Rand Paul staffer Christi Gillespie resigns, switches to Libertarian

From the Associated Press, via The Leaf-Chronicle (excerpt):

Christi Gillespie sent a statement to reporters on Thursday, saying she had also switched her party affiliation from Republican to Libertarian.

Gillespie said she felt it “morally necessary” to resign because Paul has prohibited campaign staffers and his supporters from attacking the Republican Party or GOP Sen. Mitch McConnell.

See also:

Rand Paul files for US Senate; supporters of other Republicans who are behind in the polls say he should have filed as a Libertarian

Libertarian Party of Kentucky addresses racism allegations against Rand Paul

IPR Exclusive: Confirmed, Rand Paul to run for US Senate in Kentucky

68 thoughts on “Rand Paul staffer Christi Gillespie resigns, switches to Libertarian

  1. paulie Post author

    http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2009/12/resigned-paul-staffer-says-he-is-sell.html



    WOW. Just got this letter from the Rand Paul staffer that resigned today, Christi Gillespie. Apparently, she left because Rand is now ditching his message of reform and is now planning on kissing Mitch McConnell’s ass. Excerpts below:

    Lexington, Ky.– Effective at 1 p.m. today, I have resigned from the Rand Paul for U.S. Senate Campaign. Reflecting on previous staff changes and how they were handled, I wish to speak for myself on my own behalf. I am making my intentions clear in my own words.

    I came to work for Rand first as a grassroots volunteer, then as a full-time staffer. Initially, I was attracted to his conservative message of reforming the Republican Party. This powerful message is held dear by the growing majority of mainstream Kentuckians. This message is what attracted me to support Rand, after I had originally pledged my support to Secretary Grayson.

    I have decided, after much thoughtful deliberation, to leave the GOP after 15 years of activism and campaign involvement at all levels. My political career began as a highschool student, where I served as the state chair of the Teenage Republicans. Since then, I have consistently continued my involvement by working both as a volunteer and as staff in Republican organizations and campaigns. This step, therefore, is not taken lightly, but I deem it morally necessary.

    After all, it was Rand Paul who caused me to “see the light” about Mitch McConnell and the GOP establishment, both of whom Rand has now forbidden campaign members and grassroots supporters to attack. Rand now says he can’t win by attacking McConnell. Rand has changed his message of reform, so I cannot be further involved in this effort with a clear conscience. If we are not working to reform the GOP, we are only helping the establishment. On a personal note, however, Rand and I have parted company on friendly terms.

    I have re-registered as a Libertarian, and I look forward to helping to grow the Libertarian Party of Kentucky into the viable third-party alternative it can be. I welcome you to join me in this worthwhile endeavor for liberty and our Constitution. Please visit http://www.lpky.org for more information about the Libertarian Party of Kentucky.

    In Liberty,

    Christi Gillespie
    Wow.

    Additionally, she tells me that David Adams was apparently the one spreading the false word that the crazy woman on the video that came out today was Gillespie.

  2. paulie Post author

    http://www.lpky.org/node/159

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF KENTUCKY REITERATES: RAND PAUL IS NOT A LIBERTARIAN

    The Libertarian Party of Kentucky again reiterated today that Rand Paul is not a Libertarian.

    “I have heard Rand Paul speak at TEA Party events, and I can assure you that his positions are that of a Republican,” said LPKY Chairman Ken Moellman. “While the GOP is going through an identity crisis, the Libertarian Party has stood firm upon the same principles since its founding.”

    “As head of the membership committee, I assure you that [Paul] has never been a Libertarian,” said Ronald Seiter, Louisville native and Libertarian Party of Kentucky Vice Chairman. “He has neither signed our statement of principles, nor contributed to the Party in any way.”

    The Libertarian Party agrees with portions of both the Democratic and Republican Party platforms; though, not always for the same reasons. The ‘non-aggression principle’ guides the Libertarian Party. Signing an oath to adhere to that principle, along with annual dues, is a requirement for full membership in the Party or to run as one of its candidates.

    The Libertarian Party of Kentucky will begin to announce its 2010 candidates for office around the state in the next few months. Kentucky law creates separate procedures for anyone not running as a Democrat or Republican. “That shouldn’t be a surprise. They wrote the rules to keep others out. But the political atmosphere has changed, people are tired of politics as usual,” Moellman said. “And I think we’re going to have some very good results in November.

    The Libertarian Party of Kentucky is the official state affiliate for the Libertarian Party. Founded in 1971, the Libertarian Party believes in achieving liberty through economic freedom and social tolerance, and is the nation’s third-largest political party. More information is available at their respective websites: http://www.lpky.org/ and http://www.lp.org/

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  3. Mark Smith

    Hard to see how this is going to hurt Rand Paul with the mainstream — in fact, it should help. These two facts – staffer resigning and jumping to the LP, and the LP affirming that Rand has never been a member – may help assure voters that Rand is not a CRAZY LIBERTARIAN! And, by the way, telling your staff not to bash the entrenched powers-that-be in your party is not the same as saying you agree with them. It’s just a way to avoid unnecessary damage to the campaign. Seems smart to me. (Full disclosure: I’m a Libertarian and have been voting such since 1980.)

  4. EllsworthT

    Other than keeping abortion legal, I can’t think of any issue where Libertarians and Democrats agree (and no Libertarian would ever support *government funded* abortions). There is only one solution to America’s problems: Free its people, get government out of the way. As a proponent of capitalism and Free Markets, I would love to be a Libertarian, but while half of our population routinely and eagerly chooses enslavement over liberty, I don’t have that luxury. Libertarians, take their toys home and gain nothing; me, I stay and fight, winning occasionally. Rand Paul needs to pick his battles carefully. If he wants to bring the GOP back to its roots, he first needs to get elected.

  5. Eric Dondero

    I’ve racked my brain, and cannot think of a single issue where Libertarains agree with Democrats. The only possible exception, well two, abortion and separation of church and state.

    But on abortion, we only agree with them on half of it – pro-choice, while vehemently disagreeing with them on the other half – funding.

    On separation of church and state ditto. We like the separation part. But dislike the politically correct bash all Christians all the time part.

    I’d say it’s like this:

    Libertarians agree with Democrats 2%
    Libertarians agree with Republicans 80%

  6. Trent Hill

    This is retarded. Rand is trying to get elected to the U.S. Senate–and one simply can’t do that by openly attacking Mitch McConnell–who enjoys a 60% rating. Does this idiot think that Ron Paul went out in 1976 and started bashing the most popular GOP figures? Or in 1996? It’s ridiculous.

    Clearly, this guy knows nothing of the difficulties of actually getting a libertarian-Republican like Rand Paul elected. Furthermore, he claims that him and Rand are still on good terms. If you were his friend, idiot, you would have resigned quietly rather than taking cheap pot shots at a candidate that probably agrees with you 99%–but doesn’t want to be relegated to 4% at the end of the primary.

  7. ChrisCZ

    This new development is nothing. I agree with a prior post that this could actually help his campaign.

    I still support Ron Paul & Rand Paul 100%

  8. memefilter

    Well Christie, typically the plan is to jump from the ship that is sinking to one that is floating, not the other way around. The LP is dead and beginning to stink – the good people have left, and only the dummies who foisted Barr remain.

    Ironic that Eric Dondero rears his disgruntled head in these comments, as the article is about someone much like him – an opportunist seeking to get a little fame for herself by trashing someone else.

    Go Rand, and I hope you enjoy the LP Christie, lol.

  9. Mik Robertson

    @4 “If he wants to bring the GOP back to its roots, he first needs to get elected.”

    I don’t know that he will be able to do much even when elected. The political machine is large and more likely to mold individuals than be changed by them. Even a veteran of 20+ years in Congress hasn’t been able to significantly change the GOP, in fact it has gotten worse in that time.

    If he wants to get elected, the GOP is one way to go. If he wants to change the system, it is not the way to go.

  10. Brad

    ” I can’t think of any issue where Libertarians and Democrats agree ”

    The trouble with coming up with lists of issues where Libertarians agree with Democrats is that the Democrats in office have by and large sold out the people who vote for them on those issues.

    But then, that is also the problem with finding lists of issues on which Republicans agree with Libertarians as well.

  11. Brad

    “There is only one solution to America’s problems: Free its people, get government out of the way.”

    I agree.

    “As a proponent of capitalism and Free Markets, I would love to be a Libertarian, but while half of our population routinely and eagerly chooses enslavement over liberty, I don’t have that luxury.”

    You mean the half that votes at all, right?

    Because if you mean the half that votes for the Democrats does and the half that votes for the Republicans doesn’t, you’re way off base.

    “Libertarians, take their toys home and gain nothing”

    Not true.

    “If he wants to bring the GOP back to its roots, he first needs to get elected.”

    What roots are those? As far as I know the roots of the (NS)GOP were Lincolnian and they have never made the country more free (overall) any of the times they have controlled the presidency, congress or both. I think you are engaging in wishful thinking with that whole roots thing.

  12. Brad

    “Hard to see how this is going to hurt Rand Paul with the mainstream — in fact, it should help. These two facts – staffer resigning and jumping to the LP, and the LP affirming that Rand has never been a member – may help assure voters that Rand is not a CRAZY LIBERTARIAN!”

    I agree. It will also help the LP get attention. Sounds like a win-win.

  13. Brad

    “Clearly, this guy knows nothing of the difficulties of actually getting a libertarian-Republican like Rand Paul elected. Furthermore, he claims that him and Rand are still on good terms.”

    Christi is a female name.

  14. Brad

    ” The LP is dead and beginning to stink – the good people have left, and only the dummies who foisted Barr remain.”

    That’s not true at all.

  15. Brad

    “I don’t know that he will be able to do much even when elected. The political machine is large and more likely to mold individuals than be changed by them. Even a veteran of 20+ years in Congress hasn’t been able to significantly change the GOP, in fact it has gotten worse in that time.

    If he wants to get elected, the GOP is one way to go. If he wants to change the system, it is not the way to go.”

    That is partially true. Ron Paul IS starting to make some headway with things like Audit The Fed.

    We need to put pressure on teh major parties both fromm inside and from outside.

  16. Trent Hill

    “If he wants to get elected, the GOP is one way to go. If he wants to change the system, it is not the way to go.”

    Really? Which way would you suggest he go? The Libertarian Party route? The “principled campaign that loses” route? Neither of those seem any more likely to change the system. Ron Paul is on the brink of passing legislation to Audit the Fed–a major accomplishment and blow to the system. What has Gary Nolan done?

  17. Trent Hill

    I can agree, as a supporter of third parties, that libertarians need to put pressure on the major parties from inside and out. If they bind themselves to the Republicans–the Republicans will have no reason to pander to them. They must think, and act, independently. And occasionally that means supporting the more liberty-friendly Democrats, Independents, or Third Party candidates. However, Christi has done damage to the Rand Paul campaign (or at least, has tried) for no real reason other than she can’t comprehend basic election strategies. This goes back to the idea of many third party activists that one must call for the immediately abolition of the state (Libertarians), an immediate end to abortion and taxes (CPers), or universal single-payer healthcare tomorrow (Greens) in order to remain true to their principles. It is the politics of imbeciles and simpletons to demand such things, and it makes their candidates unelectable and their party distasteful to the voting public (not that I have good things to say about the majority of the voting populace). Christi is displaying rather childish attitudes and she’s hurting the rest of the liberty movement in the process.

  18. paulie Post author

    Trent,

    Off topic, I’ve tried to get your attention on this and have received no reply after several tries.

    I believe I have found the problem with the code as to why author names are not showing up on articles when you don’t get to them from the front page.

    The author name is there in the css file, just commented off.

    However, you need to get into the server to actually rewrite the file, even though it is a very simple revision, and you are the only one who can do that here.

  19. paulie Post author

    cannot think of a single issue where Libertarains agree with Democrats

    Not much has changed since 2006 when this was posted…

    http://freedomdemocrats.org/node/812


    Today, less than eighty days before Election Day, I am pleased to release the 2006 Freedom Democrats House Scorecard. This scorecard builds on the findings of our 2005 Scorecard, but makes significant changes in order to more accurately judge the House of Representatives. Before discussing the results, I would like to present the findings as displayed on the quintessential Nolan Chart.

    The two red dots in the libertarian quadrant are Ron Paul of Texas and Jeff Flake of Arizona. Democrat Melissa Bean of Illinois is just along the edge of the libertarian quadrant. Other notable members are Republicans Walter Jones of North Carolina and John Duncan of Tennessee, occupying the corner where Centrists, Libertarians, and Conservatives meet, and Democrat Jim Cooper of Tennessee, who is just south of the line between Centrists and Libertarians. The green dot is Independent Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The dark blue square is the average for the Democratic Party and the dark red square is the average for the Republican Party.
    A detailed discussion of the social and economic aspects of the scorecards, including votes, can be found elsewhere on the site. The focus here will be on the scorecard overall. In brief, key changes were made to the economic scorecard to find better votes on spending restraint. This explains the significant drop in economic scores for the Democratic Party.
    The graphic helps to illustrate that the Republican Party has largely become an authoritarian party, despite the fact that the two libertarian members still affiliate with the GOP. Only a small wing of the party remains true to conservative principles of fiscal restraint and economic freedom. In contrast, the Democratic Party is largely a liberal party with a more populist wing that includes many members who are not consistent in supporting civil liberties and social rights.
    Polling information from the Pew reveals that this parallels the situation among voters. Democratic activists tend to be united on economic issues but divided by social issues. The reverse is true of Republicans; the Pew notes the recent rise of so-called “big government conservatives.” With both parties attempting to appeal to “populists” or “authoritarians,” it is significant that the Republican Party was able to win both “populists” and “libertarians” by the same 60-40 margin in the 2004 election. It is the belief of Freedom Democrats that the Democratic Party would have greater success if it focused its attentions to libertarian voters.

    This scorecard is both good news and bad news for libertarian Democrats. The good news is that the Democratic Party as a whole is “more” libertarian than the Republican Party. There is a significant gap between the two parties on issues of personal liberty. The new scorecard shows both parties failing on economic issues, but with the Republicans slightly ahead. This is the bad news for libertarian Democrats, that much needs to be done to encourage greater fiscal responsibility within the party. The focus of libertarians within the Democratic Party should be on promoting fiscally responsible candidates.
    The two high scoring Democrats may show the way. Melissa Bean of Illinois is still in her first term; she defeated long time incumbent Phil Crane in 2004. Although more to the right on social issues than ideal, she has shown herself to be a staunch fiscal conservative (according to the old, traditional definition of the phrase). She has received a rare endorsement from the Chamber of Commerce, an organization that typically supports Republicans, in her reelection bid.
    Jim Cooper of Tennessee is also a deficit hawk and an opponent of wasteful spending. He has received media attention recently for pushing to publish the “Financial Report of the United States.” This report, which more accurately tracks the budget and future financial obligations like Social Security than traditional budget methods, will hopefully help inform voters about the reality of our country’s coming fiscal crisis.
    A file showing the social, economic, and average scores for each member of the House can be found here. A detailed discussion of the votes can be found on the pages for the social scorecard and the economic scorecard.

  20. paulie Post author

    I can agree, as a supporter of third parties, that libertarians need to put pressure on the major parties from inside and out. If they bind themselves to the Republicans–the Republicans will have no reason to pander to them. They must think, and act, independently. And occasionally that means supporting the more liberty-friendly Democrats, Independents, or Third Party candidates.

    Exactly.

    However, Christi has done damage to the Rand Paul campaign (or at least, has tried)

    I don’t think she either has done any damage, nor tried to. She just did not want to be a part of it anymore and that is all. Everyone has their own niche in the movement and she felt a need to change hers at this point in time.

    I would agree with comments above that making clear that Rand Paul is not a Libertarian will help his election chances.

    This goes back to the idea of many third party activists that one must call for the immediately abolition of the state (Libertarians), an immediate end to abortion and taxes (CPers), or universal single-payer healthcare tomorrow (Greens) in order to remain true to their principles. It is the politics of imbeciles and simpletons to demand such things, and it makes their candidates unelectable and their party distasteful to the voting public (not that I have good things to say about the majority of the voting populace).

    Actually, demanding radical changes allows mainstream politicians to find compromises in the middle and make incremental moves. That is the process the state-socialist movement used; they had both radical alternative parties demanding state-socialism tomorrow and more pragmatic politicians making incremental steps over time. Libertarians, small and big L, and other alternative viewpoints, should learn from that success.

    As Sun Tzu said, when you are in a position of weakness, negotiate from a position of strength; when you are in a position of strength, negotiate from a position of weakness.

  21. paulie Post author

    I don’t know that he will be able to do much even when elected.

    At a minimum, he can introduce bills in the Senate that his dad introduces in the House, get face time on TV, and possibly run in presidential primaries after his dad gets too old.

    I don’t think we need to necessarily knock those who are working from within to chamge the major parties. We just need to keep more radical pressure on them from the outside as well, so they have less incentive to cave.

  22. paulie Post author

    Other than keeping abortion legal, I can’t think of any issue where Libertarians and Democrats agree

    Here’s a list of issues I came up with for the LP. The Democrats tend to sell out these issues (just like the Republicans sell out economic freedom) but the constituencies that find most of them important tend to mistakenly vote for the Democrats as “the lesser evil.”

    http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2007/01/31/state-of-the-empire-2/

    >Another outreach piece from Susan Hogarth of
    LP Radicals.

    > So, anyway, my question fro you all is: what would YOU like to see on
    > the ‘hot issues’ page?
    >
    > –
    > Susan Hogarth

    Here are some starter points.

    The issues on your “taxes of evil” flyer.

    Bush impeachment, although SG tells me they would like to but can’t say anything because the weenie majority in Portland voted against it. [p2009: make that a special prosecutor for the Bush gang for war crimes now]

    A real investigation into 9/11.

    Iran, and other upcoming war/invasion/occupations.

    The military-industrial complex and “USA World Police” as a concept.

    Abusive, Corrupt, and Brutal Cops, the militarization of policing, and the prison-industrial complex.

    Prison rape.

    Corporate liability/personhood, and corporate-government partnerships.

    Industrial hemp’s environmental uses.

    Medical marijuana.

    Restoration of felon voting rights.

    Immigration freedom.

    Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, Total Information Awareness, Rendition, Torture, Secret Prisons, Suspension of habeas Corpus, Signing Statements, Warantless Wiretapping, etc.

    Eminent domain abuse, especially on behalf of corporations.

    Corporate welfare.

    Agricultural and petroleum company subsidies, along with mideast intervention, and hemp prohibition as barriers to energy independence, and causes of environmental destruction and war.

    Federal transportation spending, and item above, as causes of sprawl-related pollution.

    Regime interference in alternative medicine.

    Occupational licensing as a barrier to small businesses starting. Perverse incentives to keep health insurance tied to corporate employment, also a barrier to small business formation.

    The AMA medical cartel.

    Fully Informed Juries.

    Pollution by government, especially the military.

    REAL ID.

    Marriage Freedom.

    Youth Rights.

    Racial profiling by police and Homeland Security.

    Right to protest and petition; free speech zones.

    Self defense rights, especially in high crime areas and for ex-felons.

    Initiative and referendum.

    Black box voting; paper trails; vote fraud.

    Privacy rights, encryption.

    Overboard corporate copyright abuse (We own McAnything!).

    US Aid to foreign dictators.

    Black collar crime/JAIL for judges.

    Regime secrets and lies.

    Prevention of private charity by FEMA after Katrina.

    Forced disarmament and massive eminent domain abuse against intact houses after Katrina.

    The doctrine of preemptive/aggressive war.

    US war crimes.

    Depleted uranium and cover-up of health impacts.

    War tax resistance and other forms of civil disobedience.

    Civil asset forfeiture.

    Vice squad rapists.

    Narcotics squad dope dealers, and other corrupt pigs.

    State vs, fed control of national guard; the idea of states withdrawing national guard units from foreign wars.

    Biodiesel.

    Home schoolers rights.

    The national debt and the bankers funny money cartel.

    Not an exhaustive list, but it’s a start.

    To Infinity And Beyond!

    By Clay Bennett

  23. Trent Hill

    “The author name is there in the css file, just commented off.

    However, you need to get into the server to actually rewrite the file, even though it is a very simple revision, and you are the only one who can do that here.”

    Paulie–i’ll have our tech guy look into it. Thanks.

  24. Trent Hill

    “I don’t think she either has done any damage, nor tried to. She just did not want to be a part of it anymore and that is all. Everyone has their own niche in the movement and she felt a need to change hers at this point in time.”

    Sure. But sending out a letter to press outlets about how your candidate has supposedly sold out? C’mon, that’s meant to be injurious.

  25. Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective

    paulie // Jan 2, 2010:

    “I can agree, as a supporter of third parties, that libertarians need to put pressure on the major parties from inside and out. If they bind themselves to the Republicans–the GOP will have no reason to pander to them. ”

    “They must think, and act, independently. And occasionally that means supporting the more liberty-friendly Democrats, Independents, or Third Party candidates.

    ———– Exactly.”

    This was my mantra with the Deform Party/ Reform Party. I took a lot of flack from certain grossly anti Democratic Party individuals. [Sandra Madison of Fort Worthless Texas and Jeff Rainforth of Sacramento California ………]

    The Dems I supported were critical of the Establishment Duopoly and even the DNC! My critics, out side of FLorida, they were pretty much later switching to the GOP en mass! [AOK class, all together now ‘M – O – L – E’!]

  26. paulie Post author

    ” The LP is dead and beginning to stink – the good people have left, and only the dummies who foisted Barr remain.”

    Nonsense. The vast majority of those of us who backed other candidates for the nomination – in my case, Kubby until he was eliminated, than Ruwart on every ballot after that, and Kubby on every ballot for VP – are still in the LP.

    Every election, there are some people who leave and some people who join. This one was no different. Some of us are in it for the long haul while others hitch a ride and jump off. Others still go back and forth.

    The LP is much more than its presidential campaigns, much less just one such campaign.

    for example see

    http://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-officials

    (story coming up)

  27. Mik Robertson

    “Really? Which way would you suggest he go? The Libertarian Party route? The “principled campaign that loses” route? Neither of those seem any more likely to change the system. Ron Paul is on the brink of passing legislation to Audit the Fed–a major accomplishment and blow to the system.”

    Independent may be another option. Supporting the “two-party” system does not change it. We’ll see how much an audit of the federal reserve changes anything if in fact it ever happens. More transparency in the government itself would be an improvement.

  28. Trent Hill

    Mik,

    Just because one works from within the Two Party system, does not mean he supports it. Look to Ron Paul, Cynthia McKinney, etc for examples.

  29. paulie Post author

    Also posted in the comments at

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/01/wayne-root-top-10-conservatives-nv

    And as Ronald Reagan once said, “the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”

    Yeah, he said that, but he didn’t mean it and it isn’t true. The heart of conservatism is authoritarian – blind obedience to tradition and authority, based on faith and inertia. To the limited extent that the American tradition is one one of rebellion and classical liberalism, American conservatism has a libertarian streak, but it also has a strong streak of red state fascism. Root should stop confusing himself and/or others that libertarianism is conservatism or vice versa.

    Reagan is a case in point.

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/12/bill-redpath-don%E2%80%99t-waste-your-vote-vote-democratic/

    “I just read the recently published Recarving Rushmore, written by Ivan Eland of the small-l libertarian Independent Institute, in which he ranks forty presidents (too early in Obama’s presidency/Cleveland served twice/Garfield and William Henry Harrison both served less than a year) on a “PP&L (Peace, Prosperity & Liberty) scale.”

    “Dr. Eland’s goal is to judge presidents on the extent to which their actual policy decisions contributed to Peace, Prosperity & Liberty for the United States.”

    “But, what really struck me, as I reviewed Dr. Eland’s presidential rankings, was how low recent Republican presidents were on his PP&L scale. I know some people will dispute this, but Eland ranks Ronald Reagan as #34 (landing him in Eland’s “Bad President” category), and he has sensible reasons. Eland claims that the Iran/Contra scandal was worse than Watergate, Reagan did not reduce big government, started “surreptitiously” raising taxes soon after his 1981 tax cuts were enacted, and helped keep Social Security limping along in 1983 (with tax increases, of course) when he could have worked to privatize it. Dr. Eland also thinks Reagan’s role in ending the Cold War was overblown, and that the Soviet Union failed largely on its own. Other low recent Republican president rankings (W. at #36, H. W. at #33 and Nixon at #30) are no surprise.

    What is somewhat surprising is that Dr. Eland ranks Jimmy Carter as “The Best Modern President” at #8 (restrained foreign policy/evenhanded Middle East policy/deregulated industries/appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed, who then slayed inflation). Eland even ranked Bill Clinton as the 11th best president on his PP&L scale, so he thinks that over the last forty years, Democratic presidents have actually been more libertarian than Republican presidents.

    According to Dr. Eland, to find a Republican president who ranks higher in his PP&L rankings than Jimmy Carter, one must go all the way back to Warren Harding. ”

    In my comments on that post:

    Reagan: Great speaker, terrible president.

    I generally agree with Eland’s rankings, and am very glad that Redpath is using LP News and LP.org to help set the record straight.

    I would rank the presidents, especially the recent ones, about where he does.

    Of three broad policy areas (in order of importance: peace, civil liberties and economic issues), Reagan was very good compared to most mainstream major party politicians ON PAPER ONLY on economic issues, although not good at all in practice (budgets grew drastically, left lots of debt, raised taxes on poor and blue collar folks, allowed a massive S&L ripoff).

    Om peace and civil liberties, he never even pretended to be libertarian – quite the opposite.

    Eland is also correct about Reagan getting credit he does not deserve on the cold war.

    And as Tom Blanton pointed out: (Reagan) eliminat[ed] tax deductions for the middle class, (left us with) large deficits, escalat[ed] the drug war, covert military ops in other nations, and increas[ed] FICA taxes.

    I would also add the massive S&L scandal.

    The historical roots of libertarianism are on the left.

    As Long concludes that piece, quoting Spangler:

    Genuine libertarianism is very much left wing. It’s revolutionary. The long and tragic alliance of libertarians with the right against the spectre of state socialism is coming to a close, as it served no purpose after the fall of the Soviet Union and so-called “conservatives” have subsequently taken to letting their true big-government-on-steroids colors fly…. [I]n the period since the demise of the Soviet Union, both the radicals and moderates among the left have been subconsciously seeking a new radical creed to orient themselves upon to replace Marxism…. I believe that radical libertarians … will be most effective when they overcome any lingering right wing cultural contamination of their libertarian views and embrace their inherent radicalism — which is most at home on the left. For as the radicals go, so do the moderates grudgingly follow in small steps…. It’s time for libertarians to stop fighting the left and take up the challenge of leading the left.

  30. libertarianblue

    I know alot of Libertarians at Freedoms Phoneix were shocked when Rand supported keeping Enemy Combatants in Gitmo.

  31. paulie Post author

    i wouldn’t just automatically assume he agrees with his father on every issue. He is his own man with his own opinions, many of which I don’t know.

  32. Mik Robertson

    @31 “Just because one works from within the Two Party system, does not mean he supports it. Look to Ron Paul, Cynthia McKinney, etc for examples.”

    Of course it does. Ron Paul running and serving in the Republican Party allows that party to say they represent the ideas he espouses, and that they are inclusive in their outlook and support libertarian ideas, which is nonsense.

    If there was not some advantage to the political machine for Ron Paul to be there, he would not be there. He will never be the Party’s presidential nominee, as was evidenced last year, nor will he ever hold a leadership position in Congress. Much of the party leadership dislikes him.

    The same can be said of Cynthia McKinney, although she had the sense to stop supporting the system. Dennis Kucinich may be another example of the exception that confirms the rule.

    This doesn’t mean that some positive changes cannot be made from within the system, but changing the system itself is not one of them.

  33. Trent Hill

    Christi,

    So? His campaign manager said he was finding out who his friends are and some random Facebook friend named Christi and Gillespie? Big deal. This isn’t, and won’t be, the big campaign scandal that the Grayson campaign wants it to be.

    The Grayson campaign, and the Democratic ones, aren’t going to get anywhere by trying to portray Rand or his campaign as inefficient or mismanaged. If that is so–a mismanaged campaign is beating theirs by by 6-19%.

  34. paulie Post author

    From Christi’s link,

    now he’s leaving comments from friends on his Facebook wall that personally trash Christi Gillespie

    Good lord. Who in the world has time to go through all their comments on everything they post on facebook and delete some of them?

    That does not sound like a productive use of a campaign manager’s time.

    And the campaign manager knew about stupid anonymous racist comments on a former staffer’s unmaintained myspace page in the morning, but later said he didn’t know about it til evening? Yeah, that’s a world class scandal alright.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been on the receiving end of a lot of dumb, petty crap while working on campaigns, but posting stuff like that just makes you look petty yourself.

    I know stuff like that can get real personal and ugly, and I can’t say I have not been sucked into responding in kind, but it’s still best avoided whenever possible – nothing good comes of it.
    Not to claim any moral superiority or to say I am completely cured of the tendency at all, but I am definitely speaking from experience.

  35. Jake

    “Apparently, she left because Rand is now ditching his message of reform and is now planning on kissing Mitch McConnell’s ass.”

    This is so childish. I would drop my support of Rand Paul if he immaturely and inappropriately started attacking a GOP elected official that was in no way involved in this senate race. Mitch stayed neutral after Rand turned out to be a viable candidate (hence no fund raiser in December) and this psychopathic staffer wanted Rand to throw a hissy fit? It makes no coherent sense.

    She should’ve been fired sooner. And if anything this makes me respect Rand more. Instead of pretending to be nice to Mitch in public and privately s-talking him, he had the courage to tell his staffers “NO, do NOT attack Mitch.” Ron Paul always says to attack the policy and not the person.

    She will do well in the LP party, ala the party of perverts (see Bob Barr).
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bob+barr+whip+cream&btnG=Google+Search

  36. Jake

    “Does this idiot think that Ron Paul went out in 1976 and started bashing the most popular GOP figures? Or in 1996? It’s ridiculous.”

    If the Party of Perverts (LP) wants to go down the mud-slinging root then let them. Hire more people like Christi while you’re at it. It won’t get you anywhere.

    I know I’m going to register Republican. I advise all Right-Wing fringe parties to dissolve and change the GOP. Our goal is REFORMATION with Libertarian ideas. Whether you’re Pro-War & Libertarian domestically (Chuck DeVore, Eric Dondero) or non-interventionist (Ron Paul) it doesn’t matter at this point. We both want to limit the size of government and thanks to the tea party movement have a very REAL goal of getting this done.

  37. paulie Post author

    Jake,

    What’s so perverted about licking whipped cream off nipples?

    Sounds innocuous to me.

    Besides, Barr was a Republican then.

    You want to talk perverts in politics?

    Here you go.

  38. paulie Post author

    If the Party of Perverts (LP)

    I’ll tell you what. You whip out your list of Libertarian perversion. I’ll whip out a list of Republican perversion. Wanna take any bets on whose will be bigger?

    LOL.

    I advise all Right-Wing fringe parties to dissolve and change the GOP.

    We are not a right wing fringe party. Scroll up and read.

    Whether you’re Pro-War & Libertarian domestically or non-interventionist it doesn’t matter at this point. We both want to limit the size of government

    You are not going to limit the size of government with a massive military spending a trillion dollars a year, creating enemies abroad and a growing Heimland Security/surveillance state at home. That is just ridiculous.

  39. Michael H. Wilson

    The list of perverts who are member of the GOP is way more than could be listed here. Maybe they are everywhere but they seem to be crawling out of the elephants hide. It would be funny except these people have harmed a lot of children in many cases.

  40. paulie Post author

    Trent

    i’ll have our tech guy look into it. Thanks.

    in the dashboard (only you can see this file):

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-admin/theme-editor.php?file=/themes/cutline-3-column-split-11/single.php&theme=Cutline+3-Column+Split

    This line (I’m changing angle brackets to square so it shows up)


    [h4][?php the_time(‘F jS, Y’) ?][!– by < ?php the_author() ?> –]

    The comment tags need to be removed (!–, –).

    It says “You need to make this file writable before you can save your changes. See the Codex for more information.”

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Changing_File_Permissions

    That would require server access, not just the dashboard, as far as I can tell.

  41. Johncjackson

    “Whether you’re Pro-War & Libertarian domestically (Chuck DeVore, Eric Dondero) or non-interventionist (Ron Paul) it doesn’t matter at this point.”

    WTF? Whether you support big government or small government it doesn’t matter. Whether you support state violence or not it doesn’t matter. Whether you support individual rights or not, it doesn’t matter. We are all in this together for a big teabag party. The fuck?

  42. Sean Scallon

    So Rand should spend his time running for a GOP nomination by ripping Mitch McConnell? Only LPer would think that would be an effective strategy.

  43. paulie Post author

    No, I do not think that would be effective. But I don’t know the full story or what led to that campaign policy for staffers. Was the campaign telling people what to do in their private time unrelated to the campaign?

  44. Trent Hill

    Sean,

    Exactly. It is the words of someone who does not understand politics and has no real grasp of electoral strategy. If Christi ran Rand Paul’s campaign, he’d be sitting at 6%.

  45. Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective

    Michael H. Wilson // Jan 3, 2010:
    “….. perverts who are member of the GOP ……”

    This is an area which I can not personally address! How ever former U of Kansas athletic great Jim Ryun [unelected] and former U of Mizzou Naval Aviator Ace ‘Puke’ Cunningham [federal felon] do have/ had a reputation concerning peculiarity and or odd ballness …..

  46. rhys

    wow, that’s such a trite thing to do for this Christie girl. cry and quit cause they wont do things her way? She probably wanted to get nasty, and say things like “McConnel is a evil statist who only wants to enslave the human race and bound them to the leaches of the banking establishment and NWO… go Alex Jones!” I wish she didn’t poo-poo everything when she quit…. because no one would have noticed her absence anyway.

  47. Lisa Graas

    I am a conservative Kentuckian, an activist for Sarah Palin and a Tea Party member supporting Bill Johnson, the only true choice for conservatives in this race.

    Rand Paul’s foreign policy has been indistinguishable from that of the far left but he’s now flip-flopping to get conservative votes. I have respect for Gillespie. She did the right thing. Johnson has always been a conservative and is going against the Ron Paul machine AND the Mitch McConnell machine here in Kentucky. He’s put up his own money to fight for conservative values. Pro-life, pro-energy infrastructure (fossil fuels), and fiscally conservative………we need Bill Johnson representing Kentuckians in the Senate. http://kentuckybill.com

  48. paulie Post author

    As Linn and Ari Armstrong write in the Grand Junction Free Press,

    Conservatives are a strange bunch. They support free trade, except when they want to outlaw or restrict select medicinal plants or forcibly stop employers from hiring willing workers of their choice.

    Conservatives support freedom of conscience, except when they want to censor what they declare to be obscene works, punish the mishandling of the flag, or force people to fund religious programs with which they disagree.

    Conservatives advocate strong national defense, except when they support a war the president declares unwinnable, along with years of “nation building” at the expense of American lives.

    Conservatives endorse federalism, except when they want the national government to tell states how to handle marriage.

    Conservatives uphold independence, except when they call on politicians to imprison women for getting an abortion.

    Conservatives tout the dignity of the individual, unless that individual happens to be gay or a brown-skinned laborer from Mexico.

  49. Jay

    Paulie,

    All great points, I couldn’t have said it better. Rand seems much less libertarian than his father. Rand calls for increasing the size of the military.

    I like #32. I’ll have to find a higher resolution copy of that one.

    Jay

  50. Libervention Price Club

    No, not holding my breath.

    I actually like the whole breathing thing and everything 🙂

  51. Robert Capozzi

    Hmmm, 2 more things:

    1) Is Christi related to Nick?

    2) It seems odd that she wants to attack McConnell and the GOP. Wasn’t her candidate running for the R nomination? Seems like awfully bad form to attack one’s own party, yes?

  52. paulie Post author

    1. Unlikely, but anything’s possible. She said her background is in the Republican Party of Kentucky for 15 years.

    2. Since Paul is not running against McConnell, he would be best off in not attacking him. I am hypothesizing that perhaps campaign manager Adams told staffers they were not allowed to say anything bad about McConnell on their own time, separate from the campaign? I really don’t know the background of what led to this campaign policy or what the issue was.

  53. Don Lake .......... More Liars among the Bible crew

    “Mark Foley resigned in October 2006, following revelations he had sent sexually explicit e-mails to teenage congressional pages, Ryun contended that he barely knew Foley, had never spent time with him, and was unaware that they lived directly across the street from each other in Washington, D.C. ”

    “I know that [we were neighbors] only because somebody has mentioned that, too, already,” he told reporters at the time. However, it was later revealed that Ryun and Foley had hosted a joint fundraiser on their street on May 18, 2006, called the “D Street Block Party.”

    “An invitation to the fundraiser included side-by-side pictures of Ryun and Foley. Ryun’s campaign manager later admitted that Ryun had always known he was Foley’s neighbor.[21]
    [edit] References”

    [ah the lying sacks of shit mouthing ‘mysinformation’ while hugging their Bibles ……]

  54. ken moellman

    Hi. Just wanted to clarify that LPKY doesn’t dislike Rand Paul. Officially we have no opinion, so that we may comply with FEC regulations.

    Meanwhile, I’ve met him personally. We don’t go out drinking on Tuesday nights or anything, but there’s no animosity between the camps.

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