Chuck Baldwin: ‘No Hope In Trump; No Hope In DC’

2008 Constitution Party Presidential Candidate Chuck Baldwin at ChuckBaldwinLive.com:

At this point, people who are still holding out hope that Donald Trump is going to drain the swamp and save America are delusional. In less than 100 days, Trump has taken America to the precipice of World War III. He has filled his administration with Goldman Sachs banksters, CFR globalists, New World Order Zionists, and warmongers. Trump refuses to prosecute Hillary Clinton for egregious crimes against our country, but he is vowing to prosecute Julian Assange, a man whose “crime” is publishing the truth he receives from whistleblowers about the criminal conduct of the U.S. government. Plus, Assange isn’t even an American. He is an Australian. What jurisdictional authority does President Trump have to arrest and prosecute a citizen of another country who has committed no crime in the United States? None! And if all of that is not bad enough, Donald Trump killed more innocent men, women, and children last month than Syria, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and China combined.

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84 thoughts on “Chuck Baldwin: ‘No Hope In Trump; No Hope In DC’

  1. Andy

    I was planning to post this as an article here myself. I am glad to see that somebody beat me to it, as it saves me the hassle.

    Chuck Baldwin knocked the ball out of the park again. Way to go Chuck!

  2. Mark

    Parts of the article are good. I’m glad he sees no more hope in Trump. Personally I never did and was a little amazed how many people fell for this long time well known con-man.

    One thing that seemed weird and incongruous: what’s all that antisemitic stuff at the end of the article have to do with the rest of it?

  3. NewFederalist

    “One thing that seemed weird and incongruous: what’s all that antisemitic stuff at the end of the article have to do with the rest of it?” – Mark

    The “antisemitic stuff” you reference is much less anti-Semitic when taken in the context of Chuck Baldwin’s view that the modern State of Israel has very little if any real ancestry with the biblical Kingdom of Israel. He has written rather extensively about his research but it is very difficult to avoid negative branding in this day and age when being critical of modern day Israel.

  4. Mark

    Do tell. Does he believe the modern Jews are actually Khazars? Is he a British Israelite?

  5. NewFederalist

    I don’t know, Mark. I have not read all his research. All I know is that he is at odds with many in the clergy. He does not appear to me to be in any particular “camp” and is certainly not in any way a holocaust denier or anything of that sort.

  6. Mark

    Do you have any specific references of where he has written about his research on the topic? A general overview or beginner’s guide?

  7. Jill Pyeatt

    Mark, Mr. Baldwin has spoken and written about modern-day Israel often, including a 4-part DVD series. I haven’t listened to it, but I agree with New Federated that Baldwin doesn’t equate today’s Israel with the Israel the Bible talks about. I found this link where a lot of his work is available:

    https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Store.aspx

  8. Deran

    I don’t know. I’m very critical of the Israeli government, but the term “New World Order Zionists” does strike me as antisemitic. I’m critical of Zionism as a European colonialism and global capitalist integration. But still …

  9. Mark

    I’m not talking about that phrase. Follow the link back to the original article and read it to the end. It’s much longer than the snippet on IPR, and the part that I am talking about is at the end.

  10. Jill Pyeatt

    the term “New World Order Zionists” does strike me as antisemitic

    I think many people make a distinction between Jews who live inside and outside of Israel versus Zionists. In addition, I think the term “antisemitic” has been overused so much that it doesn’t mean much anymore.

    Admittedly, though, most of the people in my social circle are interested in politics so we might be more aware than the average American. Plus, I know we think differently here in California.

  11. dL

    “New World Order Zionists”

    Zionism== the development and protection of Israel as a jewish nation. In practice, “apartheid” would be a more apt term..

    “New World Order” is a propaganda term invented by the Bush the Elder to mean the perpetuation of cold war institutions and practices after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. In other words, “same ole order.”

    “New World Order Zionists” at best is a redundancy, since it literally means, sans the propaganda, “same ole Zionists.” At worst it means “same ole world order by jewish conspiracy,” which is an anti-semitic viewpoint.

  12. Fred

    Zionism is Nazism. It is meant to keep Jews separated from the rest of the world and sent to the new concentration camp of Israel.

  13. Mark

    Again, the part of the article I am talking about is not about zionism. Since people can’t be bothered to follow a link here it is:

    “As most readers know, after I began promoting Michael Hoffman’s outstanding book, “Judaism’s Strange Gods,” the supply quickly sold out. I am happy to report that we have just received a new shipment of this phenomenal book, and it is available for purchase NOW.

    In “Judaism’s Strange Gods,” Christian scholar Michael Hoffman documents his provocative thesis that Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament, but the newly formalized belief system of the Pharisees, which arose in Babylon with the commitment of the formerly oral “tradition of the elders” to writing, in the wake of the crucifixion of Israel’s Messiah and the destruction of the Temple.

    Basing his findings on authoritative Judaic sources, Hoffman demonstrates that Judaism is a man-made religion of tradition and superstition, which represents the institutionalized nullification of Biblical law and doctrine.

    Liberating the reader from the accumulated shackles of decades of misinformation, this book shows that Judaism’s god is not the God of Israel, but the strange gods of Talmud and Kabbalah, and the racial self-worship they inculcate.

    Christian bookstores are packed with tomes purporting to unmask the religion of Islam, but not one slim volume will be found delving into the depravities of Orthodox Judaism. “Judaism’s Strange Gods” corrects that imbalance with its fidelity to Biblical truth and the historic witness of the Church.

    Chapter topics include:

    *Judaism’s attack on the prophets and patriarchs

    *Contents of the Babylonian Talmud

    *Warrant for the murder of Gentiles

    *Anti-black racism

    *Christians in the Talmud

    *Judaism and abortion

    *Calendar and holy days

    *Child molestation and homosexuality

    AND MUCH MORE!

    If you don’t read any other book besides the Bible this year, read this book. It is must-reading! Plus, I sincerely believe that the understanding of the truths presented in this book is essential to freedom. I really do! And don’t wait to order. The original supply sold out in TEN DAYS.

    This comes out of the blue and, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with the rest of the article. This doesn’t strike you as antisemitic? If you don’t believe Jews are Semites, despite recent DNA analysis which contradicts the “Khazar” libel, call it Judeophobic. Whatever it is, it’s a major distraction from an apparently unrelated article.

  14. JamesT

    Yeah I really liked the article then the weird anti-Semitic crap at the end. It really hurts his otherwise great points. I mean even if you are(and should) be critical of modern day Israel like think about how you phrase it…

    C’mon man you’re smarter than this.

  15. DJ

    I’ve never understood the ‘sentiment’ for Israel, especially by the religious protestants in the U. S. .
    I’ve asked that it be explained to me but I’ve yet to get anything but condescension and deflection.

    Having argued the point that alleged Christians have nothing in common with Israeli beliefs I get the antisemitism card. I’m not a believer (religious or holacaust) for a number of reasons and not looking to be converted. But I am curious why there is such a zealotry and affection/sentiment for Israel with the holacaust is always referenced, yet when I bring up the genocide carried out against people that lived here I get either the deer in the headlights look, or I get the deflection/accusation, yet, it’s plain as day to me, that the ‘real’ anti sentiment lies in the anglo-european camp against non Anglo personnage who don’t/didn’t believe in Christianity. The irony being that Jews don’t either. Add to that the amount of monetary support and the wars in the middle east with some claiming we have to protect Israel is just plain stupid that U.S. protestants to get so butt hurt whenever Israel is not held in a favorable light.

    I just don’t get it.

  16. DJ

    As to the OT, he’s exactly right in his displeasure with Trump. But I think he’s preaching to the choir.

  17. paulie

    As to the OT, he’s exactly right in his displeasure with Trump. But I think he’s preaching to the choir.

    I don’t think he is preaching to the choir. A lot of his readers are Trump voters/supporters, and he expressed a mix of hope and caution about Trump himself. Remember, IPR is not his primary audience. He’s generally an opinion columnist with a mostly conservative readership, only a small fraction of whom identify him mostly or in any large part from his alt party run 9 years ago.

  18. Tony From Long Island

    Religion = the leading cause of death throughout history.

  19. Andy

    dL said: “‘New World Order’ is a propaganda term invented by the Bush the Elder to mean the perpetuation of cold war institutions and practices after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. In other words, ‘same ole order.'”

    Not true. The term “New World Order” goes back long before this. It goes back until at least the early 1900’s.

    It became more well known when George HW Bush (Order of Skull and Bones/CIA/CFR/Trilateral Commission/Bilderberg Group) announced it in a speech on September 11th, 1991, exactly 10 years before the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Coincidence? I think not.

    George Bush Sr. New World Order Live Speech Sept 11 1991

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxeOG_pZ1o

  20. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 3, 2017 at 10:24
    Religion = the leading cause of death throughout history.”

    Nope. Government is.

  21. Nate

    Actually, the end of the article is very much connected to the issues brought up in the rest of the article. Trump won on a platform of supporting Nationalism and opposing globalism, with rhetoric shaped by Steve Bannon. It was why many of us, having in the past campaigned and voted for Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul (and for some of us, also Chuck Baldwin) last year put our blood, sweat and tears and every penny and second we could scrape together into campaigning and voting for Donald Trump both in the primaries and in the general election.

    However, since coming to office Donald Trump has been a disappointment to say the least, chiefly due to the disproportionate influence of his Jewish Zionist son in law Kushner and Kushner’s wife and Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, a convert to Judaism, along with all of the other kosher neocons, zionists, globalists and Judaic Khazars brought into the administration by Kushner and Ivanka.

    Understanding the true nature of Judaism, Zionism, the so called Jewish Khazars and Ashkenazis and how they relate to globalism, zionism, the new world order, secret societies and global government, world finance and global media as well as war profiteering, feminism, cultural marxism, forced integration, Marxism, and many other related phenomenon is key to knowing what is really going on in the world and to taking the first steps to winning back our liberty and sovereignty as a people.

  22. Tony From Long Island

    Religion = the leading cause of death throughout history.”

    ANDY: ” . . . .Nope. Government is. . . . . ”

    You just can’t lay off the kool-ade?!?

    Humans have been killing humans over some form of God or Gods since before government as you know it existed.

  23. Tony From Long Island

    Nate again exposes himself for the human filth that he is. . . . The anger and hate that flows is just unbelievable.

    Where does he purchase the special mirror he needs in order to look at himself without shame?

    He honestly might be a dark lord of the Sith because the hate that seethes in him and his kind is non-stop.

  24. Andy

    “Nate” said: “However, since coming to office Donald Trump has been a disappointment to say the least, chiefly due to the disproportionate influence of his Jewish Zionist son in law Kushner and Kushner’s wife and Trump’s daughter, Ivanka,”

    Trump is not being influenced by anyone. He was full of shit from the beginning.

  25. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 3, 2017 at 12:32
    ‘Religion = the leading cause of death throughout history.’

    ANDY: ‘ . . . .Nope. Government is. . . . . ‘

    You just can’t lay off the kool-ade?!?

    Humans have been killing humans over some form of God or Gods since before government as you know it existed.”

    If you examine the statistics, you will find that more people have died because of government than anything else. Some examples you may provide from religion are actually due to government being mixed with religion.

  26. Andy

    What kind of man is so stupid that he is that easily influenced by his daughter? Yeah, Invanka is good looking, but come on, no man out there is going to let his daughter tell him how to do his job or how to run his business, and no man is going to take orders from his son-in-law.

    I bet that these are just cop out excuses to cover up for Trump being full of shit.

  27. Tony From Long island

    Andy: ” . . . . .What kind of man is so stupid that he is that easily influenced by his daughter? Yeah, Invanka is good looking, but come on, no man out there is going to let his daughter tell him how to do his job or how to run his business, and no man is going to take orders from his son-in-law. . . . . ”

    My GOD man! What is wrong with you??

    Plus . . how come you didn’t respond to the smack down Jill laid on you?

  28. Tony From Long island

    Andy: ” . . . .If you examine the statistics, you will find that more people have died because of government than anything else. Some examples you may provide from religion are actually due to government being mixed with religion. . . . ”

    You do realize that human beings have been around a while, right? You are not one of those who thinks we co-existed with Dinosaurs, right? I know you are a nut-job conspiracy theorist, but I didn’t know you espoused that one too.

  29. DJ

    All wars (or fights) are caused by one imposing/inflicting his will on another, be it individual or entity and religion is an entity that has been around a lot longer than gov’t’s. It’s also used as a reason when it’s just an excuse to force others to bend to the will of another.

  30. Andy

    Name a religion that has a military. Governments have militaries. Governments can finance wars via taxation or inflation.

    Governments have killed more people than any other entity.

  31. Andy

    Who here is stupid enough to believe that Donald Trump is being led around by his daughter?

    “Hey dad, I think you should launch some missels at Syria.”

    “Duh, OK princess, whatever you say.”

  32. paulie

    Trump is not being influenced by anyone. He was full of shit from the beginning.

    You’re half correct. He was indeed full of shit from the beginning, and still is. But he also has an often remarked on tendency to be influenced by whoever last spoke to him. And Ivanka and her husband, or others they selected and put in a position to do so, are often the last people to have spoken to him.

  33. dL

    Not true. The term “New World Order” goes back long before this. It goes back until at least the early 1900’s.

    “New this or new that” was used after the conclusion of each major war of the 20th century to perpetuate the institutionalism and authority that was built up during the course of said wars. It is not a secret, planned conspiracy. It’s simply what governments do. That’s how they rationally behave.

    announced it in a speech on September 11th, 1991, exactly 10 years before the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Coincidence? I think not.

    Given bin Laden linked justification of 9-11 to the 1991 US-led Gulf War, it may not be a coincidence that bin Laden chose the 10 year anniversary of the Bush’s NWO speech as the attack date.

  34. dL

    This comes out of the blue and, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with the rest of the article. This doesn’t strike you as antisemitic? If you don’t believe Jews are Semites, despite recent DNA analysis which contradicts the “Khazar” libel, call it Judeophobic. Whatever it is, it’s a major distraction from an apparently unrelated article.

    A primary reason why libertarianism–which often employs a power elite class methodology–should avoid association with and expropriation by the right-wing lunatic fringe. The lunatic fringe discredits the method.

  35. JT

    Your naivete, if that’s what it is, is touching. New World Order in Latin is almost exactly Novus Ordo Seclorum (new order of the ages) which is on your money. It was placed there by the Luciferian Freemason and Illuminati founders, and it was their secret society globalist heirs in the deep state along with the Israeli Mossad who did the 9-11 attacks, not Bin Laden. The learned elders of Zion, being part of the synagogue of Satan, have worked hand in hand with them from the beginning.

  36. Jill Pyeatt

    Given bin Laden linked justification of 9-11 to the 1991 US-led Gulf War, it may not be a coincidence that bin Laden chose the 10 year anniversary of the Bush’s NWO speech as the attack date.

    So, now you’re back to believing Osama bin Laden did 9/11? Aren’t we way past that by now?

  37. dL

    He was indeed full of shit from the beginning, and still is.

    Trump has been on the world stage for some time. There’s an easy term to peg him. Self-promotion. In fact, if I had to find an earlier era comparison to him, it would be PT Barnum. Barnum was known as the world’s greatest self-promoter. Wrote his own auto-biography and the 19th century bible for making money, The Art of Money-Getting(“The Art of the Deal”). Started out in real-estate speculation, theatre, and ultimately is remembered for the traveling circus. Dabbled quite a bit in politics and fancied himself a “reformer.” Left the Democratic party to become a republican pre civil war. If he had somehow managed to become president during the political corruption of the post-civil war era, it would be the perfect comparison.

    Trump the self-promoter heralds from no intellectual tradition. Carried no institutional agency with him necessary to actually even attempt to “reform” the government. Even if you assigned benign motives to him, from what pool was he going to staff his administration from? Answer: from the same pool that even the most insipid Republican establishment troll was going to select from. There was nothing “captured” or “turned” b/c there was never anything there to capture or turn.

  38. dL

    So, now you’re back to believing Osama bin Laden did 9/11? Aren’t we way past that by now?

    Hmmm, I wasn’t aware that I had a previous position on the matter to move away from.

  39. dL

    …It was placed there by the Luciferian Freemason and Illuminati founders,

    A bit amusing how the paleo alt-right and the left-wing communitarian SJW bend around the horseshoe to meet when it comes to the world being a product of an evil white male conspiracy.

  40. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt
    May 4, 2017 at 00:11
    ‘Given bin Laden linked justification of 9-11 to the 1991 US-led Gulf War, it may not be a coincidence that bin Laden chose the 10 year anniversary of the Bush’s NWO speech as the attack date.’

    So, now you’re back to believing Osama bin Laden did 9/11? Aren’t we way past that by now?”

    I’m surprised that there are still people out there who believe the official government story about 9/11.

    9/11 – The Truth In 5 Minutes – James Corbett

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q

  41. JT

    “A bit amusing how the paleo alt-right and the left-wing communitarian SJW bend around the horseshoe to meet when it comes to the world being a product of an evil white male conspiracy.”

    Only if you consider today’s so-called Jews to be White. In reality, they are not Jews (that is, not descended from biblical Israelites and not followers of the religion those Israelites followed, except on the surface). Nor are they White. In truth they are a Turko-Mongolic people and worshippers in a synagogue of Satan. As for left wing communitarian SJWs and left libertarian SJWs they are the conspiracy’s “useful idiots”. It should go without saying that they are primarily responsible for the 9/11 attacks as well.

  42. Tony From Long island

    Andy

    I see idiot Tony is back to making straw man arguments . . . ”

    If you want to throw around words that seem to make you look smart, look up what they mean. . . . It’s easy to reply to your actual arguments because they are so ridiculously ludicrous.

    It’s easy to call anyone who calls you out on your shit is an “idiot,” but that doesn’t change that fact that you are a nut job conspiracy theorist who is an embarrassment to the Libertarian Party.

    Andy . . . Leave the LP! – – – Please!!
    Andy . . . Leave the LP! – – – You make them look bad
    Andy – – – Leave the LP! – – – They don’t need nuts like you
    Andy – – – Leave the LP! – – – You are not a libertarian.

    Your crap is even worse that the disgusting human filth racism this board has sadly been infiltrated with.

  43. JamesT

    Man the antisemitism here is disgusting. No wonder minor parties go nowhere.

  44. DJ

    No one here has addressed the question I asked in a previous post.
    Why are protestants in the US so enamored with Jewry? I don’t get it. The 2 religions have nothing in common, yet alleged Christians who have a disdain for non-christians everywhere fawn all over Israel who are as far from Christian as are believers of Mohammad. It makes NO sense. And when all else fails, those who don’t subscribe to Jewry get the “anti-semite” card played as though that makes a difference, when in fact “semite” is not a religious sect, but a language of several different nationalities.

    Can’t help but shake my head in wonder and say once again; I’m glad I’m as old as I am.

  45. Tony From Long Island

    James, even though I am no longer a member of the LP, I am embarrassed too. Thankfully, the human filth posting the garbage on IPR does not represent the LP.

    Sadly, though. Andy kinda does.

  46. Tony From Long Island

    Andy the Delusional: ” . . . . .Name a religion that has a military. Governments have militaries. Governments can finance wars via taxation or inflation.

    Governments have killed more people than any other entity. . . . ”

    Your naivete shows more and more each day. Take the “government is evil” blinders of every now and then. It might help circulation to your brain.

  47. George Dance

    “JamesT – Man the antisemitism here is disgusting. No wonder minor parties go nowhere.”

    A complete non-sequitur. IPR, much less its comment threads, is not a mouthpiece for the ‘minor parties’. Nor are any of the commenters representatives of the minor parties; some may be members of one or another, some are not.

  48. George Dance

    DJ – “No one here has addressed the question I asked in a previous post.
    Why are protestants in the US so enamored with Jewry?”

    That’s probably because it’s way-off topic, but here’s a quick answer. Some evangelical Protestants (not all) see things like the return of all Jews to Israel, and the rebuilding of the temple, as necessary for the second coming; their support comes from their belief in Bible prophecy.

  49. George Dance

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 3, 2017 at 12:32
    ‘Religion = the leading cause of death throughout history.’
    ANDY: ‘ . . . .Nope. Government is. . . . . ‘

    You’re talking at cross-purposes. As if Tony said, “Revenge is the leading cause of murder, and Andy replied, “Nope, guns are.”

    Jealousy is a motivator; guns are a tool; they’re different types of ’cause’. Similarly. religion is a motivator, and government is a tool.

  50. DJ

    George Dance
    May 4, 2017 at 09:45

    DJ – “No one here has addressed the question I asked in a previous post.
    Why are protestants in the US so enamored with Jewry?”

    That’s probably because it’s way-off topic, but here’s a quick answer. Some evangelical Protestants (not all) see things like the return of all Jews to Israel, and the rebuilding of the temple, as necessary for the second coming; their support comes from their belief in Bible prophecy.
    ……………

    Way off topic? The discussion has been about religion and the OT’s reference to Israel.

    I’ve not seen this particular point addressed here in any thread and believed it to be an opened (by the OT) door.

    And your answer, while worthy of some consideration, it didn’t address the rest of my thought/statement.
    That said, their “belief” in bible prophecy costs alleged Christians lives which makes no logical sense. The two religions are in conflict in their beliefs about Christ. Not being a scholar it’s more than my not formally educated mind can comprehend and anyone (see OT author) who questions the Israeli ties has my attention, though I wouldn’t make it my “plank” for voting it hopefully opens others eyes and makes them question as well. It should be (IMNSHO) discussed, fully, at every opportunity. If questions are left unanswered opportunities to inform are lost. It also can be tied to the group think philosophy which is diametrically opposite libertarian individualism, and the Constitution party should not, in any way, condone “allying” with a religion since the founders and authors of our Constitution beliefs were to trade with, but not ally with…..

    But, thanks for your effort.

  51. Anthony Dlugos

    Andy:

    “I’m surprised that there are still people out there who believe the official government story about 9/11.”

    That’s because logic isn’t one of your strong suits.

  52. George Dance

    Andy – “So, now you’re back to believing Osama bin Laden did 9/11? Aren’t we way past that by now?
    “I’m surprised that there are still people out there who believe the official government story about 9/11.”

    You may be even more surprised to learn how few believe your story that Mossad blew up the WTC.

  53. Tony From Long Island

    Andy (and George):

    Why does every death have to stem from government? Are you calling ISIS a “government?”

    Was the catholic church during the crusades a “government?”

    Is every religious zealot who commits murder somehow influenced by “government?”

  54. Tony From Long Island

    Are Chechen rebels killing Russians somehow related to government?

  55. DJ

    Anthony Dlugos
    May 4, 2017 at 10:30

    Andy:

    “I’m surprised that there are still people out there who believe the official government story about 9/11.”

    That’s because logic isn’t one of your strong suits

    Disclaimer: Not an Andy fan

    But what does logic (or a perceived lack of) have to do with the (1) OT, (2) 911?

  56. George Dance

    DJ – “Way off topic? The discussion has been about religion and the OT’s reference to Israel.

    Well, just because I called your question off topic, doesn’t mean I think the rest of the discussion has been on topic. 🙂

    I’ve not seen this particular point addressed here in any thread and believed it to be an opened (by the OT) door.

    “And your answer, while worthy of some consideration, it didn’t address the rest of my thought/statement.
    That said, their “belief” in bible prophecy costs alleged Christians lives which makes no logical sense. ”

    Not a problem, if you think they’re all going to be bodily resurrected anyway.

    “The two religions are in conflict in their beliefs about Christ. Not being a scholar it’s more than my not formally educated mind can comprehend and anyone (see OT author) who questions the Israeli ties has my attention, though I wouldn’t make it my “plank” for voting it hopefully opens others eyes and makes them question as well. It should be (IMNSHO) discussed, fully, at every opportunity. If questions are left unanswered opportunities to inform are lost. ”

    Agreed; that’s why I tried to answer your question, rather than just crying ‘OT’.

    “It also can be tied to the group think philosophy which is diametrically opposite libertarian individualism”

    Well, yes, the group-think behind the Constitutional Party (they want a Christian America) is antagonistic to a lot of libertarians.

    That’s one reason that nowadays the libertarians into white & Christian identity politics (the paleos) try to hide their beliefs behind the ‘thin libertarian’ chimera; their claim is that libertarianism is ONLY about the NAP, that a racist or an elitist can be a libertarian as easily as an individualist or an isonomist.

    “and the Constitution party should not, in any way, condone “allying” with a religion since the founders and authors of our Constitution beliefs were to trade with, but not ally with…..”

    True; the founders stood for isonomy: equal rights for all, Christians, Jews, and ‘Mahometans’ alike.

  57. paulie

    Why does every death have to stem from government? Are you calling ISIS a “government?”

    Was the catholic church during the crusades a “government?”

    Is every religious zealot who commits murder somehow influenced by “government?”

    Governments were certainly heavily involved in the crusades. It’s true that a few freelance religious nuts, terrorists and criminals have killed people in the name of religion, but not nearly as many people as have been killed by governments which claimed to be atheist. And while most governments have used religion as a fig leaf in most of their wars, most of those wars were not over religion per se, but about struggles over land, power and resources. Even the crusades were only partially about religion.

  58. Anthony Dlugos

    It has nothing to do with the o.p., but logic has to do with 9/11 Troofers like Andy (who brought up the wingnut theory in this thread) because their arguments have none of this:

    log·ic
    ?läjik
    noun
    1.
    reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

  59. paulie

    Trump has been on the world stage for some time. There’s an easy term to peg him. Self-promotion. In fact, if I had to find an earlier era comparison to him, it would be PT Barnum.

    Correct. He is out for attention, adulation, and wealth for himself, his family and his friends. He relishes the thought and reality of having power over people. I don’t think he has much of an ideology, which is one reason why he is so often manipulated by whoever is the last person to talk to him.

  60. George Dance

    Tony: “Andy (and George):
    Why does every death have to stem from government? ”

    I didn’t say that; nor would I say that homicide is from a gun; I’m just saying guns and governments are good tools for killing.

    “Are you calling ISIS a “government?”’

    The second ‘S’ does stand for ‘State’.

    “Was the catholic church during the crusades a “government?””

    It did control the Papal States. More importantly, it was a part (the state church) of most European governments; The Pope was seen as above the kings, a sort of UN Secretary-General with power. And he certainly used governments to further his agenda in the crusades.

    “Is every religious zealot who commits murder somehow influenced by “government?””

    Of course not. Those who use governments do tend to kill more than those who don’t though.

  61. Great ideas

    Well it looks like Andy must have deleted my comments in the Sandy Hook conspiracy thread he posted. Hopefully he does not have access to delete comments in this thread also, so I will . try posting them here.

  62. Great ideas

    Is Andy Jacobs a crisis actor? Inquiring minds want to know. He admits that he used to hang around a bunch of wannabe actors who would do anything for money and then moved on to hanging around a bunch of mercenary petitioners who would also do anything for money. Maybe he was one of these wannabe actors and got hired to discredit third parties and the libertarian movement? Is Andy Jacobs an agent of the deep state? I understand he comes from a military family….is there a family connection here?

  63. Great ideas

    “Paulie, why do you allow this fool to post?”

    I agree. Frankel has some explaining to do here. One minute, a range of options was being discussed ranging from kicking Andy off IPR completely, to confining him to a quarantine thread. But what happened instead was that he was promoted to posting articles. Someone should write Redlich and see what the hell is going on here. A rabid skunk has escaped confinement and is running the zoo! Help!

    Another valid question would be for all of you who know Andy personally. Has anyone seen him dating an adult human, either male or female? I have a sneaking suspicion that in addition to being a frustrated actor Andy is also some kind of twisted sexual pervert who was caught doing something awful. Maybe it involved kids, or animals, or dead bodies. Whatever it was, it was used to turn him and make him a government agent/actor for the purpose of discrediting third parties and libertarians (big and small L).

    I mean these questions seriously, not rhetorically and I hope they will be addressed here. The questions again:

    1) Why is this nut/plant allowed to post articles here?

    2) Has anyone seen him dating an adult human of any kind?

  64. Great ideas

    Even Andy’s fellow conspiracy theorist, Jill Pyeatt, suspects he is a troll (plant). Here is what she posted on another recent thread:

    “Sure, Andy! Here’s a short list:

    1. Your continued insistence that immigrants are going to destroy this country by coming here to live off our entitlements, then registering to vote Democrat so they can continue the sinister plan to destroy the US, was understood the very first time you said it. Paulie patiently posted lots of proof sources showing another point of view, one that I happen to agree with, that the net contribution of immigrants is far greater than the loss, but it doesn’t appear you’ve even read them. It’s your right not to read them, but then you’ve repeated your non-Libertarian immigration crap at least a hundred times, including on many threads, and over and over again on the same day and on the same thread. We understand what you’re saying. Please stop taking up comment space about it. I doubt anyone reads your comments about immigrants anymore. I certainly don’t.

    2. You have some strange views about women. A particular one that sticks with me was from a year or two back on an abortion thread. You apparently believe women’s bodies are an “airplane” or a “boat” whose jobs are to carry a pregnancy to its destination at the end of the term. ?????? That analogy was nothing short of bizarre, and certainly doesn’t make it appear that you understand that each women is an individual with different views and priorities in life (you know, like men).

    Oh, and not all women vote Democrat and wish to be cared for their entire lives. FYI.

    3 Re: the issue of your behavior at IPR:

    A. Paulie has given you the privilege of posting here, yet you stubbornly refused to follow basic journalistic standards at Paulie’s request by pointing out how your video fit in with the blog’s theme of covering third party politics. That’s disrespectful.

    B. Along with the privilege to post articles comes the ability to edit comments. When you make an error or typo, it’s very easy to go into the comment and correct. You have been asked to do this several times, yet you choose to take up commenting space by pointing out the error and what it should have said, as if none of us hadn’t figured what you meant.

    4. My biggest issue with you is personal, and that is your continual posting of Truther info here. No one reads it or wants it here. We’ve asked you nicely to please stop, yet you stubbornly post whatever you feel like, whether it’s appropriate to what we do here or not.

    YOU ARE HURTING THE TRUTH COMMUNITY. PLEASE STOP IT. You’re so good at discrediting our movement that even I suspect you’re a troll.

    ————————————–

    I’m sorry to subject everyone else to this, but personal emails to Andy haven’t worked. I believe the above behavior is harming our site here.”

  65. Great ideas

    “Anthony Dlugos
    May 4, 2017 at 12:58
    “A rabid skunk has escaped confinement and is running the zoo! Help!”

    lol”

    Don’t just laugh. Do something. Write Redlich and see what the hell is going on. Seriously.

    “The person posting as “Great Ideas” is posting under the following IP: 198.105.220.133

    This traces back to an IP anonymizer out of Provo, UT. That’s not too far from that big NSA facility. Coincidence? Maybe, ”

    LOL you truly are a dumbass. Run my IP again, genius. Where am I now? In reality I am not within a thousand miles of Utah. I do use IP anonymizers but that does not make me a troll or a plant. Andy on the other hand shows multiple characteristics of being a troll or a plant. And I’m far from the only one here who has expressed a suspicion that he may be one. Andy doesn’t know the most basic things about how IP anonymizers work and he is supposed to be some kind of expert on these things?

    “but if this troll is not working for the NSA, he/she (the psychological profile and writing style strikes me as the troll being a male) is probably working for some other government agency.”

    Well, then, you also think that the geolocation of an anonymized IP somehow relates to actual physical location, so your opinions should be heavily discounted (to be very charitable about it). Instead of baselessly speculating about who I work for, try answering some questions that people are asking you in this thread. Or don’t, because it’s already obvious that you have your head way too far up your ass for your answers to matter.

    By the way, isn’t it against IPR policy to publicly discuss what IP address anyone is posting from? Not that I care, since it will not tell you anything about me, but you clearly don’t conform to site policies and should be removed as an article author immediately. And, multiple people including some who know you in real life are openly speculating that you may be a government plant or troll, or at the very least mentally ill. Doesn’t that tell you something? No, but it should.

  66. Great ideas

    On what basis did Andy delete those comments? What policy did they violate? Criticizing him? Pointing out that other people suspect he is the government troll or plant? Pointing out that he violates IPR policies, a fact other people have noticed? Calling on people to contact the site owner about it? Inquiring minds want to know.

  67. Great ideas

    Responding on this thread because Andy censors me on the other one;

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 4, 2017 at 13:42
    Again, Paulie . . . why do you allow this to continue?”

    Maybe you are asking the wrong person? Try asking wredlich@gmail.com

  68. Tony From Long Island

    Warren is not a big fan of me right now. Oh well, I offered him a peace offering . . .

  69. Great ideas

    Yeah, but that shouldn’t matter. Write him anyway. Copy all of the people who chose to post their email addersses on the About IPR tab at the top so they will be forced to address it. Point out all the different times he has violated IPR policies and all the different times different people pointed it out to him. Point out how he is deleting comments that are critical of him for no discernible reason. Point out how multiple people are speculating that he may be a government plant or troll.

    And not just you Tony. Although you should. Dlugos. Phillies. Anyone and everyone else. Redlich and the IPR team need to hear from multiple people why Jacobs needs to have the car keys taken away from him. Sooner or later they will have to address this. But only if you all take the time to write and call them to let them know. This rabid skunk needs to go! The ownership needs to be told so!

  70. Tony From Long Island

    It’s not as though I am a big fan of you either! But Andy is in a class by himself.

  71. Andy

    “Great ideas
    May 4, 2017 at 13:50
    Responding on this thread because Andy censors me on the other one;”

    If you have something to say to me or anyone else. come out from behind your fake screen name and IP anonymizer and say it to our faces, like a man. Otherwise, go fuck off and die.

  72. Great ideas

    “It’s not as though I am a big fan of you either! But Andy is in a class by himself.”

    Not a fan of me? What did I do? Despite Redlich’s ignorant claims, I am not the racist clown(s) JT/Nate and do not agree with them even slightly. I have no idea of what I could have said or done for you to be “not a fan” of me. But anyway, you do not need to be a fan of me, just put your feelings about Andy into action. I am suggesting what you should do about it. I hope you take the suggestion. Whether you do or not I hope others here do.

    “If you have something to say to me or anyone else. come out from behind your fake screen name and IP anonymizer and say it to our faces, like a man.”

    No. And grow up. This is not a school playground, no matter how childishly you act.

    “Otherwise, go fuck off and die.”

    Show me how it’s done.

    But seriously…how can someone with such a juvenile, tantrum-throwing mindset allowed to help manage this site? This is a serious question.

  73. Andy

    “4. My biggest issue with you is personal, and that is your continual posting of Truther info here. No one reads it or wants it here. We’ve asked you nicely to please stop, yet you stubbornly post whatever you feel like, whether it’s appropriate to what we do here or not.”

    How does anyone presume to know what site visitors want to read? There are many people who have visited this site who have never even posted here. There are literally millions of people surfing the internet. Lots of people surf onto various sites and read comments without leaving comments, and I’ve done it many times myself.

    Over the years, I have had people THANK ME for posting comments and videos/articles here and on other sites. I have even had people tell me that I’ve changed their mind on issues, and I’ve even had a few people tell me that they voted for or joined the Libertarian Party because of me.

    I am going to continue posting whatever I believe to be appropriate, and I will not back down or change my views to appease anyone. I post on topic political commentary, and I have not attacked anyone who has not done it first to me. If somebody wishes to engage in civil discourse, I am all in favor of that.

    I intend to keep on spreading the message of liberty, exposing government lies, and providing what I believe to be sound political strategy ideas.

  74. Andy

    Oh, and as for me hanging out with actors/actresses, I lived in Los Angeles for several years, but I never did any acting myself (I was never even in any high school plays). If one lives in Los Angeles, it is kind of hard NOT to know or encounter anyone who is an actor/actress, or a wannabe screen writer, or something like that. I toyed with the idea of trying it, but I never did. Most of my “rubbing shoulders” with wannabe actors/actresses was when I worked for some catering companies. Most people in or near Los Angeles either know somebody who is an actor/actress, or they encounter them when they go to eat at a restaurant or ride in a taxi or they encounter them working some other job.

    I joined the Libertarian Party in 1996. I was living in Pennsylvania at the time. I moved to California in 1998.

    I started working as a petitioner in 2000 for the Libertarian Party. It was through working Libertarian Party petitions that I found out about working on ballot initiatives. Most of the people in the petition business (of which the Libertarian Party is a TINY part of) are unphilosophical mercenaries. Most of these people don’t give a rat’s behind about any issues and will just do anything for money. This is one of the things that I DO NOT LIKE about the petition business.

    I have for years urged Libertarians do go out and collect their own ballot access signatures, whether they get paid or do it as volunteers, and I have for years urged Libertarians to go out and collect signatures on pro-liberty ballot initiatives, referendums, or recalls, if they live in a state that has th eprocess and there is one happening.

    Why have I urged Libertarians to do this?

    1) Because I think that Libertarians do a better job of representing the issues to the public, and I think that they put more of an effort into collecting valid petition signatures (as in signatures that meet the legal requirements to be certified as valid by the elections officials).

    2) Because it is a great way to do Libertarian outreach. You get a chance to talk to lots of people from all walks of life, and you can spread the Libertarian message, hand out Libertarian information to the public, get contact information from interested members of the public, let people know where local LP meetings are, let people know who the candidates are, etc….

    If I was some guy who didn’t care, and was just out to make money, I would not urge any Libertarians to do this, and I would just further the continuation of non-libertarian mercenaries to do this work.

    I really don’t understand why more Libertarians won’t go out and do this. If you live in a state that has ballot initiatives, like Florida, or California, or Washington, or Colorado, or Arizona, or Michigan, or etc…, you could work on any pro-liberty initiatives, referendums, and recalls that come out in your state, and you could EARN SOME EXTRA MONEY while helping to grow the Libertarian Party and movement at the same time.

    If anyone out there wants to get started, feel free to get in touch with me.

    Now as for my father having been in the military, he got out of the military over 20 years ago. He worked in munitions, and then in healthcare. There are millions of people who have family members who have been in the military. I have never been in the military myself.

    I really shouldn’t bother to waste my time responding to some coward who is posting under a fake name and an IP anonymizer. There is some validity to DTA Don’t Trust Anyone, but I think that a person who hides behind fake screen names and IP anonymizers should be given the eye of skepticism over those who are not posting under fake names and IP anonymizers.

  75. Tony From Long Island

    Why do we care about your personal history? It doesn’t change the fact that you are mentally unstable, devoid of any sense of reality, heartless, and just frickin’ weird.

  76. Tony From Long Island

    Great Ideas. You are correct. I have no proof that you are also posting as the anti-Semitic human filth that has been festering here. I appreciate the suggestion to help rid us of Andy.

  77. Great ideas

    Thanks Tony. If I had my way neither JT/Nate nor Andy would be posting here. And, only because of Andy, I hope the Libertarians nominate Bill Weld for President in 2020. Maybe that will send Andy far, far away from the party once and for all. Hopefully he’ll then stay far away from here too. Has anyone asked Gov. Weld about running yet? It’s early but we can always start putting a bug in his ear about it. Andy is truly disgraceful and something really does need to be done about him.

  78. Tony From Long island

    If Bill Weld were the LP nominee (which is extremely doubtful), I would consider rescinding my proclamation to no longer vote for Libertarians.

    Cue Andy’s venomous anger!!! The water’s boiling . . that’s steam coming out of his ears.

  79. DJ

    Anthony Dlugos
    May 4, 2017 at 11:14

    It has nothing to do with the o.p., but logic has to do with 9/11 Troofers like Andy (who brought up the wingnut theory in this thread) because their arguments have none of this:

    log·ic
    ?läjik
    noun
    1.
    reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

    So speaking using a derogatory name in describing a person’s thoughts or personage makes you superior in your strict principles of validity?

    BTW, reasoning is influenced by many things, one of which is validity (usually acquired by reading and regarding others assessments) by the author but typically is a derivative of reason which is a sound explanation of an event, or thought process, which leads to an assessment that not all may agree with. Apparently you don’t agree with his assessment(s) on anything and seem to find comfort,or pleasure in ridiculing him personally as opposed to giving your assessment with “reason” like he does.

    I don’t agree with all he says, but he at least says something to make me think. On the other hand, ridiculing someone doesn’t say much about the one being ridiculed but says a lot about the one doing the ridiculing.

  80. paulie

    I agree. Frankel has some explaining to do here.

    I don’t really think I do, although I replied on the Sandy Hook thread.

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