t write like a teenager in a fit of juvenile angst. Put down the Linkin Park CD, and try again.

  10. TheOriginalAndy

    “G.E. // Dec 10, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Haugh certainly deserves to be fired, but if he can take Redpath down with him, then I’ll forgive him for his transgressions.”

    I wouldn’t. Sean Haugh has fucked me over (even though I’d done NOTHING wrong) and he’s fucked over friends of mine who did not deserve to be fucked over, and he has shown NO REMORSE for this. Sean Haugh has also fucked over the entire Libertarian Party, too bad that many people in the party do not realize it.

    “It is REDPATH who is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING Haugh ever did, anyway.”

    Haugh stabbed me in the back and screwed me over when he was Executive Director of the LP of NC, that was years before Redpath became the Chairman of LP National (which happened in 2006). Haugh was a fuck up back then, and he was also a parasite during his years as Candidate Tracker.

  11. TheOriginalAndy

    “Vindex // Dec 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Andy,

    You’d be much more convincing if you didn’t write like a teenager in a fit of juvenile angst. Put down the Linkin Park CD, and try again.”

    I take it that you’ve never heard Sean Haugh through a tantrum. I have. Sean Haugh screams and throws out profanities and false accusations like a mentally ill child in a nursery.

  12. G.E.

    Susan – I didn’t know you didn’t believe in accountability. But I guess I’ve seen evidence of that a few times.

    Andy – Whatever. Let these shmucks take each other down.

  13. TheOriginalAndy

    “Much as I have been at loggerheads with Sean over petitioner related matters, IF his charges of a double standard are true – kudos to him for blowing the whistle.”

    Yet another double standards is one of the things that Haugh did to Gary Fincher, falsely accusing him of “sexual harrassment” and of having a “history of violence against women,” both of which are absurd.

    “Especially if he is not already on his way out and is risking/sacrificing his job to do it.”

    Hopefully the asshole is on his way out.

  14. TheOriginalAndy

    “Yet another double standards is one of the things that Haugh did to Gary Fincher, falsely accusing him of “sexual harrassment” and of having a “history of violence against women,” both of which are absurd.’

    Among other false charges that Haugh leveled at Gary.

  15. mdh

    This is another sad example of paid staff overstepping their bounds. Bill Redpath is a gentleman whom, I believe, has always tried to do the right thing.

    In this case, allowing this issue to be dealt with in full view of the membership was 100% the right decision and in that, I back him 100%. Had it been dealt with behind closed doors, without the opportunity for us to provide feedback to other LNC members about the situation, would have been a tragic mistake and one that would have likely cost the LP even more trust from its membership.

    What I see here is an attack by Sean Haugh against both an individual who has diligently served the LP as chair, despite being an imperfect human and capable of making mistakes, and against the very notion of transparency which many of us have been calling for more of from the LNC and the national party organization.

    I hope that you will all defend Chairman Redpath against this heinous assault, and also join the collaborative efforts underway to increase openness, responsiveness, and transparency at the national level.

  16. mdh

    We elected Bill Redpath. We never even got to vote on Haugh. I think we need to fix our hiring practices and fast.

  17. Michael Seebeck

    As I said before, there is a lot more to this story. How much more remains to be seen, but it’s heading into iceberg direction.

  18. G.E.

    Really? Haugh just hired himself?

    You’re right: the fools who voted for the cretinous gun-grabbing Redpath are to blame.

  19. mdh

    Whatever the elected members of the national committee choose to do with regard to the actions of a salaried staff member, I’m sure will be right. 🙂

  20. BrianHoltz

    Bylaws: “The Chair is the chief executive officer of the Party with full authority to direct its business and affairs, including hiring and discharging of National Committee volunteers and paid personnel, subject to express National Committee policies and directives issued in the
    exercise of the National Committee’s plenary control and management of Party affairs,
    properties and funds.”

  21. Joe Buchman

    It seems to me when one seeks out and/or agrees to serve on the LNC or as a staff member, one voluntarily gives up some free speech rights — namely that public speech that clearly damages the organization one has freely contracted to serve.

    Angela Keaton and Sean Haugh have clearly done that IMO. I’ll be glad to see them gone from the LNC and LP.

    Bill Redpath has not done that and I, for one, support his leadership of the party.

    I hope we’ve learned from the failures of the Barr/Root campaign and will move toward having long-term, articulate, pure Libertarians run for national office (of which Root may well prove to be one, or grow into one, while Barr is not capable of that, IMO), as well as build local and state party candidates.

    I believe Bill and most, if not all, of the current LNC are committed to that.

    If so, I’ll continue to support the party. If not, perhaps Angela and Sean can build something superior.

    But, while I called for Congress to pass legislation protecting whistle blowers in my campaign this past year, given their track records, which look like less whistle blowing and more bridge burning and intemperate, juvenile histrionics, I’d predict that even there, they’d be more likely to tear it apart from the inside out than actually build anything either lasting or useful.

    It’s something I’d be vigilant about were I to be involved in working with them to build any organization.

    That said, I both wish them well and at the same time offer my public support to Bill Redpath (a 30+ year personal friend), and to growing the LP into a party all non-violent, Liberty loving Americans can wholeheartedly support.

    Joe

  22. VirtualGalt

    What are the reporting relationships? Does the LNC have to approve all staffing decisions, or just the budget, leaving discretion to [Redpath][someone else]?

  23. VirtualGalt

    Thanks. So if the LNC says “so-and-so is out” then Redpath has to execute the decision?

  24. Michael Seebeck

    Mr. Buchman is in error in attacking the messengers in favor of his friends.

    No volunteer in the LP gives up their free speech rights, and no employee does unless they agree to in their employment contract. He also is in error that Keaton’s exercise of that free speech, an exercise which the Party purportedly supports, is “damaging” to the organization. By that extension, speaking anything at all about the wrongdoings in the goings-on of the Party is damaging, when in fact the wrongdoings themselves are the doing the damaging. Being quiet to get along just does not do!

    And I also feel he has little understanding or familiarity of the dedication of Keaton, Haugh, and a cast of others to the movement of liberty, and that his long friendship with the person with whom the buck stops in the operation of the Party may be clouding his own judgment.

  25. paulie cannoli Post author

    No volunteer in the LP gives up their free speech rights, and no employee does unless they agree to in their employment contract

    My understanding is that there is a policy against LP employees discussing party controversies on blogs.

    And I also feel he has little understanding or familiarity of the dedication of Keaton, Haugh, and a cast of others to the movement of liberty,

    Andy speaks truth about Haugh’s ballot access mismanagement, whatever you think of his inimitable style.

  26. hogarth

    He also is in error that Keaton’s exercise of that free speech, an exercise which the Party purportedly supports, is “damaging” to the organization. By that extension, speaking anything at all about the wrongdoings in the goings-on of the Party is damaging, when in fact the wrongdoings themselves are the doing the damaging. Being quiet to get along just does not do!

    Your ‘by that extension’ is not logical.

    I’m not sure why there seems to be this need by some folks to paint everything Angela said as some sort of heroic defense of liberty. Speaking of a staff member in terms such as “Nice staff piece of ass, Casey. Dark, young and easy prey for a cougar like myself,” is not what I’d call exposing the wrongdoings of the LNC. It’s *creating* one.

    I count myself as a friend of Angela. When she spoke up against bad things going on, I supported her. But I’m not going to participate in this rather weird sort of martyr-ization of her I see going on. She’s too strong a woman to be counted a martyr.

  27. Gary Fincher

    I put up a comment at Liberty For All, and it was taken down, due to its being critical of Haugh.

    It basically said, sarcastically, that “everyone is guilty of sexual harassment EXCEPT Sean Haugh” and went on to say, with more sarcasm, “Fine job, Sean…let’s see if Redpath protects your sorry, weasly, cowardly ass NOW”

  28. paulie cannoli Post author

    I put up a comment at Liberty For All, and it was taken down, due to its being critical of Haugh.

    Looks like Andy’s comment was taken down at “Liberty for All”

    I’m glad IPR has a more pro-free comment policy than Liberty for All.

  29. TheOriginalAndy

    “G.E. // Dec 10, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Andy – Don’t tell me you believe in the statist concept of ‘mental illness!’ That, AND libel??”

    GE, I suppose that I was being to0 polite by giving Sean Haugh the benifit of being mentally ill. I’ll take that back and replace it by saying that he’s just a scumbag and an asshole.

    I NEVER said that libel was a crime.

  30. JimDavidson

    @41 Writing on her twitter or on her blog is protected speech, it seems to me, Susan. You can argue that she should have had more sense than to make a playful comment in the midst of assorted fun at previous gatherings. I happen to think that sucking all the fun out of the LP is unlikely to get many more enthusiastic supporters, but you go whatever way you please.

    I think it is exceptionally weird to castigate Angela for saying things about people whose gender she isn’t interested in outside her wedding vows, in a fun fest free for all, when those people have not self-identified as victims. If any of the staff felt victimised by anything Angela said, they did not come forward with any complaint. No victim, no crime, no wrongdoing. It is perverse to ignore the complaints of these individuals who did not give Flood permission to identify them in his prosecution of supposed sexual harassment charges – charges with no merit because there was no victim. Indeed, Flood simply made those staff members into victims by putting their names on this complaint, contravening policy.

    Redpath is screwing over employees, paid petitioners, a member of the LNC, and proposing gun control measures in his campaign. I’m not really sure why he gets a free pass. He must be a really, really good used car salesman.

  31. TheOriginalAndy

    “I’m glad IPR has a more pro-free comment policy than Liberty for All.”

    My posts about Sean Haugh got taken down at Liberty for All as well. This isn’t suprising when you consider that Liberty for All is run by Sean Haugh’s buddy Lee Wrights who is an asshole in his on right.

    My problems with Lee Wrights all trace back to Sean Haugh (but of course this does not excuse Lee Wrights).

    When I was in North Carolina in 2001 I got along fine with Lee Wrights when we interacted in person. He even acted like he was my buddy the times that I interacted with him in person and thought that he was a good guy. My problem with him started after Sean Haugh (whom I had only spoken to on a handful of occassions on the phone) made some false accusations about me (which seems to be a pattern with him) and sreamed and cursed at me on the phone, didn’t give me a chance to respond, and then hung up on me. After this happened I called up Lee Wrights and as I was relaying the story with him with the hopes of working out an amicable solution I asked Lee Wrights if Sean Haugh’s crazy behavior was due to drug use. Lee Wrights then started screaming at me for daring to ask if Sean Haugh was on drugs and then he hung up on me. I was bummed out about this so I called Lee Wrights up a few hours later and by this time he was calmed down and we had a good conversation. I called him again a week later (this time from another state as I had left NC) and I had another good conversation with Lee Wrights. In fact, the last thing that he said to me was that he didn’t think that I had done anything wrong but that Sean Haugh was the Executive Director and he made an executive decision and there was nothing that he could do about it.

    Now fastforward to 2007 after I had been asked by Scott Kohlhaas (whom I had not yet had a falling out with), Bill Redpath, and Richard Winger (who had asked me several months before this) asked me to go work on the LP ballot access drive in NC. I called up their ballot access coordinator Bob Ritchie and started making arangements to go down. Bob Ritchie was then supposed to call me back within a day or two. I didn’t end up hearing from him for 2 weeks. When I finally spoke to him he said, “I regret to inform you that Sean Haugh urged Lee Wrights and the rest of the ballot access committe to vote to block you from working on the petition drive in North Carolina.” Needless to say, I was really pissed off about this, especially considering that I had turned down other work because I was waiting to go to North Carolina for the LP.

    Paul was in North Carolina by himself and working without a car. They were paying for Paul’s motel room but since he was by himself with no car he was struggling to get signatures. I told them that I had a car and that Paul could ride with me and that we’d split the motel, which would have generated more signatures for the room. This would have knocked the LP of NC drive out sooner and at a lower cost (the fact that this didn’t happen had a negative effect on ballot access in 2008). My initial reaction was to say “Fuck Sean Haugh and Lee Wrights!” and go down their anyway, however, I wanted to rub it in their faces that I was there so I figured that I’d call Bill Redpath (who wanted me to be there) and get him to “pull rank” on them since he’s the Chairman. Bill called up Sean Haugh and he actually got Haugh to back down. Then Bill called up Lee Wrights but Wrights was to stubborn and refused to back down, even for the Chairman, and even though most of the money for the drive came from LP National. Bill told me about this was ridiculous and that I should go down there anyway. Bill said that he’d call Wrights back to get him to back down, the only problem was that Bill then became extremely busy (I think that he had a death in the family) and another 2-3 weeks passed where he did not make the call and by that point I said the heck with North Carolina.

    I confronted Wrights about this at the National Convention in Denver. I went up to him real calm and friendly and at first I acted like I didn’t know that he had stabbed me in the back in 2007. Wrights reacted in a friendly manner at first, but his demeanor quickly changed when I asked him why he had trash talked me to Bill Redpath and why he voted to block me from working on the North Carolina ballot access drive (and they really could have used me there as that petition drive dragged on way longer than it should have and held up progress in other states). After this Wrights went ballistic and started yelling at me like a maniac. He then stormed off threatening to call the police and have me thrown out of the Convention, even after I informed him that I was a delegate that was supporting Mary Ruwart for whom he was working. Given that Wrights was so hostile I asked him if he wanted to step outside and settle our differences like men but he ran away and tried to get me thrown out of the Convention instead (even though he was the one who started yelling first).

    GE witnessed the end of my confrontation with Wrights and Wrights LIED to GE about it later claiming that he had been my “boss” (which he never was) and that he had to “fire” me (which did not happen) in North Carolina because I was “mouthing off” to people who would not sign the petition (which also did not happen; in facts, Wrights never even saw me work, nor did anyone else from the NC LP, furthermore, I always try to avoid arguements with the public because it cuts down the number of signatures that you get which means less money in my pocket). I already had a low opinion of Wrights but after I found out that he lied about me to GE my opinion of Wrights sunk to an even lower level.

    To hell with Sean Haugh and to hell with Lee Wrights!

  32. TheOriginalAndy

    hogarth: “I’m not sure why there seems to be this need by some folks to paint everything Angela said as some sort of heroic defense of liberty.”

    Agreed. It makes me want to puke.

  33. TheOriginalAndy

    “Redpath is screwing over employees, paid petitioners, a member of the LNC, and proposing gun control measures in his campaign. I’m not really sure why he gets a free pass.”

    I suppose that one could argue that Redpath is indirectly screwing over some paid petitioners by keeping Sean Haugh and Scott Kohlhaas on staff, but in all fairness Redpath himself has never directly screwed over any petitioners. In fact, if it wasn’t for Redpath, Mark and I would have gotten ripped off by Sean Haugh in Pennsylvania. Redpath ordered Scott Kohlhaas to pay us when we got ripped off in Nebraska. Kohlhaas renegged on this even after Redpath ordered him to pay us, and then Redpath ended up kicking in $1,000 out of his own pocket to pay us at that round-the-room fundraiser at the LNC meeting in Pittsburg so we could finally get paid.

  34. paulie cannoli Post author

    I have to say in all honesty, Bill Redpath was the best national LP ballot access director I have ever worked with, and Ron Crickenberger (RIP) was also usually reasonable. Trying to work with Sean Haugh and Scott Kohlhaas this year was a nightmare by comparison.

    It was most unfortunate that with Bill as chair, he had to delegate ballot access, and he chose so poorly in who to delegate it to. I understand why he had to delegate it, and why he no longer had time to micromanage petition drives himself while serving as chair. It did disappoint me to see him stand by Sean and Scott after we made him aware of some of the things they were up to.

    Bill was a great ballot access coordinator, a job he did as a volunteer, and as far as I know he was a competent treasurer for the party as well.
    I must say I have been disappointed with Bill as chair. The effect of electing a champion of ballot access as chair was that he no longer has had time for ballot access, which has suffered as a result.

  35. TheOriginalAndy

    “It was most unfortunate that with Bill as chair, he had to delegate ballot access, and he chose so poorly in who to delegate it to. I understand why he had to delegate it, and why he no longer had time to micromanage petition drives himself while serving as chair.”

    Bill didn’t really micromanage the petition drives when he acted as volunteer National Ballot Access Coordinator. Bill did do some refering of petitioners to states, but once they were there the petitioners pretty much just dealt with the state parties.

    There was absolutely no need for Sean Haugh to be in charge of ballot access, and for ballot access drives to be micromanaged out of LP National as if it were the Kremlin in the former Soviet Union. The money could have been sent to the state parties and the state parties could have handled most of it.

    “It did disappoint me to see him stand by Sean and Scott after we made him aware of some of the things they were up to.”

    Yes, this was quite disappointing, especially after he was warned and was made aware of repeated misconduct from Haugh and Kohlhaas.

    “Bill was a great ballot access coordinator, a job he did as a volunteer,”

    Yes, ballot access was MUCH better when Bill Redpath was the National Ballot Access Coordinator as a volunteer.

    Bill has also done a lot of volunteer petition signature gathering which is something that many people won’t do.

    LP ballot access was a much more pleasant expierence before Haugh the Horrible became the Political Director.

  36. songster7

    Having been a friend and colleague of both Sean and Lee for many years, and having served with both of them on the LNC (and as a fellow editor at RRND with Lee — dating back to its prior incarnation, before we started the danged thing goin’ on six years ago!) … I can only shake my head at the scurrilous attempts by this Andy person to vilify their names. Both are good men, and good libertarians, and have proven this countless times taking on thankless tasks along the way, whenever the need arose.

    And as for Sean making a grand total of $1200 a month for his efforts as an LP staffer, what planet do YOU come from? That’s $300 a week (just over current minimum-wage hourly), for a executive-level management job, with a corporation with an alleged million dollar (and then some) annual budget! WHAT is wrong with that? Sure beats the $75-100K bullshit that used to pertain for such a gig at LPHQ!

  37. paulie cannoli Post author

    Steve, you’ve met Andy – he was with me in Tennessee. I guess you don’t know the other side of Sean. I was around for much of what Andy says, and it is true. I’ve never known Andy to lie about anything, and I’ve traveled with him all over the country. He can be very exasperating (so can I) but he is scrupulously honest and hard working, and brought me back from the dark side. He has helped me out many, many times.

    The reference to Sean’s salary was not for his current job, but for the “candidate tracker” contract position which he had previously. Some people questioned whether he was really doing the amount of work to justify that kind of money:

    http://smallgov.org/index.php?s=haugh&submit=Search

  38. JimDavidson

    @40 That policy, if it exists (and a copy of the policy manual would be a coup for the Sunshine Caucus) clearly violates the LP party platform. It is bizarre to talk about a party of principle which is so thoroughly hypocritical.

  39. Thomas M. Sipos

    Susan: “She’s too strong a woman to be counted a martyr.”

    I’m not sure “martyr” is the word you’re seeking. The original Christian martyrs were very strong. They could have escaped torture and death, but accepted it rather than renounce their faith. That took strength.

  40. paulie cannoli Post author

    @40 That policy, if it exists (and a copy of the policy manual would be a coup for the Sunshine Caucus) clearly violates the LP party platform.

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/report-haugh-wastes-more-lp-donors-money/

    “Update: Sean Haugh is unable to speak in his own defense since, as an LPHQ employee, he’s forbidden to post on blogs. An unlikely source of support, however, comes from frequent LPHQ critic, Angela Keaton:”

  41. JimDavidson

    @41 I don’t believe in collective guilt, Susan. What Angela wrote did not create a wrongdoing by the entire LNC. What she wrote on her personal blog and twitter feed were her thoughts and feelings. I believe she has a right to think and feel, make jokes, be her own kinky self. I think your party has a big hypocrisy problem in that it clearly calls for freedom of expression in platform 1.1, but it attacks Angela for free expression. I don’t agree with Angela’s choice in writing those things, but I feel strongly she should be defended by libertarians of conscience because if we deny her the freedom to say silly weird things in deference to some neo-Victorian standard of conduct, then what good is the LP doing? Sucking the fun out of the liberty movement?

    The LP platform also has 1.2 on victimless crimes. You have not established that any of the persons named by Angela were offended, or felt they were facing a hostile work environment. Again, the hypocrisy of the LP is showing.

  42. Steven Druckenmiller

    Libertarianism is solely a viewpoint on what the relationship of the government should be to the governed.

    The LP is a private organization and does not have to be libertine to be consistent with libertarianism. The LP, as a private organization, is more than free to make rules that limit the speech of its members and is free to punish whatever it wants to punish.

  43. JimDavidson

    The LP as a group is promoting a platform. If it doesn’t want to conduct its affairs in an open and transparent manner that is consistent with the platform it wants to impose on the country, then it is not an appropriate political party for a free people to trust with governing them.

    @32 Mr. Buchman asserts contractual obligations without getting a contract from the LNC members that specifies these obligations. Unless there is consent, including sufficient information about the agreement to inform consent, there is no contract. For Mr. Buchman to assert that he knows what is best for the LP in the conduct of every employee and every member of its governing body is interesting. But it remains an unproven assertion.

    @59 Being libertine is its own reward. Lighten up, have a drink, get laid. You’re very tense.

    The LP as a private organisation is free to make rules, but it ought to make them explicitly. It also ought to apply them impartially. A witch hunt is silly.

    And, again, if the LP makes rules for the government that it isn’t willing to have for itself, such as its rules on free expression and victimless “crimes” then it is hypocritical. Americans have an ages old ability to detect hypocrisy, very thoroughly documented as early as 1765.

    A political party that conducts its critical operations in secret, attacks members of its own governing body for choices in free expression, prosecutes a witch hunt for victimless mala prohibitum non-crimes, and has so little support from its members that it is nearly, if not actually, bankrupt is NOT fit to govern a free people.

    The LP as it currently exists is not fit to govern the people of these united States. Evidently the American people have enough sense to avoid being governed by very many LP nominees.

  44. Steven Druckenmiller

    @59 Being libertine is its own reward. Lighten up, have a drink, get laid. You’re very tense.

    No, I’m not. Well, I am, but that is because it’s exam time. Trust me when I tell you my friend would laugh their asses off if you said this to me in front of them.

    And, again, if the LP makes rules for the government that it isn’t willing to have for itself, such as its rules on free expression and victimless “crimes” then it is hypocritical.

    No, it is not. The Party is private; it’s free to run itself as it pleases, and frankly speaking, if it’s going to be a political party, then there does need to be some party discipline.

    What if a member of the LNC went on national television and said “Yo, fuck a libertarianism!”? I would support throwing that person out of the party, even if it’s their god-given* right to say what they want.

    The LP does not have to be libertine or even follow the rules it wants the government to follow.

  45. Gary Fincher

    paulie: “I have to say in all honesty, Bill Redpath was the best national LP ballot access director I have ever worked with, and Ron Crickenberger (RIP) was also usually reasonable. Trying to work with Sean Haugh and Scott Kohlhaas this year was a nightmare by comparison.”

    I didn’t think Ron Crickenberger was reasonable, but up against Sean Haugh, he comes out looking like Ghandi.

    I would say that Redpath was the best ballot access coordinator to work with. The one time I felt he was unfair was over Nebraska ’06, one that he wasn’t involved in coordinating. And I’m disappointed in him for not firing Sean Haugh and Robert Kraus, when they committed a crime. But he was good at what he did when he did it.

    I’m a little perplexed, though, because I personally saw Redpath completely freak out over the loss of ONE state (NH ’04) while totally take the bungling of FIVE states like ‘water off a duck’s back’ – just because it was Haugh and not Babiarz?

  46. Gary Fincher

    Andy: “Bill didn’t really micromanage the petition drives when he acted as volunteer National Ballot Access Coordinator. Bill did do some refering of petitioners to states, but once they were there the petitioners pretty much just dealt with the state parties.”

    No, I was consulting with him on an almost-daily basis while petitioning in Illinois, Maine, Connecticut and New Hampshire.

  47. Gary Fincher

    songster7: “… I can only shake my head at the scurrilous attempts by this Andy person to vilify their names. Both are good men, and good libertarians, and have proven this countless times taking on thankless tasks along the way, whenever the need arose.”

    Whoaaa….now wait a minute here.

    Songster7, Andy never tried to “vilify their names”. It’s the other way around. In fact, had Lee and Sean indeed been “good men”, you would not be reading anything negative about Lee and Sean at all on these pages.

    Now I’ve never met Lee or had any personal experience with him, but Andy has, and I trust him (I’ve never known him to lie) when he reports to me that Lee played totally dirty and sleazy tactics with him and lied, cheated and [what amounted to] stole from him.

    Sean, on the other hand, I *do* have personal experience with, and none of it is good, nor does ANY of it substantiate what you say about him being a “good person”. From what I know about him, that is laughable.

    The reason I say this, is that from Day One this man has been so despicable as to VILIFY US – and with me, it’s all been behind my back, as he refuses to talk to me when I ask him directly why he has a problem with me. How do you spell c-o-w-a-r-d, Songster7?

    So why aren’t you shaking your head at Lee & Sean, instead of at Andy? Who’s doing the “vilifying”?

  48. Gary Fincher

    This just in: I posted a couple of comments at LibertyForAll, and they were both taken down. On one of them, I noted that Sean was a coward (that’s what you call someone where I come from who will trash you behind your back to no end, but will flat refuse to talk to you when you confront them about their gossiping).

    I’m not going to waste my time posting any more up there, but I posted one last one, which reads:

    Well, I guess this latest action with my posts certainly drives home the “coward” part of what I was saying, doesn’t it, Sean? LOL LMAO.

    What…is the baby afraid of a wittle-bitty negative paragraph? Awww, baby might get hurt by the Big Bad Words! Now here’s a Kleenex – wipe away those tears and go ahead and take THIS one down too LOL.

  49. JimDavidson

    @61 Sure, it doesn’t have to do anything. It could have a feeding frenzy at every LNC meeting, engage in rape and cannibalism, and crucify one or two victims on inverted crosses, as a purely private, consensual activity. Perhaps following in the footsteps of Skull and Bones. It could conceivably do anything.

    What do you think the effects of a do-nothing strategy would be? I suspect that an LNC and LP HQ that actually did do nothing but, say, distribute money to the state parties, would receive more support than the current LP. Anyway, it might be worth a try.

    What do you think the effects of the current strategy of pogrom against anarchists in the party is likely to be?

    A free people deserve to be represented by a government to which they consent. Their consent should be meaningful, so government should be open and transparent, not secretive and corrupt.

    If you want to try convincing people that the secretive and corrupt LP can form a government that is open and transparent, go right ahead. I know better than to push that rock up hill any further.

    There are clearly reasons for the following factoids:

    1. About 100,000 people have ever signed the pledge, and about 16,000 or so currently pay dues to the LP.

    2. The LP has previously had 50 state ballot access, and currently does not.

    3. The LP currently has a budget deficit.

    4. The LP revenues seem to be falling.

    One possible explanation for some of these matters is that the LP has nominated a Dixiecrat racist war monger for president this year, and did not get the kind of response that the neo-conservative Republicans running its insider clique expected. People are not joining the LP in tens of thousands. Snubgate didn’t help.

    A pogrom against anarchists in the party is likely to reduce contributions and remove activists. Can the LP afford this move? You appear fully committed to it. Redpath seems fully committed to the pogrom.

    I think Richard Winger might try to argue that all the states where the LP failed to obtain ballot access were unfair. I think that’s a reasonable case for Oklahoma or West Virginia, but North Carolina was also a very tough state this year, and the LP activists (quite a few of them with anarchist or panarchist or autarkist self-identification) did the work and got on the ballot. I think Louisiana was an inexcusable failure. So, the LP has incompetent management at least of its ballot access work, and very likely in other parts.

    I wonder if the pogrom against anarchists and the witch hunt against Angela was worth the time and effort, the alienation of many people, and the diversion of important resources to cleaning up the LP and providing Sunshine where it is badly needed. (I don’t begrudge the activists who feel obligated to do this Sunshine work. I do begrudge the LP its unwillingness to be open and transparent.)

    I don’t think hypocrisy sells. You seem to think that hypocrisy sells. I think the LP ought to behave consistently with the principles it is seeking to promote. You do not.

    What would you think of General Motors if all of its executives drove BMWs to work? Would you buy a GM car in that case?

    What would you think of Citigroup if you learned that its senior executives were selling their stock positions? Would you buy Citigroup stock?

    My answer would be not to buy a GM car, and not to buy Citigroup’s stock. Since the LNC and LP HQ don’t seem to be consuming the platform they are selling, I find it bizarre to suppose that the platform is going to sell well.

  50. Thomas L. Knapp

    Quoth Gary Fincher:

    “Who’s doing the ‘vilifying?'”

    So far as I can tell, Andy Jacob and Gary Fincher.

    I’ve worked with R. Lee Wrights on a daily basis for about eight years now, and I don’t ever recall hearing so much as a single mention of either Andy or Gary by him, in public or in private.

    I’ve known Sean Haugh for at least six years, and much, if not most, of that time I’d characterize our contacts as negative … but, once again, I don’t recall ever once hearing him mention, let alone “vilify,” either of the two “we’re always right, anyone who disagrees with us in any particular on any subject is a fool, a knave, a criminal, and the the veritable Spawn of Satan” clowns.

  51. Gary Fincher

    Knapp: ““Who’s doing the ‘vilifying?’”

    So far as I can tell, Andy Jacob and Gary Fincher.”

    Well, that can only because either

    1) Knapp doesn’t know how to actually READ (my post actually confirmed how it was Haugh who first did the vilifying, and lots of it);

    or

    2) Knapp thinks that if a tree falls in the forest and he doesn’t see it, it must not have fallen (no matter HOW many other people have seen it fall – got that ‘he’s-the-center-of-the-universe phenomenon’)

    I hate to be blunt, but Knapp has got to be one to the STUPIDEST people I’ve ever – ever – seen in print. (And I’ve seen a lot of stupid people! lol)

  52. Gary Fincher

    Oh…and I supppose Haugh’s “Massachusetts Burning” email rant was a high compliment, not vilifying. Geez.

  53. hogarth

    I’m not sure “martyr” is the word you’re seeking. The original Christian martyrs were very strong. They could have escaped torture and death, but accepted it rather than renounce their faith. That took strength.

    Yes, you’re right. I expected someone literate to call me on that 🙂 And here you are!

  54. hogarth

    I feel strongly she should be defended by libertarians of conscience because if we deny her the freedom to say silly weird things…

    I’ve never suggested she (or anyone) be denied such a right.

  55. hogarth

    I think Richard Winger might try to argue that all the states where the LP failed to obtain ballot access were unfair. I think that’s a reasonable case for Oklahoma or West Virginia, but North Carolina was also a very tough state this year, and the LP activists (quite a few of them with anarchist or panarchist or autarkist self-identification) did the work and got on the ballot.

    It took us several years and could NOT have been accomplished without money from National.

  56. Gene Trosper

    Regarding Susan’s comment about NC’s ballot acces not happening of it weren’t for money from National:

    I heard R. Lee Wrights speak about ballot access at last weekend’s LNC meeting and I could not agree more with his statement that ballot access MUST be top priority for National.

  57. Thomas L. Knapp

    Gary,

    I’ve heard of the Haugh email — from you and from Andy. I don’t dispute its existence, but I’ve never heard of it from Haugh.

    Neither do I dispute that Haugh can and does vilify (he’s vilified me before, at least privately).

    All I ever hear from you or Andy is vilification. Some of it is in large doses (vs. Keaton, Haugh, et. al), some of it in smaller doses (vs. anyone else who hints that your shit just might possibly stink, or that maybe you don’t walk on water, or that it’s possible that you’ve ever been incorrect in any particular on any matter).

  58. Steven Druckenmiller

    The Troll –

    I never said hypocrisy sells or that the LP should keep doing what it is doing, did I? Can you quote me?

    My entire argument is that it is not hypocrisy for the LP to have internal rules that seem to “contradict” its stance toward government, because the LP is not the government.

    Is that so hard? The LP thinks prostitution should be legal; there does not have to be a prostitute on the LNC.

    The LP thinks speech should be free: the LP does not have to allow any and all speech at any time at any place.

  59. Joe Buchman

    @39

    “Mr. Buchman is in error in attacking the messengers in favor of his friends. No volunteer in the LP gives up their free speech rights, and no employee does unless they agree to in their employment contract. He also is in error that Keaton’s exercise of that free speech, an exercise which the Party purportedly supports, is “damaging” to the organization. ”

    Ms. Keaton engaged in a wide range of speech; I agree that not all criticism of the LNC is damaging to it; Much is, or can be, healthy and growth producing.

    Clearly Haugh’s sexism rant, and some portions of Ms. Keaton recent speech are contrary to that. That is the portion of their recent speech which (I believe it should be obvious) I was discussing.

    I’m clear that there are no prior contracts limiting such speech, but I am likewise clear that a member of the legally liable management body of any organization who engages in such speech/activity has, in effect, by their own words resigned from it.

    To be clear, there’s a distinction between criticism and speech/actions which damage the organization (and one measure of that is saying or doing things which could result in liability for the organization).

    In my opinion that’s what we have here, my self-disclosed, long-term friendship with Bill Redpath notwithstanding.

    Joe

    Joseph G. Buchman, PhD (Indiana University 1989); Libertarian Candidate for the US Congress, 2008. 2008-2009 Utah State Libertarian Party Secretary.

    (In addition to holding an earned PhD, and having a preference for the title associated with that over mister — I’m also a Kentucky Colonel.)

    Perhaps I’ll start going by Colonel Buchman here.

    🙂

  60. Gary Fincher

    Gene Trosper on July 2: “Go Sean Haugh! I see no moral issue with burning papers issues by the state. Hell, I did that with my Selective Service card when I was 19.”

    Gene Trosper on Dec 11: “I heard R. Lee Wrights speak about ballot access at last weekend’s LNC meeting and I could not agree more with his statement that ballot access MUST be top priority for National.”

    Fail.

  61. Michael Seebeck

    It’s not “martyrdom” in the slightest, Susan. It an opinion based on an exposure to more facts than are made available here and I am not at much liberty to disclose at the request of some of the persons involved. It may appear to be such to others, but I don’t necessarily condone everything Angela did either, but even that does not diminish her contributions, all efforts by the Clueless Coalition (and they know who they are!) notwithstanding.

    As I said, this is iceberg territory.

  62. TheOriginalAndy

    “Thomas L. Knapp // Dec 11, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Gary,

    I’ve heard of the Haugh email — from you and from Andy. I don’t dispute its existence, but I’ve never heard of it from Haugh.”

    Haugh said that he sent the e-mail to me at the LNC meeting in Denver. He expressed no remorse about it either. Haugh also verbally ordered Carol McMahon of the Massachusetts LP to burn the 2,000 signatures that were collected by Gary during a phone conversation. Paul was with Carol McMahon when this conversation took place. Haugh also repeated the order to burn signatures collected by Gary to George Phillies.

  63. TheOriginalAndy

    “songster7 // Dec 11, 2008 at 1:23 am

    Having been a friend and colleague of both Sean and Lee for many years, and having served with both of them on the LNC (and as a fellow editor at RRND with Lee — dating back to its prior incarnation, before we started the danged thing goin’ on six years ago!) … I can only shake my head at the scurrilous attempts by this Andy person to vilify their names. Both are good men, and good libertarians, and have proven this countless times taking on thankless tasks along the way, whenever the need arose.”

    You’ve obviously never seen the other side of their personalities. This isn’t suprising because Sean Haugh is a master ass kisser (which is the only thing that he’s good at and the only reason that he has a job). Sean Haugh is a totally different person when he’s around people who he doesn’t think are important (such as petitioners).

    Lee Wrights is a hothead. I’ve seen him at two LNC meetings and both times I saw him have to leave the room or more than one occassion because he was about to explode. Wrights can act like a nice guy, but if the slightest little thing doesn’t go his way or irks him in any way he throws a temper tantrum.

    Sean called me up at around 8 AM screaming and cursing and making false accusations like a raving lunatic and then did not give me a chance to respond and hung up on me. I relayed the story to Wrights and Wrights was calm at first, but then I asked Wrights is Haugh’s crazy behavior had anything to do with drug use and then Wrights went ballistic and started screaming and yelling like a maniac and then hung up on me. Does this sound like a rational, decent person?

  64. TheOriginalAndy

    Gene Trosper on Dec 11: “I heard R. Lee Wrights speak about ballot access at last weekend’s LNC meeting and I could not agree more with his statement that ballot access MUST be top priority for National”

    The ironic thing about this statement is that Lee Wrights (and Sean Haugh) both actually IMPEDED ballot access in their own state of North Carolina. Due to the two of them behaving like jackasses, the LP ballot access drive in North Carolina dragged on WAY longer than in should have and also cost more than it should have. The actions of Haugh and Wrights in North Carolina slowed up ballot access in other states and helped to contribute to the ballot access failures that occurred in 2008.

  65. TheOriginalAndy

    “Now I’ve never met Lee or had any personal experience with him, but Andy has, and I trust him (I’ve never known him to lie) when he reports to me that Lee played totally dirty and sleazy tactics with him and lied, cheated and [what amounted to] stole from him.”

    Gary never actually spoke to Lee Wrights, but he was standing near me when I confronted Lee Wrights at the National Convention in Denver. I appraoched Lee in a calm manner and acted like I didn’t know that he had stabbed me in the back and trash talked me to Bill Redpath. When I brought this up in conversation Lee Wrights demeanor changed and he went into total asshole mode and started yelling like a maniac and then ran away while threatening to have me thrown out of the convention. If Lee Wrights had been a decent person he COULD HAVE apologized for his backstabbing behavior, but instead he started screaming (and he clearly started screaming first) and acted like a total jackass.

  66. TheOriginalAndy

    Tom Knapp said: “So far as I can tell, Andy Jacob and Gary Fincher.

    I’ve worked with R. Lee Wrights on a daily basis for about eight years now, and I don’t ever recall hearing so much as a single mention of either Andy or Gary by him, in public or in private.”

    Lee Wrights has never spoken to Gary.

    As for me, Wrights trahsed talked me to Bill Redpath after Sean Haugh had urged the ballot access committee in North Carolina (of which Lee Wrights was a member) to vote to block me from working on the ballot access petition drive in North Carolina. This happened around February or March of 2007. Prior to this, the last two conversation that I had with Lee Wrights (which happened in February of 2001) he acted like he was on my side. The fact that he would say one thing to me and then do the opposite behind my back shows him to be a two-faced backstabbing weasel.

    “I’ve known Sean Haugh for at least six years, and much, if not most, of that time I’d characterize our contacts as negative …”

    Tom, regarless of what you think of Gary and I, it would be in YOUR BEST INTEREST if Sean Haugh was fired. Not only would it be in your best interest, it would also be in the best interest in the party as a whole.

    “but, once again, I don’t recall ever once hearing him mention, let alone ‘vilify,’ either of the two”

    That’s probably because you aren’t involved with ballot access. I’ve heard from several sources about Sean Haugh trash talking me behind my back.

  67. TheOriginalAndy

    “No, I was consulting with him on an almost-daily basis while petitioning in Illinois, Maine, Connecticut and New Hampshire.”

    I worked LP ballot access in 2004 in Texas, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Washington DC, and Kentucky. Most of my communication with Bill Redpath was before Texas and in between the other ones, I spoke to him very little, or in some cases, not at all, while actually working on those petition drives.

  68. JimDavidson

    @68 Other than a rather impulsive young adult choice to become a Marine, I know of nothing in Tom’s curriculum vitae that suggests stupidity. He is bright, witty, and erudite. His writing is widely read by International Society for Individual Liberty activists around the world. Calling him stupid is very silly.

    Not satisfied with the Silly Party, he has formed the Very Silly Party.

    Here are the vote totals from Harpenden:
    * Mr Elsie ZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzOOP (SILLY) – 26,317

    * James Walker (SENSIBLE) – 26,318

    * Malcolm Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (sound effect of horse whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeaker) Featherstone Smith (blows whistle) Northgot Edwards Harris (fires pistol, then ‘whoop’) Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat Gilbert (sings) ‘We’ll keep a welcome in the’ (three shots, stops singing) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeaker) Tiger-drawers Pratt Thompson (sings) ‘Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head’ Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat ‘Don’t Sleep In The Subway’ Barton Mainwaring (hoot, ‘whoop’) Smith (VERY SILLY) – 2

  69. Steven Druckenmiller

    I wonder when The Troll and G.E. are going to start calling Tom Knapp a bottom-feeder, baby-killing welfare leech.

    Troll – you do realize that Tom is a war vet, right? That should be enough for you to call him a rapist-murderer.

  70. paulie cannoli Post author

    Tom, regarless of what you think of Gary and I, it would be in YOUR BEST INTEREST if Sean Haugh was fired. Not only would it be in your best interest, it would also be in the best interest in the party as a whole.

    Maybe, maybe not. It depends on who gets the job after him, if anyone. He is truly made of teflon since he hasn’t been fired yet, unless it just hasn’t been made public.

  71. paulie cannoli Post author

    I’ve heard of the Haugh email — from you and from Andy.

    > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:03:09 -0400
    > Subject: Re: Question about Alabama
    > From: sean.haugh@lp.org
    > To: markpickens@hotmail.com
    > CC: scott@draftresitance.org; robert.kraus@lp.org
    >
    > Mark, I just received evidence that Gary Fincher is working in
    > Massachusetts on our drive through you. I have told you before that this
    > is completely unacceptable. I am now going to call the LPMA and instruct
    > them to burn (quite literally) any signatures collected by Gary, whether
    > they paid for them or not. I had warned them too.
    >
    > Since it’s obvious that I can’t trust you to keep Fincher away from our
    > petitions, I cannot work with you any longer. I’ll figure out some other
    > way to keep Paul. This decision is final, and frankly I’m very
    > disappointed.
    >
    > yours in liberty –
    > Sean
    >
    > On Wed, June 25, 2008 6:50 pm, Mark Pickens wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Hey Sean,
    > >
    > > Since I’m no
    > > longer splitting expenses with Andy, I want to coordinate with Paul so we
    > > start
    > > working Alabama simultaneously. I’m
    > > still visiting family in Colorado while waiting for the Pennsylvania check
    > > to
    > > arrive. I need to stay here until it
    > > clears, then pay Andy (so he can wear out someone else, for a change).
    > >
    > > Are any
    > > Alabama-related expenses being reimbursed?
    > > (Whatever we work out is strictly between us and has nothing to do with
    > > Bill Redpath. I just want to do the job
    > > and skip the drama.)
    > >
    > > Mark
    > >

  72. JimDavidson

    @75 I asked you whether you thought it should. You seem to assume that you know what I’m thinking when I ask questions. You really don’t.

  73. JimDavidson

    @75 Evidently you think the LNC should behave in a manner that is consistently contrary to the LP platform. I do not.

    There is a concept of leading by example. The LNC appears to be more of the “do what I say, now what I do” school.

    Yes, I say that’s hypocrisy. You say it isn’t. You’re wrong.

  74. TheOriginalAndy

    “paulie cannoli // Dec 11, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Tom, regarless of what you think of Gary and I, it would be in YOUR BEST INTEREST if Sean Haugh was fired. Not only would it be in your best interest, it would also be in the best interest in the party as a whole.

    Maybe, maybe not. It depends on who gets the job after him, if anyone. He is truly made of teflon since he hasn’t been fired yet, unless it just hasn’t been made public.”

    Oh come on, this is the same weak arguement used by Democrats who didn’t want Bill Clinton to get impeached and who didn’t want California Governor Grey Davis to be recalled, and also by Republicans who didn’t want to Bush regime to be impeached.

    Sean Haugh DESERVES to be fired and what happens to his job after that is irrelavent to this.

  75. Gene Trosper

    @91

    I absolutely agree that the LNC should lead by example. I’ll do you one more: the LNC should also INSPIRE Libertarians to action.

    Fundraising is good, but equally important is street-level activism and manning the barricades for liberty.

    With that in mind, I am giving serious consideration to seeking a spot on the LNC in 2010.

  76. TheOriginalAndy

    Gary said: “And I’m disappointed in him for not firing Sean Haugh and Robert Kraus, when they committed a crime”

    You should have added Scott Kohlhaas to that list of people that you are disappointed that Bill Redpath has not fired for committing crimes.

  77. TheOriginalAndy

    “paulie cannoli // Dec 11, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Shane Cory resigned as ED. Has the problem at HQ been solved?”

    It solved part of the problem, and it would have been better if more people had gone with and if Shane had not ended up as the Deputy Campaign Manager for Bob Barr.

  78. TheOriginalAndy

    Gene Trosper said: “Fundraising is good, but equally important is street-level activism and manning the barricades for liberty.”

    A good level of street activism was killed for the Libertarian Party this year due to all of the screwing over of the few REAL Libertarian petitioners that happened.

  79. TheOriginalAndy

    “It took us several years and could NOT have been accomplished without money from National.”

    The LP ballot drive in North Carolina COULD HAVE been finished sooner than it was. A big part of the reason why it dragged on for so long was because Sean Haugh and Lee Wrights prevented some of the best qualified petitioners from working on it. Haugh wanted to hand the bulk of the work to his favorite mercenary (as in non-libertarian) petitioner.

    As I indicated above, the fact that the LP ballot access drive in North Carolina dragged on for way longer than it should have had a detrimental effect on ballot access drives in other states for this election.

  80. Steven Druckenmiller

    Nice dodge, Troll. Have you called Mr. Knapp a rapist and baby-killer yet, or are you going to hold onto that hypocrisy you are so blatantly displaying?

  81. JimDavidson

    @94 Gene, sounds great. Good luck and all that stuff. Check out the Sunshine Caucus. They seem to be doing important work in the “lead by example” thing.

  82. TheOriginalAndy

    songster7 said: “And as for Sean making a grand total of $1200 a month for his efforts as an LP staffer, what planet do YOU come from? That’s $300 a week (just over current minimum-wage hourly), for a executive-level management job, with a corporation with an alleged million dollar (and then some) annual budget! WHAT is wrong with that? Sure beats the $75-100K bullshit that used to pertain for such a gig at LPHQ!”

    Oh geez, I was NOT talking about Sean Haugh’s salary as Political Director (which is far more than that amount. I was talking about what Sean did for a few years BEFORE he became the Political Director. This was also AFTER he was the Executive Director of the LP of NC (a job which ended because Haugh was so ineffective at growing the NC LP that they could no longer afford to pay him).

    For a few years Sean Haugh got paid $1,200 per month to run Candidate Tracker on the LP National website. Here’s more info…

    http://www.smallgov.org/?p=422

    Marketing Small Government is better than compromising it. Compromise is a last resort, not a strategy.Mon 9 Jul 2007
    Candidate Tracker Budget: Real or Payola?
    Posted by Greg Dirasian under News and Events

    If you take the time to read the Libertarian National Committee’s FEC report, you will note that they pay Cory Stern $600/month to maintain the web site. Given the size and complexity of the web site (and comparing it to the outlandish fees Shane Cory charged when he was doing the job), $600/month sounds like a bargain.

    For a subset of the web site, the portion known as “Candidate Tracker,” you may note that the LNC pays Sean Haugh $1,200 per month. I’m not quite sure how much candidate tracking Haugh actually does–the “About Candidate Tracker” page says:

    Also remember, we can’t include data from your race if you don’t tell us about it! Please contact LPHQ at 1-800-ELECT-US or send an e-mail through the LP Support Center.

    And there are only six (6) candidates listed in “Candidate Tracker.” Really? It costs us $200/month to track what each candidate is doing? And they only get tracked if they send an email or make a phone call.

    C’mon. I was born on a Saturday, but it wasn’t last Saturday. What is Sean Haugh really getting paid to do? Once again, I am forced to ask, is it just stupidity running the Libertarian Party or is there something unethical going on?

    5 Responses to “Candidate Tracker Budget: Real or Payola?”
    Administrator Says:
    July 11th, 2007 at 7:39 am
    A few hours after I posted this, another candidate was added to candidate tracker (see http://lpinscr.blogspot.com/2007/07/susan-bell-on-candidate-tracker.html). Coincidence or a scramble to justify the existence of a program that is wasting money?

    ken Says:
    August 4th, 2007 at 2:29 am
    Keep at it.

    If LNC had any interest in getting people in office, they would set numeric goals.They’ve consistently refused.

    Gary Says:
    June 6th, 2008 at 8:44 am
    “Once again, I am forced to ask, is it just stupidity running the Libertarian Party or is there something unethical going on?”

    I would bet the bank that the answer is something unethical going on, as Sean Haugh has proven over and over again that he has no scruples and it’s all about getting money for him. He said he already plans to sabotage ballot access by purposely failing the LP in a handful of states. I actually have proof of this.

    ————————————————————

    Gary’s comment at the end sure hit the nail on the head.

    Sean Haugh has had the luxury of working for the Libertarian Party out of his house for the past 10 years. First as Executive Director of the North Carolina LP, then as Candidate Tracker, and then as Political Director (and he is the first Political Director to ever have been given the luxury of doing this). Every job he’s done in the party he’s been ineffective at, yet he’s been on the payroll leeching off of the donors for years.

  83. Gene Trosper

    @77

    I stand by both remarks, Gary.

    On PRINCIPLE, I have ZERO issues with burning papers issued by the state (yes, even FRNs) which represent oppression and state power over the individual. However, on a practical, real-world level, we know that such things aren’t feasible.

    We shouldn’t even HAVE to jump through ballot access hoops erected by the state (hoops designed to keep us OFF the ballot and therefore limiting the political speech and expressions of Libertarians nationwide), but if we want to gain a spot on the ballot, we HAVE to gather petition signatures.

    These ballot access petitions represent political oppression, therefore, I have no problem philosophically with the act of burning them. That said, I wouldn’t burn petitions after shelling out thousands of dollars to garner signatures.

  84. TheOriginalAndy

    “I didn’t think Ron Crickenberger was reasonable, but up against Sean Haugh, he comes out looking like Ghandi.”

    One think that I’ll say about Ron Crickenberger when he was the Political Director is that if a petition drive was in trouble he was not afraid to go to wherever it was and get out there and gather petition signatures himself. I remember Ron Crickenberger was out there gathering signatures in the intense heat with us in Arizona back in 2000.

    Contrast this with Sean Haugh who seldom gets off his ass to do much of anything. Haugh did not gather any petition signatures when there were ballot access drives that were in trouble.

  85. Steven Druckenmiller

    Troll – just answer the question. Mr. Knapp went to war. Is he or is he not a baby-killing rapist, which is how you characterized United States Armed Services Members in a former thread.

    Do you want me to go back and quote you, or are you going to answer the question?

  86. TheOriginalAndy

    “Gene Trosper // Dec 12, 2008 at 12:20 am

    @77

    I stand by both remarks, Gary.

    On PRINCIPLE, I have ZERO issues with burning papers issued by the state (yes, even FRNs) which represent oppression and state power over the individual. However, on a practical, real-world level, we know that such things aren’t feasible.”

    Well duh….

    “We shouldn’t even HAVE to jump through ballot access hoops erected by the state (hoops designed to keep us OFF the ballot and therefore limiting the political speech and expressions of Libertarians nationwide), but if we want to gain a spot on the ballot, we HAVE to gather petition signatures.”

    No kidding. Just for your information, in some states even the Democrats and Republicans have to gather petition signatures for ballot access, and in a few of these cases their requirement is just a difficult, and in a handful of cases, even more difficult than the petition signature requirement for minor parties and independents (of course the requirement for minor parties and independents is usually more difficult, I’m just pointing out that’s not always the case).

    “These ballot access petitions represent political oppression, therefore, I have no problem philosophically with the act of burning them. That said, I wouldn’t burn petitions after shelling out thousands of dollars to garner signatures.”

    Well duh again.

    It would also be stupid to burn them if they were collect by volunteers.

    When petition signatures are required to be on the ballot, it is nothing short of deranged to advocate burning them.

    Would you have burned the Declation of Independence because the King of England should have already recognized the independence and freedom of the colonists in America and therefore the Declaration of Independence should not have been needed?

  87. Gene Trosper

    @109
    Would you have burned the Declation of Independence because the King of England should have already recognized the independence and freedom of the colonists in America and therefore the Declaration of Independence should not have been needed?

    Well duh….

    Let me remind you what I wrote:

    On PRINCIPLE, I have ZERO issues with burning papers issued by the state (yes, even FRNs) which represent oppression and state power over the individual.

    WHICH REPRESENT POLITICAL OPPRESSION.

    Clearly, The Declaration of Independence wasn’t an instrument of oppression.

  88. TheOriginalAndy

    Gene, I think that we both know that burning Libertarian Party ballot access petition signatures when they are a requirement to participate in election is extremely stupid, and it is even more stupid if you had to pay for those signatures, so let’s just leave it at that.

  89. JimDavidson

    @107 Just answer the question, Drunkenmiller. Are you or are you not still beating your wife?

    Do you, or do you not support they hypocrisy of the LP promoting a government for free expression and no victimless crimes while being a party for restricted expression and plenty of victimless crimes?

    You are going to quote me?

    “‘I don’t keer w’at you do wid me, Brer Fox,’ sez he, ‘so you don’t fling me in dat brier-patch. Roas’ me, Brer Fox,’ sez he, ‘but don’t fling me in dat brier-patch,’ sez he.”

  90. paulie cannoli Post author


    These ballot access petitions represent political oppression, therefore, I have no problem philosophically with the act of burning them.

    The need to gather signatures represents political oppression. The signatures themselves are a form of permitted resistance to political oppression. Burning blank petition forms might be some sort of symbolic resistance against the state. Burning forms that someone signed is an act of aggression against them.

    They signed a paper to help mitigate the state, and burning their signature would be secretly stilling their voice – compare it to, say, burning two thousand Freedom of Information request forms, or two thousand demonstration permits.


    One think that I’ll say about Ron Crickenberger when he was the Political Director is that if a petition drive was in trouble he was not afraid to go to wherever it was and get out there and gather petition signatures himself. I remember Ron Crickenberger was out there gathering signatures in the intense heat with us in Arizona back in 2000.

    I really respect Bill Redpath and Ron Crickenberger for gathering thousands of volunteers signatures themselves. I can’t think of very many other party members who have done that.

    I’ve done it myself – for example, I donated a week’s worth of signatures I could have been paid on in Illinois in 2000, I voluntarily kicked back $1,000 out of a ~$2,500 check to become a life member in Oklahoma in 2000, and I gathered over a thousand signatures as a volunteer (and got another pro to gather several hundred as well) in Arkansas in 2007.

    Of course I have gotten many more signatures for pay, but how many people can afford to travel around and do this without pay, and have the ability and willingness to do so?

    I don’t know how many volunteer signatures Andy has gathered, but I do know he has spent significant sums of his money and time copying and distributing party literature, and has personally talked to many thousands of people about the party above and beyond just asking them to sign the petitions.

    Yep, we are exactly the guys the party should piss off, fire and blackball, after all there are so many more people willing to do stuff like that.

  91. Michael Seebeck

    Joe Buchman @76 said:

    Ms. Keaton engaged in a wide range of speech; I agree that not all criticism of the LNC is damaging to it; Much is, or can be, healthy and growth producing.

    None of it was damaging to the LNC except in the minds of her persecutors. To individual members, yes, but not to the body as whole. It really comes back to certain people on the LNC being unable to handle what can be at times sharp criticism.

    Clearly Haugh’s sexism rant, and some portions of Ms. Keaton recent speech are contrary to that. That is the portion of their recent speech which (I believe it should be obvious) I was discussing.

    No, Haugh’s statement is not damaging, but only because the events he refers to happened in the first place. Ditto Keaton’s. Keep in mind while there may be some damage to the LNC because of the conduct that sparked the allegations, there would be far more down the road if they were not aired.

    I’m clear that there are no prior contracts limiting such speech, but I am likewise clear that a member of the legally liable management body of any organization who engages in such speech/activity has, in effect, by their own words resigned from it.

    Nope. Criticism of a body does not equate to resignation from that body. If that were the case the LP membership would be stuck at one member.

    To be clear, there’s a distinction between criticism and speech/actions which damage the organization (and one measure of that is saying or doing things which could result in liability for the organization).

    This is true; however in this case the damaging actions are the conduct that Haugh mentions and Keaton alludes to, not the fact that they divulged it.

  92. paulie cannoli Post author

    @113 Everyone has choices to take. You are very welcome in Kansas working for BTP.

    And you are welcome to have me there when the weather is nice and the funds are available, unless there is a better deal elsewhere at the same time.

  93. JimDavidson

    @115 lol

    “Criticism of a body does not equate to resignation from that body. If that were the case the LP membership would be stuck at one member.”

    Another quote of the day candidate.

  94. Gary Fincher

    paulie: “Maybe, maybe not. It depends on who gets the job after him, if anyone. He is truly made of teflon since he hasn’t been fired yet, unless it just hasn’t been made public.”

    No, I disagree. It DOES NOT matter who gets hired instead of him. If you fire the WORST person in the world, logic dictates that you cannot do any worse. I’d rather have Atilla the Hun.

  95. Gary Fincher

    “Shane Cory resigned as ED. Has the problem at HQ been solved?”

    They haven’t replaced him yet.

  96. Gary Fincher

    “I stand by both remarks, Gary.”

    I’m sure other people on here know EXACTLY what meant when I reproduced both remarks.

    a) I believe in accurate mathematics.

    b) 2 + 2 = 6

    I stand by both remarks.

    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

  97. Gary Fincher

    Trosper: “With that in mind, I am giving serious consideration to seeking a spot on the LNC in 2010.”

    Well, that certainly would be about par for the course, considering what’s been going on.

  98. Gary Fincher

    paulie: “Kraus is doing Cory’s job, so he has effectively been replaced. The possibility that Sean is the worst person in the world seems rather small.”

    Attitude-wise, I don’t know of anyone worse than Sean Haugh. Certainly no one in the whole world has been as malicious as he towards me. So from my perspective, there is NO reason not to fire Haugh.

    I’m not saying that Kraus is an improvement (and no, he is only ‘acting director’, not ‘director’), but if you kill a cockroach with your shoe and then you see another one, you don’t say, “Hmm, maybe I shouldn’t have killed that cockroach, because there are others since that one.” Cory STILL did not deserve to have that job. The reason: low integrity.

  99. Gene Trosper

    @120

    Have a hearty laugh Gary. Doesn’t bother me in the least. Glad to have provided you with some much needed distraction from your constant kvetching on these boards.

  100. paulie cannoli Post author

    I’m not saying that Kraus is an improvement (and no, he is only ‘acting director’, not ‘director’),

    And such he is likely to remain for some time, given the budget situation.


    but if you kill a cockroach with your shoe and then you see another one, you don’t say, “Hmm, maybe I shouldn’t have killed that cockroach, because there are others since that one.”

    I’d like to stay away from analogies which compare LP staff that I have some disagreements with to cockroaches. I do understand the larger point you are making.

  101. Joe Buchman

    @115

    “Keep in mind while there may be some damage to the LNC because of the conduct that sparked the allegations, there would be far more down the road if they were not aired.”

    “aired?”

    You’re defending an employee going to the media to address an (perhaps significant) concern of an organization.

    Are you sure that method doesn’t cause more harm than good — regardless of the issue involved?

    Sean’s behavior here is, IMO, reprehensible.

    As was is mismanagement of ballot access.

    As was his public statement that he’d vote Republican.

    These are not ways to cause the change he claims to desire, and indeed, IMO, do real harm.

    Same with (some of) Ms. Keton’s actions.

    (That said, I felt almost all of the charges against her, the way it was handled the time spent on it and overreaction were absurd. Far more harm caused by other’s (over) reaction than what she said/did that was cited as initiating them.)

    Joe

  102. LibertarianGirl

    Kraus is numero -uno on my shit list . if you were in San Diego it was hard to miss his smug , laughing face everytime a ‘radical’ spoke .

    he alone has decided what lnc and lp members should and should not know .

  103. Michael Seebeck

    Joe, it was “aired” because it is the easiest way to reach the membership, because the membership database has been a mess for quite some time. Had he chosen to use the membership database for this purpose, assuming it was in shape to use, he would have been in big trouble otherwise. Is there a different way you would suggest?

    And sometimes to properly rebuild, some things have to be destroyed first. Can that be harmful? Certainly. But it also can be necessary. In this case, because the problems are in the leadership elected by the membership, then the hiring body, the membership needs to know about it. Had it simply been staff harassing staff, then it would have been handled internally, as it should be in such a situation.

    Sean didn’t really mismanage ballot access. He was responsible to execute the insturctions from Davis and Kraus, the former of which who was serving two masters, and the Barr campaign by extension, and the fault lies there. And before Fincher and Jacobs pipe up, I’m referring not to petitioning efforts anywhere, but the specifics of not filing on time in LA, the inane NH suit, and the lack of local coordination in WV that Matt Harris has documented elsewhere. But that is also irrelevant to what Sean is referring to here.

  104. Michael Seebeck

    And yes, I do defend whistleblowing while I wish organizations conducted themselves in an open and honest manner to make it completely unnecessary. That’s why I’m in the LPTC.

  105. paulie cannoli Post author

    the specifics of not filing on time in LA, the inane NH suit, and the lack of local coordination in WV that Matt Harris has documented elsewhere.

    To defend Sean just a little, he had – as far as I know – nothing to do with ballot access efforts in WV, LA, OK or DC.

    As for managing petition drives, most of that was done by Scott, with Sean sometimes relaying his orders. Scott and Shane (in WV) apparently also relied heavily on advise from E*** D****** R*******.

    Sean did very little, and found it overwhelming.

  106. TheOriginalAndy

    Paul said: “To defend Sean just a little, he had – as far as I know – nothing to do with ballot access efforts in WV, LA, OK or DC.”

    Oh come on, you should no better than to make this statement.

    Sean may not have been directly involved in running West Virginia, but his actions in other states had an adverse effect on West Virginia. For example, had Haugh not jerked around Mark and I in Pennsylvania, the ballot drive in Pennsylvania could have ended sooner, which would have freed up petitions to go to West Virginia (or other places) sooner. If not for Sean’s actions, it is quite possible that Mark, my brother, and I could have all worked in West Virginia, and perhaps some other petitioners as well.

    As I’ve said several times, Oklahoma ballot access was blown in the fall of 2007 when the LNC decided to back a ballot initiative to reduce signature requirements rather than going for party ballot access, so Sean was not at fault for that one, but his mismanagement did contribute to ballot access failure in West Virginia, DC, and Louisiana (he could have been on top of that situation by calling them every day to make sure they filed the paperwork), and Sean’s actions directly caused the ballot drives in Connecticut and Maine to fail.

    “As for managing petition drives, most of that was done by Scott, with Sean sometimes relaying his orders. Scott and Shane (in WV) apparently also relied heavily on advise from E*** D****** R*******.

    Sean did very little, and found it overwhelming.”

    Sean Haugh was also involved in managing petition drives and he sucked at it.

  107. TheOriginalAndy

    “LibertarianGirl // Dec 12, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Kraus is numero -uno on my shit list . if you were in San Diego it was hard to miss his smug , laughing face everytime a ‘radical’ spoke .

    he alone has decided what lnc and lp members should and should not know .”

    Kraus was CC’d on the infamous “petition burining” e-mail from Sean Haugh, along with Scott Kohlhaas who was also CC’d. Kraus did NOTHING to prevent the signatures from being burned as the only reason that they weren’t burned is because Carol McMahon and George Phillies of the Massachusetts LP are NOT deranged like Haugh is. The fact that Kraus allowed this to happen with no repercussion on Sean Haugh puts Kraus in criminal co-conspirator territory.

    An individual that Gary and I know called up the LP National office and asked Robert Kraus about the petition buring and Kraus replied that Sean Haugh’s actions were justified because Gary has a history of doing fraudulent work, but of course he was unable to back up this accusation. My rebuttal to this is that Gary does not have a history of doing fraudulent work and that even if he did this would not be relavent because there was no proof that any of the 2,000 signatures that he gathered in Massachusetts this year were forged. The PROPER protocal would have been to CHECK the signatures before casting judgement on them. Incidentily, the signatures were checked and they were found to have been of high validity.

    Gary was actually the #1 petitioner in Massachusetts during the time that he worked there this year in terms of volume of signatures with high validity.

    Kraus was WAY out of line to make this statement on the phone to an LP member and he was also derelict in his duties for knowing that Haugh ordered a criminal act to take place and allowing him to get away with it.

  108. Joe Buchman

    @126

    “Did Utah LP pass any resolutions?”

    I suggested two: One in support of recent LNC actions, which failed. Consensus was along the lines of “the national party is a mess right now, let’s stay out of this.”

    Apparently some members have ceased their financial support of the current LNC. Far more disgust with the current situation that I’d realized.

    and the other which passed as:

    “LP Utah would like to recognize, acknowledge and express its gratitude for the professionalism and competence of Paul Frankel during his petition efforts here which has now resulted in our status as a party on the ballot in 2010 without the need for petitioning.”

    Or something like that. It was late and we didn’t nail down the exact wording.

    🙂

    Joe

  109. Joe Buchman

    @129

    Michael,

    I’m enjoying this debate . . . thanks.

    “Is there a different way you would suggest?”

    I’d suggest, if change and not drama is the goal, exhausting internal appeals first.

    After that, not before, is a good time to whistle blow.

    I know this, to some degree, from personal experience. Blowing a public whistle against fraud at Utah Valley State College (now Utah Valley University) — a process that resulted in creating more opposition to the change I was committed to, more acrimony, and in the end, just proof that they could get away with their lies and fraud with impunity.

    Going public isn’t always the best way to get the change you say you want to get.

    I think that’s what’s happened here.

    My impression: Sean wanted the ego gratification of saying he was fired for his last-minute noble whistle blowing actions, rather than for the legitimate failures and issues which (I gather) have justified his dismissal for some time. (Not that this has apparently happened yet.)

    I support the LPTC as well as the efforts for proportional representation, rather than geographic, on the LNC.

    Best,

    Joe

  110. Michael Seebeck

    Joe, the problem is that there is no well-defined process on the issue, especially in terms of appeals. Here’s the Policy Manual on the subject:

    (Article 1, Section 8)

    Any violation of this policy should be brought to the attention of the Chair, or the Chairman of the Judicial Committee. In response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and necessary steps to investigate the matter and will protect the individual’s confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the need to thoroughly investigate all complaints. LNC will take corrective and preventative actions where necessary. LNC will not retaliate against any individual who in good faith brings a complaint to the attention of LNC or participates in an investigation regarding a complaint. Any employee who violates this policy is subject to discipline, up to and including discharge.
    Violations of this policy may result in disciplinary action against the perpetrator including removal from the LNC.

    The fact that we’re even discussing this, unfortunately, indicates a major problem. That’s not slamming anybody here, just an observation on the disappointing state of affairs.

    It’s also pretty common knowledge that there was going to be staff cuts, but that leads to an important question that I may have missed being answered: was the staff cut Haugh, and if so, has it happened yet? I don’t recall seeing anything on that yet, but it’s possible I missed it. I also presume that it had happened, meaning he actually could finally out on it.

  111. TheOriginalAndy

    Joe Buchman said: “My impression: Sean wanted the ego gratification of saying he was fired for his last-minute noble whistle blowing actions, rather than for the legitimate failures and issues which (I gather) have justified his dismissal for some time. (Not that this has apparently happened yet.)”

    It wouldn’t suprise me if this was nothing more than a publicity stunt by Sean Haugh to make himself look good in order to draw attention away from the very real reasons that he deserves to be fired (ie-failures in his job, criminal malfeasance, and squandering donors money). Considering that Haugh has a history of making false accusations against people, I would not put much stock into anything that he says.

  112. paulie cannoli Post author

    was the staff cut Haugh, and if so, has it happened yet?

    My information is that the answer is no.

    Also, to address something I and others discussed higher on the thread: I talked to a former HQ staffer yesterday. He says that the chair can only fire the ED, and only the ED can fire other HQ staff underneath him or her. He also said he is not sure whether this is also true of acting EDs, as Kraus is now.

  113. Michael Seebeck

    Paulie, that’s probably true. “Acting” only means assuming the duties of the position until a replacement can be officially hired.

    Since the LP has no budget to pay and ED, that means Kraus is “acting” ED for the forseeable future, and that’s disturbing.

  114. TheOriginalAndy

    “paulie cannoli // Dec 14, 2008 at 11:29 am

    was the staff cut Haugh, and if so, has it happened yet?

    My information is that the answer is no.”

    No that Haugh hasn’t been fired (yet), or no that Haugh is part of the staff that is going to be cut?

    If anyone NEEDS to be cut it is Sean Haugh. For the good of the party, somebody needs to fire that son of a bitch.

    Michael Seebeck said: “Since the LP has no budget to pay and ED, that means Kraus is “acting” ED for the forseeable future, and that’s disturbing.”

    Indeed.

  115. paulie cannoli Post author

    The info was that he was not about to be fired.

    But no, I don’t think he has been fired yet either, even after this.

    So, who’s running the party again?

  116. TheOriginalAndy

    “paulie cannoli // Dec 15, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    The info was that he was not about to be fired.

    But no, I don’t think he has been fired yet either, even after this.

    So, who’s running the party again?”

    If Sean Haugh doesn’t get fired, then there has got to be something fishy happening. The guy is a total fuck up. He engaged in criminal behavior (ie-the attempted petition burning). He failed to get the LP on the ballot in places where the party SHOULD HAVE made it. He squandered thousands upon thousands of dollars in donors money with nothing to show for it.

    The fact that this clown still has a job with the LP is very disturbing. Does Sean Haugh have embarrassing pictures of somebody or what?

  117. TheOriginalAndy

    Oh yeah, add to the list of offenses that Haugh abused his position in the party to smear certain Libertarian Party candidates which is highly unprofessional.

  118. TheOriginalAndy

    “145 G.E. // Dec 15, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    I think Sean is doing a great job.”

    LOL! He’s doing great job at fucking things up, that’s for sure.

  119. sunshinebatman

    Evidently I am way behind on my soap operas.

    Wasn’t Mr. Haugh supposed to be one of those intolerant right-wing baddies the saintly tolerant Ms. Keaton was crusading against? Have they kissed and made up now? And who’s this new character exactly? He sounds like a bit of a lech. And he got Angela fired?

    I also heard that GE/NBC had to let go John & Marlena to make payroll?!

  120. G.E.

    Haugh was actually Roman Brady post mountain-climbing accident. He was a Manchurian candidate puppetted by Stefano and only recently came to his senses. Duh.

  121. G.E.

    This is probably a Haugh-Redpath conspiracy. After all, firing Haugh for the reasons he deserves to be fired NOW is too little too late.

    Bill Redpath = Matt Millen of politics. And you idiots who are still in the party are Lions fans.

  122. JimDavidson

    @149 Uh, I think you missed about 200 separate comments on various threads in which the Original Andy and Gary Fincher go on and on and on and on (and on!) about Sean Haugh being defended by Angela Keaton to the point where she said offensive things about Gary and stopped talking to Andy and their mutual friend Paulie. Of these, Paulie is cool with me.

    So, the short of it is that currently Angela and Sean are getting along fine.

    M Carling and Stewart Flood seemed to have it in for Angela. I guess they are proud of themselves now.

  123. paulie cannoli Post author

    Wasn’t Mr. Haugh supposed to be one of those intolerant right-wing baddies the saintly tolerant Ms. Keaton was crusading against?

    No, Sean is actually fairly left wing for a libertarian. There are weird aberrations in this regard, such as his role in the “kiddie porn” press release, but he is on Angela’s side.

    The reason we don’t get along with Sean isn’t ideological – I actually got along with him fine on a talking politics/philosophy level. The reason we don’t like Sean is his mismanagement of ballot access drives, and his vindictiveness against libertarian petitioners who expose it.

    That’s a side of him Angela does not get to see. Although there are clues she should be able to pick up – the “kiddie porn” press release, the Las Vegas incident with Susan, etc. But then, Angela has admit to me that she is not a good judge of character.

  124. paulie cannoli Post author

    And you idiots who are still in the party are Lions fans.

    I very rarely watch sports anymore. I did have the Alabama-Florida going in the next room so I could listen to it while I watched the LNC drama. I probably jinxed the Tide so I should watch even less. When I was into sports I was a NY Giants fan. Also, Yankees, Rangers and Knicks. But I haven’t been keeping up.

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