Libertarians United Against Fascism write open letter to LNC; Starchild responds

From the Libertarian National Committee list:

On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Liberty Antifa wrote:

Hello LNC members,

We are contacting all of you in regards to recent events involving the Libertarian Party of Florida (LPF). By now you are probably long aware of the controversy surrounding the fascist lawyer and former LPF Senate candidate Augustus Sol Invictus. Last week, in response to notice of a defamation lawsuit against a statement published by the LPF Executive Committee (EC) in Oct. 2015 that denounced his support of eugenics and political violence, the (EC) sought mediation and agreed to publish a retraction. They delivered this retraction on April 7th. Judging by their quoted statements, EC members are hoping to sweep this matter under the rug and move forward with Invictus in tow, just in time for their state party Convention on May 5th.

Invictus is not the only fascist that has infiltrated the LPF, if you can even call what he’s doing infiltration. We have compiled a document that demonstrates how the original claims against him are true, and that Invictus still advocates these things. We also exposed three co-conspirators, two of which are Regional Representatives on the EC itself. Their presence is not a series of coincidences. It is the result of an organized group, however small, that is successfully managing to exploit an entire state party.

https://libertariansunitedagainstfascism.wordpress.com/2017/04/11/cowardly-collaborators/

[IPR Note: See our reposting and discussion thereof]

This is fascist entryism. It’s insidious, it’s ubiquitous, and its success almost always depends on a lack of vigilance on the part of the host. Entryism is not just limited to libertarians, or even to the political right. Fascism is almost uniquely eclectic in how it borrows from and appeals to both the left and the right, sometimes claiming, like libertarians, to transcend the dichotomy. For every Hoppean that identifies “capitalism” with a right to cull the homeless and universalize the discipline and hierarchy of the corporate firm, there’s a Berniecrat that longs to revive the post-war welfare state, when immigrants stayed out, men were kings in their home and the white working class came first. As libertarians we are painfully aware of just how common and multifaceted the desire to rule others is, and so too are the self-conscious cults of power as an end in itself. It can be difficult to identify those manifestations that grow closest to home, and intimately know our particular blindspots. Confronting them requires that we interrogate our formulations for vulnerabilities, and ask hard questions about our allies’ motivations.

This is not the part where we equivocate or throw up our hands, declaring that everything is compromised and nothing can be done. Libertarianism is almost unique in its absolute refusal to consider intentions over outward actions. It has more glaring vulnerabilities than most. We all know it. The rise of the alt-right came in large part from our own ranks. Things should never have been allowed to get to the point that a few angry words about the Fed were enough to overlook someone’s bogus attempt to frame racist immigration controls in the language of property rights. Libertarians have allowed, this partly out of a desire to avoid appearing dogmatic; and partly out of a longstanding bias toward the right, spurred by a rightful disgust at the left’s historic enabling of state communism. But mostly it springs from an inbuilt political minimalism.

The only requirement to be a member of the Libertarian Party of Florida is that one forswear aggression in pursuit of social and political goals. And beyond the actual fascist cabal, a great number of Florida libertarians don’t see how they could reasonably oppose Invictus. He pinky swore not to hit anyone, so who cares if he thinks Muslims really are rapey savages that should disappear from white societies? He’s not killing anyone right now. As long as those Nazi skinheads he recruits agree to respect property rights, what’s the harm?

It doesn’t take a genius economist to deduce that this kind of incentive structure will attract any fascist smart enough to play the line (no surprise they got a lawyer). Then they bide their time, recruiting and subtly shifting the Overton Window, until the day comes they no longer need to pretend.

We submit to you that while this criterion may be enough to allow someone to live in a libertarian society, it does not make them an advocate of liberty. However imperfectly or hypocritically, liberal theorists from Adam Smith onward defended freed-markets and universal rights because they saw them as conducive to prosperity, peace, mobility and freedom of thought and association for all people. It’s not just about hating the state, it is about human flourishing.

Libertarians can disagree over the details of how to realize that goal, but they need a positive vision. Purely negative visions, whether anti-state, anti-communist, anti-imperialist or whatever else are infinitely corruptible. They offering a platform to people that oppose these for all the worst reasons, and they deny the rest of us the linguistic and memetic tools to even identify the threat.

We are not asking for a centrally planned Libertarian Movement with all the knowledge and agency problems that would entail. Fascism is a highly mutable, opportunistic and syncretic phenomenon. Rooting it out requires a high sensitivity to context and intent. What we are asking is for you to clearly differentiate your product. We are asking for an articulation of principle that will reorient the incentive structures, and finally give individual actors the leeway to contain and boot entryists themselves.

What we want is for you to make a declaration and a concrete demonstration of refusal:

1. That you denounce and dissociate from the Libertarian Party of Florida unless and until every person we have named and whose intentions we have proven is permanently removed.

2. That you state clearly and in writing what you think libertarian philosophy is for, and not just what it is against.

To that end, we are emailing this letter to every single member of the Libertarian National Committee. We know you are meeting in Pittsburgh on April 15th. Take this opportunity and do the right thing.

Full disclosure: we’re not Libertarian Party members. None of us are “partyarchs” as that Holocaust denier Sam Konkin would call it. We’re a collection of individualist and market anarchists who believe in direct action and uncompromising radicalism. But we also recognize that many who come to our persuasion, came through through mainstream Libertarianism first, and the organizations do serve a useful educational function (however much they waste on elections). It would be shame to lose that, and a great disservice to the cause of liberty to allow it to become a mouthpiece for fascism instead.

Yours’ Truly,

Libertarians United Against Fascism


LNC Member At Large Starchild replied:

Thank you for your intelligently written letter, for standing against fascism and racism (as well as communism and monarchy), and for providing useful background on the individuals you warn against. I mostly agree with your analysis of where they are coming from.

However, I strongly disagree that demanding the Florida LP either clean house or else we will dissociate ourselves from them is a wise course of action. My reasons for this disagreement include:

• The Libertarian National Committee generally refrains from getting involved in the internal politics of state affiliate parties, and for good reason; as you yourselves allude to, a centrally planned libertarian movement is inimical to liberty

• Any such statement from the LNC would likely be counter-productive, provoking the ire of many Florida Libertarians as unwarranted interference in their affairs, and giving Invictus and whatever allies he may have an opening to exploit those feelings to build support

• I see little evidence that his cohort currently is “successfully managing to exploit an entire state party”. When Invictus ran for U.S. Senate as a Libertarian, he was defeated 3:1 in the primary election, and the LPF leadership has denounced him, agreeing to a retraction only under the pressure of a ruinous defamation lawsuit (a reasonable course of action in my opinion; they have better things on which to spend their limited resources than fighting internecine court battles). It seems to me that the majority of both the party’s leadership and membership are already rejecting what he stands for.

• Expelling Invictus and others for their offensive beliefs, even if the Florida LP’s bylaws allowed for such expulsion, would not only set a dangerous precedent, but would no doubt be worn by the former members as badges of honor, allowing them to create higher profiles for themselves and even win some sympathy as victims

Threatening to shut down the Florida LP’s convention if they do not expel Invictus and company similarly strikes me as a highly counter-productive and ill-considered approach. Consider that Invictus himself appears to be a bit of a drama queen who thrives on conflict – you quote him “prophesizing” that he will start a civil war. I suspect he secretly welcomes your highly confrontational, with-us-or-against-us tactics and “burn it down” rhetoric! It seems to me that you are at great risk of overplaying your hand and becoming your own worst enemies in this situation. A more low-key approach of quietly spreading the word about Invictus and his cronies, isolating and undermining them politically, would be much more effective than loudly proclaiming them (and thereby building them up) as dangerous foes, if perhaps not as emotionally satisfying. But the goal is to stop fascism, not to gain emotional satisfaction – right?

As for stating what libertarian philosophy is for, not just what it is against, I agree this is a worthwhile endeavor, but more for the Platform Committee and the delegates who vote on platform changes at our conventions than for the LNC. Do you have any proposed language you’d like to see added to the Libertarian Party platform?

Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(415) 625-FREE
@StarchildSF

P.S. – While I appreciate your honesty in admitting you are not LP members, your message would have much more credibility and impact if you joined the Florida LP and used your voices and votes constructively therein. Rolling up your sleeves and joining the party wouldn’t require you to focus on activities you feel are a waste of time; there’s more to the LP than trying to elect people to public office. The party is what we make it. As you note, it often serves as a gateway to libertarian radicalism; this capacity would be enhanced if radicals like yourselves would plunge in and participate in seeking to keep the party radically libertarian, instead of merely criticizing from a distance.

For background see:

Alexandria Brown: Response to Ryan Ramsey and Timeline of Events

Police Report: Augustus Invictus accused of domestic violence, sexual assault, kidnapping, terroristic threats

Update on rape, assault, kidnapping and witness tampering allegations against Augustus Invictus

Update on Augustus Invictus criminal allegations and retraction of censure from Florida LP; possible disaffiliation by LNC floated

David Colborne: Augustus Sol Invictus Is Not Welcome In My State

Kn@ppster: ‘We’re going to shut it down’

Libertarians United Against Fascism: ‘To the Cowardly Collaborators of the Libertarian Party of Florida, and a Call to Action Against Them’

Knapp: Replace LP of Florida Exec Comm and Bylaws

74% to 26%: Florida Libertarians reject Invictus, nominate Stanton for Senate in Aug. 30 primary

Augustus Invictus: My First Address as Chair to the Libertarian Party of Orange County

FL: Augustus Invictus campaigns in front of white nationalist skinhead music banner

Libertarian Party of Florida condemns Augustus Invictus, calls his advocacy of war and eugenics “abhorrent” (Condemnation more recently withdrawn after a lawsuit threat by Invictus)

Augustus Invictus: Statement Regarding the Antifa Boycott of the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Festival

Augustus Invictus: Letter to the People of Europe

Rose City Antifa report on Augustus Invictus visit to Portland, OR

Augustus Invictus Calls for “Total Insurrection”

Augustus Invictus: A Declaration of the Failings of the Federal Government

Free Speech and No Platform: A Brief Libertarian Case for Silencing Fascists

Chair and Vice-Chair of the Libertarian Party of Florida Resign Effective Immediately

106 thoughts on “Libertarians United Against Fascism write open letter to LNC; Starchild responds

  1. Anthony Dlugos

    “Expelling Invictus and others for their offensive beliefs, even if the Florida LP’s bylaws allowed for such expulsion, would not only set a dangerous precedent, but would no doubt be worn by the former members as badges of honor, allowing them to create higher profiles for themselves and even win some sympathy as victims.”

    I don’t see ejecting self-avowed fascists as a “dangerous precedent,” nor do I suspect a guy who dismembers animals, and his neofascist underlings, are gonna gain any sympathy, except among each other.

  2. Tony From Long Island

    Libertarians aren’t trying to ban fascists from existing. It isn’t some McCarthy witch hunt. They have every right to choose who is a part of their private organization.

  3. Richard Winger

    Tony, when you say “they”, I am guessing you mean the Libertarian Party of Florida, right? So presumably you don’t want the national Libertarian Party telling the Florida Libertarian Party whom it can and cannot have as members.

  4. David Colborne

    The issue with banning people (i.e. revoking memberships and the like) is that you’re not guaranteed to always be in control over whose membership gets revoked. That’s why it’s usually safer to just have more people at your conventions than the other guy and win through the existing processes and systems already in place.

    One thing I’m not 100% certain the LUAF folks fully thought through is that, as long as there’s no LPF convention, the existing LPF EC remains in place. There’s no way to replace EC members without a convention, so, if they successfully shut the convention down, this locks the existing broken crew in place in perpetuity. Worse than that, since the crew knows they’re “on the list”, there’s a very good chance that, if they do reschedule the LPF convention, they’ll pick a venue that’s explicitly supportive of Augustus and his friends, which will stack the deck further in their favor.

    From a strategic and tactical standpoint, I’m not a fan of this. Better to just organize existing LPF members, find a supporter that has a voter registration or contact list somewhere, make phone calls to as many potential delegates as possible, find out where their sympathies lie, encourage those that are friendly to LPF and against Augustus to show up to the convention, and actually do some politics.

  5. Andy

    Dlugos does not see a problem with ejecting people he calls fascists, yet he supports Gary Johnson and Bill Weld, and Bob Barr and Wayne Root before them, and he also said that he would vote for Mitt Romney to be the LP’s presidential nominee.

    Oh the irony!

  6. Anthony Dlugos

    self-avowed fascist, proponent of eugenics, possible violent felon, animal dismemberer = Weld, Johnson, Barr, Romney

    lol

  7. Thomas L. Knapp

    Johnson and Weld both publicly endorsed the foremost eugenics organization in the US, Planned Parenthood, during their campaign last fall. Weld allowed as to how it might get its corporate welfare check cut by 20%; Johnson didn’t seem to contemplate cutting it at all. People who live in glass clinics shouldn’t throw forceps.

  8. dL

    What does this have to do w/ William Weld?

    #redHerring
    #distraction
    #playingTheWilliamWeldCardAsALastResortWhenIAmFreshOutOfBadArguments

  9. Brandi

    I like Starchild’s response, but I am sad that he had to receive that stupid article about me and now his first impression of me is bad. I was hoping we could be friends one day 🙁 Here’s to hoping he is as open-minded as he seems…

  10. dL

    Johnson and Weld both publicly endorsed the foremost eugenics organization in the US, Planned Parenthood,

    PP ==the foremost eugenics organization in the US?????

  11. Anthony Dlugos

    haha.

    I enjoy Thomas’ periodic flights of fancy. He’s got one about Barr being a child porn peddler too.

  12. Andy

    Bringing up Bill Weld and other fascists that Dlugos supported (like Bob Barr) is quite relevant because it shows a lack of credibility and consistency from Dlugos and other members of the “Shiny Badge Caucus” in the LP.

  13. Andy

    I remember a time, back in the pre-Johnson/Weld era, when Libertarians were united in calling for no taxpayer funding for abortion. Even the most ardent pro-abortion LP members out there favored ending taxpayer funding for abortion.

  14. Eric

    After multiple attempts with CPR and AED, the horse remains dead.
    It’s time to jump on a new band wagon Libertarians

  15. Rich Moroney

    So, I’m a life member of the LP, retired now in Florida, and registered as a Libertarian voter here. While it hasn’t been on my radar, I’m starting to wonder if I ought to attend this state convention as a delegate. But the first question that comes up is: Can I still do that? Also, how do I go about it? I’m sure some of the more motivated and better informed commenters on this thread could answer my questions in like 60 seconds. And in advance, I thank them.

  16. paulie Post author

    I like Starchild’s response, but I am sad that he had to receive that stupid article about me and now his first impression of me is bad. I was hoping we could be friends one day ? Here’s to hoping he is as open-minded as he seems…

    I don’t know that that matters, really. I’m sure your first impression of me is that bullshit article full of lies, distortions and half truths about me that your man wrote, but I have no prejudice that can’t be overcome by meeting people and my friend Starchild is much the same way in that respect. I have had right wing skins that were cool with me despite me being mostly Jewish and part Asian by ancestry and anti-fascist by inclination. Personal one on one interactions can cut through all that shit no matter who or what you are.

  17. paulie Post author

    I enjoy Thomas’ periodic flights of fancy. He’s got one about Barr being a child porn peddler too.

    He’s right bout that one. Chapter and verse.

  18. paulie Post author

    After multiple attempts with CPR and AED, the horse remains dead.
    It’s time to jump on a new band wagon Libertarians

    Sorry, you lost me. Too many abbreviations. CPR = cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, I take it. What’s AED?

  19. paulie Post author

    So, I’m a life member of the LP, retired now in Florida, and registered as a Libertarian voter here. While it hasn’t been on my radar, I’m starting to wonder if I ought to attend this state convention as a delegate. But the first question that comes up is: Can I still do that?

    Probably, yes. Check your state website, I think it’s LPF.org but you can find it with a search. I’m going to guess that the chances of it being shut down are low. My experience with most state LP conventions is that they will let LP members who show up vote, unless there is an organized takeover attempt. I have been to a lot of LP conventions in a lot of states over the past 20 years.

    Also, how do I go about it? I’m sure some of the more motivated and better informed commenters on this thread could answer my questions in like 60 seconds. And in advance, I thank them.

    https://conf.lpf.org/convention-registration/

  20. Eric

    Paulie,
    AEDs are everywhere, the automatic defibrillators that can bring people and horses back to life.
    This horse has been beaten to death so much that there is no bringing back to life.
    It’s time to move on.

  21. Brandi

    To Rich Moroney:
    You can register to be a delegate here: https://conf.lpf.org/

    To Paulie:
    I totally agree that one-on-ones can cut through the BS, and I’m quite happy to hear you hold no prejudices that can’t be overcome by personal interaction. I would say the same about myself. Actually no, the article you’re referring to was not my first impression of you, as I’ve been following IPR for quite some time, and I’ve read many of your articles. I never really had an opinion – I did see all the articles about AI, and although I consider him a friend that didn’t automatically give me a distaste for you, as I have many friends that don’t care for him and that’s not a determining factor for me when it comes to judgement of someone. I don’t believe everything I read on the internet, but if I did, I would probably dislike him too (lol). The only time I began to form an opinion is when I read your article posted on the 8th, the one where you named Ryan personally and said he was a white supremacist. I have been with Ryan for some time now, and I know all about his history, but I wouldn’t be with him if he was the kind of person now that some people claim.

    You’ve got to understand that him and I have spent a LOT of time and effort volunteering for this party, and I get that it’s mostly a thankless job, but it is super frustrating the way people have tried to paint him, and with the newest post from the “Libertarians United Against Fascism” blog, they’re starting to include me now, too. Some people allege that we are part of some “Fascist Nazi hostile takeover” plot in regards to the LPF, but when you look at it from where I’m standing, that notion seems laughable. When Ryan was elected to the EC, there were zero affiliated counties in his region. We started the first one together, and then we helped found the Alachua affiliate, whose original EC members included a Jewish guy, a lefty woman, and a guy who I am pretty sure is bisexual. They were all awesome, and we all worked happily together. Seems like a pretty far cry from a hostile Nazi takeover. I guess Ryan shot back with the article so forcefully because people that don’t know us continue to repeat those claims without bothering to find out if they are true. The truth is, about 10 years ago Ryan left the white nationalist movement and joined the liberty movement. He has a lot of influence with his friends from far ring-wing groups and a lot of them look up to and respect him, so he’s been actively using that influence to persuade many of them away from race-based politics and that kind of lifestyle, and to embrace freedom for everyone. I have seen it happen many times, and I think someone who was truly an anti-fascist would appreciate that. Instead, we’ve had people that don’t know us continue to judge him based on the fact that he has a mjolnir tattoo on his head and use that to justify their claims that he’s racist (I am using one example here, but you know what I mean). To give you a real-life example, a couple years ago we attended an event where the former head of the Vinlanders was leaving the group, and race-based politics, behind. Ryan was there to help defend him if they tried to kick his ass or kill him (it went great by the way), and Paul Stanton STILL uses a picture from that event to try and “prove” to people that Ryan is in “white supremacist” groups. I’m sure you can understand how offensive that is to us. I have told Stanton that story myself directly, but he continues to repeat the narrative of distorted truth.
    Ryan explains some of his history in an article on the website that you are editor-in-chief of:
    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/06/ryan-ramsey-taking-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-on-a-tour-of-the-high-road/

    I think the way he saw it, you were repeating something about him for the purpose of furthering an agenda when you knew it to be false. If that isn’t the case, by all means let’s clear it up – and I am totally willing and would be happy to hear your response to the claims made about you, and maybe a future one-on-one could change my mind, hell maybe even Ryan’s too. Stranger things have happened.

    I didn’t mean for this to be so long, but I am happy I got a chance to address you because the most important thing to me, way more important than any of this BS infighting, is to find common ground and to achieve peace and party unity so we can all work together. A house divided is a house easily conquered.
    Peace,
    Brandi

  22. Thomas L. Knapp

    “He’s got one about Barr being a child porn peddler too.”

    Bob Barr publicly — in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution — called for distribution of child pornography on demand by the government of the state of Georgia.

    He had REASONS for doing so, and they were actually good reasons that I agreed with. Namely, the child pornography in question was introduced as evidence in a controversial trial, state law required such evidence to be provided on request as a public record (it had been requested by journalists covering the case), and he was simply pointing out that “we don’t wanna do that” is not an exception to the law.

    But he did, in fact, do what he did. It’s a fact. You don’t have to like it. It’s a fact whether you like it or not.

  23. Thomas L. Knapp

    Rich,

    You can register as a delegate up until 8am on the Saturday morning of the convention. There is no charge to register as a delegate and attend the business sessions. I’m not sure what the deadline is for purchasing the meal/entertainment portions of the convention if you’re interested. The link Paulie offered — https://conf.lpf.org/convention-registration/ — is where you can do that.

    Hope to see you there!

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  25. Thomas L. Knapp

    I see Brandi posted the convention link too — thanks, Brandi!

    For the record, I dislike all this politics of personal destruction crap. I’m like Paulie in that respect. I can sit down and have a beer with people I completely disagree with on politics. And I can fight them on a convention floor or other political battlefield an hour later without hard feelings, and have another beer after that.

    I’ve never had any reason to dislike Ryan Ramsey or Brandi Hicks apart from political disagreement. In fact, they went out of their way to cut me some slack and remain congenial given my immediate and visceral ill-tempered reaction to Ryan’s tattoos the first time we met. I think that reaction was understandable, but that doesn’t mean it was nice. I will fight them like hell over the direction of LPF, but I’m still up for that beer absent some good reason not to have it.

    On the other hand, that kind of attitude is seen by some as a weakness to be played upon. Invictus in particular likes to say X, then say he’s renounced X in one place while still saying X in another place, then whine that he’s a victim of people who just don’t like him for unknown reasons if anyone notices and mentions it. That has the — obviously intended — effect of drawing decent but inattentive or gullible people to his defense against charges that are irrefutably true.

  26. paulie Post author

    The only time I began to form an opinion is when I read your article posted on the 8th, the one where you named Ryan personally and said he was a white supremacist.

    If you mean http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-augustus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-censure-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/ the statement is a quote from an anonymous source, not a statement by me. While I do share my opinions in the comments I am pretty careful to distinguish what is an allegation, what is a fact and what is an opinion in my articles. I’m not a professional journalist, just a volunteer blogger here at IPR, but I have been doing it for years and I think I am pretty good at keeping my personal views out of my articles, as is IPR policy. When I have an opinion I want published here I submit it to the other IPR writers to publish, just as anyone would whether they write at IPR or not.

    Quoting someone is not saying I necessarily agree with them. Publishing the police report of Ms. Rice’s claims does not mean I am saying they are true or false; I don’t know if they are. The fact that the allegations exist is newsworthy for a publication that covers alt parties. If such allegations surfaced against, for example, Charlie Crist, Marco Rubio, David Jolly or Alan Grayson, you can bet that the evening news and the major metro dailies would report it right away, not wait until the charges were proved in court. If some Republican or Democratic activists were public calling some of their fellow party leadership nazis or communists it would probably be reported by the mainstream media. If there were calls for the national GOP or DNC to disaffiliate its Florida party it would be on the news. If someone called for pressuring their convention venues to cancel their conventions, that would be news. It’s news for IPR when things like that happen in the Libertarian, Green, Constitution, Socialist etc parties. I just report the news…there is no reason for anyone to be mad at me or try to shoot the messenger.

    Granted I am also a partisan Libertarian myself and have strong opinions about party factional issues. Therefore, I have easier access to some sources than others because I am already talking to them anyway. Augustus Invictus wrote me and I told him I would publish his side of the story if he asked. The reason I did not ask him to begin with is that I had never talked to him. This is not my paying job, I do have an independent contractor business I need to take care of and I don’t have the time to put into IPR articles that people who do it for a living do. Most of my IPR articles are just reposts from other places and are identified as such in the article.

    The truth is, about 10 years ago Ryan left the white nationalist movement and joined the liberty movement.

    Then why are you all still flying the RAC flag? I know you know the history of “Rock Against Communism” but if anyone doesn’t please look it up. It’s not mainly about communism at all. Actually I am an anti-communist myself as well as an anti-fascist. I was born in the USSR and was officially a refugee when we left. However, I don’t think I deserved that designation nearly as much as other refugees and even immigrants or would be immigrants who were refused such classification. Granted I was very young then so it was not exactly my decision to stay or leave but I am very glad my parents made that decision as I do not believe my anti-authoritarian personality would have worked to my advantage in the USSR. I already managed to cause political trouble (and lots of other kinds) there at age 7, and I don’t think I would have survived, much less stayed out of the gulags and mental hospitals for dissidents, even in the late stages of the Soviet Union. Having said that I think we both know that RAC is not primarily about anti-communism but about RACism. I will grant that I have not actually listened to Lovecrime but take any RAC band I can think of…they are all racist. Why continue to identify with that?

    I think the way he saw it, you were repeating something about him for the purpose of furthering an agenda when you knew it to be false.

    I didn’t repeat anything I knew to be false, and at least in the article I did not assert that it was true or even that I believed it was true. In the comments, it is possible that I said I believed it was true, which I did.

    I am totally willing and would be happy to hear your response to the claims made about you,

    I’ll address as many as I have time for. I am not sure that trying to address all of them would be feasible or a good use of time. Let’s start with the headline.

    “Meet Paul Frankel, Editor in Chief at IPR, ANTIFA Terrorist, Convicted Forger, Former LNC Rep, and His Freak Show Seeking to Disaffiliate the LPF”

    I am not editor in chief at IPR. There is no such position. If there was that would probably be Warren Redlich. I have at times been the most active writer/editor here, as well as on average over the whole history of the site, but at other times I was not. In fact there were times when I was gone for months and IPR hummed along. The time frame when Chris Lesiak’s article that you reference was published was one of those times. I was camping out and working in the hot sun to collect the signatures to get Johnson and Stein on the Alabama ballot. I organized and ran both of those signature drives. When I wasn’t working I was gathering wood for the campfire, walking dogs, etc etc. I had no time for IPR.

    I am not a terrorist. My physical confrontations with fascists were in the 1980s. I still consider myself an antifascist but I am not part of any organized group and I do not condone terrorist tactics by anyone, including antifascists.

    My conviction was 16 years ago and I have worked on hundreds of campaigns since then all over the country with no similar problems. I also do a lot of volunteer work in the LP and the alt party and liberty movements in general. IPR is one part of that.

    It’s true, I was an LNC alternate in 2012-2014. I was asked to fill a vacancy and did so with the vote of the chairs in my region.

    My entire involvement with efforts to disaffiliate LPF to date has been reporting about them. I would publish opinion pieces against it if asked, whenever time allows.

    And that’s just the headline! I may have time to address a few more claims in the article while I wait for my ride to get ready.

  27. paulie Post author

    Paul Frankel, AKA Pauli Cannoli on Facebook,

    Paulie with an e, if you want to be accurate about my FB nickname.

    made a name for himself writing puff pieces for Paul Stanton last year

    I’ve never written any puff pieces about Stanton. I may have reposted the campaign announcement and maybe a press release or two. They would have been identified as such. I do that for hundreds of independent and alt party campaigns. I shared the article on FB and my comment was “not the goat and eugenics guy” or something like that. And what name I have was long established before last year; anything happening in Florida in the last couple of years did not “make a name” for me.

    at the Republican Party consultant owned internet site, Independent Political Report.

    Warren Redlich is the third owner of IPR. Like the owner before him he is largely absentee, there are no story assignments or anything of that nature and he exercises very loose control over anything here. The original owner was an anarchocapitalist LP activist who turned against electoral politics and sold the site back in 2008, and I have been writing here since the original owner. It’s also false to claim that Warren is a “Republican consultant.” Warren is a transpartisan liberty activist and strong Ron Paul supporter. He ran as the LPNY candidate for Governor in 2010 and was the strongest Gov candidate that state affiliate ever had. His campaign was derailed by Republican dirty tricks near the end but he still managed a very good showing for an LPNY gov candidate, the best they ever had. He’s not a fan of Johnson or Weld. He was supporting Rand Paul in the GOP primary, then switched his registration to Democrat to support Bernie Sanders because Sanders is more antiwar than the other leading candidates that were left at that point. He was a disgruntled Republican and is now a disgruntled Democrat. It’s false to claim or imply that Warren or IPR are on some kind of mission to hurt the Libertarian Party or that I would help Warren do so if he was.

    He has resurfaced spreading false allegations about former US Senate candidate Augustus Invictus. I have written about the saga in the last few weeks.(1) I was contacted today and asked to edit out information on his former accusers, as they are retracting the stories that were part of a revenge plot against the Orlando area civil rights attorney.

    The allegations were made by his former fiancee Ms. Rice, and as far as I know she is standing by them. The “retraction” was actually a statement by Ms. Brown, who helped Ms. Rice publicize the allegations originally, clarifying that she has no first hand knowledge of the truth or falsehood of Ms. Rice’s claims. Ms. Brown never claimed to have direct personal knowledge of the truth or falsehood of what Ms. Rice alleges, and as far as I know continues to allege, in the first place. As for myself and IPR, we are simply reporting news that is relevant to alt parties much as any news outlet would. If a prominent athlete was accused of similar crimes ESPN would report it. If a prominent rock star was accused of something like that it would be covered in the music press. If they were big enough stars it would probably also make the general news. By running for US Senate and getting a lot of press, Mr. Invictus makes it news for us whenever such allegations are made against him. Neither myself nor IPR know or have ever claimed to know whether the allegations are true, and there is no way I would not say so if I knew them to be false.

  28. paulie Post author

    The story reads like an over the top fiction novel, featuring drugs, prostitution, and social security fraud. The characters include prostitutes, drug dealers,

    Unlike in my articles, Ryan Ramsey is making positive claims about people IE claiming that he knows these things as facts. However, the people he is talking about have denied them. Ms. Brown takes prescription medication and says she has not shared it. She works legally as a webcam model. Ms. Rice has also reportedly worked a couple of times as a webcam model. Ms. Brown collects disability because there are times when she can’t work so her legal income is not reliable without the disability, and says that collecting disability is legal while working if the income is below a legally established threshold. Ms. Rice has reportedly used cocaine which Mr. Invictus has reportedly introduced her to. That’s not the same thing as “drug dealers, prostitution and social security fraud.”

    a Miami based lawyer and ANTIFA terrorist named Matteo Marchetti

    What’s the evidence that Mr. Marchetti is involved in terrorism? Being an antifascist is not in and of itself being a terrorist. I would be careful in making public accusations calling people terrorists; Mr. Marchetti may be more litigious than I am (he is after all a lawyer) and being called a terrorist sounds like a prima facie example of libel, slander and defamation to me. However, I am not a lawyer and haven’t sued people so what do I know?

    and the disgraced former Chair of the LPF, Adrian Wyllie,

    Mr. Wyllie resigned. In what sense is he “disgraced”?

    as well as Invictus’ former US Senate campaign rival “Commie Paul” Stanton,

    What is your evidence that Mr. Stanton is a communist? The author of this piece, Ryan Ramsey, has also called me a communist. I know I’m not, so I’m less inclined to believe him when he calls Stanton a communist and Marchetti a terrorist.

    who was appointed to the LPF EC despite allegations of stolen valor, election fraud, and a bizarre obsession with invoking Godwin’s Law.

    What’s the evidence for these accusations of stolen valor and election fraud?

  29. paulie Post author

    Paul Frankel is the Editor in Chief of Independent Political Report, henceforth called IPR.

    No, I’m not. See prior comment.

    He has been mentioning me in articles as a “neo-nazi”, apparently sharing Commie Paul’s fetishism.

    I mentioned that an anonymous source has made that claim. A subsequent article from another source provided evidence for the claim. I am open to contradicting evidence. If we ever met I don’t remember it, so I am only going by evidence that I receive from others.

    The fact I have been a leader in showing a better way of life to white nationalists for years and risked my life to start a nationwide liberty group open to all races means little to him.

    Not necessarily, but it would mean more if you were not still claiming RAC or promoting immigration restrictionism and candidates that campaign at NSM events etc etc.

    The LPF recently retracted a false statement made in 2015 about Augustus Invictus, there was video proof he repudiated the ideas he was accused of promoting.

    Having spent quite some time looking into the truth of that statement I don’t think they should have retracted it and I believe they did so under duress. There is plenty of other video evidence that he has not repudiated those idea.

    Furthermore a few items from his website that could be read the wrong way were removed by Mr. Invictus in 2015 at my personal request.

    I read those items and don’t see much leeway in interpretation. The fact is that he posted them to his website as things that he believed during a Senate campaign (why would any candidate post something they no longer believe to a campaign site?) and had to be convinced to remove them should be telling, among many other things.

  30. paulie Post author

    His legal case was solid, myself and multiple other Executive Committee members consulted attorneys, who all advised that we would likely lose if we went to court.

    That seems very hard to believe.

    He had been asking nicely for 18 months. ANTIFA terrorists and their threats of violence forced the cancellation of the Mid Atlantic Liberty Festival, where he was to debate Will Coley, a final straw that prompted him to push the issue.

    I’ve seen no evidence that there were any terrorist threats there. It is likely that the police overreacted on the basis of an overabundance of caution and, allegedly, other past activities by a group called Harrisburg Antifa. I saw a posting from another Antifa group in that area, listing all the other Antifa locals nearby and alleging that Harrisburg Antifa is actually a false front fascist group being used to entrap, gather intel on and destroy the reputation of Antifa activists. The hotel then overreacted on the basis of the information they got from the police.

    There seems to be confusion regarding the retraction. The LPF merely retracted a false statement due to the facts.

    My view after studying it is that they retracted a true statement due to intimidation and unwillingness to pay attorney retainers.

    Regarding Mr. Invictus’ supposed retraction of support for eugenics, as noted in the LUAF article This rejection is purely one of application. He has not abandoned eugenics because it is disgusting, immoral, depraved, racist and violent. Indeed, he still confirms as of March 24th [2017] that he believes the “strong and intelligent should breed – and the weak and stupid should not”. He simply no longer believes that government planned eugenics would be practical. Although his original paper disavowed any selection on the basis of race or ethnicity, when viewed in light of his repeat moaning about higher non-white immigrant birth rates, people he characterized as “parasites” in the above letter [Letter to the people of Europe], some reading between the lines is not unreasonable.

  31. paulie Post author

    he began spreading the fake police report with help from Paul Frankel, Adrian Wyllie, and the Florida Bar Associations head ANTIFA lawyer, Matteo Marchetti.

    I made no claims that the allegation in the police report were true or false. I reported that they exist. I did confirm with the Police Department involved that the report was really filed with them, and that’s it. I reported on the situation just like the establishment news would if similar claims were made against an establishment party politician – and that’s it.

    Frankel started attacking my character in his articles

    I don’t self-publish editorials, which is against IPR policy. I reported what the sources available to me have said. I am willing to offer counterbalancing perspectives if and when they are provided. I have the same access to IPR comments as you or anyone else. On the other hand, your articles do in fact attack my character and make positive claims, many of which are false. You don’t provide any source, rather you make these claims as if they are facts which you know.

  32. paulie Post author

    This is where things get interesting. At the same time he was serving as an LNC Alternate Region Representative, he was also a fugitive from justice!

    No, I was once again held on a supposed fugitive warrant and not extradited. The same thing happened 8 years earlier. In the meantime I had police makes run on me many times in many different states due to the nature of my job and had not been held or arrested. Therefore I had thought that this supposed warrant, which as far as I can tell is based either on mistaken identity or an attempt to frame me, had been withdrawn.

    Furthermore, to this day he has not paid fines related to a 2001 Felony conviction in Oregon.

    News to me. As far as I know I settled all court costs at the time.

    What was he convicted of? Forging signatures for petitions, and his arrest was for a litany of election fraud related charges.(6)

    Yes, that was 16 years ago. My career has spanned 20 years now and I have worked on hundreds of campaigns in dozens of states. This was an anomaly.

    He ratted on his associates and agreed to cooperate to get many of the charges dropped.

    That’s false. I pled guilty in a plea bargain which is how most cases of any kind are settled, because prosecutors pile on charges. There was only one associate who was in fact in charge of the operation and allocuting to what I did by implication necessarily implicated him as we had been working as a team.

    After this he became a drifter, traveling the country as a scam artist.

    Also false. I travel full time for a living and do honest work on political campaigns. I’m not a scam artist. Some of the people at IPR have dealt with me professionally and can confirm that my work is legit, despite an isolated incident 16 years ago.

    Despite claims of being a successful entrepreneur, he still owes money to Oregon, and the State put it out to collections in 2011.

    I’m not a successful entrepreneur. I don’t have any significant savings. I don’t own a house, car or any type of vehicle or apartment. I usually live in motels, sometimes in tents or RVs or vans or at homes of family and friends. I eat and drink well, but my clothes are kind of raggedy and I don’t have many other possessions. I very rarely use any illegal drugs anymore, although in the past I used them a lot. The reality is that I am neither a drifter in the sense of a truly homeless person nor a successful entrepreneur, but a basically blue collar sometimes-working poor traveling independent contractor. I have a college education but work usually outdoors in a job that doesn’t even require a high school degree. I was in fact a successful entrepreneur – many years ago. I wasn’t even aware of still allegedly owing court costs. No one contacted me about it.

  33. Thomas L. Knapp

    —–
    [Paul Stanton] was appointed to the LPF EC despite allegations of stolen valor, election fraud, and a bizarre obsession with invoking Godwin’s Law.

    What’s the evidence for these accusations of stolen valor and election fraud?
    —-

    The accusations of “stolen valor” and election fraud seem to have originated, and have their entire substantiation, in the imagination of Ryan Ramsey.

    I’ve still never figured out what the hell he is referring to with the “stolen valor” stuff except that it seems to have to do with Stanton referring to having gone on patrols while not sporting a (strictly speaking) combat arms MOS. If that’s the “problem,” it’s BS. Some of the more hardcore grunts I knew in the Marine Corps were actually in communications, and occasionally even admin, MOSes.

    The “election fraud” allegations have to do with 1) Stanton receiving contributions from family members and 2) Ramsey deciding that one of the addresses associated with a family member doesn’t exist. Left unmentioned is that the candidate Ramsey supported, Augustus Invictus, stopped filing campaign finance reports at all several months prior to the filing date for the primary, thus hiding whoever it was that gave him somewhere in the neighborhood of $8,000 to make up the difference between what he had reported raising and what he paid as a filing fee. I don’t know if Invictus is still hiding who financially supported his campaign or if he finally came clean.

  34. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Some of the people at IPR have dealt with me professionally and can confirm that my work is legit, despite an isolated incident 16 years ago.”

    I’m one of those people.

    Since I’ve known Paulie (I think our paths may have crossed online as early as the late 1990s, but I’d put the date of actually making his acquaintance for real much later than that, and well after the Oregon problem), he has seemed to me to be both very professional and very ethical when it comes to political work, including the work he did for the Boston Tea Party’s presidential ticket in 2008.

  35. Tony From Long Island

    I feel honored to not be the only convicted felon who posts regularly on here 🙂

  36. Brandi

    Paulie,
    I am just now seeing your comments – thank you very much for responding – I am getting ready to meet Ryan’s ex wife and get his kids for the weekend, and Ryan is getting ready to go to a friend’s viewing… with it being a holiday weekend I don’t expect either of us to be able to sit down and give this the reply it deserves for at least a couple days, but I wanted you to know that I read your response. And I appreciate it. I’m going to direct Ryan here and make sure he reads it as well, so he can have a chance to respond to your response – I think he would be better equipped to than I, seeing as how the responses are to claims that he made/researched. Is there a personal email address that you’d prefer us to use, or would you rather continue this here?
    We consider Knapp a friend and he vouched for you, and as a matter of fact a friend of mine that used to work for Ron Paul also vouched for you and she confirmed that you were not one of those crazy violent antifa people, although you do consider yourself anti-fascist (which is totally fine by me). I think both of those things will matter to Ryan and if, upon review of the article you wrote on the 8th, we find that you actually did report objectively, he will probably be eager to hear what you have to say. I consider him an intellectually honest person, and it’d be nice for him to have a chance to prove that. Talk to you soon.

  37. paulie Post author

    Here is fine. My contact info is on the about IPR page but I have nothing that needs to be kept private and I prefer public discussions whenever possible.

  38. paulie Post author

    “As Frankel continued to stoke the fires, he began floating stories that the LNC was considering disaffiliating the LPF.”

    Reporting news =/= stoking fires. It is news for IPR when one state LP affiliate votes to ask the LNC to disaffiliate another state lP affiliate.

    Most of that talk came out of Nevada, where Vice Chairman David Colborne stated that no LPF member was “allowed” in Nevada,

    I believe he said Augustus Invictus not any LPF member and I think he meant in the context of the LP and invited speakers as I am not aware that he is in charge of setting State of Nevada immigration and travel policy.

    and some of his quotes became memes widely circulated on social media.

    News to me, but either way all I did was report the news.

    Jason Weinman was in the mix, and another woman Debra Caren Payne was also prominent in these attacks on Florida. She claims a 17 year history with the LNC. When it was looked into, Paul Frankel is friends with this crowd, and the next revelations were discovered.

    I have friends in many state LP affiliates as I travel around and try to get together with the local LP where I go. What of it?

    As recently as last month he openly admitted to membership in the left wing terrorist organization known as ANTIFA.

    No, I said I’m an unaffiliated antifascist and that I oppose any means that involve the initiation of force or coercion; and that when I was a teenager and not yet a libertarian I did participate in physical confrontations with fascists and racists. That’s not me being a member of a terrorist group.

  39. paulie Post author

    Court order be damned, let the forging of petitions continue!

    There was no forging of petitions in Maine and the judge’s order for areas outside his jurisdiction that I signed under duress had long since expired together with my probation by then.

    The crooked lawyer Stanton tried to bankrupt the LPF with, and a cultural Marxist infestation, both out of Nevada, are all wrapped up with Paul Frankel and ANTIFA.

    I don’t know what this is even supposed to mean. I don’t know the lawyer Stanton recommended. “Cultural Marxism” is an absurd term, as I can reassure having experienced culture under a Marxist regime. Neither myself nor anyone in LPNV that I know of is a marxist of any sort. I’m an antifascist as all libertarians should be.

    I started looking into Frankel’s associates. I think the criminal activity surrounding him will require a book

    We are getting a whole book of rumors, lies and fiction about me? That would be special. In reality, I have one instance of serious criminal conviction 16 years ago, some minor misdemeanors ranging from the 1990s to the 2000s and two stints of some weeks in jail on a supposed out of state warrant where I was not extradited. Plus some trolls spreading lies that get bigger and better with every retelling.

    but one close associate with a long LP past stuck out, because of the glaring hypocrisy. Gary Fincher lists Frankel as a reference on his personal site, and the two are longtime friends.

    I haven’t talked to Fincher in years and don’t in any way approve of his veterans scam. I am glad he got busted and did some jail time for that, and if he’s still doing it I hope he gets busted again.

    Gary is the alleged partner in the torture and killing of the dog dumped in Alabama.

    If Gary killed and dumped a dog in Alabama I don’t know about it and had nothing to do with it, and I hope someone does to him what he did to the dog. I doubt he did it, but not because I am friends with him. I know he did threaten it, in response to another former friend of his who reported him to drivers license bureau to get his license revoked, IRS etc. But as far as I know it was only a threat. Allegations are floating around that Gary later carried out his threat but the timeline is sketchy and there is no proof, and the guy whose dog it was never once alleged that I had anything to do with it.

    Andy Jacobs who also posts here a lot also used to be friends with Gary years ago but they had a falling out, Gary accumulated thousands of dollars in debt to Andy over time and then ran out on the debt with a bogus story about how Andy beat him up. We have not been friends with Fincher since then. Even before that we had several fallings out with Fincher but Andy kept trying to tell me to give Gary more chances until he found out the hard way why that was not the best idea.

    Gary did use to at one time be a good LP petitioner and I allowed him to use me as a reference because I had seen him do good work many times and never saw him do any bad work personally. I would not give him a good reference now based on him ripping off Andy and running the veterans scam, and as far as I know he no longer petitions at all. The reference is about a decade old and uses a phone number I haven’t had in years.

  40. paulie Post author

    The two traveled together for years.

    That’s an exaggeration. We worked together sporadically for a couple of years along with several other LP petition regulars.

    He also was arrested in 2001 for stalking and has been in and out of mental institutions, his bizarre ranting on his blog tells the story of his breaking parole conditions to stalk his ex across the country, landing him in a mental institution.

    I believe that was 1991, not 2001. In any case I was not in contact with Fincher at either of those times; in 1991 I had not yet met him, I met him once or twice in 1998 or 1999 and not again til 2004 or 2005.

    His legal troubles began in 1991 in Florida. A citizen asked him to remove their name from a petition, and he refused. Police were called, and he proceeded to attack the officers and was charged with battery on a LEO among other charges, leading to the probation he broke to stalk his ex.

    Dunno, I wasn’t there. I know that Gary’s side of the story was that the cops beat him, not vice versa. I know that Gary is always the victim in his stories but then again I also know that cops have often been known to beat people and accuse them of assaulting the officers. So who knows?

    He was arrested yet again in 2014 for a fraudulent veteran’s charity. He claimed that his 29 days in the army before he washed out of basic training, entitled him to collect money as a homeless veteran. At every turn I find more criminal and all around degenerate activity surrounding Paul Frankel.

    I had long dissociated from Fincher by 2014 so this did not surround me at all. Actually I blew the whistle on his veterans scam several times in IPR comments before he was busted. If I knew where he was scamming I would have had him busted myself.

  41. paulie Post author

    With a forger and degenerate like Frankel as the editor, who owns IPR?

    I’m not a degenerate and the forging was an isolated incident 16 years ago.

    The answer is natural, a Republican. A Republican who left the LP and uses his media arm to sabotage the competition. His name is Warren Redlich. Here are some biographical items from his Wikipedia.(7)

    Addressed the false statements about Warren earlier.

    The IPR attacks on Mr. Invictus are even more hypocritical when you consider his arguing for sexualization of young girls, and his own defamation suit against Roger Stone, who was talked about in LPF circles as a possible opponent against Augustus before the sudden arrival of Stanton.

    Warren’s defamation suit against Stone is meritorious. Stone falsely circulated allegations that Warren is a sexual predator to his friends, neighbors and constituents. In reality all Warren did was write a blog post about how historically it was not abnormal for adult males to lust after and marry teenage girls. That’s historically true. And in modern times, the author’s good friend, Augustus Invictus, dated at least one 17 year old when he was in his 30s, allegedly tried to hook up with at least one other of that age and also wrote an account about raping a 14 year old girl in Mexico which he labelled as “non-fiction.” Warren Redlich has never had sex with underage girls that I know of, unless it was when he was an underage boy. I have never as far as I know had sex with anyone underage since I have been of age myself. So who is being the hypocrite here?

  42. paulie Post author

    -Redlich was a registered Democrat before joining the Republican Party circa 2001.

    -In the past, he has run with support from the Liberal Party of New York; he has also sought support of the Green Party of New York and Working Families Party.

    -Later, during his gubernatorial campaign, he would coordinate some of his events with Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins.

    -He has served on the Guilderland town board since 2007 as a Republican.

    -Redlich ran as the Republicans’ nominee against the now-retired Michael McNulty for the seat representing New York’s 21st congressional district. He lost both elections, the latter by a 78-22 margin. Redlich, during his congressional runs, did not have the support of the Conservative Party of New York State as most Republicans traditionally do; instead, the Conservative Party endorsed McNulty in both races.

    And now he’s a Democrat again. This proves nothing at all except that, as I said before he is a liberty activist who crosses party lines all the time. He is not trying to attack the LP and if he was I sure wouldn’t help him.

  43. paulie Post author

    In summary, a news outlet owned by the Republican opposition to the Libertarian Party of Florida,

    False

    whose editor a convicted forger, election fraudster, and claims membership in a left wing terror group

    The impression this string of words leaves is far from reality. My only involvement in the type of antifascist activities that involved initiation of coercion was about 30 years ago when I was not yet a libertarian. The isolated derailing that led to the forgery conviction was 16 years ago. Outside of that I have been an LP and alt party activist for a quarter century and honest petitioner for 20 years.

    has teamed up with the disgruntled former LPF Chair, Paul Stanton, and people from Nevada, the same state as the shady lawyer that Stanton insisted should be allowed to bankrupt the LPF.

    Interesting conspiracy theory but short on facts. Do the people I know from NV even know this lawyer from NV that Stanton knows? I have no idea.

    This crowd is behind a push to disaffiliate the LPF from the national party. Nice try Republicans and Communists. We see right through you. You will not destroy the Libertarian Party of Florida, and we are not taking any criticism from the likes of you. Thanks for playing, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    I’m not a Republican or a Communist so this is also false.

  44. Anthony Dlugos

    What is this obsession with rooting out Communists? Is someone watching too many Morton Downey reruns and Red Dawn?

  45. paulie Post author

    Posting this one out of sequence, it was in the wrong thread..

    Thanks TLK and Tony. Getting back to Mr. Ramsey’s work of fiction loosely based on some real events:

    His close association with Paul Stanton adds more credibility to the allegations of election fraud in the primary, during which Stanton and Frankel were working very closely.

    Very closely? That’s an insane exaggeration. I posted a few articles here and there, reposted a few of them to FB. That’s about it. Oh, and I happened to be in the Orlando area for a few weeks before and after the convention so I attended one event at a county party meeting where Mr. Stanton gave a speech. That’s about it.

    Maybe he taught Stanton some of his old tricks.

    What? I don’t think he even needed to gather signatures. Pretty sure he did not. In any case, no, I did not teach him how to forge signatures. I was never good at it, either.

    I am struggling to understand how the LNC would have a Representative who is barred from various activities regarding elections serving as a representative.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. Serving on the LNC did not involve any any activity from which I am barred. Neither is working as a petitioner. The original probation agreement said I was not to work on petitions for some period of time in any state, but that has long ago expired, and I signed it under duress at the behest of an Oregon judge who has no jurisdiction over what happens in any other state. In any case none of your examples of me working as a petitioner are from the period of time when the coerced agreement supposedly barred me from doing so,

    Even more bizarre is the claim Augustus Invictus brings discredit on the Libertarian Party. I cannot imagine anything that looks worse than petition forgers leading political parties.

    Oh, I can think of a few things, many of which are true about Augustus Invictus.

    Then I found out that he and another man tortured a rivals dog to death and dumped its corpse in another state.

    That is a lie. Not only is this a lie by the original and highly disreputable source, Eric Dondero, but it’s a straight up lie by Ryan Ramsey to be repeating this false allegation as if he had some kind of evidence that it was true. Notice that Ryan does not say that someone else made such a claim, as I would if I was writing an article like this, he makes a positive claim that he found out it was true. How exactly? It is not true and there is no truth to it at all. I have never, ever tortured or killed a dog. On the other hand, Mr. Ramsey’s good friend Mr. Invictus did infamously torture and dismember a goat so maybe this is psychological projection?

    I am still searching for records, but multiple websites discuss the story.

    And all of these websites are neo-nazi trash sites which peddle lies and no evidence. How does a bunch of disreputable trash blogs run by trolls repeating the same lies make them true?

    That may be the charge he was a fugitive from while serving on the LNC, and he was arrested in South Carolina on the fugitive warrant shortly after he was campaigning for the At-Large seat.

    Nope.

  46. Jill Pyeatt

    I’ve been trying to stay out of this because it’s a ridiculous brouhaha. Augustus isn’t important enough for me to worry about here on the west coast. Now I know what people mean by calling someone a “snowflake”, though. However, the irony here is astounding: Ryan Ramsey was so upset that someone wrote something that made his friend appear in a bad light, disregarding the fact that much of it was true, so he compiles a completely untrue and mean-spirited portrait of Paulie. It’s a good thing Paulie isn’t petty, since another person might think such a hit piece worthy of a lawsuit for slander.

    Just sayin’.

  47. Anthony Dlugos

    “Ryan Ramsey was so upset that someone wrote something that made his friend appear in a bad light, disregarding the fact that much of it was true, so he compiles a completely untrue and mean-spirited portrait of Paulie.”

    As the article Terry M. posted points out, this is the weakness of this group of fascists. They are remarkably thin-skinned. That’ll be their undoing eventually. See how easily Goat Blood Boy got upset about a potential pie being tossed at him.

    I stopped holding my breath waiting for them to resort to the violence that is the hallmark of true fascists.

  48. Thomas L. Knapp

    The LUAF enablers of fascism write:

    “One individual made the stronger claim that the Convention proceedings are the only way to remove them, and that pursuing both their ejection and a shut down constitutes an impossible supervillain demand. This is a straight lie. The LPF bylaws contain provisions for special emergency meetings with as little as 24 hours notice . . . like the one that was convened to mediate with Invictus. Certainly we have provided the Executive Committee with enough evidence of NAP non-compliance to at least remove him.”

    Except that he has supporters on the executive committee, that those supporters are among those named in LUAF’s removal demand, and that the only way to remove those supporters is to have the convention at which the next executive committee is elected.

    LUAF either wants the people it is targeting removed from positions of authority in LPF, or it doesn’t. Its stated intent to shut down the only event at which they can be so removed tells us which.

  49. Thane Eichenauer (@ilovegrover)

    Anthony Dlugos wrote: “See how easily Goat Blood Boy got upset about a potential pie being tossed at him.”

    I don’t see why any person should begrudge Invictus making it crystal clear that he wants no pie being thrown at him. He wants it clearly known that he doesn’t find projectile food to be amusing. Let those that welcome incoming pies clearly declare their preference.

  50. paulie Post author

    So you think having a pie thrown at you justifies putting someone in the hospital and then charging the pie thrower with assault? Don’t tell me you are as crazy as Invictus.

  51. dL

    Contrary to the flashy street fighting image, 95% of what falls under the antifa umbrella is private investigation and coalition building to inform people of threats and help keep them out.

    LUAF is more or less a doxxing org. No boots on the ground capability to disrupt anything. My guess < 10 people.

  52. paulie Post author

    Brandi
    April 14, 2017 at 15:34

    Paulie,
    I am just now seeing your comments – thank you very much for responding – I am getting ready to meet Ryan’s ex wife and get his kids for the weekend, and Ryan is getting ready to go to a friend’s viewing… with it being a holiday weekend I don’t expect either of us to be able to sit down and give this the reply it deserves for at least a couple days, but I wanted you to know that I read your response. And I appreciate it. I’m going to direct Ryan here and make sure he reads it as well, so he can have a chance to respond to your response – I think he would be better equipped to than I, seeing as how the responses are to claims that he made/researched. Is there a personal email address that you’d prefer us to use, or would you rather continue this here?
    We consider Knapp a friend and he vouched for you, and as a matter of fact a friend of mine that used to work for Ron Paul also vouched for you and she confirmed that you were not one of those crazy violent antifa people, although you do consider yourself anti-fascist (which is totally fine by me). I think both of those things will matter to Ryan and if, upon review of the article you wrote on the 8th, we find that you actually did report objectively, he will probably be eager to hear what you have to say. I consider him an intellectually honest person, and it’d be nice for him to have a chance to prove that. Talk to you soon.

    Brandi sounds completely reasonable … then Warren gets this from Ryan:

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    Date: Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:48 PM
    Subject: Re: Articles threatening my family and the convention

    […] Furthermore he admits to being a member of ANTIFA.

    [P: false. see comments above]

    […] If you take them down I can dispense with the idea this is a Republican attempt to subvert the LLPF[…]

    I am basically confronted with the idea that your paper is saying crazy things and giving out my persona address and my pregnant Treasurers personal info (Brandi) and making incredible and slanderous claims, as well as calling to prevent us from conducting business at our annual convention.

    None of that is true. As previously noted all I did was report the news and repost articles from elsewhere with the original source clearly identified. Again see detailed explanation above.

    As for slanderous claims, I made none, but Ryan did make some about me such as that I am a terrorist and had something to do with killing a dog, which are slanderous and false claims.

    I fired back, and I am sitting here deciding what to do. The FDLE electronic crime unit is on the case, since Franke is in Alabama I expect to meet early next week with the FBI, the articles violate multiple State and Federal statutes in my opinion.

    Reposting articles posted elsewhere which themselves only disclosed information that was already publicly available does not violate state or federal statutes. I repost lots of articles here, including many I disagree with. Quoting sources in original articles also does not constitute anything other than quoting a source.

    That is their call, but I figured why not give you a chance to remove them and I can remove articles like the one here rather than have a war to discredit each other.

    I may be wrong, you may not know Frankel is part of the left wing terror group ANTIFA …

    That’s nonsense as I already explained.

    I can choose to go nucear, or reach out to you to handle it,[…]

    Exist to resist,

    Ryan Ramsey
    Region 4 Representative and Bradford County Chairman
    Libertarian Party of Florida
    bradfordcountylpf@gmail.com
    (904) 813-9092

    He posts that contact info in his articles.

  53. paulie Post author

    LUAF is more or less a doxxing org. No boots on the ground capability to disrupt anything. My guess < 10 people.

    That sounds right.

  54. Jill Pyeatt

    Oh, but we can’t remove any articles. We need to leave them up so everyone can read what a hypocritical, whiny baby Ryan is–in his very own words.

  55. Thomas L. Knapp

    Paulie,

    This …

    “The FDLE electronic crime unit is on the case, since Frank[l] is in Alabama I expect to meet early next week with the FBI, the articles violate multiple State and Federal statutes in my opinion.”

    … seems to be you quoting Ryan Ramsey.

    Is that the case?

    If so, he alludes to two terrorist organizations and claims that he expects to collude with one of them to harm you.

    That’s a clear and unambiguous terroristic threat and statement of intention to initiate force, with a view toward suppressing your exercise of your right to free speech — FAR more explicit than LUAF’s catch-me-fuck-me antics vis a vis the LPF convention.

    I happen to like Ryan on a personal level, but if he actually said that shit he needs to face disassociation/explulsion proceeding from LPF ASAP. So please let me know if he did.

  56. Thomas L. Knapp

    Ah — OK, I see that that threat was in an email.

    I also see that the email was sent in the name of a county affiliate of the Libertarian Party of Florida. My post to the Florida Libertarians Facebook group — hopefully a decent venue to get balls rolling in:

    —–
    Yesterday evening, a member of the Libertarian Party of Florida’s executive committee (Ryan Ramsey), acting explicitly in the name of an LPF county affiliate (the email “from” header reads “From: Bradford County Libertarian Party of Florida “), threatened in writing to collude with terrorist organizations (the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the Federal Bureau of Investigations) in order to suppress free speech and free press in the person of one Paul Frankel, for the “crime” of calling attention to online material that Ramsey disagrees with and/or doesn’t like.

    The only _proper_ response to that kind of shit is immediate removal from office and expulsion from the organization. I’m not expecting that to happen, but would it be possible to at LEAST get a slap on the wrist of the type given to Invictus and then pusillanimously withdrawn as soon as he whined and threatened to sue?
    —–

  57. Thane Eichenauer (@ilovegrover)

    Paulie,
    You, I and millions of other human beings can avoid hospitalization and being targeted by legal process by simply not throwing a pie at Augustus Sol Invictus. It isn’t that hard to do. Should some fool throw a pie at Invictus and thus end up in a hospital their beef and your beef should you choose to invent such a beef is with Invictus and whomsoever taught them to take such a stupid action as throwing a pie at someone that has clearly told the public not to do so.

  58. paulie Post author

    Getting pied is annoying. It’s not an assault, and hospitalizing someone for it and then pressing charges against the hospitalized person for assault is insanely disproportionate. Defending such a disproportionate response is simply insane.

  59. paulie Post author

    Speaking of insanely disproportionate responses how about sicing the FBI and FDLE on me because I reposted articles such as this one which supposedly contained threats, even though they don’t, continuously falsely claiming that myself and IPR are in favor of certain things such as shutting down the LPF convention just because I reported about it, and continuing to spread lies about me being a terrorist, killing a dog, etc. Also coercing the publisher to pull the articles and repeating the already refuted lie that we are part of some Republican plot to subvert the LPF.

  60. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Getting pied is annoying. It’s not an assault”

    Wikipedia disagrees with you:

    Non-consensual pieing is a punishable offence in criminal law, and depending on jurisdiction is a battery but may also constitute an assault. Non-consensual pieing may also be actionable as a civil wrong (tort) resulting in the victim of the pieing to recover damages in a lawsuit from the tortfeasor.

    Not that Wikipedia is always right, of course.

    In the normal course of things, slapping someone in the face or pulling someone’s hair is unlikely to result in death or grievous bodily harm, but that doesn’t mean those things aren’t assaults/batteries/initiations of force. And pieing could conceivably block an airway or trigger an allergic reaction. It could also be plausibly construed as a likely first act to be followed by more overtly violent acts while the target is distracted, partially blinded, etc.

    Proportional response is a different question, of course.

  61. paulie Post author

    If it blocked an airway or triggered an allergic reaction I could see a more serious response. In most cases it may warrant recovery of dry cleaning bill and a nuisance charge.

    Beating someone and putting them in the hospital for throwing a pie, snowball or other normally non-injuring item at you IMO is an assault itself, not a case of defensive force. While retaliatory, it is insanely disproportional.

  62. Thomas L. Knapp

    Well, like I said, proportionality is another discussion, both with respect to what would in fact be proportional and with respect to whether proportionality is itself important.

  63. paulie Post author

    If proportionality is not important we would get crazy conclusions all over the place. Someone threatens to throw a snowball at you, you shoot them in the face with a shotgun. Is that OK?

    And what would in fact be proportional? Putting someone in the hospital for throwing a pie? Come on.

  64. Thomas L. Knapp

    Paulie,

    I do find it interesting that you’re defending both pie-ing and “nice hotel you got here, be a shame if anything happened to it.”

    If I wave a gun around randomly while firing it in a large room where only you and I are present, it is unlikely that I’ll hit you, even more unlikely that I’ll seriously injure you, and extremely unlikely that I’ll kill you, just like if I hit you in the face with a pie. What’s your opinion of a proportional response to the gun thing?

  65. paulie Post author

    I do find it interesting that you’re defending both pie-ing and “nice hotel you got here, be a shame if anything happened to it.”

    I disagree with that characterization but no, I’m not in favor of that tactic. Here is a followup article from LUAF further defending their position and disputing Ryan Ramsey’s claim to no longer being a racist or involved in racist organizing/organizations:

    https://libertariansunitedagainstfascism.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/follow-up-on-fascism-in-the-florida-libertarian-party/

    If I wave a gun around randomly while firing it in a large room where only you and I are present, it is unlikely that I’ll hit you, even more unlikely that I’ll seriously injure you, and extremely unlikely that I’ll kill you, just like if I hit you in the face with a pie. What’s your opinion of a proportional response to the gun thing?

    I would probably duck, behind a barricade of some sort if at all possible. You really believe throwing a pie or snowball is the same sort of thing? If you do get hit with a bullet from that randomly firing gun there is likely to be injury and possibly death. If the snowball or pie doesn’t miss the chance of injury is still very, very low.

  66. paulie Post author

    Libertarians United Against Fascism
    2 hrs ·

    URGENT CALL TO ACTION: The Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Florida will be meeting at 7:30 EST today. There are two motions on the agenda you should know about.

    One, by Marc Tancer: remove the membership of Augustus Sol Invictus for violating the NAP by threatening to kill antifa if they attended an event.

    Two, by Omar Recuero: Return the sponsorship monies to Invictus and Okyay. The Revolutionary Conservative is sponsoring the breakfast portion of the state LP Convention.

    The whole EC can be reached at ec@lpf.org.

  67. Thomas L. Knapp

    That’s a good start.

    I’m not sure if motions can be added to the agenda this late, but if so hopefully there will be one to deal with Ryan’s threats issued under LPF affiliate letterhead.

  68. Anthony Dlugos

    Responding to a pie being thrown by some dopey antifa agitator by asserting that you are going to put the hurler in the hospital then call the cops is a long way from the dramatics of the Beer Hall Putsch, that’s for sure.

    I ask again when these so-called fascists are gonna start cracking skulls and dealing with the consequences?

  69. paulie Post author

    Why crack skulls when you can get the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and e.g. Sheriff Gordon Smith or Sheriff Peyton Grinnell do it for you?

    From another LUAF pastebin:

    here’s Sheriff Gordon Smith chatting jubilantly with him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL59uHSiEjE

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/us/florida-swat-team-heroin-dealers.html

    “Enjoy trying to sleep tonight, wondering if tonight’s the night our SWAT team blows your front door off the hinges,” he said. “We are coming for you. If our agents can show the nexus between you, the pusher of poison, and the person that overdoses and dies, we will charge you with murder. We are coming for you. Run.”

  70. Andy

    “paulie Post author
    April 16, 2017 at 11:46
    Why crack skulls when you can get the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and e.g. Sheriff Gordon Smith or Sheriff Peyton Grinnell do it for you?

    From another LUAF pastebin:

    Maybe these so called “fascists” in the LP of FL are really government plants who are working for the FBI as a part of a COINTELPRO operation.

    I have long suspected that the LP is infiltrated with government plants, and this has already been proven in past information revealed in FOIA requests (although unfortunately, the names of the plants were redacted, and no further investigation was ever done to out them).

  71. paulie Post author

    travellingcircus@gmail.com
    12:24 PM (19 minutes ago)

    to ec, Thomas

    The following was forwarded to me by my publisher. I believe it constitutes an egregious abuse of an official LPF account which your committee should address.

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Bradford County Libertarian Party of Florida
    Date: Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:48 PM
    Subject: Re: Articles threatening my family and the convention

    He was convicted of 2 of the felonies and is in collections for the fines as of 2011, more arrests as a fugitive since.

    I had an isolated derailment 16 years ago out of a 20 year career where I have worked on hundreds of campaigns all over the country in the years before and since with no other similar problems. There was only one arrest on a supposed fugitive warrant since 2011. There had been one in 2005 and due to the nature of my job I have had numerous police makes run on me in multiple states in the years in between with no arrest or hold. Thus I believed that the fugitive warrant which as I can best tell was based on mistaken identity or an attempt to frame me had been withdrawn. As far as I know I paid on all court costs in 2001, if there were any collections they never contacted me.

    Furthermore he admits to being a member of ANTIFA.

    That is false. I have said repeatedly I am an anti-fascist and NOT a member of any such group. I am NOT a terrorist and do not in any way shape or form condone terrorist tactics whether by anti-fascists, fascists or anyone else.

    I have been punching back, but I wanted to reach out. If you take them down I can dispense with the idea this is a Republican attempt to subvert the LLPF, which I hope you do not take too much offense to as it is plausible, and I do not know you.

    Warren Redlich is not a Republican. He is currently registered Democrat because he supported Bernie Sanders as the most antiwar leading candidate after Rand Paul dropped out. He has participated in various different parties in the past including as an LPNY candidate for Governor of NY in 2010 earning the highest vote ever for an LPNY candidate for Governor. He considers himself a libertarian. He is the mostly absentee third owner of IPR. He is not carrying out any attacks on LPF and if he did I would certainly not help him. IPR publishes news and perspectives by and about third parties and independent candidates. As a writer at IPR I have published and republished numerous press releases and op-eds that I don’t personally agree with. I’ve been an LP member and activist for 25 years and am a life member of the national LP.

    I am basically confronted with the idea that your paper is saying crazy things and giving out my persona address and my pregnant Treasurers personal info (Brandi) and making incredible and slanderous claims, as well as calling to prevent us from conducting business at our annual convention.

    We have made no claims or attempts at anything whatsoever. We have republished views of anonymous sources that are already published elsewhere. For the record I am personally not in favor of shutting down the convention. I don’t approve of any threats against anyone, and I did not see any threats in the articles I republished.

    Reality is I left the far right a decade ago and risked my life to teach hundreds of white nationalists a new way of life and started a liberty group open to all races and sex orientations and denounced racial politics, this is a serious attack.

    It’s not an attack at all but the facts are highly disputed. You can read my articles and discussion thereof on IPR to gain and add perspectives from all sides.

    I fired back, and I am sitting here deciding what to do. The FDLE electronic crime unit is on the case, since Franke is in Alabama I expect to meet early next week with the FBI, the articles violate multiple State and Federal statutes in my opinion.

    Reporting the news, and republishing the editorials of others, is not a violation of any statutes. None of my articles took an editorial stance by myself, which is against IPR rules. I do post opinions in the comment sections as can anyone else.

    That is their call, but I figured why not give you a chance to remove them and I can remove articles like the one here rather than have a war to discredit each other.

    It has never been IPR’s practice to remove articles under duress.

    I may be wrong, you may not know Frankel is part of the left wing terror group ANTIFA (admissions attached), many also do not know about them, and I am willing to lend that benefit of the doubt.

    Once again I am not a member of any group and never claimed to be a member of any group. I did say I am an anti-fascist, as all libertarians should be.

    https://libertarianheathen.com/2016/05/05/uncivil-rights-antifa-and-left-wing-political-violence-in-america/

    Here was my response to Frankels personal attacks April 8.

    https://libertarianheathen.com/2017/04/11/meet-paul-frankel-editor-in-chief-at-ipr-antifa-terrorist-and-former-fugitivelnc-regional-alternate/

    No, that was not a response to attacks. Me publishing the views and statements of others is not an attack by me on anyone. However, Mr. Ramsey’s article is in fact full of attacks, slander and lies. Looking at just the headline alone: I am not editor in chief at IPR and in fact there is no such position. I am not a terrorist, and that is a slanderous claim. Moving beyond the headline I address numerous inaccurate statements, slanders, libel and downright lies in Mr. Ramsey’s article in a series of comments starting at http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189 and continuing over a couple of dozen comments.

    To take one egregious example, Mr. Ramsey continually asserts that I had something to do with killing a dog. I did not, and while he is not the first person to spread this lie it is nevertheless a lie and he is not repeating it as a statement by someone else but rather as something he knows to be true, unlike the statements about him by others that I have published. There are many similar falsehoods throughout the article which I addressed in IPR comments.

    I can choose to go nucear, or reach out to you to handle it, and I am choosing the latter in hopes you are reasonable and a decent human being. Call if you like, numbers in my signature.

    Exist to resist,

    Ryan Ramsey
    Region 4 Representative and Bradford County Chairman
    Libertarian Party of Florida
    bradfordcountylpf@gmail.com
    (904) 813-9092

    On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Bradford County Libertarian Party of Florida wrote:
    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/free-speech-and-no-platform-a-brief-libertarian-case-for-silencing-fascists/

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/

    Exist to resist,

    Ryan Ramsey
    Region 4 Representative and Bradford County Chairman
    Libertarian Party of Florida
    bradfordcountylpf@gmail.com
    (904) 813-9092

  72. paulie Post author

    https://c4ss.org/content/48470

    Reclaiming the Anti-Fascist Roots of Libertarianism

    Let’s face it — the libertarian movement’s flirtations with paleoconservatives over the years have put us in the situation we are in today. Alt-righters and other self-proclaimed fascists, white nationalists, and racial separatists feel that they can use…

  73. dL

    If I wave a gun around randomly while firing it in a large room where only you and I are present, it is unlikely that I’ll hit you, even more unlikely that I’ll seriously injure you, and extremely unlikely that I’ll kill you, just like if I hit you in the face with a pie. What’s your opinion of a proportional response to the gun thing?

    Shooting a gun off repeatedly and randomly in a room could cause permanent hearing damage to anyone w/o ear protection.. And the possibility of the gun wielder taking aim would justify taking the gun wielder out as precautionary self-defense measure. That action would satisfy the proportionality test. And would almost certainly would be adjudicated in an acquittal if the state somehow brought charges of 2nd or 3rd degree murder against the speaker. So a protestor wielding and firing a gun can at best expect: financial loss/ruin from a lawsuit. Worst: a justifiable death.

    Pie throwing. Wielding a pie is not a considered a dangerous weapon unless the assailed is really feeble(age > 90) or in a vulnerable health state(e.g, pregnancy). The best case that happens to the pie thrower is nothing or full acquittal on a battery charge. The worst cases have a range of outcomes. One, is a possible A&B conviction. The others involve A& B conviction + defensive actions taken by the speaker. The speaker is likely indemnified up to a certain range of actions(physical restraint, sock to the jaw, etc). However, if the speaker resorted to taking the pie thrower out w/ a deadly weapon, the speaker would be open to a 3rd degree murder charge, depending on the circumstance.

  74. Anthony Dlugos

    If the debate surrounding the fascist in question is about whether or not he can attack someone who threw a banana cream pie at him, I can assure you he’s doing fascism wrong.

  75. Rob

    “• Any such statement from the LNC would likely be counter-productive, provoking the ire of many Florida Libertarians as unwarranted interference in their affairs, and giving Invictus and whatever allies he may have an opening to exploit those feelings to build support”

    Starchild needs to wake up. Florida libertarians have left the LPF in droves (when not purged ) while he and his LNC buddies ignored calls for LNC to do something since 2009. In fact, LNC has actively supported the GOP entryists with Chairs attending illegal LPF conventions.

    If this continues, LPF will be dissolved and the LNC face a massive petition requirement in Florida. The lawsuits will begin, and people like Starchild will be to blame.

  76. Nate

    Antifa communist terrorists like Frankel and crossdressing homosexual prostitutes like Starchild should be kept far away from the leadership of any political party. We need resolute leaders, men of strength and character such as Augustus Invictus and Ryan Ramsey to lead us. How else could we defend the liberty of our bloodline and the land our forefathers shed blood to conquer and defend?

  77. Thomas L. Knapp

    Rob,

    You write:

    “Florida libertarians have left the LPF in droves (when not purged ) while he and his LNC buddies ignored calls for LNC to do something since 2009.”

    That’s an interesting claim. Do you know of any source for LPF membership statistics by year since 2009?

  78. Observation

    “while he and his LNC buddies ignored calls for LNC to do something since 2009.”

    The LNC is not your daddy. Solve your own problems. LNC can disaffiliate or not; interfering is not allowed.

  79. Starchild

    Brandi – Like Paulie Frankel and Tom Knapp, both of whom I would vouch for and consider friends, I agree about keeping an open mind, seeking to have good personal relations with people of different points of view, and the capacity that meeting someone in person can provide to cut through the online B.S. I hope we will get the chance to meet at some point. That said, I would encourage you to speak out against fascism and related views such as anti-immigrant xenophobia, siding with “strength” rather than those who are victims, etc. If people see you taking pro-freedom views that are clearly at odds with fascism and other anti-libertarian philosophies, they are much less likely to associate you with such philosophies or those who espouse them.

    Rob – The people calling themselves Libertarians United Against Fascism (I have no idea who, or how many, were behind the unsigned letter to the Libertarian National Committee to which I responded) clearly expressed in that letter that they had no problem with the Libertarian Party of Florida disintegrating and having to be rebuilt from scratch, seeing this as a better outcome than the presence of a few fascists and sympathizers in the organization. I disagree, because (a) it doesn’t appear to me the danger of a few such nutcases or right-wing reactionaries taking over is as great as they apparently think it is, and (b) I am not sure how a pro-freedom party could as a matter of policy, exclude such individuals, if they are willing to lie about their views and pretend to be pro-freedom, without dangerously undermining its own principles and creating a witch-hunt type atmosphere. I think the best approach is for Florida Libertarians to be vigilant and use their best judgement about individual character, beliefs, and agendas when selecting leaders and candidates, not for the LNC or some other body to get involved with ultimatums, and not by threatening to shut down the party’s convention or bring down the entire party.

    Nate – I’m pansexual, not homosexual. But as a proud sex worker and defender of freedom and self-expression I wear the scorn of racists, fascist sympathizers, and other bigots as a badge of honor, so thank you for your condemnation.

  80. rob

    Conservatarian tactic # 32…

    Note the LPNV (which has called to disband LPF) is criticized for its GOP infiltrators being ‘leftists’ for attacking Invictus.

    Burning both ends against the middle, people, led by the LPF State Committee and their Chair?

    http://www.thelibertyconservative.com/libertarian-party-nevada-endorses-sabotaging-partys-convention-leftist-tactics/

    The Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of Nevada has proposed an elaborate sabotage campaign based on far leftist tactics – to take down their own conference!

    David Colburne, Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of Nevada, used the official website of state party to propose a sabotage campaign of their own Party’s conference to deny certain libertarian undesirables their right to organize within the Party. Although he was not mentioned specifically in the article, many links clearly indicate that the “polarizing” figure referenced by the article is Augustus Invictus.

    In his post titled “The Max Power Way” on the LP of Nevada blog, Colborne blamed Invictus for hiding “behind pregnant women” after ANTIFA leftists threatened a pregnant woman who is apart of his political circle. From there, Colborne suggested that the established leadership of the Libertarian Party of Florida sabotage their own conference in order to preserve “the status quo indefinitely.”

    Colburne went on to applaud the Mid-Atlantic Liberty Fest, which was slated to be held in Harrisburg, PA last month, being shut down due to terror threats made at the venue organizers. This came after the Libertarians United Against Fascism, a group Colburne also applauds in the article, urged a call to action for ANTIFA to wage war against the event. He also suggested leftist agitator Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals as a guide for established leadership to control the Libertarian Party of Florida with an iron fist.

    Colborne justifies his sabotage schemes with fevered conspiracy theories. He says it is the only way to prevent Invictus’ “very own Reichstag Fire.” He also speculated that Invictus called in a bomb threat to prevent himself from speaking at an event where he was scheduled, without offering even a shred of evidence. Libertarian Party of Florida activist Ryan Ramsey believes he knows the motive behind these bizarre tactics.

    “Nevada has a tiny apparatus totally hijacked by admitted Cultural Marxists like David Colburne and Jason Weinman, so they are prominent in the attacks,” Ramsey said. Ramsey is a Florida Libertarian close to Augustus Invictus. His wife, Brandi is the pregnant woman who was threatened by leftists.

    Over the Easter weekend, the Libertarian Party experienced a public relations nightmare after posting Satanic verses on social media during the Easter weekend, angering many people. LP Chairman Nick Sarwark also posted a condescending tweet slamming video blogger Julie Borowski that drew ire from many libertarians.

    Although political parties are typically meant to be grown, it seems as if the Libertarian Party has taken the opposite approach. After failing to capture even five percent of the vote with their “biggest name” Presidential ticket in history, party brass is seemingly on a mission to alienate potential members.

  81. rob

    Knapp and Observation

    Notice they pretend this is interfering when the LNC is specifically supporting these knuckleheads and has for years.

  82. paulie Post author

    Well you should know better than to trust a shitty source that calls itself the “liberty Conservative” and distorts everything it talks about. BTW just a link will do next time, please do not post the whole article. People can follow the link if they want.

  83. Thomas L. Knapp

    rob,

    You write:

    “Notice they pretend this is interfering when the LNC is specifically supporting these knuckleheads and has for years.”

    I’m interested in the claim. Any evidence for it?

  84. paulie Post author

    Colborne blamed Invictus for hiding “behind pregnant women” after ANTIFA leftists threatened a pregnant woman who is apart of his political circle.

    Let’s be clear here. Who exactly threatened Brandi (the pregnant woman referenced here)? Certainly not me, despite what Ryan claims. From my very limited interactions with Brandi, all of which that I can recall have been on this very thread in comments directly above, she seems to be a nice lady, despite whatever crazy shit she may believe and her choice of mate. But I have nothing whatsoever personally against her and would not dream of threatening her or anyone else for that matter. On the contrary, I gave her and Ryan congratulations on the coming baby – can’t remember if it was this thread or another one. I read the articles I reposted several times carefully, and don’t see any threats directed against her in any of them either. Can anyone point out the threats please?

    And as for threats…I suspect Brandi, even while pregnant, much less Ryan who looks like he works out, carries and practices with weapons and studies martial arts, could kick my ass. Not that I would want to find out. So who’s threatening whom here?

    For a big, bad tough guy Ryan is being a bit of a special snowflake, isn’t he? Normally I wouldn’t sissy-shame people anymore as I have hopefully mostly evolved past such juvenile attitudes but can’t help but not notice in this case he does come off as a big sissy, and given that he is the super-macho type I think that is a valid criticism.

    I mean, somehow a small group of libertarian anti-fascists posting links to his and his friends social media accounts and their contact info from public sources along with things they have said and done is a threat to him and his pregnant partner. How so? Somehow this tiny group which has never done anything violent and says they renounce violence is “threatening” him by doing this. And I am a “terrorist” and “threatening him” by republishing these same articles, even though republishing them does not say I agreed with them and I also renounce violence and have not done anything terroristic he can point to either. He also claims I am a “member” of some violent antifa group even though I have said over and over I am not. How am I threatening him or Brandi exactly?

    And then he is going to run to the FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement with this shit? If he actually does, I hope they laugh in his face.

    I have good grounds to sue him for the lies about me torture-killing a dog (more psychological projections as his friend Invictus torture-murdered a goat and who knows what he has done himself) but I’ve never sued anyone in all my years.

    The attempt to blackmail my publisher into silencing journalism is extra special too. I’m surprised Ryan has not gone to the special victims unit with this crybully acting.

    As for you, Rob, please explain why you are linking and reposting such obvious horseshit as if it had some kind of relationship to the truth other than an inverse one.

  85. David Colborne

    As I’ve said elsewhere and will say now:

    1. It’d be nice if the author spelled my name consistently.
    2. Apparently encouraging people threatening to shut down an event to, instead, just bring more people than the other guys by getting active and organized is “sabotage” and “leftist tactics”.
    3. I am now a Cultural Marxist. Seize the memes of production!
    4. There’s a lot of pepper spray and a lot of dildos in Nevada. Challenge accepted.

  86. paulie Post author

    He also speculated that Invictus called in a bomb threat to prevent himself from speaking at an event where he was scheduled, without offering even a shred of evidence.

    Which is exactly as much evidence as has been offered for the equally unproven speculation that an antifa group called in a bomb threat. Either one could have plausibly happened, but the most likely scenario is that there was no bomb threat period. However, I did see a statement by other antifa groups in the area that “Harrisburg Antifa” is a false flag fascist front group, and that’s the group that I saw obliquely referenced (second hand) by Harrisburg PD in their warning the hotel that they could not guarantee the safety of the event. If true, this lends credibility to the speculation that Invictus and his friends called in the fake bomb threat to give themselves maximum possible publicity.

    “Nevada has a tiny apparatus totally hijacked by admitted Cultural Marxists like David Colburne and Jason Weinman, so they are prominent in the attacks,”

    Consider this is from the same source who says I am an admitted terrorist, which is pure bullshit. Please show me that David or Jason are “admitted cultural marxists” (which BTW is a laughable term…take it from me, I got to actually experience the culture of a Marxist state first hand).

    His wife, Brandi is the pregnant woman who was threatened by leftists.

    Well given all of Ryan’s lies (see thread above) which I know for a fact to be lies I need proof of such threats. Please show me the evidence. He has claimed I have threatened her which is 100% false. He has claimed that articles I have reposted threatened her and I don’t see any threats in those either. He has falsely claimed that I wrote those articles; in fact, I don’t even know who wrote them and disagree with parts of them while having no personal knowledge one way or the other about many of the claims they make. But threats? Show me. Where are the threats?

    Over the Easter weekend, the Libertarian Party experienced a public relations nightmare after posting Satanic verses on social media during the Easter weekend, angering many people.

    Not mentioned is that it was part of a series on libertarian statements in the books of all the different religions, and that it may have been posted only because all those who were supposed to review things before they went out were busy preparing for the quarterly meeting.

    LP Chairman Nick Sarwark also posted a condescending tweet slamming video blogger Julie Borowski that drew ire from many libertarians.

    He was probably right, and anything anyone says draws someone’s ire.

    Although political parties are typically meant to be grown, it seems as if the Libertarian Party has taken the opposite approach. After failing to capture even five percent of the vote with their “biggest name” Presidential ticket in history, party brass is seemingly on a mission to alienate potential members.

    Potential members like whom… Invictus? By all means please alienate them. As for 5%, that would be more than ten times what any LP presidential ticket got between 1984 and 2008, and as it is we more than tripled the previous record.

    But please keep talking BS and unsubstantiated rumors, distortions and straight up lies.

  87. paulie Post author

    Do you know of any source for LPF membership statistics by year since 2009?

    Not off hand, but I seem to remember hearing they have grown by leaps and bounds.

  88. paulie Post author

    Antifa communist terrorists like Frankel and crossdressing homosexual prostitutes like Starchild should be kept far away from the leadership of any political party. We need resolute leaders, men of strength and character such as Augustus Invictus and Ryan Ramsey to lead us. How else could we defend the liberty of our bloodline and the land our forefathers shed blood to conquer and defend?

    Epic trolling fail.

  89. Jill Pyeatt

    I make it a point never to call people names, but this Ryan is so over-the-top wussie that I can’t let it go. And if Brandi’s his wife, perhaps he should try calling her that and not “my pregnant treasurer”.

    I’ve had my fill of weak men, I guess, and just can’t keep quiet over it sometimes.

    Good luck to her and her baby. Brandi does seem like a reasonable woman.

  90. Andy

    Paul said: “‘LP Chairman Nick Sarwark also posted a condescending tweet slamming video blogger Julie Borowski that drew ire from many libertarians.’

    He was probably right, and anything anyone says draws someone’s ire.”

    What exactly was said and why?

    I usually agree with Ms. Borowski and I think that she does a great job with her videos.

  91. paulie Post author

    Nicholas Sarwark Retweeted (((Julie Borowski)))
    It’s cute that you think he gives a shit how his supporters feel now that he has won the election.Nicholas Sarwark added,

    (((Julie Borowski))) @JulieBorowski
    .@realDonaldTrump Get these neocons out of your administration! Many of your supporters disappointed about middle east interventions!

  92. paulie Post author

    And in a twist of irony, the “Liberty Conservative” article’s link to the part about supposed satanism in the LP, in addition to the freetobelieve pic about satanism (among others in the series about many other religions), cites…none other than Augustus Invictus and his goat sacrifice. Well…isn’t that special?

  93. paulie Post author

    I only followed the libertycon link since Andy asked about Nick’s tweet. Sorry I gave them the extra traffic.

  94. Andy

    “paulie Post author
    April 17, 2017 at 19:32
    Nicholas Sarwark Retweeted (((Julie Borowski)))
    It’s cute that you think he gives a shit how his supporters feel now that he has won the election.Nicholas Sarwark added,

    (((Julie Borowski))) @JulieBorowski
    .@realDonaldTrump Get these neocons out of your administration! Many of your supporters disappointed about middle east interventions!”

    “Thomas L. Knapp
    April 17, 2017 at 19:36
    When Nick’s right, Nick’s right.

    Nick is almost always right.”

    I would not automatically assume from this that Julie Borowski really believes that Donald Trump really cares what all of the people who voted for him think. She was just stating a fact that some of the people who voted for Trump are disappointed about the military intervention in Syria.

    I don’t know what Ms. Borowski really thinks about this, but I’m just saying that I would not jump to a conclusion about what she thinks based on this.

  95. Wang Tang-Fu

    Andy, you may wish to see this comment in context. Mr. Sarwark and Ms. Borowski have in all likelihood conversed before, and have discussed the issue of whether Mr. Trump warranted support…would be my guess.

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