Don Grundmann: ‘American Independent Party debate challenge issued’

Emailed by Don Grundmann to contact.ipr@gmail.com:

Mr. Noonan – With this letter I issue an official debate challenge to you regarding the upcoming primary election for United States Senate candidate of the American Independent Party. Said debate will be filmed and recorded for placement upon YouTube and all other possible outlets so that American Independent Party voters throughout the state may see the debate at their convienience.

Of course you may be assured that in such debate I will highlight your actions as the most corrupt Chairman in the history of the American Independent Party, your role in deliberately filing false documents with the California Secretary of State office in order to deceive that office regarding the true status of the American Independent Party, your associated support for and aid in committing the crime of Grand Theft fraud against the Party, and your cowardice in betraying the Party to the corrupt elements which are currently attempting to destroy both the Party and the 3rd party conservative movement in the nation as a whole. Your cowardice will be especially noted in conjunction with the fake ” vote ” which you performed in order to deceive the Secretary of State office in order to advance your criminal activities.

As a self-proclaimed candidate to be the representative of the American Independent Party for the office of United States Senator you should welcome the chance to debate your primary opponent. My prediction is that your characteristic cowardice will take priority and that you will refuse to debate since you know that to do so would expose your criminal actions, your criminal and sociopathic character, and especially open you and your criminal co-conspirators to legal action and appropriate punishment for your actions when such are exposed in the debate. In regard to this you can be assured that I will use the debate to advance both current and future civil and criminal actions against you and your criminal companions. In short the debate will expose you, to both American Independent Party voters and any juries involved in ongoing or future legal proceedings, for the cowardly and treasonous liar that you are.

Your mere so-called candidacy brings immense shame upon the American Independent Party for having such an openly criminal and corrupt person such as yourself claim to represent the party in any way. By your criminal Chairmanship and your fraudulent ” candidacy ” you and your ultra corrupt criminal co-conspirators have lowered the beyond honorable name and reputation of the American Independent Party into a below the bottom of the barrel position of shame, disgrace, and ridicule within the political dialogue of our nation. Rather than holding the spotless position which the party has always maintained in the political scene of our state and nation our Party is now, due to you and your personal corruption, rightly portrayed as the most corrupt political party in the state if not the nation.

I look forward to your refusal to debate as public confirmation of the cowardice you so often and continuously display.

Don J. Grundmann, D.C., M.H., C.C.S.P., C.C.E.P., FICPA
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28 thoughts on “Don Grundmann: ‘American Independent Party debate challenge issued’

  1. Buck Turgidson

    Will this event be in The Lincoln-Douglas format? Or, Will this be in the Octagon just like a UFC Event. Just wondering.

  2. Your Words .......... Lake

    and out and out fear of Doctor Grundmann’s ultimate ‘debate’ ……….

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    DALLAS – A Texas man faces charges after he filed documents in federal court threatening to use deadly force to stop an abortion if the U.S. Supreme Court didn’t immediately act to outlaw the practice, federal officials said Monday.

    Erlyndon Joseph “Joey” Lo, 27, of Plano, filed documents there Friday saying his religious beliefs entitled him to use deadly force to prevent an abortion.

    He listed the name of a clinic, its address and the time he was going to show up — noon that day.”

    If Doctor Donald J. Grundmann eventually gets a Dog Bus ticket to Wichita, Kansas, to kill a pregnant woman considering an abortion, would that be the ultimate irony ??????

  3. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: Cody Quirk,

    Will you be the first to buy one of the $20 tickets to the debate? Fifty percent of the gate goes to Ed Noonan in a hall holding 5,000 people, viz., $50,000 flat for Noonan min. and
    THREE DATES DON GRUNDMANN gets to keep the over flow above the first 5,000 seats for covering the entire costs of the event. It most be in Northern California. AIP is having
    a national convention on July 13, 201o that might be an after event. But where to have it?
    Any ideas Cody?

    Next, do you now understand that the other officer of the state convention are only in office
    the day of the convention?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  4. Party Traitors Exposed .......... by Lake

    With the warmer [ southern California ] climate I have long sleeved tee and sweat blue shirts that I can donate for printing anti (do nothing, FORMER SOS director) Chelene Nightingale campaign shirts. What is the best address to ship them.

    I am willing to go all over coastal and southern Sandy Ego County [including and especially border crossings] and have photo graphs taken in anti Chelene garb. If my sweet heart can up date her digital camera then we could load the flash drive and email same!

    If you wish to send me pro Mark and or anti Chelene shirts, then XX is an appropriate size!

  5. Don Grundmann

    The ultra corrupt liar Mark Seidenberg, whose personal corruption is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeys.blogspot.com., is referring in his above post to the cowardly Ed Noonan refusing to accept my debate challenge and making instead a ludicrous demand for 5,000 people to attend the debate. Ed Noonan has never organized 50 people in his existence except when they came together to tell him that he was a jerk. If I organized 5,000 people tomorrow for a debate the cowardly Ed Noonan would still back out because he knows that in the debate I would expose the corruption of him, Mark Seidenberg, and Mark Robinson and the criminality of their actions in their attack against the American Independent Party. I would not only expose how they have been lying from the first second of their attack but I would use the information in both our current and future lawsuits against them. Additionally I have already organized over 36,000 people who have visited the website TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. to be educated regarding the crimes and criminality of Noonan, Robinson, and Seidenberg. If these 3 criminals were telling the truth then Ed Noonan would instantly accept my debate challenge in order to use the opportunity to show how truthful he and his fellow criminals are. He would accept my challenge to put the debate on YouTube so that his truthfulness could be shown to AIP voters and everyone else throughout the state. A YouTube debate would have far more than 5,000 viewers. They would welcome the opportunity to show how my charges against them are wrong. Instead they run like dogs from the opportunity to show how truthful they are. This is totally understandable since they know how truthful I am when I describe them as ultra corrupt liars, criminals, and cowards.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  6. Don Grundmann

    No surprise that Stupid Don Lake promotes, endorses, and is in total harmony with ultra corrupt criminals like Mark Robinson. Just as he rushes to the defense of child molestors
    he will rush to the defense of political molestors like Mark Robinson.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  7. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: Cody Quirk,

    I was thinking of the Cow Palace in San Francisco-Daly City. It seats 16,500 in the historic Arena. I was there in 1964. It would
    be a great place to see the debate. Just think
    if Grundmann can draw them in there will be
    a gate of $330,000 and Grundmann can keep
    $280,000 less expenses. Senator Goldwater
    and Gov. Nelson who cheated on his wife, filled
    that Arena.

    No wait, at the last Alameda County Central Committee meeting of
    the AIP that Don Grundmann spoke at there
    was a overflow crowd of two, Grundmann and
    the AIP Alameda County Chairman.

    Therefore he needs to find 4,999 more people.
    Maybe the electors that voted for him in the past will pay & show up.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party; Chairman, Orange
    County AIP Central Committee; National Committeeman AIP; Executive Committeeman
    of the America’s Independent Party (national
    affiliate of AIP) & 2008 Chairman of the AIP
    Convention in Sacramento, CA on July 5, 2010.
    [A.A., B.A., M.B.A., M.S.A., D.B.A.] {same numbers as THREE DATES DON} But mine are
    all real.

    P.S. Cody, do you know what Don Grundmann is
    directing at the “San Francisco Bay Area Freedom Law School”? I only taught at two
    community colleges in California, before going
    to work in the Reagan Administration in the 80’s
    at the United States Department of Agriculture.

  8. Cody Quirk

    Ed wants 5,000 people or else he won’t do it? Yeah, I’m on Mr. Grundmann’s side here- this apostate needs to be exposed.

  9. Mark Seidenberg

    TOCody Quirk, No Ed Wants 5,000 ticket sold a $20 a piece and
    $50,000 for the campaign to the US Senate.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party.

    P.S. Again do you still believe that the other officers of the convention are in office more than the one day of the convention?

    What is the legal reason for using “Constitution
    :Party of California” as a name when it is a suspended political body in California with only five electors the last time I checked with the OC
    Registrar of Voters?

  10. Don Grundmann

    Cody – You can see how clearly the cowardice of Noonan, Robinson, and Seidenberg is exposed. To simply have a debate and put it on YouTube would be a golden opportunity for them to defend themselves and show that everything that I say is wrong. Yet, like the cowardly dogs that they are, they give their silly excuse to justify their running away. They talk of 5,000. Is that the size of the crowds that their champion Mark Robinson or the coward Ed Noonan speak in front of? Or is it 500? Or is it 50? Or is it 5? None of those as it is less than 5. Meanwhile Chelene Nightingale is speaking to crowds and events throughout the state and getting endorsements from all over – even from Democratic and Republican candidates for Governor who say that if they don’t win the nomination of their party they will support Chelene. She is inspiring crowds throughout the state while the human turds Robinson and Noonan hide behind computers for their ” campaign ” because they know that in any actual human interaction the voters would be repulsed by them. That is why they don’t even go to the Sacramento County Central Committee meetings. Robinson was there once in the past year and Noonan was never there. Of course Robinson has been in hiding for months as he was busy being his usual cowardly self trying to escape legal papers service. We still caught up with the rat when he came out of his rat hole and he has been served. I have been to the meeting at least 6 times and I live twice the distance away from the meeting that they do. Bottom line – they are ultra cowardly, ultra liars, and ultra evil. They will be defeated.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  11. Mark these Doctor Goo Goo words .......... by Lake

    ” they are ultra cowardly, ultra liars, and ultra evil. They [Noonan and the Alan Keyes crowd] will be defeated.”

    ——- Don J. Grundmann, 2010

    “Chuck Baldwin, and only Baldwin, will be on the California AIP ballot on November 2008 general vote[s]”

    ——– Don J. Grundmann, 2008

    [Yeah, yeah, yeah ……….]

  12. Mark these Doctor Goo Goo words .......... by Lake

    out and out insanity ………..

    “Chelene Nightingale is speaking to crowds and events throughout the state and getting endorsements from all over – even from Democratic and Republican candidates for Governor who say that if they don’t win the nomination of their party they will support Chelene. She is inspiring crowds throughout the state”

    The invisible candidate and the invisible campaign! What campaign stops ????????? What Democan and Republicrat ‘cross over’ candidates ?????????

    Absolutely insane ……..

    Just more evidence that this guy does not need to be seeing medical patients ………

  13. Don Grundmann

    Stupid Don Lake, who doesn’t know his posterior from a hole in the ground on any topic, could easily verify that my comments regarding Chelenes campaign are completely accurate. But since that would require WORK he does what he, being STUPID, ALWAYS does -make stupid, nitwit, assinine comments that no only have no basis in reality but are ( no surprise here ) in reverse of it. If he is so concerned about veterans health as he claims to be then why not run for office and use it as a platform to aid veterans health? Answer – because he is a lazy fool who will attack Chelene ( who can run circles around him as the ultra hard worker that she is ) rather than do anything positive. If Chelene is ” invisible,” even with her own hard work day after day, then what is Don Lake? A stupid fool who sits on his butt and does absolutely nothing constructive while he smears the incredibly hard working Chelene. A total nitwit turd who does nothing for his proclaimed cause. Chelene will be battling far more for the health of veterans and everyone else than Stupid Don Lake could or would possibly do.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  14. liarliarpantsonfire!

    Chelene speaks to crowds and then shoves her empty skippy peanut jar..to fill up with $$$$$$ because Ms. “thing” needs MONEY MONEY MONEY
    SEND MONEY!!!!! SOS SOS SOS
    The bankrupt damsel NEEDS YOUR MONEY!!!! $$$$$$$$ (what a racket) she can gobble up donations and btw (they are not tax deductible) she clearly states on her DONATION PAGE!!! what a racket sheesh…..many people see through this racket….ahahha

  15. Don Grundmann

    Stupid Don Lake – When people campaign for office they need money to pay for the campaign. EVERYBODY knows that – except Stupid Don Lake. Yet another in a galactically long line of moronic nitwit comments. As I said before and you ( again ) demonstrate above – you put the capital S in Stupid.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  16. Mark Seidenberg

    TO: General Buck “Bucky” Turgidson,

    We will have hearings on August 13 & 25, 2010 in the Solano County Superior Court in Fairfield,
    CA in KING v. ROBINSON. Grundmann claims that his Brewtown lawyers have always been admitted to the California Bar. That would mean
    from their birth.

    James King had a Brewtown lawyer spend an entire day at $450 an hour in the Town of Fairfax, Marin County (48 miles for the legal
    activities doing no productive work, when the
    legal issues were going on in Solano County 48
    miles away.

    So KNEE JERK Grundmann needs his own black
    leg brace glove to control his right leg (with the
    mind of its own) to prevent it from kneeing chairs in front of him in Department 2 of the
    Solano Superior Court.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  17. Stop it, stop it, stop it .......... Lake

    Mark Seidenberg // Apr 17, 2010:
    ” KNEE JERK Grundmann needs his own black
    leg brace glove to control his right leg (with the
    mind of its own) to prevent it [Lake: him] from kneeing chairs in front of him in Department 2 of the Solano Superior Court.”

    (Quit making fun of the disabled, especially the morally impaired! Have Mary fill out a sworn declaration, with or with out a Certified Notary Public blessing, on the incident[s].

    Digital cameras are in the mail, you may keep, via Tish Firmiss, whom has yet to register, but I am working on her. If I offer her hot sex, will I legally be in trouble ????????? Inquiring minds ……….. )

    (Is it true that Doctor Goo Goo is the ‘love child’ of Peter Sellers and Doctor Strange Love [and their black leather arm glove] ???????)

    “Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party (Er, ah, um, Markie, aren’t you connected with the [non existent] CONSTITUTION PARTY of California ??????????? Oh, never mind!)

  18. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Lake,

    In 1963, I was in North Africa. I went to the mess of an Algerian ship. A group of locals
    sailing to France and went into the mess and
    would not sit in the chairs and sat on the floor
    under the table and removed the chairs from
    the area. They did not sit in the chairs, because
    either that was not part of the culture or it was
    new to them.

    Dr. Stranglove can control his limbs because they had a mind of their own. Grundmann knows how to seat in a chair, he acts as if he
    can not control his limbs. Thats why he needs
    a wheel chair that he can be braced into, so he
    will not do knee jurks in backs of chairs I am
    sitting in. My view was not to make fun of disabled people. I was a teacher of disabled
    people in the Los Angeles Unified School Distict
    in the mid-1970’s. The issue related to the wheel
    chair relates to Dr. Strangelove who could not
    control his limbs, because they had a mind of their own.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party.

  19. Don Grundmann

    Mark Seidenrat – I never sat behind you and yet you lie regarding what happened in the court. Yet another illustration of what a psychotic liar you are.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  20. "Chelene 'Do Nothing' Nightingale" .......... Lake

    Mark Seidenberg // Apr 18, 2010:
    “……….. My view was not to make fun of disabled people. I was a teacher of disabled
    people in the Los Angeles Unified School District in the mid-1970’s ……….”

    Lake:

    [a] it was a set up for the phrase ‘morally impaired’!

    [b] We probably know peeps in da biz! How often did you work with Speech and Hearing specialists ?????

    [c] Thanks for the phone call. Again, cancel the tee shirt order!

  21. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Lake:

    California Election Code section 7561 states: “If
    a person is a delegate to the State Convention and quilified independently of that fact to be a
    delegate by reason of the most recent election at
    which he or she became a delegate. The resulting vacancy shall be filled pursuant to
    sectio 7557.

    Don Grundmann was elected as a “nominee delegate” at the primary election in 2006 for U. S. Senate. On September 3, 2006, Don Grundmann was elected a National Committeeman of the American Independent
    Party at a meeting of the American Independent
    Party States Central Committee at Rancho Cordova, Sacramento County, California.

    Thereby causing the post of “Nominee Delegate”
    for the United States Senate to have a vacancy.

    Don Grundmann therefore ended his AIP Status as a “Nominee Delegate” on September 3, 2006,
    and his status as a delegate because of the September 3, 2006 election a National Committeeman kicked in until the term ended on
    September 2-3, 2008 at mid-night.

    Don Grandmann is not a “Nominee Delegate” at
    this time. To my best research he is not on the AIP State Central Committee currently.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

    P.S., The above is what I plan give Credentials Committee of the AIP State Convention for 2010.
    I plan to submit then to the Proxies and Credential Committee of the AIP State Central
    Committee.

    If Don Grundmann has facts to show he is entitled to be seated in 2010. Please post reasons now.

  22. Don Grundmann

    So Mark SeidenRat exposes the already known plan that anyone who opposes the corruption of MarkRat Robinson will not be allowed to vote at the convention. Why? They will dream up any excuse to make it happen and will then say – ” If you don’t like it then sue us!!!” They will have their Republican lawyers defend their corruption in court – just like they are doing now. An honest convention? Not a chance since they know they would be voted out at any HONEST convention. They know that their only hope is to keep right on lying.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  23. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Grundmann

    You just do not want to understand my post # 27.

    You termed out of the State Central Committee.
    Your last day on the AIP State Central Committee was September 2, 2008. Only delegates will be seated at the State Convention.
    You are not a delegate to the 2010 State Convention, therefore you will not be permitted
    in the 2010 State Convention of the American
    Independent Party.

    There is no “plan that anyone who opposes” any
    one “will not be allowed to vote at the” AIP
    Convention. The issue is will Don Grundmann
    have entry to the 2010 Convention of the
    American Independent Party.

    ANSWER: Not unless he provides creditentials
    that he DON GRUNDMANN is a delegate to the
    2010 AIP Convention. He will not get creditentials from me.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

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