Statement by Governor Bill Weld Regarding the Final Weeks of the Election

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STATEMENT BY GOV. BILL WELD REGARDING THE FINAL WEEKS OF THIS ELECTION

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Oct 25, 2016


Boston, Mass. — Gov. Bill Weld delivered the following statement this afternoon at a press conference in Boston:


“It is a privilege and an honor to participate in this year’s national election campaign. I am grateful to Governor Gary Johnson for the opportunity to do so. Under Governor Johnson’s leadership the Libertarian Party has made great strides in this election cycle. Gary and I will carry our message of fiscal responsibility, social inclusion, and smaller government through November 8, and I hope that this election cycle will secure for the Libertarian Party a permanent place in our national political dialogue.

“We are making strides toward breaking the two party monopoly, and America will be stronger when we do, but given the position of the Commission on Presidential Debates, the deck is still stacked against even a credible third party ticket with two proven former Governors.

“Against that backdrop, I would like to address myself to all those in the electorate who remain torn between two so-called major party candidates whom they cannot enthusiastically support. I’m speaking particularly to those Republicans who feel that our President should exhibit commonly accepted standards of decency and discipline.

“I would not have stepped out of the swirl of the campaign to make this statement if I did not fear for our country, as I do.

“A President of the United States operates every day under a great deal of pressure — from all sides, and in furtherance of many different agendas. With that pressure comes constant criticism.

“After careful observation and reflection, I have come to believe that Donald Trump, if elected President of the United States, would not be able to stand up to this pressure and this criticism without becoming unhinged and unable to perform competently the duties of his office.

“Mr. Trump has some charisma and panache, and intellectual quickness. These qualities can be entertaining. Yet more than charisma, more even than intellectual ability, is required of a serious candidate for this country’s highest office. A serious candidate for the Presidency of the United States must be stable, and Donald Trump is not stable.

“Throughout this campaign, Mr. Trump has demonstrated an inability to handle criticism or blame well. His first instinct is to lash out at others. When challenged, he often responds as a child might. He makes a sour face, he calls people by insulting names, he waves his arms, he impatiently interrupts. Most families would not allow their children to remain at the dinner table if they behaved as Mr. Trump does. He has not exhibited the self-control, the discipline, or the emotional depth necessary to function credibly as a President of the United States.

“From the beginning of his campaign, Mr. Trump has conjured up enemies. First it was eleven million criminals in our midst, all bent on obtaining the benefits of citizenship, at our expense. Over time, the enemies became any trading partner of the United States. He says they are nothing but foreigners seeking to threaten our livelihoods. Now we have reached the point where his idea of America’s enemies includes almost anyone who talks or looks different from him. The goal of the Trump campaign, from the outset, has been to stir up envy, resentment, and group hatred.

“This is the worst of American politics. I fear for our cohesion as a nation, and for our place in the world, if this man who is unwilling to say he will abide by the result of our national election becomes our President.

“This great nation has weathered policy differences throughout our history, and we will do so again. Not in my lifetime, though, has there been a candidate for President who actually makes me fear for the ultimate well-being of the country, a candidate who might in fact put at risk the solid foundation of America that allows us to endure even ill-advised policies and the normal ebb and flow of politics.

“In the final days of this very close race, every citizen must be aware of the power and responsibility of each individual vote. This is not the time to cast a jocular or feel-good vote for a man whom you may have briefly found entertaining. Donald Trump should not, cannot, and must not be elected President of the United States.”

108 thoughts on “Statement by Governor Bill Weld Regarding the Final Weeks of the Election

  1. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Words cannot express my thorough and total disgust for this. I am now 100 % certain that I will be voting for Jill Stein.

    Was Weld ever serious about the LP ticket, or is he just here to stump for Hillary?

  2. Austin Cassidy

    This seems reasonable. It feels like the campaign is trying to maximize the vote total by having Johnson work on the more traditional Libertarian audiences — talking about legalizing marijuana and appealing to young voters, focusing on campaigning in the western states.

    Weld is appealing directly to “Never Trump” Republican voters.

  3. Austin Cassidy

    “I hope that this election cycle will secure for the Libertarian Party a permanent place in our national political dialogue.” – Bill Weld

    Ditto.

  4. Austin Cassidy

    “Was Weld ever serious about the LP ticket, or is he just here to stump for Hillary?”

    You do realize he’s been flying all over the country getting earned media, raising money and campaigning for the ticket right?

    I mean, he’ll be in Alaska on Thursday. That’s not exactly a short flight. lol

  5. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Perhaps my hatred and fear of Hillary is getting to me. I would have been fine with this if Weld had said to not vote for Hillary, either, but he didn’t. When I read this, it struck me as an endorsement of Hillary. Clearly, others aren’t reading it that way, so that’s a good thing.

    I still don’t think I’ll vote for Johnson.

  6. Losty

    A Non-Concession concession from the VP Candidate.

    Some may say that he now has just become the best candidate the LP has ever had. Knowing he can’t win, he may have just done what is needed to help the Republic.

    If that keeps Trump people home, voting for J/W, or voting HRC, it means they aren’t going Trump. That’s a win.

  7. Thomas L. Knapp

    Dammit, people … look at what’s actually happening. Ever heard the expression “keep your friends close but your enemies closer?”

    Weld is campaigning against Trump.

    Which means he is turning OFF voters who are inclined to vote for Trump.

    Who’s he turning on? Voters who HATE Trump and are looking for an alternative.

    If he’s racking up any new votes, those votes are coming directly out of Hillary Clinton’s hide.

  8. Richard Winger

    Jill, I have read Roger Stone’s book “The Clintons’ War on Women.” I have read two books in which secret service officers tell their memories of what our presidential, vice-presidential, and first ladies are like, up close when the public is not watching. I read the book “Unlikeable”, which is about Hillary Clinton. I sometimes read The National Enquirer when I am standing in line at the grocery store. You probably know The National Enquirer has been a fierce opponent of Hillary Clinton these past few months. Sometimes I look at the web page “Still Reporting” which is another news outlet that is very anti-Clinton. So I think I know the case against Hillary Clinton as a person. Of course, I never know how much of all that anti-Hillary material is true. Are you a student of the case against Hillary Clinton as a person? What are the sources you rely on when you form your opinion of her?

  9. losty

    Thomas,

    he’s looking for the Stay at home No Trump.

    There are very few undecideds (VERY Low-information) voters left…

    And when they see where GJ is in the polls —6% and falling, there is only one candidate that can beat trump, and it sure isn’t Gary…

  10. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I just re-read this, and I don’t think I’ve overreacted. He’s speaking in Hillary talking points. Disgusting.

    This statement particularly irks me: “I fear for our cohesion as a nation, and for our place in the world, if this man who is unwilling to say he will abide by the result of our national election becomes our President.” Give me a break. Stupid rhetoric from Hillary and her people.

    Trump has every right to cry foul about this election. The very fact that the media ignores what Wikileaks is saying, and ridicules everything about Trump shows the election is “rigged”. The fact that only Hillary and Trump were in the debates, but only Hillary was given some of the questions beforehand, shows the election is rigged. It’s not the media’s job to choose who we’re supposed to vote for by presenting tainted information.

    Now, that probably makes me sound like a Trump supporter. I am not one. But, if he feels that there was cheating on election day, then good for him for refusing to accept it.

    I’m sick of all the duplicity everywhere.

  11. losty

    From John Harwood (CNBC):
    top GOP pollster: “What we’re seeing is Johnson and Stein trending down, and going to Clinton.”

  12. Gene Berkman

    Campaigning against Donald Trump and trying to get Republicans to vote The Libertarian ticket is the best strategy for getting a decent vote this election.

    Gary Johnson trying to go after the Bernie Bros would make more sense if he just talked issues, and did not mention Bernie Sanders at all. The benefit of mentioning Bernie Sanders is that the progressive websites have been publicizing the Libertarian Party platform to dissuade Bernie bros from voting Libertarian. Good for getting our ideas out to a hostile audience, but there are more votes for Libertarians among the Never Trump Republicans.

  13. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    George said: “Is Clinton supposed to be better?”

    This is exactly my problem. How can ANYONE support that awful woman? She lies about everything, she’s responsible for thousands of deaths in the Middle East due to her positive votes for war, her eyes do these weird crossing and wandering things which indicates to me she has some neurological issue, yet people seem to think she’s acceptable as a leader? The woman is evil through and through, and has proven it over and over.

  14. Andy

    William Weld said: ““Throughout this campaign, Mr. Trump has demonstrated an inability to handle criticism or blame well. His first instinct is to lash out at others. When challenged, he often responds as a child might. He makes a sour face, he calls people by insulting names, he waves his arms, he impatiently interrupts.”

    Hillary Clinton engages in the exact same type of behavior.

  15. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp
    October 25, 2016 at 18:58
    Dammit, people … look at what’s actually happening. Ever heard the expression ‘keep your friends close but your enemies closer?’

    Weld is campaigning against Trump.

    Which means he is turning OFF voters who are inclined to vote for Trump.

    Who’s he turning on? Voters who HATE Trump and are looking for an alternative.

    If he’s racking up any new votes, those votes are coming directly out of Hillary Clinton’s hide.”

    A Libertarian Party candidate should be promoting the Libertarian Party and philosophy, and should be attacking both the Republican and Democrat equally.

    Is there any doubt that William Weld is a terrible candidate for the Libertarian Party, and is a piece of crap of a human being?

  16. Joseph Buchman

    “Is Clinton supposed to be better?”

    He has already made it perfectly clear (on CNN and in other interviews) that he believes she is.

    I saw a cartoon on facebook the other day – Trump as Jabba the Hutt, HRC as the Borg Queen, Gary Johnson as Jar Jar Binks.

    I’m tempted to vote for McMullin in the hope that SOME non-R, non-D candidate might gain an earned electoral vote. I’m leaning toward voting FOR the Libertarian Party in the hope it will grow in good ways for 2020, but as I told someone a few months ago, “A vote for Gary Johnson is not a vote for Trump; nor is it a vote for Hillary; it is a vote for Ron Nielson as Chief-of-Staff and Joe Hunter as Press Secretary.”

    I may just stay home . . .

    Joe
    (After whining and moaning a bit more, I’m almost certain to vote for the “Least of Three Evils” in the LP’s candidates. Ron Paul’s near endorsement of Dr. Stein is on my radar too, however. Am open to any insights, anger, coaching, recruiting, etc anyone cares to post here.)

  17. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post author
    October 25, 2016 at 19:31
    George said: ‘Is Clinton supposed to be better?’

    This is exactly my problem. How can ANYONE support that awful woman? She lies about everything, she’s responsible for thousands of deaths in the Middle East due to her positive votes for war, her eyes do these weird crossing and wandering things which indicates to me she has some neurological issue, yet people seem to think she’s acceptable as a leader? The woman is evil through and through, and has proven it over and over.”

    I am sick of Hillary supporters acting like if a person criticizes Hillary that they must be anti-woman. Hillary being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with why I would not vote for her. The fact of the matter is that she is a terrible human being.

    If Jill Pyeatt were on the ballot for President, I would vote for her. I’d vote for Jill Stein before I’d ever consider voting for Hillary Clinton.

  18. Andy

    Joseph Buchman said: “I’m tempted to vote for McMullin in the hope that SOME non-R, non-D candidate might gain an earned electoral vote. I’m leaning toward voting FOR the Libertarian Party in the hope it will grow in good ways for 2020, but as I told someone a few months ago, “

    Joe, I know that you are not happy at all with the Johnson campaign, and I urge you to not vote for them if you want to clean up the Libertarian Party, because voting for Johnson just rewards them for all of their anti-libertarian and/or watered down issue stances, their campaign mismanagement, and all of the other things that are wrong with the Johnson/Weld campaign, and every vote they get will just be used as ammunition by the Johnson/Weld supporters to nominate more candidates like them in the future. I do not want more candidates and more campaigns like Johnson/Weld in the future, so there is no way in hell I will vote for them. I will vote for the other Libertarian Party candidates who are on my ballot, but I will not vote for Johnson/Weld.

    If you are going to cast a protest vote for another candidate, I urge you to either vote for Constitution Party candidate Darrell Castle, Green Party candidate Jill Stein, or independent candidate Rocky de la Fuente (if he is on the Utah ballot, which I believe he is. You should also consider casting a write in vote for Darryl W. Perry, or writing in None Of The Above for President.

    I would NOT vote for Evan McMullin either. This would be a waste for your protest vote, because McMullin is an establishment guy. He was recruited by neo-con William Kristol, and his resume includes working for the CIA, the United Nations, and the Republican Party. McMullin is also connected to Mitt Romney. If you vote for him, it would be like voting for the Republican establishment.

    If I vote this year (and I am considering not voting this time), I am going to do one of the following for President:

    1) Vote for Constitution Party candidate Darrell Castle.

    2) Write in Darryl W. Perry.

    3) Write in None Of The Above.

  19. robert capozzi

    aj: Hillary Clinton engages in the exact same type of behavior (Trump-like tantrums).

    me: In public, AJ? HRC generally comports herself in public smoothly, from what I’ve seen. Make your case. When have we seen HRC go ballistic?

  20. Andy

    “Gene Berkman
    October 25, 2016 at 19:18
    Campaigning against Donald Trump and trying to get Republicans to vote The Libertarian ticket is the best strategy for getting a decent vote this election.”

    This is a terrible strategy. Campaign against Trump is fine, just so long as you also spend just as much time campaigning against Hillary Clinton, and promoting the Libertarian Party and philosophy.

    Just campaigning against Trump when there is another establishment candidate in the race who is just as bad (if not worse) in Hillary Clinton is an absolutely terrible campaign strategy if your goal is to advance the Libertarian Party and the cause of liberty (of course I don’t believe that this is the goal of Weld or Johnson, which is why neither of them should have ever been nominated by the Libertarian Party).

    Why? Because it makes it look like we as Libertarians are just out to siphon votes from Republicans, and that we are somehow aligned with the Democrats and Hillary Clinton, and I can see this backfiring in a major way after the election, especially if Trump loses, because then Libertarians will get blamed for it, even if Johnson/Weld are not completely at fault if Trump loses, and Weld pushing this angle just plays right into the hands of those who will blame us if Trump loses.

    This will make it more difficult to collect ballot access petition signatures for placing Libertarians on the ballot for future elections, and I can tell you that over the summer while on the petition trail I encountered people who made negative comments about Johnson/Weld, and these negative comments were justified, as they had to do with their “love affair” with Hillary Clinton, their support for gun control laws, and Johnson’s stupid gaffes. It will get worse if Johnson/Weld are perceived as trying to stop Trump and hand the election over to Hillary Clinton if Trump ends up losing.

    Some people here may not want to acknowledge this, but there are people out there who have been swept up in this “Trump populism” phenomenon who are people who have supported us in the past, and/or who would be open to supporting us in the future. Sure, some of Trump’s supporters would never support us, but I know that some of them have in the past, and that some of them would in the future. I do think that the Libertarian ticket should campaign against Trump, but they should spend just as much time campaigning against Clinton with equal zeal.

  21. Andy

    “robert capozzi
    October 25, 2016 at 20:08
    aj: Hillary Clinton engages in the exact same type of behavior (Trump-like tantrums).

    me: In public, AJ? HRC generally comports herself in public smoothly, from what I’ve seen. Make your case. When have we seen HRC go ballisti”

    I don’t feel like getting into a long discussion on this, but what do you think Hillary’s “basket of deplorables” comment was in regard to Trump supporters? How about her comments about the alt-right?

    Hillary is a nasty bitch and is not afraid to play dirty.

  22. Sean O'Toole

    I thought a campaign speech was supposed to end with something along the lines of, “Vote for me.” He told us all of the bad things about one of the candidates and neglected to address the faults of the other. And then he didn’t close. Why bother writing it at all?

  23. George Dance

    I thought a campaign speech was supposed to end with something along the lines of, “Vote for me.”

    I thought he made it quite clear that he was not making a campaign speech: “I would not have stepped out of the swirl of the campaign to make this statement if I did not fear for our country, as I do.”

    “Why bother writing it at all?

    My guess is, he fears for his country.

  24. Just Some Random Guy

    @ Josh Buchman

    I’m tempted to vote for McMullin in the hope that SOME non-R, non-D candidate might gain an earned electoral vote.

    Do you live in Utah? Because from what I understand, that’s the one and only state he has a chance at getting any electoral votes from (and not a low chance either). And if a third party candidate gets electoral votes, there’s at least a small chance (even if it’s something like 1 in a billion) that this could go to the House and spare us Trump and Clinton.

    If you live anywhere else, I think a vote for him is a waste. I can’t see him winning any other states. If you vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein or someone else with an actual party, you’re at least giving them a higher popular vote which could draw more attention to their parties for the next election as well as possibly bypass some of the ballot access laws. McMullin isn’t a part of any actual party and will basically done after this election so any recognition he may have received will be meaningless 4 years from now, so voting for him anywhere but Utah seems a waste.

  25. Andy

    Evan McMiullin would be no better than Clinton or Trump, and i am not even convinced that Johnson/Weld would be better than Clinton or Trump, and even if I give Johnson the benefit of the doubt and assume that he would better than Clinton or Trump, I know damn well that Weld would not be any better, so if Johnson were to be elected (which is highly unlikely), Johnson will just defer to Weld (like he is doing now), or the establishment threaten Johnson, or just take him out, and Weld will end up “running the show” and we will be no better of than if Clinton or Trump had been elected.

  26. Thomas L. Knapp

    This idea of “campaign against the Republican and Democrat equally” is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.

    For one thing, what’s with limiting it to those two? Why shouldn’t Castle and Stein and McMullin and Fuente and Istvan and Vermin and the other 1,800 candidates get their share if it’s all about some weird sense of fairness?

    While I do wish that Johnson and Weld would have concentrated on putting out the party’s message instead of whatever the hell that slapstick Three Stooges Minus One Stooge routine they’ve been calling a campaign is really all about, I’m happy to see them attacking any opponent at any time for any good reason.

    As far as which candidate they’ve picked to attack, I hate thinking about what I’d do if someone put a gun to my head and told me to pick Clinton or Trump. I HOPE I’d have the guts to tell them to pull the trigger. But if I didn’t, my choice sure as fuck wouldn’t be Trump.

  27. Bondurant

    Criticism of Weld is beating a dead horse at this point. His support and enthusiasm for Hillary is known and established. That isn’t going to change. He’s an establishment insider doing all he can to ensure an establishment victory in the election. Johnson is either a willing participant or a rube. Not sure which.

    My ballot has been mailed. I reluctantly voted for the Johnson/Weld ticket. If it weren’t for the struggles of AZLP, I’d have left a blank line. We’re so strapped here because of GOP rigged ballot status.

    I don’t have faith in our electoral system but I have hopes for Electoral College chaos.

  28. Andy

    Campaigning against Stein, McMiullin, Castle, etc…, makes little sense, because most people have never heard of them. Stein is moat likely to come up, but not very often, so when she does come up the Libertarian candidate should differentiate themselves from Stein, and make a case for why people should vote for them over Stein, but the bulk of their effort should be on Clinton and Trump, and on promoting the party and philosophy.

  29. Andy

    Bondurant, why in the hell did you vote for Johnson/Weld if you admit that Weld is an establishment shill and that Johnson is either a willing participant or or a rube?

    All you did with your vote for Johnson/Weld was say, “Keep it up guys.” and give fuel to the Johnson/Weld supporters to nominate more candidates like this in the future?

    I am a 20 year LP member and I am proud to say the hell with Johnson/Weld. I am really disgusted by the number of Libertarians who are putting party over principle by voting for these clowns. I put principle over party, so I am not going to vote for them.

  30. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Weld makes it seem like Hillary’s campaign has been honorable, and only Trump exhibits bad behavior. Have you all missed this duo?

    https://d1sb17b1leotpq.cloudfront.net/rigging-election-video-i-clinton-campaign-and-dnc-incite-violence-trump-rallies.html

    https://d1sb17b1leotpq.cloudfront.net/rigging-election-%E2%80%93-video-ii-mass-voter-fraud.html

    I’m afraid for this country, too. I’m terrified. If Hillary wins, she’ll have us at war with Russia in a flash. That’s a sure thing for her.

    Oh, and have you all missed the fact that China is lining up with Russia?

  31. Richard Winger

    Darryl Perry did not file for write-in status in Utah. There are 15 filed write-in presidential candidates in Utah: Baird, Basiago, Buchanan, Burton, Fox, Hoefling, Kotlikoff, Limbaugh, Parks, Reid, Schoenke, Smith, Soltysik, Tittle, and Valdivia.

  32. Austin Cassidy

    Yeah, Utah is the only place where McMullin seems to have any hope of winning electoral votes. If I lived in the state, I’d vote for him just to see a non-major party candidate carry a state on election night for the first time in my life.

    I hate his resume and I know he’s just a tool of some disgruntled Republicans, but still. I am rooting for McMullin to win Utah.

    Some hoped Idaho might be in play as well, but a poll out today shows Trump leading Clinton 52% to 23%… with only 10% voting for McMullin. The Mormon population just isn’t large enough for him there, and Trump’s lead is too commanding to be overtaken at this point.

    I’m also rooting for Johnson/Weld to break 5% and my ballot, proudly cast for J/W, is already in the mail.

    Beyond the national vote total, it’ll be interesting to see in how many states (if any) they can break into double-digits. New Mexico, Alaska, the Dakotas and maybe Colorado look to be in play. Maybe New Hampshire as well?

  33. Andy

    Ok then, scratch Darryl W. Perry from the list of write in option in Utah.

    If you are a Libertarian who lives in Utah, and you are unhappy with Johnson/Weld, I urge you to either not vote for President, or to vote for either Darrell Castle, Jill Stein, or Rocky de la Fuente.

  34. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Austin Cassidy said: Jill,

    Maybe you should consider voting for Donald Trump then?

    So you’ve become one of the two-dimensional thinkers in this 3-dimensional world that think there are only two choices? I’m disappointed in you.

    Only ignorant people think that any criticism for Hillary means support for Trump. Don’t be stupid. I’m not in the mood for it.

  35. George Whitfield

    Although they are not perfect candidates in several ways, I voted for Libertarians Gary Johnson and William Weld for President and Vice President and Libertarian Paul Stanton for US Senator in Florida.

  36. Michael H. Wilson

    Thomas Knapp wrote, “While I do wish that Johnson and Weld would have concentrated on putting out the party’s message…” My wish as well.

    I don’t know who was filling in the details on the issues for the Johnson website but whoever it was should have spent some time reading up on the issues first. GJ should have been hammering away at the costs of the military exploits overseas, the damage the drug war has done. He should have come out swinging from the first day but no such luck.

  37. Don Wills

    I completely agree with what Jill and Andy wrote in this thread.

    And I voted for Stein – it’s my first vote for other than the LP presidential candidate since 1984.

  38. robert capozzi

    JP and AJ, yes, HRC did use the term “basket of deplorables.” Frankly, I think that was an accurate statement, although she admits her estimate was too high. Is there any dispute that DJT has attracted support from haters?

    As I’ve been watching a lot of Alex Jones of late, yes, I have heard the reports of HRC’s tirades when out of the public eye. DJT has them IN public. This appears to be his idea of appropriate public comportment.

    Can’t say I agree.

    In this Year of the Pussy, we should all remember that GJ fired the opening volley, calling DJT a pussy. Of course, GJ was obviously kidding, and he was referring to his own physical prowess vs DJT’s lack thereof.

    DJT is overtly embarrassing to the nation. HRC is far more covert in her embarrassing displays. Both — I submit — are unacceptable choices as prez (in a mainstream context, even without reference to the NAP or other ideological constructs).

    It makes sense to me that WW should emphasize DJT boorishness and unpreparedness, since he is neither. Had I not been a viewer of Jones youtubes, I’d be very surprised that any lessarchist (NAPster or otherwise) would have a problem with WW’s statement. But having seen the volumes of support the paranoid-right-Ls have given DJT, I guess I’m not so surprised.

  39. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Only ignorant people think that any criticism for Hillary means support for Trump.”

    That’s true.

    As is the reverse.

    And yet you are upset about Weld criticizing Trump, as if that’s the same as supporting Clinton.

    He didn’t even MENTION Clinton in that statement. The idea that the statement supports Clinton is ENTIRELY your — as you yourself put it, ignorant — interpretation.

  40. ATBAFT

    Can we all remember that “Votes are Counted, not Weighed.” Trump or Clinton aren’t going to sift thru their votes and say, “Jeez, this guy is a Libertarian who was signaling that Gary Johnson is a LINO.”
    Nor will the media or anyone else. The only signaling is to the commentariat here. The only person to whom your vote means anything is you. The only real practical outcome of Johnson getting, say,
    3 million votes, is that 10,000 or so new members are counted by the state and national LP. They are the people we need to be concerned about educating, organizing, and keeping active in the LP. Can the LP do it?

  41. Tony From Long Island

    Does Jill really think that Trump and Clinton are EQUALLY bad?

    There really is no comparison. While I am not a big fan of HIllary (I didn’t even vote for her when she ran for Senate here), Donald J. Trump is possibly the worst and most dangerous candidate that any major party has put forth in our nation’s history. George Wallace is an angel compared to Trump. Andrew Jackson would be Saint Andrew compared to Trump – and Jackson could barely read! He once had to speak before a Harvard and was told he had do part of it in latin. he said “E pluribus Unum!” But Trump has “all the best words . . .”

    Any of the other republican candidates (even George Pataki) could have beaten her.

    For Weld to be more against Trump than Clinton just shows he has common sense. In fact, I personally believe that Gov. Johnson feels the same way but is tired of getting shit from the LP purists that he says negative things about Hillary.

    You don’t have to like Hillary to realize the difference. Seek out Andrew Sullivan on Brian Williams two nights ago on MSNBC. He showed how painful it was to support Hillary but knew just how dangerous Trump is.

  42. Tony From Long Island

    And, it must be noted, nowhere in that statement did Gov. Weld say “vote for Hillary.”

  43. Brad

    I have to concur with Knapp on this. Absence of HRC being mentioned is not support for the said candidate. That goes right back into the ‘duopoly’ line of thought many have when, its presupposed, you have to choose between the D’s & R’s.

  44. Be Rational

    Governor Weld got it right. His statement is right on and I’m in 100% agreement.

    There is not much bad that has been said about Hillary Clinton that is not true: She is dangerous and she may be the worst American President ever. But, Trump is mentally ill. He cannot be allowed to be President under any circumstance. Bill Weld’s statement implies that Trump is mentally ill without actually making a claim that could lead to a Trump lawsuit.

    This statement that calls for everyone to think seriously and states that every American has a duty to vote seriously and not vote for Trump is a brilliant strategy. Libertarians are not about telling people what to do – and Weld leaves that decision up to each voter. (It’s obvious that Libertarian candidates want the vote, does We;d really have to play to the LCD among the public and state that? Very few people other than Trump supporters are too dumb to get the message anyway.)

    Weld’s speech brings additional attention to the campaign and shows us in the best light, in a way that is often lacking for Libertarians: Weld demonstrates that we Libertarians are actually serious, caring American citizens, who want the best for our nation, and that while we believe that our positions and proposals will make us all freer, that we need peace, prosperity and liberty, we are also concerned about America itself.

    Donald Trump is mentally ill and too dangerous to be President. He is obviously too ill to be allowed in the White House, obviously too ill to be President, which means that he is obviously worse than Hillary Clinton. We cannot let Trump be President. NO ONE should vote FOR Trump.

    This message does not say that you have to vote for Clinton. Anyone not voting for Trump has done their duty. They can then safely vote for the alternative of their choice.

    This was a brilliant statement by Bill Weld.

    Bill Weld is the best LP Vice Presidential Candidate in the history of the LP.

  45. Andy

    Be Rational said: “This was a brilliant statement by Bill Weld.

    Bill Weld is the best LP Vice Presidential Candidate in the history of the LP.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. George Phillies

    “Donald Trump is mentally ill and too dangerous to be President.” Also, duopoly party politicians eat live babies for breakfast.

  47. Andy

    Thomas Knapp said: “And yet you are upset about Weld criticizing Trump, as if that’s the same as supporting Clinton.”

    Weld has already admitted that Hillary Clinton is his long time friend and that they have a life long bond. Gary Johnson called her a wonderful public servant.

    So by attacking Trump, while saying nothing about the many wrong doings of Hillary Clinton, it is not unreasonable to say that Weld is protecting his friend, Hillary Clinton.

  48. Andy

    Be Rational said: “But, Trump is mentally ill. He cannot be allowed to be President under any circumstance.”

    The same can be said about Hillary Clinton.

  49. Tony From Long Island

    Andrew the whiner said: ” . . . ““Throughout this campaign, Mr. Trump has demonstrated an inability to handle criticism or blame well. His first instinct is to lash out at others. When challenged, he often responds as a child might. He makes a sour face, he calls people by insulting names, he waves his arms, he impatiently interrupts.”

    Hillary Clinton engages in the exact same type of behavior. . . . ”

    This is how we can truly tell you are delusional. There is no comparison whatsoever. Just read that peyaso’s twitter. his 8th grade vocabulary, his constant need to put down anyone who slights him, even in the tiniest of ways. his complete lack of knowledge about any serious policy (whether you agree or not with the policies), his fomenting of hate and false claims of voter fraud. . . . shall I go on?

  50. Tony From Long Island

    Sir Andrew the Paranoid said: ” . . .Be Rational said: “But, Trump is mentally ill. He cannot be allowed to be President under any circumstance.”

    The same can be said about Hillary Clinton. . . . ”

    Look it’s one thing to dislike Mrs. Clinton. It’s another to actually think that she and Trump are equally mentally Ill. If you watch the two of them and truly think they are equally mentally ill, it might actually be YOU who needs to be evaluated.

  51. Tony From Long Island

    Andy the executioner: ” . . .Is there any doubt that William Weld is a terrible candidate for the Libertarian Party, and is a piece of crap of a human being? . . . ”

    Are you sure you aren’t trump? That’s the type of response he would give. But it’s surprising that someone who thinks that mass shootings are fake would call anyone a piece of crap. Hard to get any lower than you.

    Johnson and Weld have made more media appearances than probably all previous LP candidates combined and you just bitch and whine and bitch and whine. It’s getting old

  52. Tony From Long Island

    George Phillies: ” . . . “Donald Trump is mentally ill and too dangerous to be President.” Also, duopoly party politicians eat live babies for breakfast. . . . ”

    What is wrong with you? Was that an attempt at humor? Sarcasm? Aren’t you a bit old for such weirdness?

  53. Floyd Whitley

    “The only real practical outcome of Johnson getting, say, 3 million votes…Can the LP do it?”

    Off the cuff, I would say no. I do not consider 3 million votes to be “practical”.

    Using a linear trend line through the previous LP national returns, yields roughly 820,000 votes for 2016. This is probably a solid floor estimate for the LP in 2016. A more aggressive call might reasonably be made based on the 2012 results, however. Using a curvilinear trend, yields roughly 1,640,000 votes. That is probably a too high.

    The LP 2016 forecast is greatly skewed upside, especially under the curvilinear, because the 2012 Johnson return came back WAY above trend. Normally, I would be reticent to give much weight to the curvilinear. To me, it almost like a ceiling outlier. I prefer a regression because it is a more conservative estimate.

    Even so, due to those remarkable 2012 LP returns under Johnson, for 2016, a more aggressive call might be warranted in this case. I merely look at the number trends, not the “personal” candidate, etc. The LP is growing, that much is clear.

    But I believe it would be more “practical” to suggest that Johnson/Weld 2016 will claim something on the order of 1,400,000 ballots nation wide.

    An opinion only. Worth what you paid for it.

  54. Tony From Long Island

    Floyd said: ” . . . Off the cuff, I would say no. I do not consider 3 million votes to be “practical”.

    Using a linear trend line through the previous LP national returns, yields roughly 820,000 votes for 2016. This is probably a solid floor estimate for the LP in 2016. . . . . But I believe it would be more “practical” to suggest that Johnson/Weld 2016 will claim something on the order of 1,400,000 ballots nation wide. . . . ”

    You can’t use previous returns in this instance. in 2012 Johnson got over a million votes with NO press, NO polls, NO ads, NO name recognition.

    In 2012, there were 128.5 million votes cast. Let’s assume it will be similar this year.

    If Johnson gets 7% like I predict, that’s around 8 million (I don’t want to do math!)

    Even if he drops to 5% that’s still 6.25 million.

    1.4 million is an extremely low estimate.

    My prediction again:

    Clinton 49%
    Trump 41 %
    Johnson 7%
    Stein 2%
    McMuffin & others 1%

  55. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I don’t consider either Clump or Trinton–oops, mixed them up again–to be mentally ill. I consider them to have personality disorders, which isn’t the same thing as mental illness, to my understanding. It’s actually worse, because personality disorders can’t be cured, where there are treatments and possible cures for some mental illnesses. Hillary is clearly a sociopath, and Trump a narcissist. That should disqualify either of them to be President, although we’ve undoubtedly had both personality types as President before.

  56. Tony From Long Island

    Jill the DSM-V is full of “personality disorders.” They are mental illnesses.

    You really should read the definition of Sociopath. It really has no relation to Mrs. Clinton. . . . Narcissist, on the other hand, is exactly on the money for Generalissimo Trump.

  57. Joe

    This is getting “SPUN” by other media as:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bill-weld-tells-voters-pick-clinton-over-trump

    Including the author’s characterization of Weld’s comments as:

    “Though Weld goes on to mention Trump by name, his comments could also describe Johnson, who captured headlines with his bumbling responses to foreign policy questions and odd interview antics.”

    And so we reach for ever new lows in every area of every campaign in this disgusting election cycle.

  58. Floyd Whitley

    “You can’t use previous returns in this instance.” Actually, you can.

    Besides, ballot returns are rather inelastic. Also so?

    No, of course not. After all, most of us abide in reality, and we do get curve balls from time to time.

    [Speaking of which, how about that Kluber last night for the Indians in Game 1? My oh my.]

  59. Don Wills

    IMO, a reasonable conclusion from this thread is that the radical/anarchist/pure Libertarians think HRC is equally as vile as DJT, and that moderate/minarchist/GOP-lite Libertarians think HRC is less vile than DJT.

    And there are few (including me) who I would label Ron Paul libertarians who believe that HRC is more vile than DJT.

    Caveat: there are always exceptions to broad generalizations like these.

    PS. Trump is right about one thing – the possibility of nuclear weapons (tactical or much worse) being used by the Russkies will be much greater in a Clinton administration.

  60. Be Rational

    “… duopoly party politicians eat live babies for breakfast.” George Phillies

    **********

    Source?

  61. Andy

    Don, the issue to me is not so much about who is more vile between Hillary and Trump, but rather that there are problems with both of them from a libertarian perspective, and that the purpose of the Libertarian Party is to advance the party and the philosophy rather than to “play favorites” between the major party candidates.

  62. Matt Cholko

    I’d have preferred a “Vote for me and GJ” line in there, as it would have kept this whining to a minimum. But, of all the reasons that WW ain’t a good pick for VP, this is way, way down the list.

  63. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    For anyone who still hasn’t figured out what a threat Hillary is to our country (can you say: “nuclear war with Russia?”), there is a third Project Veritas Action video out revealing what blatantly illegal things the Clinton campaign is up to, with Hillary’s knowledge. James O’Keefe actually filled charges against them a couple days ago.

    I posted the links to the first 2 videos yesterday. Here’s the third:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQvsK5w-jY

  64. George Phillies

    “Donald Trump is mentally ill and too dangerous to be President.” Also, duopoly party politicians eat live babies for breakfast.”

    Apparently the sarcasm concept is alien to what passes for thought processes here.

    The level of vitriol directed against Clinton and Trump is truly unreal.

    You also forgot to mention that Hillary Clinton is a demon in human form.

    Sad with a literary reference:
    Vote for the least of three evils. Vote Cthulhu-Satan.

  65. Darcy G Richardson

    “I mailed in my ballot today. I voted my conscience. I can sleep tonight.” — New Federalist

    It’s great to see New Federalist commenting here again! He’s been missed.

  66. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I posted this article on Facebook yesterday afternoon, and, curiously, it seems to be 50-50 as far as people outraged, like me, vs. people who thought it was okay. There’s been very little middle ground. I re-read the statement this morning, though, and still came away thinking it was an endorsement of Clinton. Well, the Johnson-Weld campaign has felt the need to respond:

    https://www.johnsonweld.com/the_democratic_media_machine_is_at_it_again

    I still don’t buy it. Weld needs to issue an apology.

  67. Thomas L. Knapp

    “in 2012 Johnson got over a million votes with NO press, NO polls, NO ads, NO name recognition.”

    All we heard from his cheerleaders through the whole cycle — once he decided not to be a Republican any more and find out if the LP would help him get a welfare check — was about how he was getting AMAZING press coverage. More than all past LP candidates COMBINED, in fact (yes, the claim was complete bullshit, but it was made over and over and over).

    How many debates has he been in this year? How many was he in in 2012?

  68. George Dance

    Jill – “Only ignorant people think that any criticism for Hillary means support for Trump. Don’t be stupid. I’m not in the mood for it.”

    And yet you think that Weld’s criticism of Donald means support for Sec. Clinton.

    Why isn’t one logical leap as stupid as the other?

  69. Floyd Whitley

    Regarding “inelastic” ballot returns:

    Not for nothing, the modern lexicon has terms like “blue state” and “red state”. At the risk of inciting violence here (don’t want to throw more gasoline on Ms. Pyeatt’s burning indignation), but the reality sort of does support Trump’s “rigged elections” outburst–(although I do realize he was mostly accusing the media in that particular rant.)

    But, the electoral vote starting point in each quadrennial duopoly presidential race certainly handicaps the Republican, regardless of who the candidates might be.

    The systemic handicap is generally about the same each election. So, the votes are not so elastic as some might think. I count the systemic electoral handicap roughly like this for each presidential election (in perpetuity, sadly):

    242 electoral votes Democrat
    180 electoral votes Republican

    Again, that is the starting point. “Practically” speaking, only about 116 electoral votes are ever up for grabs regardless of the specific election. Of those, the Republicans must sweep almost all of them to win…they need 90 of the 116. Democrats only need 28. Obviously, those are long odds. But that’s the wiring diagram.

    I have ten “swing states”. This “list” of swings may vary by one or at most two each election. My 2016 list is mostly the same as what the mercenary “talking heads” have. Regardless, I see nothing much different this 2016 election than what passed in the last several elections, certainly nothing to change the base electoral handicap. What would change it? A catastrophic failure in an incumbent Democrat Administration. And that is a very low bar, post-Obama, post-Clinton, post-Carter.

    While I do not like the math, it almost certainly means that you can expect a Hillary Clinton presidency.

    The issue now really is reduced to: “How does the opposition build the necessary parallel political structures in order to increase the number of “swing states” in 2020?

    And this (not to be more morbid) presumes the nation survives that long…not a sure bet from this vista today…we are become a highly (perhaps irrevocably) polarized and fractious nation…engaging in a kind of a “trench warfare” mindset. The raison d’être of politics today has become a process of attrition. It is ugly, truly a blood sport (as the Clintons wrote), but nevertheless, there we are.

  70. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Okay, I get the irony, George Dance.

    I was mainly annoyed because Austin Cassidy accused me of being a Trump supporter when I had said just previously that I wasn’t. Plus, anyone here knows we have more than 2 choices.

  71. Losty

    Floyd,

    you don’t think the map is being shifted? Either by the Cinnamon Fuerher (vs. someone well qualified and will “do a good job”- William Weld)… Or through further demographics.

  72. Andy

    George Dance, the difference between what Jill Pyeatt said and what Bill Weld said is that Bill Weld already publicly declared the he and Hillary Clinton are long time friends and that there is a real bond between them.

    If you can’t see that Weld is obviously biased in favor of Hillary Clinton then there is something wrong with you.

  73. Floyd Whitley

    @Losty “you don’t think the map is being shifted?”

    No, not significantly. I really don’t.

    As for the influence of future demographics, of course that’s speculative. The median center of population (southwest Indiana, just above Evansville) may have slowed its rate of migration to the west-southwest. Perhaps, after the ’20 census, a few gains in U.S. House seats will result in the Inland West–Idaho, Utah, Nevada maybe. And some gains in the “sun belt,” most likely in the Upper South.

    But those are somewhat nickles and dimes, really. And in a way, they offset each other. To change the paradigm, in my view, that must happen on the Congressional field. That is where territory must be carved out. There isn’t any other way.

    Personally, the quadrennial chase by third parties with a national ticket has bled resources for an impossible pursuit. We have attempted to take a fortified stronghold that we have not the strength to take. Resources could have and should have been better directed. That “sexy” presidential battle is a costly diversion. And every four years, third parties take the sucker’s bet, and run at it only to get cut to pieces.

    It’s certainly bled us in the Constitution Party, and I suggest it’s bled every other third party opposition too…with nothing to show for it. No Man’s Land is not worth the cost. Welcome to trench warfare.

    A different approach is necessary. Just saying.

  74. losty

    Floyd,

    So you think the Grand Old Party of racists, Xenophobes, BIgots and Fear of “the Other” will ever get LGBT, African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and College educated women again??

    How does that not change the map if Caucasians are the slowest growing population slice and African and Asian Americans and Hispanics are the largest growing…

    OK is dead for a long time, But TX? AZ? FL? Maybe not ’16, but ’20? 24? 32?

  75. Andy

    Jill Pyeatt said: “Weld’s statement yesterday was the most damaging thing that happened their whole campaign. I doubt that today’s refutation will make much difference.”

    Was it? Their entire campaign has been one big train wreck, just as I predicted, so it is hard to say what the worst moment has been.

  76. Andy

    “losty
    October 26, 2016 at 21:38
    Floyd,

    So you think the Grand Old Party of racists, Xenophobes, BIgots and Fear of “the Other” will ever get LGBT, African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and College educated women again??”

    I know people who are black and who are Hispanic who are supporting Trump.

  77. Andy

    “Andy
    October 26, 2016 at 21:53
    ‘losty
    October 26, 2016 at 21:38
    Floyd,

    So you think the Grand Old Party of racists, Xenophobes, BIgots and Fear of “the Other” will ever get LGBT, African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and College educated women again??’

    I know people who are black and who are Hispanic who are supporting Trump.”

    I suppose that I should add that they are likely a minority, but I am just pointing out that they are out there.

  78. Tony From Long Island

    TK: ” . . . All we heard from his cheerleaders through the whole cycle — once he decided not to be a Republican any more and find out if the LP would help him get a welfare check — was about how he was getting AMAZING press coverage. More than all past LP candidates COMBINED, in fact (yes, the claim was complete bullshit, but it was made over and over and over). . . . ”

    So, you are saying that he hasn’t gotten more press coverage this year than all other LP POTUS candidates combines? Really?

  79. Tony From Long Island

    Andrew the Less than magnificent: ” . . .I know people who are black and who are Hispanic who are supporting Trump . . . I suppose that I should add that they are likely a minority, but I am just pointing out that they are out there. . . . ”

    LIKELY? Trump will get – at most – 5% of the black vote and 20% of the Hispanic vote.

  80. robert capozzi

    aj: [J/W’s] entire campaign has been one big train wreck, just as I predicted,

    me: Projection makes perception. Believing is seeing.

    In this particular case, your mind interprets seeing the L nominees on the news also daily now (many networks are showing GJ and JS’s poll numbers), and ALL the coverage up til now as a “train wreck” because you disagree with GJ’s message, presumably. Given your assumptions, you can’t help but see “train wreck.”

  81. George Dance

    Jill – “Okay, I get the irony, George Dance.”

    Well, please get that it wasn’t just directed at you. You’re not the only person whose got “endorsement of Clinton” out of Weld’s speech. I just directed it at you because, given the context, and given that you’re not a stupid person, you (and other readers) would spot the underlying fallacy right away.

    The thing is, the fallacy is hidden. The argument that “You oppose A – B also opposes A – therefor you support B” isn’t exactly a fallacy, just invalid. What would make it a valid argument is the assumption of a fallacy (False Alternative) that A and B are the only choices.

    “I was mainly annoyed because Austin Cassidy accused me of being a Trump supporter when I had said just previously that I wasn’t. ”

    To be charitable, I think Austin was trying the same thing I was – trying to bring out that underlying fallacy; that if it leads to a wrong conclusion wrt you, it leads to a wrong conclusion wrt Weld.

    “Plus, anyone here knows we have more than 2 choices.”

    Most of us do know that, for sure, and the rest should know: in regard to ourselves, and those we know, we explicity reject that underlying False Alternative. The problem is, of course, that almost everyone involved in the election – the large parties (from the president down) plus the media – insists on smuggling it back in as the fundamental truth that frames the whole election narrative (including the little bits and bytes of the Libertarian campaign that actually get reported).

    And it’s precisely belief in that fallacy that kills the Libertarian Party in every election. That’s why I think it has to be challenged wherever it rears its head.

  82. George Dance

    Andy – “George Dance, the difference between what Jill Pyeatt said and what Bill Weld said is that Bill Weld already publicly declared the he and Hillary Clinton are long time friends and that there is a real bond between them.”

    Sure they’re friends. The Clintons and the Trumps are all friends, too; but it doesn’t follow that they want to throw the election to each other.

    If you can’t see that Weld is obviously biased in favor of Hillary Clinton then there is something wrong with you.

    Of course Weld’s ‘biased’ – he knows one candidate, and (as an admitted ‘establishment’ guy) is comfortable with her policies (more or less, a continuation of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama policies). While he sees the other candidate as the dangerous outsider that he is, not to be trusted as President, period.

    And of course both the liberal and conservative media are going to spin his statement as an endorsement of Clinton – the first, as part of the campaign to bring the millennials back to Hillary, the second, to get the (few) #NeverTrumpers and (many) “Republican-lite” Libertarian Party members planning to vote Johnson to abandon him for Trump.

    But it wasn’t: In his statement, he didn’t even mention Hillary Clinton.

  83. George Dance

    Sad; it worked for me, maybe because I’m on Facebook and logged in.

    Here’s another try for a link:
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1824028571214222

    But, in case it doesn’t work, here’s a synopsis:

    It’s a political cartoon. Gary Johnson is standing at a podium (conveniently, with a ‘Gary Johnson’ nameplate on it), saying, “Never mind ‘Where’s Aleppo?'[*] Where’s Weldo?”

    Behind him is Bill Weld, back to Johnson and the reader, waving and calling: “Hillary, Hillary, it’s ME … the other Bill in your life!”

    * notice the spin here. (If Johnson had been thinking of ‘Aleppo’ as a place, he’d probably have recognized the term.)

  84. Tony From Long Island

    ” . . . . .Sure they’re friends. The Clintons and the Trumps are all friends, too; but it doesn’t follow that they want to throw the election to each other. . . . ”

    I seriously doubt that the Clintons and Trumps are still friends.

    As for the guy who thinks Trump will win in a landslide, introduce him to Andy – they are equally delusional.

    Even those methodologically challenged polls that show Trump leading are very close.

    Clinton 49%
    Trump 41%
    Johnson 7%
    Stein 2%
    Others 1%

    You heard it here first 🙂

  85. robert capozzi

    JP, I know who he is, and that vid’s from early September. He seems highly confused in it. I don’t know of a case when there was a popular landslide yet the other candidate won the electoral college. Theoretically possible, I s’pose.

  86. Tony From Long Island

    Yes Jill, I am well aware of who George Soros is. . . . I’m guess that’s the guy in the link . . . I didn’t click on it.

    Either way, anyone who thinks Trump is going to win in a landslide is having trouble with synapse connections, whether its George Soros or George Washington

  87. NewFederalist

    “It’s great to see New Federalist commenting here again! He’s been missed.” – Darcy G Richardson
    “Yes, hello NF!”- Jill Pyeatt

    Thanks!

  88. Be Rational

    “… anyone who thinks Trump is going to win in a landslide is having trouble with synapse connections, whether its George Soros or George Washington” – Tony

    P
    The poor Georges. Their synapses are severly deteriorated – but at least one of them has an excuse.

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