Punk Patriot: ‘Why the Green Party? Or: Capitalism is the Opposite of Democracy’

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  1. Krzysztof Lesiak

    I think I’m ready to say the LP is my favorite party.

    But if I had to pick between, say, the Constitution Party and Green Party, I’d go with the CP every time. The Green’s promotion of socialist economics discredits them in my book. In fact, I’d vote for a Republican over a Green. That’s probably a very controversial thing to say on IPR… but I’m just not a big fan of the Greens.

    Then again, I voted for Ralph Nader in 2008 (should’ve gone for Baldwin but I was actually somewhat of a liberal back then). My dad voted for Cynthia McKinney, who I also like a lot.

  2. Oranje Mike

    Ugh…government sucks. This is something that Greens and liberals simply fail to grasp. Taxation is theft. It is force. It is violence.

  3. johnO

    I wonder how Green Party Rep. Fred Smith is voting in Arkansas? He is the only Green in any state house that I’m aware of.

  4. Shave the Whales!

    I would guess most likely he is voting like a Democrat, since that’s what he was until he lost his office due to a scandal – he ran as a Green when the next Democrat was also in a scandal.

  5. upstartgreen

    TY IPR for making this available on your web site. In a few years climate change will be turning the above detractors into Green True Believers.

  6. paulie Post author

    Acknowledging a climate destabilization problem doesn’t automatically mean supporting a monopoly regime solution.

  7. Andy

    “Krzysztof Lesiak // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    I think I’m ready to say the LP is my favorite party.”

    I’ve been saying this since 1996.

    “But if I had to pick between, say, the Constitution Party and Green Party, I’d go with the CP every time. ”

    I’d pick the Constitution Party most of the time over the Green Party, as their are some occasions where the Greens get it right and the Constitution Party does not, but yeah, I generally favor the Constitution Party, because at least they are based on a document which puts limits on government power.

  8. Andy

    Krzysztof Lesiak: “In fact, I’d vote for a Republican over a Green. That’s probably a very controversial thing to say on IPR… but I’m just not a big fan of the Greens. ”

    I’d say that overall, Republicans are worse than Greens. Sure, Republicans may mouth free market rhetoric sometimes, but they usually end up betraying it, and when a lot of them say free market, they don’t really mean free market, they are corporatist, which is not quite the same thing. Republicans talk about gun rights, but there are numerous example of them selling out on that issue as well. Republicans also tend to be warmonger and police state lovers.

    Sure, the Greens have a lot of goofy, socialist ideas, but at least they are honest about it, unlike the Republican Party. The Greens are also better on a lot of civil liberties issues and on foreign policy, as compared to the Republican Party (minus the Ron Paul type of Republicans of course).

  9. Andy

    Free market capitalism is the ultimate form of democracy, because every individual gets to decide for themselves how to spend their own money. They get to “vote” with their own dollars.

  10. paulie Post author

    I’d pick the Constitution Party most of the time over the Green Party

    I’d pick the Greens since I think social issues are very important, and because the CP is willing to nominate presidential candidates that are not very good on foreign policy as well, unlike the Greens.

    Free market capitalism

    Free market =/= capitalism.

  11. Oranje Mike

    #7, How will climate change sway my beliefs on tyrannical government? Climate change can be altered without government thieves implementing their economic phantasies at the barrel of a gun.

  12. Andy

    “paulie // Apr 2, 2013 at 6:14 am

    ‘I’d pick the Constitution Party most of the time over the Green Party’

    I’d pick the Greens since I think social issues are very important, and because the CP is willing to nominate presidential candidates that are not very good on foreign policy as well, unlike the Greens. ”

    Well, as I pointed out in another thread, this is not valid, because the Greens socialist stances actually DO effect civil liberties, also, the Greens are not good across the board on civil liberties, and there are some civil liberties issues where the Constitution Party is as good or better.

    Also, Virgil Goode has about as much to do with the Constitution Party as Bob Barr and Wayne Root have to do with the Libertarian Party. I would not base either party on any of them.

    Furthermore, Goode actually said that he had changed on the issue of the war in Iraq at their National Convention in Nashville, TN when he got nominated. He may have just said this to get elected, and I’d be willing to bet a lot of the people at their convention voted for him for the same reason that people at the LP’s 2008 National Convention voted for Bob Barr, and that was that they mistakenly believed that nominating a former member of Congress would equal a lot more votes. Both were wrong.

  13. Shave the Whales!

    Howard Phillips…not exactly non-interventionist either. And it’s clear that the Greens are better on many social issues, and more unanimous on the peace issue than the CP.

  14. Shave the Whales!

    They are a tiny minority in the Republican Party, and I bet it’s going to stay that way too.

  15. Andy

    “Shave the Whales! // Apr 2, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Howard Phillips…not exactly non-interventionist either. And it’s clear that the Greens are better on many social issues, and more unanimous on the peace issue than the CP.”

    I recall Howard Phillips being pretty non-interventionist.

    There are Greens who are not so perfect on the issue of non-intervention on foreign affairs as well. Some of them support the United Nations.

  16. Andy

    “17 Krzysztof Lesiak // Apr 2, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Yeah, I was referring to Ron Paul Republicans.

    The only Republicans I’d really support are those identified with the Liberty Movement.”

    I support “Ron Paul style Republicans” as well, but they are a minority within the Republican Party.

    I was talking about the majority if the Republican Party, as in mainstream and/or establishment Republicans. I consider these people to be worse than Greens.

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