Matt Wright: Why I Won’t Vote for Just Any Libertarian

Augustus Invictus

From Matt Wright, Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of Pinellas County (Florida):

I sat in the banquet room of a local country club with a group of Libertarians who had come together for their monthly business meeting. This was not my local affiliate’s meeting, but there were a number of people who were in attendance who were also not members, so I did not feel out of place. We were all here for one reason; to hear a candidate, who is running for Senate as a Libertarian, speak.

I had heard stories of Augustus Sol Invictus (no, I did not make that up) since he had announced his candidacy a few months ago. I had heard he was dynamic, well-spoken, and friendly from people whose opinions I respect. I had also heard he is a good speaker, but his words, while poetic and educated, hold no substance from others. I immediately jumped on the opportunity to spend the majority of my day driving around western Florida to see with which of these accounts I fell most in line.

While I sat there in the swanky country club banquet room listening to Mr. Invictus speak I thought about how glad I was that I was neither a Republican or a Democrat. I will get back to that in a minute on why, but first let me talk about the speech that was given by a candidate who is currently entrenched in a campaign for the United States Senate.

Augustus was well dressed in a three-piece suit that was light gray with a slim fit. It’s a stylish look, and when juxtaposed with his trendy parted to the side haircut, it’s obvious he is a man who likes to keep up with the latest in men’s fashion. He approached the podium slowly, taking a moment to kiss his girlfriend before making his way to the front. He walked like a more arrogant, less talented Derek Jeter (that’s coming from a Red Sox fan, so know this should never be construed as a compliment).

He licked his lips with gumption and kicked off his speech with these words, “It is to inspire – and not to instill fear – that I ask: How far are you willing to go?”

The room fell silent; even my table of typically loud and outspoken commenters were listening with pure intent.

With that sentence Augustus was off. His accent, which is more fake than his name, sounded less convincing than Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained, and he faded in and out of it more frequently than Donald Trump showing his support of a flat or fair tax.

After a short introduction explaining who he was and what he did, he listed off a series of run-ins with different authorities, including his alma mater, landlord, FBI, and the U.S. Marshals. He spoke of these issues as though they were rites of passage in the life of a politician, but they were coming off as escalating signs of a man on the edge who was about to break.

I could tell his speech had been practiced, right down to the carefully calculated motions he made with his right hand. He came off as a member of a high school debate team who had spent the entire previous night practicing.

He attempted to convince the people that communists ran a successful campaign because of their willingness to die for their beliefs, unaware that the willingness to die for a cause may not be a sign of righteousness, but instead a sign of insanity. He followed up this statement with an open admission to his insanity, while insulting those who possess more sanity than he.

Although, I must admit I wasn’t completely sold on my opinion of him until he dropped the f-bomb in a speech about his run for U.S. Senate more times than Quentin Tarantino, a man who uses that word regularly, accepting an Oscar (which Quentin never did, because he understands professionalism).

Invictus has claimed he is a poet, but claims he believes “artists are impotent,” and “cannot change the lives of people.” His hypocrisy was blatant and obvious and came out of the mouth of a man who asked the audience, “Do you know why I am dangerous?”

Without pause he went on to address his question by stating, “It is not because anyone actually believes that I’m going to lose my mind and go on a shooting rampage. It is not because I have a hundred pounds of fertilizer in a toolshed ready for bomb-making.” It is my own personal belief these are reasons people would believe he is a threat, and his veiled admission to such things would only act as further evidence of the madness to which he himself is blind.

The speech was laden with insane thoughts he said with pride and glee as though he would be supported for saying whatever crazy thought passed through his brain, like a more insane and less filtered Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders. During his rant on how we all need to take LSD and practice sorcery I was proud to be a member of the Libertarian party and not a part of one of the establishment parties.

With the presidential election coming up next year, there will be many obedient Republicans and Democrats who fall in line with their party leaders and vote for the candidate party leadership tries to convince us legitimately won the primary. It does not matter that many people in the GOP are saying they despise Trump and would rather any other candidate win the nomination. If next November the ballot says Trump, Donald (R) they will be checking the box next to his name.

Similarly how many members of the left say they dislike Hillary and hope she soon drops out of the race due to the fact that the amount of baggage she is carrying is causing her to rent out larger planes. Next November though, if the ballot says Clinton, Hillary (D) the box will be checked and the justifications will begin; “I may not like her, but at least Bill will be back in the White House,” or “She has to be better than anyone from the right.”

As a Libertarian, I pride myself on having principles I believe in and I, as well as many of my colleagues, refuse to vote for a candidate who does not possess a majority of the beliefs to which I subscribe. I believe that votes are not guaranteed, they are earned by what you say and how you act. If you fail to earn my vote it is not a problem with the party of which you claim to be a member. It is a failure of your own to not secure my vote.

I will not vote for a person I feel would not make a good leader. If more people did the same instead of voting for whomever has the corresponding letter next to their name we would have a country run by leaders and not those who excel at fundraising.

I cannot speak for the Libertarian Party of Florida, nor the national Libertarian Party, but I for one refuse to endorse Augustus Sol Invictus for Senate. I understand this means I may be placing a vote for “None of the Above” but I would rather voice that no candidate is worthy of my vote than endorse someone I feel is not an appropriate leader. I especially believe this when the only thing the Libertarian In Name Only has said that I agree with is, “What I am saying is not half as crazy as the fact I am saying it in public.”

That is a statement I wholeheartedly endorse.

120 thoughts on “Matt Wright: Why I Won’t Vote for Just Any Libertarian

  1. Andy

    “With that sentence Augustus was off. His accent, which is more fake than his name, sounded less convincing than Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained, and he faded in and out of it more frequently than Donald Trump showing his support of a flat or fair tax.”

    I thought of the same thing when I watched Augustus on YouTube, that is that he reminded me of the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained.

    Can anyone confirm as to whether or not his accent is fake?

    Also, I have a hard time imagining that Augustus Sol Invictus is his given name from birth. Assuming that this is a fake name, or that he had his name legally changed to this, what is his real or original name?

  2. Greg Bowen

    He did legally change his name. It was previously Austin Gillespie.

    After the speech, he spoke in his normal voice. There is no accent. It is a very normal voice.

  3. Andy

    “Greg Bowen

    August 27, 2015 at 10:53 am

    He did legally change his name. It was previously Austin Gillespie.

    After the speech, he spoke in his normal voice. There is no accent. It is a very normal voice.”

    I assume that by normal voice you mean that he speaks what is widely considered to be standard American English.

  4. paulie

    He says he’s a white southerner (excuse me…White Southerner, capitalized in the middle of a sentence like white supremacists do, since presumably he is one). So, yeah, the accent, persona and everything are all affectations. I think he is trying to play an ancient Roman come to life in the modern world or something like that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnNWUUZ7cEA

  5. Greg Bowen

    Yes Andy. It has even less of a Southern tinge to it than what is normally heard here in Florida. I would liken it more to Mid-Western, or even the Non-Regional diction used by television news anchors. Which may be why he uses the accent, so his voice is unique.

    I would prefer he were unique by using his charismatic and professional appearance to further libertarian principles.

  6. paulie

    If he is actually a born and raised southerner, his normal “TV anchor” accent is probably not how he was raised speaking either, but he most likely studied and practiced speaking that way so much that it has become his normal speaking accent, unlike the fake Roman/British/wtfever thing he saves for speeches and special occassions. The “TV anchor” thing is not unusual for people who grew up with strong regional accents (southern, New England, Dakotas, etc) who are trying to seem more cultured or “smart sounding” or whatever you want to call it.

    Another possibility could be that he is not actually originally from the South, but is a neo-confederate from some other part of the US who moved to the South and considers himself a Southerner by choice.

  7. Greg Bowen

    paulie, I’m pretty sure he was born and raised in Florida, so I think your first theory is probably correct. My father did the same thing during college because of his accent. With Augustus being an attorney, it would make as much sense to cultivate a non-regional diction for the courtroom as an anchor would for a camera.

  8. Joe Wendt

    After watching the video of this speech, I can’t see any reason to blast Augustus:

    https://youtu.be/5Eyz4Tpo524

    A good motivational speech, encouraging people to fight for principles over selling out. Considering the criticism is coming from Wyllie’s backyard, I’m not surprised that, yet again, certain people are critical of the Augustus, the only candidate actively campaigning for the nomination for US Senate. They could do something more productive, like recruit and raise money for an alternative candidate that actually wants to campaign for the nomination. Of course, given the collective intelligence (or rather lack thereof) of that group in the LPF, the best they can do is snipe and criticize a speech. How mature of them.

  9. Jill Pyeatt

    Joe, with all due respect…I won’t consider any suggestions from a Santorum supporter. I don’t like to be mean, Dude, but …Santorum.

  10. paulie

    I won’t consider any suggestions from a Santorum supporter. I don’t like to be mean, Dude, but…Santorum.

    Yeah….seriouly! Santorum + Sanitarium (Invictus) …

    Definition: Santorum
    Pronunciation: san-TOR-um
    Function: noun
    Etymology:
    Savage Love – 05/29/03

    1. The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.

    2. Former Senator Rick Santorum

    I think Santorum keeps running just to keep spreadingsantorum.com from being the top result for Santorum on google.

    The writing may be on the wall though: http://www.kcci.com/politics/old-santorum-perry-donors-defecting-to-other-candidates/34910074

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/santorum

    srsly wtf? It’s not like his economic ideas are especially libertarian, even for a NSGOP candidate, and his non-economic views are particularly anti-liberty, even for a NSGOP candiate. And Invictus? Well…um….um… where to even begin?

  11. Chuck Moulton

    Augustus Invictus is batshit crazy. That isn’t changed by who supports him and who opposes him. Res ipsa loquitor (the thing speaks for itself).

    I think Joe Wendt is just contrarian, supporting everything Adrian Wyllie opposes and opposing everything Adrian Wyllie supports. It’s pretty sad. Maybe Adrian Wyllie can tell Joe Wendt that he opposes Joe jumping off a bridge.

  12. Joe Wendt

    Jill, I like his economic proposals and vision (for the millionth time), that’s it. I’ve given up on finding a candidate who’s remotely decent on foreign policy, social policy, military policy, government spending, etc. Politicians sound great & promise the world, and fail dismally in following through. When we live in a society that people like Santorum seem to be the only consistent adult in the GOP race (out of 17/18 candidates), and were Donald Trump & Bernie Sanders are actual serious threats to the establishment, it’s a sad indictment of our society as a whole. I just give up, the majority can have whomever they want and the country can burn, I just want to make my money and eventually leave this country with my family when I save up enough.

    Paulie, haha, funny. It’s nice to know you now support being another brick in the wall of the statist system, and encourage deriding anyone who speaks out about fighting the system.

  13. Brian C. Cole

    Well I have lived here for over seven years. I was born in Birmingham, and then spent five years in “LA” (Lower Alabama). So when you’re talking to me, I can say with honesty my Southern accent isn’t fake. And since I speak to my family in Alabama almost every day, that helps me keep my accent going after all this time in Tampa Bay.

  14. Joe Wendt

    Paulie,

    Santorum is a vulgarization of Sanctorum, or of the Saints. You can bad mouth a person’s political position, that’s fine and fair, but spreading that bs about his name is a sign of stupidity.

  15. Dana Moxley Cummings

    My absence from IPR has been much to long. I forget how spirited conversations can get around here!

    I haven’t spent a great deal of time analyzing or trying to figure out Mr. Invictus, but this is what I believe to be true from my brief interaction with him at the LPF convention and from social media thereafter:

    -He is a sharp dresser
    -He is a good competitor
    -He holds some Libertarian beliefs
    -He holds some not-so-libertarian beliefs
    -He is a decent ametur actor
    -His accent to me, sounds like Savanah, GA with a hint of Louisiana.
    -He embodies more charisma than 90% of the Libertarian candidates I have seen.
    -He is well read
    -He has an inflated ego
    -His marketing skills are above average
    -His PR skills are below average
    -He is action oriented.
    -He woukd make a great spokesperson for a sect of some kind, or possibly a policy stance.
    -He would make a poor spokesperson for the Libertarian party.

    Should Mr. Invictus seek certification from the LPF Selection Committee, I will be afforded the chance to analyze his candidacy methodically.

    …and Joe,….Santorum eh? Wow.
    Could be worse I suppose! Lol

  16. paulie

    but spreading that bs about his name is a sign of …

    …well deserved ridicule that he brought on himself with his crazy, ridiculous, mega huge government comments and policy positions about making so-called “sodomy” illegal, comparing consenting LGBT adults to child molesters and other such nonsense. The offense to his name is small when compared to the offense he gave to millions of LGBT people, friends, family and neighbors, and sought with the considerable power he has had to back it up with the full deadly force of the state.

  17. Jed Ziggler Post author

    Rick Santorum is the reason I became active in the third party movement. I was brainwashed by my parents and their devotion to Rush Limbaugh from a young age. Mom and Dad were dedicated, proud conservative Republicans, though Mom was less of a social conservative, especially in her later years. I was raised to believe that everything the Republicans (except certain “RINOs” did was right, and everything the Democrats did was evil and wrong. I did have some exposure to one alternative candidate: I was homeschooled by my mother, and as part of my civics class we went to a campaign rally for Howard Phillips. At the time the CP was less fringy than it is today, but I was still a dedicated Republican acolyte. As I came into being as a gay person, I hid myself and felt shame for who I was. I still devoted myself to the GOP, but did register as an independent. My first time voting was a local election (straight Republican), and the next year I again blindly cast my ballot for the GOP, including Rick Santorum for Senate. He lost that year, and it wasn’t until after I had cast my vote that I began to look up where he stood on issues. I was horrified! I had known the GOP was anti-gay, but what he was saying was off the chart levels of lunacy. Further, I found that that lunacy was par for the course within the GOP. I swore then that I would have nothing more to do with the Republicans, but knew I was not a Democrat, so I began to look for a third party that matched my values. After discovering that the Constitution Party was just as homophobic as the Republicans (Phillips hadn’t mentioned it in his speech), I found the Libertarian Party. So, thanks Rick!

  18. paulie

    I like his economic proposals and vision (for the millionth time), that’s it.

    His economic positions aren’t especially libertarian, even for a NSGOP candidate. And even if they were, it’s ridiculous to believe that only economic issues matter. Other issues are just as or more important to many of us.

    When we live in a society that people like Santorum seem to be the only consistent adult in the GOP race

    Only if you use an impressive array of funhouse lenses.

    Donald Trump & Bernie Sanders are actual serious threats to the establishment,

    Or so some people in the establishment would have you believe.

    It’s nice to know you now support being another brick in the wall of the statist system

    I don’t support anything I haven’t supported for longer than you have known of me. And no, I don’t in any way shape or form “support being another brick in the wall of the statist system.” Opposing bad statist ideas such as eugenics, white supremacy, neo-confederatism, etc., etc., or opposing the statist ideas of Santorum isn’t the same thing at all. In fact, it’s the opposite.

  19. paulie

    My absence from IPR has been much too long.

    We’ll forgive you this time, but please remember to keep up a better attendance record from now on 🙂

  20. paulie

    Augustus Invictus is batshit crazy. That isn’t changed by who supports him and who opposes him. Res ipsa loquitor (the thing speaks for itself).

    True…

    I think Joe Wendt is just contrarian, supporting everything Adrian Wyllie opposes and opposing everything Adrian Wyllie supports. It’s pretty sad.

    I think it goes deeper than that. It wouldn’t, for example, explain Mr. Wendt’s past support for such luminaries as Alan Keyes, Herman Cain, Billy Roper, et tedious cetera. And if Adrian has any special dislike for Senator Frothy Mix above and beyond all other NSGOP clown car crew members, it’s news to me.

  21. paulie

    I was horrified! I had known the GOP was anti-gay, but what he was saying was off the chart levels of lunacy. Further, I found that that lunacy was par for the course within the GOP. I swore then that I would have nothing more to do with the Republicans, but knew I was not a Democrat, so I began to look for a third party that matched my values. After discovering that the Constitution Party was just as homophobic as the Republicans (Phillips hadn’t mentioned it in his speech), I found the Libertarian Party. So, thanks Rick!

    Fair enough. However, Joe Wendt’s support for Santorum is, as far as I know, completely serious, as is his friendship and support for Invictus.

  22. Joe Wendt

    Jed,

    You blindly cast your vote for Santorum without knowing about his positions… OK and? In 2006, I probably wouldn’t have voted for Santorum in PA. Hell, I wasn’t dumb enough to vote for Katherine Harris that year in either the primary or the election, because I was informed.

    Paulie,

    Considering one could define your name is a similar fashion, I wouldn’t spread such bs.

  23. Jill Pyeatt

    ^^I’m a recovering Republican, too. Much of it was judgement of my life–getting pregnant as an unmarried person. Horrors! Curiously, the people I knew from churches were nice to me. I think they assumed my pregnancy was an accident, and I chose not to abort, so my (true) Christian friends were very supportive. But, our family continued to consist of only two people, and the Republicans in my life couldn’t handle that.

    Libertarians are much more tolerant of different types of families, as we all know.

  24. Jed Ziggler Post author

    “Libertarians are much more tolerant of different types of families, as we all know.”

    Some libertarians are, others are less tolerant themselves, even if they’re against government prohibitions against “alternative lifestyles” (a term I generally prefer not to use).

  25. Alexander Snitker

    If there are two or more Libertarian candidates running for the US Senate then there will be a primary August 30, 2016.

    What does it take to qualify?

    During the qualifying period, Noon, 20 June, 2016 – Noon, 24 June, 2016, each candidates has two options.

    1. Pay $10,440

    2. Turn in 119,316 petitions

    As of today we have only one candidate who is listed as a Libertarian running for the US Senate. We have until June 24th 2016 for other candidates to decide to run.

  26. Thane "Goldie" Eichenauer

    I recently spent 30 minutes on the phone with a fellow Phoenix, Arizona voter of a libertarianism persuasion discussing candidate and ballot choices. This fellow has done candidate and issue campaigning gathering signatures and promoting candidates. He asked me why aren’t there any libertarian candidates on his ballot. I told him that there are two steps that must be true for a libertarian candidate to be on the ballot. Someone has to ask him to be on the ballot (or for him to wish to be on the ballot without prompting) and that person has to be willing to be put on the ballot. I told him I regularly ask people to consider being a candidate and that 99% of everybody isn’t willing to consider the option for reasons of shyness, an inflated sense of others intelligence, fear of past mistakes being publicized or humility. So far Augustus Invictus would not appear to suffer from of any of the above conditions.

    This article has comments that are more concise and to the point than the original article. I thank Dana Moxley Cummings for the contribution.

    As for whether Augustus Invictus manages to appear on the Florida general ballot come November 2016 I have to say that it will have far more to do with finding a willing and motivated alternative candidate than how many times people find 1 or 15 faults in the words, positions and gestures of Augustus Invictus. If there are folks who look at the 2016 primary election results in Florida and find that Augustus Invictus has been declared the winner and say “I can’t believe it.” I say to them “Believe it. It takes more than I don’t care for candidate X for someone else to win.”

  27. trying again

    I don’t think much of Santorum’s positions. But I did have a chance to interact with him for a few minutes during the last Presidential election cycle and he did seem like a rather grounded and “adult” person.

    Especially compared to Michelle Bachmann, who I also had a chance to interact with. She came off as every bit as crazy and unhinged as she seems on television.

  28. Joe Wendt

    I doubt there is an alternative in the wings, otherwise the LPF leadership would be fawning all over him/her, and trying to anoint them as the nominee.

    Augustus is a good guy, and wants to be nominee, and is actively campaigning to win the hearts & minds of LP voters. The world will not end if he’s the nominee

  29. Caryn Ann Harlos

    Chuck,

    ==Augustus Invictus is batshit crazy. That isn’t changed by who supports him and who opposes him. Res ipsa loquitor (the thing speaks for itself).===

    To the Latin, I add an “amen.”

  30. Andy Craig

    “The world will not end if he’s the nominee.”

    Funny, because he seems to think the opposite:

  31. paulie

    “The world will not end if he’s the nominee.”

    Funny, because he seems to think the opposite

    Do his end of the world predictions hinge on whether he is the nominee?

  32. paulie

    There might be another candidate waiting in the wings.

    Besides Roger Stone? Who else? Or do you mean that in the sort of general sense that is universally true?

  33. paulie

    I don’t think much of Santorum’s positions. But I did have a chance to interact with him for a few minutes during the last Presidential election cycle and he did seem like a rather grounded and “adult” person.

    Especially compared to Michelle Bachmann, who I also had a chance to interact with. She came off as every bit as crazy and unhinged as she seems on television.

    Taking your assessments with more than a few grains of salt given the source (at least if it’s the troll character speaking; if it’s the real person behind the troll character I’d be more inclined to give it weight), maybe Santorum is in on the joke that is his public/political persona. I mean Santorum Jelly? Seriously? LOL….

  34. Bill Wohlsifer

    Matt Wright. As usual you write a well thought out, meaningful, yet entertaining article. Not entertaining in the illusory sense, but entertaining like a pleasant read that does not drain the reader’s patience. And you write uniquely from your own observations, divorced from other’s commentary. I applaud you for taking the drive to Polk county to “see for yourself.” As to your critique of Mr. Invictus, you are critical but kind. Kind in the sense that draw no conclusions that the candidate’s perceived shortcomings are not curable; perhaps not curable for this race, but I suspect his quest to be heard does not end in 2016. I addressed the Polk County at that classy country club. (The only place I campaigned at nicer was when presenting at the NAACP’s annual conference held at a luxury Panama City Beach resort.) Polk County affiliate was kind to me. I have the ultimate respect for them.

  35. paulie

    Considering one could define your name is a similar fashion,

    You can try. Good luck getting as much traction as SpreadingSantorum has. I’ve been on board with the spreading santorum movement literally since day one that Dan Savage announced the contest winner for the santorum redefinition, and it’s awesome to see how far and wide we have spread santorum. We’ll keep spreading the bull santorum til the cows come home….

  36. Thane "Goldie" Eichenauer

    I find those portions of the article and the comments that I find least useful to be those that characterize Invictus as crazy or insane. If you disagree with his position, why not simply state which position and why you disagree with the position. Arguing that he is crazy and leaving it at that is weak argumentation.

  37. paulie

    It’s been done in past threads and doesn’t gain strength from endless repetition.

    Besides, seriously arguing against insane ravings isn’t very sane.

  38. Thane "Goldie" Eichenauer

    Paulie,
    If a person cannot specify or otherwise identify what the raving is then that writing is unhelpful to me. If some people aren’t influenced by my request or your request to clarify their points I don’t mind that. I believe when it comes to Augustus Invictus and the commenters and article writers I value reading here at IPR that a request from me has the possibility to improve the writing I generally value. I generally value your writing, comments and opinion. If your comments or any other valuable contributor at IPR comments becomes 10% more specific or reduces the unsupported use of the crazy claim even once about Augustus Invictus then my request will have been well worth it.

    Being a member of the Libertarian Party I want the very best Libertarian candidates possible and to further that goal I want critiques and comments about Libertarian Party candidates to be of the highest usefulness.

  39. Caren Smith

    The biases, branding, insults, name calling, personal attacks, mischaracterizations, dramatization and sensationalism eclipse even Augustus’ college paper.

  40. Chuck Moulton

    Thane Eichenauer wrote:

    I find those portions of the article and the comments that I find least useful to be those that characterize Invictus as crazy or insane. If you disagree with his position, why not simply state which position and why you disagree with the position. Arguing that he is crazy and leaving it at that is weak argumentation.

    I’ve discussed the specifics elsewhere (e.g., based on his own words on his website and in his videos, he is rascist and advocates for eugenics, both of which I find abhorent). I don’t see the need to repeat those specifics in every thread.

    However, I do see the need to repeat he is batshit crazy because 1) he keeps giving us new evidence of that and 2) I want any new person who wanders by these threads to see that many people find him batshit crazy so that the LP (and myself, for any friends that associate me with the LP with him by the transitive property) are not harmed by any perceived association with him.

  41. Andy Craig

    @Thane

    People aren’t calling Augustus crazy as an insult. I actually feel bad for him. The man legitimately exhibits signs of ongoing mental illness, or to put the most charitable spin on it: a history of bizarre behavior, as has been hashed over in the comments many times here at IPR since he announced his candidacy and we all googled his name for the first time. He needs help, and I really do hope he gets it. That isn’t a question of what issues he’s running on, if you could even call it that. (his policy pronouncements range from horrifying to absurd).

    If you look through the past IPR threads on the topic (just punch his name into the search box above), you’ll see it all discussed at greater length than any of us probably want to repeat here. But this is a good place to start, since it’s pretty much when his story as a public figure starts:

    http://business.financialpost.com/legal-post/florida-lawyer-vows-to-bring-a-second-civil-war

  42. Greg Bowen

    “I have prophesied for years that I was born for a Great War; that if I did not witness the coming of the Second American Civil War I would begin it myself. Mark well: That day is fast coming upon you. On the New Moon of May, I shall disappear into the Wilderness. I will return bearing Revolution, or I will not return at all.”

    If that quote does not make you question his sanity, that’s cool. I’m of the opinion that the label of batshit crazy is well earned by that statement alone. And there’s plenty more for those who wish to look for it. And although some may be able to justify it as self-defense, personally I view such a generalized call for a Second Civil War, with no statement of intent or clear grievances to be addressed by this war, as much a violation of the NAP as any other banging of war drums.

  43. Sean Scallon

    It’s not a question of the world ending if he’s LP nominee for the U.S. Senate, it’s a question of whether the LP has grown up enough to be able to leave behind these joke candidates which reinforce the idea the LP is still a fringe party. In the entire state of Florida there isn’t one other Libertarian who isn’t out of his gourd who can run? Because they’d better find one in a year’s time if they want to take advantage of this open seat to increase their vote totals.

  44. paulie

    If a person cannot specify or otherwise identify what the raving is then that writing is unhelpful to me.

    Can’t and won’t take the time to do it yet again after it’s already been done a bunch of times are two different things. PLease read the prior threads http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?s=invictus for additional information regarding precisely why a lot of people here think Invictus’ views are way off. If you have any specific questions after reading all those articles and comment threads please let me know.

    I believe when it comes to Augustus Invictus and the commenters and article writers I value reading here at IPR that a request from me has the possibility to improve the writing I generally value. I generally value your writing, comments and opinion. If your comments or any other valuable contributor at IPR comments becomes 10% more specific or reduces the u

    I’ll grant that if you only read this article, no one has bothered to lay out mch in the way of details here, but as I previously said, it’s been done in past threads. Do you really expect it to have to be repeated every time we have another article about him?

  45. paulie

    I generally value your writing, comments and opinion.

    Thank you.

    If your comments or any other valuable contributor at IPR comments becomes 10% more specific or reduces the unsupported use of the crazy claim even once about Augustus Invictus then my request will have been well worth it.

    Hopefully the link to past articles will supply you with sufficient specificity.

  46. Joe Wendt

    “Hopefully the link to past articles will supply you with sufficient specificity.”

    The past articles which you keep citing do not prove any accusation against Augustus. However, it does reveal biases, branding, insults, name calling, personal attacks, mischaracterizations, dramatization and sensationalism all because of a paper Augustus wrote in college. Never mind the fact that Augustus has been traveling around the state to win the support and confidence of Libertarians. Never mind the fact that Augustus is running on a Libertarian platform that makes no mention of eugenics or any other fascistic beliefs:

    http://invictusforsenate.com/focal-points/

    Let’s just focus on a college paper and his taste in poetry. And considering the likely Democratic nominee is Alan Grayson, the poster child of “batshit crazy” Democrats and a prime example of a walking embarrassment to any political party, I highly doubt Augustus would be viewed as the “looney” in the race.

  47. paulie

    The past articles which you keep citing do not prove any accusation against Augustus.

    Anyone who wants to read them can judge for themselves.

    all because of a paper Augustus wrote in college

    Nope. Based on his statements that he has made as a senatorial candidate primarily.

    Never mind the fact that Augustus has been traveling around the state to win the support and confidence of Libertarians.

    I gather he’s not having much luck with that objective.

    Never mind the fact that Augustus is running on a Libertarian platform that makes no mention of eugenics or any other fascistic beliefs:

    He wrote this during his campaign, not in college:

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/07/augustus-invictus-a-declaration-of-the-failings-of-the-federal-government/

    I highly doubt Augustus would be viewed as the “looney” in the race.

    Oh, he would be, by a country mile.

  48. Greg Bowen

    On Monday night Augustus again took the position that he does not trust the government to run a eugenics program. That he continues to make it a point and refuses to accept that there is no libertarian way to implement a eugenics program shows how much of a neophyte he is politically and as a libertarian. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for us to want a candidate that has enough experience to articulate libertarian positions. Two weeks ago I had to articulate a libertarian position on the 2nd Amendment for him in the LPF Facebook group because when asked his response was “I’ll have to think on that and get back to you.”

    His libertarian positions are as milquetoast as they come, evidence of his recent exposure to the philosophy. The simple and standard issues that make people seek the LP such as the drug war and foreign policy are easy to point out and articulate. A libertarian candidate should be familiar enough with libertarian principles to be able to articulate a libertarian position on any question thrown their way at any time, or they are not ready to be a candidate yet.

  49. paulie

    On Monday night Augustus again took the position that he does not trust the government to run a eugenics program.

    That’s good, but then why is he talking about it at all as a political candidate? As far as the general public is concerned that’s like saying he does not trust the government to run KKK rallies.

  50. Jill Pyeatt

    Has anyone invited Mr. Invictus to join us in this discussion? I’ll email him if you’d all like, although he doesn’t know me. I’d enjoy hearing from him directly.

  51. Joe Wendt

    Gee Paulie, why is he talking about eugenics, well let’s see, how many people have referenced that one paper about eugenics he wrote in college (it was written in college and uploaded to linkedin during his campaign). Could that explain it.

  52. Chuck Moulton

    Joe Wendt wrote:

    The past articles which you keep citing do not prove any accusation against Augustus. However, it does reveal biases, branding, insults, name calling, personal attacks, mischaracterizations, dramatization and sensationalism all because of a paper Augustus wrote in college. Never mind the fact that Augustus has been traveling around the state to win the support and confidence of Libertarians. Never mind the fact that Augustus is running on a Libertarian platform that makes no mention of eugenics or any other fascistic beliefs:

    http://invictusforsenate.com/focal-points/

    Let’s just focus on a college paper and his taste in poetry.

    Paulie wrote:

    He wrote this during his campaign, not in college:

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/07/augustus-invictus-a-declaration-of-the-failings-of-the-federal-government/

    A Declaration of the Failings of the Federal Government
    by Augustus Invictus
    posted on July 23, 2015
    http://invictusforsenate.com/2015/07/23/a-declaration-of-the-failings-of-the-federal-government/

    A Declaration of the Failings of the Federal Government:

    […]

    19. It has allowed the degradation of our ancestral Holy Days in the name of Tolerance, demeaning Christian Rites for fear of the Jews. Where Nativity scenes are allowed, there must stand a menorah of equal visibility.

    […]

    25. It has abandoned its eugenics programs & elitist mindset in favor of a decadent ideology that rejects the beauty of strength and demands the exponential growth of the weakest, the least intelligent, and the most diseased.

    […]

    28. It has promoted in those same classrooms the idolatrous worship of a different breed of lesser men, such as Alex Haley, who made a fortune by conning the country into sympathy when he plagiarized a novel and passed it off as fact, and Martin Luther King, Jr., whose FBI files are still under seal for the embarrassment it would cause all those persons profiting from his civil sainthood.

    I am not highlighting all the crazy things he says… just the most crazy things he says.

    Here Augustus Invictus attacks the Jews, endorses eugenics exterminating the weak, and attacks African Americans.

    This was written on July 23, 2015. It was posted on his campaign website by himself. That was in the year 2015. The year MMXV. The year two thousand fifteen. The year twenty fifteen. The year 2015 AD — Anno Domini — the year of our Lord. This year. July of 2015 was last month. July 23, 2015 was 37 days ago. July 23, 2015 was less than 6 weeks ago. July 23, 2015 was less than 2 score days ago.

    And he continues to say crazy things. Is 37 days ago not recent enough?

    A Call for Total Insurrection
    by Augustus Invictus
    posted on August 25, 2015
    http://invictusforsenate.com/2015/08/25/a-call-for-total-insurrection/

    I want you to take LSD and practice sorcery. I want you to […] take your girlfriend to a strip club so you can seduce a dancer in the back room. I want you to worship Nature and dance naked in the moonlight ‘round the fire, screaming in ecstatic joy. I want you to […] Renounce your life and go into the Wilderness, that God may speak to you of things to come.

    Again, I am not highlighting all the crazy things he says… just the most crazy things he says.

    Here Augustus Invictus asks people to practice sorcery, take girlfriends to watch you seduce dancers in strip clubs, dance naked, and go into the wilderness to listen to God.

    This was written on August 25, 2015. It was posted on his campaign website by himself. That was in the year 2015. The year MMXV. The year two thousand fifteen. The year twenty fifteen. The year 2015 AD — Anno Domini — the year of our Lord. This year. August of 2015 is this month. August 25, 2015 was 3 days ago. August 25, 2015 was less a week ago.

    This is not past activity. This is not a paper written in law school 6 years ago. This is current activity. This is a highlighted part of his U.S. Senate campaign he wrote himself, posted himself, and publicized himself.

    The man is batshit crazy. BAT… SHIT… CRAZY!!!

    I repeatedly say he is batshit crazy for two reasons:

    1) because he is batshit crazy

    2) because I don’t want to be in any way associated with someone this batshit crazy and I don’t want the Libertarian Party to be in any way associated with someone this batshit crazy either

    I hope that clarifies things. In all honesty though, I am speaking to the audience and not to you, Joe Wendt. If someone supports Santorum, then he’s not a libertarian, he often has no idea what a libertarian even is, and he has no vested interest in keeping crazy people from harming the libertarian brand.

  53. Jill Pyeatt

    Joe Wendt, if you know Mr. Invictus, could you please send him a link and invite him to join the discussion here?

  54. Joe Wendt

    Jill, if you want I can ask him if he’s willing to do an interview with you for IPR

  55. Andy

    I have got to wonder if Augustus is really crazy, or if this is just an act, and he is really trying to sabotage the LP.

    Whatever the case may be, he is not an appropriate candidate, and neither is his only competition for the nomination (for different reasons).

    Can’t the LP of FL find anyone decent to run for US Senate?

  56. Jill Pyeatt

    Joe, an interview would be wonderful! Yes, please ask him if he”l agree to an interview. If he will, we can get some questions for him from our readers.

  57. paulie

    Gee Paulie, why is he talking about eugenics, well let’s see, how many people have referenced that one paper about eugenics he wrote in college (it was written in college and uploaded to linkedin during his campaign). Could that explain it.

    So the way he disspells their concerns is by writing things like “(the federal government of the USA) has abandoned its eugenics programs & elitist mindset in favor of a decadent ideology that rejects the beauty of strength and demands the exponential growth of the weakest, the least intelligent, and the most diseased” and “…for fear of the Jews” among many other things? Brilliant!

    Chuck did a great job explaining some of the many reasons why Invictus is, well, crazier than a rabid loon in heat pumped full of meth, but never mind crazy…let’s talk dangerous, shall we?

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/08/augustus-invictus-calls-for-total-insurrection/

    I am banned for life from my graduate business school; my law school in Chicago had me hunted by the FBI two years ago; federal lawyers in Orlando had me investigated by the U.S. Marshals last fall; earlier this year I was forced off the board of trustees for an Orange County school; I was trespassed just last week from my own office building, where I have had my law firm for the past two and a half years. And we are only at the beginning, my friends. So fear not that what I speak of tonight is somehow distant from my own life.

    And

    Do you know why I am dangerous? It is not because anyone actually believes that I’m going to lose my mind and go on a shooting rampage. It is not because I have a hundred pounds of fertilizer in a toolshed ready for bomb-making. It is because I am an artist who has wandered like a black wolf into the “real” world. It is because I have the power to turn the System against itself.

    If anyone here is going to be the least bit surprised if he does in fact go on a shooting rampage and/or have a hundred pounds of fertilizer in a toolshed ready for bomb-making which he will in fact use for that purpose and set off bombs as part of his “total insurrection,” destroy property and kill and maim people, you just have not been paying attention to the man’s own words.

    Let’s hope that doesn’t happen, but if it does, let’s hope it won’t be “Augustus Invictus, who is running/ran as a Libertarian for US Senate….”

  58. paulie

    I have got to wonder if Augustus is really crazy, or if this is just an act, and he is really trying to sabotage the LP.

    Whatever the case may be, he is not an appropriate candidate, and neither is his only competition for the nomination (for different reasons).

    Can’t the LP of FL find anyone decent to run for US Senate?

    Exactly.

  59. Napoleon XXX

    Great advice from Mr. Snitker. It’s too bad that he isn’t running himself.

    And in other news, in the 1,100+ comment thread about Oregon, Mr. David Terry has announced that he has decided against running for President.

  60. paulie

    I want you to take LSD and practice sorcery. I want you to […] take your girlfriend to a strip club so you can seduce a dancer in the back room. I want you to worship Nature and dance naked in the moonlight ‘round the fire, screaming in ecstatic joy. I want you to […] Renounce your life and go into the Wilderness, that God may speak to you of things to come.

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  61. paulie

    And in other news, in the 1,100+ comment thread about Oregon, Mr. David Terry has announced that he has decided against running for President.

    Darn! What a disappointment…

  62. Greg Bowen

    Bad candidates and agendas that are counterproductive have consequences, and someone pays the price. It’s not the candidate that blows through and goes away. It’s the people that are here to help them that get left with the mess.

    I told Augustus face to face that I don’t want him out of the party, that he has value to this movement and that he can do a lot of good for the party. But not as a candidate. Not yet anyway. I mean that. At best he isn’t ready. At worst we are going to pay a heavy toll by letting him be a standard bearer for us that will far outweigh any good he does, because he will set our message back. We are here to further the message of liberty with our candidates, not get behind people with prophecies of their own of leading great wars and calls to do drugs and seduce strippers with their wives.

    It’s not that we don’t think you should be free to do that. Our U.S. Senate candidate doesn’t need to tell people to do it. He needs to tell people how he is going to affect change for liberty in the Senate or educate people on the message. His message of leading a great war and revolution and go out and do drugs and bang strippers is for punk rockers and poets. Not serious politicians. We have a right to expect better out of our candidates.

  63. johno

    Can the LPF strip him of his party membership? Maybe the Objectivist Party can have him. Chuck made some good points that really show this person harms the LP in Florida.

  64. Andy

    The best things that Augustus could do for the Libertarian Party is to quit the party, and stop calling himself a libertarian.

  65. paulie

    He doesn’t have to be a party member – as in dues paying or pledge signing member or veted candidate – to participate in the government run primary which could place him on the general election ballot as the Libertarian US Senate candidate in Florida. To do that he just has to register to vote as a Libertarian with the state and give the state government the money or signatures to get on the ballot, and beat any other candidate who does those things, if there will be any, in the primary. LPF can do absolutely nothing about that.

  66. Joe Wendt

    I’m a wack-job, fine. At least I am no longer a member of a political party that can’t handle a simple paperwork to give the State of Florida in order to maintain it’s status as a registered party, after the State informed that it was due multiple times. At least I’m not a failed Xerox salesman turned activist-for-profit. And at least I actually performed better in an election than that fat baboon. Come to think of it, why would anyone listen to him for political advice. He ran once and won a bit over 24000 votes. I ran for office twice winning 47000 (in the same year Snitker ran) and 165000 votes the next election. If anything, he’s proven to be unable to attract voters, and therefore his advice is useless and irrelevant unless you want to know how to win no more than 25000 votes. More importantly, his campaign was singularly focused on the Fair Tax and the 17th Amendment, so he can’t give advice on how to convey a Libertarian message to a mass audience since he himself was unable to do so. Deep thought: Perhaps, he is the wack-job, since he’s giving advice on something he clearly doesn’t understand or properly know how to execute.

  67. Jill Pyeatt

    We have a problem candidate like this in California. He isn’t a member of the state or national party, and seems to have little knowledge of Libertarian views, especially the NAP. He says he’s running for Barbara Boxer’s seat. We also have a long-time activist running, Gail Lightfoot.
    Hopefully she’ll continue to be the one getting attention.

  68. Chuck Moulton

    johno wrote:

    Can the LPF strip him of his party membership? Maybe the Objectivist Party can have him. Chuck made some good points that really show this person harms the LP in Florida.

    I just quoted him. But you’re right: mere quotes are sufficient to show he harms the LP brand.

    I’ve never been in favor of running people out of the LP — many of us didn’t start on our libertarian journey in lockstep agreement across all issues and many of us have various eccentricities much of society may regard as weird (myself included on both counts). However, I think we should be very careful who the LP runs as candidates for public office and who the LP puts in leadership positions.

  69. paulie

    I’ve never been in favor of running people out of the LP — many of us didn’t start on our libertarian journey in lockstep agreement across all issues and many of us have various eccentricities much of society may regard as weird (myself included on both counts). However, I think we should be very careful who the LP runs as candidates for public office and who the LP puts in leadership positions.

    Excellent point. Agreed on all counts.

  70. paulie

    We have a problem candidate like this in California. He isn’t a member of the state or national party, and seems to have little knowledge of Libertarian views, especially the NAP. He says he’s running for Barbara Boxer’s seat. We also have a long-time activist running, Gail Lightfoot.
    Hopefully she’ll continue to be the one getting attention.

    Well with California, while you have no control who appears on the ballot as a Libertarian, there is practically speaking no chance that a wackjob candidate will make it to the general election ballot for US Senate as a Libertarian. On the other hand, a good Libertarian candidate will have the same problem as well. That’s the dark cloud and silver lining of top two only. Which, incidentally, may be headed to Florida. LPF should start making as huge a stink as possible about that ASAP!

  71. paulie

    At least I am no longer a member of a political party that….

    Have fun supporting the quickly collapsing campaign of Senator Frothy Mix or whatever other big government Republican you will turn to supporting after he withdraws.

    And at least I actually performed better in an election than that fat baboon.

    It’s easier to get votes in a down ticket race which few people care about, especially if you are not running against both a Democrat and a Republican at the same time, than it is to get votes in a top of the ticket race. And what difference does it make if he’s fat? He actually looks like a skinny guy to me but it may be a matter of perspective 🙂

    he’s giving advice on something he clearly doesn’t understand or properly know how to execute.

    Almost anyone is qualified to give the advice he gave, which was sound (I listened to the first hour of the show).

    More importantly, his campaign was singularly focused on the Fair Tax and the 17th Amendment, so he can’t give advice on how to convey a Libertarian message to a mass audience since he himself was unable to do so.

    I’m far from being a “fair” tax fan, but it’s not even nearly on the same level of damaging as the racist and just plain crazy shit that Augustus Invictus says.

    Of course, why would a Santorum supporter care if it’s damaging to the LP?

  72. Joe Wendt

    Paulie, don’t you have better things than to pick apart a statement of a supposed wackjob Santorum supporter? It’s just sad and pathetic that worth the time and effort, and it’s sad that you’re criticisms are juvenile.

  73. Jed Ziggler Post author

    “Can the LPF strip him of his party membership? Maybe the Objectivist Party can have him. ”

    I recall Richard Winger saying in an email that the Objectivist Party is defunct.

  74. paulie

    Not as far as I know. Last I heard Tom Stevens is still planning to run again. The website’s still up. If it got dissolved it’s news to me.

  75. paulie

    Paulie, don’t you have better things than to pick apart a statement of a supposed wackjob Santorum supporter?

    Yes I do. I have responditis, and I don’t recall ever saying you are a wack job yourself, although clearly you support some very wacky and anti-liberty candidates, switch parties ridiculously often, are obsessed with grudges, and make some really poor arguments.

    you’re (sic) criticisms are juvenile.

    Says you. I think they’re on point. I’ll let the audience decide.

  76. Mark Axinn

    >The man is batshit crazy. BAT… SHIT… CRAZY!!!
    >I repeatedly say he is batshit crazy…
    >1) because he is batshit crazy.

    I wish Chuck would tell us what he really thinks of Invictus.

    Andy is very likely correct: the dude is having a good time with his faux Southern, opps White Southern, accent coming out with as many outrageous positions as he can. He’s hardly the first charlatan to play us.

    In contrast, Stone will seem like the voice of reason.

    Why the fuck is the Florida LP dropping the ball here? Adrian ran a superb campaign for Governor last year with terrific results. The Florida LP has money, members and ballot access. It just needs a normal Libertarian to run for Senate in 2016.

  77. paulie

    I have discussed that issue with a bunch of LPF folks and they all insist that they just can’t find anyone besides Invictus and Stone that is even willing to run.

    I discussed the issue again with the author of the article we are commenting on via FB. It was in a private message, so I won’t post the whole conversation without his permission, but one thing I said was:

    Even if you (or anyone) ran as a paper candidate that woud be better than Stone or Invictus. I agree with you about Invictus completely but Stone is really bad for a whole bunch of other reasons and absolutely can not be trusted. Including to run. He has floated it before and backed out. If you guys don’t recruit other candidate(s) you may find yourself in a situation where Stone decides not to run after all, Invictus is the only candidate left and it’s too late to do anything about it.

    You are 100% correct about Invictus, no question bout that at all.

  78. Thane "Goldie" Eichenauer

    milque·toast
    [?milk?t?st]
    NOUN
    a person who is timid or submissive:
    “a soppy, milquetoast composer”

    Greg Bowen: His libertarian positions are as milquetoast as they come, evidence of his recent exposure to the philosophy.
    Have you read his positions at http://invictusforsenate.com/focal-points/ ?
    They seem fully fleshed out and not milquetoast at all.

  79. Alexander Snitker

    “At least I’m not a failed Xerox salesman turned activist-for-profit.”

    Aren’t you a janitor? And for the record I was actually a good salesman when I sold copiers making over $80k in my last year (I resigned) and still have a great relationship with my former employer.

    And I pay people far more for activism than I have ever received but thanks for letting me know where Augustus got that lie too.

    BTW it is amazing that you are such a failure in life that you still troll this page after swearing your allegiance to Santorum.

    In addition, You have only reinforced everything I have ever said about your sorry ass on IPR. You were a horrible Libertarian and a disgusting human being. The people here can see it for themselves and have said so on a regular basis.

    “And at least I actually performed better in an election than that fat baboon.”

    Fat? That is the tea pot calling the kettle black.

    And your election was non partisan for a smaller race. I was up against Crist, Rubio and Meek. All you did was pay $25 to go on the ballot and did nothing else. You are a lazy do nothing POS.

    “Come to think of it, why would anyone listen to him for political advice. He ran once and won a bit over 24000 votes. I ran for office twice winning 47000 (in the same year Snitker ran) and 165000 votes the next election. If anything, he’s proven to be unable to attract voters, and therefore his advice is useless and irrelevant unless you want to know how to win no more than 25000 votes.”

    Well I was also involved in Wyllie’s race that got over a quarter a million votes. That was the same year you announced you could not afford the $25 to get on the ballot for soil an water.

    “More importantly, his campaign was singularly focused on the Fair Tax and the 17th Amendment, so he can’t give advice on how to convey a Libertarian message to a mass audience since he himself was unable to do so.”

    My campaign was about much more than that I could convey a message far better than you ever could. I had hundreds of volunteers. How many did you have? You would not need two hands to count them.

    “Deep thought: Perhaps, he is the wack-job, since he’s giving advice on something he clearly doesn’t understand or properly know how to execute.”

    Joe you are not even in the same league as me son. Your problem is that you are a political infant who never learned anything about politics. You might want to go back to your Santorum support group.

    BTW in the election for chair at the 2015 Florida State Convention Joe got 9 or 10 votes to Adrian’s 80 or 90 votes. Joe left the party because the LPF rejected him and considering that he is nothing but a social conservative they did it for good reason.

  80. Andy

    Paul said: “Yes I do. I have responditis, and I don’t recall ever saying you are a wack job yourself, although clearly you support some very wacky and anti-liberty candidates, switch parties ridiculously often, are obsessed with grudges, and make some really poor arguments.”

    He’s either got to be a wack job or a paid government saboteur.

  81. paulie

    He’s either got to be a wack job or a paid government saboteur.

    Maybe he just trolls for entertainment. Whatever the truth is, it’s of little relevance. I don’t think someone who is openly supporting Augustus Invictus and Rick Santorum is going to convince the folks at IPR. At most he can either annoy or entertain us, or perhaps evoke a sad head shake or two, depending on individual preferences.

  82. Steve Scheetz

    So this guy says things that are crazy… So this guy is attempting to use fraud in order to gain popularity, and hide his true beliefs.. (albeit not very well)

    The question I have for the people of Florida, how long will you allow him to make a mockery of your beliefs? How long will you enable him to damage your brand?

    And to everyone else, The author made a statement, and that statement inspired a question. I am hopeful that everyone remembers this question as we migrate to Orlando during the convention…

    At what point would we support a candidate? This guy is an obvious fraud. What if his southern accent was flawless? would people have had less of a problem if his bullshit message was more polished? How bout if he only lied a little bit, would that be OK?

    The LP, in recent years,has developed a habit of nominating people based upon their polish vs their substance.

    The question that should remain in everyone’s mind as they vote for a candidate?

    Is it possible to polish a turd well enough to make the delegates want to vote? or is there no point, EVER, when the Libertarian Delegates should think about selling their values out in order to hire a slippery salesman to be their spokesman….

    Ciao,

    Steve Scheetz

  83. Marc Montoni

    It’s not a question of the world ending if he’s LP nominee for the U.S. Senate, it’s a question of whether the LP has grown up enough to be able to leave behind these joke candidates which reinforce the idea the LP is still a fringe party.

    I’d be happy if the LP would grow up enough to stop endorsing candidates who misrepresent the libertarian ideology.

    The nut cases are usually a one-time deal and don’t do nearly as much damage to the base libertarian agenda as candidates who show up year after year and who call for the National Retail Sales Tax (NRST nee FairTax), “replacing” any tax with another tax, carbon taxes, state-supported education, increased subsidies for various special-interest groups, and other off-the-reservation insanity.

  84. Joe Wendt

    Paulie,

    To be blunt, I could care less about the LPF. Leaving that group of wackjobs has been quite agreeable with me. I’ve lost weight, I have lower blood pressure, I have more time for my family, and I’ve rekindled my numismatic interests. Were it not for the fact this article deals withy friend, Augustus, I wouldn’t be commenting. My political activity since leaving has been limited to answering a question about election regs and campaign finance to the people who call me and ask, and sharing posts on Facebook. I don’t like asses bad mouthing my friends, so I’m commenting.

  85. Joe Wendt

    Thank you Paulie. But for most part the Augustus critics haven’t made a good case against Augustus either. The only one who made a compelling argument is Chuck Moulton, but his primary focus was Augustus’ choice of imagery within his speech and arguments Augustus used in his college papers, which really shouldn’t be grounds for disqualifying a candidate regardless of political party or office sought. Should we disqualify someone like Chuck from seeking any office for writing a controversial paper in college. Should we disqualify any candidate for the word choice they use, and still claim to be the party that defends freedom of speech? Essentially, the arguments used against Augustus are subjective, and really don’t carry any weight.

  86. Caryn Ann Harlos

    Joe the criticism were not just the use of imagery and a college paper. Chuck made an excellent case.

    Freedom of speech does not mean that we need to endorse such speech. I defend the freedom of speech of racists and bigots, but I don’t want to be in the same room with them.

  87. Caryn Ann Harlos

    Marc,

    ==I’d be happy if the LP would grow up enough to stop endorsing candidates who misrepresent the libertarian ideology.

    The nut cases are usually a one-time deal and don’t do nearly as much damage to the base libertarian agenda as candidates who show up year after year and who call for the National Retail Sales Tax (NRST nee FairTax), “replacing” any tax with another tax, carbon taxes, state-supported education, increased subsidies for various special-interest groups, and other off-the-reservation insanity.==

    Sounds like a good idea for the blog article:)

    And I would add to the list such things as claiming lowered self-esteem is a violation of the NAP.

  88. paulie

    Joe the criticism were not just the use of imagery and a college paper. Chuck made an excellent case.

    I think Joe just wants someone to pay attention to him. Otherwise why would he repeat things when all someone has to see that they aren’t true is scroll up in this very thread? Maybe he’s just bored and lonely, doesn’t have a lot going on… perhaps a lot of people just ignore him and act like he doesn’t exist IRL? I’m sure he knows he’s not convincing people, so the objective must be to get a rise out of us.

  89. Laws of the Public Policy Process Water vs Libertarian Greaseballs

    The Libertarian Party has, collectively, destroyed the brand that once attracted serious candidates like Dick Randolph, and (the vastly-less-politically-successful but still “serious”) Harry Browne. They’ve done this by willfully ignoring every aspect of strategy, and concentrating only on a narrow conception of ideological purity, with no attempt whatsoever to map this purist view onto real-world politics. (The problem is not the purist, radical view, it’s the lack of caring over whether that view does strategically and tactically viable things.)

    Invictus is simply a chicken come home to roost in the LP. Moulton shouldn’t complain about Invictus, since he advocates strategic positions that are totally toxic to any incremental progress toward success whenever he interacts with “drama queens” like Andy Jacobs. If the LP had done shown the slightest loyalty to the people promoting them, they’d be in a position to support an alternative candidate to Invictus.

    …But nobody but Invictus and Stone have even considered running. This is the fault of the uninformed, disinterested, and very-likely-externally-controlled LNC. This is solely the fault of Scott Kohlhaas, Bill Redpath, and the three or four people lined up to replace them if the membership ever gets wise, …which isn’t likely.

    TO HELL* WITH THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY. IT NOW EXISTS, WITTINGLY OR NOT, SOLELY TO DIVIDE (AND CONQUER) LIBERTARIAN SENTIMENT AMONG THE GENERAL PUBLIC. PERIOD.

    *fictional territory

    Just to take this out of the category of “whining” (complaining without offering solutions), let me state what the LP “should do, if it wants success.”
    1) Follow the link to “Laws of the Public Policy Process” linked above. Read it over and over again, until your brain processes it as pure truth. Then, live by it, if you are a LP candidate or campaign manager.
    2) Insist that nobody be hired to petition for, or otherwise represent, the LP who is not a principled libertarian who is willing to track meaningful benchmarks regarding his/her own performance. If you don’t know what meaningful benchmarks are, then start off with: # signatures gathered, # registrations gathered, # contacts gathered with a note about why they’re contacts, whether the contact would consider running for office or already desires to.
    3) Focus on winnable campaigns(campaigns where a victory can be purchased for less than $30,000) for meaningful offices (ie: State Legislature -Strategy of State Nullification; Sheriff -Strategy of State Nullification at a lower level).
    4) “Paper candidacies” should be run by articulate libertarian messengers only, since they don’t intend to do the hard work of winning votes.
    5) Don’t allocate money to campaigning for any office you cannot likely win, including “paper candidacies,” beyond what is necessary to create the paper candidacy, if you’ve chosen to do so.
    6) If you don’t know how many votes the incumbent received, and you don’t have a viable plan (that can be measured and adjusted over the course of a full campaign season, so that number can be measured on its way to competion) to get the same number of votes, then you’re not serious.

  90. Andy

    “They’ve done this by willfully ignoring every aspect of strategy, and concentrating only on a narrow conception of ideological purity, with no attempt whatsoever to map this purist view onto real-world politics.”

    The Libertarian Party sure as hell was not concerned with ideological purity at its Presidential nomination convention in 2008 when it nominated the Barr / Root ticket, and for that matter, the same could be said about the Johnson / Grey ticket in 2012.

    Ideological purity has not been a primary factor in the lack of success that the party has had.

  91. Andy

    “Moulton shouldn’t complain about Invictus, since he advocates strategic positions that are totally toxic to any incremental progress toward success whenever he interacts with “drama queens” like Andy Jacobs. If the LP had done shown the slightest loyalty to the people promoting them, they’d be in a position to support an alternative candidate to Invictus.”

    Interesting note from yesterday, as I spent several hours gathering lots of signatures for LP ballot access, while an overpaid non-libertarian mercenary threw a big hissy fit and created lots of unnecessary drama. Paul knows about which I am speaking, especially since he had to listen to the whining and drama coming from the merc.

  92. Andy

    “Just to take this out of the category of “whining” (complaining without offering solutions), let me state what the LP ‘should do, if it wants success.'”

    I agree with most of your points here.

    “3) Focus on winnable campaigns(campaigns where a victory can be purchased for less than $30,000) for meaningful offices (ie: State Legislature -Strategy of State Nullification; Sheriff -Strategy of State Nullification at a lower level).”

    I’ve been saying for years that a big priority needs to be placed on electing Libertarian to seats in state legislatures and to the office of county sheriff. These are offices where Libertarians can get some publicity, and also make a difference, and there are also races like this around the country that are winnable with the proper game plan.

    I’d also like to see a concentrated effort for Libertarians to take over the local government in a city/town or county. This would take a bunch of Libertarian moving into a low population city/town or county, with the intent of taking it over.

    There are thousands of local government controlled by Democrats and Republicans in this country, but zero “run” by Libertarians. This needs to change. We need to have a working model that we can point to and say, “See, this is how things would be if Libertarians were ‘in charge.”

    “5) Don’t allocate money to campaigning for any office you cannot likely win, including “paper candidacies,” beyond what is necessary to create the paper candidacy, if you’ve chosen to do so.”

    I only partially agree with this one. There are some races where a Libertarian stands close to zero chance of winning, but where the act of running can do two important things:

    1) If it is a high profile office, like President, Governor, or US Senate, these are the offices to which the highest percentage of the public pays attention, and this makes running for these offices the best opportunities for getting the message out and party building that we have.

    2) There are some states where getting a certain percentage of the vote for President or Governor can get the party ballot access.

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  94. FTL Voter

    Not sure this crazy man is actually eligible under Florida law to appear on the ballot as a Libertarian in 2016. Hard to tell. Under state law, someone must be a registered voter in a party one year before the close of qualifying (which is May 6, 2016 for federal candidates). Voter registration records available online — http://politicalstrategies.com/name/Augustus+Invictus — seem to indicate he has been registered to vote at two different addresses in Orange County, and has only voted in elections in 2006 and 2012. While the site shows two registrations, the voter registration numbers are identical. One address shows him as a Republican and one shows him as a Libertarian. Thus the question becomes what is his current registration, and if he is a registered Libertarian now, did he switch before May 6, 2015? That may solve the problem. Or maybe not (he’s crazy, not stupid).

  95. Andy Craig

    “There are some states where getting a certain percentage of the vote for President or Governor can get the party ballot access.”

    In some states that is also true of lower offices, e.g. statewide executive offices.

  96. FTL Voter

    Andy: “There are some states where getting a certain percentage of the vote for President or Governor can get the party ballot access.”

    Definitely NOT true in Florida. A third party or independent candidate has the identical burden of qualify as major party candidates: either a very big filing fee (like 5-7% of the job’s annual salary, depending whether it is a nonpartisan or partisan filing) or collecting a huge number of signatures. Florida is very much an incumbent protection system.

  97. Andy Craig

    I don’t know the details of what benefits it brings (it might not make individual candidate ballot access easier), but I do know LPF has (had?) been trying to reach major-party status via registration totals. One of the main things they cited, is that debate organizers used the legal definition of “major party” to justify excluding Libertarian candidates.

    There are benefits to reaching such thresholds (either by vote total or registration), beyond just automatic ballot access for non-Pres. candidates, even when that’s not on the table under the state’s laws.

  98. paulie

    Not sure this crazy man is actually eligible under Florida law to appear on the ballot as a Libertarian in 2016. Hard to tell. Under state law, someone must be a registered voter in a party one year before the close of qualifying (which is May 6, 2016 for federal candidates). Voter registration records available online — http://politicalstrategies.com/name/Augustus+Invictus — seem to indicate he has been registered to vote at two different addresses in Orange County, and has only voted in elections in 2006 and 2012. While the site shows two registrations, the voter registration numbers are identical. One address shows him as a Republican and one shows him as a Libertarian. Thus the question becomes what is his current registration, and if he is a registered Libertarian now, did he switch before May 6, 2015? That may solve the problem. Or maybe not (he’s crazy, not stupid).

    Interesting question. Anyone know more about this? Looking into it?

  99. Thane Eichenauer

    As for being a person qualified to run for a federal office I have been under the impression that the US Constitution sets forth the qualifications of those running for the federal legislature and that states have been unsuccessful in changing or increasing those requirements.
    “No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”
    — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 2, clause 2

  100. paulie

    There are other senses of “qualified” beyond legally qualified. And as far as legally qualified, the question was not whether he is legally qualified to run at all but whether he is legally qualified to run in the LP (according to the source this may depend on his party registration).

  101. Joe Sixpack

    Comparing this nutjob to Bernie Sanders is bullshit and calls into question Matt Wright’s own insanity. Fuck you, Matt.

  102. paulie

    The article said “The speech was laden with insane thoughts he said with pride and glee as though he would be supported for saying whatever crazy thought passed through his brain, like a more insane and less filtered Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.” It doesn’t say they are the same.

  103. Billy Wohlsifer

    Oddly, this article was sent to me today by a dear friend. Oddly, because I commented on this article a year ago today this very day. (See August 27, 2015 below.) I feel the same today as I did last year. In fact, during the past year Matt Wright worked for my law firm part-time, on the books, and I worked with Team Invictus for U.S. Senate. I still hold the highest opinion of both men and never allow their personal opinions or politics to affect my vision of the greatness in each of them. I am glad Matt is not running against Augustus, because that would be a hard choice. I believe they both are guided by the same libertarian principles, but differ in their approach to reaching the end game. Fortunately, this primary presents an easy choice for registered LPF voters. The prospects for LPF’s participation or victory in the general election are far superior with Augustus Invictus’ than his opponent.

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