CCTUC Issues Statement on the Current Situation within the National Constitution Party

On April 24th, The Clarion Call to Unite Committee (CCTUC) released the following statement on the Constitution Party recently deciding not to support the organization’s efforts:

 

While the Clarion Call To Unite Committee previously issued a brief statement on the unfortunate matter pertaining to the results of the Constitution Party National Committee meeting in Baltimore, Maryland yesterday; however, there are also, at this current moment, increasing reports that the supposed vote taken during the early Saturday morning portion of their meeting may have been intentionally manipulated, or even rigged, and that the validity of this vote the CP took on a resolution that addressed our organization, and our efforts- at the moment, is open to question.

However, while if true and accurate, in which these reports and rumors about the conduct and actions taken at the CP National Committee meeting in Baltimore are indeed disturbing to us, and certainly do complicate our dialogue and outreach efforts with the National Constitution Party; nevertheless, the CCTUC believes that such matters within the Constitution Party are for the leaders and members of the CP alone to deal with, and resolve, and without outside interference.

Therefore, regardless of the nature of such internal situations in the organization of the CP, the CCTUC pledges neutrality and complete non-interference in this increasingly dire situation within the Constitution Party, and respects those members of the CCTUC that are also members, or leaders, of the CP itself, to take any course of action on their party’s business as they so please, as long as they do not involve our organization in such a situation.

We are very sorry about these unexpected events, and do hope and pray that the Constitution Party can resolve any internal matters that could potentially be self-destructive for their party, and also to commence further in friendship and dialogue with us, as we seek to end the unfortunate strive and division that continues to plague fellow patriots, and to bring about the restoration of our Constitutional Republic.

Sincerely,

Cody Quirk,
National Chairman,
Clarion Call To Unite Committee

68 thoughts on “CCTUC Issues Statement on the Current Situation within the National Constitution Party

  1. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    I am trying to understand what is going on with the internal organizational structure of the National CP. Is it a power play on the part of
    some to fill the void left with the passing of the
    late Howard Phillip’s, (may he rest in peace)?

    It is not clear why the CP does not what a youth
    movement? Could it be that the National Veterans Coalition is the next outreach to hit
    the chopping block!? What will Larry Breazeale
    be doing next if the NVC goes the way of the YC?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party of California &
    Chairman of the Orange County Central Committee of the AIP

  2. Cody Quirk

    Honestly Mark, its probably not a power play-but an attempt to maintain power and the “status quo” in the CP to the point of rigging votes and backstabbing fellow CP’ers.

    However, others in the CP are really pissed off about what happened and political retaliation is coming.

    I really don’t know about the NVC, and while I considered Larry to be a good guy- if he was in on what happened in Baltimore, then my opinion of him will change.

    Oh BTW, your buddy Grundmann has been sending me threatening emails since I outed that psychotic liar here on IPR.

  3. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    When Jim King was suing Robinson in Fairfield,
    California, Don “Three Dates” Grundmann left
    the courthouse inches behind Mary Robinson and telling her his hands can kill, because he was
    trained as a D.C.

    During the time that some AIP CC members were trying to dump Ed Noonan
    as Chairman of the AIP of California, without
    a majority support of the State Central Committee, Grundmann purportedly telephoned
    Grace Hill and told her his hands can split her in
    two.

    Watch your back.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party of California

  4. Rod Stern

    The CP wants a youth organization, which is why they set one up in the first place. They shut it down because of concerns over the individuals in its leadership, possibly ties to Robby Wells and other people they don’t like, lack of producing bylaws or campus chapters, etc. In fact they hinted this was coming in IPR comments before the meeting – so why is anyone surprised?

    It had nothing to do with Howard Phillips. He died that same day, so it’s likely they did not learn about it at the meeting, since there was no statement about it passed there. Nor does it mean they will shut down the Veterans group or anything else. I suspect Seidenberg knows all this and is being disingenuous as usual.

    On the other hand, Cody watching his back with Grundmann making threats is probably sound advice.

  5. Mark Seidenberg

    Rod Stern

    In you post #4 you stated that “I suspect Seidenberg knows all…” I do not know anything
    about the internal workings of the CP Executive
    Committee at the present time.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  6. Rod Stern

    I don’t know anything about their workings, yet I can figure it out with logic and public information. You, unlike me, actually know many of them personally. So I don’t believe your questions and speculations are on the level and honest.

  7. Trent Hill

    “Honestly Mark, its probably not a power play-but an attempt to maintain power and the “status quo” in the CP to the point of rigging votes and backstabbing fellow CP’ers.”

    Rigging what votes–Cody. Please be specific.

  8. Cody Quirk

    I just explained it in the comments section of the recent IPR interview with Josh.

    This pompous attitude is making you sound quite irrational, Trent

  9. Cody Quirk

    #4 – if they disbanded the youth organization simply because they thought the members of it where colluding with Robby Wells and other groups that they falsely think have it out for the CP, then they have shown themselves to be overly paranoid, petty, and stupid; because while joh

  10. Cody Quirk

    *Josh, has been active with the CCTUC and while he does support Robby Wells in principle, there has been no collusion at all, and to do this to a hardworking college student with experience working for Ron Paul’s campaign last year and is also involved with the Free and Equal organization

  11. Rod Stern

    What has he done with the college group? Apparently he forgot it needed charter/bylaws?

  12. Cody Quirk

    – all because of some ridiculous deadline requirements- is counterproductive and simpleton for the CP to do, especially to up a disband one’s entire youth organization as well, yet never mind that other leaders of the CP haven’t been fulfilling their duties to the fullist extent either, and instead target the dedicated idealst that they falsely think is out to ruin the CP only shows the lack of practical competence and wisdom, demonstrating that, sadly, the national CP has failed to live up as a true principled alternative to the GOP.

  13. Cody Quirk

    Rod, obviously he has a lot on his plate right now that he can’t cross every ‘T’ on schedule, and to throw him under the bus over a ridiculous deadline is quite reprehensible.

  14. Rod Stern

    Peter Gemma wrote this on April 4:

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/04/josuha-fauver-constitution-party-and-the-clarion-call-to-unite/#comment-822895

    “Joshua –

    Does this extra-curricula activity stand in the way of your CP assignment?

    I suspect you’ll be called on at the next Nat’l Com meeting for a report on how many young people you’ve recruited, how many high school and college campuses have chapters, how many talks you’ve given, etc.

    If you want to devote time to the CCTUC scheme that’s fine – but you should be ready to give positive reports on your official CP duties; I doubt anyone will ask you about CCTUC.”

  15. Peter Gemma

    Wow – what a spin. It was a unanimous decision by the Executive Committee and ratified by the National Committee unanimously. No rumor, no dissension, no “internal matters” to resolve.
    The only CP “leader” involved with your operation was stripped of his “rank” – a unanimous decision by the Executive Committee and ratified by the National Committee unanimously (although, to be fair, it was not entirely because his CCTUC connection).
    The plain fact is that CP does not want any formal or informal ties with CCTUC. While we wish you well, it is the firm position of the CP is to be affiliated with the characters involved with CCTUC.

  16. Rod Stern

    So you stripped him of his rank…but didn’t tell him about it when he got there?

  17. Rod Stern

    “While we wish you well,”

    I don’t understand that either. Their mission is to unite your party with other similar parties, and you don’t want to participate. How do you think they could succeed without your participation? Clearly you can’t wish them well, as far as I can tell.

  18. Peter Gemma

    Hello? He had to know even before he got there: it was clear that he was supposed to organize the youth operation by the simple requirements of by-laws etc. What’s an “organization” without them? He had no come back: no active chapters, website, etc. Nada. All he had to show – posted on this website – is his disdain for the CP because they won’t do what HE and a few others think is good political business. They are welcome to their opinions, but the CP thought it best to set him free to pursue his bigger dreams, as opposed to the grunt work of grass roots organizing.

  19. Rod Stern

    That addresses neither of my questions. Perhaps sometime when alcohol isn’t in the mix?

  20. Peter Gemma

    Yes we do wish them well. We are not opposing CCTUC. Not bad in theory, but in fact not possible with the people involved. The CP does not think it’s a wise to work with characters who have actively opposed the CP for many years. You go your way and we’ll go ours.

  21. Rod Stern

    I don’t grasp your logic. The purpose of CTUCC is to unite you with the people you don’t want to be united with, so by definition you oppose their purpose. Thus I don’t see how you could wish them well in achieving a goal you oppose.

  22. Rod Stern

    Cody, so what’s your reply to this:

    “He had to know even before he got there: it was clear that he was supposed to organize the youth operation by the simple requirements of by-laws etc. What’s an “organization” without them? He had no come back: no active chapters, website, etc. Nada. All he had to show – posted on this website – is his disdain for the CP because they won’t do what HE and a few others think is good political business.”

    ?

  23. Cody Quirk

    “Hello? He had to know even before he got there: it was clear that he was supposed to organize the youth operation by the simple requirements of by-laws etc.”

    Josh knew about that matter coming up, but not about dissolving the youth group completely and especially not about the resolution on the CCTUC and didn’t find out about the actions you guys took until much much later while you intentionally played him like a sucker until he had to find out what happened on his own.
    Obviously you’re well versed in the GOP’s playbook.

    “What’s an “organization” without them? He had no come back: no active chapters, website, etc.”

    While he can speak for himself on that, as I’m sure he’ll comment some more on here later on, he was still organizing it and had several potential contacts and would-be chapter leaders interested by the time you did what you did. And you guys didn’t even take into consideration that he has a lot on his plate with college classes, the Free & Equal organization that he’s involved in, as well as being the Vice Chair of the Constitution Party of Louisiana? Did that factor in at all before you dropped him right when he was getting his feet off the ground with the young constitutionalists?
    And yet, at the same time, you did nothing when Don Grundmann was constantly shooting his mouth off on IPR making the CP look bad and falsely claiming he was still the California CP State Chairman (and also still having him listed as the CP contact person for Cali. too) until I brought his antics to the attention of Frank Fluckiger and had to solve the situation with him on my own here after Frank confirmed he wasn’t the State Chair anymore

    My God! What the hell is wrong with you people?!

    “Nada. All he had to show – posted on this website – is his disdain for the CP because they won’t do what HE and a few others think is good political business. They are welcome to their opinions, but the CP thought it best to set him free to pursue his bigger dreams, as opposed to the grunt work of grass roots organizing.”

    Ah, so basically his approach and ideas for growing the party was just a tad’ too extreme for you guys and your unproductive status quo you have going in the CP? Never mind he’s been more then active in the gruntwork of grass roots organizing with both Free & Equal and in Ron Paul’s 2012 campaign.

    But indeed you set him ‘free’, alright… Interesting choice of words.

  24. Mark Seidenberg

    Peter German

    You seem to be a person in the know, Please post

    the by-laws of the Constituion Party of California
    as created circa 2010. I am interested in the
    date and location of that 2010 Convention.
    Frank Flucking informed me the first convention
    was the Bakerfield, CA in January, 2013. Yet that could not be the date because it need to be
    circa 2010.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  25. Trent Hill

    “Rod, obviously he has a lot on his plate right now that he can’t cross every ‘T’ on schedule, and to throw him under the bus over a ridiculous deadline is quite reprehensible.”

    He chose not to. Writing bylaws or a constitution doesn’t take long. In the time he was commenting here or spamming local Ron Paul boards about Robby Wells, he could’ve been writing them. Or, Randy Stufflebeam could’ve written them, alternatively.

    “And you guys didn’t even take into consideration that he has a lot on his plate with college classes, the Free & Equal organization that he’s involved in, as well as being the Vice Chair of the Constitution Party of Louisiana?”

    So he over-extended himself–for the record, I can’t see that he’s done anything much as the Vice Chairman of the CP of LA. No website that I can find, no real uptick in registrations, no influx of candidates, etc? If he has indeed over-extended himself, then this should serve as a welcome break.

    And he was not very heavily involved in the RP2012 campaign, I assure you. I was at the state office, not far from him in Baton Rouge, all the time. Not only did I never see him, I never even saw his name in emails, literature, or strategy sessions. So….

    The truth is, there was no organization to disband. No bylaws, no constitution, no website, no membership, no groups on campus. He just lost his cute title.

  26. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    In Post 29 you are suggesting if I understand you
    Peter Gemma is a user of a GOP PLaybook. Why
    do you think he is GOP operative?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  27. Mark Seidenberg

    Trent Hill

    You state that the truth is, there is no organization of Young Constitutionalist.

    How can I confirm that?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  28. Cody Quirk

    “Yes we do wish them well. We are not opposing CCTUC. Not bad in theory, but in fact not possible with the people involved. The CP does not think it’s a wise to work with characters who have actively opposed the CP for many years. You go your way and we’ll go ours.”

    That kind of mindset, I could understand and respect- even if I didn’t agree with it, especially since the CCTUC had already mended a lot of old wounds and rivalries beforehand. And if the vote on these matters were conducted fairly, then we would have gracefully accepted defeat and respected the results of the Baltimore meeting and simply tried to present our case next time and hoped for a better result.

    But we’re not going to accept the results at all, not after you guys played dirty and indirectly suppressed Joshua’s chance to speak out by playing him like a fool.

    And now there’s going to be a whirlwind to reap after the stunts you guys pulled.

  29. Rod Stern

    You really think if he spoke it would have changed a majority of people’s views?

  30. Cody Quirk

    Mr. Gemma is a member of the Executive Committee of a national political party; it should be common sense for him or those national leaders, or PR representatives, to speak out or respond to any serious or controversial matters either in order to rebut the other side, or explain the hot button issue or subject in a way that protects the party’s image, or makes the party look sympathetic to the ill-informed general public.
    Peter isn’t doing a great job for those whom played dirty, and responding to these matters doing ‘happy hour’, also isn’t helping either.

  31. Cody Quirk

    And off of the subject, and speaking as the CCTUC National Chair in this comment- the CCTUC is still going to have it’s second meeting with the leaders of the constitutionalist parties next month on the 11th as already scheduled, regardless.
    And if the leaders of the Constitution Party still want to attend this meeting and contribute in a positive manner to its agenda, then they’re more then welcome.

  32. Joshua Fauver

    Well Trent you see that is funny that I must not have been too involved with the Ron Paul campaign, I talked with Heather Hand, Matt Cipelowski, and even had Pete Chamberlain come down to do a campaign kickoff meeting in my hometown. I was on more conference calls about the Louisiana primary and caucus than I can remember. I even talked with Gary White on several occasions being I am in district five, and he was in Monroe. So any time you want to drop this “I know it all.” act you put on from the comfort of behind your keyboard, feel free to sir. We’d all really appreciate it.

  33. Trent Hill

    “But we’re not going to accept the results at all, not after you guys played dirty and indirectly suppressed Joshua’s chance to speak out by playing him like a fool.”

    You mean by letting him sleep?

  34. Trent Hill

    Josh–it wasn’t intended as much of a slight. You were in high school. The fact that you know the names of Ms. Hand, my good friend Matt, and Pete doesn’t really prove anything. I’m sure you did talk to the District Five Chairman a few times, and I’m sure you were involved, my point was that you were not “heavily involved” or central to the grassroots operation.

  35. Joshua Fauver

    Well Trent, I was in charge of the efforts in my parish, (concordia Parish) I may not have been in Baton Rouge everyday, but I was as involved as I could be. As far as grassroots, I don’t know what you mean by that. I canvassed every house from Vidalia to Ferriday Louisiana. I phone banked for hours and hours. I was involved as I possibly could be. I apologize that I couldn’t make it to Baton Rouge on a daily basis. Like you said I was in High School. It isn’t that I know the names. Those were people I talked to regularly. In fact, Mr. Chamberlain came down to assist in our “Campaign Kickoff meeting.” But I’m curious as to what pleasure you get out of trying to discredit anyone who has a different point of view than you do. Are you so insecure? If so, I feel awfully sorry for you. You can’t refute my account of the events that transpired in Baltimore, so you attack my affiliation with Robby Wells, then suggest that I wasn’t really involved with the Ron Paul campaign in Louisiana, and say well I didn’t see his name on E-mails so he wasn’t involved. You’re sad Trent, sad.

  36. Mark Seidenberg

    Peter Gemma

    I would like to understand the current status of
    the Constitution Party of California and who runs
    it.

    I would also desire to read their by-laws and know the name of the manual rules of order
    used by that California State Political Body.

    Would you please post that information or direct
    me where I can read this information on line.

    Frank Fluckiger informed me of the events in
    Bakerfield, CA with the new leadership of Mr.
    Johnson a prior state chairman of the AIP of
    CA from January, 2013.

    Yet Don “Three Dates” Grundmann got the Secretary of State of California on February 10,
    2013 to recognized him as the Chairman of the
    Constitution Party of California.

    Two days ago I received an enquiry from one of the supervisors with the Election Division at the
    California Secretary of State over the status of the
    “dispute” between Dr. Don Grundmann and Mr.
    N Johnson, because I was the former Chairman
    of the AIP and he knew that I know both Mr. Johnson and Dr. Grundmann.

    I did not give a comment to him, because I did not what to give Debra Bowen my personal view
    of what I thought of the dispute of another political entity.

    Secretary Debra Bowen takes the view that Dr. Don Grundmann is contact for the “Political Body” Constitutional Party of California in a
    published report dated February 10. 2013.

    The Constitution Party of California has a current
    electorate of 304, with currently 2 electors in my
    county, viz. Orange County, California.

    To better understand how organized the Constitution Party of California is, compare
    its Orange County registration to another Political Body registration in Orange County Lets look at the “We Like Women Political
    Party” Headed by Mahgun Eric Thorson of
    Tustin,, CA. It has 300 electors in Orange
    County, California alone. This is compared to the 2 electors for the Constitution Party of
    California in Orange County, CA.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Chairman of the
    Orange County Central Committee of the American Independent Party of California

    lifornia

    electors in the Constitui

  37. Andy

    How about this current situation with the Constitution Party? There were several petition circulators who worked on petition drives to get the Virgil Goode / James Clymer ticket on the ballot in several states who got ripped off on their final pay. The last of these petition drives ended on September 6th. It is now April 26th and those of us who are still owed money still have not been paid. How much longer do we have to wait for the money owed?

  38. Andy

    Cody Quirk said: “However, others in the CP are really pissed off about what happened and political retaliation is coming.”

    I’m really pissed off about the non-payment for work done.

  39. Citizen1

    I do not think that the Young Constitutionalists is a completely dead item. The affiliation as an official entity of the CP was contingent on the bylaws. I believe that it will be back but that to be considered by the executive committee that the bylaws will have to be written in advance.

  40. Cody Quirk

    #45 & 46 – don’t know anything about that, so I can’t answer it.

    # 47… That will depend on what the future holds.

  41. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    I was at the CA Department of State this morning. I am formed again Grundmann is
    the Chairman of the Constitution Party of California.
    Currently, I am on a train going to Bakersfield,
    CA

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg.

  42. Rod Stern

    Seidenberg,

    Why do you care?

    Quirk,

    This is proof that Seidenberg’s interest in unity with the CP is bogus.

  43. Mark Seidenberg

    Rod Stern

    I have no intention in joining the Constitution Party of California under the leadership of
    Dr. Don “Three Dates” Grundmann.

    The purpose of my inquiry relaates to a trial
    of Dr. Grundmann. That is why I invested in
    a copy of Demeters Manuel for the conducting
    of the trial of Dr. Don Grundmann.

    It is a violation of the California Election Code
    for the American Independent Party of California to conduct
    a fusion ticket with either the Constitution Party
    under the leadership of N. Johnson or the Constitution Party of California under the leadership of Dr. Don Grundmann.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

    P.S. What point is there in having an outreach with thevtwo electors registered in the Constitution Party of California under the chairmanship of Dr. Don Grundman!?

  44. Rod Stern

    I never said, or imagined, that you want to join them or run on a fusion ticket with them.

    How does messing with them help you get a “trial” of Grundmann, and shouldn’t you leave trials to professionals (prosecutors, professional evaluation committees, mental health workers, and so on)? What kind of trial are you talking about?

  45. Rod Stern

    @55 Makes sense. Not telling him what happened all day after he got there? Not so much.

  46. Don Grundmann

    Peter Gemma – May I have your e-mail address so that I may send you some correspondence?

    My own e-mail is STOPtheIRS@hotmail.com or you may reach me at my cell of 510-7600968 if you wish.

    Best to you,

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Founder Constitution Party of California

  47. Rob Banks

    “…so that I may send you some correspondence?”

    You mean spam and threats?

  48. Mark Seidenberg

    Rod Stern

    I was selected by the State Central Committee to be one of the “managers” for the trial of Don Grundmann.

    The American Independent Party uses DEMETER’S MANUEL OF PARIAMENTARY
    LAW AND PROCEDURES FOR THE LEGAL
    CONDUCT OF BUSINESS IN ALL DELIBERATIVE ASSEMBLES to conduct
    trials.

    I did contact a professor of law at a “real” law
    school to be the administrative officer to conduct
    said trial. He was a registered California elector
    in the American Independent Party of California.

    I not the word “real”, because Dr. Don Grundmann claim to be a “dean” of some law school in his own mind.

    Patrick Colglazier was also a selected “Manager
    for the Trial of Don Grundmann”. He was selected because he was the Chairman of the
    Alameda County Central Committee of the
    American Independent Party. Mr. Colglazier was
    very helpful, because he was informed of Dr.
    Grundmann’s past, back to the day’s Dr. Grundmann was in high school.

    Mr. Colglazier has served as the Parliamentarian
    of the American Independent Party of California.

    It is my suggestion that the Constitution Party
    might want to conduct there own trial of Dr.
    Grundmann. If the CP makes a formal request
    to Chairman Wiley Drake, I will recommend
    to the State Central Committee to share the outcome of the trial with them.

    My background, in College I took a class in
    Parliamentary Law one semester back in 1968.
    Therefore, I excepted the office of “Manager
    of the trial of Don Grundmann”.

    The trial will be conducted based on California
    Election Code Part 4. This was the proceedures
    that William Shearer wrote. The State Central
    Committee “designated Demeter’s Manuel” for
    the conduct of said trial.

    Dr. Grundmann has held no office with the American Independent Party of California of
    California since, September 2, 2008. It is a
    concern that Dr. Grundmann may try to run
    of the County Central Committee of Alameda
    County or some other California County in 2014.
    Therefore, if he is convicted, he may not be able
    to take office based on the outcome of that trial.

    The last time that Dr. Grundmann was a delegate
    to a convention of the AIP was in 2008 in Sacramento, CA He walked out of that convention, so the Convention nominated Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes by acclamation.

    Therefore, being informed of Don Grundmann’s
    personal view of Dr. Alan Keyes, his leaving that
    2008 AIP Convention caused Dr. Keyes to get 100 % of the votes for POTUS.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party of California

    P.S. Because of the out come of the trial that
    Charles Deemer filed, Dr. Don Grundmann
    can hold office as Chairman of the Constitution
    Party of California forever. This is because the
    deadlines of 154 days and 135 days before the
    primary election in 2014 went away.

    My guess is the electors in the California CP
    do not know Don Grundmann. Otherwise the
    California electorate of the CP would be lots lower than its current levels.

    To: Ron Banks at post 58.

    Will Peter Gemma become Don “Three Dates”
    Grundmann internet “pen” pal!? Don Grundmann might start telling him all the thing
    he can do with his “trained lethal hands”. I over
    heard Grundmann inform Mary Robinson, wife
    of former AIP Chairman, Markham Robinson, that he his hands are “lethal because
    of his training and he could brake her in two.”

  49. Don Grundmann

    Mark @ #59 –

    A) As usual you are a total liar. I told Mary that she was just as corrupt as her husband and you are. She is/was an enabler for your fellow Enemy of Humanity. She will go to the same ” hot spot ” that you and Robinson already have 1st class tickets for.

    B) I will be glad to attend your ” trial.” After all, Mr. Lawyer, am I not allowed to confront my accusers? I will be happy to confront the entire collection of you ultra corrupt freaks and traitors.

    You can tell Drake, Colglazier, and any of your associated cowards that I will expect them all to be there. We will tape it and put it ALL on YouTube for all to see.

    You can invite your friend and fellow betrayer Cody Twerp to attend.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. 1st Chairman and Founder of the Constitution Party of California; the true conservative/constitutional party on California

    P.S. – Of course a ” trial ” would require a jury of my peers – an impossible task for you rodents since you are all ultra corrupt degenerates.

  50. Trent Hill

    “Well Trent, I was in charge of the efforts in my parish, (concordia Parish) I may not have been in Baton Rouge everyday, but I was as involved as I could be. As far as grassroots, I don’t know what you mean by that. I canvassed every house from Vidalia to Ferriday Louisiana. I phone banked for hours and hours. I was involved as I possibly could be. I apologize that I couldn’t make it to Baton Rouge on a daily basis. Like you said I was in High School. It isn’t that I know the names. Those were people I talked to regularly. In fact, Mr. Chamberlain came down to assist in our “Campaign Kickoff meeting.” But I’m curious as to what pleasure you get out of trying to discredit anyone who has a different point of view than you do. Are you so insecure? If so, I feel awfully sorry for you. You can’t refute my account of the events that transpired in Baltimore, so you attack my affiliation with Robby Wells, then suggest that I wasn’t really involved with the Ron Paul campaign in Louisiana, and say well I didn’t see his name on E-mails so he wasn’t involved. You’re sad Trent, sad.”

    If you see the latest comment from the National Chairman of the CP–he says I refuted what you say happened in Baltimore pretty effectively. So, I’ll take that.

    As for Louisiana, as I said, Im sure you WERE involved. I said you were not “heavily involved”. That remains accurate.

  51. Rod Stern

    Reprise from elsewhere:

    1) In light of clarifying statements from Frank Fluckiger and Randy Stufflebeam providing additional information I did not have before, I am more favorably inclined to view their actions in Baltimore, e.g., see @19 and @56.

    2) Regarding the “trial” of Grundmann – political party “trials” sound a bit too Stalinist/Orwellian for my taste. Grundmann may, however, need a trial of a different sort.

  52. Rod Stern

    …Maybe an actual court trial if he follows through on some of his threats, or maybe a psychiatric trial to see whether he should be confined as an inpatient.

  53. Cody Quirk

    Don, its good to see that you’re being up front about your position, or former position, with the California CP.

    And if you send me any more of those wonderful emails, I will certainly share them with the San Leandro Police Department as well.

    I MEAN IT

  54. John Macy

    The longer you wait, the higher the chances he will act on his threats. I would share them now, not wait for more.

  55. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    Did Dr. Don Grundmann inform you about certain thing he can do with his body parts,
    viz., “his hands”, because of his “training”?

    I was present when he followed Mary Robinson
    from the Courthouse in Fairfield, CA and down
    the street for over a block after the hearing of
    KING vs. ROBINSON.

    I am also informed by Mr. Hill of the middle
    of the night phone calls from Don Grundmann
    to Grace Hill.

    I agree with John Macy, however, I would state
    with your local police department in Nevada,
    because you do not know where Dr. Don Grundmann is contacting you from. Also, I was
    informed that Dr. Grundmann had family near
    Fairfield, CA at that time of his following Mary
    Robinson out of the Courthouse in Fairfield.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  56. John Macy

    You should also post the emails here as public evidence. Both in case something happens as well as just to expose Grundmann.

  57. Not Bob

    Baltimore, Maryland???? Our lord John Waters lives there with his cult and several wives… oh wait or is that Adi Da????

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