On Thursday May 22nd Judge James Gray appeared as a guest for three hours on Coast to Coast AM, a late night, national (about 600 radio stations) talk show.
A transcript Judge Gray’s comments about the drug war, the pending lawsuit against the Commission on Presidential Debates, the likelihood of a Gary Johnson 2016 campaign, Obamacare, Edward Snowden’s role as both a hero and a traitor, his and Governor Johnson’s advocacy of the Fair Tax, and other issues is provided below.
FIRST HOUR HIGHLIGHTS
At the beginning of the second hour of the four hour program, Judge Gray was introduced by show host George Noory as, “. . . a Republican candidate for Congress and a Libertarian candidate for the US Senate back in 2004.” No mention of his run as the 2012 LP Vice-Presidential candidate was made in the introduction. At about five minutes in, Judge Gray said:
“I would not legalize drugs; I would strictly regulate and control them like we do with cigarettes and with alcohol. But Governor Gary Johnson, and you did not mention that I was the Libertarian candidate for Vice-President in the last election, 2012, along with Governor Gary Johnson from New Mexico. He would say, and he is right, that certainly drug problems are with us but only 10 percent are the drugs themselves. We are not minimizing how harmful they can be, but 90 percent is drug prohibition; is drug money and that is what is really causing us the problems. . . it makes just as much sense to me to have the government be able to control what I, as an adult, put into my body as it does what I put into my mind; it is none of their business. . . You could bulldoze Columbia and Afghanistan for that matter; it would not make any difference because as long as the demand is there, the demand will be met. . . . As long as the money is there people are going to raise this stuff.”
Judge Gray is the author of, “Why our drug laws have failed and what we can do about it” available (from Amazon) HERE.
Judge Gray then discussed the California initiative in 2016 to “treat marijuana like wine” and predicted that by the end of 2016, marijuana prohibition will be a thing of the past nationwide and after that we will look back “aghast” at how the drug war failed.
Noory: “Marijuana; how would you handle that legalization?”
Gray: “Each state should be able to choose how best to serve and protect its people. . . . If I am king of California, I would have a government package store or a private location which is licensed heavily that sells nothing but marijuana. They cannot advertise it under any circumstances. You do not glamorize it. In my world I would put it in brown packaging with an 800 number for people who have drug problems. Sell it by word of mouth . . . regulate it, control it and tax it.”
Gray: “I would put it under the control of the medical community. . . who could then prescribe it.”
Noory: “Heroin, same thing?”
Gray: “Same thing.”
Gray: “Medical doctors prescribe methamphetamine already.”
Gray: “That is a methamphetamine; I’d do the same thing.”
Noory: “Oh is it? Would anybody go to jail for use?”
Gray: “For possession and use as long as they are an adult the answer in my world would be, “No.” You hold people accountable for their actions but not for what they put into their bodies.
Noory: “What about the distributor or the manufacturer?”
Gray: “If they are going to sell to minors, I am going to enforce that rigorously. If they don’t stay within the system or they advertise it, I am going to hold them rigorously accountable.”
Noory: “Could anyone make this if they were properly licensed?”
Gray: “I do not know George; what state are you in? Can you raise your own wine? If the answer is, “yes” then you could grow your own marijuana just like wine. . . Can you make your own bourbon? Yes you can. Can you sell it? No you can’t. Can you give it away to your neighbors? Well, to some degree you can. . . I would treat it like wine.”
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“85 percent of the people who use any kind of illicit substance whatsoever use only marijuana, so the numbers of those using every other kind of drug will not justify this colossal bureaucracy that we have to fight the war on drugs.”
Judge Gray then discussed the experiences of Holland and Portugal in terms of decreases in drug use post-legalization.
He also mentioned how he had played basketball with OJ Simpson when he was a student at USC and how a friend told him that the flecks of blood in the Bronco had preservative in them; which he concluded meant that the LAPD had planted it there. He shared his belief that the verdict was correct in terms of having been found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (despite his apparent guilt) because of the misdeeds the LAPD had committed. He then briefly discussed the racism inherent in the drug war regarding the higher percentage of people of color who are imprisoned today.
Judge Gray promoted the Fair tax saying, “Governor Johnson and I said that we would repeal the 16th Amendment and go to a consumption tax, a Fair Tax, (of) about 23 percent on the things we purchase. . . The three groups against it are the IRS agents, the tax accountants and members of Congress who can vote tax breaks for their wealthy constituents. “
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Gray: “I am going to try to get Governor Johnson to run in 2016.”
Noory: “Are you going to run with him again?”
Gray: “I told him that if he asks me, I will; but if he can find someone else that can bring in more glamor, or media, or money, to go with that person; I will still support him.”
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Noory: “Both of these major issues that we have talked about so far, drugs and the IRS, not one major candidate from the two major parties addresses these areas.”
Gray: “You’re right.”
Noory: “They don’t talk about it with one little exception, Ron Paul.”
Gray: “I personally believe that there is always a Winston Churchill or a Margaret Thatcher or a Golda Meir around; they’re just not elected, they don’t get into office. Governor Gary Johnson is the person who will help lead our country back to the prosperity and equal opportunity that liberty, and we haven’t talked about that yet, is slipping through our fingers. He is the man of our times and I need to get him elected president, not for our benefit so much but for our children and for our country.”
Noory: “Not a lot of people know him.”
Gray: “They will; get us a part of the debates; they will be talking about him. . . . We will put in a collation government, Libertarians, Republicans and Democrats as long as they understand and agree with our approach of financial responsibility and social acceptance.”
Noory: “Let’s face it; we are in a police state.”
Gray: “As Governor Johnson says, when it comes to our Civil Liberties, we are flaming liberals. We would repeal this so-called “Patriot Act” that allows the NSA seemingly to go into our bank records, telephone, emails. We would repeal the idea that you are going to have drones surveilling people unless they are attached to a judicial warrant with probable cause. President Obama has embraced these things.”
Noory: “He has not decided yet?”
Gray: “He has not decided yet, but I am doing my best.”
Noory: “Is there somebody out there like him?”
Gray: “I like Rand Paul who has a lot of good ideas. . . Ron Paul knew he was not going to be elected so he could take positions that were maybe more extreme.”
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE COMMISSION LAWSUIT
Gray: “We have a case pending that was filed in Los Angeles and is going to be transferred to Washington, DC, where Gary Johnson and I, as well as the Libertarian Party, and we are inviting the Green Party, are suing the Presidential Debates Commission as well as the Republican National Party and the Democratic National Party to make them change their criteria, which is always a kind of moving target. The Presidential Debate Commission is made up today of high-ranking Republicans and Democrats only, and coincidentally they only invite Republicans and Democrats to be part of the debates.”
Gray: “I am a functional libertarian; I believe in things that work. If you want to talk about health care or social security or whatever; it is not that we are against Obamacare so much, although we are; it’s that we have alternatives. You have got to have alternatives to show people that we care about them too.”
Noory: “This where I think that people who care about people would understand Obamacare, though it is screwed up and it is a disaster. Everybody should be able to have access to medical attention. Nobody should be turned down because they don’t have money. If somebody needs a new kidney or a liver transplant, why should they be turned down for that? I think this country owes it to take care of people, but we have to do it in a different way.”
Gray: “I agree with one exception; I do not think we owe it to them legally, but I do think that we owe it to them morally because that is who we are. I was in the Peace Corps; I care about people. We can afford it; we should do it, but get the government out of it. I tell people, how many people want to have the department of motor vehicles running health care. Bring back the private sector, it will reduce the price, bring back choices and the good things will happen.”
In the second hour, Judge Gray briefly discussed Edward Snowden, concluding that he had gone too far, to the point of treason and should not have left the country. (A full transcript of this portion of the interview is provided in the comments below at May 28, 2014; 12:11AM.). He then responded to questions about the President Kennedy and Clinton sex scandals, and expressed his support for the conclusions of the Warren Commission. He also proposed a “Privacy Amendment” to counter the advance of technologies such as Google Earth (maps), discussed the state of the US economy with comparisons to the Roman and Soviet empires explaining that, “Politicians do not care about the future; they only care about the next election.”
MORE ON GJ 2016
At the beginning of the second half of the second hour with Judge Gray (the third hour of the program), host George Noory stated:
Noory: “Jim, back in 2012 Governor Johnson pulled in a little less than one percent of the total vote; he’s going to have to be very, very big in order to get elected; why doesn’t he go back as a Republican, if you cannot get into these debates, for example?”
Gray: “That’s going to be up to Governor Gary Johnson; he tells me that he is a Libertarian and will stay a Libertarian. I believe that had the Republicans been smart in 2012 and nominated Gary Johnson that he would have beaten President Obama by ten points. I do not see the Republicans being serious about what Governor Johnson and I would do; they do not want to shrink the size of government; they do want to intrude on our liberties.”
Noory: “If he declares we will have you help get him on and we will chat with him. Ron Paul has come on this program before too.”
MORE ON RAND PAUL
Gray: “Ron Paul is a hero as is his son Rand. By the way with regard to Rand Paul, it is my understanding that his Senate seat in Kentucky is up in 2016 and (he could not run for both Senate and President simultaneously under Kentucky law). He is going to have to choose to either give up his seat in the Senate or stay there; and I think he will probably choose the latter.”
Judge Gray was then asked about Iran and Israel, and then about the top five things that need to change. He responded that his top five are 1) our schools, 2) repeal the tax code and go to the Fair Tax, 3) over regulation, 4) immigration reform with liberal work visas but no welfare, 5) health care (using examples of Lasik and cosmetic surgery as the part of health care with competition and low prices). Judge Gray then related how Governor Johnson created his own business and has now climbed the highest peaks on every continent except Antarctica.
In the third hour show host George Noory asked Judge Gray about his experiences as a judge (Gray: “We should reserve our prisons for people we are afraid of and not for people we are mad at.”) and then opened the show to questions from callers (one of whom reported having voted for Johnson/Gray). In answers to those caller questions Judge Gray expanded on his advocacy of the Fair Tax, concealed carry, ending the Federal Reserve, the need for what Thomas Jefferson called “a second revolution,” a Libertarian collation government, New Zealand as a model of good government, term limits, Cuba, and immigration reform.
At the end of the program, Judge Gray promoted his website, books and “Americans All,” a musical that he has authored, see:
The entire interview as three 40 minute mp3 audio files (20 minutes of each hour are commercials/news/promos, etc, that are not included in the downloads) is available (for a fee) from HERE