Video Coverage From LNC Spring Meeting In Chicago Now Up On YouTube

During the LNC meeting March 16-17th  in Rosemont, Illinois (suburb of Chicago next to O’Hare airport), I was there both doing a little bit of reporting for IPR when Paulie had business to take care of and also recording as much of the proceedings as I could make it out to (on Saturday, March 16th, I came into the meeting  at 2:30 PM, about six and a half hours after it had started). However, other than that, I was able to record nearly all the rest of the proceedings. While a live stream via would have been preferential, I did not posses the technology and know-how to make it happen. However, I am happy to report that all the video filmed at the LNC’s meeting is now available for viewing on YouTube. This project is an effort supporting the goals of the LP Sunshine Caucus, founded by Paulie Frankel, which aims to bring more transparency and openness to the LNC. The playlist, containing 3 videos and being  just shy of 6 hours in duration, is available at the following link:

24 thoughts on “Video Coverage From LNC Spring Meeting In Chicago Now Up On YouTube

  1. paulie

    Has anyone watched the video? Any comments or questions? Chris took a lot of time to shoot and upload it so I hope someone watches it.

  2. Summary of first video

    From George Phillies. A few editorial points inserted. There were some remarkable non sequiturs in the debate, which I have noted.

    Hinkle reports on telephone calling to raise money for the building. Hinkle notes that staff members are available on weekends under some conditions to help raise money. He says we just need to raise some more money. Blau asks about emails for raising money for the building. Emails have gone out to various sorts of people who previously gave money for the building. Several emails to the entire general email list raising money for the building will go out in the next few weeks. Cloud offers $5000 as matching funds for completely new donations, but only if someone else puts up another $5000. Blau says that he will match Cloud’s $5000. Starchild asks if we have looked at any real properties yet. We are in touch with a realtor. The most recent possibility cost more than $2 million. Blau: we are keeping tabs on the market, so that when we get to enough money we know what is available. However, we don’t know when we’ll have enough money. Lark raises the Alexandria versus Arlington question. Hinkle: there are more available properties in Alexandria. Neale notes that if we buy a building in DC it may take us months to get permission to occupy it. We have $116,000 in the bank and 25,000 in pledges.

    Neale: the Watergate lease expires at the end of April. The renewal at the Watergate is for three years with six months notice if we are leaving early. There would be one to two months overlap between the lease and the purchase. Neale opines that is minimal for handling a real move allowing for contingencies. Termination requires that we have actually purchase the building. The lease is now $11,500 per month. Lieberman asks how long it may take to raise enough money. The motion says we need to raise 20% as the down payment; this is $200,000. The earliest we can move, given the new lease, is 7 1/2 months. Blau and Neale opine that we will probably be moved into a new building by the end of 2013.Starchild asks about time required for building improvements on the new building and the alternative of moving into a cheaper unit in the meantime. Neale proposes that the current plan is better than these alternatives.

    They are voting on a motion to approve renewing the lease. The vote is 16 to 1 with one abstention. Neale turns the gavel over to Wrights. Howell then starts reporting. Howell claims membership is now above 15,000. She appears to be counting non-member donors as members. She claims she is not counting nonmember donors, and is corrected by Kraus. She was counting nonmember donors as members. Renewal rates are fairly constant over the last year. Question: utility of social media? Howell: there was a bump after Arvin Vohra redid the Facebook page. There was a bump after the Rand Paul’s filibuster. Two fundraising letters since the last LNC meeting did not do that well. There has been a delay because prepping the building fundraising letters is complicated. Howell says fundraising letters are late because other issues intervened. The monthly donors are way down because two donors giving $60,000 a year total stopped giving. Our Newtown shooting press release got a lot of coverage. We also did radio ads. There was a petition with over 10,000 signers. The ad was successful because it called for gun law repeal, not just for not passing new laws.

    There are claims that the Jeb Bush campaign staff has noticed what we are doing. Allegedly they are taking counter actions, though these were not specified. Howell thanks people on the LNC who encouraged her to focus on the radio ads. Our videographer was laid off in the end of last year. It is clear that our bold messages are successful. We had a booth at the ISIL conference. Lark thanks people for helping him at the ISIL booth. Lark says students are historically not interested in partisan political activities. He believes this is changing for the better. Vohra: student activist leaders self identify as anarchocapitalists. Proposal: letter of thanks to Karl Rove for his plot to knock Ron Paul people out of Republican primaries. Surprise discovery: students are so busy with events they don’t have time to do a lot of things. Question about recruiting major donors early this year.

    Neale urges we pick up the pace of the meeting. Howell: inquiry rate has doubled relative to four years ago. LNC is trying to set up archive of candidate materials from years past and years present to be an archive for the future. Archive will let us honor past candidates. Starchild notes that LP news is supposed to cover issues and tactics as well as candidates according to the bylaws. Starchild: we are too focused on candidates and not enough on ideas. Neale complains that Starchild ideas are single person ideas and a board policy is needed. Starchild was quoting the bylaws. Howell: we want to advocate candidates and ideas at the same time. Howell has a computer game: the message is take a discussion and put libertarianism in the driver’s seat. Neale lasts when the LNC can see this computer game. The possibility of displaying the game at Freedom Fest exists.

    Howell webpage has been subject to multiple DDOS attacks. We had to migrate from Drupal 5.something to Drupal 7.something. Staff has a challenge bringing out LP news and keeping the blogs updated. This is a time issue. Howell: LP news comes out quarterly. We need another full-time staff member to bring it out more often. Howell is the editor; there is an assistant editor. Discussion of webpage: the call for nominations to the Convention Committees was never on the webpages. Neale agrees that standard procedures should exist to cover this. Howell: we will be supporting candidates in Virginia and New Jersey, because these places have statewide partisan elections this year.

    Ballots for Convention Committees are distributed. Chair explains to Hinkle one more time that the ballots are already collated; Hinkle should take three off the top, as has been said three or four times already. Chair ensures that all ballots are signed. Neale proposes to postpone the new membership levels to make it concurrent with occupation of the new building. This is another postponement. Visek speaks in opposition. Neale says the reprint cost is $800 not $20,000. Lieberman argues that the message being sent is that LNC decisions will not be implemented if some people don’t want them implemented. Lieberman quotes letter from Andy Wolf. Wrights speaks against kicking the can down the road not even to a definite date. We should either toss this out or implement it. Blau: I have been concerned with the cost of the change. I support the motion. Hinkle claims that the changes will cost us income. He assumes that because few people pay $2500 now people will not pay $2500 when it is called life membership. Neale claims that this postponement will save money. He implicitly assumes that the change will not bring in more money. GP: Approximately speaking, the incremental value of the first life membership that comes in at the new rate will pay for the cost of printing the new material.

    A two thirds vote is required. There is a rollcall vote. I could not tell what the outcome was. Neale complains about Manichaean arguments – this is good, that is bad. At this point they are doing a battery change on the camera. Neale argues that the sustaining dues are too low. Neale talking at great length. We are at the one hour 22 minute point. Lark explains why lots of levels were put in. There is some analogy with sports organizations which have lots of perks to distribute. Neale goes on at great length about not liking how many membership levels there are. Neale wants to create a committee to re-examine dues levels. The proposed member are Lark, Hinkle, Cloud, and Tomasso. Neale says he will not put Starchild on the committee because Starchild will not compromise. This will be the Membership Reflux Committee. The committee is to propose a new set of membership levels that a majority of the LNC can support. Lieberman and Johnson appear to have declined to join.

    APRC report Wrights: committee is not being given enough time to review material. In one case it was given 20 minutes. Howell does not have a solution. She tries to give more notice on controversial material. Visek: must balance better timeliness and appropriateness. Wrights: the a PRC has a charge in the policy manual. Operation of releases has made it impossible for the APRC to do its job.

    Affiliate support (Wrights): We were hoping to have an affiliate support agreement. We are not yet there. The LS LA Executive Board does not have authority to negotiate with us. We are trying to put in writing what services and support we provide the affiliates. Neale notes that this is basically an order from him to staff as to what the staff shall do. Pat Dixon, Cisse Spraggins, and Jim Fulmer are the LSLA representatives on the committee. Wrights: we need odd document state chairs will sign and support. Tomasso: state chairs were concerned that this agreement will bind them in an unreasonable manner. They have been calmed down. Meeting adjourned until 9 AM the next day. The vote was 10-5.

  3. Jill Pyeatt

    Excellent, George. It does seem that there was less bickering than the last meeting.

  4. ProFunk

    Are parts two and three coming?

    BTW Comments about PA are at 1:27:45 in Part 1…

  5. Ray Beez

    Phillies comment describing the content is referring to the video in comment 1, not part 1.

  6. Partial Transcript of the last third of the meeting

    I did the hour and a half video; I do not have enough time tonight for the big one.

    Neale moves to change the convention committee organization. There will be an oversight committee, and organizing committee, and a site selection committee. The committees have members and charges. Neale notes that we used to have a variation on this, the committees got shoved together, and the merged committee only has two non-LNC members on it, which is unworkable. You need both several local people, and several people who’ve run national conventions before.
    Visek notes you could simply change the membership of the one committee. Neale’s arrangement means that we have four committees counting the LNC and it gets very complicated. Committee extends for 15 minutes.
    Tomasso asks if the committees must be different people. Neale: It depends who was available. He reports that the people who ran the last convention, which succeeded thanks to several miracles, have absolutely no interest in helping with the next one. Starchild: we would be giving up some direct LNC oversight. Neale: at the moment the chair chooses the five LNC members of the convention oversight committee, and they choose the two non-LNC members. This way, the LNC gets influence on the non-LNC members. Cloud speaks up for Neale proposal. Neale: site selection will submit a list, and LNC will act. Question is called. Votes Yes Goldstein and no wiener abstain lark abstain Starchild no Lieberman no wiener voted no Visek voted no apparently.

    Vohra: discussion of project funding. There are several interpretations out there. In one, people raise money by themselves using no LNC resources. In the other LNC resources are used raise money. He is uncomfortable with the first for mission critical issues like the website. Cloud notes we used to do these projects. Website should be a central function; a core function should not be crowdfunded. Neale: I think there are more than two categories. Vohra: sometimes we need to do things very quickly. Look at the anti-gun groups after Newtown. Neale: to be responsive you need money tools staff techniques etc. We don’t have very much of those. We’re: a ragtag army. They have a full-time chair. You can’t reach me by phone until I leave the building. (Phillies: I seem to recall we have a full-time Executive Director.) Lark: is the question how much oversight the LNC should be giving to projects? Someone: we don’t have a political director. We don’t have a fund-raising director. There need to be some FEC rules compliance issues. Frankel: party raises money for menu of choices. We would give the membership a list of choices. Olson: have things canned and ready to go. For example, we know that there will be another shooting incident. Visek: policy manual currently deals with this. We already have rules on how projects work. (Phillies,: these rules appear to be very workable for projects that are appropriately project-funded, and that art do not need great rapid immediacy of development.) Neale suggests there should be a concrete proposal on what else to add, to be developed outside the meeting. Starchild proposes LNC members could propose projects which the LNC would then act on.

    There is a gap. They are now electing the convention oversight committee. Nominees are Kirkland Wrights Starchild and Goldstein. The committee is electing two people. Committee takes a break to check out of the hotel.

    Hinkle motion: wants notification on motions to the LNC for meetings to be reduced for 14 days to 10. After all, we only have 10 days to vote on electronic motions. Visek opposes. This rule is only for things that were previously voted. The motion is for the members not just for us. People got something through need reasonable notice so they can plan to show up again and defend what they got done. Neale: chair must put items on agenda is called for. I need time to do this. Seven days would be impossible. Wiener: absolute majority of LNC can adopt motions without prior notice. That’s good enough. Absolute majority is an extremely important procedural safeguard. Roll call on motion: took two minutes to get to a vote Olson no Kirkland yes Lieberman no Tomasso no Redpath pass Starchild yes Vohra yes Visek no lark no Hinkle yes cloud yes Wiener no Goldstein no Johnston yes ? No Wrights abstain Blau yes Redpath abstain Neale abstain. Seven yes eight no. Motion fails.

    Neale: Kirkland resolution needs unanimous vote. Neil tells Kirkland she is required to read out loud or resolution. Kirkland resolution is a defense of juries trying the law, a defense of freedom of speech, and a defense of Julian Heicklen. Heicklen was put in contempt of court. Heicklen fled to Israel. His contemporary is serving 147 days in jail. Redpath notes there was no opportunity to read the decisions in advance it to decide whether their reasonable or not. This is particularly true of the appeals decision. Visek: how many of these can we handle? There are a lot of these every time. Neale: resolution does not tell people why we are upset. It is not usable to circulate to the outside world. Starchild: I sent the material Heicklen, and thought he would fill in the details, which he did not. Tomasso moves to postpone indefinitely, until we can get better language. Wrights: the motion cannot be withdrawn without the board’s consent. Resolutions should be proof and discussed in advance.

    Tomasso: strategic goals. We do not have measurements for the strategic goals. What sort of benchmarks do we want to have for states with ballot access. How do we measure our success? We need more specific goals rather than more nebulous goals. We should not set them right now. Visek tracking is good. Setting numbers is less effective. Olson: goals should be attached to a plan of action. Before you set goals you need a purpose. Goals without plans are pointless. Redpath argues for changing the election scheme to proportional representation. (Phillies: friends who’ve looked at foreign countries do this report that it leads to massive corruption and ineffective or extremist government.) We want to move in libertarian direction; that’s our goal. We should discuss tactics, not strategy. Neale goes on at some length despite being chair that the LNC setting strategies does not work because the people setting strategies are not responsible for causing anything to be done. Cloud: donors and activists are moved by momentum. A talking organization attracts talkers, like freedomfest. Media mention is important. People in general care about our candidates. Our objective should be to support candidates. Johnson? I found his remarks too obscure to minute. Visek: we differ on tactics not dogma. There is an issue of time and patience. Some people want everything; some people are willing to slice the salami one bit of the time.

    Hinkle had two motions. He did not bring printed copies of one so he defers to mail ballot. He also proposes to strike the requirement that the employment policy committee check proposal contracts before the chair signs them. He says it was directed solely at him motion . The motion delayed hiring Carla as ED. Visek: This was a very important contract. It should be reviewed by people other than the chair. The objective is to vet the contract so that it is acceptable. (Phillies: in many places, there are legitimate searches for major employees like this.) Starchild: I think this is a good policy. Neale: this is the only important part of what that committee does. Someone has to review contracts that I sign. Lark: as a former chair I think it is appropriate to keep this in place. There was a historical case in which a past national chair hired an ED, and a particular aspect of the contract became a nontrivial issue. Move to extend time fails. Roll call: Starchild no Vohra no lark no cloud yes Wiener no Goldstein note Johnson no Hagan no Wrights no Neale no Blau no Olson no Kirkland abstain (Phillies: Once again, this is Hinkel trying to undo last term.)

    Lieberman pass Tomasso no Redpath no Visek no. Hinkle yes. 2 to 14 is a defeat.
    Discussion over awards committee. Discussion between Neil And Lark over the record but in the end Redpath is put on the committee.
    Neale I did not put the location of the meeting after next on the agenda because we can do it better by mail ballot. We spent at this meeting 117 seconds thanking each other.

    LNC thanks local libertarians for their efforts in organizing supporting this meeting. LNC will perhaps meet at or near Caesars Palace in Las Vegas on July 14. The question is whether it will also meet on July 15, I think. It seems that it will be two days. The physical location of the meeting has not yet been determined.

    Alternates for committees announced. See official minutes.

    End of business.

  7. George Phillies

    How am I doing the Transcripts? I have two screens and three programs up. One is the video. A second is Microsoft word. The third is Nuance Dragondictate 12.5. Voice to text has made enormous progress. I listen in headphones and in the pauses between sentences talk very fast into the microphone. The transcription is almost perfect, totally different from the situation the first time I tried voice to text, ten years ago. The Nuance software, by the way, is much more effective with my voice than the software built into MSword. Your mileage may well vary a lot. Do not assume Dragon will work better for you. Names are the worst issue. For some reason, the machine thinks one of our LNC members is the sensible Dianna V6.

  8. Jill Pyeatt

    Lol on the Dianna V6.

    Thanks, George. I really appreciate you taking the time to do these reviews.

  9. Last transcript of LNC meeting

    Transcript of the last section: It seemed to drag. It really should be possible to do things with a bit less clowning around at some points, which made me a bit less enthusiastic.

    We come in in the middle of something or other. Mr. Vohra says that he views whatever it was as a fairly simple question that could be it given a yes or no answer. Neal was saying that he cannot compel Mr. Starr to answer a question, whatever it was, if he does not wish to answer it. There is a sentence from someone that they were not asking about Mr. Waggoner, but about whether Mr. Reeves is on the list, and apparently the answer is that Reeves is on the list. I inferred that it is the so-called state chair list that is under discussion. Hinkle asks why the membership of the state chairs list is any business of the LNC. Neal says that we were receiving a report from the LSLA, and therefore there is some latitude and asking questions.

    Motion from Mr. Tomasso on filling vacancies on the LNC. The first round of ballot is an approval ballot; people who do not get majority approval do not advance to the second round. (GP: approval voting does not work. I’ve been there.)l

    Olsen moves to amend: Delete “ in LP News”. We do not publish it very often. Neale interrupts to express his opinion. Neale gives Tomasso the chance to speak against the amendment. Redpath speaks against the motion. Neale believes that many past committees have not bothered to tell the membership but there were openings on the LNC. Discussion of filling at large and officer positions. Some officer positions need to be filled reasonably rapidly. Cloud notes that the election process can be gamed against everyone’s second choice. Neale gets a motion to extend for five minutes. He does not ask if there is a second. When someone tries to second he claims that it’s too late. There is then an immediate motion to extend for three minutes. They extension is seconded there is then a voice vote. (GP: Neale was becoming dictatorial in his behavior in my opinion.)

    Visek, I think, says the process is a bit too complicated. Hinkle argues that the telling the members that there is a vacancy does not matter because the LNC will only vote for known candidates, not applicants from the membership. He cites the secretary election as an example. Someone urges that there is no rush electing at large people so we should do it right.

    Roll call vote Hagan, Vohra, Starchild, Tomasso and someone vote yes. Wrights and Neale abstain.

    Fill APRC vacancies: Cloud nominates Gary Johnson of Texas. Vohra nominates Hinkle. With no objection the two men are elected to the two vacancies.

    Redpath for 20 minutes. He most to increase ballot access in the 2013 budget from $0 to $1700. Neale asks to increase up to 1800. Mr. Wright subjects. There is some very strange byplay where Wrights says that Redpath does not have to cover his ears over something that is not spoken. Apparently there was something discussed in executive session yesterday. The rationale for this motion to spend money is being kept secret from the membership. Vohra votes no. Wrights votes no. The other 16 vote yes. Secretary asks if all ballots have been submitted for convention committee. For some reason the camera keeps wiggling going in all directions and all sorts of things.

    Redpath says there are no specific proposals for petitioning at this point. He may come forward with a proposal in the near future for Arkansas. He thinks Alabama and North Dakota should be done differently. Redpath wants to know whether they should let the executive committee decide whether to advance with Arkansas balloting or whether a mail ballot is desired. Paul takes a question and has a very sharp and knowledgeable answer. He is much more precise and rapid than Redpath. Someone makes the emphatic point that the LNC is a whole has to amend the budget. Redpath says that the Arkansas state chair says that they have candidate for governor who can get 3%. We’ve never before had a candidate for governor in Arkansas. Visek begins to speak, and Redpath interrupts her, discussing project-based fundraising for ballot access. Visek proposes this is a good time to try project-based fundraising for ballot access. Vohra proposes project-based fundraising and using ballot access and voting rights is an issue. Visek speaks up for ballot access fundraising on campuses. (GP: In Massachusetts state universities, this would be totally illegal.) Paulie gives detailed rational arguments for doing Arkansas by the end of this fall. Redpath speaks doubtfully of using ballot access as the fundraising pitch.

    Regional reports: Olsen explains that because he represents smaller states, they have fewer people and therefore it is harder to have a state party that is big enough to be effective. Olsen says Mike Fellows is not an ideal candidate. Montana defeated a Republican top two primary system. Arizona’s proposing that all people should need same number of signatures to get on the ballot. Olsen is against this. Kansas is organizing by County, even though they have over 100 of them. Olsen says that Colorado has a quorum requirement for its state committee such that if positions are vacant it can interfere with getting quorum.

    LP California is adding registered voters even though other parties in California are losing them. lark asks why. Wiener opines that the Johnson campaign was helpful. Redpath wonders if it would be effective to recruit registered California Libertarians into party members. Wiener notes that California has online voter registration that works. Starr notes that all voters can vote for any candidate in the primary, so there is less disincentive to registering libertarian. Cloud notes that 15 years ago converting registered Libertarians worked very poorly, but there is an enormous sea change in social issues among young people. We should try an experiment with 5000 registered Libertarians to see if we can get them to join our party. We also get email addresses and phone numbers with California registrations at least in some cases.

    Elected to the credentials committee are Emily Salvette, Vicki Kirkland, Stephen Linnabary, and Mike Kane. Runoff between Beth Duensing and Gary Johnson. Johnson withdraws. Duensing is elected. Johnson has a radio show. He has been doing this for 26 years. Salvette is chosen as interim chair. Neale praises Salvette’s virtues as interim chair, but emphasizes this is as interim chair. Neale dragoons committee into appointing Emily Salvette as interim chair.

    New England-New Jersey is looking for new alternate representative. New Jersey has state legislative elections this year. So does Virginia.
    Bylaws and rules committee tally for election. Only four winners where from the LNC so there is no limitation issue. There is a three-way tie for the ninth place; they need to elect two of the three. Neale does a superb job of explaining how three-way tie elects two people in the end. The choices are Rob Latham, Aaron Starr, and Matt Wittlief.

    Lark gives a report. It was revised. A statement from Paul was added objecting to a claim by the Pennsylvania state chair. Virginia state party would like state legislative districts added to its data dump of members. Visek notes that unless it can be automated it gets very expensive because redistricting. Chair says there is a computer package that will do this, but some custom programming is needed. Also Virginia wants registered voter data for registered Libertarian voters, and half the country does not use registration by party. Also, Lark asks that people inquire if other states are interested in this. It is asked what is going on in Pennsylvania. Lark says that there are two polarized camps going at each other. Neale quotes a Pennsylvanian: Pennsylvania, the Oregon of the East. Moulton is appointed interim chair of the bylaws committee Rob Latham and Matt Wittlief were elected; Aaron Starr is the first alternate.

    A scheme for appointing alternates, namely the people who came closest to winning but didn’t, is chosen for putting alternates on the convention committees. Committee agrees to pass this unanimously.

    Platform committee: a remarkable amount of time is wasted rather than just reading out the candidates in order of how many votes they got. However that list is in the end read.

    Regional Report: Oklahoma has challenges for running candidates as Libertarians. The Oklahoma state webpage is critiqued. Oklahoma State party had a public meeting with 25 people at it. Neale: it is better not to put tinfoil hat wearing Libertarians on the stage at a meet us meeting. Redpath appears to say we need a better Oklahoma chair. Efforts to amend Oklahoma laws been quite difficult. (GP: what last I checked, except for president, you can get on the ballot in Oklahoma by paying a filing fee. You are nominally running as an independent, but as was demonstrated by Joe Kennedy in Massachusetts, the press will more or less be guaranteed of calling you a libertarian if they mention you.)

    Olsen is working on using an audio mixer to balance several microphones and get a good audio recording of the entire meeting. They have mostly been sitting around waiting for votes to be counted for the platform committee election. Joe Buchman is elected interim chair of the platform committee.

    Tomasso moves to establish a presidential campaign support fund. Tomasso believes it’s important that we demonstrate to the presidential nominee that we can give them some support. His ideas that it will give us better candidates. Tomasso wants to use project funding to an unencumbered funds so it has no effect on the general budget. There is then some amount of parliamentary foofaraw. Lieberman makes a parliamentary point that is sufficiently obscure that the chairs not sure what is being asked. I didn’t follow it either. Lieberman proposes that spending cut off should be November 30 rather than election day. Starchild notes that letting us spend the money on other things would give us more leverage with presidential candidates. Apparently the Johnson campaign complained that they did not get strong affiliate support because we need stronger affiliates. Olsen urges that the money would better be spent on strengthening affiliates. Neale expresses concern that the money can be spent for so many different things, indeed almost anything, and this risks annoying donors. Cloud opines that the problem with the Johnson campaign was that they didn’t try effectively to interact with our existing state parties. His remarks imply that the difficulty was the Johnson was not an internal candidate the way Brown and Badnarik were and was not sensitive to what could be done.

    Voting against: Starchild, Olson . There were 14 yes, one extension and Wrights recuses himself-potential future conflict. GP this appears to be enhanced that Wrights is planning on running for president again.

    Neale asks that the rosters of committee memberships be taken out of the policy manual because they can be changed all the time. Lieberman thinks it is very convenient to have all information in the policy manual. Neale objects to dynamic data in a static document. Wiener notes that we put the names into the policy manual because the policy manual was being updated more reliably and often than anything else.

  10. George Phillies

    Let me give an example of wasted time. After the Chair says that the Secretary should call the roll, the Secretary should say 18 words, namely the names of each member, a repeat of what he heard “Mr Jones votes Yes”, followed by a vote count to the chair, and nothing else. The roll should start immediately and proceed briskly.

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