Wayne Root: ‘The Mosque at Ground Zero: So Now Obama Cares About the Constitution?’

The Mosque at Ground Zero: So Now Obama Cares About the Constitution?

Why Now? Violating the Constitution Never Bothered Him Before?

Obama is Aligned Against Police Union, Mafia, the Village People…AND Harry Reid!

By Wayne Allyn Root, Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee and 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee

This would be funny if it wasn’t so sad and hypocritical. When it comes to the Mosque at Ground Zero, Obama is suddenly concerned with the Constitution? Why now? This mosque will never be built. When you have the police, mafia, Village People, AND Harry Reid all aligned against it, it’s safe to say it’s not going to happen. And I think it’s also safe to say Obama just waded into the biggest mistake of his political career. He just cemented his fate as a one-term President by ignoring the opinions of about 70% of 300 million common-sense, deeply-offended Americans.

Let’s take a look a look at just a few of the cases where Obama has ignored or violated the Constitution as President:

Obama didn’t care about the law or Constitution when he threw the bondholders, shareholders and secured creditors of GM and Chrysler under the bus so he could hand majority ownership to his union cronies that bankrupted and destroyed them in the first place. But hey, what’s a little violation of the Constitution when you can pay off your biggest campaign contributors?

Obama didn’t care about the law or Constitution when he passed universal healthcare and forced American citizens at gunpoint (with the help of 18,000 new IRS agents) to buy healthcare, pay a fine, or go to jail. But hey, what’s a little violation of the Constitution when you can pay off your big healthcare and health insurance contributors? And don’t forget the biggest beneficiaries of Obamacare- the trial lawyers. Obama made them billions by refusing to allow tort reform in the healthcare bill.

Obama didn’t care about the law or Constitution when he raised taxes on everyone to pay for universal healthcare- EXCEPT union employees. But hey, Lincoln saved the union. Obama has pledged to do everything in his power to save the union too- the government employees union, even if it means violating the rights of every non-union employee and taxpayer in America.

Obama didn’t care about the law or Constitution when he asked the United States Justice Department to sue Arizona for simply enforcing U.S. immigration law. Obama broke the rule of law and violated the Constitution when he asked the United States Justice Department to sue Arizona for simply enforcing U.S. immigration law already on the books. Don’t forget who joined the side of Obama and the U.S. in the lawsuit versus one of our own states- MEXICO. Here’s an idea. What Obama should have done instead is secure our borders and sue Mexico for the billions of dollars America’s taxpayers are forced to pay annually for the welfare, education, medical care, Medicare and Social Security of Mexican citizens here illegally.
Where is THAT lawsuit, Mr. President?

Obama didn’t care about the law or Constitution when he demanded an end to an entire industry- offshore oil drilling- in response to the first accident in more than 40 years. So far two courts have overturned that temporary ban. Eventually the Supreme Court will overturn it as well. But those violations of the Constitution, costing over100,000 jobs and bankrupting hundreds of oil industry and main street small businesses, never bothered Obama- not when his violations make his big campaign contributors in the environmental lobby happy and keep their wallets full.

Obama didn’t care about the law or Constitution when he bailed out banks and Wall Street firms with trillions of dollars of taxpayer money. But hey, what’s a little violation of the Constitution when you can reward your biggest campaign contributors on Wall Street? Or were you not aware that Senator Obama was among the biggest beneficiaries of contributions from AIG, Goldman Sacks and the banking industry?

Obama didn’t care about the law or Constitution when he named “Czars” to oversee the entire U.S. economy, thereby bypassing Congressional oversight. If the people that run our lives are called “Czars,” doesn’t that make us “serfs?” I doubt that’s what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the Constitution as a document that limited the powers of the federal government?

Obama didn’t care about the law or Constitution when he included a clause in the just-passed financial reform bill that mandates affirmative action when banks give out small business loans. Or, don’t you think forcing banks to loan shareholder’s money to one racial group, regardless of their assets, credit history, or ability to repay, might be a violation of the Constitution? But hey, what’s a little violation of the Constitution when you can reward one racial group that votes 90% for Obama with other people’s money?

All these violations of the U.S. Constitution didn’t bother Obama (a former Constitutional law professor), yet now when the issue involves Muslims building a mosque steps from Ground Zero, where 3000 American heroes died, Obama suddenly cares about the Constitution? Interesting how our fearless leader doesn’t hesitate to fleece or violate taxpayers, small business owners, corporations, shareholders, investors, secured creditors, States, and law-abiding Americans, but when the situation involves an issue or group he supports, suddenly the Constitution matters.

On November 2nd Obama, the entire Democratic Congress, and a record-setting number of incumbents of both parties, will find out how all this selective violation of the Constitution and the rights of certain Americans plays out with the (no longer so) Silent Majority of American taxpayers and voters. Here’s my prediction- Obama’s larger-than-life ego is about to be violated in ways he cannot even imagine.

Wayne Allyn Root was the 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate. He now serves on the Libertarian National Committee (LNC) and as Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee (LNCC). He writes for the Las Vegas Review Journal and is a regular guest on FOX News. His new book is entitled, “The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gambling & Tax Cuts.” For more of Wayne’s views, commentaries, or to watch his many national media appearances, please visit www.ROOTforAmerica.com.

121 thoughts on “Wayne Root: ‘The Mosque at Ground Zero: So Now Obama Cares About the Constitution?’

  1. Observer

    Wayne makes good points about Obama, but it isn’t flattering to him to continue to bash our president. Wayne doesn’t need to, since ‘most everyone in this country now knows how awful Obama is. I just think it’s a tired subject (like the building that isn’t a mosque, that isn’t planned for Ground Zero).

    Suggestion: Maybe Wayne can explain the Libertarian position on drugs, or comment on the same sex marriage issue in California. Here he has an opportunity to bring new people to our party.

  2. Bruce Cohen Post author

    The Muslims think it’s a Mosque.
    It’s part of a larger Muslim worship project.

    Some Muslims have referred to it as a ‘Mega Mosque’ or ‘SuperMosque’.

    As far as how many yards here and there make it at ground zero, close enough for me.

    Clearly, that’s their intention, to place a Muslim ‘Sanctuary’ in as close proximity to where the 9/11 attacks took place.

    Clearly, they mean it as an insult, as well as a test to see how far they can push without getting pushback.

    Why is it so clear to me?
    Because that’s what THEY say.
    My Muslim friends all say it.
    And that’s what I keep reading, too.

  3. Dale Sheldon-Hess

    I surprised this whole thing is even an issue.

    The people who are actually effected, the ones who live and work in lower Manhattan, don’t care what the new owners do with the old Burlington Coat Factory location.

    And yet, a libertarian thinks that the opinions of the owners and their neighbors should be subservient to a bunch of complainers living thousands of miles away in America’s ever-loving “heart”land. I’m not a libertarian, so perhaps I’m misunderstanding the philosophy, but that seems deeply incongruous to me.

    If you don’t like the “mosque” (read: cultural center including a prayer room) being built “at” (read: two blocks and invisible from) ground zero, then do everyone a favor and just don’t visit Manhattan; they’ve got more peace, love, and understanding than you can handle.

    I &heart; NY

  4. MN Indy

    I am not in favor of any level of government stepping in to stop this mosque. But that doesn’t mean I like it. This Muslim group is retarded for wanting it built there. These “in your face” stunts by minority groups ensures they will continue to be ostracized and persecuted.

  5. Dale Sheldon-Hess

    * There are already two mosques in lower Manhattan. They keep running out of space for worshipers though. So this is both NOT NEW and WANTED by members of the community.

    * What “they” want is to show is that not all Muslims are suicide-plane-flying extremists; nearly all Muslims in America are upstanding members of the American community. Just like nearly all Christians in America didn’t want to blow up an Oklahoma federal building.

  6. Observer

    Here’s a timely article I found on Facebook:

    http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

    I’m SO tired of hearing about this! There are SO many more important things we should be talking about, like our economy, the impending attack on Iran, and so on.

  7. Robert Milnes

    Non libertarians should be allowed to join the LP but not be party officials or candidates. By doing so they RUIN everything.
    Purge , baby, purge!

  8. Steven wilson

    Root just needed another way to get his thousand media spots that he will mention every chance he gets.

    Root doesn’t do anything unless someone is watching. FlavorFox of the month syndrome.

  9. RKader

    I think what bothers me the most is that the “progressives” are avoiding the real issue. It has nothing to do with religion at all. The religious issue is only a diversion used to call the decenter as racist, anti-Muslim and whatever names they use to avoid the ISSUES. We have all seen it.

    The issue is appropriateness, intent and purpose. I personally think it is a slap in Americas face and has ulterior motives behind it. In view is history it is very bad taste.

  10. Observer

    RKader, I think the issue is property rights. It may indeed be offensive and inappropriate, but this country is supposed to respect property rights. I wasn’t aware that property rights were a progressive issue.

  11. RKader

    @Observer

    It is not religious bias nor property rights. Those are clear cut in our laws.

    It is insensitivity on the part of the Muslim in the selection of the site. They knew plain well how it would be received yet proceed in arrogance and lack on respect for the American people. It is viewed as a taunt against America. CNN poll indicates 70% of Americans are against.it.

    It is bad business for all involved.

  12. Dave

    Do you people really call yourselves “independents” and “progressives”? Or am I mistaken…Can you sleep at night, knowing how ignorant and out of touch you are with the true “progressive” movement and America’s public tolerance and correctness standard? A Muslim mosque in America, even somewhere close to Ground Zero (come on, folks, show some respect, capitalize the site’s name–that is, if you have even a basic grasp of the English language), is no offense. Rather, it should be symbolic of a nation that has weathered a terrible event and come out stronger for it. Islam did not attack us on 9-11, a bunch of idiot Saudi Arabian fanatics did it. Yet your buddy W and even going back to Reagan loved the Saudis to death…why? They have oil…

  13. RKader

    @Dave

    There are mosques throughout America, I am not aware of any objection to any of those. Are you.

    It is much more than that is is more a sign in insensitivity and arrogance. yet it is ingrained in the history of Islam to build a Victory Mosque at sights of Muslim victories. True or not that is a perception. For this not to be addressed is pure folly.

    So much is thrown up in PCness that reality is ignored.

  14. Michael H. Wilson

    I don’t give a damn about this mosque. I read Root’s crap and this statement pops out like a naked man in church; “And don’t forget the biggest beneficiaries of Obamacare- the trial lawyers. Obama made them billions by refusing to allow tort reform in the healthcare bill.”

    Trial attorneys at least have the balls to stand up for the thousands injured year by incompetent people in the medical profession. It has been estimated that at least 100,000 die every year do to negligence and many more are injured.

    No one, not the local district attorneys, the state medical boards or anyone else in positions of authority have taken a stand against this horror show that the medical profession has gotten away with for years except the trial attorneys.

    The jury is very important to the ideas of the libertarian movement and to suggest that tort reform is acceptable can only be made by someone who has been lucky enough to have avoided bad medicine or someone who has their eyes closed and ears shut to what is going on in the real world.

  15. John Jay Myers

    As soon as I started reading this list, I thought ‘I will bet you he does not mention the unconstitutional war, he won’t mention the unconstitutional patriot act, he won’t mention the unconstitutionality of Gitmo… or even the unconstitutionality of trying to stifle freedom of religion and property rights that is this non-mosque building that isn’t at ground zero.’

    Wayne is dissing the President for being more Libertarian than he is.

    Any time the President wants to act Libertarian I welcome it.

    It is very telling the way Wayne had to struggle to make this list, but the common Libertarian arguments against Obama and his attacks on the constitution aren’t even mentioned.

    When will Wayne realize that it doesn’t matter if 98% of the country is against something… what matters is what is right.

    I learned to today that Fox News and Wayne have hi-jacked the word common sense, apparently it no longer means what I thought.

  16. Jim Davidson

    I don’t understand why Bruce Cohen and Wayne Root aren’t organising the pogrom, passing out the pitch forks, and lighting the torches to slaughter every muslim in the world. What’s wrong with these milquetoasts? What are they afraid of, looking like the Nazis they are? Gosh. How very droll.

    Then again I don’t understand why John Jay Myers pisses on people he’s invited to comment on his profile page and then acts surprised when he finds them upset. Myers has the grace and savoir faire of Rodney Dangerfield and the comic stylings of Mao Zedong.

  17. John Jay Myers

    ahh… my saying that I ignore you when you diss the Libertarian Party, while in the same sentence I said that you are “smart as hell” and always share valuable insight. What an insult that was.
    This is all the time I will spend having anything else to do with you.

    Have a great life.

  18. Melty

    exact wording of the CNN poll question:
    As you may know, a group of Muslims in the U.S. plan to build a mosque two blocks from the site in New York City where the World Trade Center used to stand. Do you favor or oppose this plan?

    . . . not a mosque, but CNN called it a mosque for the poll

  19. Jill Pyeatt

    Dave @ 15: There are problems with mosques all over the world. This is because of the propaganda
    that is deliberately sent out to make us hate Islam.
    It is sheer bigotry.

    This video shows how people have bought into this all over the country:

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jon-stewart-slams-right-wingers-ground-zer

    There certainly are Islam extremists who wish us harm, but the campaign of Islamaphobia is important because it distracts the public from the economic hell we’re going through; it provides more reasons to take away liberties in the name of protecting us from “terrorists”; and it helps to perpetuate our wars.

    Root is a fairly smart guy, but he’s bought into this crap hook, line and sinker, and it isn’t becoming to him or the Libertarian party.

  20. elephant in the LP

    Wayne Root says:
    “Here’s my prediction- Obama’s larger-than-life ego is about to be violated in ways he cannot even imagine.”

    Well, here’s my prediction-
    W.A.R.’s larger-than-life ego is about to be violated in ways he cannot even imagine.

  21. Jose C

    The Muslims think it’s a Mosque.
    It’s part of a larger Muslim worship project.

    Some Muslims have referred to it as a ‘Mega Mosque’ or ‘SuperMosque’.

    Do you know who else thinks it is a mosque? And who else has come out in favor of the mosque? The terrorist organization Hamas. From an article in the New York Post (August 16) . . .

    Hamas Nod For Ground Zero Mosque

    A leader of the Hamas terror group yesterday jumped into the emotional debate on the plan to construct a mosque near Ground Zero — insisting Muslims “have to build” it there.

    “We have to build everywhere,” said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization’s chief on the Gaza Strip.

    “In every area we have, [as] Muslim[s], we have to pray, and this mosque is the only site of prayer,” he said on “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio” on WABC. . .

    “We have to build the mosque, as you are allowed to build the church and Israelis are building their holy places.”

    Hamas, he added, “is representing the vast majority of the Arabic and Islamic world — especially the Islamic side.”

  22. Thomas M. Sipos

    “The issue is appropriateness, intent and purpose. I personally think it is a slap in Americas face”

    The people building the Muslim cultural center are Americans who happen to be of the Muslim faith.

    “It is insensitivity on the part of the Muslim in the selection of the site. … It is viewed as a taunt against America.”

    How can it be a taunt against America, when the Muslim cultural center is being built by Americans, for Americans.

    These Muslims are our fellow Americans. These Muslims are Root’s fellow Americans. These Muslims are Bruce Cohen’s fellow Americans..

    Does one cease being a fellow American when one is a Muslim? What if one is gay or Jewish or Mexican or black? Are some Americans more American than others? Are some Americans more equal than others?

    The haters keep referring to our fellow Americans of Muslim faith as if they were some alien, foreign, enemy element. They’re not. They are us.

    This hate is like in WW2, when our fellow Americans of Japanese descent were suddenly no longer deemed “real Americans.”

    On this issue, Obama is a bigger libertarian than either Root or Bruce Cohen.

    Jill: “Root is a fairly smart guy, but he’s bought into this crap hook, line and sinker,”

    No, Jill. You’re being too kind toward Root. Root hasn’t “bought into” anything. He fully knows what he’s promoting.

  23. Rocky Eades

    I like the quote that has been making the rounds among my Facebook friends: “The US has been building ground zeros near mosques around the world for decades.”

  24. Look closely at this People

    Sharia Law // Aug 17, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Minnesota next somalia

    Minnesota under attack from Sharia Law. Ok some of you people. This is just the beginning. This is going to get bad real fast. You think they won’t turn this country starting with states into Muslim country.

    There was a liquor store that got thrashed in CA by muslim for selling liquor. So you people that want to welcome and bow down to these people. Like I said. They will CUT YOUR HEAD OFF.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vItJqpQ8U&feature=popular

    Also they celebrate with cuts to their heads called Ashoura.

    http://middleeastinfo.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php/%5C%22chris…ntiholo/evian/t17415.html
    This is very sick.

  25. Try building a

    Gay bar, Church, Temple in their country. You won’t they will CUT YOUR HEAD OFF. I cannot believe how some of you people are sooo live in fantasy land. I am sorry but the line has to be drawn. When these people come after you because you are not following their laws, you won’t have time to cry mommy on the blog, you will be pssth.

  26. ISLAM IS A RADICAL NATION

    Ok next we will have the Rwanda nation in the USA. Oh but the radical LP will say, ok thats fine. If you look at most people who general live civilize in other places. ISLAM IS NOT ONE OF THEM>

  27. Robert Capozzi

    try: Try buiding a Gay bar, Church, Temple in their country. You won’t they will CUT YOUR HEAD OFF.

    me: Aaaaaand? We’re well aware of dysfunction in other nations. Why would be replicate or imitate pronouncedly hateful, fearful behavior here? If everyone else is jumping off a bridge, does that mean that you should, too?

    And, oh yes, what exactly do you mean by “their” country? Many Muslims are American citizens. Is the US not “their” country?

  28. Robert Capozzi

    WAR: …mafia…

    me: Root — a man who has lived in NY and LV — ought to know that there is no such thing as “the mafia.” 😉

  29. Thomas M. Sipos

    “Gay bar, Church, Temple in their country.”

    The American Muslims are building a cultural center in their country — America.

    I don’t know what your ethnic/national origins are, but would you wish for all Americans to be treated according to the laws currently ruling their countries of origin?

    I’m amazed at the massive wellspring of out-of-the-closet collectivist bigotry in the mass media, and among “respectable conservatives,” and even among “libertarians.”

    I’m not surprised the Objectivists are ranting against the Muslim cultural center — organized Objectivism has long been a hotbed of extremist collectivist mysticism.

  30. No it not bigotry.

    Lets just say that I am not willing to give up America to people who wish to change it to their country. I will be dammed. Unlike you, the sheeple will get slaughtered by the time you realize what I said is true when it is too late. When I see something coming and fast. I rather act than to lose what America was founded on. So go stick your head in the Nile and soak it like an Ostrich and then soon you will find you won’t have a head anymore.

  31. @32 GO LOOK AT #28

    When your done looking, look at it again, then go back and look at it some more. Keep looking until it sinks in that thick skull of yours.

  32. You come to America

    based on the Constitution and the founding fathers you come to America and intermingle with what America is based on. Otherwise stay in your own country. These people are not going to do that. They come into this country and bringing their own country along with that.
    Go look at #28. Look and watch and study until it get through.

  33. Robert Capozzi

    whoever “you” are, are you kidding with 28? Private individuals and businesses can practice their religion however they damn well please! Ditto for khat…it’s a private, peaceful act.

    As for the bloodletting, hey, not my cup of tea. Neither are the practices of some Christian sects, like snakehandling, eating the body of Christ, self-flagellation, etc. Private, peaceful acts.

    Your links make my case: that the “threat” of Sharia Law being imposed in the US is non-existent.

    But, you’re right, immigrants come to the US to intermingle with “what America is based on,” which is the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If that doesn’t involve eating or handling liquor and pork products (which I like but is not exactly the healthiest choice), I say go for it.

  34. You can find links

    To Robert #37

    All over the place the plot for muslim to take over America, not to live peacefully among us. You will be the chicken that get roasted because of you stupidity. You can find links where ever you choose to look.

  35. Just like the people

    Who are hard core wiccan that do sacrifices of humans for their ritual. Of course that a peaceful religion also.

    The more I see this, the more I believe there are devils work that exist.

  36. AroundtheblockAFT

    Well at least we don’t have to worry about W.A.R. pretending to be something he isn’t.
    He exposes himself all the time as just a libertarian-leaning conservative who appeals to nativist bigotry.

    Cut heads off? Why someone just dismembered a young man in a community near me over a drug deal gone sour. I suggest you concern yourself with the insane violence committed because of the War on Drugs rather than some fever swamp illusion about Muslims going on a spree against liquor shop owners.

  37. Robert Capozzi

    you can: You can find links where ever you choose to look.

    me: Yes, paranoids CAN find threats where ever they look.

  38. Maybe you should watch real life

    News. The news report it, the same people who live in the area see it in REAL LIFE. Robert go stick your head in the sand, your an idiot.

    To #41

  39. Robert Capozzi

    maybe, your comments are filled with typos and non sequiturs. It’s “you’re,” for ex.

    I think we’ve all had our moments when we thought of ourself as an “idiot,” and I’m no exception. Thanks, though, for your opinion.

    Nevertheless, news reports might lead us to believe that we will be murdered, raped, robbed, etc. That’s what the news does…it reports the outlier events, tending to make us more fearful. Ever heard “If it bleeds, it leads”?

    Abortion clinics were getting bombed and harrassed with some frequency some years back, but the business of those clinics went on. A few zealots acted on perhaps their sincere belief that abortion was murder, and they felt they had to stop it.

    Similarly, I don’t doubt there are some Muslim zealots who sometimes do violence in the name of their religion.

    Not all pro-lifers are terrorists. Nor are all Muslims terrorists.

    I understand that benzos can be very helpful for paranoia and anxiety. Something for you to consider….

  40. Thomas L. Knapp

    Interesting that some people seem to assume Muslim = immigrant.

    The were Muslims in America before there was a United States of America.

    Muslims fought in America’s armies in the Revolution.

    Most of the Muslims I know were born right here in the USA.

  41. Gordon

    Muslims and Christians have been at war forever.
    Muslims want to wipe Christians and Jews off the map.
    They want America to become a muslim nation.
    The majority of Americans don’t want it.

    America has been at war with muslims since its inception.
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26685

    Are you prepared to adhere to Sharia Law?

  42. Melty

    It seems to me the God of Abraham leaves a trail of blood everywhere He goes . . . but maybe I’m just being negative.

  43. Robert Capozzi

    gordon: Muslims want to wipe Christians and Jews off the map. They want America to become a muslim nation.

    me: It’s feeling useless to communicate with you, but one more try….

    Do you really believe that ALL Muslims, or even MOST, or even MANY, want this? If so, do you have a scintilla of evidence to support your belief?

    I stipulate that a few do.

    Most Christian sects that I am aware of want everyone to be Christian, to accept Christ as their savior and lord. That’s their business. But, unless I’m missing something, they don’t want to force people to become Christian; they want to convert them.

    I would not be surprised if this were the case with MOST Muslims. It certainly IS the case with Muslims I know; they neither want me dead nor to forcibly convert me.

    Benzos…look it up.

  44. George Phillies

    Capozzi falsely claims “Abortion clinics were getting bombed and harassed with some frequency some years back, but the business of those clinics went on. ”

    That is a falsehood. In fact, Christer — I deny that they are Christians, thank you — terrorists have succeeded in driving abortion clinics out of business in large areas of the United States. When Dr, Tiller was murdered by a Christer terrorist, he was the only supplier of late term abortion providers in large parts of the state in question.

  45. @47 Correction

    It is the G-d of Islam which they call Allah which is leaving a trail of blood everywhere.

  46. Melty

    To whomever the corrector is there at 51, consider West Africa, for a timely example. Muslims and Christians alike kill each other off over religion regularily there, and neither side is lacking in intiative.

  47. Melty

    ah, so the trolls here are the ones who change their names with every post . . . duh, so my mind’s a bit slow to turn over.

  48. Robert Capozzi

    gp50, thanks for clarifying. Yes, some clinics have been closed. How many, and whether the domestic terrorists were the only reason (vs. protests or peaceful persuasion) I don’t know. Abortion remains legal, despite the violent disruption by terrorists.

    9/11 was obviously a large-scale terrorist act, but an isolated event. Whether 9/11 justifies suspending the Constitution over an apparently very small number of zealots, I’d say no. The terrorists win if the paranoids succeed.

  49. Robert actually

    some of us you call paranoids, are actually more in tune of what is going on around us that we are probably way ahead, you on the other hand will be left behind.

  50. Gordon

    @ Robert. “Do you really believe that ALL Muslims, or even MOST, or even MANY, want this? If so, do you have a scintilla of evidence to support your belief?”

    No, not most, and not even many. But the extremists, even if just 5%, are those in power they will proceed with their agenda.

    In our own country, look what the top 2% of wealth coupled with our politicians can do. If you think they are doing what is in the best interest of the people and the nation then you can stop reading now.

    Look at the progression of muslim nations. Muslim states are theocracies and religious texts are the law. They populate a state, region, nation, and implement “their ” law.

    Sharia Law takes many forms, depending on the progression, but it begins as voluntary conformity, head scarf, don’t touch pork.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vItJqpQ8U&feature=popular

    Then when there is a sufficient conforming population they push forward, making adherence mandatory, perhaps requiring a bhurka or whatever.

    The next thing you know a women is raped and is charged with adultery. She is required to find 4 male whitenesses to the rape or be stoned to death, beheaded, or whatever the extent of the Sharia Law has become.
    I don’t ask you to take my word for it, research it. Look into what has happened in nations where muslim growth has exploded.

    To set the record straight, I do not fear nor am I paranoid for my self. I only wish to preserve what remains of our Constitution and the liberties it provides. Our Constitution is a direct assault to their beliefs. It does however align with my Christian beliefs.

  51. JT

    I think many of the arguments amongst libertarians on this issue misses the point. The fact is that libertarianism doesn’t hold that you have to like anything PERSONALLY; it holds that you shouldn’t support GOVERNMENT involvement in interactions between consenting adults.

    You don’t have to personally like drug addicts in order to hold that government shouldn’t be involved with drugs, or to personally like homosexuals in order to hold that government shouldn’t be involved with sex.

    I strongly disagree with some of the statements made by opponents of this project. But unless a libertarian calls for government to block it, he or she isn’t acting inconsistent with libertarianism, just expressing a personal belief.

  52. Bruce Cohen Post author

    Kudos to JT.

    To discuss the appropriate ‘ness’ of this project, is not anti-Libertarian.

    To recognize public sentiment is against the project, is likewise not.

    To voice concerns about the impact on the neighborhood is not, either.

    This is a zoning discussion, not xenophobe vs. non-xenophobe.

  53. Thomas L. Knapp

    JT,

    Everything you write @61 is true.

    There is, however, more to it than that.

    When Wayne Allyn Root first postures himself as a “leading libertarian thinker,” and then posits that construction of Cordoba House might be prohibited by the US Constitution, this amounts to the public pronouncement “libertarianism’s leading thinkers are morons.”

    When Wayne Allyn Root first postures himself as a “leading libertarian thinker” and then asserts that Cordoba House is a) a mosque and b) located at “Ground Zero,” this amounts to the public pronouncement “libertarians are liars.”

    The fact that idiotic and false statements aren’t necessarily inconsistent with libertarianism don’t mean that they make for good PR.

  54. Eric Dondero

    There’s a common misconception out there that this is Private Property. Only half of the site is Private. The other half is owned by quasi-governmental Con-Edison, as was revealed last week. That half of the property comes under the auspices of the very public, Public Services Commission in NYC, whose Chairman is none other than New York Governor David Paterson.

    Get the facts straight. The proposed Ground Zero Mosque site is Public/Private Property, not Private Property.

  55. AroundtheblockAFT

    #62 – and any zoning discussions should be about how a proposed use will damage the rights of others. Tell us what rights are being damaged and we can discuss ways to ameliorate the damages.

  56. Hey Knapp

    If you don’t like Wayne, than you go out and do everything that Wayne Root does. and when you are out there like him than Talk. Otherwise sit your little corner like a good little sheep.

  57. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    # 60 don Trimble // Aug 18, 2010:
    “CP wishes to elicit a “theocracy” in my opinion.”

    ……… don Lake, and does so in very Unchristain, unethical, fakey dakey methodology, as I noted as early as the 1990s. Example, their faux Veterans Association [….. merely a partisan recruitment tool]!

  58. JT

    Bruce: “This is a zoning discussion, not xenophobe vs. non-xenophobe.”

    I agree with most of what you wrote, but this last line seems to imply that zoning is okay. Zoning is a government action that interferes with property rights. That IS inconsistent with libertarianism.

    Thomas: “When Wayne Allyn Root first postures himself as a “leading libertarian thinker,” and then posits that construction of Cordoba House might be prohibited by the US Constitution, this amounts to the public pronouncement “libertarianism’s leading thinkers are morons.””

    I think that would be true, but I don’t see where he wrote that construction of Cordoba House might be prohibited by the U.S. Constitution. I saw him criticize Obama for not caring about the Constitution in other cases, which is true.

    Thomas: “The fact that idiotic and false statements aren’t necessarily inconsistent with libertarianism don’t mean that they make for good PR.”

    I agree. I was just referring to those individuals who say it’s inconsistent with libertarianism to oppose this project personally or to hate Islam.

    Dondero: “There’s a common misconception out there that this is Private Property. Only half of the site is Private.”

    So if you thought all of it were on private property, you wouldn’t say government should block it?

    Dondero: “The other half is owned by quasi-governmental Con-Edison, as was revealed last week.”

    How is Con-Edison quasi-governmental? The stories I’ve read about it say it’s a private company. My cable TV provider has a monopoly on cable TV service, but it’s still a privately owned and operated company.

    And Con Edison has said the developers have the right to alter, demolish, or renovate the building under a lease they signed until 2071. Libertarianism holds that government bodies shouldn’t interfere with voluntary contracts between consenting adults.

    Dondero: “That half of the property comes under the auspices of the very public, Public Services Commission in NYC, whose Chairman is none other than New York Governor David Paterson.”

    The PSC shouldn’t even exist, according to libertarianism, nevermind be involved in this dispute.

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  60. Thomas L. Knapp

    JT,

    You write:

    “I don’t see where he wrote that construction of Cordoba House might be prohibited by the U.S. Constitution.”

    “We Americans believe in the separation of Church and State. If it turns out that this project is sponsored by a foreign government — either directly or through a state-sponsored organization that engages in terrorism — than [sic] the idea of this being an issue of religious freedom is a sham and an argument can be made that our Constitution would actually prohibit this mosque from being built.”

  61. Christian Theocrats Support Root

    Here’s a quote from the above site:

    “as a Christian, oppose a Mosque at Ground Zero as I would oppose a Mosque anywhere on American soil. Islam is a false religion, and is hostile to the West, what we used to quaintly call Christendom. Christians should oppose the construction of Mosques in their community and the immigration of Muslims into our ostensibly Christian country as well.”

    I assume this author also feels that Judaism is a false religion. How does he feel about synagogues being built on U.S. soil?

    Interesting, that the Jewish Wayne Allyn Root is aligning with Christian theocrats.

    Perhaps Root feels that Muslims are a greater threat to Jews and Israel than are Christian theocrats? So Root will encourage Christian theocrats to fight Muslims, then hope that after the fight, the Christian theocrats don’t come back to get him.

    Such are the dilemmas when you toss libertarianism’s universal principles out the window.

  62. Funny how the history

    Shows, G-d was among the jewish people as the bible says. Moses, Abraham, The dead sea. Even Jesus was born a Jew.

    End of story.

  63. Catholic Trotskyist

    The Catholic Trotskyist Party supports the Muslim community center near Ground Zero.
    Making alliances with Muslims is an important part of the triumph of Catholic Trotskyism.

  64. Is God Only for the Jews?

    @ 76: “Funny how the history shows, G-d was among the jewish people as the bible says.”

    Sure he was. But surely you’re not implying that God was only among the Jews?

    Or that God blindly supports anything the Jews do, without concern for anyone else?

    Are not Muslims and Palestinians also children of God?

  65. Andy

    “Get the facts straight. The proposed Ground Zero Mosque site is Public/Private Property, not Private Property.”

    When you examine the issue of government comprehensive annual financial reports (ie- CAFR’s), you’ll find that most property in the United States of America is public/private. As in government entities at the local, state, and federal level own a stake in almost all of the big corporations. Government entities own many things that one would not expect them to own. Read more about it at http://www.CAFR1.com and do a search on Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports.

    Having said this, the entire controversy about the Mosque/Muslim Community Center is ABSURD for a number of reasons.

    1) There’s a thing called the 1st amendment which is SUPPOSED to gaurentee the rights of religious freedom and freedom of assembly. This right extends to Muslims.

    2) This controversy assumes that the official government story about 9/11 is true, even though the overwellming evidence points to the official government story about 9/11 being a lie. Why should people blindly accept the official government approved conspiracy theory about 9/11 when the government lies about everything?

    3) Even if the official government conspiracy theory about 9/11 were true, what does this have to do with any Muslims who want to go to this Mosque/Community Center? It is absurd to tie them into an attack of which they had nothing to do.

    4) From what I’ve heard, this proposed Mosque/Community Center is not even at Ground Zero, it is a few blocks away.

    This is a manufactured controversy that is meant to distract the public from issues which are far more important to their lives.

  66. Tom Blanton

    My Muslim friends all say it.

    Bruce Cohen has Muslim friends?

    Yeah. And all my radical Zionist Likud Party friends are telling me how much they oppose American military involvement in Muslim nations.

    I think Root can safely join the GOP soon – he has little work to do now as he hammers the last few nails in the lid of the pine box containing the rancid remains of the Libertarian Party.

    Boo Hoo

  67. JT

    Thomas @ 74:
    I stand corrected. I wonder if he’d think that a synagogue that’s funded by the Israeli government on U.S. soil might be prohibited by the Constitution. Or that a church that’s funded by another government on U.S. soil might be prohibited by the Constitution.

    Also, contrary to Root, some conservatives clearly DON’T believe in a separation of church and state.

    CTSR @ 75: “Interesting, that the Jewish Wayne Allyn Root is aligning with Christian theocrats.”

    I don’t think Root is still Jewish; I’ve read multiple sources that say he converted and is now an evangelical Christian. Here’s one: http://www.gambling911.com/politics/sarah-palin-joe-biden-and-wayne-root-woo-interviews-other-vp-hopeful-090908.html.

    And “Christendom”? Geez.

  68. Robert Capozzi

    jt: Or that a church that’s funded by another government on U.S. soil might be prohibited by the Constitution.

    me: I do believe that technically the Vatican IS a foreign government and I do believe that technically the Vatican owns all Catholic churches.

    What passage in the Constitution would prohibit this? I recall no germane clause.

    btw, Foreign governments have built embassies all over the place.

    IF CH is a front for a foreign-state’s conspiracy to topple the US, then that case should be made in a court of law.

  69. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob,

    I’ve made the Vatican point myself in the past, but actually I don’t think that the Vatican does own all Catholic churches.

    Here in St. Louis, we have a controversy over Catholic parish (St. Stanislaus), the facilities of which were (and still are) apparently owned by its congregation.

    The parish came under pressure to sign its property over to the diocese; believing this possibly pre-saged closure of their church in a consolidation of parishes, they declined.

    Last time I noticed, their parish priest had been excommunicated and the congregants were under warning that any administration of sacraments there would be considered invalid.

    Pretty nasty situation.

    I do believe that the Cordoba House/Roman Catholic situations remain roughly analogous in terms of “foreign involvement,” though.

    Even if the Vatican does not technically OWN all Catholic churches in the US, it is still a foreign state, Catholics are supposed to consider that foreign state’s leader an infallable authority, and moneys presumably flow back and forth between that foreign state and the US Catholic organizations.

    I suspect the Jewish situation is less analogous. American Jewish congregations probably exert more influence over Israel’s government than vice versa.

  70. Michael H. Wilson

    Frank Rich has this interesting column on the mosque in today’s N.Y. Times.

    “So virulent is the Islamophobic hysteria of the neocon and Fox News right — abetted by the useful idiocy of the Anti-Defamation League, Harry Reid and other cowed Democrats — that it has also rendered Gen. David Petraeus’s last-ditch counterinsurgency strategy for fighting the war inoperative. How do you win Muslim hearts and minds in Kandahar when you are calling Muslims every filthy name in the book in New York?”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opinion/22rich.html?_r=1&hp

  71. George Phillies

    Meanwhile, there are also serious issues out there.

    We might usefully compare Wayne’s Nevada

    http://www.lvrj.com/business/nevada-unemployment-climbs-in-july-101154094.html

    which has the worst unemployment in the country, with Massachusetts

    http://lmi2.detma.org/Lmi/News_release_state.asp
    “The private sector added 19,200 jobs, the largest monthly job gain in the private sector over the past twenty years. This marks the sixth straight month for job gains in the Commonwealth, adding 60,200 jobs since December.”

    which thanks to one of the best business climates in the country is adding jobs at a record rate. Business climates? That’s things like a well-educated work force.

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  73. Bob Weber

    Who do these bigots think they are fooling? The Islamophobes aren’t crusading against just Cordoba House. All over the country, they are trying to stop American Moslems from exercising their property rights and religious rights, building mosques.

    The hollow piety, “We’re only questioning the wisdom, not the right” came only AFTER numerous failed attempts to stop Cordoba House by political means. Hell, many are still talking about stopping it through the back door. Bruce Cohen talks about zoning. Carl Paladino talks about eminent domain. Pam “Atlas Shrugs” Geller, John Hospers, and Dondero will agree to any of the above, and lots besides. Hell, Leonard Peikoff will agree to anything, including a government bombing raid on the project. (He does draw the line at a private bombing. Real principled.) What a bunch of phonies! Yet all claim to be freedom activists.

    If Wayne Root wants to prove his bona fides, let him say, “While I oppose Cordoba House, I will fight to my last breath against any attempt to stop it by any governmental means. Furthermore, only Lower Manhattanites have a legitimate case against Moslem religious houses in their neighborhoods. I condemn all the other attempts around the country to stop Moslem religious houses. All the other attempts are by vile and contemptible bigots. No decent person will have anything to do with them. Certainly not any libertarian.”

    What’s the matter, Wayne? Cat got your tongue?

  74. Bob Weber

    Let me add that when Cordoba House was proposed last December, nobody seemed to have any problem with it. Laura Ingraham thought it was a fine idea. Now she’s appalled by it. (Why the change of heart, Laura?)

    The ginned-up controversy was started by the crazed Randian hatemonger, Pam “Atlas Shrugs” Geller, who was previously known for her crusade against the NYC Khalil Ghibran Academy, and for claiming that Obama is the secret son of Malcolm X. The Voices in Her Head told her so.

    Any supposed freedom activist involved in the crusade against Cordoba House is a sleazy panderer to the worst elements in American society, or just plain crazy. Maybe both.

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  76. Jill Pyeatt

    The bigotry exhibited in this country this year over Mexicans and Muslims is absolutely astonishing. It makes me embarrassed to be an American.

  77. Robert Capozzi

    jp, yes, but bigotry is a forgiveness lesson for us. Those who are afraid of Muslims and Mexicans are having a bad dream, probably worried sick that Muslims will repeat 9/11 and impose Sharia Law and Mexicans will take their jobs.

    There are other forms of bigotry, too. Lots of capitalism bigots out there, it seems.

    Fear is the root problem in all human affairs, I believe. Solving paranoia is one tough job.

  78. paulie

    And from the anti-Muslim collectivist point of view, what? Assimilated, or just killed? What’s your final solution to the “Muslim problem”?

  79. Paulie

    http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2010/08/22/no-mosque-in-bridgeport-ct-or-charlotte-nc-classic-religious-bigotry/

    It’s not a 9/11 thing. It’s not a “Ground Zero” thing. The move to push mosques out is taking place across America, and it’s a religious bigotry thing.

    Bigot. n. a person who is intolerant, esp. regarding religion, politics, or race
    Collins English Dictionary

    The anti-Islam movement would like you to think that it is only pushing to cancel religious freedom in Manhattan, but that’s just not true. News reports previously this year have identified activist efforts to push out existing mosques or stop the building of new mosques in Temecula CA, Brooklyn NY, Staten Island NY, Murfreesboro TN and Sheboygan WI.
    Over the last month Operation Save America (a branch of Randall Terry’s old group, Operation Rescue) has been protesting against a mosque in Bridgeport, Connecticut. An online postings betrays the goal of the protests:

    NO MOSQUE IN MY TOWN
    NOR ANY OF THE SURROUNDING TOWNS HERE IN FAIRFIELD COUNTY,IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, EVER. NO BURKAS, NO BURROS AND NO BOMBS EITHER! LIBERALS ARE IN HIDING AND ONCE IN AWHILE YOU’LL SEE THEM SLITHER INTO THAT OVERPRICED RATHOLE,STARBUCKS—WERE ANY OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, MUSLIMS? ENUFF SAID!

    The same group mounted an anti-Mosque protest in Charlotte, North Carolina last month. Listen to them tell America straight out that it’s not enough to cancel religious liberty in Manhattan — it must be canceled everywhere in America:

    We Came to Slay Your False God…
    What does this mosque and the one they are trying to build at Ground Zero in New York City have in common? Muslims are coming to America in droves. They are using their great wealth from oil and are buying us up and buying us out. When weak in a nation, they can afford to “dialogue,” but if they ever gain the ascendancy, out comes the sword. At that juncture, each of us will have one of three choices, convert, become their Dhimmi (slave) or be murdered….
    If we make it right with Him, God has the power to drive Islam into the sea or convert them to His Christ. It is truly, repent or perish time for America!

    The real point of these anti-mosque protests is that Muslims and Islam must go. That’s why anti-mosque protests are being mounted in communities across the country. In the name of stopping a particular religion, an effort is being mounted to cancel Americans’ freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom of religion.
    This is a bigotry movement. This is an anti-freedom movement. Where do you stand?

  80. If you really watch the Video

    It is not bigotry, prejuduce is judging before knowing. But we, or most of us people who realize the reality that that Muslim are not coming to America to be Free Americans.

    I have watch numerous videos over and over. They do not come here to be Americans. Canada, UK has a lot of muslim. The US has many more muslim, they will in fact take America, they have problems in France. This is a radical religion. Even Disneyland has a woman who signed an official agreement to be part of a theme now is pushing to wear her scarf. You do NOT FIND other religions doing this to Disneyland.
    Muslim religion is not just a religion it is a way of life. They will bow down to Allah and will push there agenda to take America. You don’t believe. You start watching numerous videos available on youtube. You decide. To protect the people of America from this radical race. I dare you go to Islam and have them be accepting of whatever you do there. I promise you, they will cut your head off.

  81. paulie

    They do not come here to be Americans.

    Is this a categoric statement about all Muslims? What percentage of American Muslims appear in the videos you have watched?

    This is a radical religion.

    All, or most, religions have some radicals, and many moderates. The same is true of Islam.

    Even Disneyland has a woman who signed an official agreement to be part of a theme now is pushing to wear her scarf. You do NOT FIND other religions doing this to Disneyland.

    She should have gotten a different job. What does this have to do with millions of other American Muslims who have done nothing of the sort?

    And you haven’t answered my question. What is your proposed solution? Do you want to outlaw Islam? Seriously?

    They will bow down to Allah and will push there agenda to take America.

    How would 2-3% of Americans do that, exactly?

    You start watching numerous videos available on youtube. You decide.

    Yes, there are extremist Muslims, just like there are extremist Christians, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, etc, etc. What in the world do videos on youtube tell me about millions of unrelated people who are not in those videos?

    To protect the people of America from this radical race.

    Race? Wow….you are quite off your rocker.

    I dare you go to Islam and have them be accepting of whatever you do there.

    What do you mean “go to Islam?” that does not even make any sense. I have in fact gone to Muslim restaurants, homes, and even majority Muslim neighborhoods. No one laid a finger on me, much less cut my head off. But then again, I don’t know what you think it is that I do?

    I promise you, they will cut your head off.

    So in your fantasy world millions of American Muslims go around cutting people’s heads off left and right?

    LOL.

    Again, answer this one question please: What exactly do you want to do about the “Muslim problem”? Do you want to outlaw all Mosques? Forcibly convert Muslims? Deport them? Cut their heads off? What’s your answer?

    BTW, it would help if you came up with a screen name. Comment numbers are subject to change.

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  83. Jill Pyeatt

    If you really…@99: “Even Disneyland has a woman who signed an official agreement to be part of a theme now is pushing to wear her scarf. You do NOT FIND other religions doing this to Disneyland.”

    And you know this, how? This is a pretty stupid, unfounded statement. Do you think perhaps the lady at Disneyland is just getting attention because of the Islamaphobia being stoked in this country?

    “Muslim religion is not just a religion it is a way of life. They will bow down to Allah and will push there agenda to take America. You don’t believe. You start watching numerous videos available on youtube. You decide. To protect the people of America from this radical race. I dare you go to Islam and have them be accepting of whatever you do there. I promise you, they will cut your head off.”

    We’ve had millions of Muslims living in this country for years. We don’t hear of this stuff happening here. What I have heard of lately is a sad rash of returned Iraq or Afghani vets who kill themselves, and take their family out at the same time. I know of two situations like this in the last 2 weeks. So, maybe we should ban all returning vets from living here?

    Really, that’s how stupid your arguments are to me.

  84. Thomas M. Sipos

    Jill: “The bigotry exhibited in this country this year over Mexicans and Muslims is absolutely astonishing. It makes me embarrassed to be an American.”

    Me too. And if Root were a real libertarian, he’d say that it made him embarrassed for America on Fox News.

    But Root’s more interested in pleasing the xenophobic jingoism of Fox’s war-crazy, birther audience. Hell, Root probably sincerely means much of his jingoism, as do many of his fans.

    I went to a libertarian meeting last week, at Los Angeles’s Karl Hess Club. (Bob Weber was there too.) One longtime “libertarian” there kept making snide anti-Muslim smears, apparently hoping to entice us to join in.

    The libertarian movement is infested with bigots. I wouldn’t have said so ten years ago. I’m really shocked and surprised and the level of bigots in the LP. Not a majority, but disgustingly too many.

  85. Ralph Swanson

    @84
    My understanding is most Church property is in local trusts or sole corporations, a rarer form of corporation mostly used by old non-profit entities, and separate from the actual Church local administration and liability.

    The Pope is infallible on religious doctrine when speaking ex cathedra, an involved consultation process, and if it does not contradict the Christian doctors.

  86. Robert Capozzi

    ts: The libertarian movement is infested with bigots. I wouldn’t have said so ten years ago.

    me: Mr. Sipos, perhaps you missed the NewsletterGate episode. Those Ron Paul newsletters were being published 20 years ago, so it would not surprise me that the LM has a bigot element. 40 years ago we still had a lot of JBSers and Civil War revisionists. They persist.

    Paranoids are always looking for something to be afraid of.

  87. paulie

    Frank Rich – ny times

    How Fox Betrayed Petraeus

    The rage over the “ground zero mosque” is not motivated by a serious desire to protect America, but by a desire for an election-season payoff.

    After 9/11, President Bush praised Islam as a religion of peace and asked for tolerance for Muslims not necessarily because he was a humanitarian or knew much about Islam but because national security demanded it. An America at war with Islam plays right into Al Qaeda’s recruitment spiel. This month’s incessant and indiscriminate orgy of Muslim-bashing is a national security disaster for that reason — Osama bin Laden’s “next video script has just written itself,” as the former F.B.I. terrorist interrogator Ali Soufan put it — but not just for that reason. America’s Muslim partners, those our troops are fighting and dying for, are collateral damage. If the cleric behind Park51 — a man who has participated in events with Condoleezza Rice and Karen Hughes, for heaven’s sake — is labeled a closet terrorist sympathizer and a Nazi by some of the loudest and most powerful conservative voices in America, which Muslims are not?

  88. paulie

    Does Faux News hate us for our freedom?

    Freedom of religion…freedom of speech…freedom of assembly…freedom of property

    You’re either with us or you’re with Faux News

  89. paulie

    @thinkprogress.org

    alephnaughtpix says:
    Blimey, even Charlie Brooker on this side of the pond is weighing in on the issue:

    “I once had a poo in a pub about two minutes’ walk from Buckingham Palace. I was not subsequently arrested and charged with crapping directly onto the Queen’s pillow. That’s how “distance” works in Britain. It’s also how distance works in America, of course, but some people are currently pretending it doesn’t, for daft political ends.”

  90. Allahu Akhbar

    Zionism is a crackpot suprematist philosophy that is totally out of control. It is, in fact, a cover for an international criminal organization. People now recognize the Jewish religion as a religion of hate. Founded on hate and wallowing in hate. They don’t just hate Muslims, they hate everyone…all non-Jews. Read their garbage.

    Read this story about a psychotic Rabbi that I found on Al Jazerra:

    http://joethephilosopher.com/joe/joe.html

    Israel is our biggest enemy and it’s time we recognized that fact. The Zionists are actually everyone’s enemy. They are master pushers of hate.

    The Zionists crossed the Rubicon when they murdered 3000 Americans on 9/11/2001. Next stop: Golgotha.

  91. Robert Capozzi

    aa illustrates a certain balance. Frightened bigots oppose CH because they believe a few zealots, acting putatively in the name of Islam, perpetrated 9/11, and conclude that all of Islam is somehow a threat to their way of life. So aa claims that one zealous rabbi represents all of Judaism.

    Wild pendulum swings like this seem highly contra-indicated.

  92. paulie

    Judeophobia is just as illogical and insipid as Islamophobia. No major world religion is a religion of hate, but there are haters hiding behind every religion.

    As for 9/11, if the US government stopped interfering in the affairs of the middle east, it wouldn’t have happened. They’re over here because “we” are over there.

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  99. paulie

    Not much time right now, but since you addressed me directly:

    Yes, there are intolerant people of various religions around the world, and some of them run gangs that claim nation-states as their territory. Let’s not encourage one to have any more power in this country.

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