Discord Abounds On Libertarian National Committee

From Brian Irving:

On the heels of the Libertarian Party of North Carolina withdrawing from the Libertarian National Committee’s Region 1, the Texas Libertarian Party has directed it chair to seek the removal of the region’s representative Stewart Flood…

In December, the N.C. Libertarian executive committee voted unanimously to withdraw from the region. “Region representatives should proactively seek input from the members of the region,” wrote Barbara Howe, LPNC chair in an e-mail message to the national committee. “Since the 2010 convention, we have received exactly one communication from just one of our alleged representatives — a request for comments on the 2012 convention location.”

Howe said that this was a “continuation of a historical pattern of virtually nonexistent communication between us and our regional representatives.”

These sentiments were echoed in Texas.

“The feeling is that Stewart has never really represented the region,” said LP state chair Pat Dixon. “While I was on the national committee he never presented a single regional report, nor has he ever asked me as Texas state chair what was going on in Texas.”

Dixon said that the Texas LP executive committee also recommended that R. Lee Wrights be appointed to replace Flood. That decision will be made by the state chairs of the region.

The immediate effect of the LP North Carolina’s exit remains unclear; such a situation appears largely unprecedented.

Both the Libertarian Parties of Texas and North Carolina are active state affiliates; while their candidates’ numbers deflated as election day approached, earlier in the cycle their campaigns at the top of the ticket polled between high single digits and low double digits.

No matter what happens with Flood, there are already three more vacancies on the LNC with the passing of party founder David Nolan, installment of former party chairman Bill Redpath as Treasurer, and resignation of Region 4 Alternate Don Wills from the party. It is not clear who will take these posts, but there has been some buzz around former LNC Chair candidate John Jay Myers, former regional representative and Senate candidate Rebecca Sink-Burris, Dixon, and former Judge Jim Gray.

23 thoughts on “Discord Abounds On Libertarian National Committee

  1. Down and Out in Dixie

    “On the heels of the Libertarian Party of North Carolina withdrawing from the Libertarian National Committee’s Region 1”

    Is that correct? I have been told that they bylaws don’t allows this in between conventions and that therefore NC is still in Region 1 whether they like it or not.

  2. Down and Out in Dixie

    “Dixon said that the Texas LP executive committee also recommended that R. Lee Wrights be appointed to replace Flood. ”

    This means he would have to resign from the Judicial Committee first, correct?

  3. paulie

    I have been told that they bylaws don’t allows this in between conventions and that therefore NC is still in Region 1 whether they like it or not.

    Anyone have additional information on that?

  4. paulie

    continuation of a historical pattern of virtually nonexistent communication between us and our regional representatives.

    Whatever you might think of Stewart’s voting record, this is not correct. I saw Stewart and Barr at multiple state conventions, but it can be argued Barr was doing it as a prospective presidential candidate. This year, Doug Craig was at the Alabama convention. Prior to that, I went to quite a few Alabama conventions and we never heard from our region reps – at least since the 1990s.

    The real issue here is not representation, it is factionalism. There are people who are not happy with Stewart because he supported Barr, brought complaints against Keaton, and voted to have the convention in Las Vegas rather than Dallas, among other things.

  5. Robert Milnes

    Come on radicals. Purge.
    Non libertarians for party positions or candidacies.
    Rightists. Root. Barr-dictator lackey.
    Original Nolan Resolution>
    The Milnes Resolution.
    Or abandon the LP en masse > BTP.

  6. paulie

    there are already three more vacancies on the LNC with the passing of party founder David Nolan, installment of former party chairman Bill Redpath as Treasurer, and resignation of Region 4 Alternate Don Wills from the party.

    Wills will be replaced by his region chairs, if I understand correctly.

  7. paulie

    It is not clear who will take these posts, but there has been some buzz around former LNC Chair candidate John Jay Myers, former regional representative and Senate candidate Rebecca Sink-Burris, Dixon, and former Judge Jim Gray.

    Sink-Burris was elected to the LNC this term as a region rep, and is off the committee because she was not at two meetings in a row. It has been said that this is because she was busy running for office, but one of those meetings was after the election. Unless the bylaws don’t allow it, if she wants back on the LNC, it should be as region rep, not as At Large.

    I highly recommend John Jay Myers for one of the At Large spots. Nolan was one of his nominators, and either recruited or facilitated his entry into the chairs race. Of course, David Nolan can’t truly be replaced, but to the extent that he chose a successor, it is JJM. I have not heard this from Dixon directly, but I have been told that Pa Dixon said that, while he is willing to serve, if it’s one or the other he would rather have JJM on there over himself.

    I think both of them would be fine as well, although some people think that would give Texas too many members on the committee. Given the activity level in Texas I don’t see that as necessarily being a problem.

    So, out of these choices, I would say definitely Myers, and then either Dixon or Gray for the other spot would be fine.

    Of course, there will probably be other applicants as well.

  8. paulie

    http://www.nolanchart.com/article8299.html

    “In an unrelated matter, the Texas committee recommended that John Jay Meyers be appointed to fill one of the two vacant at-large positions on the national committee.

    According the Libertarian Party bylaws, “representative regions may be formed or dissolved once every two years during a period beginning 90 days before the beginning of and ending on the second day of the national convention” so it is unclear what effect the LPNC withdrawal from the region has. Each region selects its own representatives to the LNC.”

  9. Thomas L. Knapp

    Paulie@9,

    My guess is the only effect LPNC’s withdrawal will have is that they will be able to credibly deny responsibility for the votes of the regional representative, or for the actions of the LNC itself.

  10. Marc Montoni

    I think the title would apply to the LNC from 1972 onwards.

    In my opinion, the LPNC cannot “withdraw” from the point of view of the national party, because the bylaws do not have any way to recognize such a withdrawal.

    However, the LPNC is certainly free to “withdraw” if they want to call it that. Their “withdrawal” will have the effect of boycotting their LNC rep and disavowing all decisions he makes as their purported regional rep.

    In other words, “same difference”. If LPNC subsequently decides to un-withdraw, they are still entitled to their seat at the LNC regional table.

    The LNC, on the other hand, is obligated to treat LPNC as if they are still part of the region — because they ARE, under the bylaws.

  11. Kevin Knedler

    “Discord abounds”. That’s a laugh.
    All in all, I think it to be the opposite.

  12. paulie

    Yeah…sounds like a tempest in a teapot.

    Gotta give our writers some credit for trying to stir up a little readership though 🙂

  13. George Phillies

    The LPNC could however join Texas in the process for removing a Regional Rep. I do not know if they use the default ‘majority of state chairs’ or if like my region they have a more substantial rule.

  14. Danny Keeton

    Hey, I heard that Texas was pretty underhanded in how they did this. They never told Mr. Flood that they were unhappy with his performance. They never gave him the courtesy of telling him they were going to discuss and vote on his future at their meeting. They didn’t give him a chance to address their complaints or defend himself. Stewart says Pat’s comments above aren’t even true, and if they’d just asked him he could have shown them the facts.

    Texas: Is this true? Did you really put the guy on trial without letting him defend himself?

    If so, SHAME ON YOU!!!

    Didn’t anyone sitting in that room feel like they ought to talk to him first? Didn’t anyone speak up to say it didn’t seem right?

  15. Danny Keeton

    When you don’t allow a person to defend themselves from accusations, critical facts can be missed.

    Since the region that includes Texas is a triple region, the reps and alternates in that region divided up the states between them, and Texas wasn’t even Stewart’s responsibility!

    An LNC alternate from Texas was the designated regional contact point for Texas, not Stewart. How can Texas blame Stewart for not talking to them enough, when Texas wasn’t even his territory? LOL. Apparently the LNC alternate from Texas was not at the meeting where Texas voted on this, and they didn’t talk to either him or Stewart before proceeding to vote on it.

    And wasn’t Pat Dixon ON the LNC last term? Could he not open his own mouth and report news from Texas? Is he saying that his state wasn’t represented well while he was on the LNC?

  16. paulie

    All valid questions.

    Why doesn’t someone step up and ask them in an article they publish somewhere and send us the link to?

    Stewart can send us such an article. Aaron Starr could even post it. If not, I would.

    Similarly, if Aaron or someone on his behalf would like to write a response to Mary Ruwart

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/02/mary-ruwart-open-letter-to-the-florida-and-idaho-libertarian-party-state-executive-committees/

    Instead of just posting anon comments with an IP anonymizer, I will post it as an article here if no one else will.

    Give us something to work with here, guys.

    Phillies, Wrights, et al., publish their articles on their own websites and send the links to IPR.

    Y’all could do the same thing.

    We want all sides to be heard and for everyone to have a chance to discuss all the different takes on the controversies.

    Send us some articles. Please.

    A lot more people read them than your anon/pseudo comments.

    Give us something to work with….we are not trying to be one sided here. We’ll work with you. If you work with us.

  17. FYI! [More Don Lake]

    ……….. and ya close youse eyes and say to your self ‘the other alternative activist will not notice the LP dysfunction’ —— and if that #&@$^#$ Don Lake speaks up, dog pile on the messenger and ignore the message. ……….

    LP: ‘we have met the enemy and he is us!’

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