John Stossel: Hail To The Who; Are Americans Missing Out On A Better Option?

Fox Business Channel:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/index.html

Has a video on that main page today promoting John Stossel’s show tonight with the following narration:

“Hail to the Who? More than two candidates are running for Pres. So why are the media ignoring them and are Americans missing out on a better option? John tackles the two party system by asking — Is it damaging our Democracy? It’s a must-see edition of Stossel.”

9PM Eastern Time, tonight, Thursday, September 13th.

22 thoughts on “John Stossel: Hail To The Who; Are Americans Missing Out On A Better Option?

  1. Ryan C

    Stossel has good content and discussions on his show, but am I the only one who finds him extremely SMUG?

  2. Chuck Moulton

    Unfortunately Gary Johnson used 1/4 of his appearance to talk about the Fair Tax and continued to spread the lie that the Fair Tax is a free lunch (prices net of taxes on goods will not change, but you’ll have no income tax).

    I’m pretty frustrated that I continue to work my ass off getting Gary Johnson on the ballot in states like Virginia and Pennsylvania only to see him waste his media associating libertarianism with the so-called “Fair Tax”.

  3. Andy

    “Chuck Moulton // Sep 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Unfortunately Gary Johnson used 1/4 of his appearance to talk about the Fair Tax and continued to spread the lie that the Fair Tax is a free lunch (prices net of taxes on goods will not change, but you’ll have no income tax).

    I’m pretty frustrated that I continue to work my ass off getting Gary Johnson on the ballot in states like Virginia and Pennsylvania only to see him waste his media associating libertarianism with the so-called ‘Fair Tax’.”

    Yep. This was one of the reasons that I was leery about Gary Johnson, and this is also why I spent a lot of time warning others to be leery of him.

    Oh well, on the flip side he’s been a much better candidate (so far) than Bob Barr was.

  4. NewFederalist

    Andy… I am pleased to see your response above. I know you have been very critical of Gov. Johnson in the past on the issue of the “Fair Tax” and I agree. I thought you were going to pass on him as a nominee because of it. While I totally agree with Chuck and you that he is really barking up a dead hog’s ass on this issue, he is still really good on most everything else.

  5. Stewart Flood

    He talked about the fair tax for 19 seconds out of a nearly seven minute segment. That was not even close to “1/4” of his appearance.

  6. Dan

    @2 I agree, Chuck. The Fair Tax as it is is a pipe dream and the only way to really make it work AND be fairly equitable would require making it nearly as complicated as the existing tax code. This is one case where a Johnson should avoid specifics and instead merely support overhauling (or replacing) the current tax code of the federal government (sorry, Gary, as President you have no control over the States), to make it simpler, fairer and more efficient, leaving the gory details of the specific implementation to be worked out.

  7. C James Madison

    Since were on the topic of taxes, would it work on the Federal level to have a small tariff and then send an invoice to each state based on the population of each state? This way each state would have the responsibility to raise enough revenue to pay their respective tax bill. A secondary consequence would be that the states would desire the federal government to spend less instead of more. I think this is closer to how funds were generated prior to 1913. If you respectively disagree, please submit a plan. I am open to a good idea which involves ending the taxing of people based on income (at the Federal level, at least as a start)…

  8. JT

    NewFed: “While I totally agree with Chuck and you that he is really barking up a dead hog’s ass on this issue, he is still really good on most everything else.”

    Barking up a dead hog’s ass? Haha. People on this site sure come up with some vivid, unusual phrases. Blanton leads on that score though.

    Anyway, I’d rather a candidate propose a very low flat tax instead of the Fair Tax (if not repeal of the income tax entirely). But as Stewart said, Johnson didn’t talk much about the Fair Tax at all, which is consistent with his entire campaign. GJ isn’t being branded as “The Libertarian Fair Tax candidate for President.”

    However, if anyone is deeply frustrated and/or angry with Johnson even mentioning the Fair Tax, then don’t do anything to help him–it’s that simple. If it’s a relatively minor irritation that you wish didn’t exist, then get over it.

  9. Chuck Moulton

    Stewart Flood wrote (@5):

    He talked about the fair tax for 19 seconds out of a nearly seven minute segment. That was not even close to “1/4? of his appearance.

    I didn’t time it with a stopwatch, but the denominator in my estimate was the time Johnson actually talked about issues, not the length of the segment (which also included Stossel talking about Johnson, people asking Johnson questions, etc.).

    Also you didn’t include his response to Virgil Goode’s question.

    Since you want to time things with a stopwatch, I did too. My estimate of 25% was high; your claim of 4.5% was low: it was actually 16%.

    16% is still way too high for a terrible issue.

    7 – cut spending
    16 – cut entitlements
    12 – 43% cut in spending
    18 – reactions to entitlement cuts
    43 – medicare/medicaid
    10 – military interventions
    19 – military spending
    35 – income tax
    20 – FAIR TAX
    16 – legalize marijuana
    5 – gay marriage
    43 – Stewart Alexander (Socialist Party question) – social security
    23 – Virgil Goode (Constitution Party question) – FAIR TAX
    268 (total seconds)

    My timing (43 = 20 + 23):
    43/268 = 16%

    Your timing (420 = 7 x 60):
    19/420 = 4.5%

  10. JT

    Paulie: “It’s a pretty big irritation, but it’s not the only issue, so I am working for the campaign despite it.”

    Good. That’s what I said. *Relatively* minor compared to all the other issues.

  11. LibertarianGirl

    After hearing GJ speech at Paulfest id kinda thought he was abandoning his fair tax focus like he seemed to change his fed opinion from the one he had in vegas……#1 reason RP folk tell me they wont vote for him is fair tax…..just sayin

  12. Chuck Moulton

    LibertarianGirl wrote:

    #1 reason RP folk tell me they wont vote for him is fair tax…..just sayin

    Virgil Goode is no dummy.

    He was given the chance to ask one question to Gary Johnson, so he used his question to let Gary Johnson talk more about the Fair Tax. He knows his best chance of getting votes from Ron Paul supporters is convincing them Gary Johnson wants to implement a big new government tax.

  13. zapper

    The strategic value of the Fair Tax is this: If we can eliminate all other Federal taxes and replace them all with the Fair Tax and a balanced budget with a 43% spending cut as Johnson has advocated, then we’ll all be in the same boat together. This should lead to a massive constituency for continued, steep cuts in government spending and sales tax rates under the Fair Tax.

    … But I still hate the prebate.

    Eliminating the prebate would significantly lower the tax rate from the outset.

  14. Andy

    “Virgil Goode is no dummy.

    He was given the chance to ask one question to Gary Johnson, so he used his question to let Gary Johnson talk more about the Fair Tax. He knows his best chance of getting votes from Ron Paul supporters is convincing them Gary Johnson wants to implement a big new government tax.”

    Virgil said that he supports the Fair Tax as well on his campaign website.

  15. Jim Fulner

    The two biggest problems with the FairTax, in my opinon are:

    1.) If it were ever implemented, which it won’t be, the actaul Tax will never reach 0. Gary’s take that he had been listening to Libertarians and was going to use the continually mention that his FairTax plan would start as the offical FairTax of 23% and, gradually with a decrease in spending, eventually get it to 0%. This one thing I felt Gary did much better between when he came to Michigan in March, and when he was at the Nat. Con. in May. But even this argument hasn’t been kept up since then, and after I read Boortz’s book on the subject, I realized that it would be impossible. As its been said before the problem is the pre-bate. Its hard enough to convince any one to support tax cuts now, I see 0 chance of us being able to convince the public, particularly the so-called lower class, that us sending them LESS money in their monthly check from the government will bennifit them in anyway.

    2.) Its called the FairTax. That suggest that their is such a thing as a fair tax. To me the suggest of a fair tax is like the suggestion of a fair rape, “Hey we put on a condom on so that makes it okay, right?” The recent comments about so-called legitimate rape make this analogy more clear than ever.

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