Wayne Root: Libya Makes Obama’s Final Four – Too Bad America Loses

By Wayne Allyn Root, Former Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee and Author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian”

The Middle East is in flames, we’re now fighting wars on three fronts, Japan has suffered a catastrophe, real unemployment is twenty percent, the housing market is in free fall, and the country is drowning in debt. Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Obama chooses to play golf, make Final FourMarch Madness picks, and party with his family in Rio.

This is madness. Did we elect the President, or “The Ultimate Sports Fanatic?” Will Obama choose the day there’s a massive earthquake in California, or a stock market crash, to honor the college Frisbee Champions?

As befuddled and detached as our President has proven to be, nothing compares to the sin of cooking up a war, and putting American soldiers’ lives at risk, to distract the masses from his disastrous reign. As everything Obama touches turns to disaster, has Obama’s cynical kitchen cabinet decided war is the perfect “Weapon of Mass Distraction?”

Wars tend to make Americans patriotic and rally behind the President. They tend to forget the economic tragedy building by the day and ignore the signs of Armageddon all around them. Mission Accomplished! Haven’t we heard that before? It didn’t work out too well the first time either.

Why should we risk American lives in Libya? Is Gadhafi any worse than all the other murdering, tin pot dictators we either support or do nothing about? Why not invade Darfur on George Clooney’s recommendation? Innocent people are dying there, too.

Before we start a third war, shouldn’t we all ask a few questions? Has Libya attacked us or any American interests of late? I know of no such attacks. And, by the way, who is Obama to tell Gadhafi to step down because he’s “lost the confidence of his people?” Sounds like Obama has been looking in the mirror again. Maybe the French should demand Obama step down?

Last I checked, Gadhafi is a bad guy — a murdering thug. But he’s been a bad guy for forty years. Why now? Worse, the rebels fighting Gadhafi are supported by al Qaeda. So now we’re fighting on the same side as al Qaeda — the terrorist murderers of American soldiers, women, children, and the elderly.

What’s our goal? Does anyone have any idea? Clearly our President doesn’t. Who takes over after Gadhafi? I assume radical Muslim friends of al Queda. Is that why we’re risking American soldiers’ lives?

Who is in charge? The French. Are you kidding? It’s rumored that Patton once said “I’d rather have a German division in front of me, than a French division behind me.” And, have you heard about the rules of engagement? No ground troops allowed. Funny, but I’ve never heard of a war won by only bombers from the air. What happens when Gadhafi digs in? He’s now arming a million citizens to defend him. The Arab League is condemning our bombing. What now? Mr. Obama, you’ve just created another fine mess.

Do we get dragged into a third ground war? What defines winning? Charlie Sheen? And other than the French, who is in charge — the United Nations, a bunch of lawyers, and a President whose major concern is his golf game? Are you kidding? I’ve been a patriot my entire life, but you won’t find me supporting this war.

It’s past time to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and Obama is adding a third war? Is he mentally unstable, or just totally incompetent? And by the way, who declared war? Congress? Doesn’t that pesky document, the U.S. Constitution, say that only Congress can declare war?

There’s one more little problem with a third war. We’re broke. The USA can no longer afford to be the world’s policeman. We have a $14 trillionnational debt and unfunded liabilities of $60 to $80 trillion more. Cities, counties and states are insolvent and Obama is starting a third war where we don’t belong, in the hope it will help him get re-elected by distracting the masses from the financial disaster destroying the country.

Look at Obama’s record. Two wars he promised to end, but never did. Guantanamo he promised to close, but never did. The Patriot Act he criticized, but then extended. How about the torture Obama condemned? Yet now under President Obama we torture a U.S. soldier named Bradley Manning (of Wikileaks fame), even though he’s been convicted of nothing. Twenty-three hours a day of sitting shackled, naked and freezing in his cell…and this is how we treat an American soldier who is innocent until proven guilty under Obama?

Mr. Obama, you’ve already won a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing. Are you now trying to win an Oscar for impersonating George W. Bush? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Obama is deliberately trying to ruin this great country (and doing a good job of it), is completely and utterly incompetent, or is having a nervous breakdown in reaction to the nonstop crises exploding under his leadership (or lack thereof).

Now he’s got us in a war in which we don’t belong, based on no threat to America, with no clear definition of victory, spending billions more we do not have. It is time to ask an important question — Can this nation survive until 2012?

Wayne Allyn Root is a former Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee. He now serves as Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee. He is the best-selling author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold & Tax Cuts.” His web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

117 thoughts on “Wayne Root: Libya Makes Obama’s Final Four – Too Bad America Loses

  1. Jill Pyeatt

    “Mr. Obama, you’ve already won a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing. Are you now trying to win an Oscar for impersonating George W. Bush?”

    Good line, Wayne! Thanks for speaking out about this latest atrocity.

  2. Thomas L. Knapp

    Lots of good stuff there!

    In particular, it’s good to see Wayne raising the issue of Bradley Manning’s treatment (and no, I haven’t been part of the chorus ragging on him for not having addressed Wikileaks/Assange/Manning).

  3. Jill Pyeatt

    I was part of the “chorus ragging on him for not having addressed Wikileaks/Assange/Manning”, and I appreciate the comment about Mr. Manning very much. I continue to make social issues my primary emphasis as a Libertarian, as many Libertarians do, and I’m glad for Mr. Root to branch out in our direction in this article.

  4. Zane, LP member

    Very good!

    I gotta admit I was not a Wayne Root fan at all when he first started running as a Libertarian, but columns like this are winning me over.

    I’m looking forward to seeing media clips of Wayne Root saying these things in his appearances.

  5. Robert Capozzi

    My feedback is A/A-. I would’ve considered losing the “why now?” angle. It seems obvious why now…on the heels of Tunisia and Egypt, and uprising in Libya, there does seem to be a groundswell of change in N Africa.

    Dinging BHO for golfing and NCAA picks seems a bit petty. Frankly I think we’d be better off if BHO did more of this sort of thing, taking him away from injuring us and our pocketbooks.

    I might’ve suggested emphasizing that deposing dictators is something that Ls support, but it’s not the US’s job.

    Overall, great job.

  6. Darryl W. Perry

    I promise I’m not “picking” on Wayne… However, statements like “The USA can no longer afford to be the world’s policeman” leaves the impression that IF the country wasn’t broke, the USA should be the “world’s policeman.”

  7. Robert Capozzi

    dwp, no, I can’t say I agree. It does leave open that possibility, yes.

    If there was ever a time to challenge the assumption of “world policeman,” now is certainly a ripe time to do so, when the wheels are falling off.

  8. NewFederalist

    I agree with #7 about the “world’s policeman” phraseology but otherwise this is probably his best effort yet! Good job, Mr. Root!

  9. paulie

    Darryl,

    Honestly….I did not get that impression. I’ve used that line or others like it myself. By no means did I ever mean that the US should be doing that even if finances were infinite. To me, that’s just a way to win over a larger portion of the listeners.

    I like this column a lot. I think its tone, and the use of certain words, will make it more appealing to those that supported Bush’s wars when they started than what I may have said instead.

    We’ll need some of those people to put an end to these wars.

    Moreover talking about how wars are helping make America broke mergers the original message of the tea parties – Taxed Enough Already – with the antiwar message. That’s a synthesis that I think really needs to happen.

    Maybe this latest quagmire will finally accomplish that.

  10. Die Hard

    I hate to say it. Root sounds really good here. There must be some kind of sinister plot involved. Maybe he’s trying to lull us into complacency?

  11. Mike B.

    Wayne,

    Nice article!

    I think Obama should call in sick for the rest of the year.

    And please let there be a government shutdown!

  12. Wayne Root

    @10

    Paulie…you are brilliant. You hit the nail on the end. Theres a reason why I use the words I do. The only way to end the idea of USA policing the world is to convince the conservatives, the Tea Partiers, the right leaning independents, the veterans, the families of vets. That will lead to the end of the madness finally.

    My job is to plant seeds.

    Thanks for getting it.

    Wayne

    P.S. I really appreciate the kind words from everyone here. I’m thrilled and proud you liked my commentary.

  13. Steven Wilson

    Harry Browne would’ve written this article without the Vegas “whatcha, kiddin me” angle, but this is the first time I have read anything by Root which deals with facts and not the rambling of a Kevin Trudeau salesman.

    Ending the illusion is the most difficult thing. Now your leading.

  14. Robert Milnes

    I’d say Wayne has had some good coaching & speech & writing assistance specifically designed for & aimed at Libds particularly IPR.
    Doesn’t this change in wording & tone by Wayne & almost complete positive reaction here in flagrant contrast to his previous articles bother anyone?
    Maybe make you a little uncomfortable? Suspicious?
    You are being played like a violin, libs.
    Kinda like Obama played the progressives.
    & Ron Paul played the anti-war people.
    Suckers!

  15. Steven R Linnabary

    …our President has proven to be, nothing compares to the sin of cooking up a war, and putting American soldiers’ lives at risk, to distract the masses from his …

    This line got my attention. And the essay got better from there. Wayne gets it.

    But one minor correction, I think Obama promised to escalate the war in Afghanistan.

    PEACE

  16. Robert Milnes

    I’d say the libs particularly IPR, are under intensive surveillance.
    Hey Wayne, there’s a lot of ragging on you about Manning. Let’s be sure to mention him-positively-this time.
    IPR is getting the full treatment. & the LNC.
    Covert operations, think tanks, provocateurs, etc.
    The fix is in for Wayne’s nomination. It has been for quite some time. It probably was for 2008-if Barr didn’t work out.
    Every time it is mentioned that Wayne was the LP 2008 nominee-&therefore it’s heir apparent, the radicals-esp. Mary Ruwart, get slapped in the face & should get kicked in the butt for giving it to him.

  17. John Jay Myers

    I laughed out loud 3 times, so that was nice. There are a lot of really good things in this article.

    Now for the negative, too long, I think you should have started at “Wars tend to make…”
    but gee whiz over all what a difference.

    Really good stuff, with some funny jabs at both sides.

  18. Acid Test

    So where do Thomas “The Root Whisperer” Sipos and Tom Blanton come down on this article? That will be the acid test.

  19. FKC

    “It’s past time to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and Obama is adding a third war? Is he mentally unstable, or just totally incompetent?”

    These are mutually exclusive categories?

  20. Johnny Riccio

    The Libyans should figure this out for themselves. This whole world police business has gotten old.

  21. Thomas L. Knapp

    Milnes @ 18,

    “Doesn’t this change in wording & tone by Wayne”

    What change in wording and tone would that be? In terms of rhetorical style, this piece is very much the usual Wayne Allyn Root.

    “& almost complete positive reaction here in flagrant contrast to his previous articles bother anyone?”

    The people who read Wayne’s articles tend to fall into one of three groups:

    – Those who uncritically acclaim anything he says or does;

    – Those who roundly condemn anything he says or does; and

    – Those who respond to what he says or does on the basis of whether or not what he says or does accords with what they like to see a political speaker/pundit/candidate say and do.

    Apparently IPR’s representative sample of that third group find that this piece so accords.

    “Maybe make you a little uncomfortable?”

    In politics if you’re not uncomfortable, something is probably either very wrong or about to go very wrong.

  22. Thomas L. Knapp

    MHW @ 32,

    The CNN piece is fairly good. Bottom line:

    The situation in Libya is not a game of chess with pieces of only two colors arrayed against each other.

    Libya is a bit like Yugoslavia — a country politically and unnaturally cobbled together out of various tribal territories, etc. by a conquering power, and done so during (just barely) living memory. It was put together by Mussolini, and it’s been held together for the last 40 years by the iron will and iron fist of Moammar Gaddafi.

    It’s reasonable to assume that both “major factions” — supporters of Gaddafi’s regime and opponents of Gaddafi’s regime — are in turn composed of various smaller factions which may agree with each other on as little as one thing (whether or not they support Gaddafi), and even agreement on that one thing might break down under the right circumstances.

    It doesn’t seem very likely that al Qaeda is in control of either major faction.

    It does seem very likely that al Qaeda is either a player, or attempting to become a player, in the situation. And if not al Qaeda, some other radical Islamist group or groups.

    And US intervention in the situation can’t help but play into the hands of any Islamist element there.

  23. Robert Milnes

    Tom @34, I didn’t think, over the years, to ask whether you read The Age of Surveillance or not.
    I assumed that as a rad you had AND understood it.
    But maybe you have to get set up to get shot in a barroom brawl or get snitch jacketed in ahalfway house to get with the program.

  24. Robert Capozzi

    tk: And US intervention in the situation can’t help but play into the hands of any Islamist element there.

    me: Yes. We sometimes think that we the “War Party” doesn’t get this. I think they actually DO get this, but — somehow or other — they think they can either overwhelm Islamist elements OR that the moderate elements will ultimately control them.

    FWIW, I detect a schism of sorts in the War Party on Libya…no surprise, the neocons are for this, but it appears the Pentagon and CFR against it. This dynamic (if it’s real) will be something to watch in the coming months. My sense is these three factions battle for the mind of the politicians and each other. They were allied in the case of Iraq and Afghanistan. This time they weren’t, yet the neocons — who seem to have no bounds in their desire for war — pushed the “right” combination of buttons to get Hillary and then Obama on the side of Libyan intervention. Of course I’m speculating here, but the “guilt” card was a key factor — guilt over Rwanda.

    It’s a mistake to think that these various camps don’t know about blowback or even the costs of war (to some extent). The true-blue neocons seem especially in denial about these things, but their motives seem especially dark and probably unfathomable by non-cult members.

    We could assume that BHO is just a bloodthirsty warmonger, but I prefer to think he’s just lost. There are probably 10 or more factors that he’s weighing, and a big one is this growing perception that he is “weak.” Most unfortunately, historically “going to war” seems to counter the “weak” charge for US presidents. Never mind that BHO already HAS gone to war!

    L politics also have similar dynamics. Root is planting seeds, as he says, with those aligned with the right. Wrights could be viewed as planting seeds with the anti-war left. I sometimes critique both as sometimes overstating the L case against against both big government and the role of world policeman. fwiw, I’m truly grateful for their efforts, even if I sometimes disagree with some of their rhetorical tactics and analysis. None of us have ALL the right answers, perhaps especially me! We’re all doing our best. Who knows, maybe this Libyan situation will bring things to the tipping point. It is often darkest before the dawn.

  25. NewFederalist

    Bob Milnes- Why all the ardent conspiratorial views regarding Root? Do you not think it possible he is changing some of his emphasis (if not his positions) all on his own?

  26. George Whitfield

    Great article Wayne. I think your writing has improved by contrasting the Libertarian position from both the Democrat and Republican ones. Keep up the great work.

  27. Kevin Knedler

    Wayne’s “libertarian journey” continues, as it is for many of us who are recent converts. This article and the radio interview on the 300+ station Willie Cunningham show on Sunday night, March 20 make it a great week for Mr. Root. I say, “keep pounding away” Wayne.

  28. Robert Capozzi

    Apropos — I trust! — to this thread is y’day’s Maureen Dowd column. She writes:

    “As compelling as the gender split is, it’s even more interesting to look at the parallels between Obama and W. Candidate Obama said about a possible strike on Iran, “The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

    Yet both men started wars of choice with a decision-making process marked more by impulse and reaction than discipline and rigor.”

    Conspiratorial-minded analysis would say that BHO is NOT acting on “impulse and reaction,” but rather with pre-meditated intent. Could be, but I don’t think so. This Libyan intervention has “haste” written all over it.

    BHO, like W before him, dresses up his haste with the appearance of rigor, which is mostly ex post rationalization. What Rs and Ds rarely do is to ask the most basic questions; they just assume those questions have been answered, and the world is their petri dish to be tinkered with. Ls do ask the most basic questions, thus far to our detriment.

  29. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 36,

    Yes, I’ve read my Donner — and if I had to identify an IPR commenter for the Most Likely To Eventually Be Outed as a COINTELPRO Mole Award, your name would definitely make the short list.

    Donner doesn’t explain Root. To explain Root, I suggest McLuhan, Rushkoff and a king-hell dose of blotter.

  30. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob (C) @ 37,

    You write:

    “I detect a schism of sorts in the War Party on Libya … no surprise, the neocons are for this, but it appears the Pentagon and CFR against it.”

    During the run-up to a war, the Pentagon is almost always a good deal less bloodthirsty than whichever faction in the political establishment happens to be pushing that war. The generals see their job as stewarding the US military machine and keeping it at high readiness (and ever-fattening), not throwing it into every dustup that comes along.

    For example, read Woodward’s The Commanders — a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Colin Powell did everything short of dragging Old Man Bush down the hall and giving him a swirlie in the White House toilet to talk him out of Desert Storm.

    More junior commanders tend to be a little more jingoistic for two practical reasons:

    First, a combat command in a real war is their chance to distinguish themselves and ascend the ladder. It separates the ticket-punching careerists from the ass-kickers, and every junior officer thinks he’ll blossom into the latter given the opportunity.

    Secondly, if there’s not some kind of dust-up every 15-20 years at minimum, you end up with an army composed entirely of untested personnel who’ve never heard a shot fired in anger and you start wondering whether that army will function when called upon to do so, or whether it will fall to pieces.

    As far as why Obama decided to go in on Libya, there are all kinds of theories, most of them with a likely grain of truth. My own pet theory is this:

    All wailing and gnashing of teeth from the “right” to the contrary, of the 12 US presidents since the founding of Israel, Obama is arguably one of the two or three most “pro-Israel,” possibly the most “pro-Israel” since Harry S. Truman himself.

    So, when the Arab League passed its resolution calling for a no-fly zone, he may have seen it as an opportunity to appease the Arab “leaders” for once — and better yet, an opportunity that didn’t come at direct expense to Israel.

    I doubt that’s anything like all of it, but I think it’s probably part of it.

  31. Robert Capozzi

    tk, interesting take, as is most often the case.

    I can’t even begin to guess which prez is more or less pro-Israel, or even how one would measure such a thing.

    But the rest makes a lot of sense. Obama seems to be all about “narratives.” He wants to be prez of the world, in a sense, friend to all, foe to none, at least not in a judgmental, hateful way. In his mind, he likely thinks he can bridge any gap, especially with the Muslim world. That gap bridging might sometimes require forceful action, but — per his narrative — he needs some sense of consensus to bring warring parties together. The Arab League gave him that sense of consensus; the UN Resolution certified it.

    He also understands that he needs to play the game of realpolitick so that he can remain as the Great Conciliator. If he starts looking too weak in this positioning, he needs to remind the electorate that he can be “tough,” too.

    Libya presented him with an apparent perfect storm…satisfy the world and the Arabs that he’s not going to let Gadhafi become another Hitler and throw some red-meat to the flyovers at home…at the same time! I would not be surprised if he THOUGHT he was threading the needle!

    He’s already in damage control mode, a few days into it. He already needs to save face.

    W had Cheney for Herculean face-saving misdirection. Obama has Bill Clinton. And Bernake. The big difference is that W had a humming economy to run interference. Obama doesn’t, and he seems completely lost in his hubris at this point.

    Heaven help us!

  32. Eric Sundwall

    “Funny, but I’ve never heard of a war won by only bombers from the air.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/03/war-in-libya-why-we-had-no-choice/72840/

    The above link gives some insight as to why many within the administration find this action justified. The chicks dig (Clinton, Powers, the other Rice) Holbrooke and look to the Bosnian model he started. I believe the Dean Doctrine was similarly fashioned. Genocide protection by selective choice. They point to Bosnia as a primarily air operation. Troops eventually, sure but . . . not clear this one will go that way. He might just let the factions burn on the ground.

    Many conservatives still find the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq as justified and point to hearings, resolutions and committees by Congress, just short of an actual declaration of war. This too needs to be confronted. The bottom line is that US has justified invasions or attacks like this for a long time. Hell, even isolationist Wilson held Varacruz Mexico for 7 months based on some dispute about gas with a sailor. All prior to the Great War.

    Lee Wrights has said that war is justified when in self defense, Mr. Root is saying it’s the spending that should keep us out.

    Any candidate for the LPUS presidential nomination needs a clear policy piece about these issues. I’m told Dennis Prager had a hissy fit about libertarians last Friday. Calling them immoral for their anti-interventionist proposals. Something akin to mollifying Hitler.

    It’s one thing for Mr. Root to please in the in-house gang on occasion, but the underlying ebb and flow amongst the two parties war regimes needs further annunciation and deeper review. That should include discussions about the monetary system, which has historically enabled regimes since time immemorial.

    I’m happy to support a 500K candidate if they are consistent and focused about addressing the real problems. I have no interest in pandering to a set of folks who will never really come on board . . . the ballot box statists.

  33. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 45,

    “I can’t even begin to guess which prez is more or less pro-Israel, or even how one would measure such a thing.”

    That’s just it — it’s not a measured thing, it’s a subjective valuation. Obama says a cross word to Netanyahu about the settlements issue, and that makes him “anti-Israel” to (to pull a random name out of the hat) Bill Kristol.

    For whatever reasons, though, the Arab street tends to take subjective valuations to the extreme, and:

    – Obama continues the Iraq occupation, which many construe as a “running interference for Israel” thing.

    – Obama continues the US saber-rattling versus Iran, which many construe as playing proxy for Israel’s regional power politics.

    – Obama’s first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served in the Israeli Defence Forces during the Lebanon invasion and is the son of a former Irgun terrorist.

    Objective truth about Obama’s attitudes regarding Israel? Who knows?

    Subjective valuation among Arabs of Obama’s attitudes regarding Israel? I wouldn’t be surprised if many of them solemnly believe that Likud and AIPAC receive complimentary office space in the West Wing of the White House so that Obama can reach them within 30 seconds at any time to get, and slavishly follow, their instructions.

    I think at least part of the idea with this Libya thing was “hey, the Arab League asked for this, it doesn’t come directly out of Israel’s hide, I can build some bridges — and as a bonus it gets the neocons off my ass a little, temporarily saves some jobs at US munitions factories, and maybe even helps get rid of that annoying son of a bitch whose name nobody can figure out how to spell.”

    But I’m just guessing.

  34. Robert Milnes

    NF @38, sure, that’s possible. But it is far more likely there is covert action.
    The leftists are a far greater threat to the reactionaries. Their presentstate of disarray is a product of decades of covert actions. the LP has emerged as the next best threat due mostly to its ballot access. So get a agent or stooge or dupe as nominee & that takes careof that problem. Poor Nolan tried to address the Root problem & days later he’s dead. That still looks suspicious to me.
    Donner found that agents called the people sheep & going undercover & covert operations sheep dipping. Libs are no different. Donner wrote that people would be shocked if they knew what was going on in their name. Libs are shockingly unaware & complacent.

  35. Robert Milnes

    Tom @42 me as cointel mole? LOL!
    But tell you what. The libs have disappointed me & pissed me off so much they might be able to pay me enough to just leave you all to your own little kitty litter sand box.

  36. paulie

    “It’s past time to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and Obama is adding a third war? Is he mentally unstable, or just totally incompetent?”

    These are mutually exclusive categories?

    A little of both.

  37. paulie

    tk: And US intervention in the situation can’t help but play into the hands of any Islamist element there.

    rc: Yes. We sometimes think that we the “War Party” doesn’t get this. I think they actually DO get this, but — somehow or other — they think they can either overwhelm Islamist elements OR that the moderate elements will ultimately control them.

    More war = more money for them. War is their business, and business is good. The enemy has to be kept alive as a viable threat. If one enemy stops living up to the task, a new one must take its place. Rinse, lather, repeat.

  38. paulie

    It’s a mistake to think that these various camps don’t know about blowback or even the costs of war (to some extent). The true-blue neocons seem especially in denial about these things, but their motives seem especially dark and probably unfathomable by non-cult members.

    Just call them the Cult of Mars (the god of war).

  39. paulie

    Knapp @ Milnes

    if I had to identify an IPR commenter for the Most Likely To Eventually Be Outed as a COINTELPRO Mole Award, your name would definitely make the short list.

    Agreed.

  40. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob,

    I didn’t say you are a COINTELPRO mole. I said that if asked to identify the IPR commenter most likely to be one, you’d be high on the list.

    How long could you have been incarcerated for? How much less than that maximum were you incarcerated for? How do I know you weren’t offered a deal, or approached later with a threat of re-incarceration, to secure your cooperation?

    If we’re going to go down the COINTELPRO path, I’m not going to trust anyone but myself — and I may review camera surveillance of myself just to reassure myself to see if I can catch myself being Bob Arctored.

  41. paulie

    During the run-up to a war, the Pentagon is almost always a good deal less bloodthirsty than whichever faction in the political establishment happens to be pushing that war. The generals see their job as stewarding the US military machine and keeping it at high readiness (and ever-fattening), not throwing it into every dustup that comes along.

    For example, read Woodward’s The Commanders — a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Colin Powell did everything short of dragging Old Man Bush down the hall and giving him a swirlie in the White House toilet to talk him out of Desert Storm.

    More junior commanders tend to be a little more jingoistic for two practical reasons:

    First, a combat command in a real war is their chance to distinguish themselves and ascend the ladder. It separates the ticket-punching careerists from the ass-kickers, and every junior officer thinks he’ll blossom into the latter given the opportunity.

    Secondly, if there’s not some kind of dust-up every 15-20 years at minimum, you end up with an army composed entirely of untested personnel who’ve never heard a shot fired in anger and you start wondering whether that army will function when called upon to do so, or whether it will fall to pieces.

    True…and, all over the world, it is frequently the Colonels that lead the revolutions.

    Oddly, Qadaffy never raised his own rank above Colonel.

  42. paulie

    Libya presented him with an apparent perfect storm…satisfy the world and the Arabs that he’s not going to let Gadhafi become another Hitler

    After 40 years in power? I’m not seeing it.

  43. AroundtheblockAFT

    Re #49 – speaking of David Nolan, were the results of the autopsy ever announced? And whatever happened to the Memorial Service that was going to be held?

  44. FKC

    ATBAFT — Area 51, Chupacabras, Black Helicopters and Chemtrails provide the missing piece of the puzzle.

  45. paulie

    TLK

    I’m not going to trust anyone but myself — and I may review camera surveillance of myself

    Trust nobody – don’t even trust me…

  46. Robert Milnes

    Tom, I go violated on probation shortly after getting out of the halfway house. Cops were coming at me out of the woodwork. I was approached bgy a cop for some reason just about ever time I went out.
    It took reading Donner & years to realie this was due to surveillance& anonymous calls to localpolice. There is a suspicious guy walkingdown x street. A guy wearing x just put something from the store in his pocket. etc.
    That got me to thinking about Oswald. Under surveillance, a gu y matching the description is walking down x street. Dispatcher-Officer JD Tippett, go check report of suspect matching description walking down x street.etc.
    I was eligible for parole shortly thereafter-all parole denied. Iwound up maxing out. i.e. 40 months of 5yr./60 mo.=2/3.

  47. FKC

    ATBAFT was making fun of you @59, dumbass. Talking about being too broke to buy a clue…

  48. paulie

    Great article Wayne. I think your writing has improved by contrasting the Libertarian position from both the Democrat and Republican ones. Keep up the great work.

    Exactly.

  49. Thomas L. Knapp

    Bob @ 66, ATBAFT @59,

    Not being a close confidant of the Nolan family or anything, I’ve heard nothing about a memorial service, nor was I aware that an autopsy was going to be conducted, let alone what it might have revealed.

    That reminds me, I need to get my will updated to specify that I be cremated ASAP after death, before a bunch of mentally deficient ghouls can get hold of it and try to “prove” some kind of goddamn thing.

  50. paulie

    Milnes, instead of asking stupid questions, why don’t you lay your theory out on the table…as I understand it, you believe that Wayne Root, and/or some kind of shadowy government conspiracy, had David Nolan murdered. You can correct that if I misunderstood you. And your evidence for this is……..? As far as I can tell, you have no evidence.

    This does lend further evidence to my theory however, which is that depression is the least of your mental problems.

  51. paulie

    And I find it insulting to David Nolan’s memory, especially since you have produced zero evidence to confirm your looney tunes suspicions.

  52. Robert Milnes

    @72, I suspect/believe until convincing evidence to the contrary that Root is a government-read FBI/NSA dupe. & Nolan’s resolution was fed & opposited to a government/pro government think tank. Made sick so he would not be able to attend LNC meeting to contest this & oops he’s dead. Accidental overdose or whatever. For starters.
    Care to go on to ex-CIA dictator lover Barr?

  53. paulie

    I suspect/believe until convincing evidence to the contrary that Root is a government-read FBI/NSA dupe.

    And I suspect the same about you. Although, it’s probably more likely that you are exactly what you appear to be, and admit to being, in your own words: “disabled, unemployed, broke, depressed, mentally ill, no significant other, not tech savvy, [..] no campaign contributions, no volunteers or staff, not on any ballots.”

    I don’t think anyone reading takes your suspicions seriously, nor should they.

  54. David Colborne

    Paulie, everyone knows that Nolan was murdered by the Bloc Quebecois after he privately met with Milnes to discuss the implementation of PLAS. A Libertarian-Socialist alliance would have undermined the Bloc Quebecois’ pro-independence movement by siphoning the non-revanchist elements of the party and applying them to a more viable PLAS-Conservative parliamentary coalition.

    It’s just like what they and the Jehovah’s Witnesses did to John Lennon in 1980. Imagine all the people not eagerly awaiting the rapture…

  55. paulie

    Paulie, everyone knows that Nolan was murdered by the Bloc Quebecois after he privately met with Milnes to discuss the implementation of PLAS. A Libertarian-Socialist alliance would have undermined the Bloc Quebecois’ pro-independence movement by siphoning the non-revanchist elements of the party and applying them to a more viable PLAS-Conservative parliamentary coalition.

    It’s just like what they and the Jehovah’s Witnesses did to John Lennon in 1980. Imagine all the people not eagerly awaiting the rapture…

    LOL. Brilliant!

  56. JT

    Milnes: “I suspect/believe until convincing evidence to the contrary that Root is a government-read FBI/NSA dupe.”

    You can’t ask for evidence to prove a negative, you dope. You’re the one who has to present solid evidence for your positive claim.

    Paulie: “Classic agent provocateur behavior.”

    LOL.

  57. paulie

    Wayne’s “libertarian journey” continues, as it is for many of us who are recent converts. This article and the radio interview on the 300+ station Willie Cunningham show on Sunday night, March 20 make it a great week for Mr. Root. I say, “keep pounding away” Wayne.

    I agree.

  58. paulie

    Milnes, scroll up.

    I already have, and repeating yourself does nothing productive.

    To get this discussion out of the boring rut it has entered as a result of your unwelcome presence, Knapp @42 to Milnes:

    if I had to identify an IPR commenter for the Most Likely To Eventually Be Outed as a COINTELPRO Mole Award, your name would definitely make the short list.

    Who else besides Milnes?

  59. paulie

    Acid Test,

    So where do Thomas “The Root Whisperer” Sipos and Tom Blanton come down on this article? That will be the acid test.

    If you have nothing bad to say, it is better to say nothing at all? LOL

  60. Thomas L. Knapp

    Paulie @86,

    “Who else besides Milnes?”

    I suspect I’d have to be fairly high up on the list, if for no other reason than that I’ve twice been alleged to be an actual or suspected Zionist mole (in the LP on behalf of Likud, by Carol Moore, and in a militia outfit on behalf of ZOG, by Martin Lindstedt). Where there’s smoke, etc.

  61. Robert Milnes

    paulie @86, I beg your pardon.
    You have me at a disadvantage. Since you butt in just about every thread multiple times, I’m hard pressed to find out where you wrote about The Nolan’s earthly remains.
    Can’t you just answer the question?

  62. paulie

    Milnes, I’ve answered the question, and I already told you I answered the question. In this thread. Start at 59 and read. Reading is fundamental. If you can’t understand what I already said, that’s your problem.

  63. Tom Blanton

    So where do Thomas “The Root Whisperer” Sipos and Tom Blanton come down on this article? That will be the acid test.

    First, I’d recommend that Wayne try some of the brown acid that’s going around.

    I kind of figured Root would be coming out against the Obama War after I heard Sean Hannity agreeing with Pat Buchanan on the Libya situation. Conservatives, with much hypocrisy, are coming out against Obama on this – so, it is a safe place for Wayne to tread.

    In fact and not surprisingly, Wayne borrows the right-wing radio talking point:

    “Worse, the rebels fighting Gadhafi are supported by al Qaeda.”

    How do we know this is true? Well, because Gaddafi told us.

    Wayne’s screed indicates that it is safe for conservatives to hate everything Obama does, even if Republicans routinely do the same things, even extends to new wars.

    Sort of like Romneycare is OK, but Obamacare is Marxism. We all know the drill. But, conservatives aren’t libertarians and they never will be. While “liberals” are in office, conservatives will sound somewhat libertarian and even agree with some libertarian positions, but come November 2012, conservatives will vote for Republicans that will end up making libertarians miss Obama.

    The Dems will start talking like libertarians and the never ending cycle of shit will begin anew.

    Wayne will be reduced to blaming everything bad that happens during the next Republican reign of fascist corporatism on the evil Marxist Obama – parroting the Hannity-Limbaugh flatulence.

    It’s sort of like a born again Christian fundamentalist conducting satanic rituals for satan worshipers expecting them to become born again Christians. Regurgitating conservative talking points to conservatives will not convert them to libertarianism even if they decide to call their tired old conservative ideas libertarian – no more than calling satanic incantations Christian prayer makes them so.

    And it is all because conservatives fear and loath “liberals” more than they care about freedom and even their own children. The conservatives may go to the dance with libertarians, but once they get there, they dance with Republicans.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/project2000/5542056448/

  64. Tom Blanton

    More war = more money for them. War is their business, and business is good. The enemy has to be kept alive as a viable threat.

    Exactly right. The war on terror has replaced the cold war as the cash cow – or the goose that laid the golden egg.

  65. Robert Milnes

    Everybody, sorry to be such a bore.
    I tried searching. All I could find is funeral services pending.
    As far as I can tell, Nolan’s earthly remains have disappeared off the face of the planet.
    No mention of memorial services either.

  66. TinFoilCap & JockeyShorts to Match

    “As befuddled and detached as our President has proven to be, nothing compares to the sin of cooking up a war, and putting American soldiers’ lives at risk, to distract the masses from his disastrous reign. As everything Obama touches turns to disaster, has Obama’s cynical kitchen cabinet decided war is the perfect “Weapon of Mass Distraction?”

    I am pleased to see WAR start to come to a much better position on foreign affairs. He inches closer to that first ballot victory in LV next spring!

    I do have a problem. Presidents do not REIGN, contrary to the MSM job on the brainwashed masses, the Prez has specific and limited duties. When the Congress lay down on their duties, the Prez (W.H.{cfr}) takes over more and more power. Did or did not B.O. have permission from the Congress to strike Libya? Perhaps WAR should renew the call for IMPEACHMENT.

    No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.
    – James Madison

    Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.
    – John Adams

    America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
    – John Quincy Adams

    Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.
    – Thomas Jefferson

  67. Robert Milnes

    Sipos did the math.
    Obama=+war.(Libya)
    Conservatives=anti-Obama.
    Root =libertarian.
    Libertarian=conservative.
    Therefore conservative=anti war(Libya)
    & Root=anti-war(Libya)

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  69. Tom Blanton

    Thomas Sipos has a short, simple, and all-encompassing analysis of Root’s political positioning at his blog Libertarian Peacenik:

    No, I have no special mind-reading abilities. Anyone can predict Root’s positions. Just listen to conservative talk radio. Root never deviates from their Party Line.

    That’s all you need to know. Remember also that it is acceptable to bash Bush under the RINO doctrine of talk radio and the Tea Party Independent Conservative (But I Always Vote GOP) rhetoric.

  70. D. Frank Robinson

    W.A.R. asks “Can this nation survive until 2012?”

    I asked, “Why should it?”

    I would like to read Mr. Root’s opinion of the necessity and legitimacy of secession from D.C.

  71. Ayn R. Key

    Francios: Chief Inspector Milnes! I am glad you are here! We have a MURDER!

    Milnes: A murdair?

    Francois: Yes, monsieur, the body is over here.

    [The two men survey the body, laying on the ground in a fetal position. It’s a white male, hands bound behind his back, he is also wearing a gag and a blind fold. He is not breathing. Milnes reaches down to check for a pulse. Finding none, he stands and straightens his overcoat.]

    Milnes: So how did these happen?

    Francios: We do not know yet, sir.

    Milnes: [Eyes Francios warily] You do not…n-yew?

    Francios: No sir!

    Milnes: [Waving dramatically] This man is not dead?

    Francios: [Incredulous] Not dead, monsieur?

    Milnes: No!

    Francios: But…monsieur! He is not breathing! He was almost certainly murdered!

    Milnes: [Haughtily] Can you tell me how he came to be dead?

    Francios: Well, no, but…

    Milnes: Then he is not dead!

    Francios: Sir! The evidence! He is not breathing!

    Milnes: It does not matter! If you cannot explain how he came to be dead, he is not dead!

    [Milnes returns to his car, followed by a befuddled Francios. He gets in and starts the engine.]

    Francios: Monsieur! The body!

    Milnes: Francios, when you can explain how the body became dead, then we will have a dead body. [Pats him on the cheek] Do not worry, Francios, you will learn these things and one day, you will be a chief inspector, also!

    [Milnes drives away. Francios stares after him, eyes wide and mouth agape. “Pink Panther” theme.]

  72. JT

    Milnes: “I tried searching. All I could find is funeral services pending.
    As far as I can tell, Nolan’s earthly remains have disappeared off the face of the planet.”

    You’ve been looking around for Nolan’s “earthly remains”? You’re weirder than I thought.

  73. David Colborne

    For what it’s worth, I couldn’t find Nolan’s earthly remains, either. I did, however, find his Martian remains, which are conveniently on loan to the Nevada Museum of Art in Reno at the moment. I think they’re keeping them for the rest of the month before they return to the Little A’le’Inn in Rachel, where they’ll remain.

  74. paulie

    Ayn and David,

    Thanks, I needed that laugh.

    Milnes,

    It’s not impossible that I will do investigative journalism sometime. I’ve made a few attempts before. If and when I do, I am not going to chase down the boogey men in your closet or the voices in your head.

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  76. Robert Milnes

    I don’t get it. All I’m asking is a few simple questions.
    Did Nolan die or didn’t he?
    Was there a police investigation/report?
    Was there a doctor/hospitalization? WHERE?
    Was there an autopsy? Burial? Cremation?
    WHERE?
    Was there a funeral/memorial service?
    WHERE?
    Why can’t I get a straight answer from radical libertarian assholes?
    WHERE? IPR.
    Where radicals piss around.

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