PSL: ‘Thousands of people protest near Ground Zero in opposition to racist Tea Party rally’

PSLweb.org:

 

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New York City, Sept. 11, 2010

Thousands of people rallied today in lower Manhattan in defense of
the Muslim, Arab American and South Asian communities that have been
increasingly demonized in recent months.

The demonstration dwarfed the smaller right-wing, racist mobilization
that was organized in opposition to the planned construction of an
Islamic Community Center several blocks from the site of the former
World Trade Center in lower Manhattan.

Today’s demonstration was organized by a broad coalition of
progressive, anti-war, Muslim, Arab American, South Asian and social
justice organizations from the Black, Latino and Asian communities. The
ANSWER Coalition organized its members and supporters to join this
important mobilization against racism and Islamophobia. Speakers at the
demonstration included Ramsey Clark, Cynthia McKinney, representatives
of the International Action Center, December 12th Movement and others.

It is critical for the anti-war movement and all people of conscience
to stand together in defense of the Muslim community, and in opposition
to racism and war.

The ANSWER Coalition is organizing people from all over the East Coast and Midwest to participate in the Stand Up-Fight Back contingent at the Oct. 2 mobilization in Washington, D.C. Click here to sign-up to join the contingent. The Oct. 2 mobilization will draw together hundreds of thousands of working people who will demand jobs, peace and justice.

82 thoughts on “PSL: ‘Thousands of people protest near Ground Zero in opposition to racist Tea Party rally’

  1. Jill Pyeatt

    I saw some footage posted by WeAreChange, and was delighted to see the many different types of people willing to stand up for what’s right. I’m heartened!

  2. Eric Dondero

    There were less than 1,500 at the Racist America-hating rally across the street in support of Al Qaeda and Islamic Terrorist attacks on the United States.

  3. Eric Dondero

    Hey Canolli, what’s your Visa status?

    Killing dogs in Federal Parks is a crime you know. Being that you came into the United States illegally from the fmr. Soviet Union, I wouldn’t be so quick to commit acts of violence against animals, particularly pets, if I were you.

  4. Thomas L. Knapp

    Pamela Oshry (a/k/a Pamela Geller) claims 40,000 attended her anti-freedom hate rally, and as evidence displays photos showing 1,500-2,000.

    All sources NOT on crack report 1,000-2,000.

  5. Eric Dondero

    Oh, and there was that teensy weensy little problem of yours in Oregon. Y’know the voter fraud deal.

    Now, we Americans tolerate dissent from American citizens who may be dumbasses like Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, ect… But if you’re an illegal alien who have no right to come into our country and protest against our country and our American values. Particularly individuals from former Communist countries. You’re a guest here. Act like one. And respect our laws and our values.

  6. Eric Dondero

    All sources from far leftwing sources like the NY Times fish wrap, and the Marxist Huffington Post, and of course, Nazi-loving Daily Kos, put the number of Geller-Wilders ralliers at “under 2,000.”

    I guess if you want to believe the America-hating Leftist Fascist Communist media, go right ahead.

  7. Eric Dondero

    All sources from far leftwing sources like the NY Times fish wrap, and the Marxist Huffington Post, and of course, Nazi-loving Daily Kos, put the number of Geller-Wilders ralliers at “under 2,000.”

  8. Eric Dondero

    Hey Knapp, we all know Pauli Canolli is an illegal alien who hates America.

    What’s your excuse? Why do you hate America so much? You were born here, unlike Canolli who was born outside of the United States and overstayed his temporary Visa. And also was convicted of voter fraud in Oregon. Not too mention was a participant in the slaughter of a pet dog in a national forest in Alabama.

    We all know Canolli is slime. But how did you become such a vicious anti-American?

  9. Thomas L. Knapp

    1) There’s no such thing as an “illegal alien” (the Constitution delegates no power whatsoever to Congress to regulate immigration).

    2) Even if there was such a thing as an “illegal alien,” I have no reason to believe that Paulie is one.

    3) I’m aware of Paulie’s conviction in Oregon for a crime he admits to and expresses contrition for.

    4) Regarding the alleged dog-killing, I’ve seen no evidence, so it’s Paulie’s word against yours … and while I’ve never caught Paulie lying, I’ve caught you lying more times than I can count.

    5) I’ve got more Americanism in my left testicle on any day of the week than you’ve amassed in your whole body over the course of your entire life.

    Every time I see a picture of you standing, I marvel that someone was able to stack anti-freedom slime that high.

  10. Eric Dondero

    Hey Illegal Alien Visa skipper Pauli Canolli. I wonder if you’d be so kind as to tell us all here exactly how it is that this post has anything to do with Independent or Third Party candidates running for public office?

    Seems to be it might be more appropriate on a Pro-Bin Laden or Al Qaeda website.

  11. Eric Dondero

    No Knapp, not my word against Canolli’s. It’s Roger Pope’s word against Canolli. And Roger Pope is about the most honest petitioner anyone could ever meet. He told me the whole story, in detail. I was literally horrified.

  12. Thomas L. Knapp

    “I wonder if you’d be so kind as to tell us all here exactly how it is that this post has anything to do with Independent or Third Party candidates running for public office?”

    Setting aside the fact that a “political report” is not necessarily the same thing as “exclusively an electoral political report”:

    – As the article mentions, at least one recent (and possibly future) third party candidate, Cynthia McKinney, spoke at the event.

    – As the article mentions, the event was organized by ANSWER, a front organization for the Workers World Party/Party for Socialism and Liberation.

    I do agree that the Oshry/Spencer anti-freedom hate rally should have been given “equal time,” though. Although IPR generally concentrates on American politics, it does occasionally note the activities foreign groups such as the euro-fascist organizations whose beliefs Oshry/Spencer are attempting to import to the US (the neo-Nazi “English Defence League” had a presence at the rally, and Dutch MP/Islamophobe Geert Wilders was one of the speakers).

  13. Eric Dondero

    I wonder if the editors, publishers and supporters of this website, appreciate the title of this piece, calling Tea Party activists, “racists”?

    I gather there’d be a great many Libertarian Party members who would be surprised to know that a website that professes to be in favor of the Libertarian Party is now comparing Libertarians to the likes of David Duke, NeoNazis, and Louis Farahkan.

  14. Eric Dondero

    That’s interesting that you consider Geert Wilders and Pamela Geller to be “Fascists”? Hmmn. Do you also regard Pim Fortuyn, the Gay activist Presidential candidate in the Netherlands who was assasinated in 2002 by a Muslim sympathizer leftist, to be a “racist”?

    How about Theo van Gogh, who was similarly gunned down in Amsterdam by a Muslim assasin? Van Gogh was also Gay and a noted Women’s Rights advocate.

    How about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders’ close friend and colleague from the Netherlands? Is she a “racist” too? There views are identical. Though, you might have a difficult time calling Ali a “racist,” being that she’s Black and of African origin.

  15. Eric Dondero

    Oops, forgot to mention, Geert Wilders party grew out of Pim Fortuyn’s party after his muder in 2003/04/05.

    Since the party was founded on homosexual rights, and since Wilders’ party The Party of Freedom, is a big advocate of the rights of homosexuals, do you still wish to claim that Geert Wilders is a “Fascist”?

  16. Thomas L. Knapp

    Eric,

    Where did you get the idea that IPR “professes to be in favor of the Libertarian Party?”

    Or, for that matter, that it is IPR calling Tea Party activists “racists?”

    IPR’s mission is to report on independent and third party political news.

    IPR reported that the Party for Socialism and Liberation referred to the Oshry/Spencer rally as a) Tea Party-related and b) racist.

    For an alleged authority on languages, you seem to be possessed of exceedingly poor English reading skills.

  17. Thomas L. Knapp

    Eric,

    I didn’t say that I consider Oshry a fascist. I said that she’s interested in importing euro-fascist politics to the US. My guess, based on her background (hint: There’s a reason she adopted an alias when she went into politics) is that she’s doing so to turn a buck.

    As far as Wilders is concerned, of course fascists like to cover their dung up with the word “freedom,” just like a cat covers up its shit with litter. And they’ll gladly adopt a pro-freedom stance on one issue so that useful idiots like you will point to it when it’s noticed that they’re anti-freedom on everything else.

  18. Mr. Cash

    The Tea Parties I have attended had nothing to do with racism and were all inclusive get togethers of Americans who are concerned about the direction our Great Nation is headed. I have been a Libertarian Party member since the early 1970’s and have found them to be all inclusive Constitutional abiding, freedom loving proponents of liberty.
    These people who try to paint the Tea Partiers and Libertarians as racist have shown they have nothing real to argue so they make up an inflammatory statement in the hope someone will believe them.
    The leftist liberal liars are losing ground and have chosen to throw mud. It is kind of sad to see them wallowing and wailing but the truth is that in the arena of ideas they are bankrupt, and they know it.

  19. Eric Dondero

    Again, please answer the question, and do not deflect, bring up side issues, nor talk chatter about issues have no relation to the question at hand.

    Since you accuse Geert Wilders of being a “Euro-Fascist,” do you also categorize his close friend and political ally and co-producer of Wilders’ film Fitna Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a “fascist,” as well?

    Similarly, do you wish to call the deceased homosexual activists Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh “fascists” since their views are identical to Wilders?

    For that matter, the Party For Freedom has three sitting members of the European Parliament, and 27 sitting Members of Parliament in the Netherlands. Since Geert Wilders is the leader of this Party, do you wish to call these 30 elected officeholders “Fascists”?

  20. Eric Dondero

    Mr. Cash, read the headline of this news story. One of the editors of this website just called the Tea Party “fascist.” Another editor is backing him up and claiming that speakers at this Tea Party rally were “fascists”.

    So, in the view of this website Sir, unless they run a retraction, you as a Libertarian and as an active member of the Tea Party, are a “Fascist.”

  21. Daniel Surman

    @Dondero in 22, IPR reported on a third party, the PSL, calling the rally at Ground Zero racist. Since you have been doing petitioning for a long time, you must be well aware that third parties run a big political spectrum and aren’t all representative of one single outlook. Not a very complicated concept to grasp.

  22. Eric Dondero

    Again, question stands.

    Does Thomas L. Knapp believe that Pim Fortuyn, Theo van Gogh (deceased), and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, all friends and colleagues of Dutch politician Geert Wilders, are “fascists”?

    Mr. Knapp made the statement that Wilder was a “fascist.”

    Since his views are identical to Fortuyn, van Gogh and Ali, does that make them “fascists” too?

    Note, Fortuyn and van Gogh were flamboyant open homosexual rights activists. Ali is a women’s rights activist, and happens to be black.

  23. Kimberly Wilder

    Now that Eric Dondero has resorted to name-calling, personal attacks, and a kind of intimated blackmail, can we ignore him now?

    I hate when I see a comment chain here, and I think political thinking and political work is getting done, only to click and find out that, instead, someone is going off idiotically.

    Re: The Tea Party and racism

    As noted, the article posted here at IPR was quoting another party.

    I have observed threads of racism in The Tea Party. Though, that is not the sum of The Tea Party, and all people in The Tea Party are not racists.

    People who are demonstrating against the “Mosque at Ground Zero” are probably racists. That is, because racists are people so blinded by racism and xenophia, that their hate overcomes logic. Since no one ever proposed an actual mosque, and since whatever it is is not at Ground Zero, people who are demonstrating against a mosque at ground zero must be blinded in some way.

    There are many powerful, greedy people, such as Republican Party propagandists and right wing media hounds who are whipping up racism in people and trying to shuffle that powerful, negative energy into The Tea Party.

    That doesn’t mean The Tea Party is racist.

    But, the PSL may believe that, and has said that. And, Paulie has now reported it.

    Big deal. Move on.

    And, let’s give Eric Dondero a break from typing.

    [Stop feeding the (angry, prolific, misguided, hostile, mean, over-personal) trolls.]

  24. Eric Dondero

    Thank you Kimberly Wilder for confirming your view that you believe that people who oppose the Ground Zero Mosque are “probably racists,” in your view.

    You will be quoted as such in my article, as a representative of this website. And thank you for being the first one in an official capacity of this website to go on record as such. Three of your colleagues got back with me that they did not believe the Tea Party to be “racist.” You are the first to espouse that view. And that’s all I needed.

    Thanks again!

    Eric Dondero, Publisher
    LibertarianRepublican.net

  25. Eric Dondero

    Ms. Wilder, you will be quoted as such:

    “People who are demonstrating against the “Mosque at Ground Zero” are probably racists. That is, because racists are people so blinded by racism and xenophia, that their hate overcomes logic” — Kimberly Wilder, Contributor and Associate, Independent Political Report

  26. Trent Hill

    Eric,

    Ms. Wilder is entitled to her own personal views, but if she writes them in the comments section, she is in no way representing IPR. Period. To print otherwise is 100% false. IPR takes no stance, whatsoever, on whether the tea party is racist or not. You are welcome to mention Ms. Wilder’s opinions, but she does not represent IPR in this regard.

  27. Eric Dondero

    Sorry Trent, I most vehemently and vociferously disagree with you. In fact, I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH YOU!

    Too late bub. She said it. She will be quoted on it. And that settles it.

    Stay tuned for tomorrow’s LibertarianRepublican.net.

    Thanks again Kimberly for being so honest!

  28. Thomas L. Knapp

    So far as I can tell, it is Party of Liberation and Socialism which characterized the rally against the non-mosque several blocks from Ground Zero as a “Tea Party” function. IPR merely reported that the PSL had said that.

    “Since [Geert Wilders’] views are identical to Fortuyn, van Gogh and Ali, does that make them ‘fascists’ too?”

    I rather doubt that Wilders’ van Gogh’s and Ali’s views are “identical” to those of Pim Fortuyn, who was an avowed Marxist (and a professor of “Marxist Sociology”).

    Did Fortuyn, and do Wilders and Ali, mock Jews for a “preoccupation” with the Holocaust, as van Gogh did?

  29. Eric Dondero

    Very clever Knapp. Very clever indeed. But alas, I’m one step ahead of you. In fact, I anticipated that this would be one of your possible responses.

    For the benefit of the readers here, Tom Knapp is using a rather transparent word game ploy.

    Yes, Pim Fortuyn was a “Marxist Sociology professor.” Emphasis on “was.”

    Fortuyn denounced his former Marxist views quite vociferously in his latter political career and adopted free market capitalism and libertarian economics.

    Fortuyn was known as the leading “Dutch libertarian,” in Euro politics. Just Google” Pim Fortuyn libertarian.”

    So, what Knapp is doing here is using a half-truth, just not giving you the full story. As if he didn’t think I’d notice.

    Tsk, tsk…

  30. Eric Dondero

    Again, question stands.

    Let’s put aside the deceased Pim Fortuyn, and Theo van Gogh for a moment.

    Ayaan Ali Hirsit co-produced Geert Wilders’ now famous documentary “Fitna.” She was an ally of Wilders in the Dutch Parliament when Wilders and her were first elected. They’ve maintained a close friendship and political alliance ever since. In some ways, Ms. Ali is even more radically anti-Islamist than Wilder.

    Alas, Ms. Ali happens to be Black. She is originally from Africa, North Africa to be exact.

    Given that her views are virtually identical to those of her friend Geert Wilders, and given that you Thomas L. Knapp have called Wilders a “fascist,” do you then now call Ayaan Hirsi Ali a “fascist” as well?

  31. Thomas L. Knapp

    Eric,

    I am not familiar enough with Ali’s views to judge whether or not they are “virtually identical” to Wilders’ — and I know better than to trust you on the matter.

    I do know that Ali’s distinctly anti-freedom views on immigration were, at one time, similar to those of Wilders, despite the fact that she herself was an “illegal Muslim immigrant” who lied on her asylum application.

    On the other hand, my recollection is that she vocally opposed the eurofascist Flemish Vlams Belaang party, while Wilders allied himself with them.

  32. Trent Hill

    “Sorry Trent, I most vehemently and vociferously disagree with you. In fact, I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH YOU!

    Too late bub. She said it. She will be quoted on it. And that settles it.

    Stay tuned for tomorrow’s LibertarianRepublican.net. ”

    You’re free to disagree, but you’re wrong. IPR has never made any statement which made any value judgment regarding the tea party. You’re free to quote Kimberly Wilders, but she is not representing IPR when she says the tea party has strains of racism. You’re just hounding for a story–and in doing so, you’re ignoring basically all rules of ethics and journalistic integrity.

    But I’m about to pull the rug out from under you. Ready for it?

    Here is my official statement: Kimberly Wilders is free to make statements regarding racism and the tea party, but she does not do so as a representative of IPR. She is just one of many writers at IPR. As the Chief Editor, I do not believe the tea party is, at its core, racist–though certainly some racists taker umbrage in the movement–just like any movement. This, too, is not the official view of IPR, but rather the view of its Chief Editor. IPR takes no stances one way or the other.”

  33. Eric Dondero

    Awwwwwwwwwww. You got to be kidding me. What a cop-out! I thought you were better than that. Really!

    You can’t answer the question cause you know damned well I’ve got you backed into a corner.

    You’re trapped. If you call a Black Woman a “fascist,” than that will open you up to the charge of racism. If you agree with me, that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a libertarian, than you have to admit that you were wrong on Wilders, and that indeed he’s a libertarian, as well.

    So, you come up with the sorry ass excuse that you don’t know enough about a friggin’ NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLING AUTHOR AND WELL-KNOWN WORLDWIDE HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIFIST AND ANTI-ISLAMIST ACTIVIST.

    Ms. Ali is better known right now than Wilders. Yet you claim you don’t know her.

    Hah! What a cop out.

  34. Eric Dondero

    Shiiiiiit. Since when did you become “Chief Editor” of IPR? Gimmee a break.

    This website belongs to Paulie Cannoli and Trent Hill. You’re just a backbencher Knapp. Don’t hand me that.

    And as I told IPR’s Chief Editor Trent Hill TOO FRIGGIN LATE! I’ve seen no retraction of her remarkes from Ms. Wilder. She’s on the record. And unless she resigns her post here at IPR in the next 12 to 14 hours, my article will run as is: An associate/contributor for Independent Political Report accused the Tea Party of being “racist.”

  35. Fence sitter

    I’m somewhat new to this site, but if Eric Dondero is typical of the exchanges here, I’ll pass. He puts words into others’ mounths, and keeps hounding the radical/left side as if they’re the ones out of sync with reality. What Ms. Wilders said was appropriate re: her opinion of the activities over the weekend, and Mr Hill’s statement also was appropriate to the position of a third party website.

    I appears to me that Mr Dondero is a troll with nothing to do but cause trouble.

  36. Eric Dondero

    Here’s a little something I just pulled down from Radio Netherlands website on Geert and Ayaan, March 23, 2010:

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali has returned to the Netherlands with the same message as when she left: Islam needs its own period of ‘Enlightenment’. Ms Hirsi Ali is back for one week to promote her most recent book, Nomad. It’s her first substantial visit since leaving the Dutch parliament four years ago to live in the United States.

    Her main point still is that Muslim integration into Dutch society can only succeed if Muslim immigrants fully embrace Dutch values and leave their own values behind. The two systems of thought cannot be combined.

    “The idea that the two can be combined is why the problem has lasted so long, and become so entrenched as to be nearly intractable: people have contradictory expectations.”

    Once a rising star
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is living proof of what an individual immigrant from a Muslim background can accomplish.

    Born in Somalia, but raised in three other countries, she gained refugee status in the Netherlands in 1992, under what were later revealed to be false pretences.

    After learning Dutch and pursuing higher education she first went to work for the Dutch Labour Party’s research institute.

    The conservative VVD party recruited her as a candidate for parliament, where she handled integration issues for three years. She herself nearly faced charges similar to those facing Mr Wilders, after she called the Muslim prophet Mohammed a paedophile.

    She received protection from the government after making the film Submission with Theo van Gogh, who was later murdered by a Muslim extremist. Revelations about lying to gain refugee status indirectly led to the fall of the government, and she emigrated to the United States.

    Four years later, Ms Hirsi Ali has tempered her approach, if not her ideas. She continues to live under constant protection in the US, at her own expense. But she enjoys greater anonymity and a freer lifestyle than she had in the Netherlands.

    Wilders good
    In her criticism of Muslim integration, the former Dutch conservative VVD party MP echoes many of the ideas of Geert Wilders, once her VVD colleague and now leader of his ‘own’ Freedom Party (PVV). Mr Wilders’ party is likely to become one of the largest, if not the largest, in the country after the general election on 9 June.

    He is currently on trial facing charges of inciting hatred toward Muslims. Ms Hirsi Ali disagrees. She says that on the contrary, Mr Wilders is preventing violence by allowing a segment of the population to channel their anger by voting rather than rioting. Wilders is good for the Netherlands she says.

    But she also criticises the Freedom Party leader for raising false expectations.

    “I have also learned that you have to translate political proposals into policy, and my critique for Geert Wilders is that his proposals have raised expectations that cannot be translated into policy.”

    Ms Hirsi Ali portrays herself as more pragmatic than Mr Wilders.

    Still controversial
    Ms Hirsi Ali’s future remains uncertain. The publication of her latest book here in the Netherlands, and the publicity tour she has organised, reveal her ongoing interest in Dutch affairs.

    And, in case anyone forgot, she can still stir things up. An avowed atheist, she says the government should promote the Enlightenment – the period in and around the 18th century when many in Europe began to emphasise the importance of science and reason over religion – as an alternative to Islam.

    “And for those who really cannot live without God, better a caring Jesus than a warlord like Mohammed.”

  37. Eric Dondero

    Got that? Ayaan Hirsi Ali called the “prophet Muhammed” a “peodophile.” I don’t think even Wilders has ever gone that far.

    Again, Mr. Thomas L. Knapp, is Ayaan Hirsi Ali a “fascist”?

  38. Trent Hill

    “This website belongs to Paulie Cannoli and Trent Hill. You’re just a backbencher Knapp. Don’t hand me that. ”

    It actually belongs to neither of us. It belongs to my boss. I am Chief Editor. Paulie, while a much appreciated editor, is not an owner nor does he exercise control over IPR. Knapp isn’t a backbencher either, he helped to found IPR and still has a good deal of sway here.

  39. Ian Wilder

    First Trent, our last name is Wilder, not Wilders. We are not related to that racist from Holland.

    Eric, I am posting here because you sent me an unsolicitited bulk email requesting I do so.

    Do you consider these views of Geert Wilders from Wikipedia to be racist or not?

    “[Geert Wilders] advocates banning the Qur’an,[3] taxing women who wear the headscarf,[3] ending immigration from Muslim countries,[4] and banning the construction of new mosques.

  40. Kimberly Wilder

    A cordial request to my friends as well as my detractors:

    In this conversation, could we be sure to say “Geert Wilders”, with his full name, when that is who you mean?

    With minor spelling and/or reading mistakes, I do not want “Wilder” — me — being confused with “Wilders” — him.

    Many thanks,
    Kimberly Wilder

  41. Eric Dondero

    Ian, I consider affirmative action and racial quotas to be racist. I am not aware that Geert Wilders supports either of those proposals.

    What you mention above are cultural issues, not racial issues.

    I am sure that Mr. Wilders, like me and other anti-IslamoFascists have absolutely no problem whatsoever with Muslims who assimilate to Dutch (or American) culture.

    For example, there’s a group I absolutely adore, called “Muslims for America.” They’re out of Colorado. The main guy’s a bigtime Republican. They are extremely patriotic. And they are Muslims. Their religion matters nothing to me. They love the United States and are fierce opponents of Radical Islam and Islamic Terrorism. And for that they are my brothers and sisters.

  42. Eric Dondero

    Ian Wilder do you support quotas based on race for college admission and job hiring, particularly for government positions? Do you support affirmative action programs?

    If you do, than I consider you to be a racist.

  43. Eric Dondero

    Again, question still stands:

    Is Ayaan Hirsi Ali a “fascist”? Mr. Knapp? Mr. Wilder? Ms. Wilder? Mr. Hill? Anyone care to answer that question.

    If you’ve read the article above she has taken a more radically anti-Islam0Fascist line than Geert Wilders, even calling Muhammed a “peodophile.”

    Mr. Ian Wilder is quick to call Geert Wilders a “racist.” Does he care to do the same for African-Dutchwoman Ayaan Hirsi Ali, since she shared identical views to Wilders?

  44. Thomas L. Knapp

    Eric,

    Of course I don’t think calling Mohammed a pedophile makes someone a fascist — if the generally accepted histories are accurate he was a pedophile.

    So now that Ali and I agree on something, does that make me a Somalian immigrant to the Netherlands?

    You write:

    “You’re trapped. If you call a Black Woman a ‘fascist,’ than [sic] that will open you up to the charge of racism.”

    Yes, it will open me up to the charge of racism … from idiots.

    “If you agree with me, that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a libertarian, than [sic] you have to admit that you were wrong on Wilders, and that indeed he’s a libertarian, as well.”

    Really? What was Wilders’ position on the Taida Pasic case — the case that led to Ali’s Dutch citizenship being revoked by Rita Verdonk, an immigration minister of Wilders’ (and Ali’s) own party?

    If Ali’s and Wilders’ views are nearly identical, then why don’t they say so? Wilders characterizes Islam as a political ideology rather than a religion, and one fundamentally incompatible with freedom to boot. Ali characterizes Islam as a religion going through its hopefully temporary “Dark Age.” Which one of them is lying about what he or she really thinks, since their stated views are nowhere near “identical?”

    Form what little I know of her, Ali may be substantially libertarian (except on immigration, where she’s libertarian in practice for herself and Taida Pasic, but authoritarian in theory for everyone else). Even a few minutes’ reading reveals a lot of daylight between her views and Wilders’, though.

  45. paulie Post author

    There were 40,000 at the Anti Ground Zero Mosque rally.

    Wow, a whole sentence of total distortions!

    …Not Ground Zero
    …Not a Mosque
    …Not anywhere near 40,000

  46. paulie Post author

    There were less than 1,500 at the Racist America-hating rally across the street in support of Al Qaeda and Islamic Terrorist attacks on the United States.

    …And even less truth in that one. I see Dondero is on a roll…

  47. paulie Post author

    Hey Canolli, what’s your Visa status?

    I use Mastercard, no Visa.

    Killing dogs in Federal Parks is a crime you know.

    I’m not even friends with Fincher anymore, but I still don’t think he did it. No one besides you has ever accused me of having anything to do with it.

    Being that you came into the United States illegally from the fmr. Soviet Union,

    I came in legally and am a US citizen.

    I wouldn’t be so quick to commit acts of violence against animals, particularly pets, if I were you.

    So does that mean you are quick to commit acts of violence against animals, particularly pets, since you’re not me?

    Ah, maybe the dog mystery has finally been solved.

    Say, don’t you live in Texas, where the dog was killed?

  48. paulie Post author

    But if you’re an illegal alien

    Not on this planet, but I suppose I would be if I ever visited yours. Again, I’m a US citizen since 1986, and I was a refugee from the Soviet Union. I don’t want to see this country turn into the Soviet Union. Dondero’s anti-American ideology threatens to take us down that path: a broke, corrupt global empire engaged in constant surveillance of its citizenry and disastrous wars abroad, its wartime footing leading to economic nationalization as wars always do.

    You’re a guest here. Act like one. And respect our laws and our values.

    I’m not a “guest” any more than Eric is, and I’m certainly far more in line with American values.

  49. paulie Post author

    Hey Knapp, we all know Pauli Canolli is an illegal alien who hates America.

    You and all the voices in your head? BTW, it’s just Paulie now. No more cannoli.

    unlike Canolli who was born outside of the United States and overstayed his temporary Visa.

    LOL. It was permanent refugee relocation, leading to citizenship when I was 13 years old. This amazing distortion of facts on Dondero’s part is par for the course, and as accurate as anything else he writes.

    Not too mention was a participant in the slaughter of a pet dog in a national forest in Alabama.

    It was in Texas, so it’s more likely that Dondero was a participant than that I was. We know he has a fetish for war and killing, after all.

  50. paulie Post author

    Hey Illegal Alien Visa skipper Pauli Canolli.

    Andother sentence composed exclusively of errors. How does Donderror manage to do it so often?

    I wonder if you’d be so kind as to tell us all here exactly how it is that this post has anything to do with Independent or Third Party candidates running for public office?

    Why, it was posted on a third party website, linked in the article. Thanks for asking.

    Seems to be it might be more appropriate on a Pro-Bin Laden or Al Qaeda website.

    I don’t usually read your pro-bin ladin, pro-al qaida “libertarian” Republican site, so I wouldn’t know.

  51. paulie Post author

    It’s Roger Pope’s word against Canolli.

    Podgie claims I killed his dog now? This I have to hear. Have him come on here if you would please.

    Roger Pope is about the most honest petitioner anyone could ever meet.

    ROFL. Podgie Pope is a name synonymous with tall tales. Every time he tells a story it gets better.

    So now the dog was killed in Alabama and I had something to do with it? That’s a new one, even for Roger. If he is claiming it, that is. I won’t take Dondero’s word for it, though.

  52. paulie Post author

    I do agree that the Oshry/Spencer anti-freedom hate rally should have been given “equal time,” though. Although IPR generally concentrates on American politics, it does occasionally note the activities foreign groups such as the euro-fascist organizations whose beliefs Oshry/Spencer are attempting to import to the US (the neo-Nazi “English Defence League” had a presence at the rally, and Dutch MP/Islamophobe Geert Wilders was one of the speakers).

    As an IPR correspondent, you are welcome to write it up, as long as you point out these connections in the article.

  53. paulie Post author

    I wonder if the editors, publishers and supporters of this website, appreciate the title of this piece, calling Tea Party activists, “racists”?

    Our headlines are those of our sources, I don’t write them or necessarily agree with them. So for example, if the headline says PSL: ‘Thousands of people protest near Ground Zero in opposition to racist Tea Party rally’, that means that this is a statement from the PSL, not a statement from myself or IPR. That is why the part after PSL is in quotes. Similarly, if the headline were to say, for example, Constitution Party: ‘Illegal Alien Invaders Fleeing Colorado in Anticipation of Tancredo Win’, that doesn’t mean the person posting it, or IPR, agrees with the CP’s take on that issue – just that we are reporting on it. On that same hypothetical story, we may or may not post a completely different take from another source, for example: Socialist Party USA: ‘Racist Tancredo campaign causing pogroms against undocumented workers in Colorado’. By posting either, or both, stories, we are not agreeing or disagreeing with them – just reporting them and making them available for discussion.

    I gather there’d be a great many Libertarian Party members who would be surprised to know that a website that professes to be in favor of the Libertarian Party

    IPR does not profess to be in favor of any party or ideology. In fact, we specifically disavow that we are in favor of any party or ideology, as a site. As individuals, we all have our own views. For example, I’m a Libertarian, Red Phillips is a Constitutionalist, Ross Levin is a Green, etc.

    is now comparing Libertarians to the likes of David Duke, NeoNazis, and Louis Farahkan.

    I read the PSL’s story. It mentioned nothing about Libertarians.

  54. paulie Post author

    Mr. Cash, read the headline of this news story. One of the editors of this website just called the Tea Party “fascist.”

    Nope, I reported that the PSL called the rally both racist and tea party connected. I did not agree or disagree with their take by posting the story. (You can take the foregoing two sentences as a statement by IPR).

    However, it is true that certain non-libertarian elements in the tea party – who don’t speak for all tea partiers, much less libertarians – did promote the anti-Muslim bigots’ rally. (The foregoing sentence is my personal opinion, not that of IPR).

    As for Tom, he did not call the Tea Party fascist…he called this rally fascist, which it certainly had the hallmarks and trappings of. I notice that Dondero goes even further than the PSL in associating the fascist rally with all tea partiers. Fascists and state-socialists share this penchant for propaganda that paints with too broad a brush.

    Another editor is backing him up and claiming that speakers at this Tea Party rally were “fascists”.

    Our opinions as individuals expressed in the comment sections are our personal views and don’t speak for IPR, although as far as I have read yet, neither Tom nor myself have agreed with the PSL that this was a “Tea Party” rally. In this respect, Dondero is a lot more in agreement with the Party for Socialism and Liberation than we are.

    So, in the view of this website Sir, unless they run a retraction, you as a Libertarian and as an active member of the Tea Party, are a “Fascist.”

    The sole view of this website in this matter is that an alternative political party in the United States posted an article on their website. We don’t agree or disagree with an article just because we reprint it.

    The PSL’s article says nothing whatsoever about Libertarians.

    Every single element of Dondero’s contentions here is a deliberate distortion.

  55. paulie Post author

    @Dondero in 22, IPR reported on a third party, the PSL, calling the rally at Ground Zero racist. Since you have been doing petitioning for a long time, you must be well aware that third parties run a big political spectrum and aren’t all representative of one single outlook. Not a very complicated concept to grasp.

    He grasps it just fine. He’s deliberately trying to see how well he can distort reality for propaganda purposes, like all authoritarians everywhere.

  56. paulie Post author

    People who are demonstrating against the “Mosque at Ground Zero” are probably racists. That is, because racists are people so blinded by racism and xenophia, that their hate overcomes logic.

    Basically correct, except that it is religious, not racial, bigotry. There are Muslims of all so-called “races,” just as there are anti-Muslim bigots of all so-called races.

  57. paulie Post author

    Sorry Trent, I most vehemently and vociferously disagree with you

    LOL. Dondero disagrees with our editor as to what stances this site takes. Ooooo-kay.

  58. paulie Post author

    This website belongs to Paulie Cannoli and Trent Hill.

    Nope, I’m a “back bencher” as well. I have no official position at IPR that is any higher than Knapp’s, Levin’s, Kimberly Wilder’s, Surman’s, etc. I’ve posted more articles and comments than other writers here, but that does not give me any ownership share.

    Technically Trent is not the owner either, but he is his representative.

  59. paulie Post author

    So now that Ali and I agree on something, does that make me a Somalian immigrant to the Netherlands?

    LOL. That would be about as accurate as anything Dondero writes in this thread.

  60. paulie Post author

    VIA EMAIL:

    — On Tue, 9/14/10, Trent Hill wrote:

    From: Trent Hill
    Subject: Re: Ind. Political Report says Tea Party “Racist”
    To: “Richard Winger” , “Richard Winger” , “Austin Cassidy” , “Eric Dondero”
    Cc: mclintock@majority.com, thomaslknapp@yahoo.com, brian@holtz.org, damoneris@gmail.com, Kimberly Wilder, Ian Wilder
    Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 4:04 PM

    The headline is in quotes and indicates that this is a direct quote from the “PSL” (Party for Socialism and Liberation). It in no way reflects on how IPR views the tea parties. You claim to be a journalist, you ought to know what quotes are for Eric.

    — On Tue, 9/14/10, Eric Dondero wrote:

    From: Eric Dondero
    Subject: Ind. Political Report says Tea Party “Racist”
    To: (same list of recipients)
    Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 1:52 PM

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Your name and website is listed on the side bar of Independent Political Report as a supporter of the objectives and goals of the website. The second headliner story for today is:

    PSL: ‘Thousands of people protest near Ground Zero in opposition to racist Tea Party rally’

    The piece was written by a man who goes by the name Paulie F******, but at other times uses an alias Paulie Canolli, or Paulie Smith, ect…

    I was wondering if you’d be so kind as to comment on the title of this piece and to go on record, in support of the statement that the Tea Party is “racist”?

    If you do not support the statement that the Tea Party is “racist,” please let me know ASAP, so tht I may remove your name and website from the list of organizations that support this view. You can email me, or call me directly on my cell 979-848-4575.

    We will be running a story on this shortly at http://www.authoritarianrepublican.net for our readers. And of course, we will be listing the names and websites of organizations and individuals who support the website. As you’re probably aware, Libertarians nationwide would be quite interested to learn that a website which professes to support the Libertarian Party, is headlining a story calling the Libertarian Tea Party activsts, “racist.” And they’ll be especially interested to know the names and organizations that support such a view.

    Thank you,

    Eric Dondero, Publisher
    LibertarianRepublican.net

    Eric’s contentions are entirely false.

    1. I’ve never gone by the names “Paulie Smith” or “Paulie F******”. “Paulie” is a nom de plume based on my real name, Paul. Paulie Cannoli is a nickname which I used because it rhymes. I stopped using the Cannoli part because too many people were confused and thought it was a real last name. Now it’s just Paulie.

    I’ve asked Eric and others not to use my real last name because I have received specific, credible death threats. That is one of the reasons I post under a pseudonym.

    2. The story was not “written by me.” I reported it as a statement by the Party for Socialism and Liberation. The original article is reproduced exactly as they posted it; I added nothing to it. No post on IPR necessarily reflects the views of the IPR reporter who posted it, much less the site as a whole.

    3. In regards to Dondero’s statement, “Your name and website is listed on the side bar of Independent Political Report as a supporter of the objectives and goals of the website. ”

    What does this mean? I think Eric has been around the internet long enough to know what a website link is. Just in case he really is that stupid: none of the sites we link to are in any way, shape or form responsible for anything posted on IPR, nor is IPR in any way, shape or form responsible for what sites we link to post.

    4. ED: If you do not support the statement that the Tea Party is “racist,” please let me know ASAP, so tht I may remove your name and website from the list of organizations that support this view.

    Paulie: OK, here you go: I do not support the statement that the Tea Party is racist. Thanks, you may now remove me and everyone else from your silly McCarthyite list.

    5. ED: As you’re probably aware, Libertarians nationwide would be quite interested to learn that a website which professes to support the Libertarian Party, is headlining a story calling the Libertarian Tea Party activsts, “racist.”

    Paulie: wrong is every particular.

    A) IPR does not profess to support the Libertarian Party, or the Party for Socialism and Liberation, or any other party or ideology. What we support is more, stronger, and better covered alternatives to the Democrats and Republicans.

    B) The headline in question reports the views of the PSL, not the views of IPR.

    C) Their story said nothing about Libertarians, the Libertarian Party, or libertarians.

    D) Personal statement: It is true that there are both some racists and some libertarians in the Tea Parties, although neither libertarians nor racists predominate the Tea Parties. The PSL is correct that the rally in question was motivated by bigotry, although it was religious, not racial, bigotry. It is true that some non-libertarian elements who associate with Tea Parties promoted, but Dondero and the PSL are the ones calling it a Tea Party rally…I personally disagree with that characterization.

    Paulie

    415.690.6352, cell.

  61. paulie Post author

    Sewer Socialist // Sep 14, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    I am a socialist and yet more libertarian then Eric Dondero.

    That’s unfortunate, but not uncommon.

  62. Andy

    “Hey Knapp, we all know Pauli Canolli is an illegal alien who hates America.”

    This is completely false. I’ve known Paul for over 6 years and I can tell you that he is not an illegal alien. Even though he has a philosophical disagreement with the concept of government borders, his family immigrated to the USA legally and he became a naturalized American citizen back in the 1980s. I’ve seen his naturalization papers.

    Also, Paul does not hate America. He disagrees with the government (although it should be pointed out that he disagrees with all coercive governments) but he loves many things about American culture as well as the geography of America itself. Saying that he “hates America” is not only false, it is absurd.

    “Killing dogs in Federal Parks is a crime you know. Being that you came into the United States illegally from the fmr. Soviet Union, I wouldn’t be so quick to commit acts of violence against animals, particularly pets, if I were you.”

    The dog killing accusation was not made against Paul, it was Gary who was accused of this, although the accuser, Roger Pope, never produced any evidence to back up this accusation, and the date when this incident allegedly took place was changed multiple times. The fact that the dates kept changing and the fact that no evidence connecting Gary to the allegeded incident was ever presented leads me to conclude that Roger made it up.

  63. Hmmm ...

    Trent Hill @ 34,

    ?

    “umbrage” as in take umbrage …

    I think you meant “take refuge” …

    … some racists take refuge …

  64. Andy

    It is blatantly obvious that Paul merely posted an article from the Party of Socialism and Libertation. This does NOT mean that Paul agrees with the article, nor does it mean that Paul is a supporter of the Party of Socialism and Libertation.

    The purpose of Independent Political Report is to let people know what is going on with various minor political parties and indepedent candidates. Posting this article from the Party of Socialism and Libertation was NEWS REPORTING. Reporting news is not the same thing as advocating a position.

    Paul is actually in total agreement with the libertarian roots of the Tea Party, the original purpose ofwhich was to protest taxes and big government spending. Paul is disappointed that the Tea Party has been co-opted by some Republicans who hold views that are not libertarian, however, he does not believe that these views represent everyone who is involved with the Tea Party Movement.

  65. Sludge Puppy and the Scum Lords

    Wikipedia has this for us from Mark Twain: “Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it”.

  66. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Letters to the editor, Sept. 13, 2010
    Comments September 12, 2010:

    editorial@desertdispatch.com.

    Freedoms apply to all citizens Around the world, every day, [Lake: that depends on the locale. Americans are not exempt from local laws. Duh?]

    Why is it that Bibles and, in fact, Christians being eliminated [Lake: where, how, when? You mean dumb assed UC students voluntarily crossing into Iran?] causes not the tiniest stir …… There is nothing too evil, nasty, or profane to say about Christianity, but Islam is treated with kid gloves. [By whom, when, where?]

    These simply cannot coexist [Lake: says whom?] and I wonder how this will be resolved. [I know you from my care campus days. You have always been confused about a lot of things, even after the details were carefully, slowly explained!]

    Are we waiting for the first stonings on U.S. soil? [Oh, SINCE the Puritan Days in New England; also ‘pressing’ and ‘dunking’! Duh!]

    We’ve already had genitalia mutilations [in the USA?], and honor killings [in the USA?]. No outcry. [Lake: Lot’s of out cry, but from a distance!]

    Perhaps, we’ve already had stonings; they just weren’t reported by the media [Lake: may be the Salem Witch Watch Press?]. Could that be possible? [Lake: You are merely 100% wrong!] Lack of assimilation is a good cover up. [Lake: I can not disagree there!]

    Nancy Dittman,
    27315 High View Avenue
    Barstow [CAlifornia]
    92311 – 5110

    [Lake: This gal needs to ‘hook up’ with Quirk Boy and Durange -O ……….. birds of a feather ……….]

  67. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Blogger Pamela Geller began calling for a boycott earlier this month via her widely read site, Atlas Shrugs.

    The halal soups, designated with a special label, are available only [by New Jersey’s Campbell] in Canada. The company has no plans to offer a similar line in the United States, said John Faulkner, a company spokesm

    Geller, who was instrumental in whipping up opposition to an Islamic community center and mosque in Lower Manhattan, said she has no objection to the halal certification itself.

    …… she said, she opposes Campbell’s decision to have its Canadian products certified by the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), an organization that government prosecutors alleged had ties to the terrorist group Hamas in a 2007 conspiracy case.

    “No one is suggesting they refrain from this line,” Geller said. “No one is suggesting they not have halal food.

    I’m not against halal food any more than I’m against kosher food. My issue is who’s doing the certifying.”

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