Joshua Fauver: The Constitution Party’s Disturbing Ties With the White Supremacy Movement

For a long time now we have all been aware of some of the more fringe figures of the Constitution Party. We all know of Don Grundmann, Don Stone, and Riley Hood. We are all well versed in the party’s stance on gay marriage, and are familiar with the extremes to which the previously mentioned individuals have taken it. We are even aware of their deep felt hatred toward the followers of the Islam faith. (see here) We had all safely assumed that these were the worst the constitution party had to offer, and their opinions on matters of homosexuality and Islam were the worst things about the Constitution Party. That was until recent events.

For the past several months I’ve been following what has been nothing short of a very interesting development within the Constitution Party. In early November a Mr. Michael Turner was added to the Constitution Party Candidates group page on Facebook and warmly welcomed by Constitution Party activist Donna Ivanovich (Communications Director for the Constitution Party of Missouri)

Almost immediately after being added to the group Mr. Turner started posting articles that some would not expect to find in a Constitution Party Candidate’s group page.

So by now you may be asking, “What could possibly have been posted in their group page that is worse than the things espoused by Grundmann, Stone, and Hood?” Well, I’ll show you what. The following is a screenshot of an article posted in the group page by Michael Turner:

I’m sure the first thing you noticed was the title of the article posted, “White Information Network (WIN): ENGLISH Crooked, Racist black cop allowed to merely resign.” Odd to say the least, right? Did you happen, however, to notice the url? “news4whites.blogspot.com” Here we see White Information Network, and news4whites. More interesting than the article itself is the blog whose article it comes from. The author of the piece is a gentleman by the name of Michael Weaver.

Just who is this Michael Weaver character? (see here) Michael Weaver is a “White Nationalist Activist” from Columbus Georgia and former member of the National Alliance, having received their 2008 “Activist of the Year” award. (For those who are unaware, the National Alliance was a “white nationalist, anti-Semitic, and white separatists political organization.” They ceased to operate as a membership organization in 2013.)
Weaver came into fame, if you will, for distributing nearly 100,000 fliers and pamphlets in the Columbus area that attacked illegal immigration, affirmative action, and Jewish influence in the Mainstream Media. Weaver would later be arrested for committing a hate crime and was sentenced to two years in prison and banished from the Columbus metropolitan area for an additional 9.

Knowing now who Weaver is, and looking back at the name of his blog, he hardly seems like the character whose writing you would find in a Constitution Party Candidate’s group page. Surely this was just a one-time occurrence right? If it was I certainly wouldn’t take time out of my day to write about it. Mr. Turner would go on to post three more articles in the group page that were either by or about Michael Weaver.

Let’s take a look at some of the other photos posted in the group page by Mr. Turner. One of particular interest even got a “like” from Constitution Party activist Michael Berotcchi.

Now Council of Conservative Citizens seems innocent enough at first glance. In fact, it even sounds like a group you’d expect the Constitution Party to be fond of; that is until you take a look at their Statement of Principles. Right near the top, number two in fact, says this.

“We believe that the United States derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character. We therefore oppose the massive immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples into the United States that threatens to transform our nation into a non-European majority in our lifetime. We believe that illegal immigration must be stopped, if necessary by military force and placing troops on our national borders; that illegal aliens must be returned to their own countries; and that legal immigration must be severely restricted or halted through appropriate changes in our laws and policies. We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called “affirmative action” and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races.”

But it doesn’t stop there, no no no, it goes on. Their sixth principles says the following,

“We believe in the traditional family as the basic unit of human society and morality, and we oppose all efforts by the state and other powers to weaken the structure of the American family through toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other perversions, mixture of the races, pornography in all forms, and subversion of the authority of parents.” (see here.)

The Council of Conservative Citizens is nothing more than a white supremacists, white nationalist organization operating under the guise of being a conservative organization. Looking at its principles, it hardly seems like an organization we would expect the Constitution Party to be affiliated with in any way, shape, or form.

For the sake of your time I won’t go into further details about the other articles posted by Mr. Turner and two other gentleman, suffice it to say they promote fascism and the Aryan race.

Rest assured that I haven’t wasted all this time to ramble on solely about things posted in some Constitution Party group page. You see, this isn’t the only odd connection the Constitution Party has with white supremacy movements. After stumbling across the various pro-white posts in the group page, I started searching for other ties the Constitution Party might have to white nationalists groups, and low and behold I found some. On one such instance I found a post in Storm Front, a white supremacists forum (here) in which a poster asks fellow supremacists which party he should vote for, the Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party in the 2012 Presidential election. The majority chose the Constitution Party. While that is saying something, it doesn’t necessarily make the party guilty of being white supremacists, I know. But don’t worry, it gets better.

It was by stumbling onto this post on Storm Front that I found another. There was a certain gentleman posting in the forum under the name of “Patriotic Activist.” This gentleman turned out to be a Mr. John Ubele, a Constitution Party candidate for the Florida State Legislature in 2008. (You can find a piece about Mr. Ubele here, a critique of his blogs here, and proof of his run as a C.P candidate here.)

Mr. Ubele isn’t the only white supremacists to run under the C.P banner though. No, there was one candidate of much higher notoriety who ran for office on the C.P line, a certain Michael Peroutka. Yes, Peroutka also has ties with white nationalists. Peroutka has been a long term member of the “League of the South”, who the Southern Poverty Law Center described as an “explicitly racist hate group” that “believes the ‘godly’ nation it wants to form should be run by an ‘Anglo-Celtic’ (read: white) elite that would establish a Christian theocratic state and politically dominate blacks and other minorities.” Peroutka has spoken at their national conference in 2004, 2008, and 2012. But it isn’t enough that Peroutka is just affiliated with a white nationalist movement, he’s also said some very white supremacists sounding things himself. In 2004 he wrote the following on his blog, “I am proud to be a member of the League of the South. I look forward to receiving the support … from guys with Confederate flags in their trucks.” He also appeared at a League of the South conference where he thanked them for their endorsement of his 2004 presidential campaign (again he was the Constitution Party candidate that year.) and said, “If this be hate, let’s make the most of it.” He would also go on to be a quest on the white supremacists radio show “The Political Cesspool”; The Montgomery Advertiser reported that one of the bedrock principles of the show Peroutka appeared on is the need to “grow the percentages of Whites in the world relative to other races.” (As reported by The Human Right’s Campaign, and The Southern Poverty Law Center )

One other member of the Constitution Party with a history of affiliation with white supremacists is none other than the newest member of the national executive committee, Peter Gemma. Gemma was the head of design, marketing, and advertising for the aforementioned Council of Conservative Citizens as well as the media coordinator for their capital region. In 2000 Peter appeared with David Duke and Don Black (both former leaders of the Ku Klux Klan) at an event meant to raise money for the fascist, whites-only British National Party. He is a member of Florida’s ResistNET Tea Party, along with White Revolution founder Billy Roper. Also, much like Peroutka he appeared on the radio show “The Political Cesspool.” (as reported by The Southern Poverty Law Center.)

Much like me, this probably came as a bit of a shock to you. I certainly had no inclination that the Constitution Party was affiliated with so many various white nationalist organizations, nor did I know that various figures in the party had deep and longtime affiliations with these groups. But knowing what I do now I have to question Howard Phillip’s last minute speech at the 2008 Constitution Party national convention in which he railed against Alan Keyes, who was reported to be a close friend of Howard’s. Were his last second remarks, that many believe cost Keyes the nomination, motivated by Keyes’ race? Knowing all we do now, that certainly has to be a possibility and even a plausibility. It is perfectly conceivable that the reason that Keyes lost the nomination was because of an attitude of white superiority.

234 thoughts on “Joshua Fauver: The Constitution Party’s Disturbing Ties With the White Supremacy Movement

  1. Jed Ziggler Post author

    This is something I’ve suspected for a while now & I’m very grateful to Joshua for laying it all out. Any political movement is going to have its share of fringe nuts, but the CP is overrun with them.

  2. Andy

    ” But knowing what I do now I have to question Howard Phillip’s last minute speech at the 2008 Constitution Party national convention in which he railed against Alan Keyes, who was reported to be a close friend of Howard’s. Were his last second remarks, that many believe cost Keyes the nomination, motivated by Keyes’ race? Knowing all we do now, that certainly has to be a possibility and even a plausibility. It is perfectly conceivable that the reason that Keyes lost the nomination was because of an attitude of white superiority.”

    It could also be the Alan Keyes lost the nomination due to his support for the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the United Nations, all of which go against the Constitution Party’s platform.

  3. Austin

    Ubele was an NPA candidate for state house in 2008, he did not appear with the Constitution Party label. The stuff about Peroutka was mildly interesting, but the whole “facebook posts in an unofficial facebook group” stuff is an extreme reach.

  4. Joshua Fauver

    This was an e-mail from Mr. Ubele to Franklin Perez, a NPA candidate with a Libertarian Platform:

    “Hello Mr. Perez,

    My name is John Ubele and I’m running for a seat in the Florida House of Reps as you are. I had come across your candidate link on the DoE site and I saw that you’re a Libertarian. I was wondering, did you try to get the Libertarian party’s endorsement? I think you’ll get a lot more traction if you did.

    I’m running as a Constitution Party candidate for District 46. My main reason in contacting you was to tell you about a $300 auto dialer, which makes about 600 calls per day.

    Let me know if you’d like some more information on it. Take care and keep in touch.

    Sincerely,
    John Ubele
    Constitution Candidate for Florida House of Representatives District 46”

  5. Austin

    That’s nice, but he was on the ballot as “No Party Affiliation” — not as the Constitution Party nominee.

  6. Joshua Fauver

    Not that I don’t take your word for it,but could you provide a citation for your claim?

  7. William Saturn

    Did you know Mr. Joshua Fauver worked for Robby Wells, who is now running for the Democratic Party presidential nomination? Using the same logic employed in this article, I assume that Mr. Joshua supports the policies of the Democratic Party, which once included support for racial segregation and slavery! Does Mr. Joshua support racial segregation and slavery?

  8. Joshua Fauver

    Ah, but you see when I worked for Robby Wells he was an Independent candidate who had once ran for the C.P nomination and recently spoken at Paul fest and was surrounded by people like Barbie Dunn and Minister Derrick Grayson. Also, William, you’d do well to recall that when I found out for myself the truth about Wells I resigned from his campaign and published my findings here at IPR.

  9. William Saturn

    So here you are defending yourself. Did you afford those mentioned in this article the opportunity to defend themselves?

  10. Joshua Fauver

    If they wish to defend themselves they can do like I just did and come here and defend themselves. But Peroutka and Gemma have no defense I should be able to think of. They both affiliated themselves with organizations that are well known for being white supremacist organizations. For heaven’s sake Gemma went to an event in the company of David Duke! What more needs to be said? Also as far as the posts in the group page go, we are talking about 7 separate incidents where material that is white nationalist nature was posted in the group page. 7 instances where this material was posted and, to my knowledge, not deleted or commented on by whomever it is moderating that group page. If they have a defense they are free to come here and defend themselves William.

  11. William Saturn

    So I assume you contacted all the individuals mentioned in this article and notified them of this article so that they can defend themselves in comments?

  12. Austin

    This article was written strangely — you have material of some interest in regards to Mr. Peroutka and Mr. Gemma. I don’t know what to make of it, honestly.

    But you’ve buried it all deep beneath a mountain of unrelated and totally unimportant Facebook stuff. It calls into question everything you’ve written here.

  13. Cody Quirk

    Hey Will, did you bother to see this-

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/07/joshua-fauver-robby-wells-faux-of-the-liberty-movement/

    In fact I was also a supporter of Robby at the time, yet I was fooled by him as were a lot of other constitutionalists out there until Robby bolted to the Dems, and we all abandoned him afterwards; Josh was the first to see Robby for who he was, and I should’ve listened to him about Robby before Mr. Wells changed his political affiliation for the fourth time.

    So you need to do better in your criticism of Josh.

  14. Austin

    Cody, I don’t think William was actually attempting to criticize Josh for his association with Robby Wells so much as he was highlighting how easy it is to take one data point out of context — someone appearing on someone’s radio show 10 years ago — and run with it until you’ve totally distorted the truth.

  15. Joe Wendt

    Accusing a whole political party of being white supremacist is ridiculous. People do the same thing when white supremacists supported Pat Buchanan’s Presidential campaign in 1992, 1996, and 2000. Is it possible that white supremacists happen to agree with a party platform while still being ignorant bigots? Of course!!!! Every party has some uber-racist nut jobs as activists, that doesn’t mean the whole party is a bunch of racists. In fact, inferring that the CP is a racist organization is somewhat libelous, especially inferring Howard Phillips (a jew by birth) had some racial bias against Alan Keyes (a man who consistantly proves he can’t win enough votes to be effective). If I were in the CP’s leadership, I would consult a lawyer about these inflammatory accusations made by Mr Fauver, just as I would if someone made them against the LP.

  16. Cody Quirk

    BTW, yes, I did provide one of the screen shots to Josh in his research.

    Being the father of a mixed race daughter, I found the posts very disgusting and didn’t say anything because I didn’t know if I would be kicked out of the group or not, and for some reason they were not deleted for the longest time.

    I knew about some of the stuff on Peroutka before, yet I didn’t think much of it, since I don’t see him as racially prejudiced at all, yet the stuff on Peter Gemma is quite damming; I had no idea about his involvement with these groups, and especially with David Duke!

    YUCK!

  17. Cody Quirk

    “Cody, I don’t think William was actually attempting to criticize Josh for his association with Robby Wells so much as he was highlighting how easy it is to take one data point out of context — someone appearing on someone’s radio show 10 years ago — and run with it until you’ve totally distorted the truth.”

    Maybe so, yet the stuff on Peter Gemma is pretty bad- in fact I have to wonder if my efforts on unifying the various constitutionalist has largely snubbed by the CP because of prejudice?

  18. Cody Quirk

    “If I were in the CP’s leadership, I would consult a lawyer about these inflammatory accusations made by Mr Fauver, just as I would if someone made them against the LP.”

    We have a thing called “freedom of speech”, and since the accusations that Josh has made are not baseless- but are substantiated by the URL links to these websites which also provide evidence to these allegations- it would be downright difficult to sue Josh for defamation.

  19. paulie

    I clicked on the link in the article above that says it proves that Ubele ran as a CP candidate

    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SemCountyLibs/conversations/topics/1307

    and it doesn’t even mention it. Another link to a blog criticizing Ubele says he was a CP candidate but provides no source for the claim. So far, Austin’s link seems to be more authoritative that he was an independent (NPA = no party affiliation) candidate.

    Supposing that he had been a CP candidate, it’s very easy for a small party with few resources to miss some facts about someone who wants to run under their banner when evaluating an application to run. Or perhaps he self-identified as CP at some point (I haven’t even seen evidence of that yet, however) and was rejected by the party? Dunno.

  20. Jed Ziggler Post author

    Mr. Wendt’s comments brilliantly illustrate why I will never, ever write an original article for IPR. The moment anybody says anything even remotely controversial, somebody wants to make a big stink about it & threaten lawsuits and the like. Unbelievable.

    Once again Josh, I commend you for writing this article, but you’re a braver man than I.

  21. Cody Quirk

    Paulie, you have to click on the message history of the first post and scroll down; I found the message Josh is talking about.

  22. Cody Quirk

    You don’t see this?

    ___________________________________________________________________

    Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:23:02 -0800
    From: john_ubele@…
    Subject: Your Candidacy
    To: perezfranklin@…

    Hello Mr. Perez,

    My name is John Ubele and I’m running for a seat in the Florida House of Reps as you are. I had come across your candidate link on the DoE site and I saw that you’re a Libertarian. I was wondering, did you try to get the Libertarian party’s endorsement? I think you’ll get a lot more traction if you did.

    I’m running as a Constitution Party candidate for District 46. My main reason in contacting you was to tell you about a $300 auto dialer, which makes about 600 calls per day.

    Let me know if you’d like some more information on it. Take care and keep in touch.

    Sincerely,
    John Ubele
    Constitution Candidate for Florida House of Representatives District 46
    http://www.voteubele.com
    john@…

  23. paulie

    The stuff about the facebook group is pretty weak. I manage or co-manage a bunch of facebook groups and it is often hard to keep up with all the posts. Most facebook groups are very loosely moderated or not at all. People have busy lives and other things to do besides monitor facebook groups and delete off-topic or potentially offensive posts. The fact that he got a welcome message (pretty standard for facebook groups to welcome new members) and that one of his posts got one like from somebody who is an “activist” in the CP for a post that, unless you do further research, just appears to be about conservatives holding a rally at a capitol somewhere…that’s pretty weak evidence.

  24. paulie

    You don’t see this?

    Nope, did not see it. But I’ll take your word that he self-identified as a CP candidate. That does not mean the party accepted him, and I have yet to see any evidence that he was actually on the ballot as a CP candidate. In fact, the only evidence from a government agency I have seen so far is that he was on the ballot as an NPA candidate. So my best guess is that the party rejected his application to run as a CP candidate. or drove him away somehow.

  25. paulie

    I do see now where he self-identifies as CP, but have yet to see where the CP claims him as one of their own; got anything on that?

  26. paulie

    Mr. Wendt’s comments brilliantly illustrate why I will never, ever write an original article for IPR. The moment anybody says anything even remotely controversial, somebody wants to make a big stink about it & threaten lawsuits and the like. Unbelievable.

    The lawsuit threats are empty, but criticism is a legitimate part both of writing original material and forwarding/reposting other people’s work. I also commend Joshua for doing original research, but that does not mean we should refrain from criticizing his results and conclusions. Indeed, peer review is the whole point of interactive media like this for me. When I post something I expect and welcome criticism and know that some of it will be warranted and some will be ridiculous. There have been more than a few times when people have pointed out error I made and where I fixed the articles as a result of their criticism. I’ve also found errors in many articles posted by others, some of which were fixed.

  27. Cody Quirk

    I still think his accusations have merit; while the CP isn’t a white supremacist party, nor are the majority of it’s members white supremacists or even have ties to that movement, yet it still does contain links to it in some corners and inconspicuous areas.

    Plus I can’t believe that someone like Peter Gemma would associate with trash like that; I might be sympathetic to some of the right-wing populist parties in Europe, but the BNP?! That is a genuine racist party!

  28. Joshua Fauver

    I sure didn’t. You feel free to though William. Your problem with my way of doing this is noted though. (And placed in file 13.)

  29. paulie

    On one such instance I found a post in Storm Front, a white supremacists forum (here) in which a poster asks fellow supremacists which party he should vote for, the Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party in the 2012 Presidential election. The majority chose the Constitution Party.

    Why would it be surprising that Stormfronters would prefer the CP over the LP if those are their only two choices? After all the CP is closer to their position on issues like immigration and trade as well as gay rights and other social issues. I don’t see other choices offered in that poll such as the American “Freedom” Party, the various little nazi parties, voting Republican out of white solidarity because that is the choice of the largest percentage of whites, voting Democratic so as to make things as bad as possible (from their perspective) and hasten the race war, or not voting because they don’t trust the electoral system and would prefer an armed revolution now. These are all positions various different white supremacists have taken, yet I do not see them as options in the poll.

    Also, how many of them even voted in the poll at all? I only saw two comments.

  30. paulie

    I still think his accusations have merit; while the CP isn’t a white supremacist party, nor are the majority of it’s members white supremacists or even have ties to that movement, yet it still does contain links to it in some corners and inconspicuous areas.

    They may have some merit. We should examine the details of the article to determine exactly how much. I hope you agree.

  31. Joshua Fauver

    I understand though that the facebook material is weak, I won’t deny it. It’s placed in the article first because I wrote this in a chronological manner so to speak. It was those post in that group, and the administrators of the group allowing them to remain there, that lead me to doing some digging to see if there are in fact any ties between the Constitution Party and white supremacists. As it turns out there are. Ubele, Peroutka, and shockingly Peter Gemma all have ties to the white supremacy movement.

  32. paulie

    I looked at it again. It appears that seven people voted in the Stormfront poll (I assume no one voted more than once, but it’s an internet poll) – 5 for the CP and 2 for the LP. That’s a pretty small sample of white supremacists.

  33. Jed Ziggler Post author

    For me, it’s the totality of the situation. You can cherrypick this or that, but when you put it all together, it paints a pretty damning picture that the CP leaders should address.

  34. paulie

    I understand though that the facebook material is weak, I won’t deny it. It’s placed in the article first because I wrote this in a chronological manner so to speak. It was those post in that group, and the administrators of the group allowing them to remain there, that lead me to doing some digging to see if there are in fact any ties between the Constitution Party and white supremacists. As it turns out there are. Ubele, Peroutka, and shockingly Peter Gemma all have ties to the white supremacy movement.

    How you organize your articles is your business, but I would recommend leading with your strongest material rather than your weakest. People have limited attention spans, so it’s best to hook them before they lose interest. Admins not deleting facebook posts in groups with numerous members doesn’t indicate much – as I mentioned, there are many posts in various facebook groups that I admin or co-admin which I could delete but haven’t bothered to.

    Ubele does appear to be a genuine white supremacist racist, but so far the only link between him and the CP that I have seen is that he self-identified as CP in a yahoo message. However, I haven’t seen any corresponding claims by the CP that they endorse him thus far, and the only evidence from a government agency I have seen in this discussion yet indicate he was NOT on the ballot as a CP candidate.

    The stuff about Peroutka and Gemma may have more merit. I’ll examine that in a little while.

  35. William Saturn

    Mr. Joshua, why do you believe you should be given an opportunity to respond to criticisms that you are a racist Democrat based on your associations, but others should not be given the same opportunity when you accuse them of being white supremacists based on associations?

    You have a moral responsibility to alert these people to the accusations you make so that they may respond. Your failure to take such a simple step hurts your credibility.

  36. Jed Ziggler Post author

    No, no he doesn’t. We’re not professional journalists, William. It would have never occurred to me to notify people that I was writing a negative article about them, and even now that you’ve suggested it seems an incredibly stupid and pointless thing to do. If they’re bothered by it they can come here and respond.

  37. William Saturn

    It is not pointless. Failure to notify is dishonest because you are only presenting your side of the story.

  38. Joshua Fauver

    In your opinion it hurts my credibility and again I have noted. I happen to know that Frank Fluckinger is reportedly an avid read of IPR. In the past when I’ve authored articles concerning the C.P they have had people come and respond an this case is no different. If they want to respond to this article I’m sure they will. Also I don’t care if you want to be disingenuous and claim I’m a racist Democrat. First and foremost I’m not registered a Democrat, secondly after having authored this particular piece you will be hard pressed to prove I’m a racist. Thirdly, after authoring the piece I did on Wells it’s been made public here that I was a supporter of Wells and that I no longer am, and my reason for that have been made public. This piece about the Constitution was published publicly, they have the opportunity to respond if they want to. You found this article here in a public setting, as third party activists I’m sure they’ll see it. I would personally love to see their response to these claims, I think the air needs to be cleared. I think this raises questions that need to be answered.

  39. Jed Ziggler Post author

    “It is not pointless. Failure to notify is dishonest because you are only presenting your side of the story.”

    Only presenting your side of the story is sort of the point of an opinion piece.

  40. William Saturn

    The problem with your response above shows we are not discussing this on the same level. Like Cody Quirk, you are misunderstanding. I have no interest in your association with Wells. But by constantly defending yourself you are continuing to prove my point that there are at least two sides to every story. I am interested in truth. What are you interested in?

  41. William Saturn

    No. The point of an opinion piece is to give your point of view in consideration of other points of view.

  42. Joshua Fauver

    I’m also interested in the truth, which is why I wrote this article. This is a party that ran a presidential candidate in 2004 who has ties with a known white supremacy organization and who’s newest member of their national executive committee has ties with not just a white supremacy organization but some of the most well known white supremacists. This raises questions that I think need to be answered and these facts are beyond news worthy.

  43. paulie

    Let’s take Peroutka first. For starters the CP dissociated itself from Peroutka quite a while back. I think maybe 2006? I’d have to check. As far as I know they are still not reconciled. But nevertheless, it is true they did run him for president in 2004.

    So, Joshua writes:

    Peroutka has been a long term member of the “League of the South”, who the Southern Poverty Law Center described as an “explicitly racist hate group” that “believes the ‘godly’ nation it wants to form should be run by an ‘Anglo-Celtic’ (read: white) elite that would establish a Christian theocratic state and politically dominate blacks and other minorities.”

    The SPLC has accused all kinds of people of being racists, including the Mises Institute and Libertarians. They do make references to preserving what they believe to be the South’s Anglo-Celtic heritage, but for some that may be a cultural description rather than an explicitly racial one. After all, there is no denying that African-Americans have long been a large percentage of the population of the Southeast USA and still are today. The League of the South claims to be about “Heritage, not hate,” although they seem to have become more open to racist sentiment over the years. They were started right here in Tuscaloosa, Alabama back in the 1990s and I met with their founder, Michael Hill, who was then an instructor at the University I was attending. At that time he said he opposed slavery and racism, although he later called slavery a “Godly ordained institution.” Hill’s main job at the time was teaching across town at Stillman, a historically black private college.

    Peroutka has spoken at their national conference in 2004, 2008, and 2012. But it isn’t enough that Peroutka is just affiliated with a white nationalist movement,

    Is there more to Peroutka’s association with white supremacists than the League of the South, which at least used to claim not to be racist (I haven’t checked recently)?


    he’s also said some very white supremacists sounding things himself. In 2004 he wrote the following on his blog, “I am proud to be a member of the League of the South. I look forward to receiving the support … from guys with Confederate flags in their trucks.” He also appeared at a League of the South conference where he thanked them for their endorsement of his 2004 presidential campaign (again he was the Constitution Party candidate that year.) and said, “If this be hate, let’s make the most of it.”

    LotS disputes, or at least used to dispute, being white supremacist. They claim(ed) that their confederate fetish was about “heritage, not hate” and published articles that tried to prove that the war was not mainly about slavery but about trade barriers, cultural dominance and other such issues. It is possible that Peroutka is a racist; it’s also possible that he buys, or bought, into the idea that the neo-confederates are not racist and that his statement about making the most of it was ironic, ie that he believed that it is NOT hate.


    He would also go on to be a quest on the white supremacists radio show “The Political Cesspool”; The Montgomery Advertiser reported that one of the bedrock principles of the show Peroutka appeared on is the need to “grow the percentages of Whites in the world relative to other races.” (As reported by The Human Right’s Campaign, and The Southern Poverty Law Center )

    The Political Cesspool is indeed a racist radio show, but appearing as a guest on a radio show does not mean the guest has to agree with the hosts. Are there any more explicitly racist statements that Peroutka himself, rather than groups he has joined or programs he has appeared on, has made? Does he have any other ties to white supremacist organizations other than the League of the South and appearing on a radio show (since many candidates are happy to appear in ANY forum that will have them)?

    There may be something here, but it’s tenuous…as is, as far as I know, any current connection between Peroutka and the CP (I could be wrong; please let me know about any more recent links between the two).

    Gemma appears to be a more serious and direct link…I’ll examine that next.

  44. paulie

    For me, it’s the totality of the situation. You can cherrypick this or that,

    So far I’m not finding a lot of fire behind the smoke. That doesn’t mean that there is none, but the presence of a lot of smoke does not necessarily mean there’s much in the way of fire.

    but when you put it all together, it paints a pretty damning picture that the CP leaders should address.

    I hope they do address it, but as far as I know, so far no one has asked them to.

  45. paulie

    You have a moral responsibility to alert these people to the accusations you make so that they may respond.

    I wouldn’t go that far, but I think the accusation will have more merit if those accused get to tell their side of the story. So, hopefully someone will bring it to their attention even if the author won’t. If they choose not to respond, readers can draw their own conclusions.

  46. Jill Pyeatt

    I applaud your effort, Joshua, and found your information to be of much interest. As far as notifying everyone involved before an article is posted, it doesn’t seem necessary or even possible. As far as Peter Gemma, he often comments here and at one point even had posting privileges (I think he still does),.

    I certainly never take anything I read on Facebook as 100 % Truth, and I doubt if most people do. However, I think Joshua’s article was thought-provoking and definitely worthwhile reading.

    Jed, I’d love to see you write some original articles. Most people aren’t too critical, but, yeah, I guess it goes with the territory. I’d rather have people here criticize anything I write before it gets more public attention, though, because then I have a chance to make corrections if necessary.

  47. paulie

    . We’re not professional journalists, William. It would have never occurred to me to notify people that I was writing a negative article about them,

    Agreed, and I have written articles about people and not notified them many times.


    and even now that you’ve suggested it seems an incredibly stupid and pointless thing to do. If they’re bothered by it they can come here and respond.

    I don’t think it is stupid or pointless, and they may or may not discover it on their own. I hope someone does alert them. I don’t think it is an obligation of the author, but it would be nice.

  48. Gene Berkman

    Paulie mentions that in the Stormfront Poll, 5 people voted to back the Constitution Party, 2 people voted to back the Libertarian Party.

    That makes it one of the few polls where the Libertarian Party got less than 60% of the vote.

  49. paulie

    Gene, the poll was on Stormfront. I haven’t checked but I am assuming only registered Stormfront users could vote in the poll.

  50. paulie

    As far as notifying everyone involved before an article is posted, it doesn’t seem necessary or even possible. As far as Peter Gemma, he often comments here and at one point even had posting privileges (I think he still does),.

    Last time I checked he can still post articles.

    I happen to know that Frank Fluckinger is reportedly an avid read of IPR. In the past when I’ve authored articles concerning the C.P they have had people come and respond

    Good point. I’m sure it will probably come to their attention sooner or later if it hasn’t already.

  51. Jed Ziggler Post author

    “Jed, I’d love to see you write some original articles. Most people aren’t too critical, but, yeah, I guess it goes with the territory. I’d rather have people here criticize anything I write before it gets more public attention, though, because then I have a chance to make corrections if necessary.”

    I should clarify, Jill. I may do some interviews, in fact I already submitted some questions to Robert Brown, Libertarian candidate for Governor of Texas. I’m also considering doing a piece on the history & fall of the Socialist Labor Party. But as far as opinion pieces, it’s not worth the headaches. I’m not a journalist, I write erotica & occasional film reviews. I can take criticisms, but attacks tend to make me very defensive. It’s not for me.

  52. paulie

    Jed, I’d love to see you write some original articles. Most people aren’t too critical, but, yeah, I guess it goes with the territory. I’d rather have people here criticize anything I write before it gets more public attention, though, because then I have a chance to make corrections if necessary.

    Good points and I agree.

  53. Joshua Fauver

    Okay sure, here we go. Let’s start with the League of the South. We can see here where their director wrote a piece in which he claims that their racist mentality, or as they call it ethnocentrism is both healthy and Biblical.

    http://dixienet.org/rights/poison_of_multicultralism.php#__utma=149406063.843175392.1390596324.1390602735.1390693447.3&__utmb=149406063.1.10.1390693447&__utmc=149406063&__utmx=-&__utmz=149406063.1390693447.3.2.utmcsr=blogs.citypaper.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/index.php/the-news-hole/human-rights-campaign-links-michael-peroutka-to-white-supremacists/&__utmv=-&__utmk=25587005

    And then here in another piece the director asserts that white people posses a God ordained superiority.

    http://dixienet.org/rights/poison_of_multicultralism.php#__utma=149406063.843175392.1390596324.1390602735.1390693447.3&__utmb=149406063.1.10.1390693447&__utmc=149406063&__utmx=-&__utmz=149406063.1390693447.3.2.utmcsr=blogs.citypaper.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/index.php/the-news-hole/human-rights-campaign-links-michael-peroutka-to-white-supremacists/&__utmv=-&__utmk=25587005

    Here the Southern Poverty Law center does a report on Michael Tubbs showing where he’s been convicted of conspiracy and armed robber (reportedly on behalf of the Klan, Peroutka appeared with this man and the aforementioned Cribbs in 2004.

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2004/winter/neo-confederates#__utma=149406063.843175392.1390596324.1390602735.1390693447.3&__utmb=149406063.1.10.1390693447&__utmc=149406063&__utmx=-&__utmz=149406063.1390693447.3.2.utmcsr=blogs.citypaper.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/index.php/the-news-hole/human-rights-campaign-links-michael-peroutka-to-white-supremacists/&__utmv=-&__utmk=25587005

    Also as far as the Political Cesspool show goes, according to Wikipedia Constituton Party member Michael Goza described it as “Christian/Constitutionalist”, and “a great blessing to our cause”

  54. paulie

    Okay sure, here we go. Let’s start with the League of the South. We can see here where their director wrote a piece in which he claims that their racist mentality, or as they call it ethnocentrism is both healthy and Biblical.

    http://dixienet.org/rights/poison_of_multicultralism.php#__utma=149406063.843175392.1390596324.1390602735.1390693447.3&__utmb=149406063.1.10.1390693447&__utmc=149406063&__utmx=-&__utmz=149406063.1390693447.3.2.utmcsr=blogs.citypaper.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/index.php/the-news-hole/human-rights-campaign-links-michael-peroutka-to-white-supremacists/&__utmv=-&__utmk=25587005

    And then here in another piece the director asserts that white people posses a God ordained superiority.

    http://dixienet.org/rights/poison_of_multicultralism.php#__utma=149406063.843175392.1390596324.1390602735.1390693447.3&__utmb=149406063.1.10.1390693447&__utmc=149406063&__utmx=-&__utmz=149406063.1390693447.3.2.utmcsr=blogs.citypaper.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/index.php/the-news-hole/human-rights-campaign-links-michael-peroutka-to-white-supremacists/&__utmv=-&__utmk=25587005

    That’s the same article twice. Perhaps you meant to post a different link. Hill does seem to have become more strident with the years; it’s been a while since I read his writing.

  55. paulie

    But as far as opinion pieces, it’s not worth the headaches. I’m not a journalist, I write erotica & occasional film reviews. I can take criticisms, but attacks tend to make me very defensive. It’s not for me.

    I’ve written some opinion pieces here and hope to start doing more. Submitted one yesterday, I believe, which no one has published. It is really not that bad. But do what you are comfortable with; I don’t want to browbeat you into it.

  56. paulie

    Here the Southern Poverty Law center does a report on Michael Tubbs showing where he’s been convicted of conspiracy and armed robber (reportedly on behalf of the Klan, Peroutka appeared with this man and the aforementioned Cribbs in 2004.

    No question about Tubbs, but I’m involved in various ways with many organizations that have members I don’t always agree with.

    Also as far as the Political Cesspool show goes, according to Wikipedia Constituton Party member Michael Goza described it as “Christian/Constitutionalist”, and “a great blessing to our cause”

    How prominent is Michael Goza in the CP? I don’t recall having ever heard of him.

  57. Cody Quirk

    I think William is the one that doesn’t get it, and obviously has some pretty irrational accusations against Josh.

    Yes, IMO, I think Peroutka is more of a religious bigot then a racial one- yet some of the links on him do indeed raise questions- if he is possibly a racist, at least he tries to keep that part of his character more under wraps, unlike Peter, judging by the SPLC article.

  58. Jill Pyeatt

    Paulie said: ” I’ve written some opinion pieces here and hope to start doing more. Submitted one yesterday, I believe, which no one has published.”

    I seemed to have missed it. I don’t think I’ve deleted any emails from you,. though. What was the title of it?

  59. paulie

    I seemed to have missed it. I don’t think I’ve deleted any emails from you,. though. What was the title of it?

    Probably good news for us…

  60. William Saturn

    There is a moral responsibility to notify because the failure to do so is dishonest. For all you know, there are valid explanations. I do not follow in praise of the writer. I see this “article” as a lazy attempt at attacking the Constitution Party.

  61. William Saturn

    Hey Cody Quirk, didn’t you plagiarize articles from IPR at Third Party Watch?

    I happen to be of the belief that doing something illegal is far worse than holding extremist views.

  62. paulie

    It’s not dishonest unless there is a false claim that they were contacted.

    For all I know there are indeed valid explanations, or not.

    Anyone, including you can contact the CP to get them, or wait for them to come here on their own.

    I see no claim that they were contacted, or that there couldn’t be valid explanations, and nothing to prevent the other side from making comments here or even posting a rebuttal article.

    So, I don’t see what is allegedly so dishonest.

  63. Andy

    I wonder if this article has shed some new light on who the Nazi Troll on IPR is. I’m still leaning toward Tom Knapp being “Spence,” and “Spence” also being the Nazi Troll, which therefore would mean that Tom Knapp is the Nazi Troll, not that I necessarily think that Tom Knapp is a Nazi, he may just have a sick sense of humor, or he may just be a paid government troll / confidential informant that is looking for different angles to attack the site and the Nazi angle is just one of them.

    This article does have me wondering if the part of the Nazi Troll is being played by somebody with ties to the Constitution Party. How many Constitution Party members or sympathizers are signed up as IPR writers (because I still think that all of the top suspects are signed up as writers at IPR)?

  64. Jill Pyeatt

    Gee, Paulie, wasn’t it William Saturn who urged a mentally ill man to record the conversation as he harrassed you? Did he notify you of that?

  65. Steven Wilson

    I have had little contact with the Constitution Party of Missouri in the last year or so, but I did have a great deal of time with some of their candidates in prior election years. I am not defending anyone: I am just stating a truth in this state. Donna Ivanovich has never been identified as a racist or leader of separation groups. She does have a reputation for welcoming new members. I do know that they vent out their candidates in regards to their state by laws and such. She normally sits at their table on the first day of candidate filing to accept their fee, but using facebook as a measurement is very weak.

    Donna Ivanovich is a woman of God and has always treated people with respect and professionalism. In my dealings with her, there is no proof of this ideal of white power coming from her in any way.

    This is my opinion, but Donna Ivanovich is not a separatist or racist. I cannot speak of the others mentioned in this piece.

    Just a note of disclosure: I belong to the Libertarian Party in Missouri. I have never been a member of the Constitution Party of Missouri. I have never volunteered for the Constitution Party of Missouri.

  66. Trent Hill

    Ok, I’m not going to comment on all of this: I haven’t read through the comments.

    I will say this: this isn’t journalism. It’s trying to slander people by their associations. Smearing by association is not good journalism, plain and simple. I’d love to know whether Joshua contacted the people mentioned in this article and gave them a chance to respond to his allegations.

    As for the Howard Phillips/Alan Keyes thing at the end, it’s glaringly obvious he wasn’t there at the time and did not do even a little bit of research on the subject. Phillips recruited Keyes. He turned on him only after Keyes was so adamant about supporting the War in Iraq.

  67. paulie

    Gee, Paulie, wasn’t it William Saturn who urged a mentally ill man to record the conversation as he harrassed you? Did he notify you of that?

    As I recall I was forwarded the email from someone else later. Maybe you. Saturn claims he did not know Milnes was mentally ill at the time he had that conversation with him, which is hard to believe but that’s what he says.

  68. paulie

    How many Constitution Party members or sympathizers are signed up as IPR writers

    Red Phillips and Peter Gemma.

    Trent Hill, Joshua Fauver and Chris Lesiak were at one time affiliated with the CP but I don’t think any of them are any longer.

    Cody used to be CP and used to be an IPR writer.

    I think that’s it.

  69. William Saturn

    I said I didn’t know the extent of his mental illness. I e-mailed Paulie about the idea. It was nothing more than an idea. I didn’t give out anyone’s phone number or force Milnes to harass Paulie. Apparently he was already harassing Paulie. I didn’t know. A civil discussion between Paulie and Milnes would have been of interest to IPR readers.

  70. Jed Ziggler Post author

    I think most of us are Libertarians. The closest I’ve ever been to the CP is going to a Howard Phillips campaign rally while I was in highschool lol.

  71. Spence

    I think the comments here show further evidence that angry aggravated anus Andy the defective detective is actually the racist troll as well. His comments about African-American politician Alan Keyes indicate that loony Andy is a racist. We already know that crazy Andy is a troll. So that would tend to indicate that he is a racist troll, as well. . I’m still leaning toward crazy Andy also being the Nazi Troll, which therefore would mean that nutty Andy is the Nazi Troll, not that I necessarily think that wacko Andy is a Nazi, he may just have a sick sense of humor, or he may just be a paid government troll / confidential informant that is looking for different angles and the Nazi angle is just one of them. Anyway, as you may have guessed, whether it is racist or not the Constitution Party much like the Libertarian Party is worse than worthless. For those of you who are ultra-religious Christians, do like Jesus told you and pray quietly in your closets, and leave what is Cesar’s to Cesar because the Kingdom of Jesus is not of this world. Stop trying to mix your religion with politics and just lead by example. Is that really too much to ask of you religious zealots and hypocrites?

  72. Andy

    “paulie January 25, 2014 at 7:50 pm
    How many Constitution Party members or sympathizers are signed up as IPR writers

    Red Phillips and Peter Gemma.

    Trent Hill, Joshua Fauver and Chris Lesiak were at one time affiliated with the CP but I don’t think any of them are any longer.

    Cody used to be CP and used to be an IPR writer.

    I think that’s it.”

    Is William Saturn a Constitution Party guy?

  73. paulie

    Is William Saturn a Constitution Party guy?

    Not to my knowledge. But I actually don’t know what his political views are.

  74. Andy

    “Spence January 25, 2014 at 8:02 pm
    I think the comments here show further evidence that angry aggravated anus Andy the defective detective is actually the racist troll as well. His comments about African-American politician Alan Keyes indicate that loony Andy is a racist.”

    LOL! This is a ridiculous statement. I said that Keyes did not win the Constitution Party nomination because of his support for the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the United Nations, all position that go against the Constitution Party’s platform. Go read what I said again. I talked to somebody I know in the Constitution Party who was at that convention and who knew Howard Philips, and he told me that those were the reasons that Howard Philips did not endorse Keyes.

  75. paulie

    Keyes did not win the Constitution Party nomination because of his support for the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the United Nations, all position that go against the Constitution Party’s platform. Go read what I said again. I talked to somebody I know in the Constitution Party who was at that convention and who knew Howard Philips, and he told me that those were the reasons that Howard Philips did not endorse Keyes.

    Correct. I’m not aware of any racist element in rejecting Keyes, he just did not fit in with them on foreign policy, being more of a neocon on those issues whereas the CP tends to be more paleocon.

  76. Andy

    “paulie January 25, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    ‘Is William Saturn a Constitution Party guy?’

    Not to my knowledge. But I actually don’t know what his political views are.”

    Weird that he’s been posting here for a long time, yet nobody knows what his political views are.

  77. Andy

    “William Saturn January 25, 2014 at 8:10 pm
    I have no political affiliation. I am an Independent.”

    What are you views?

  78. Trent Hill

    “Correct. I’m not aware of any racist element in rejecting Keyes, he just did not fit in with them on foreign policy, being more of a neocon on those issues whereas the CP tends to be more paleocon.”

    Indeed, two of the main people who campaigned against Keyes at the convention were African-America state-party leaders from Georgia and Idaho.

  79. Joshua Fauver

    If the reason that they rejected Keyes was because he was pro U.N, pro Iraq, and Pro Patriot Act, why did Howard Phillips recruit Keyes to run for the nomination in the first place? Surely they were aware of his position on the matters of the U.N and his foreign policy, and the Patriot Act. Keyes was an ambassador to the U.N after all, as well as Assistant Secretary of the State for International Organizations, and served on the staff of the National Security Council.

  80. William Saturn

    Maintaining Freedom of Speech is the most important issue to me.

    Eugene McCarthy, Ralph Nader, and Phil Davison are my political heroes.

    I voted for Darcy Richardson in the 2012 Democratic Party presidential primary; Gary Johnson in the general election.

    Need any more?

  81. Trent Hill

    “why did Howard Phillips recruit Keyes to run for the nomination in the first place?”

    Again, some basic research before your “piece” would’ve revealed why. Or some logical thinking. Keyes is a big name in comparison to the CP, or was. Just having him there guaranteed press coverage.

    With that said, I don’t think that’s why. Phillips’ had no way to know that Keyes would emphasize, rather than downplay, his support for the UN and War in Iraq. That was REALLY dumb on Keyes’ part. Keyes’ handler, I forget his name, also did a good job of alienating delegates.

  82. paulie

    Sorry, got distracted.

    The part about Gemma seems to be the most damning revelation in the article. Unlike Peroutka, he is still a current member of the national exec comm. And the accusations against him sound pretty bad. So let’s examine those in more detail:

    Gemma was the head of design, marketing, and advertising for the aforementioned Council of Conservative Citizens as well as the media coordinator for their capital region.

    Was he? None of the links in the SPLC article show any proof of these claims. Instead they lead to more SPLC articles with more guilt by association claims sourced with more links to more SPLC articles, etc. Can we get some independent confirmation of the association between Gemma and the CCC other than SPLC citing itself? And, if in fact he was associated with the CCC, how long ago and for how long? Does he still defend the CCC today?

    In 2000 Peter appeared with David Duke and Don Black (both former leaders of the Ku Klux Klan) at an event meant to raise money for the fascist, whites-only British National Party.

    That certainly sounds bad. Again, I need additional evidence that this is true about him appearing at that rally and about it raising money for the BNP. Was that the whole purpose of the event? Is it possible that it was billed as something else? Was he aware of who else would be speaking? Can we confirm that he really did speak there?

    He is a member of Florida’s ResistNET Tea Party, along with White Revolution founder Billy Roper.

    Roper is indeed a racist. However, the fact that they were both members of the same Tea Party group does not indicate that Gemma is a racist – as I said earlier, I belong to many groups that have other members who in turn have associations I don’t approve of.


    Also, much like Peroutka he appeared on the radio show “The Political Cesspool.” (as reported by The Southern Poverty Law Center.)

    And as with Peroutka, I don’t think that appearing on a radio show is much evidence of anything.

    So the two most damning claims about Gemma are that he was an officer of the CCC and that he appeared as a speaker at a rally, along with Duke and Black, to raise money for the BNP.

    The questions:

    1. Are these claims correct and can they be verified with additional sources besides SPLC?
    2. If they are correct, have his views changed since then?
    3. Are other members of the CP board aware of these facts and views of Mr. Gemma, provided they are true? If so, are they going to ask him to resign from their board or do they consider them to be trivial?

  83. paulie

    Keyes’ handler, I forget his name, also did a good job of alienating delegates.

    Sounds like you are talking about Hoefling.

  84. Joshua Fauver

    As far as Gemma’s involvement with the Council of Conservative Citizen, it was also reported by the Washington Post in 2005:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31141-2005Apr6.html

    The Institute for Human Research in 2010:
    http://www.irehr.org/news/latest-news/item/347-peter-gemma

    Political Affairs.net in 2010:
    http://www.politicalaffairs.net/report-tea-party-activism-tied-to-extremists-and-turning-violent/

    As well as the Anti-Defamation League in 2013:
    http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/mark-krikorian-of-cis.html

    And he was the editor for this book, http://www.amazon.com/Shots-Fired-Francis-Americas-Culture/dp/0977736202 who’s author “believe the U.S. is an organic product of Western European culture, not an artifice founded on some airy proposition (e.g., “All men are created equal”).

  85. paulie

    The full text of the SPLC article on Gemma:

    The Constitution Party, a small third party that has been around in one form or another since 1992, says its goal is “to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions.” As a practical matter, that has meant that it opposes abortion and most immigration, seeks to drastically reduce government spending and end the income tax, and works toward a noninterventionist foreign policy that requires dropping out of international organizations and treaties.

    What it has not done, despite serious flirtations with radical anti-abortionists and antigovernment militias, is get into open racism. Not until now, anyway.

    Enter Peter Gemma.

    Virtually unnoticed, Gemma, who lives in Florida, has recently joined the governing national executive committee of the Constitution Party as its eighth living member (party founder Howard Phillips, who died earlier this year, is also listed). Although Gemma is described by the party website as “a veteran political and fundraising consultant” who was a staffer on three presidential campaigns, he is in fact a white nationalist with deep ties to a whole array of racist hate groups.

    For years, he was the head of design, marketing and advertising for the racist tabloid of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) — a group that has complained that non-white immigration was turning the U.S. population into a “slimy brown mass of glop” and described black people as a “retrograde species of humanity.” He also was the media coordinator for the CCC’s Capital Region for several years.

    He is part of the American Holocaust denial movement, reviewing a book by British denier David Irving for the racist Occidental Quarterly journal, organizing a 2005 speaking event for Irving, and giving a speech at the denialist Institute for Historical Review, according to the Institute for Research on Education & Human Rights.

    In 2000, Gemma appeared with David Duke and Don Black, both former leaders of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, at an event meant to raise money for the fascist, whites-only British National Party, according to the same report.

    He has been media director at the National Policy Institute, a hate group that is staffed by leading racists and anti-Semites and whose founder worries that “the white race may go from master of the universe to an anthropological curiosity.” He still writes for The Social Contract, a racist anti-immigration journal. He has contributed to VDARE, a racist website named after Virginia Dare, said to be the first English child born in the New World. He is a member of Florida’s ResistNet Tea Party, where two veteran anti-Semitic activists — White Revolution founder Billy Roper and Internet radio host Clay Douglas — also found a home.

    Gemma has also appeared as a guest on James Edwards’ racist, Memphis-based radio program, “The Political Cesspool,” later reviewing Edwards’ book for a white nationalist blog called Middle American News. And he has been on the other side of many interviews, speaking to such heroes of the radical right as nativist Sheriff Paul Babeu of Pinal County, Ariz., and former congressman Virgil Goode, who was the Constitution Party’s nominee for president of the United States in 2012.

    Gemma’s influence on the Constitution Party has been, thus far, hard to gauge. The group’s mission statement and its website look unchanged. But it’s hard not to wonder, when an already radical group brings a longtime racist and anti-Semite like Peter Gemma into a key leadership position, just what the future can hold.

    I am interested in his response.

  86. paulie

    And if the response is something other than that it’s BS and lies, I’m interested in whether the rest of the CP exec comm cares.

  87. Joshua Fauver

    And based off the articles I posted, having read them, claims of his involvement with the Council of Conservative Citizens isn’t a recent claim. They long predate Gemma being made a member of the national executive committee of the C.P.

  88. Antirevolutionary

    Yeah; it’s time for someone to let Gemma know about this discussion at this point.

  89. RedPhillips

    Joshua, this is absolutely pathetic. You call yourself a constitutionalist, yet you go after a constitutionalist party because you have a grudge against them. And you do so by acting as an enforcer for the Cultural Marxist PC thought police. This piece reads like something I would expect from the SPLC, the ADL or at Salon. It is a typical “point and sputter” PC hit piece. It simply presents incidents of politically incorrect wrongthink as if they are self damning. This accepts and reinforces the Cultural Marxist standards. You are empowering the PC Beast. Seriously, you should be ashamed of yourself. Please turn in you conservative card.

  90. Kevin

    This Comes from a man who keeps posting Bernie Sanders quotes on his page. Does this mean we can affillate you with him and his policies???? This is the biggest load of garbage I have ever read. Hardly the CP is racist. The southern Regional Director is black and I believe a state chairman is black. Who runs this blog??? Please remove his blog and block him from posting hit pieces like this trash.

  91. RedPhillips

    Actually Joshua, I’ve just been looking at your Facebook page. I assume you no longer consider yourself a conservative or a constitutionalist based on it. That’s too bad. I guess you couldn’t stand up to the Cultural Marxist PC indoctrination that passes for education in colleges these days.

  92. Trent Hill

    If Peter Gemma is a racist, he’s a very curious one, having never once mentioned race, ethnicity, affirmative action, or any other similar subjects to me. If he’s choosing to join a racist party, he’s failing–as the CP has a black southern regional director (and member of the Executive Committee he belongs to) and at least two black state chairmen. If he’s anti-semitic, he’s making a strange choice by joining a party founded by a Jewish man who is still revered by the party membership.

    For the record: Peter Gemma’s writings have appeared over 100 times in USA Today. He’s also been featured in plenty of mainstream political magazines and such. His clients include ones listed above…and the National Order of the Purple Order, G. Gordon Liddy, and the National Pro-Life PAC.

    I will say this…it is easy to travel in right wing circles and make contact with people who are very racist. Tea party leaders have been dealing with it for a few years now, the CP has been dealing with it for two decades, and Ron Paul’s presidential campaign was torpedoed by some of those very issues.

    The point reminds: Gemma should’ve been contacted, as a professional courtesy if nothing else. He’s a writer at this blog and a loyal reader of IPR. Joshua didn’t have any professional obligation to do this (he’s a blogger, not a journalist, so he claims), but he had an ethical one. It doesn’t give grounds for expulsion from IPR, but it does give grounds for the rest of us to doubt whether we should really be keeping his poor company–as he eventually turns on everyone he consorts with.

  93. Joshua Fauver

    I would hardly say that I turn on everyone I consort with. I saw Ron Paul’s campaign out to the very bitter end. I stayed with Goode’s campaign till the very end. I would say the C.P turned on me as well as Cody Quirk. Cody and I are still good friends and we talk regularly and I make an effort to help him with his project when I can. I never turned on Wells, he regularly lied to me and I uncovered the truth about the situation. I canvassed every street in my town, more than once, for Henry Herfords congressional campaign and donated to it when I had the money. (Because he was the duly elected chairman of the LAGOP who was arrested and had his hip dislodged and he stood up for Liberty and for those of us who worked hard on behalf of Dr. Paul.) I resent the fact that you would say I turn on everyone I consort with.

  94. RedPhillips

    “Let’s take Peroutka first. For starters the CP dissociated itself from Peroutka quite a while back. I think maybe 2006?”

    The CP did not disassociate from Peroutka, at least not first. Peroutka disassociated (in a manner of speaking) himself from the CP, as did the Maryland state CP, in response to the Nevada abortion issue.

    Cody, I hope you are not letting your issues with Peroutka cloud your constitutionalist judgement. Peroutka is a constitutionalist, and as is almost always the case with people who identify as such these days, supports the right of states to secede, hence his affiliation with the League of the South? Do you think secession is prohibited by the Constitution? If you do, then all those constitutionalist parties you are attempting to unify need to know that.

  95. Cody Quirk

    “If he’s anti-semitic, he’s making a strange choice by joining a party founded by a Jewish man who is still revered by the party membership.”

    Point taken, yet do note that Mr. Phillips converted to Christianity earlier in his political career, so if Peter could even be anti-semetic, then I doubt that he would have a problem with a christianized Jew that’s in political conformity with him.

    “…for the rest of us to doubt whether we should really be keeping his poor company–as he eventually turns on everyone he consorts with.”

    I was critical of Josh’s piece on Robby Wells while I was a supporter of Robby and oblivious to Robby’s true intentions, and I later had to apologize to Josh after Robby jumped into the Democratic Party.

    Josh would never turn on a group, or someone he supports, unless he has a good and justifiable reason to do so.
    So when it comes to the Constitution Party, if he supposedly does have beef with them and intends to smear them- then perhaps it might have something to do with how the CP threw him under the bus twice at a particular CP meeting last year?

  96. Cody Quirk

    “Cody, I hope you are not letting your issues with Peroutka cloud your constitutionalist judgement.”

    I’m quite over the big fight of 2006, since I’m not a CP’er anymore.
    Yet Peroutka’s take and approach on the constitution isn’t constitutionalist, but more theocratic-oriented.

    “Peroutka is a constitutionalist,”

    If Peroutka is a constitutionalist, then I guess I’m a libertarian, lol.

    He is too oriented on Biblical Law to be considered a genuine constitutionalist in my book; REAL constitutionalists support the First Amendment and especially that part of Article 6 which says “no religious test”; I highly doubt if he does, personally.

    “and as is almost always the case with people who identify as such these days, supports the right of states to secede, hence his affiliation with the League of the South? Do you think secession is prohibited by the Constitution? If you do, then all those constitutionalist parties you are attempting to unify need to know that.”

    I only believe in supporting secession as a last resort; God largely wants to keep us as a single nation, and I believe it foolish to support secession at this time when we still got plenty of options, including my project, on the table.
    BTW, I would also like to point out that an ancestor or mine (Thomas Quirk) served as Master of Scouts under John Hunt Morgan, so I’m quite Pro-South.

    And IMO on the League of the South; they are a ok organization with many beliefs that I can agree with, however they’ve had too many bad apples in their organization, and still do.

  97. Cody Quirk

    “The CP did not disassociate from Peroutka, at least not first. Peroutka disassociated (in a manner of speaking) himself from the CP, as did the Maryland state CP, in response to the Nevada abortion issue.”

    Yeah, and I’m quite disgusted about that; the CP should’ve taken a firmer stand against his and John Lofton’s anti-Mormon and theocratic antics.

    Oh well, at least I’m in a better national party now.

  98. Cody Quirk

    Kevin, assuming you are a CP’er, I would like to point out that when a douchebag reporter with the Salt Lake Tribune published a hit piece on my political party, I simply wrote a rebuttal back, instead of calling for him to be removed from that newspaper and his articles censored.

    Don’t you think its a bit hypocritical and fascistic of you to call for Josh to be censored? If you are a constitutionalist then you should support his right to free speech, and it would be better for you to simply write a rebuttal to his article.

    Plus, you should also take the time to accurately refute his evidence which he has presented in his piece.

  99. RedPhillips

    Cody, people can differ with Peroutka over theological issues. I have some issues with him on that myself, but for reasons that I suspect are different than yours. But people who identify themselves as constitutionalists these days generally mean a certain thing by that – original intent, enumerated powers, nullification, rejection of judicial supremacy and +/- judicial review, etc. They generally aren’t ACLU types or Hamiltonian style centralists. And one of the things that unifies most constitutionalists is the right of secession, regardless of whether they think we are far enough down the path to justify that at this time. So by that standard Peroutka is a pristine constitutionalist.

    And how do you know God wants to keep us together? How do you know He doesn’t want the more devout South to separate itself from the Godless Northeast, West Coast, etc. I don’t mean this as a slight or to start an argument, I just mean it for context, but Mormonism has a certain Americanist perspective that I think would make it harder for them to come to terms with the dissolution of America.

  100. RedPhillips

    It’s getting late, so I’ll write a response to some of the specific points raised by Joshua tomorrow when I have time. But briefly, Joshua has only presented evidence that needs refuting if you accept the premise that every bit of politically incorrect crimethink that the Cultural Marxist enforcers deem wrong is actually crimethink. For example, Joshua presents this quote above as if it is obvious evidence of wrongthink. Sam Francis is an evil wrongthinker because he believed “the U.S. is an organic product of Western European culture, not an artifice founded on some airy proposition.” Well, the problem is that the U.S. IS “an organic product of Western European culture” as is Australia, as is New Zealand, as is Canada, etc. and anyone who doesn’t believe that to the point of self evident fact is either a deluded ideologue or an idiot. What are we a product of if not Western Europe, Polynesia? And anyone who believes that America is a “proposition nation” is arguably not a conservative, because no authentic conservative would believe such a foolish ideological construct. The whole proposition nation argument is one of the fundamental things that separates paleoconservatives (a.k.a. actual conservatives) from neocons, and this debate has been going on for years. That is why this sort of PC gotcha piece is so destructive (and intellectually simple-minded). It accepts the Cultural Marxist construct at face value and thus empowers it. That is the bigger issue, not the details of what Peter Gemma or Peroutka said or did.

  101. Trent Hill

    “then perhaps it might have something to do with how the CP threw him under the bus twice at a particular CP meeting last year?”

    Oh Jesus Christ, give it a rest. The kid overslept in his hotel room and then bitched a fit because no one gave him a wake-up call and ordered him breakfast in bed. It’s pathetic.

  102. Brad Griffin

    There’s no basis to this story.

    I know Michael Weaver well. He spends a large part of his time each day spamming articles on various Facebook groups. He has posted these articles on all kinds of groups. Your screenshots prove that Weaver likes to spam articles, mainly ones about himself, not that he has any real *connections* to, say, the Constitution Party or Tea Party.

  103. Cynical in New York

    Heres the thing, just like the left has always hated the rich, paleocons have always hated minority groups this is nothing new. The conservative movement both paleo and neo, like the liberal movement is statist. They like the left want to control the government’s gun and point it that those they deem unacceptable, they’re not interested in liberty or free markets. Waving US flags, making fun of the current murderer in chief and quoting their favorite book of fairy tales does not equal liberty.

    Like the left the conservative movement thinks of US that never existed other than in their statist minds.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/pat-buchanan-drugs-and-conservative-love-for-big-government/

    As for a white supremacists (or any other racist scumbag)? The answer is easy; the right to own a weapon. Racists, bigots and statists know that their thug movements only attract so many followers, they need the state and it’s gun to take away the rights of people they deem unacceptable.

  104. Mike Tuggle

    It is a fact of history that the US is a major component of Western civilization. I’m confused to see this undisputable statement condemned. And to resist the Cultural Marxist goal of overwhelming the country with Third-World colonizers is not an expression of “hate” but of loyalty to one’s culture.

    No wonder the writer quotes the far-left Southern Poverty Law Center. We have a mole.

  105. Spence

    Heinous Anus Andy the Defective Detective:

    “I think the comments here show further evidence that angry aggravated anus Andy the defective detective is actually the racist troll as well. His comments about African-American politician Alan Keyes indicate that loony Andy is a racist.”

    “LOL! This is a ridiculous statement. I said that Keyes did not win the Constitution Party nomination because of his support for the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the United Nations, all position that go against the Constitution Party’s platform.”

    Yes, it was an intentionally ridiculous statement. But even so, it was based on more evidence and logic than your contention that I am some guy Randy I never heard of whose comments I have yet to even read much less write, a racist, a nazi, a troll, or the legendary racist/nazi troll that has plagued this website before I got here. You have precisely zero to base that on, or any of the other things you keep claiming about me. In other words, you pulled it out of your hemorrhoid-plagued ass and continue to insist it is true with absolutely no evidence or logic whatsoever. And your repeated ad nauseum insistence that I am Thomas Knapp is based on about as much, or somewhat less, evidence than deducing that you are a racist because you are not a fan of Alan Keyes. I’m not a fan of Alan Keyes either, incidentally, but despite your repeated insistence, I am not a racist. You base your claim on what, exactly? All to try to distract attention from the fact that the LP is worse than nothing.

  106. Jill Pyeatt

    Does anyone know why Chuck Baldwin has distanced himself from the Constitution Party?

  107. John Lewis Mealer

    Probably the same reasons I had to. That and the fact that Nation CP created a rule that the state’s could not recognize a candidate unless nation did.

    The party is fractured like all other parties. They no longer follow pure Constitutional principles and seem to have allowed wolves into the leadership ranks. The ‘Virgil Goode stunt’ showed their true colors. and ability to be bent by corruption

  108. paulie

    Who runs this blog??? Please remove his blog and block him from posting hit pieces like this trash.

    wredlich@gmail.com

    I doubt he’ll remove it, but that’s who you would ask.

    We’ll put up a rebuttal if someone wants to submit one.

  109. John Lewis Mealer

    I must agree with the question asking if this article being a ‘hit piece’ but the fact is that the current CP does not vet their ranking members and leads to being looked upon as racist by the other groups looking for a line of attack.

    From the larger amount of people within the CP they are not racist as far as I can tell… Then again, I have not checked their woodsheds for white sheets.

    Then we get back to other issues—- I know Robbie Wells. He’s a good man. His plan is to run under the Dem ticket simply because he would have a chance to overturn the apple cart. Sure, he lost a lot of followers, but his libertarian views are the same as they have always been.

  110. Cody Quirk

    “And how do you know God wants to keep us together? How do you know He doesn’t want the more devout South to separate itself from the Godless Northeast, West Coast, etc.”

    If that was the case, then the South would’ve won the Civil War.

    “I don’t mean this as a slight or to start an argument, I just mean it for context, but Mormonism has a certain Americanist perspective that I think would make it harder for them to come to terms with the dissolution of America.”

    If that ever happened, we would get over it and the Rocky Mountain region of the former U.S. would become the Republic of Deseret.

  111. Spence

    What Red really wants to separate is the whites from the coloreds, and I don’t man at the laundromat. Take a look at his website. Holy cow! BTW when will the Constipation Party formally change their ballot symbol to the Swastika? The Theocratic Constipation Party is moving ahead with a merger with the American Freedom to Fascism Party to create a new White Christians Only Party. I mean really, what are the chances they don’t all have Ku Klux Klan robes hanging in their closets? I would say pretty low…or is it just me? #bunchofkooks

  112. Trent Hill

    “Does anyone know why Chuck Baldwin has distanced himself from the Constitution Party?”

    Essentially he just believed in the Ron Paul way–that he could have more influence through the Republican Party. He is still friendly with many in the party and still somewhat involved, I think.

    Paulie–please do not post a rebuttal. This isn’t worthy of that. Either it should be taken down, or left up as a monument to horrible journalism and hit-job writing.

  113. Trent Hill

    On Gemma’s association with David Irving–he wrote a review on his book about Joseph Goebbels. This was before he was known to be a holocaust denier. Some other positive reviews include Professor Francis Lowenheim in the Miami Herald and Professor Norman Stone in the London Sunday Times. Both of the aforementioned reviews by respected figures specifically said the book did not contain any obscuring of facts. A simple phonecall or email to Peter Gemma could’ve explained this.

    On his association with Sam Francis–if you’re going to smear everyone who ever hung out with, worked with, or considered Sam Francis a friend, go ahead and throw the entire conservative movement of the last 30 years under the bus. Seriously, the guy was a prolific and gifted writer, even though I disagreed with him often. Peter Gemma was a friend of his, knows he said controversial things and does not believe that simply being the friend of someone means they are able to speak to your views. He’s not going to defend Sam Francis’ views, they are his own. But being a friend of Sam Francis is not enough to tag someone as racist–he was a well traveled and influential writer on the right. He was twice given the Distinguished Writing Award by the American Society of Newspaper Editors. A phonecall or email to Peter Gemma could have verified their relationship and would’ve allowed Mr. Gemma to at least be part of the conversation before his name was dragged through the mud.

    On his being an employee of the Council of Conservative Citizens. This is simply not true–they once sent out a press release in which Peter Gemma was noted as the organizer of a memorial service for Sam Francis and leftwing blogs misinterpreted this. He has never been an employee of the CCC. Sam Francis was the editor of the CCC’s newspaper for many years and did ask Mr. Gemma to pen a single article for it, which he did. That was in poor judgement. I’ve read the article (easy to find online if you do even a basic search, or even look) and while it isn’t something I’d attach my name too, it’d be quite a stretch to call it racist. It could’ve been printed in any major newspaper or conservative website back in 2003 and it would’ve stood out as controversial, but not racist.

    On the book he edited of Sam Francis writings. ….so what? You have to agree with every piece in order to edit writings? I suppose whomever compiled the writings and paintings of Hitler had to be a hater of Jews, Gypsies, and Africans? Citing shit like this as evidence of racism is where the SPLC jumps the shark. The family of Sam Francis asked Peter Gemma to compile his writings and he did—very well in fact. The book is found in libraries all over the country and has sold over 4000 copies. By the way: Pat Buchanan’s associations with Sam Francis run just as deep and he was on MSNBC FOR CHRIST’S SAKE. Placing a call to Mr. Gemma, or an email, in this case would’ve been half-witted indeed, so I’m terribly surprised Joshua didn’t do it He has the sense not to include this in his writing, he just linked to it like a coward.

    On the affiliation with David Duke. There isn’t one. During Pat Buchanan’s 2000 Presidential campaign, Peter Gemma showed up at an event they were told about in order to gather petitions. He and his team spotted Duke only after being handed the microphone, so they mentioned they had petitions and then bolted. End of story. A phonecall, an email, would’ve sorted this story out pronto.

    On his work with the National Policy Institute–Peter Gemma worked here for six to eight weeks after its founding. He believed it would focus on rightwing issues and instead saw it heading in a more extreme direction, so he abandoned ship. If only there were some way to have contacted Peter Gemma to ask if this part of the story was true…

    Gemma has never given a speech to the Institute for Historical Review (and I’ve searched their archives thoroughly to make sure that’s true, as well as contacted their “media director) and is not a member of a ResistNet TeaParty, though he says its entirely possible he’s on their mailing list. He has written for both The Social Contract and VDARE. The Social Contract seems to be about immigration issues and is not tinged with racism. VDARE has had some accusations made against it and I would not defend it, but it isn’t some bastion of white nationalism. Rather, it’s a website concerning illegal immigration. He did appear on James Edwards’ the Political Cesspool radio show. Other guests of the show: Jerome Corsi, Thomas Naylor (leftwinger), Jim Gilchrist, Chris Simcox, Larry Pratt, Virgil Goode, and Chuck Baldwin. When the show started having open racist on the air, like David Duke, Gemma declined to do any further appearances. I do wonder if there is a way someone could’ve contacted him to ask for this info to begin with?

    Peter Gemma’s essays or articles have been reprinted in three academic textbooks. The book he edited appears in public and college libraries all over the country. His writings have recently appeared in the Washington Examiner, USA Today, and Daily Caller, all of which have massive circulation. He was twice employed by the Ron Paul campaign. Other people the SPLC has printed hit-jobs on that maybe Joshua could use to disparage their character: Judge Andrew Napolitano, Congressman Ron Paul, Sheriff Richard Mack, and Senator Rand Paul.

    Seriously, the attacks on Ron Paul were more substantive than this…and that isn’t saying much.

  114. RedPhillips

    “What Red really wants to separate is…”

    What Spence really wants to separate is his brain from his body when he writes content free PC rants like the good little Cultural Marxist thought slave that he is. I am not the only person who posts at my blog, but I will gladly stand by what I have written there. If you have a specific concern about the factual accuracy of something I have written or if you want to accuse me of crimethink for something in particular then bring it on. Otherwise, go back to the playground.

  115. paulie

    Spence has been a rather persistent troll. I don’t think he has quite crossed the line to time-out corner time yet, but I have been advising people to ignore him.

  116. Andy

    “RedPhillips January 27, 2014 at 9:10 am
    ‘What Red really wants to separate is’

    What Spence really wants to separate is his brain from his body when he writes content free PC rants like the good little Cultural Marxist thought slave that he is.”

    “Spence” might very well be a government troll who has been given talking points to spew on-line by his government handlers, and as I’ve mentioned before, there is evidence that points to Tom Knapp being “Spence”. If by some chance it is not Tom Knapp, I would not be a bit surprised if “Spence” is another Libertarian Party member, or former Libertarian Party member. I’ve got 2 or 3 other strong suspects in mind, but it certainly would be odd if the evidence all pointing to Tom Knapp being “Spence” were all coincidences.

  117. Spence

    Joshua – yes that does seem to be very appropriate in relating to the KKKonstipation Party.

  118. Spence

    Trent, what is the evidence to back up your whitewash of Peter Gemma? Joshua Fauver provided several sources in the comment above (scroll up) : (Joshua Fauver January 25, 2014 at 9:09 pm) including the Anti-Defamation League, Washington Post, and Political Affairs. These are mainstream news sources providing facts backed up by research and they all point to the same factual statements. If they were libelous was there a lawsuit or a correction printed? Or are you just taking Peter Gemma’s word for whatever excuses he comes up with, without even asking him to provide any proof or evidence that it is true?

  119. Spence

    Antirevolutionary, on what basis does Trent win? Flat, unsupported assertion? Do better or…

  120. Cody Quirk

    Yes, I don’t believe that the CP overall has white supremacist leanings; instead the problem here is their indifference, or laziness on the communication & media relations front.

    I happen to run several facebook groups, yet anything inflammatory that gets posted is removed within a day, or a few days; I’m quite vigilant on moderating my groups, and the fact that those fb posts remained there for quite some time reflects poorly on whomever moderates that CP group; they should have been more vigilant, imo.

    Then again, the CP has had problems with things being said in chatgroups for a long, long time.

  121. Spence

    Red, wow, that’s quite a collection of cult-like jargon in your latest comment. I am not a thought slave to anybody and I call out racists when I smell them, including “respectable” multisyllabic racists such as yourself. Or maybe you were wishing Robert E. Lee a happy birthday and excusing everything in *this* article because you are “not” racist. And your excuse for writing at a blog full of openly racist bloggers and links is that you are not the one posting the most extreme content? Well then why do you associate yourself with it by writing there? By the way, does that playground you want me to go back to have separate “but equal” facilities?

  122. Spence

    Paulio, oh Paulio. Why is there no vaccine for Paulio? On what basis do you label me a troll? Do you have any reason, any reason whatsoever to believe I don’t believe 100% of everything I have said here? Can you provide your definition of trolling and specifically how I am allegedly trolling, with examples and an explanation of how they fit your definition? I am ready, willing and able to have a rational discussion of the facts. I am posting on topic. Granted, I don’t agree with your strategy of political parties, candidates and voting; does that alone make me a troll? Tom Blanton and Thomas Knapp don’t agree with it either; are they trolls as well?

  123. Spence

    Angry aggravated heinous anus Andy the defective detective might very well be a government troll who has been given talking points to spew on-line by his government handlers, and as I’ve mentioned before, there is absolutely no evidence that anyone except crazy Andy considers to be real evidence that points to Tom Knapp being Spence. That’s because Tom Knapp is not Spence, only Spence is Spence and even the LP suckers here all uniformly think nutty Andy is crazier than a fruitcake for insisting that I’m Tom Knapp on the basis of such flimsy and laughable “evidence”. If by any chance psycho Andy is not a government agent, I would not be surprised one bit if he has the mummified corpse of his mother locked up in a room somewhere and goes out wearing a wig of her hair and dressed entirely in her clothes. It would certainly be odd if all the evidence of wacko Andy being a troll, a government agent, mentally deranged or all of the above was all coincidental.

  124. Spence

    Also, Cody makes a good point about the KKKonstipation Party facebook account. They can claim that they are leaving racist posts up there by accident all they want, but it’s all lies.

  125. Trent Hill

    “Trent, can you provide any links or references on this stuff about Peter?”

    Can I prove a negative? No. I’m disappointed in you Cody–you know negative can’t be proven. The evidence that Joshua provides has to prove a positive (and a large one, at that). But, unlike Joshua I did some real journalism–rather than just copying and pasting libelous crap. I contacted the “media director” for the CCC, looked up the reviews on David Irving’s book (as well as the timeline on his historical revisionism, which does not predate Gemma’s association with him), looked through Gemma’s articles for the CCC newspaper, The Social Contract, VDARE, and elsewhere (and found nothing racist, although plenty that was controversial), and contacted Peter Gemma himself about the issue.

    That means I did approximately 400000000% more research on Joshua’s piece than he did. That’s pathetic. The sad part is–there was a story here for the taking. The CP DOES have some concerning connections to both racism and rightwing politics, but this article was so poorly constructed, conceptualized, and completed that I just couldn’t read it without some input. Honestly, this article is just gossip-bait and is the type of thing I would’ve never allowed at IPR.

  126. Spence

    Trent,

    ” I contacted the “media director” for the CCC, looked up the reviews on David Irving’s book (as well as the timeline on his historical revisionism, which does not predate Gemma’s association with him), looked through Gemma’s articles for the CCC newspaper, The Social Contract, VDARE, and elsewhere (and found nothing racist, although plenty that was controversial), and contacted Peter Gemma himself about the issue. ”

    I did not see any of this evidence in your comments. Would you please post it?

    ” The sad part is–there was a story here for the taking. The CP DOES have some concerning connections to …. racism”

    Please elaborate.

  127. Spence

    William,

    Even Trent agrees that the CP DOES have concerning connections with racism. So at the very least Joshua deserves Kudos for opening the conversation. Sweeping it under the rug? No, no.

  128. William Saturn

    “Connections with racism” can be found with any organization. Racism is not a crime. It’s a logical fallacy.

  129. Cody Quirk

    I politely asked for a CFR on the stuff you said about Peter and you go throw a temper-tantrum which still doesn’t prove your version of events.

    And it’s ironic since I recall that you were skeptical of Josh’s take on that one CP meeting last year and ridiculed his testimony of that event repeatedly, yet when the tables are turned you go fly off the handle rather then provide URL or any links or documented evidence on your take of Peter Gemma.

    I’m disappointed in you, Trent.

  130. Cody Quirk

    ““Connections with racism” can be found with any organization. Racism is not a crime. It’s a logical fallacy.”

    Yes, however you have to agree that the CP hasn’t done a good job in distancing itself from those racist connections, or in monitoring what gets posted on their discussion forums.

  131. William Saturn

    If someone wanted to trash an organization, it wouldn’t be hard to find (or plant) racist material on a poorly monitored discussion forum connected with that group. Neither the CP nor any other organization has any responsibility to apologize for or distance itself from every logical fallacy committed by every individual ever connected to the organization.

  132. Peter Gemma

    Well, I was not going to respond to this stuff, but I just wanted to weigh-in and say thanks to the people who have been fair in their postings and very supportive in their personal notes of encouragement. Some people I admire have gone out of their way to tell me pay the little people no mind.

    I certainly can’t rebut the findings of ace reporter Joshua Fauver — no sir — those postings he breathlessly revealed have been bouncing around the internet for years and he’s just found them. Most come from, predictably, left wing nuts, but I have to admit the Washington Post story is solid: they have a fine reputation of covering right wingers. Ever since he soiled himself in front of the adults of the Constitution Party, Joshua has been a man — a very, very young man — on a mission. I suspect there will be more gossip and garbage dumped on the people and the policies of the Constitution Party.

    I miss the old IPR: insightful news and thoughtful views about politics — no tolerance for hit pieces.

    I’ve been in endured slings and arrows in my political life — left myself open for some — but all in all things break for the best, especially when political buddies, from across the spectrum, say hang in there.

  133. Trent Hill

    “I did not see any of this evidence in your comments. Would you please post it? ”

    You want me to post evidence that none of his giant article collection have racist statements? Yeah, how am I supposed to do that? You want me to post evidence of his review appearing on Irving’s book before Irving was well known as a holocaust denier? I already posted the names of two other reviewers in major newspapers (with Jewish surnames no less) who also positively reviewed the book. St. Martin Press almost published the book, but it ended up being self-published. I think it’s easy to see how someone could miss out on Irving’s historical revisionism in light of the fact that the book was one of his least controversial by far. Or should I post “evidence” of the phonecall I had with the media director at CCC? C’mon, don’t be daft. You might be a troll, but you know proving a negative is impossible.

  134. William Saturn

    Hey Spence, we can all click links. Posting these articles here without permission is a copyright violation.

  135. Trent Hill

    “So at the very least Joshua deserves Kudos for opening the conversation.”

    He didn’t open a conversation. He sent an opening salvo at a party he feels wronged him because he slept too late one morning at a convention and they didn’t babysit him.

  136. Trent Hill

    “I politely asked for a CFR on the stuff you said about Peter and you go throw a temper-tantrum which still doesn’t prove your version of events.

    And it’s ironic since I recall that you were skeptical of Josh’s take on that one CP meeting last year and ridiculed his testimony of that event repeatedly, yet when the tables are turned you go fly off the handle rather then provide URL or any links or documented evidence on your take of Peter Gemma.”

    I wasn’t skeptical of his “take”. I accepted his version of events exactly–didn’t even seek out another “version” of the events. His version was that he overslept and wasnt in the meeting to speak towards a certain subject and was therefore angry when it was decided in his absence and angry as well that no one babysat him afterwards by telling him what went on while he was snoozing. Nothing to be skeptical of. His own version of events was damning.

    URL/Links are not evidence. They are portals through which you can find more words about what we’re discussing–in this case, a website that paints all rightwingers with a broad brush as racists because of their associations.

  137. Spence

    Trent here is what you said:

    ” I contacted the “media director” for the CCC,”

    Who is that and how would someone contact him or her?

    “looked up the reviews on David Irving’s book (as well as the timeline on his historical revisionism,”

    You could post those?

    “, looked through Gemma’s articles for the CCC newspaper, The Social Contract, VDARE, and elsewhere (and found nothing racist, although plenty that was controversial),”

    Could you post those, so people can draw their own conclusions if it is racist or not?

  138. paulie

    Hey Spence, we can all click links. Posting these articles here without permission is a copyright violation.

    Excerpt are OK, but honestly I don’t care. Spence is growing more and more annoying, and people responding to him aren’t helping. It’s true that we can all follow links, but as a practical matter few people do – I’ve looked at the web stats many times which show this. The particular links in question are a bunch of guilt by association stuff, and while most of them don’t cite outside sources, I am betting most of them use each other as sources without giving credit. Because professional journalists have much higher standards than bloggers, of course 🙂

    [For other IPR writers you can take a look in trash and see if the comments should have been taken down. They were basically repostings of all or parts of the articles Joshua linked earlier].

  139. Trent Hill

    All of this is publicly available information. The media director’s number is on the website of the CCC, I’m not going to play this stupid game where everyone pretends they’re morons so they can go on justifying Joshua’s stupid article. I posted the names of the reviewers and the newspapers, it’s pretty easy to find the text of the reviews based on that. And no, I’m not going to post a link to the CCC newspaper article that’s 10 years old, an entire article archive from THe Social Contract, an entire article archive from VDARE, and dozens of articles that are EASILY found online from USA Today, Daily Caller, or the Washington Examiner. Do you know why? Because you’re capable, you’re just being a troll.

  140. Trent Hill

    Paulie nails it. Paulie–can we go ahead and ban the troll by IP? I just looked his IP up and he’s used like 20 different names, always posting non-contributory comments, basically just being ridiculous or abusive.

  141. Cody Quirk

    “I wasn’t skeptical of his “take”. I accepted his version of events exactly–didn’t even seek out another “version” of the events. His version was that he overslept and wasnt in the meeting to speak towards a certain subject and was therefore angry when it was decided in his absence and angry as well that no one babysat him afterwards by telling him what went on while he was snoozing. Nothing to be skeptical of. His own version of events was damning.”

    Hmmmmm, well there was actually more to that story then what you thought happened, and I do believe Josh wouldn’t have slept in the next day had he known about the vote on both the issue of my former group, and especially the CP youth organization- never mind that both items were not listed on the meeting agenda at all, and no one said anything to him about those items which would have concerned him.

    And either me or Josh can provide proof of the matter of the CP meeting agenda, fyi.

  142. paulie

    Paulie nails it. Paulie–can we go ahead and ban the troll by IP? I just looked his IP up and he’s used like 20 different names, always posting non-contributory comments, basically just being ridiculous or abusive.

    It’s actually an IP anonymizer called http://anonymouse.org which is associated with several different IPs, and is one of many such services. It may be the same person using it or a bunch of people, but there is no way to tell. There are legitimate reasons why someone may want to anonymize their IP, but it is also true that trolls love the anonymizer. I’m hesitant to ban IP anonymizing completely, and there are a lot of different IP anonymizers out there with multiple IPs each, but it’s up to Warren now – I no longer have access to ban any IPs myself.

  143. Spence

    Paulio and Trent – I have never used any other names to post comments here. If you don’t understand how IP anonymizing works go to http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/ and leave a comment, then look up what IP address your comment came from. I guess we will have to just take Trent’s word for it that none of the articles contain anything racist, right? And as for posting articles that is something that Paulio and many other people here have done but I guess there are different standards for me here. Would it be wrong if I said that some people here are more equal than others? Incendiary?

  144. Jill Pyeatt

    I vote to delete Spence’s trollish comments. I’m really tired of having to keep an eye on what he posts, and he’s yet to contribute anything of substance. It’s clear he’s here to make trouble.

  145. Spence

    Jill, you and various people keep claiming I am a troll but as I asked Paulio earlier:

    On what basis do you label me a troll? Do you have any reason, any reason whatsoever to believe I don’t believe 100% of everything I have said here? Can you provide your definition of trolling and specifically how I am allegedly trolling, with examples and an explanation of how they fit your definition? I am ready, willing and able to have a rational discussion of the facts. I am posting on topic. Granted, I don’t agree with your strategy of political parties, candidates and voting; does that alone make me a troll? Tom Blanton and Thomas Knapp don’t agree with it either; are they trolls as well? Are only people who agree with your strategy allowed to comment at this website, even though we are commenting on topic?

    Trent you never did elaborate what you meant by this today at 3: 45 pm: “The CP DOES have some concerning connections to … racism…” Details, please! What concerning…?

  146. Jill Pyeatt

    An example, Spence asked about a child molesting ring on the Laura Brown article. What the heck? What did that contribute besides trying to causing trouble? He’s been warned and continues to cause trouble on most threads. I’m tired of it.

  147. Spence

    She said she was “Alive, Free and Happy” to be at this event. I heard that “Alive, Free and Happy” is the name of a child molesting cult in Southern California that has ties to the Libertarian Party there. I did not say this was a fact, I said I don’t know and I asked people to confirm, deny or provide additional details regarding these allegations. Why is that trolling?

  148. Trent Hill

    “I guess we will have to just take Trent’s word for it that none of the articles contain anything racist, right?”

    Or you can read them yourself. Or use common sense to figure out that if he’d written anything racist, it would be found in any of the above articles by the SPLC.

    “Trent you never did elaborate what you meant by this today at 3: 45 pm: “The CP DOES have some concerning connections to … racism…” Details, please! What concerning…?”

    I’m not going to elaborate on anything to you. You’re trolling, hard. I really think all your posts should be deleted.

  149. paulie

    I’m not going to elaborate on anything to you. You’re trolling, hard. I really think all your posts should be deleted.

    I’ll stick with urging a boycott (ie non-response), but it’s up to Warren.

  150. langa

    I’m disappointed that people continue to treat SPLC articles as legitimate evidence of anything, other than the SPLC’s own lack of journalistic integrity.

    As for the alleged presence of racists in the CP, I’m sure there are a few. If you look hard enough, you can find racists in virtually every political party, and in the case of conservative parties, you usually don’t even have to look all that hard, since most racists are conservatives (which, of course, does not mean that most conservatives are racists).

    It is even possible, although much less likely, that there are openly racist individuals within the leadership of the CP. If anyone can provide real evidence of that, I would encourage them to do so, as such information would constitute a public service to CP members and to the general public. But anyone interested in obtaining real evidence of anything would be well advised to steer clear of the SPLC, which is, in reality, nothing more than a professional smear group.

  151. Darcy G Richardson

    Trent and the others who have come to Peter Gemma’s defense are absolutely correct. This article borders on slander, and will float around the Internet for years to come. Peter deserves better — much better — than to be haunted by something like this, especially on a site like IPR where he has consistently been a voice of reason.

    As one clearly on the opposite side of the political spectrum, I’ve long admired and respected Peter’s devotion to the cause of open politics in this country. He managed his first independent statewide campaign back in 1978 — exceeding all expectations for his little-known, long-shot candidate — long before many contributors on this site were even born.

    I’ve also long admired Peter’s insight and writing — he’s a talented wordsmith — and consider him a friend. Moreover, he’s been right on so many issues over the years, from his principled opposition to the so-called “free trade” agreements that have virtually wiped out the middle-class in this country — with the worst yet to come in the form of the “fast-track” Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) now on the horizon — to his steadfast opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the horrible 2009 Citizens United decision rendering politics in the United States as the exclusive playground for bailed-out Wall Street banks and bored billionaires drowning in cash, and his continuing fight against the duopoly in general.

    Peter’s a good man. I’ve never heard or read a racist or anti-Semitic remark from him. He’s definitely not a hater as Joshua’s piece implies.

  152. Spence

    Wow, check it out, international socialists showing love for national socialists…it’s like our own little Hitler-Stalin pact in miniature! I guess the ADL, Washington Post, etc are smear artists?

  153. paulie

    Darcy and langa make good points here. I have met Peter a number of times, and he probably knows that my ancestry mostly Jewish and part Mongol/Siberian native, and as far as I can tell he had no problem with that. I’ve read many of his articles; agreed with some, disagreed with others…but never saw anything that was even slightly like Don Black and David Duke. The SPLC, as previously noted, has accused libertarians of being racists also. Their MO is to have a lot of citations in their articles, but almost all of them lead back to other SPLC articles. And it’s highly likely that the other articles in WP, ADL, etc relied on SPLC articles to research their material as well.

  154. RedPhillips

    I know it has been suggested that we not respond to Spence, but I wanted to say this because it makes a larger point about the perniciousness of the growing PC Zeitgeist. The articles at the group blog I post at have the name of the person who posted it available at the bottom of the post. So that person is generally the one responsible for the content of the post. In general, if we are posting someone else’s work then that will be noted in the post or we have a “Guest Author” and “Editors” designations that we can use.

    Spence used the Happy Birthday to Robert E. Lee post as an example of wrongthink. Well, as can be seen from the post author, I was the author of that post which I say openly and without shame. How we treat our Southern leaders in the War Between the States is a perfect example of the growing absolutism of the PC thought policing machine. Robert E. Lee is someone who has historically been honored throughout the US except by the most radical and especially in the South. Schools and roads were named after him. Male children were named after him, etc. His birthday and the proximate birthday of Stonewall Jackson, were even holidays in some Southern states, and still are. Here in Georgia, Confederate Memorial Day remains a state holiday. This hysterical anti-Southern componet of the PC machine is, historically speaking, a relatively recent development. In the 80s, the Dukes drove around in a car named The General Lee with a Confederate Battle Flag on it on primetime network TV. The point of me posting a Happy Birthday to Robert E. Lee, as I say in the post, was to essentially poke a thumb in the eye of the PC Gestapo that have now made it a thoughtcrime to in any way honor our Southern heros. So both Spence and the PC Police can kiss my rear end. I, unlike Spence and so many others, have not sold my intellect to the cult of white hating Cultural Marxism.

    For the record, my blog is not an overtly racialist blog in the way American Renaissance or Alternative Right, are for example. We are a paleoconservative blog in the manner of Pat Buchanan, Chronicles Magazine, Paul Gottfried, etc. We do speak out against political correctness a lot because it is an important subject and so few others are willing to do so. That is enough for Spence (who may not be smart enough to understand the nuance) and the PC Gestapo to believe us to be thoughtcriminals, but so be it. I remain unbowed.

  155. Jill Pyeatt

    I’m deleting your comments, Spence. We worked with you for a couple weeks. If your comments are genuine and conversational, fine. But when you’re being trollish and I’m around, I’ll delete them.

  156. Spence

    OK Jill, you win. If you are simply going to delete comments instead of having a discussion about what exactly your guidelines are, and if you take down reasonable on topic comments and questions as you have then I can’t participate. Clearly, your response to the truth I have been pointing out is to keep it “out of sight and out of mind.” I can take rudeness, cursing, and false accusations, but I can’t take arbitrary and unreasonable deletion, especially of questions.
    I hope you are proud that the only way you could win a battle of wits is by shutting me up.

  157. Jed Ziggler Post author

    So it appears that many of the claims made by Mr. Fauver are without merit. I retract my earlier support of this article, though I still have questions about Peter Gemma, and about the CP’s continuing associations with nutjobs of all sorts.

    With that said, demanding that this article be removed are absolutely wrong, and I will fight that to the bitter end. This discussion, rapidly approaching 200 comments, is exactly what I wanted to happen. It’s what should happen any time a controversial article is posted here, be it an original piece or an excerpt of something written by a third person. I’m glad that many of the facts have been fleshed out, and that people have had a chance to express their passionate opinions.

  158. Jill Pyeatt

    Like I said, we’ve worked with Spence for a couple weeks. He knows what is objectionable.

  159. Trent Hill

    “This discussion, rapidly approaching 200 comments, is exactly what I wanted to happen.”

    I’m betting you wouldn’t feel the same if the post slandered YOU, instead of Peter.

  160. Jill Pyeatt

    I agree that the article not be deleted, Jed. We don’t post articles that become a problem often. We’ve also aired and discussed some legitimate concerns about Joshua’s topic. Plus, Joshua is young and fairly new at posting things. There’s going to be a learning curve, and I appreciate his efforts at writing an original column.

    There will be plenty of things to talk about later, after Obama’s SOTU speech.

  161. Jed Ziggler Post author

    “I’m betting you wouldn’t feel the same if the post slandered YOU, instead of Peter.”

    If I were anything close to a public figure, which I’m not, I would know that heightened scrutiny & hit pieces come with the territory.

  162. William Saturn

    I disagree with deleting Spence’s latest comments now in the trash bin. It is one thing to violate copyright but another to post opinions (which we can choose to ignore).

  163. Jed Ziggler Post author

    “I disagree with deleting Spence’s latest comments now in the trash bin. It is one thing to violate copyright but another to post opinions (which we can choose to ignore).”

    I actually agree. I get why people are frustrated. That said, just ignore him. Don’t read a single word he posts.

    But if he really is leaving, good riddance.

  164. RedPhillips

    One reason I am generally reluctant to address the specific charges in so many of these types of PC hit pieces and rather just attack the writer as a pathetic PC water carrier who has turned off his/her brain is because I reject the underlying PC premise, as should all thoughtful people. So addressing the specifics, in some cases, reinforces the left-wing PC narrative.

    The underlying premise is that the Cultural Marxist double standard is legitimate. The Cultural Marxist double standard is this: that it is natural, just, right, to be expected and even commendable for non-whites to express their ethnocentrism and act to protect their group interests, but if a white person or group does the same, they are the worst of all possible thought criminals. This is obviously an absurd premise. It is intellectually untenable and is objectively anti-white, yet it is the dominant paradigm these days.

    There are two intellectually consistent views on race/ethnicity with regard to the expression of ethnocentrism. Either everyone, including whites, gets to be equally ethnocentric (the historic and natural order of things) or no one gets to be ethnocentric (ideological colorblindness). As James Kalb points out, modern conservatives have adopted the latter because it is the farthest rightward position they can take and still hope they can avoid being labeled a wrongthinker. Some libertarians, since they are atomistic individualists, are actually consistent here, although curiosly, they almost always reserve their harshest criticisms and name calling for whites who fail the colorblindness test rather than non-whites.

    It is impossible to look at history and the world around us and not realize that ethnocentrism is ubiquitous. For example, do Kurds want their own nation because they have technical issues with how the government is structured in Iraq? No, they simply want to govern themselves. It is almost certainly encoded in our DNA, and scientific studies back this up. And it makes perfect Darwinian sense that being more oriented to your closer kin would increase your inclusive fitness relative to being equally oriented to kin and strangers. As a Christian I’m not an orthodox Darwinian, but you don’t have to be an orthodox Darwinian to understand something so basic. It is because ethnocentrism in every group is so intuitive and natural that it has to be stamped out so ruthlessly in white people by rigorous ideological enforcement. By Cultural Marxist standards, the only legitimate position for white people is self-loathing and public self-flaggelation. Watching whites who have bought into this crazed mindset is a pathetic and demeaning spectacle, which is why I have so little tolerance for it.

    So with that in mind, let’s look at some of the specifics in Joshua’s supposedly scandalous expose. For example, the British National Party (BNP) was mentioned. While there are certainly problems with the BNP and it has recently fallen into disarray due to internal and leadership issues, the allegedly thoughtcriminal desire to keep Britain British, rather that turning it into a Muslim, Southeast Asian colony, is not one of them. Why would any self-respecting member of the people groups that made the UK what it was, particularly if they are Christians, want to voluntarily turn it over to dissimilar foreigners who practice a different religion? This is entirely intuitive and natural, which as I said above, is why it has to be so ruthlessly supressed ideologically. I shouldn’t have to remind people that conservatives want to conserve things. Go figure. So what could be move fundamentally conservative than wanting Britain to not become not Britain? So why would I be scandalized, unless I’ve bought the dominant yet absurd paradigm, that a conservative might have at some point brushed up against a party that wants to conserve Britain? (I use Britain to mean England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, etc., although, since I am intellectually consistent, I don’t have a problem with those constituent elements dissolving into independent parts.) Now if you want to denounce them on a colorblind and no borders (ideological libertarians are just about the only people who embrace the latter, which is a completely ahistorical view.) basis, then fine, but you also have to denounce Native Americans who want to keep their reservations (membership in which is defined by blood) Native American, or Jews who want to keep Israel Jewish, or Mexicans who want to reclaim Azatlan. If you only criticize the BNP but don’t criticize the ADL, for example, then you are betraying your professed principles and have likely viscerally bought into the paradigm that ethnocentrism is worse in whites even if you intellectually object otherwise.

    For another example, VDARE was mentioned as some supposedly scandalous taint. VDARE is an immigration restrictionist website that rejects proposition nation dogma. Yeah and…? As I said above, restricting immigration is an inherently conservative policy, and people on the right have been having the proposition nation debate for decades. It is one of the fundamental issues that separates paleocons from neocons. If you think supporting immigration restriction and rejecting proposition nation ideology is a scandalous thoughtcrime, then you have drunk the Cultural Marxist Kool-Aid. Rather than being a taint, it is a veritable litmus test of authentic conservatism, since again, conservatives are interested in conserving things. So please tell me again why I’m supposed to be scandalized that a conservative wrote for or read or whatever a site that espouses unquestionably conservative policies?

    And in closing a word to my libertarian friends. While you, unlike liberals who embrace the Cultural Marxist double-standard with gusto and conservatives who adopt an inauthentic colorblindness in order to innoculate themselves against being called bad names, can genuinely stand on intellectually consistent ground, there is no reason that someone who embraces ethnocentrism for all is somehow a worse transgressor of libertarian ideology than is someone who embraces Keynesian economics, for example, so there is no reason to treat one group of ideological transgressors worse than another, especially since it can’t be denied that ethnocentrism is natural anyway. Also, since consistent libertarians believe there is a right to personally discriminate and oppose anti-discrimiation laws, it is hopelessly naive to believe you can escape the ever watchful eye of the PC Storm Troops with your pristine embrace of colorblindness as a defense. As paulie noted above, libertarians are often accused of racism. Well no duh? Because you reject state prohibition of discrimination, which in the absolutist mind of the Cultural Marxist Borg is tantamount to endorsing discrimination. So perhaps it is not the wisest course to jump on the bandwagon and further empower the PC Beast lest it devour you next.

    Now be my guest in trying to attack the logic of what I just wrote.

  165. Andy

    “paulie January 28, 2014 at 4:09 pm
    Good riddance to Spence, and please do let the door hit your ass on the way out.”

    Don’t be surprised to see “Spence” back under a different name.

  166. Andy

    “Spence January 27, 2014 at 10:20 pm
    She said she was ‘Alive, Free and Happy’ to be at this event. I heard that ‘Alive, Free and Happy’ is the name of a child molesting cult in Southern California that has ties to the Libertarian Party there. I did not say this was a fact, I said I don’t know and I asked people to confirm, deny or provide additional details regarding these allegations. Why is that trolling?”

    “Spence January 28, 2014 at 12:38 pm
    Wow, check it out, international socialists showing love for national socialists…it’s like our own little Hitler-Stalin pact in miniature! I guess the ADL, Washington Post, etc are smear artists?”

    Bruce Cohen?

  167. Jill Pyeatt

    I don’t think it was Cohen because he had a style of writing that would be hard to disguise.

  168. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt January 29, 2014 at 2:29 am
    I don’t think it was Cohen because he had a style of writing that would be hard to disguise.”

    How about Brian Holtz?

  169. Darcy G Richardson

    “Wow, check it out, international socialists showing love for national socialists…it’s like our own little Hitler-Stalin pact in miniature!”

    I have to admit that was a pretty good one, Spence. But keep in mind Peter and I had little to do with making it happen; von Ribbentrop and Molotov should get all of the credit.

  170. Ancient Aryan Astronaut

    LOL. You didn’t seriously just remove a comment for AGREEING with another comment that was NOT removed, by one of your own writers no less, did you? No, that would be just too absurd; couldn’t possibly make sense. I’d love to see you explain that one. Really? Lets be clear: ALL that I did in the comment that you took down was agree with Red Phillips.

  171. Andy

    “Ancient Aryan Astronaut January 29, 2014 at 4:49 am
    LOL. You didn’t seriously just remove a comment for AGREEING with another comment that was NOT removed, by one of your own writers no less, did you? No, that would be just too absurd; couldn’t possibly make sense. I’d love to see you explain that one. Really? Lets be clear: ALL that I did in the comment that you took down was agree with Red Phillips.”

    Hey, look, it’s “Spence” or whatever name he’s calling himself now.

  172. Ancient Aryan Astronaut

    No, moron.

    Spence is an “anti-racist” Cultural Marxist thought slave who is ashamed of being White.

    I was here long before that race traitor.

    The only thing we have in common is using IP anonymizers.

  173. Andy

    “Ancient Aryan Astronaut January 29, 2014 at 5:22 am
    No, moron.

    Spence is an ‘anti-racist’ Cultural Marxist thought slave who is ashamed of being White.

    I was here long before that race traitor.

    The only thing we have in common is using IP anonymizers.”

    So in other words, “Spence” is just one of your multiple personalities.

  174. Ancient Aryan Astronaut

    In other words, you have a anus-cranus inversion.

    I have no idea who Spence is. Don’t care, either.

    Why would you think he would be me? We have practically nothing in common.

    You really are dumb enough to believe only one person here could use anonymizers?

    Really it doesn’t matter what you believe. I am proud of my bloodline, of my White ancestry…and if that makes me a racist well then I’m proud to be!

    You, Spence and anyone else who does not uphold the survival of the White race can go straight to hell!

  175. langa

    By the way, I am about as far from an “international socialist” as one could possibly be.

    I am, as most people here probably already know, a libertarian anarchist, of the type that Red classifies as “ahistorical” (although he neglects to mention that at some point, all great ideas have been considered “ahistorical”).

  176. johndenugent2013

    So, Mr, Joshua Fauver, many Joshua’s I know these days are Jewish. So tell me, do you have a dog in this fight? “in the interests of full disclosure” 😉 If, so , come out and say it: “I am a Jew and I am against those who are against me.” Stop cloaking yourself in patriotism when this is about you and your tribe. I belong to the American people, and you belong to the Jewish people., I do not claim to belong to two different peoples. Your people are in Israel, where they are savaging the Palestinian natives with the most racist tyranny on earth, and Jews strut around there as the Master Race over them. Israel has made the Amnesty International list of countries that routinely torture every single year since it was founded 50 years ago.

  177. Michael Bertocchi

    Thanks Joshua for pointing out that the Council of Conservative Citizens are White Supremacists.

    I was wrong to like them in a post without first investigating what they stood for.

    I shouldn’t have assumed they were non-White Supremacists.

    I don’t agree with their White supremacist views after looking at their website.

    Michael Bertocchi
    Rockville, Maryland
    301-814-2005
    Chairman
    Marylanders for Constitutional Governance
    Constitution Party state affiliate
    constitutionpartymd.com
    Twitter: twitter.com/constitutionmd

  178. Joshua Fauver

    Well this is a first. No, I am not Jewish. I’m a non-denominational Christian and both of my parents were raised Baptist. To my knowledge I have no Jewish ancestry. My mother’s maiden name is Smith, and her mother’s maiden name was Valentine. As for my surname, it is Fauver and as far as the genealogy of it everything I’ve seen traces that name back to France. So my people are not in Israel and I belong to none of the twelve tribes.

  179. Ancient Aryan Astronaut

    The Constitution Party and American Freedom Party should merge.

    RedPhillips January 28, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    Bravo! Well, said, Sir! I could not agree with you more.

  180. Andy

    “Ancient Aryan Astronaut January 31, 2014 at 1:19 am
    The Constitution Party and American Freedom Party should merge. ”

    Hey it’s “Spence,” back under another fake name.

  181. RedPhillips

    Joshua, I wish you would address my Jan 28 post above. I’m a bit surprised that no one has taken a shot at it so far.

    As for the CP and the AFP merging, the AFP is not constitutionalist. They’re third positionists. Aside from the overtly racial angle, I knew that third positionism wasn’t going to fly here from the start. It’s primarily a European concept and arises from the European political milieu. Very few American have any idea what third positionism even is, and it doesn’t translate well to how our political coalitions are organized in the US.

  182. Ancient Aryan Astronaut

    I wonder why Andy and Jill keep insisting that I am the anti-White cultural Marxist jagoff Spence? I think Andy is most likely actually Spence.

    Red, they can’t address your post because they can’t refute the logic; only ignore it in your case or alternatively censor it or claim I am someone else in mine.

  183. Andy

    “Ancient Aryan Astronaut January 31, 2014 at 4:20 pm
    I wonder why Andy and Jill keep insisting that I am the anti-White cultural Marxist jagoff Spence?”

    Because you post under a fake name and are likely another character who has been created by the same person who created “Spence”.

  184. Ancient Aryan Astronaut

    Lots of people post under pseudonyms for a wide variety of reasons and you have no logical reason to presume they are all the same person. You fail, again. As does your ideology of selling out the White race and breeding us out of existence. The real holocaust!

  185. Andy

    “Ancient Aryan Astronaut January 31, 2014 at 6:31 pm
    Lots of people post under pseudonyms for a wide variety of reasons and you have no logical reason to presume they are all the same person.”

    You post under a fake name because you are a coward.

  186. Ancient Aryan Astronaut

    I guess you aren’t a big fan of V for Vendetta, Mark Twain or the American Revolution, among many others….

    From the late-18th to early-19th centuries, it was established practice for political articles to be signed with pseudonyms. A well-known American was the pen name “Publius”, used by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay, in writing The Federalist Papers. In his youth, Benjamin Franklin wrote a number of letters to his brother’s newspaper posing as a widow under the pen name Silence Dogood. The British political writer “Junius” was never identified.

    Revolutionaries throughout history used pseudonyms.

    Here are some “cowards” from the American Constitutional debates:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pseudonyms_used_in_the_American_constitutional_debates

    And none of this explains your insistence that I am some antifa dirtbag named Spence, with no evidence at all.

  187. The Shadow

    This article is just a bunch of rambling nonsense written by a typical neo-con or libertarian (which have a lot more in common than most people think).

  188. paulie

    Neocons were Democrats who broke away from the Democratic Party because first, they were social conservatives and second, they like an interventionist foreign policy. They continue to love big government on the economic side too. So what could they possibly have in common with libertarians?

  189. Mark Seidenberg

    Michael Peroutka is a gentleman and would have made a fine POTUS. In the 10 years I have known him, I have only good
    things to say about him. To Paulie, the event was during the Executive Board Meeting at Concord, NH, circa December,
    2006. Members that controlled the Executive Board of the Constitution Party had the chutzpah to lock Peroutka out. That
    did not seat well with me and others.

    To Cody you are way of base with you attacks on Michael.

    The American Independent Party in 2008 left the Constitution Party. I was the head of the California Delegation to the
    convention in Kansa City in 2008. Because of the events within the leadership of CP, the American Independent Party
    of California left the CP and joined up with the run of Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes for POTIS and Pastor Dr. Wiley Drake
    for VPOTUS in early summer, 2008. Dr. Wiley Drake is the current Chairman of the AIP for California.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
    Vice Chairman
    American Independent Party of California

  190. Cody Quirk

    Peroutka had the support of Scott Whiteman & John Lofton; both were anti-Mormon theocrats that attempted to purge the CP of Mormons & other Christians they didn’t like, and Peroutka backed them and their agenda for the CP.

    Peroutka is certainly a religious bigot, and someone that preaches theocracy under the guise of constitutionalism- like Riley Hood and the others do.

  191. Cody Quirk

    Yet the friendship of Cynthia Davis and other leading CP’ers with Peroutka does indicate that he may return to the CP eventually.

  192. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quark

    Michael Peroutka is not a bigot. In his campaign in 2004 both he and Chuck Baldwin came out for the rebuilding of the
    Temple in Jerusalem. No bigot would support the rebuilding of the Temple.
    My current problem with the CP is mainly the organized lock-out of Michael Peroutka in December, 2006 at Concord, NH.

    The issue that went on in Tampa, FL about the Independent American Party of Nevada in my mind was a RED HERRING, viz., the AIP founders daughter who served as CP Secretary was Pro Choice. It was the POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.

    Michael Peroutka goal and mine at Tampa, FL was the same have a Party that was 100 % Pro Life and not 99.9 % pure. We just disagreed on how to come about doing it. I wanted it done on the State Level and he wanted it done on the national level.

    Because of the events at Kansas City in 2008, the American Independent Party of California departed from the CP to do its
    own thing. We wish the CP well and hope they can clear up there internal problems.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
    Vice Chairman
    American Independent Party of California.

  193. Cody Quirk

    He was a anti-Mormon bigot, Mark. I have evidence of that, plus have you not read the smear articles and rants of John Lofton and Scott Whiteman- those pigs beared false witness by calling us Devil Worshippers.

    Only shows that some bigoted idiots really don’t act Christian or adhere to Christian teaching at all.

  194. paulie

    I wish you would address my Jan 28 post above. I’m a bit surprised that no one has taken a shot at it so far.

    I could, but it seems that it would take far more effort than it’s worth and lead to a bunch of long winded back and forth.

  195. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie

    I do not know who “Spence” is. Therefore, if he stays or goes is not my concern. I hope this answers your question.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  196. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    I have only talked with Scott twice in my life and he was friendly. John did not agree with Bill at Tampa. So what. That was
    in 2006. Life goes on. Nevada IAP cleared up it’s own problems with Christopher.

    I do not believe that either Scott or John believes that we are Satanist. I have no idea why the Book of Job is getting into
    this issue on the CP posts.

    I understand that IAP removed you as Carson City County Chairman, is that correct?

    Let’s get back to the main problem how do we get the CP to become an effective national political party so they
    will not lose state affiliates or in the alternative build up an alternative to the CP that can get a 3rd party on all ballots
    in 2016?

    Things in AIP are looking up. We have lost King, Grundmann, and Nightingale. That is good!

    Is Scott, John, & Michael your new area of attack, since you stopped attacking Ed Noonan the former Chairman of the
    AIP?

    Sincerely,

    Mark Seidenberg
    Vice Chairman
    American Independent Party of California

  197. Krzysztof Lesiak

    That the CP has religious zealots is a non-debate fact. But white nationalism/supremacism isn’t a problem in the party. I think Josh wrote a rather poor article.

    On a side note, he now lists himself as a proggressive on Facebook and likes a Bernie Sanders page, among others. So I guess it’s not surprising he got most of his info from leftist organizations like the SPLC.

  198. paulie

    he now lists himself as a proggressive on Facebook

    Hmmm. Didn’t know that. I would be curious how that came about.

  199. Jill Pyeatt

    I also find it curious that Joshua could make such a big leap from being a constitutional to being a Progressive. Interesting.

  200. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt March 13, 2014 at 7:13 pm
    I also find it curious that Joshua could make such a big leap from being a constitutional to being a Progressive. Interesting.”

    Yeah, that is quite a leap. Makes me wonder if this is the work of a government plant.

  201. Michael Weaver

    To be free or not to be free… Are Americans a free people or are they not, that is the question.  Do Americans still have the right to petition their government for redress of grievances, or do they not?
         These questions were answered on the morning of March 10 when this writer received a knock on his door.  Outside stood two men, one clad in civilian attire, the other in the uniform of a Muscogee County sheriffs deputy.  The first deputy was grasping a small stack of envelopes.  “We need to have a word with you sir,” he said.
         The envelopes contained copies of an article I had written for The First Freedom, an article that was published in the December, 2013 edition of this alternative newspaper.  Almost 200 copies of this article were made, and subsequently mailed, to every judge in Columbus, as well as all 10 city council members.  The article recounted the exploits and travails of then-Columbus, Georgia-based white rights activist Michael Weaver, and was juxtaposed with the story of Jeffrey Foxx, a black racist rogue Columbus police corporal who resigned from the police department in May, 2013 amid charges of racial profiling and the violation of the civil rights of white citizens.  While on patrol in the northern part of Columbus, Foxx told a female friend to whom he was talking on his cell phone:  “They make me work these white areas, somebody’s going to pay the price.”  He added:  “I’m hooking these white folks up with tickets.”
         Although Foxx violated several state and federal laws via his targeting of white citizens, he was never prosecuted.
         The two-tiered system of justice that prevails in Columbus, Georgia treated Michael Weaver much differently.  Weaver’s politically incorrect activism had for years been a thorn in the side of–a source of frustration to–local law enforcement and other Columbus power-brokers.  They eagerly awaited their chance to silence him, put an end to his activism by whatever means necessary.
         Their chance came late one afternoon when Weaver, sitting in his car after leaving a friend’s house, was accosted by two black thugs who attempted to carjack his vehicle.  Weaver sprayed one of the thugs with pepper spray, then fled the scene.  He returned to his friend’s house about an hour later, where he was arrested by a black cop who entered the house without a warrant.  Weaver was charged with simple battery, a misdemeanor.  The “victim” sustained no injuries from the spray and declined medical treatment.  Weaver’s bond was low, and he was released from jail a few hours later.  He was assigned to appear in State Court the following month.
         The power-brokers who befoul Columbus had other plans for Weaver, though.  At the urging of Cathy Bush, a white female police detective who had hated Weaver for years, his misdemeanor case was referred to the district attorney’s office.  Weaver now faced a felony aggravated assault charge. 
         Weaver’s hearings before Superior Court Judge Bobby Peters on Nov. 14 and 15 of 2011 were a Soviet Union-style travesty–mockery–of justice.  Weaver’s public defender, Robin King, told him that his case was a slam-dunk, an easy win even for a first-year law student.  She and her co-counsel, Ray lakes, were eager to go to trial.  Judge Peters and the prosecuting attorney, Michael Craig, were not.  They knew they had a weak case at best.  They knew that both of Weaver’s attackers had long criminal records, and were on felony probation at the time of the
    attack.  They knew, too, that even the testimony of then-Columbus-based Rabbi Jeffrey Salkin would be of little actionable value.  It is not illegal to conduct an online debate with an opponent.  Salkin now resides in the area of West Orange, New Jersey, where he heads that state’s chapter of the infamous Anti-Defamation League ( ADL ).
         The jury forewoman contacted Peters.  The jury was awaiting its call.  Peters shifted nervously on his throne, then called a recess.  He beckoned Craig and counselors Lakes and King into his chambers.
         A few minutes later the four emerged from Peters’ chambers.  The dynamic of the hearing had  suddenly and very dramatically changed.  King, Weaver’s lead counsel, had changed her mind about going to trial.  She now insisted that her client plead guilty to the aggravated assault charge.  Frightened by the gravity of his situation and confused by the abrupt change in the direction of the hearing—Weaver agreed to plead guilty to a crime he did not commit. 
         It is abundantly obvious that deals and promises were made in Judge Peters closed-door chambers, and that Weaver’s “defense” attorneys betrayed him, sold him out, an egregious violation of their oath of office and the right of a defendant to a fair trial. 
         Before leaving this writer’s house, the deputies “requested” that, should he seek to correspond with his taxpayer-funded “public servants”—he should send his correspondence to the Muscogee County Sheriffs Department, whence they will forward it to its intended recipient.  Yes, of course they will.
         To be free or not to be free–that is the question…

  202. paulie

    I realize “white supremacy movement” is part of the headline, but please refrain from posting random white supremacist ravings in the comments here unless they somehow relate to the Constitution Party.

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