Wayne Root Editorial: Obama Lost the Jews, Hillary Clinton is Next

It’s all over for Mr. Obama. He is a one-term President, destined to go down in the record books as the man who presided over a second Great Depression, the destruction of the middle class, and the loss of America’s Triple A credit rating. The proof is found in the historic, almost unimaginable, GOP victory in Anthony Weiner’s old Congressional district in Queens. Yes, I said Queens- as in New York City. Heavily Democratic, heavily liberal Jewish, Queens, New York. The center of blue-collar white Democratic Party power. Republican Bob Turner pulled off one of the biggest upsets in U.S. political history there last night. He became the first Republican elected from this heavily Jewish Democratic Queens, NY district since 1923.

There are no excuses. In a district that is 40% Jewish and filled with Orthodox Jews, a 70-year old Catholic Republican upset a Orthodox Jewish Democrat from a prominent Queens political family. Democrats pulled out every stop. Big labor campaigned day and night for the Democrat. Former President Bill Clinton and popular New York Governor Andrew Cuomo lent their voices to get-out-the-vote robo-calls to Democratic voters. And none of it mattered. The Jews have abandoned Obama.

The average voter doesn’t understand the “inside Baseball” of politics. But here is the “Monarch Notes” of the GOP’s historic victory. First, the anger of white middle class voters towards Obama is boiling over across the country. If Obama has lost Jewish support in Queens, he’s lost support from white middle class voters everywhere. Second, Obama’s mishandling of the economy is destroying the middle class, and even lifelong Democrats in Queens, NY are feeling the pain (and clearly seeing Obama’s incompetence). But this picture is incomplete.

Here’s the big reason for this historic GOP victory that few outside New York understand: This race really was about much more than the economy or jobs. Sure those issues were a constant backdrop. But in the end, it was about common sense issues for Jewish voters: Israel and the Mosque at Ground Zero. Jewish voters are outraged at how Obama has treated Israel; disgusted with Obama’s support of the Palestinians, led by terror groups; and shocked by the support of both Obama and the losing Democratic Congressional candidate for the Mosque at Ground Zero.

The heroes of this once-in-a-century historic upset are former New York Mayor Ed Koch and the Republican Jewish Coalition, both of whom worked hard to spread one simple but powerful message to Jewish voters: “Send a message to Obama that Israel is America’s best friend, and you do not accept the way Obama has treated Israel.” The Jewish voters of Queens were told by Koch and the Republican Jewish Coalition that there was only one way to send this message- elect a Republican Congressman for the first time in modern history.

Message sent. Game. Set. Match.

But it wasn’t just Obama who heard the message. It was Hillary Clinton too. Hillary now knows Obama is weak and vulnerable…among Democrats. And among Jewish Democrats who have loyally voted Democrat their entire lifetimes. If the Jews have abandoned Obama, turn out the lights and close the door behind this President.

This political pundit predicted on Fox News Channel over 18 months ago that Hillary Clinton would challenge and defeat President Obama in a Presidential primary in 2012, once voters experienced the carnage wreckage of the economy under a socialist President. I believe Hillary is weighing her options at this very moment. She now knows that blue-collar white Democratic voters across America have broken with Obama. The Jews are the final straw that broke the camel’s back. It is now clear that in places filled with white blue-collar voters- like Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Texas- Hillary could defeat Obama in a Presidential primary- just as I predicted 18 months ago.

Only one thing is holding Hillary back from a decision to jump into the race. I believe she is concerned with political strategy. She now knows she can defeat Obama in a Democratic primary. Her only concern is the loss of black voters for the general election. If black voters see Hillary as a back-stabber of their beloved Obama, and sit on their hands for the 2012 general election, Hillary cannot possibly defeat her Republican opponent. That is the debate now raging in Hillary’s camp of political advisors. Her question is simple- Is there a way to defeat Obama but still retain the support of black Democratic voters for the general election? If Hillary and her advisers can come up with a positive answer, she will soon announce that she is running against the incumbent Democratic occupant of the White House for President of the United States.

Wayne Allyn Root is a former Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee. He now serves as Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee. He is the best-selling author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold & Tax Cuts.” His web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

82 thoughts on “Wayne Root Editorial: Obama Lost the Jews, Hillary Clinton is Next

  1. Kimberly Wilder

    I wanted to check the source, and the headline “Obama lost the Jews” is the actual wording at the Wayne Root webpage.

    I am not Jewish.

    Though…

    I am fairly sure that it is kind of slang, and a little insulting, to say “the Jews”, unless you are a Jewish person, saying something positive or funny about your own people.

    I guess saying “the Jews” was a kind of gimmicky shorthand to get attention and/or perhaps to sound catchy.

    This kind of disconnect, with politicians or media personalities using condescending or insulting language about other religions or cultures, tends to happen when the politicians or media personalities are isolated from diversity due to their own choices and privilege, combined with the inherit classist/racist/ethnocentric structure of our society.

    I think that Wayne Root should practice more sensitivity to other cultural groups, and at least try to show respect in his public statements.

    P.S. To be solution-oriented – Wayne Root could have said “Obama lost the Jewish vote”, “Obama lost the confidence of Jewish people”, “Obama lost the respect of Jewish voters”, etc.

  2. paulie

    Kimberly,

    Wayne is of Jewish ancestry. By your rules he is allowed to say “the Jews.”

    He is as well aware as you or I that there are lots of different Jews with lots of very different opinions.

  3. Thomas L. Knapp

    I see that Wayne is recycling the “mosque” (it’s not a mosque) “at Ground Zero” (it’s not at Ground Zero) lie.

    And the lie that Obama’s policy toward Israel differs in any significant respect from that of Reagan, the two Bushes, or Clinton.

    If those are really the reasons for the district’s change of party, then the title of the column should have been “2010: The Big Lie Still Works, At Least if You Double Up On It.”

  4. Michael H. Wilson

    Apparently from one story I read same sex marriage may have played a role in this election. The Dems support it, the Repugs don’t. The district is socially conservative to say the least and almost always has been.

  5. Deran

    To me the most disturbing aspect of this election is if it actually turned on Israel. And if Root is a likely LP pres candidate, does that mean the LP will take on a ultra-pro-Israel position?

  6. paulie

    And if Root is a likely LP pres candidate, does that mean the LP will take on a ultra-pro-Israel position?

    I suspect the LP will not dictate to Wayne or anyone else we are likely to nominate what their message framing will be during the course of a campaign. In theory, the LP could threaten to unendorse a candidate or in some states if the deadline has not passed replace him/her, but in practice I don’t think it will happen. Once nominated, a candidate can say pretty much whatever he or she wants and the LP is unlikely to do anything about it.

    Nor do I think that Wayne or whoever else we nominate will dictate to the rest of the LP what our position is. However, if the candidate we end up nominating brings in a lot of new people to the convention, it is possible that our platform could change. I don’t think it will change substantially on the issue of foreign aid or foreign policy, but I could be wrong. In most likelihood, any changes will probably be small and incremental.

    Whether Root or any other prospective LP nominee will cause enough new people to come in and/or enough existing members to leave so as to change our platform substantially 2 or 4 years later remains to be seen. It’s possible that could happen.

  7. paulie

    Er, 2011.

    Anyone signed up to write at IPR can actually edit their comments after posting them. Not sure if all the IPR writers know that.

  8. MDGreen

    I am sorry is Wayne Allen Root a Libertarian or a neocon? Or is the libertarian party now espousing neoconservativism? I am slightly confused.

    The so-called Ground Zero Mosque, i.e. a cultural center several blocks away at a former Burlington Coat factory, if I remember was publicly supported by New York Libertarian party on grounds freedom of religion–you know libertarian property values.

    It also strikes me as almost anti-semetic to insinuate that Jewish voters are inherently religiously intolerant and most of the individuals of Jewish descent that I personally know would be deeply offended.

    As far as Israel, Obama hasn’t changed American Israeli policy one bit, he hasn’t watch threatened the massive amount of aid to Israel, which is illegal under US and international law. How does Mr. Root feel about his hero Ronald Reagan sanctioning Israel by cutting off shipments of cluster bombs to them after they illegally used said weapons in Lebanon?

    I didn’t know religious bigotry and support for a foreign regimes rampant human rights violations were now libertarian values.

  9. paulie

    I am sorry is Wayne Allen Root a Libertarian or a neocon? Or on is the libertarian party now espousing neoconservativism? I am slightly confused.

    He is a Libertarian (LP member and officer). Whether you believe he is a libertarian (adherent of a libertarian viewpoint) depends on how you define that term.

    I don’t believe he fits the definitions I have read of neocon. Neocons tend to be for a very aggressive foreign policy; Root now wants to bring the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan (and I believe most other countries) and end most foreign aid, although perhaps not all immediately. Neocons tend to be coercively socially conservative – indeed, they initially broke with the left on social issues in the 1960s, with foreign policy becoming a primary concern later on. They also still, to this day, tend to be fairly big government on economic issues when compared with traditional conservatives. That’s not Wayne. He may be more in that direction when compared with radical libertarians like me, but he’s no neocon by comparison with actual leading neocons.

    The positions of Wayne Root and other Libertarians don’t always coincide. That is, LP members disagree with each other on a variety of issues. You can see http://www.lp.org/platform for the official party positions.

    The so-called Ground Zero Mosque, i.e. a cultural center several blocks away at a former Burlington Coat factory, if I remember was publicly supported by New York Libertarian party on grounds freedom of religion–you know libertarian property values.

    This is true. You can find numerous postings on that issues in articles and comments in IPR archives. That will give you an idea of the variety of libertarian thought on that issue. If you take the time to read those debates you’ll see that I agree with Warren Redlich of LPNY and disagree with Wayne Root on that issue.

    It also strikes me as almost anti-semetic to insinuate that Jewish voters are inherently religiously intolerant and most of the individuals of Jewish descent that I personally know would be deeply offended.

    As I previously mentioned, Wayne is of Jewish descent. He may be a lot of things, but anti-semitic is not one of them.

    How does Mr. Root feel about his hero Ronald Reagan sanctioning Israel by cutting off shipments of cluster bombs to them after they illegally used said weapons in Lebanon?

    Good question.

  10. paulie

    @ Ballot Access News:

    Portlander Says:
    September 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    How did the Socialist Workers Party candidate do in New York City?

    Richard Winger Says:
    September 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    I don’t know. The state doesn’t release election returns until they are final. So everyone in this period is dependent on news media, and if the media isn’t motivated to find that out, then no one knows.

    Pig Farmer Says:
    September 14th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    How would the media go about finding out?

  11. NewFederalist

    “Personally I am very pissed at the way Obama has ignored Sweden and of course Ireland.”

    I believe Liectenstein, San Marino and Andorra have been similarly ignored. Shameful. Root should press home his advantage on those burning issues as well!

  12. Good luck and lessons from history ----- on the current corrupt system .... Lake

    Obama’s approval rating in California takes a hit …………. Holly Bailey, Senior Political Reporter — The Ticket – 5 hrs ago

    ………. a new survey suggests the president might be facing troubles in the Golden State as well.

    A new Field Poll released Wednesday finds voters in California are statistically divided on Obama’s job performance.

    Forty-six percent approve of Obama’s overall performance as president, while 44 percent disapprove.

    That’s a drop of eight points since June, when Obama’s job approval was 54 percent among Californians.

    Obama’s latest job approval number in the state is the lowest of his presidency—a sign that Obama may have to work harder to consolidate support in California ahead of his 2012 re-election bid.

    ……….. just under half of Californians believe Obama should be re-elected in 2012, while 44 percent believe voters should pick someone new—a slight increase since earlier this summer.

    But the president’s advisers will likely be a little unnerved by some of the poll’s findings.

  13. Jill Pyeatt

    I can’t believe Wayne is talking about the non-mosque that isn’t at Ground Zero again. KW @ 2 said: “I think that Wayne Root should practice more sensitivity to other cultural groups, and at least try to show respect in his public statements.” Apparently, that’s just too much to ask of him.

  14. paulie

    Lots of reasons why the Republican won. I’ve alluded to the role of the Socialist Workers candidate and several issues have been mentioned. Of course there’s this:

    http://polizeros.com/2011/09/14/democrats-get-smoked-in-what-should-have-been-safe-district/

    One voter said “I am a registered Democrat, I have always been a registered Democrat, I come from a family of Democrats — and I hate to say this, I voted Republican. I need to send a message to the president that he’s not doing a very good job. Our economy is horrible. People are scared.”

    Was Israel a big factor? Maybe, but I think New York Jews are like all other people when the economy is in bad shape – primarily focused on pocketbook issues.

  15. Wayne Root

    Once again my critics have confused “opinion” with analysis. I wear multiple hats.

    In this article I am merely being a political observer/pundit/analyst as to why the GOP won the House seat for first time since 1923. Obviously something very unusual happened in a district that is 3 to 1 Democrat.

    I’ve spoken to dozens of people to get a sense for what was happening in the district, and as a result I predicted this huge upset long before it happened…on dozens of radio stations across the country.

    There is nothing “culturally insensitive” about analyzing a race and explaining why one of the biggest upsets in U.S. political history happened.

    Too many people at this site are way too eager to criticize.

    If you polled 40,000 Jews in this Queens district…most of them Orthodox Jews…I can assure you you’d find that Obama’s policies and treatment towards Israel, as well as the Mosque at Ground Zero were big issues. Anyone want to bet?

    And of course, if you poll the nation…which is 2% Jewish…and therefore 98% not Jewish…you’ll find similar views on those two issues.

    Americans have overwhelming support for Israel…and take overwhelming offense for the Mosque at Ground Zero.

    This was not an opinion piece. It was an analysis and explanation for why something remarkable happened in Queens, NY.

    As for both the issues of Israel and the Mosque at Ground Zero, I have found Libertarian reasons for my views on both.

    Life is not black and white. There are many ways to view issues…even inside the LP. Just as not all Republicans see things the same way. I know social conservatives…I know fiscal conservatives…I know Tea Partiers…I know liberal big government Republicans…I know pro choice Republicans.

    I know blue dog Democrats versus big government, big union progressives. Yet they are all Democrats.

    Inside the LP there are multiple views on issues. To my knowledge abortion is a great example- with about a 50/50 split on the issue.

    Immigration is very split inside the LP. Most of the Libertarians and LP delegates I’ve met who live in border states are much more conservative on the issue- as they’ve seen schools and hospitals and budgets overrun.

    There is no one way…in black and white…to define a political philosophy. But there is a limited government Libertarian side to my views.

    I am very much for getting out of all 3 wars we are in. I support reducing military spending and military bases around the world.
    I support a dramatic reduction in foreign aid. All of those views are in line with Gary Johnson and Ron Paul.

    On the issue of Israel, I believe they are a best friend and valuable ally, and they provide valuable national intelligence in a very important part of the world- the part with most of the oil. America’s interests are at stake. Our entire economy runs on fossil fuel. Therefore it is in our interest to treat Israel differently.

    But I have a Libertarian position on how to dramatically reduce foreign aid and still support Israel.

    Just as my views towards the Mosque at Ground Zero were initially misrepresented and exaggerated by my critics.

    My view is Libertarian. I do not support government involvement in stopping the Mosque.

    The true details of this issue have been overlooked by Libertarians. Awarding the permits and approvals for this Mosque has been done by the same government Libertarians mistrust- for good reason.

    There is something that smells rotten and rancid with the entire approval process for this Mosque. Libertarians should be up in arms. I believe fraud has been committed by government in awarding permits in a way never before done by the city of New York.

    If you or I tried to get building permits for this same building, we’d NEVER get them. Yet here they were passed in record speed despite numerous problems.

    That’s not freedom of religion. That’s a very strange situation- either involving bribes, graft, fraud and corruption…or it was pushed through in a way that was biased to religion.

    Libertarians should be protesting government doing business like this in a shady way.

    As far as my belief in stopping the mosque…I support only freedom of the citizens to protest and force this project to move elsewhere through public pressure. That’s as American and Libertarian as apple pie.

    It is the exact same situation as we had in Nevada with Yucca Mountain.

    The government tried to shove Yucca Mountain down our throats against the will of the people. We fought it and won. As citizens must always have a right to do in a free society.

    Or do Libertarians think citizens/voters/taxpayers have no rights, and no freedom of expression?

    However government should not stop the Mosque. That is an issue between the local residents and the property owners. Just as in the case of Yucca Mountain, I support the citizens and taxpayers showing their passion and stopping the project in its tracks.

    That is a Libertarian way to solve the problem. No government involved. I don’t support government stopping a property owner from doing what they want with their property. But taxpayers have every right to protest in the streets and apply pressure.

    I hope Libertarians don’t think the citizens of Nevada had no right or freedom of speech to stop Yucca Mountain.

  16. Thomas L. Knapp

    1. It’s not a mosque;

    2. It’s not at Ground Zero.

    Thus any “analysis” of that “issue” in the race would come down to “liars fooled the district’s voters.”

    Repeating the lies as if they were facts isn’t “analysis,” it’s just lying.

  17. paulie

    I hope Libertarians don’t think the citizens of Nevada had no right or freedom of speech to stop Yucca Mountain.

    Absolutely, we should have freedom of speech regardless if we are for or against any development. Hopefully Greens, Libertarians, BTP and others who have commented here would agree on that.

    I will also say this, Wayne is right about building permits in NYC. I was involved in construction in NYC back when I lived there. The bureaucracy was insane. I don’t know if the Park 51 Islamic cultural center was treated better or worse than other people by the city bureaucrats, I have not looked into that. I do believe they should be allowed to build and other people should be allowed to protest if they so wish.

  18. paulie

    Wayne,

    I don’t think that contradicts anything I said. The article said that a lot of people in the district thought Israel was an important issue and don’t like Obama’s handling of it. It did not say what other issues they consider important and where they stand on those.

    I said the economy was a factor, and you agreed.

    Some people have pointed out that gay marriage may have been a factor. I don’t know to what extent, but maybe they are right.

    Spending by outside groups cuts across all these issues, including Israel.

    The numbers for the SWP candidate are not yet available. If his polling before the race held up in the election results, he may well have had more then the margin of victory.

    None of that means that you are wrong about the Israel issue also playing a major role. Or Park 51 for that matter.

  19. eric sundwall

    ” . . was publicly supported by New York Libertarian party . . . ”

    To be accurate, the LPNY did not take an official position on this matter.

    The Redlich campaign did and was unequivocal about rejecting opposition to the project by an eager Paladino, Lazio & Davis.

  20. Wayne Root

    I guess even the NY Times and the Democratic Party agrees with me…that Obama’s image to Jewish voters is that he has been the worst President to Israel…and is in poor standing with Jewish voters:

    NY Times: OBAMA, DEMS RACE TO SAVE JEWISH VOTE

  21. paulie

    I guess even the NY Times and the Democratic Party agrees with me…that Obama’s image to Jewish voters is that he has been the worst President to Israel…and is in poor standing with Jewish voters:

    NY Times: OBAMA, DEMS RACE TO SAVE JEWISH VOTE

    I agree with you that is his image to Jewish voters.

    Whether it was as big in deciding this race to the exclusion of other issues, I don’t know.

    Ya know I don’t think this has much to do with 3rd party politics, but whadda I know.

    Anything Wayne writes about politics is in bounds for IPR, not necessarily because of the specific topic he writes about but because he was the one who wrote it. The same would hold for Nader, for example.

    Also, the outcome of this race may have had a lot to do with third party politics, although I don’t think Wayne talked about that and so far in these comments I don’t think anyone except me has either.

  22. paulie

    Samuel Wilson @ Think 3 Institute:


    Update, Sept. 14: Apparently those polls took unrepresentative samples, or else the support professed for Hoeppner was purely moral. The latest numbers show him getting less than 1% of the vote, while Turner cruised to victory. As predicted, the result is being read as a repudiation of Democratic economic policies, but some sources suggest that, if any third party influenced the election, it was the Zionists. I don’t know whether this is a presumption based on the district’s demographics, or if exit polling will confirm the assumption that foreign policy was a major issue. I can actually imagine Democrats spinning it that way just to deny that economic policy did them in this time. In any event, I assume that Mammon, not Yahweh, is the favored god of that district this year.

    P: Interesting take.

    If Israel was as big a factor as Wayne says here, that may be better news for Democrats than if the economy was the overwhelming issue.

    The economy is a big issue everywhere in the country; Israel is a much bigger issue in the NYC tristate area and portions of Southern Florida than in other parts of the country.

  23. George Phillies

    For a serious discussion of substantial issues leading to the Democratic loss, readers should consult Daily Kos.

    Significant issues of note: While the Democrat was a practicing Orthodox Jew, there is orthodox and there is orthodox and there is ultraorthodox, and New York religious politics gets complicated.

    In New York, County Chairs appoint candidates for special elections. The District in question will likely be gone after redistricting, and the County Chair did not want a strong Democratic incumbent who might try to run in his new district against a more established accountant, so he selected a candidate whose campaigning skills were limited. The area is massively Democratic, so letting it go Republican for a year protected more important incumbents.

    President Obama is not very popular at the moment, except by comparison with his likely Republican opponents.

    Assuredly the New York Republican race-baiters will pat themselves on the back about their racebaiting against the Manhattan Islamic Cultural center, but there are reasons why Republicans are in general unpopular in New York, and their racebaiting is one of the reasons.

  24. Kimberly Wilder

    Ummm…has anyone considered the fact that Weiner was a Weiner, and some people probably just felt like they would be stupid to elect another Democrat after having been so let down?

  25. paulie

    Ummm…has anyone considered the fact that Weiner was a Weiner, and some people probably just felt like they would be stupid to elect another Democrat after having been so let down?

    Yeah, I thought about that. But on the other hand they have been electing Democrats for many decades.

  26. Wayne Root

    @32

    Kimberly,

    Democrats were elected in this district since 1923…that’s 88 consecutive years.

    One of biggest upsets in history of U.S. politics

    It was much more than one weiner. LOL

    It was the same problem every business owner I know is experiencing- BANKRUPTCY. The entire economy is going under. Obama has targeted, threatened, demonized and punished business owners more than any politician in my lifetime. His policies and rhetoric are destroying the economy day by day.

    And to many Jews who feel a strong affinity for Israel- they believe Obama is tilted towards punishing and demonizing Israel, the same way he punishes the rich in the USA.

    Those were both powerful issues in Queens.

    This is the way people. You can’t argue with the way people feel. If you want to get elected, your job is to address the feelings, desires and concerns of your constituents. Don’t do that…or disagree with them…you lose. It’s called politics.

    My analysis had nothing to do with any other part of the country. I analyzed what created one of biggest upsets in history…in one place…last night in Queens.

  27. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp // Sep 14, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    I see that Wayne is recycling the “mosque” (it’s not a mosque) “at Ground Zero” (it’s not at Ground Zero) lie.”

    Even if it were a Mosque and even if it were at Ground Zero it shouldn’t make a difference. Anyone who actually believes that a group of Muslims armed with box cutters and directed by a guy hiding in a cave in Afganistan got NORAD to stand down and brought down World Trade Center building 7 – which was on the opposite side of the WTC complex from the Twin Towers – is a naive fool and should not be taken seriously. I don’t believe in ignoring reality and caving in to the demands of rubes.

    Facts your mainstream media failed to tell you about 9/11:

    http://www.toronto911truth.com/qkfacts.html

    Libertarians for 9/11 Truth:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertariansfor911Truth/

  28. Thomas L. Knapp

    Andy@35,

    And anyone who believes that WTC 7 was on the opposite side of the WTC complex from the north tower can’t read a map.

    So I guess we can add cartographic illiteracy to the poor math skills that lead you to characterize a three-hour collapse as “the speed of gravity.”

  29. Tom Blanton

    Well of course Obama has lost “the Jews.”

    He has refused to invade Iran and Syria. He is a secret Muslim. He supports Palestinian terrorists. He hasn’t given Israel nearly as much money as God feels they deserve. He hasn’t detained and tortured enough American Muslims. He keeps trying to get Israel to negotiate with sub-human Arab terrorists. He fails to recognize that he is inferior to Netanyahu. He has not threatened to sanction every nation that may support a Palestinian state. He has done nothing to stop Muslims from imposing Sharia law on the world. He is willing to allow Muslim terrorists to build shrines to a gutter religion on sacred ground. He secretly supports a global Muslim Caliphate as evidenced by his refusal to call the “war on terror” by its proper name: the Crusade Against Islam.”

    It is a wonder that God has not struck down Obama for his hatred and mistreatment of Israel. Israel has shown great restraint in not assassinating this modern-day Hitler.

    God will continue to punish America with hurricanes, tornadoes, and earthquakes until Obama is replaced with Wayne Root.

  30. Catholic Trotskyist

    The Democrats took the seat of Chris Lee earlier this year; an upstate NY Republican who resigned for somewhat similar reasons as Weiner. They also got another district in 2009 special elections in upstate New York which had been Republican since the Civil War, and kept it in 2010. Overall the Democrats still win the trade. Weiner’s and Lee’s seats will be redistricted, and everything will balance out.

  31. Catholic Trotskyist

    The Democrats should stand firm in opposition to Israel, but should avoid the issue of gay marriage. Hopefully this will be enough to win future elections like this. The Democrats probably won’t take my advice though.

  32. Andy

    A few things to debunk Brian Holtz:

    Testimony of Norman Mineta on Dick Cheney’s orders on 9/11:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

    WTC 7 blasted into rubble from a new angle:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel

    Former Controlled Demolitions Inc worker Tom Sullivan Discusses Controlled Demolitions on 9/11:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcwnJTpholc&feature=related

    Dutch Controlled Demolition Expert Danny Jawenko on 9/11:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6D4dla17aA&feature=related

  33. Andy

    Thomas Knapp said: “And anyone who believes that WTC 7 was on the opposite side of the WTC complex from the north tower can’t read a map.”

    Here’s a map of the WTC complex. WTC 7 is CLEARLY NOT in the same part of the complex as the Twin Towers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WTC_Building_Arrangement_and_Site_Plan.svg

    Here’s another picture:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?q=world+trade+center+map&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=sTn&sa=X&channel=fs&biw=1440&bih=756&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=mgPAoKiro9BQ2M:&imgrefurl=http://www.wtc-trauer.de/wtcnewyork.htm&docid=4trF2OLsPdT5OM&w=547&h=676&ei=8LRxTqPiDc7RrQeUmKyXBw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=181&vpy=345&dur=4493&hovh=250&hovw=202&tx=86&ty=269&page=1&tbnh=152&tbnw=123&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0

    There were buildings that were right next to the Twin Towers that were hit with a heavy amount of debris, yet they did not collapse, and we are supposed to believe that WTC 7 which was further away collapsed due to the ridiculous conspiracy theory that is parroted by Thomas Knapp. YEAH RIGHT!

  34. Robert Capozzi

    37 tb: God will continue to punish America with hurricanes, tornadoes, and earthquakes until Obama is replaced with Wayne Root.

    me: Hmm, if God is omniscient, I’d think he’d know that such punishment is pushing on a string. His/Her next opportunity — even in theory — is a year+ off!

  35. LibertarianGirl

    for the umteenth time , why does having a view or stance on the government of ISRAEL always made to seem like it means anti-jew??

    i am so tired of that , very obvious and very intentional mistake i could scream…I certinly dont thing every person with a beef against the government of the USA means they are anti-christian or anti american. Its rubbish…

  36. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    why does having a view or stance on the government of ISRAEL always made to seem like it means anti-jew??

    It’s “made” to seem that way (good word choice) so that people won’t dare criticize the Israeli government.

    I’m sure that many people who equate anti-Israeli government with anti-Jew know that it’s inaccurate and dishonest, but it’s a nice rhetorical weapon to have.

    It comes in useful as a means to intimidate people into supporting the Israeli government.

  37. Thomas L. Knapp

    Andy @44,

    Thanks for linking to precisely the same map I consulted to demonstrate the bizarre variance from truth of your contention that WTC7 was across the WTC complex from the towers. Indeed, WTC 7 was located 100 meters from the north tower — less than its own height away, less than 1/4 the tower’s height away, and perhaps 1/3 the complex’s diameter away

    I’m not sure what “ridiculous conspiracy theory” you think I’m parroting. I’ve more than once suggested that WTC 7 might have been intentionally taken down, and even proposed a likely reason for that having happened.

    Two of the “ridiculous conspiracy theories” about WTC7 that I don’t subscribe to are:

    1) The ridiculous contention that anyone has pretended that the building was brought down by fire alone;

    2) The ridiculous contention that the collapse, which was publicly observed over the course of more than three hours, went at the “speed of gravity.”

  38. Brian Holtz

    @43

    NORAD was never ordered to “stand down”, and Cheney never gave a “stand down” order. In fact, Cheney did not start giving any orders until after the last plane, UA93, had crashed in Pennsylvania. Mineta’s timeline is wrong, and the episode he refers to is described on p. 41 of the 9/11 commission report. For a lengthy debunking of the Mineta-overheard-a-stand-down myth, see http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Norman_Mineta.

    Unfortunately, Cheney and NORAD both helped contribute to 9/11 conspiracy theories by engaging in some real-life deception that is documented in the 9/11 commission report.

    1) As described on p. 34, NORAD claimed that it was notified of the Washington-bound hijackings in time to scramble fighters before either crashed. NORAD made the after-the-fact CYA claim that it could have intercepted UA93 and almost intercepted AA77, but the 9/11 commission debunked this claim citing “not just taped conversations at NEADS but also taped conversations at FAA centers; and contemporaneous logs compiled at NEADS, Continental Region headquarters, and NORAD”.

    2) The first shoot-down order was given by Cheney even though he wasn’t in the chain of command. When Cheney’s shoot-down order was repeated 10 or 15 minutes later in earshot of Bush’s deputy chief of staff Bolton, Bolton “suggested” that Cheney confirm the order with Bush. Cheney did so. Much later, Bush and Cheney apparently concocted a story of a call between them 10 or 15 minutes earlier, right before Cheney first gave the shoot-down order. The 9/11 commission report doesn’t directly call this a lie, but it notes at p. 41 that no such call was noticed by bystanders or contemporaneous logs.

  39. Brian Holtz

    From NIST’s FAQ about WTC7:

    The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.

    Heat from the uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on multiple floors.

    Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79, that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building. The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of Column 79. This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported in the east-west direction over nine stories.

    The unsupported Column 79 then buckled and triggered an upward progression of floor system failures that reached the building’s east penthouse. What followed in rapid succession was a series of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line-involving all three interior columns on the easternmost side of the building (79, 80, 81). Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns failed in the core of the building (58 through 78). Finally, the entire façade collapsed.

  40. Thomas L. Knapp

    BH@57,

    Where is this account from?

    It appears to omit a relevant material fact: That a good deal of the building’s south side between floors 10 and 18 had been gouged out by debris ejected from the north tower (WTC 6 shielded the lower floors).

    Presumably that could have had a lot to do with the 13th floor, south side girder-column disconnect described.

  41. Gene Berkman

    LG @ 49 says “…I certinly dont thing every person with a beef against the government of the USA means they are anti-christian or anti american. ”

    True enough, but Americans have never faced extermination at the hands of a governments, as Jews have. When people call for ending the state of Israel, it too often has exterminationist overtones.

    And focusing on bad policies by the government of Israel, while refraining from criticizing the many despotic governments in the Middle East looks like special animus toward Israel.

  42. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Americans have never faced extermination at the hands of a governments, as Jews have.

    Well, Native Americans have.

    Additionally, while the above may explain the pressure not to criticize Israel, it does not justify it.

    Ukrainians faced extermination at the hands of Stalin, yet if Ukrainians were to oppress a minority group today, I don’t think anyone would feel it morally proper to give Ukrainians a free pass on it.

    focusing on bad policies by the government of Israel, while refraining from criticizing the many despotic governments in the Middle East looks like special animus toward Israel.

    I don’t think anyone “refrains” from criticizing the many despotic Arab governments in the Mideast. However, it’s a given that they’re despotic, so there’s nothing to debate.

    Whereas the despotic (not merely “bad”) policies of the Israeli government are disputed. Its defenders call Israel a free society which shares America’s fundamental values of individual liberty. I’ve even heard Israel called a “libertarian” nation.

    All of that is certainly open to dispute, and is disputed.

    Since everyone agrees that the Arab governments are despotic, but people hold wildly opposite views on Israel’s policies, it’s natural that the debate focuses on Israel.

  43. Mark Seidenberg

    Wayne Roots comments at post 22 is most interesting. As a Zionist Revisionist, I see
    the same problems in the Department of State
    as in the current left wing that control the Israeli
    Government. Israel need freedom, not socialism.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Chairman,
    American Independent Party of California

  44. history ----- on the current system .... Lake

    The secular state of Israel has literally blown a world of good will in the past few decades.

    Yet another self inflicted wound.

    I am not an anti -semite, I am attempting to lead a fact filled life and am attempting to be a truth telling individual.

    Recent MSM news articles confirm what alternative sources have said for years.

    Also many resident Israeli residents are voicing, en mass, their concerns in a very vocal manner.

  45. Tom Blanton

    Brian Holtz @ 55 seems to know an awful lot about what Dick Cheney was doing on 9/11. Was Holtz actually with Cheney that day – maybe even calling the shots?

    Despite whichever “facts” about 9/11 one is inclined to believe and whatever conspiracy theory one chooses to accept, varying degrees of responsibility (or lack thereof) rests with the American government.

    The reaction to 9/11 is directly attributable to the American government. To my knowledge, no politician, bureaucrat or official has been held accountable for any failure or complicity.

    What happened on 9/11 and the resulting 10 years of hell are both directly and indirectly attributable to the U.S. Government – no matter what the “facts” are surrounding 9/11.

    Whether criminal negligence or criminal complicity, the government is guilty of one or the other.

    But, so fucking what? Freedom fighters have bigger fishies to fry. Why worry about 9/11 and its aftermath when there are raw milk and fucking light bulbs to deal with, not to mention tax cuts (but no spending cuts) to demand?

  46. Brian Holtz

    Why advocate against the government overreaction to 9/11, when you can fantasize about an insider conspiracy that invites the inference that the reaction was justified if 9/11 wasn’t an inside job?

    Show me someone whose opposition to Bush’s wars depends on Bush’s insincerity in launching them, and I’ll show you a sorry excuse for an antiwar activist.

  47. Robert Capozzi

    64 tb: Freedom fighters have bigger fishies to fry.

    65 bh: Why advocate against the government overreaction to 9/11, when you can fantasize about an insider conspiracy that invites the inference that the reaction was justified if 9/11 wasn’t an inside job?

    me: Which is the “fish” to demystify? Which dysfunction does one highlight to attract more to a less statist, more peaceful approach to organizing a civil order? Aim too small, and the issues seem trivial. Aim too high, and run the risk of appearing paranoid or delusional. Highlight few issues and come across as narrow. Highlight too many issues and overwhelm the audience with too much information. Pick irrelevant, side issues and come across as a fetishist. Pick relevant issues and come across as “conservative” or “liberal.”

    Being a L ain’t easy, let’s not kid ourselves.

  48. LibertarianGirl

    BH_Why advocate against the government overreaction to 9/11, when you can fantasize about an insider conspiracy that invites the inference that the reaction was justified if 9/11 wasn’t an inside job?

    Show me someone whose opposition to Bush’s wars depends on Bush’s insincerity in launching them, and I’ll show you a sorry excuse for an antiwar activist.

    me_ well said Brian , i think im stealing this for my FB wall

  49. LibertarianGirl

    GB_”True enough, but Americans have never faced extermination at the hands of a governments, as Jews have. When people call for ending the state of Israel, it too often has exterminationist overtones.

    And focusing on bad policies by the government of Israel, while refraining from criticizing the many despotic governments in the Middle East looks like special animus toward Israel.”

    me_ RTAA notes Native Americans have been subject to extermiation as have most peoples and religions thruout history . NOT 1 NATION , PEOPLE OR RELIGION IS EXEMPT FROM HAVING COMMITTED ATROVITIES OR BEEN THE FOCUS OF THEM , NOT 1.

    also whoever say just the government of Israel is wrong and ignores all th other fucked up governments. Make no mistake , GOVERNMENTS ARE THE PROBLEM , and I can confidently say that refers to them all acros the board. there does seem to be this air of , an wayne promotes it extensively , having to remain silent when Israel is wrong or face political suicide…

    i call bullshit… TRUTH TO POWER , ALL THE TIME , REGARDLESS…

  50. Fibber McGee

    If you do not expose the secret news broadcaster/FBI plot to monitor certain people through their TV sets while they are whacking off, you’re just a lackey of the establishment.

    Until this problem is addressed, we can’t do what it takes to get this country on the right course!

  51. history ----- on the current system .... Lake

    Brian [Mister Establishment] Holtz // Sept 15, 2011:

    “NORAD was never ordered to “stand down”, and Cheney never gave a “stand down” order.

    In fact, [de facto President] Cheney did not start giving any orders until after the last plane, UA93, had crashed in Pennsylvania.

    Mineta’s timeline is wrong” ——— but, but, did that wise, well dressed, clear eyed, Harvard MBA, posing as Commander In Chief, ever find out what happened to the little goat in the class room children’s book ????????????

  52. history ----- on the current system .... Lake

    64 Tom Blanton // Sep 16, 2011:

    The reaction to 9/11 is directly attributable to the American government.

    [Yet] To my knowledge, no politician, bureaucrat or official has been held accountable for any failure or complicity.

    [Lake: Tommy, do yoiu know any of the dozens of good hearted, thoroughly ignored, low level, front line, federal officials, whom did NOT get their careers totally bashed for doing the right thing ?????? Do not include ‘rising star’ former FBI special agent Bill O’Brien. He died on Monday, September 11th, 2001. At the World Trade Center. As the newly appointed Head of Security.]

  53. John Jay Myers

    Unfortunately Wayne doesn’t understand that when you vomit out this much trash, the tone gets taken as your “intention”.

    It makes people believe that libertarians take Wayne’s side in the ground zero mosque and that we “must be in the Middle East to protect Israel” (as Wayne has told me personally in the past.)

    This article is just someone desperate to find acceptance by the media that they pander and trash hoping someone will pick it up and use them as the “Rights’ talking head”. Libertarians are not “right” and we are not Israel flag waving, anti muslim, war mongers either.

    I have been really out of the loop starting another business, it sucks to have to read this kind of crap.

  54. LibertarianGirl

    just FYI on Nevada the latest…David Coleborne had donated the $500 for the LPNevada LPAC booth , there was an explicit agreement and understanding at the business meeting where he informed the Excom , that wa what the money was for , everyone was thankful and in agreement …well geuss what?? the LPNevada excom , which includes Wayne Root can add , I dont know what the charge would be , theft? embezzlement? what do you call it when you take in money for a specific reason then fail to use it for that reason??
    long story short , the LPNevada DID NOT PURCHASE THE LPAC BOOTH WITH THE $5OO DONATED JUST FOR THAT REASON.

    I emailed Wayne asking for an explanation , I recieved no reply…. shame on you Wayne and other LPNevada excom. Not only did you not keep your word , you took money while being disingenuous AND we had no presence at one of the biggest liberty events in the country…

    mistake? overlooked? forgotten?

    no excuses , shame on you

  55. Jill Pyeatt

    I’ve noticed your absence, John Jay, and I hope your restaurant is going well. Actually, Wayne took a kind of hiatus as well, and has only recently re-appeared. His absence I didn’t mind
    at all, however.

  56. Jill Pyeatt

    LG, if David would like to write something up about it, I’ll be happy to post an article about it.

  57. LibertarianGirl

    thanks Jill , ill ask him but i dont knw if he will , the last time he spoke about LPNV business and recorded our meeting and posted here , he was chastized like a whipping boy for a good 15 min at the next business meeting , which is why he offered to foot the bill for a booth as a good idea and a gift in kind/apology…

  58. Carol Moore, Washington DC

    So when is Wayne going to announce? And is he going to boast about all the members he brought in as a member of the outreach committee (any at all?) and all the money he brought in as head of the LNCC (less than he brought in in his campaign for chair?)??? And what “race” are the Jews? Or are they an ethnic/religious group, depending on whether they are secular or followers of Judaism as well??

  59. Joe Buchman

    Did Hillary beat Obama in the Democratic Primary? Did I miss something here?

  60. Paulie

    That depends on what you think of my omniverse (or other people’s multiverse) idea.

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