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Green Party of NY weighs in on NY State Senate coup

h/t to my co-blogger Ian Wilder at www.onthewilderside.com

excerpt from a GPNYS Press Release:

Green Party of New York State Decries NY Senate Coup and Calls for Grassroots Resistance

The Green Party of New York State (GPNYS) decries the latest power play in the NY State Senate.  The leadership coup on Monday night by the Republican Party and at least two Democrats, one under investigation for fraud and the other for physical assault, is the newest in a serious of undemocratic and disgraceful acts that have earned the State Legislature the title of most undemocratic and “Stalinist” from the Brennan Center for Law and Justice.  The Green Party calls for immediate overhaul of Legislative procedures and electoral reform, including full public financing of campaigns, proportional representation, and allowing bills to come to a floor vote without leadership approval.

26 Comments

  1. Gary Julian Gary Julian June 11, 2009

    Yes to all of the above.

  2. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 12, 2009

    Wow, the ironies abound here folks.

    You see, this type of maneuvering is EXACTLY how the National GP operated.

    Those of us nasty, mean old “dissidents” (read that whistle-blowers) were banned, expelled, smeared and attacked for speaking out. Including former National GP Co-Chair Liz Arnone. The censorship of the left has been appalling, to say the least. from GP Watch to Daily KOS, OP ED News, the “Free Press” the Nation magazine and hosts of other sites.

    In fact, the leadership of the GP used what we called the tyranny of the majority to block many good proposals. just like the Republicans did in New york, it must be noted.

    Right after, as I stated earlier in another thread using a special committee with Cat Woods and Greg Gerritt and Hugh Esco and consensus to address the very real, legitimate concerns of the Nader supporters. When that proposal was sabotaged, I became aware that some in the GP were not serious about growing and building.

    That they would indeed use the minority to block any real movement.

    Sorry green kiddies, I will NOT just be quiet about this. I feel a moral and political responsibility to speak out.

    Just as I do about many other things.

    So let the games begin. Only without a Committee To End Free Speech to protect you folks.

    Can I get a twinkle?

  3. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 12, 2009

    Sorry, read that the tyranny of the MINORITY not majority in the above rant.

    The convention in Chicago was rigged. That is why Nader and Gonzalez did not seek the GP endorsement.

    Of course the Green Party paper did a fine job of covering this controversy.

    uhh yeah, right. There are people who have not been speaking ill of the GP who have left, that much is true. Or at least not publicaly.

    Instead they had people like David Strand call them Stalinists and other such ad hominem attacks in public. While calling Ralph Nader a homophobe.

    People left the meeting in Reading happy because it APPEARED, for a brief moment that the GP would be open and fair. Hell, they even had Tom Neilson there, singing All because I Voted For Ralph Nader.

    You see, whistle blowers are NEVER popular with those in whom they are blowing whistles.

    It is the nature of the beast.

    NOW you are hearing the grinding of an axe.

    No hurt feelings are being discussed here.

    Just political reality.

  4. VAGreen VAGreen June 12, 2009

    “In fact, the leadership of the GP used what we called the tyranny of the majority to block many good proposals. just like the Republicans did in New york, it must be noted.”

    Many good proposals? Try naming a few proposals that you liked besides the delegates apportionment to the convention.

    “People left the meeting in Reading happy because it APPEARED, for a brief moment that the GP would be open and fair. ”

    When I try to bring to light the things that you and your pals did on the National Committee after Reading, you evade, you bluster, you change the subject, but you don’t address my comments. So once again, I REPEAT:

    I’m talking about the attacks that you, Murphy, Duke, and Arnone launched on other Greens, many of which took place months BEFORE the vote on apportionment. I want to know what these attacks did to build the Green Party at the national level.

    The Green Party came out of the Annual National Meeting in 2007 with a sense of unity and purpose that I had not seen in years. That was when (and probably why) the attacks started. Out of the blue, YOU, Michael Cavlan, launched an attack on Phil Huckelberry as a closet “Demo-Green”. Never mind that he fought against, and defeated, the corrupt Democratic Party establishment in Illinois.

    This was just the beginning. The NC was under constant siege by you and your pals attacks on smaller state parties, smears against our staff, witch-hunts against “Demogreens”, bizarre conspiracy theories, ad hominem attacks on other Greens, and inflation of submicroscopic issues to intergalactic proportions.

    Since all of those Evil Demo-Greens were supposedly ruining the party and deserved to be removed from power, I would have thought that you, Arnone, Duke, and Murphy would have offered an alternative program for building the national Green Party. But I never heard a word of it. Nothing about fundraising, ballot access, helping smaller state parties, recruiting candidates, or getting more people to register Green.

  5. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 12, 2009

    Oh deary me.

    Goody. I didn’t think you were going to answer this Audrey. You see here you will not have what Murphy called the End Free Speech Committee to block answers to your nasty attacks. Here all the laundry comes out.

    So lets go point by point, shall we? I have some time to waste and burn.

    The Delegate proposal was CENTRAL to what the Nader folks had a problem with.

    As for the “attacks” of myself, Murphy, Arnone and others “launched ” on others, well what you call attacks, I would call questioning and good old fashioned accountability.

    Like I said then I say again. I am sure that Cindy Sheehan as called all kinds of nasty things by the Bush folks at Crawford, Texas.

    Those “attacks” were bringing up very serious, legitimate concerns. No bluster there Audrey and no evading.

    As for my thoughts on what we ended up calling Phil Fuckleberry, well that was passed on to me by John Murphy. Who had already been banned from posting, as a National Delegate from Pennsylvania. The charges of running a safe states type campaign was never answered.

    Huckleberry ran in a Republican area, yet paraded around like his voting percentage mattered. It was another version of safe states. More on that little thought later.

    Good old Phil, who stood at a podium and screamed into the microphone “I did not join the GP to fight Democrats.”

    So these Attacks before the apportionment vote” was dissidents, voicing our VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS in the run up to the Delegate apportionment vote. No bluster, no dodging.

    I do note with interest that you still have not answered WHY NADER DID NOT SEEK THE GP ENDORSEMENT.

  6. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 12, 2009

    Now, still going..

    Ah yes, attacks on staff. Ohh how bad of us evil destructo-greens.

    Brent McMillian was approached by the staff of Elaine Brown.. Who had been seeking GP endorsement for Prez. Also a former Black Panther (old school before you Libs ask,,lol)

    He called the police on her, then started spreading rumours that she was a “late stage alcoholic paranoid delusional” (this has the correct spelling where as Brent even misspelled a couple of words. It must be noted that Elaine Brown had come out in support of Ralph Nader, if she did not get the endorsement.

    As an aside it was this act and Liz Arnone who was a whistle blower about it that got Liz fired as Co-Chair of the GP.. Who was also a Nader supporter.

    Let us not forget Greg Gerritt, on the Presidential Support Committee who contacted ralph Nader AND Cynthia McKinney saying that they should not run.

    Oh yes, the smaller states issue.

    Now as I remember, it was David McQuirkydale who was a big proponent on that. In fact he led the charge on that, using the states rights argument.

    Of course, those of us who know understand the real issue on this.

    This goes to the heart of the matter. Nader supporters felt that the larger, more organized states, like California, New York and New Jersey (and mostly strong Nader states) were under represented on the National, while the smaller, less organized states (like Arkansas and other more conservative states) were over represented. They tended to the safe states, do not run strongly agin Democrats thought process.

    This went to the central concerns of the Nader folks. Or as you all called them, the Nader groupies.

    But you know all this Audrey.

    Like I said, there were legitimate concerns (based on very unfair ballot access and very irregular ballot access laws)

    All of these were addressed, in a special committee set up, worked on in consensus fashion for TWO YEARS.

    Only to be attacked by the very people who had said they agreed with it, when it came to the membership.

    As for Ballot Access, membership and Fundraising, well let us look at that too.

    I was involved in the Cynthia McKinney campaign, right at the very start. Myself, Heidi Sheen (who agrees with all I write here and has also left the GP) one other person from Minnesota and two people from Maine.

    WEe help Conference calls for a few weeks. All those folks who cried that McKinney MUST be our candidate were nowhere to be found. once Nader was not the candidate, they all disappeared. many of them had been rabid safe States David Cobb supporters. That, more than anything else pissed me off.

    Then , to make it worse and personal, the National put David Strand in charge of McKinney’s campaign in Minnesota. Who used her campaign, not to build but to simply attack Ralph Nader. I personally watched this happen.

    At that point Cat Woods and many others, including myself gave up.

    If the GP was honest with itself, it should stop fooling people into thinking that it is a national campaign at all. The GP is filled with people whose strategy is to only run small campaigns, for Water Commissioner and maybe City Council.

    But will attack anyone who runs for president or Congress.

    THAT I base on hard, bitter experience.

  7. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 12, 2009

    Oh God yes.

    Fundraising and growing the membership.

    Ralph Nader raised MILLIONS for his very visible campaign. He also attracted lots of people to his campaign. Many, many of them former Greens.

    That was one of the points made by the Nader folks. I, as a Mckinney supporter warned that to deliberately disenfranchise so many people would, in fact shrink the GP of money and membership.

    Not exactly sustainable.

    As for Ballot Access ideas, well hell. here is another crazy, wacky idea we “dissenters” had.

    DO NOT DISENFRANCHISE NADER SUPPORTERS.

    So Audrey, again I ask, for the third or fourth time.

    Why did Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez (who almost became the GP Mayor of San Francisco) not seek GP endorsement? Which could have saved them one hell of a lot of work, with the 30 odd state ballot access?

    The above refutes the lie that “Nader is an authoritarian or just does not join parties.”

    but none of this is ever discussed in the GP National newspaper. Or in GP Watch.

    Left wing censorship is amazing and horrifying.

  8. libertariangirl libertariangirl June 13, 2009

    MC__Why did Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez (who almost became the GP Mayor of San Francisco) not seek GP endorsement?

    me__Mmmm, could it be the same reason Ron paul didnt seek the LP nomination after he lost the GOP one . he coulda continued kickin ass.

  9. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 13, 2009

    Lib Girl

    Good point.

  10. VAGreen VAGreen June 13, 2009

    My “nasty attacls”? Man, that’s really rich coming from you.

    Falsely accusing other members of the Steering Committee of being “Demo-Greens”, recycling discredited conspiracy theories about other Greens, making up new conspiracy theories, and Arnone and Murphy’s intolerance for the many Greens who supported their own Presidential nominee in 2004 is what you call “good old fashioned accountability”. Well, I guess we might have to expect this in a political culture that allows Cheney to get away with calling torture “enhanced interrogation techniques.”

    Getting into a two-way race with a Republican is “safe states”? So we should run only in races where there is both a Democrat and a Republican, or should we recruit Democrats to run against us? That’s just ridiculous.

    Huckelberry was too busy to recruit a Democrat to run against himself in 2006 because he was running the Illinois Greens statewide petition drive. His state party collected 39,400 signatures in 90 days, and defeated the frivolous Democratic party challenge to their petition. Rich Whitney, who was the Green candidate for Governor, went on to get 10% of the vote, securing the Greens’ ballot line until 2010.

    Thanks in large part to Huckelberry, the Greens had their first Presidential primary in Illinois in 2008 and ran many more candidates than they otherwise would have. That was rather cleverly omitted from your attacks on him.

  11. VAGreen VAGreen June 13, 2009

    ‘Ah yes, attacks on staff. Ohh how bad of us evil destructo-greens.

    Brent McMillian was approached by the staff of Elaine Brown.. Who had been seeking GP endorsement for Prez. Also a former Black Panther (old school before you Libs ask,,lol)

    He called the police on her, then started spreading rumours that she was a “late stage alcoholic paranoid delusional”’

    I could understand you getting the impression that Brent did this out of the clear blue if you had only read a selectively edited version of the e-mail that Liz forwarded to the NC listserv. But you didn’t. YOU, Michael Cavlan, are doing the selective editing. It may feel good to smear Brent as a racist because he wasn’t a member of your little faction, but you know the truth, and it’s not what you’re telling here.

    Brent was very helpful in getting all of our Presidential candidates on the primary ballot in DC. He helped Jared Ball and Cynthia McKinney, and was the only person who collected signatures for Elaine Brown.

    Smaller state parties: For years, the smaller state parties have heard nothing from the most extreme Naderites except that they sucked. Nothing about what they could do to build. You ran with that crowd and joined in the attacks. Howard Dean didn’t tell weaker state Democratic parties that they sucked. He devoted resources to helping them succeed.

    The apportionment that was passed in 2008 was an improvement on the 2004 apportionment. It was based on the same formula that we used to apportion delegates to the National Committee. There was no deliberate attempt to disenfranchise Nader supporters.

    Using the 2004 convention results to determine support for safe states is highly misleading. It was basically refighting an old battle. Many Cobb supporters actually opposed safe states in 2004, and Cobb himself campaigned in swing states after the convention. Nader probably would have fared very well in the pro-Cobb states in 2004 if he had sought the nomination. The reason why Cobb won these states was because he actually got out and campaigned there.

    Safe states was formally dead and buried by the party after Reading in 2007, and it was Phil Huckelberry who proposed the resolution to put it in the grave.

    “If the GP was honest with itself, it should stop fooling people into thinking that it is a national campaign at all. The GP is filled with people whose strategy is to only run small campaigns, for Water Commissioner and maybe City Council.

    But will attack anyone who runs for president or Congress.”

    In the words of Nancy Sinatra, you keep lyin’ when you oughtta be truthin’. Where were all the attacks on Rebekah Kennedy, our Senate candidate in Arkansas last year? Where were all the attacks on Carl Romanelli, who was a speaker at Reading in 2007? I’ve yet to meet a Green who attacks all Presidential and Congressional candidates regardless of their merits.

  12. VAGreen VAGreen June 13, 2009

    “Why did Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez (who almost became the GP Mayor of San Francisco) not seek GP endorsement? Which could have saved them one hell of a lot of work, with the 30 odd state ballot access?”

    I don’t know. It could be that Nader, for all of his virtues and accomplishments, tends to be a lone wolf. It could be that the members of his inner circle are not very favorably inclined toward the GP.

    Had Nader sought our nomination, he probably would have won it regardless of the delegate apportionment used. Once again, the attacks that your faction started came months before Reading and had nothing to do with apportionment. There was no program for building the GP. Just endless negativity.

  13. VAGreen VAGreen June 13, 2009

    It’s a big country out there with plenty of voters who are disenchanted with the two-party system. Why doesn’t Cavlan try to build a party based on its own merits rather than by trying to tear the GP down?

  14. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 15, 2009

    Audrey,

    I actually answered this a day ago but apparently forgot top hit send right before I went to go visit my son. I tire of this.

    Horse manure on all, you say, yes the Nader folks were disenfranchised but you folks will never concede that. I understand that.

    My job is to simply warn any folks who are SERIOUS about building an alternative to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system to stay clear of the GP.

    Or at least enter that domain warned.

    Bye Bye.

  15. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 15, 2009

    Here Audrey AKA VA Green

    From Blog Talk Radio, with Greg Jacoy

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/michael-cavlan/

    Sorry, I am NOT going to just shut up.

    Here Audrey, you folks do not have your GP Committee To End Free Speech to stop people from talking.

    Free Speech here Audrey. Free Speech rules

  16. Dave Schwab Dave Schwab June 16, 2009

    Michael,

    You just don’t have any credibility on this issue. VAGreen asked you why you attacked Phil Huckleberry, and your response is that he’s “Phil Fuckleberry”. How old are you again? Sorry, but the proof is in the pudding; Huckleberry has accomplished a whole lot in the way of building a serious alternative to the two-party system. Yeah, he’s got better things to do than hunting ‘demo-greens’; he’s helping to build a party that is growing and vying for power in Illinois.

    You accuse anyone who disagrees with you of engaging in sabotage and conspiracies, although all the evidence suggests that you’ve been sabotaging the Green Party from inside and out. You expect explanations and apologies from everyone else, but when you’re asked why you spent all your time attacking other Greens, you don’t even bother to explain. You behave in this way, then you can’t understand why people don’t want you in their party, much less representing them as a candidate?

    I don’t know you, I have no personal beef with you and no desire to have any. But if you’re going to continue trolling every single Green-related post with your hypocritical, spiteful ranting, someone needs to call you out. If you have anything other than spite left, go and work on your new party. Go and smash the Green Party’s iron grip of oppression over Minnesota.

  17. Lou Novak Lou Novak June 16, 2009

    Dave, don’t feed the trolls.

  18. Dave Schwab Dave Schwab June 16, 2009

    Haha, you’re right Lou (and sounding like me in my wiser moments). I just ran out of patience.

  19. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 16, 2009

    David Schwab and Lou Novak

    This aint to freakin’ Troll.

    You can try and portay this discussion as that but it aint.

    Plain and simple. In fact that has been one of your tactics. Smear any who stand up to you folks.

    You folks have destroyed this organization. Plain and simple.

    I refuse to be quiet about it.

  20. Ross Levin Ross Levin June 16, 2009

    At this point, Michael, I’m afraid to say you’re a troll. On pretty much every Green Party post, you just complain about them, and I’m really not even 100% what you’re complaining about (although I admit I don’t have the patience to read every one of your posts).

    And I’m hardly a member of the Green Party.

  21. Harry Sphinctcher Harry Sphinctcher June 16, 2009

    I like big butts and I will not lie.

    You other brothers can’t deny.

  22. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 16, 2009

    Ross

    This troll isspeaking up for the countless people who have left the GP.

    Try reading the last statement of the Greens for Nader campaign.

    They documented it pretty well.

    I have said that I agree 100% with what they have said.

    I am committed to exposing the GP for the fraud it has become.

    You want to call me a troll, fair enough.

    No problem for me. One persons Troll is anothers Whistleblower, to paraphrase an old term.

  23. Ross Levin Ross Levin June 16, 2009

    But I’m not even sure what you’re blowing the whistle about. And I’m not sure why you have to do it kind of vaguely in every Green Party thread here, even if it’s not really related to what it seems like you’re talking about (although maybe it really is related to the NY State Senate coup – I can’t be sure).

  24. Michael Cavlan Michael Cavlan June 17, 2009

    Ross

    It is directly related to the New York Coup.

    because the way it was done on the National Gp was just like the situation in New York.

    Like I have said, this conversation is so frigging important to any who are in the Third Party Movement.

    There is a boat load of experience in what happened to the Nader folks and others in the GP.

    You can choose to listen to that or not.

    It is completely up to you all.

    I know what I saw, what I experienced and obviously I am still angered and horrified at what happened.

    I am far from being alone.

  25. Dave Schwab Dave Schwab June 17, 2009

    “At this point, Michael, I’m afraid to say you’re a troll. On pretty much every Green Party post, you just complain about them, and I’m really not even 100% what you’re complaining about (although I admit I don’t have the patience to read every one of your posts).”

    Ross, thank you for saying what we’re all thinking.

  26. Donald Raymond Lake Donald Raymond Lake June 22, 2009

    Checked the GPUS site yet again.

    Hey ye of ‘Room Temperature IQ’
    pull the standard local news
    put page after page of crowd photos from
    Iran, specializing in green flags and banners.

    No commentary, no editorials. Let the photo graphs speak for them selves. [Duh!]

    If the official or unofficial green sites do not do this, then like so many other alternate groups, they are just not smart enuf to progress ……….

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