Knapp, Dickey cover 2017 Libertarian Party of Florida convention

Karl Dickey at Palm Beach Free Press:

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Marcos Miralles (photo credit: Jodi McMasters)

Cocoa Beach, Fla — The Libertarian Party of Florida (LP Florida) is conducting its annual business meeting in Cocoa Beach, Florida this weekend. The weekend has featured nationally-known libertarians and other speakers for the crowd. LP Florida is the third largest political party in Florida and is undergoing a dramatic growth spurt while the two older parties are not faring as well.

Yesterday, delegates to the convention elected Marco Miralles to replace Char-Lez Braden as the Chairman to the Libertarian Party of Florida. Despite Miralles only being 23 years old, people were inspired by the county affiliate’s accomplishments in Miami-Dade County which he is the Vice-Chairman. Miralles is easy on the eyes and we heard from several women in attendance they look forward to him bringing more women into the party. Miralles will officially become the party’s chair after the conclusion of today’s annual business meeting.

Miralles is seeking to have at least 100 Libertarians in public office by 2021 and hopes to dramatically increase help to candidates running for office. He also seeks to increase the fundraising efforts of the county affiliates and LP Florida.

As with most political parties there were some internal conflicts and there was a move afoot to replace the entire LP Florida Executive Committee. But that was not to be. Omar Recuero was re-elected Vice-Chairman of LP Florida and Alison Foxall was re-elected Director At Large 1. LP Florida newcomer Greg Peele won Director At Large 3 by an overwhelming majority.

Today, the state political party will elect their Regional Representatives who also serve on the party’s Executive Committee. The Regional Reps are voted in by each of their regions for which there are 14.

Between Friday and Saturday, noted speakers included Bernard Von Nothaus, Thomas DiLorenzo, Matt Welch, Lauren Rumpler, and Larry Sharpe. This morning, LP Florida delegates adjourn around mid-day and we will offer a full report on Monday.

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Followup post:

Cocoa Beach, Fla — So, the Libertarian Party of Florida (LP Florida) concluded its annual

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LP Florida Chair, Marcos Miralles

business meeting shortly before noon yesterday, May 7, 2017. As we noted in an article yesterday, Marcos Miralles was elected as the new Chairman, Alison Foxall At Large Director 1 and Greg Peele to At Large Director 3.

 

In addition to those LP Florida offices being up for election, all the Regional Representative offices were up for election. Regional Reps serve on the LP Florida Executive Committee and are the official liaisons for Florida county affiliates. Here is the following how the vote went down:

Region 1 Raymond McGee (Escambia, Okaloosa, Santa Rosa, Walton)

Region 2 Anna Marie Morris (Holmes, Washington, Bay, Jackson, Calhoun, Gulf, Liberty, Franklin)

Region 3 Joshua Folsom (Gadsden, Leon, Wakulla, Jefferson, Madison, Taylor)

Region 4 Ryan Ramsey (Hamilton, Suwanee, Lafayette, Dixie, Gilchrist, Columbia, Union, Bradford, Alachua)

Region 5 Joe Martin (Baker, Nassau, Duval, Clay)

Region 6 Kristen Daniel (Levy, Marion, Citrus, Sumter, Lake)

Region 7 Paul Stanton (Putnam, Flagler, Seminole, Volusia, St. Johns)

Region 8 John D. Pierce (Hernando, Pinellas, Hillsborough, Pasco)

Region 9 George Lebovitz (Brevard, Orange, Osceola, Polk)

Region 10 Char-Lez Braden (Manatee, Sarasota, Hardee, DeSoto, Highlands)

Region 11 Shawn Elliot (Indian River, St. Lucie, Martin, Okeechobee, Glades)

Region 12 Rob Tolp (Charlotte, Lee, Collier)

Region 13 Karl Dickey (Broward, Hendry, Palm Beach)

Region 14 Steven Nekhaila (Monroe, Miami-Dade)

Here are some of the scenes from the convention:

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Thomas L. Knapp at Kn@ppster:

I’m back from the Libertarian Party of Florida’s 2017 state convention. I wish I could say I’m rested up from it, but I’m not quite there yet. Still, I’d like to get some thoughts down on what transpired.

First, a huge THANK YOU to those who financially supported me in making this trip! There were things I wanted to accomplish, some of which worked out and some of which didn’t, but I think the effort was worthwhile regardless.

And THANK YOU to the convention for consenting to a moment of silence in memory of Libertarian Hero R. Lee Wrights.

So, here’s what happened vis a vis my own agenda:

The Battles I Fought and Won

  • I proposed the following bylaws amendment: “The following section shall be added to Article III, Section 4 of the bylaws (‘Meetings of the Executive Committee’): The Executive Committee shall use roll call voting on all substantive motions. On all roll call votes, the vote of each individual Committee member shall be recorded in the minutes.” It passed, and I think that’s a good thing when it comes to transparency and accountability.
  • I opposed the following language, which was proposed as part of a batch platform amendment: “We oppose using state and local resources to enforce federal immigration laws against foreign nationals who do not pose a credible threat to security, health or property.” That language was divided into a separate motion from the rest of the batch, and then tabled.

The Battles I Fought and Lost

  • I ran for the position of Director At Large 1 on the party’s executive committee. I didn’t expect to win, and I didn’t win. Congratulations to Alison Foxall, the incredibly hard-working incumbent who DID win. My purpose in running was to make one particular point about the party standing up for itself when threatened with frivolous/malicious litigation over its public communications, and I got the chance to do that. My impression is that quite a few delegates agreed with me on the matter and hopefully that will affect the executive committee’s actions in the future.
  • Thanks to my friend Paul Stanton, who nominated me for appointment to Florida’s slot on the national platform committee. The delegates chose Frank Caprio of the Orange County affiliate to fill that position. Congratulations to Frank. I will continue to work on the platform as I have been so far — as an advocate, and next year from the convention floor.
The Battles I Didn’t End Up Fighting
  • I was encouraged by several Florida Libertarians to run for a seat on the executive committee as my region’s representative. I wasn’t inclined to do so, and after informally discussing the matter with delegates from the region, my perception was that they were neither unhappy with the incumbent  (Ryan Ramsey) nor inclined to replace him. God knows I’m not afraid to pick a fight (I’m sure some people think I pick way too many), nor am I afraid to lose a fight. I just wasn’t convinced that there was anything worthwhile to be gained by picking this fight. Congratulations to Ryan.
  • I proposed (prior to the convention through the party’s mechanism for doing so) a lengthy bylaws amendment relating to suspension/expulsion of members. When that motion arrived on the floor, I withdrew it. Obviously this bears explanation, so:
    1. The convention was pressed for time, and this was an item which would have required lengthy discussion and almost certainly would have run out the clock without a vote. I didn’t want to be the asshole who kept the delegates in session for longer than necessary without getting the job done anyway.
    2. At least one other amendment came up on which this proposal would have had bearing. Pressing it would have made things even more complicated, and that other amendment also made it clear that there is a load of work to do in getting the next convention’s delegates to think about the nature of “membership” in the party, what that entails, and what powers the executive committee actually has (the bylaws are at variance with both the party’s Constitution and Florida law). I plan to come to next year’s convention with a more comprehensive fix to bring the party’s rules into line with reality, and I plan to have thoroughly explained that fix and why it’s necessary before then.

I expect to have more thoughts on this weekend’s happenings, but frankly I’m still too worn out to get those thoughts together — so I’ll come back with another post later.

Knapp also posted audio blogs from the convention here and here.

We also received a report from an anonymous source:

There were people yelling white power. Larry Sharpe went on an alt-right vlog by Ryan Ramsey called the Mad American Network. That group was with Invictus in Harrisburg, PA and at least one member, Dave Martel, was seen sieg heiling there. Invictus chased someone out of a courtesy suite with threats of violence. Invictus was then pushing Paul Stanton trying to pick a fight. There was loud applause of his speech where he hijacked our convention for five minutes, then just bragged about it…

…our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a privileged motion, so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration platform plank without letting it be read.

Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee to a “constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code for anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando area, same as Invictus -p).

Oh, and by the way – no pretend antifa protesters showed up, of course.

40 thoughts on “Knapp, Dickey cover 2017 Libertarian Party of Florida convention

  1. Anthony Dlugos

    “Miralles is easy on the eyes and we heard from several women in attendance they look forward to him bringing more women into the party.”

    uhh…wut?

  2. paulie

    Dunno.

    Maybe something like this?

    I know, that’s McAfee, not Miralles. But totally bringing more women to party. Or something.

  3. Thomas L. Knapp

    A couple of notes:

    —–
    our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a privileged motion, so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration platform plank without letting it be read.
    —–

    There wasn’t a pro-immigration platform plank to be killed.

    —–
    Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee to a “constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code for anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando area, same as Invictus -p).
    —–

    I have heard that Mr. Caprio is a “constitutionalist,” but had not heard about the statement you attribute to him. If that’s true, it’s disconcerting and disappointing.

    —–
    There were people yelling white power.
    —–

    I was not present, but I heard that it was one person, not “people,” that the person, oddly, was a man of color, and that someone who will remain anonymous except that it was outgoing chair Char-Lez Braden yelled back some choice words.

    Augustus Invictus gave TWO speeches.

    One was in his capacity as a candidate for chair (he withdrew after speaking). It was a speech about working together instead of fighting each other, etc. (more on that in a minute). Yes, it drew applause.

    The other was in has capacity as sponsor of an event which I did not attend, not having purchased a ticket. I am told that it was a speech supporting nationalism, and that it got an extremely cold reception.

    I spent some time shooting the shit with Mr. Invictus about religion, LSD, etc. I do not think that his views belong in this party and will fight like hell to prevent them from being adopted by this party. On the other hand, I agree with Thomas Jefferson who wrote to William Hamilton in 1800: “I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.” While I would characterize Mr. Invictus as a new acquaintance rather than as a friend, I think Jefferson’s advice was fair. I’ll fight anyone on the issues but there are very few (and Invictus is, so far, not one of them) with whom I’d not do some blotter or have a drink between the fights.

    BUT: Back to working together instead of fighting each other. There are some people, and I am very much aware for several reasons including some things that transpired at this convention that the nationalists within LPF are heavy with them, to whom “let’s work together instead of fighting” means “as long as I am getting EXACTLY what I want from you in EVERY respect it’s all kum ba ya, but don’t you dare expect that to be a two-way street because any time it’s something that actually matters to me I will turn on you in a heartbeat.” Just sayin’ …

  4. Thomas L. Knapp

    NewFed,

    I didn’t expect to win the contest for at-large. Like Invictus, I just wanted the opportunity to speak uninterrupted on an issue I considered important (I didn’t drop out after speaking though — I was willing to do the job if elected).

    I didn’t expect the contest for national platform committee to happen at all. Paul Stanton asked me if I was willing, and I was. I appreciated the opportunity to stand for selection, and the support of those who thought I was be the Libertarian for the job. More delegates felt that Mr. Caprio was best suited to it. That’s how elections work.

  5. NewFederalist

    “That’s how elections work.” – Thomas L. Knapp

    I don’t see how the LPF
    Could get this all so wrong.
    Tom Knapp would be
    The best there is
    And make the party strong.
    The fact he lost
    Just goes to show
    That bad stuff can inflict us
    Let’s all hope for all our sakes
    It’s not that guy, Invictus!

    (With apologies to real poets!)

  6. Thomas L. Knapp

    NewFed,

    As always, I am edified by your flattery. But I’m not sure I’m the best there is — just usually the loudest. I try, though.

  7. Great ideas

    “There were people yelling white power.
    —–

    I was not present, but I heard that it was one person, not “people,” that the person, oddly, was a man of color,”

    Was it meant in jest? Why would a non-white person yell “white power”? Is there any truth to the allegations that people were shoved and threatened?

  8. Thomas L. Knapp

    Since I wasn’t there, I have no idea whether it was intended in jest, although I have seen pictures of the guy who allegedly yelled it hanging out with the nationalists. Perhaps they got drunk and he was either mocking them, or mocking the perception that they are, specifically, racial separatists. Fuck if I know.

    One of the people who was allegedly shoved/threatened by Invictus told me about it, and I believe him. But I don’t see any public mention of it by him yet and don’t plan to name him unless he WANTS to be public about it. Short version of his account: He ran into Invictus, offered to shake hands and was threatened with violence. There was a second encounter in which he kind of went off on Invictus and in which I understand that Invictus may in fact have laid hands on him.

    The ongoing conflict mostly played out in an understated way. For example, when I made my speech about standing up against threats of frivolous ligitation I neither named the threatener (Invictus) nor mentioned his overall cause (nationalism). The “off-duty police officers” hired by the nationalists as “event security” turned out not to be a bunch of armed thugs intimidating people as I had feared might happen. It was one guy, very polite (I talked with him a couple of times). He was not obviously armed, nor did he seem to be trying to determine who among the delegates was armed (my stun gun was fairly obvious and I felt like my neck knife bulged visibly — since I came part of the way by Greyhound, I brought no handgun — and he said nothing). The closest thing to an Antifa presence was my “Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice” t-shirt.

  9. Great ideas

    “He ran into Invictus, offered to shake hands and was threatened with violence.”

    It’s very troubling that the state party there has embraced this Invictus nut.

  10. Thomas L. Knapp

    Well, it would be troubling if it was the case. In fact, the state party rejected him as a candidate by a 3-2 margin and denounced him. He’s not hanging around for the love.

  11. Great ideas

    On the positive side that was more like 3-1, not 3-2, if you mean the primary vote. On the negative side, that was primary voters, not the state party organization or even the convention attendees.

    On the other, far less positive, side, that denouncing was more recently revoked, and then the state exec comm became worse, not better, in terms of people who have shown a willingness to stand up to and distance themselves from Invictus and his fascist friends, coming out of this past weekend’s convention.

  12. Thomas L. Knapp

    GI,

    Yes, I was referring to the primary, and mis-typed.

    The primary voters are the registered Libertarian Party of Florida voters, otherwise known as the membership of LPF. They clearly and unambiguously rejected Augustus Invictus’s request to represent the party as a candidate for public office. Given his gigantic advantage in the election in terms of media coverage and name recognition, I see no reason to doubt that they were reasonably informed as to his identity and agenda.

    You’re certainly correct that the cancer of nationalism remains present in the active membership, but I think both that presence and the willingness to appease it is on the wane. I could be wrong, but that’s my impression.

    I intend to spend the next year fighting against the influence of nationalism in LPF, both in terms of educating the membership on why nationalism is an opposite of libertarianism and in terms of fighting any specific attempts by the nationalists to utilize the LPF as a political vehicle.

  13. JW Sipowicz

    Clearly, the LPF has embraced the white nationalists in the party by elected a Chair candidate endorsed by the likes of Ryan Ramsey & James Chipman, both profiled by Libertarians United Against Fascism as known white nationalists. The very fact that this new LPF Chair embraces such is disturbing and disgusting

  14. George Dance

    TK – I opposed the following language, which was proposed as part of a batch platform amendment: “We oppose using state and local resources to enforce federal immigration laws against foreign nationals who do not pose a credible threat to security, health or property.” That language was divided into a separate motion from the rest of the batch, and then tabled.

    Obviously it’s time for a Knapp Amendment, along the lines of: “We oppose unreasonably using state and local resources to unreasonably enforce federal immigration laws against foreign nationals.”

  15. Thomas L. Knapp

    George,

    Obviously it’s time for you to take time to understand my arguments/reasons if you want to contest them. The word “unreasonably” does not appear in the plank in question and therefore my argument on it vis a vis the national plank are not applicable, although the last bit is obviously cribbed from the national plank where that word does appear.

    Arguments against the above proposal:

    – Anarchist libertarians oppose the state, and therefore oppose the state enforcing laws, period.

    – Federalist/decentralist libertarians oppose the use of state and local resources to enforce federal laws, period.

    – Open borders libertarians oppose federal immigration laws on principle.

    – Constitutionalists oppose using state and local resources to enforce unconstitutional laws.

    – The final clause, as in the national platform, is open to misinterpretation — and has in fact been willfully so misinterpreted by authoritarians — in its intent. The intent is to bar entry to INDIVIDUAL foreign nationals who “pose a credible threat to security, health or property.” The willful misinterpretation is calling on that phrasing to support COLLECTIVE bans on entry on the basis of e.g. religion or nationality, e.g. “Muslims as a group pose a credible threat to security, health or property.”

    Those were the arguments I had on my crib sheet for debate on the plank. Fortunately, it was tabled before that debate had to take place.

  16. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Clearly, the LPF has embraced the white nationalists in the party by elected a Chair candidate endorsed by”

    Logic isn’t your strong suit, is it?

  17. Christopher M. Kennard

    Howdy Folks,

    I am very pleased to have met everyone, and I thank each and every one of you for the time, kind consideration, support, signed petitions but most of all, for the energy, verve and clear commitment displayed by all who I came upon in your Convention at Coco Beach over this last weekend of May 5th-7th 2017. I came away this weekend heartened by what I was seeing and hearing, with far better knowledge of who some of you within the Libertarian Party are.

    As you may recall, my name is Christopher M. Kennard, and I serve as a Volunteer Coordinator for North Central Florida non-partisan citizen’s volunteer movement which arose in 2015, called the FLORIDIANS FOR FREEDOM. Many of you came over to sign our petitions for the RIGHT OF ADULTS TO CANNABIS and VOTING RESTORATION AMENDMENT at our table near the dining area, as well as taking the time to speak with me.

    On a quick personal note, I know a number of Libertarian Party members who are friends or acquaintances of mine, but my first venture in over thirty years to be at a large party gathering, excepting for the event in Central Florida a couple of months ago. I am impressed and encouraged by the political realism and intent to succeed so readily evident in your endeavors.

    While not a Libertarian Member or delegate, I have been around and active within the political arena for quite a while, since my days working as a Conscientious Objector and Draft Counselor during the late 1960’s-1970’s Vietnam War era and on, as well as within the formations of the 1970’s Food Co-op and organic food to families movement; the Clean Water environmental movement, and as an elected ATU Local Union President, and Florida AFL-CIO CLC officer and delegate in the 1980‘s to early 1990’s.

    Many of you also seem to keenly share our observation and belief that ending the of prohibition of cannabis is an incredible campaign issue just waiting for someone to utilize to the fullest.

    It has one of the best returns on voter attention as one may wish to have as a current candidate for public office, at this precise time (elections in 2018 and 2020) and place (Florida, the 3rd largest state, with the LPF 3rd the largest political party in the state). The folks in Lake County, Florida and Alachua County can both honestly say that the voters, they do come nowadays to sign legal cannabis petitions.

    These signed petitions form the bedrock of part of your foundation to winning an election in Florida today. Legal cannabis, personal freedom, privacy rights — in this particular context— rings true and sincere. It attracts voters of all persuasions, Libertarian, Green Party, Progressive to moderate Democrats, Republicans, Trump supporters, and Independents like myself. Most people nowadays do have a glimmer of understanding of the corrosive nature of campaign cash and secret slush funds sloshing in from the interlocking web of international corporate, financial-banking and industrialists who have long “owned” the political arena.

    Legal cannabis, as presented under this Florida State constitutional amendment proposal, is as free of any unseen hands or hidden agendas as public legislation can be. It is why it originates with Florida citizens and voters rather than politicians today.

    Their currently is little to no competition to capture the hilltop and wave the flag for personal freedom and privacy rights in most political races shaping up for next year, in 2018 or as yet, in 2020. Whoever claims the high ground now, and can retain it through the simple purity of the message and power it conveys, has an “electable” issue

    Put a large easy-to-see banner sign for “Legal Cannabis — Sign Petition Here To Vote in 2018” over your tables or campaign event tent, with piles of petitions for Florida voters to sign, and see how fast and eager they are to come.

    This is due to rapidly developing circumstances on the state and the national political scene, as well as the big blow up over the voter approved MEDICAL MARIJUANA AMENDMENT II not being properly set into motion by the Florida State Legislature. Maybe a Libertarian, maybe ten Libertarian candidates, growing to one hundred or more Libertarian candidates, working in unison of an issue that will transform Florida politics, commerce and end the pollution of our environment.

    Floridians For Freedom, with the assistance for a growing number of groups are now involved in our ballot initiative petition drive to secure approx. 765,000 signed petitions no later than this December, 2017, in order for Florida voters to have the opportunity to approve this state constitutional amendment, RIGHT OF ADULTS TO CANNABIS, on Nov. 6, 2018 elections.

    Two months later, on Tuesday, January 8, 2019,it is legal to grow, possess and personally use on private property, within your own homes. This provision is self-activating and effective after we have voted to approve this constitutional law.

    Join us! Go to FloridiansForFreedom.com to print our a copy of our petition to read and consider. If you approve, sign, date and send it to us, or better yet, contact your local county group via Facebook — just enter the name of your county, followed by Floridians For Freedom.

    If you like, give me a phone call (but no texts, please—phone does not take texts) or contact me via my email address. I will respond as soon as possible.

    In Solidarity,

    Chris Kennard, (FFF)
    4315 SE 10th Place Ocala, Florida 34471
    (352) 375-0375 peacecmk@gmail.com

  18. JW Sipowicz

    Logic lesson for Mr Knapp,

    Delegates at the LPF Convention had two realistic choices: Candidate endorsed and supported by white nationalists and made zero attempt to distance himself from these individuals, or the Candidate that yelled some choice words at the white nationalists & Miami delegates that were shouting “White Power.” The delegates selected the candidate supported by white nationalists. By electing said candidate, the delegates legitimized white nationalists within the party. Therefore, the LPF has legitimized & embrace white nationalists.

  19. Thomas L. Knapp

    Apparently chronology isn’t your strong suite either. The candidate who “yelled some choice words” did so after the election.

    On the logic front, A endorsing B is not the same thing as B endorsing A, even if it happened (which, if it did, I never heard about).

  20. Great ideas

    iirc, Joe Wendt was an early and emphatic promoter of Invictus. I haven’t heard from Wendt lately but I hear a lot of negative statements about him, again iirc, from Ramsey, Invictus and friends lately. Was there a falling out? What happened? I know Wendt used to frequent here but have not seen him comment lately. Would be interested in his take.

  21. Thomas L. Knapp

    George,

    If you’re speaking of the candidates for chair, there were four of them as of the time nominations and seconds occurred:

    – The incumbent, Char-Lez Braden
    – Former Miami-Dade affiliate chair Marcos Miralles
    – Younger, but apparently motivated and accomplished, activist Zach Silva
    – Nationalist, former Orange County chair and former primary candidate for the LPF’s US Senate nomination Augustus Invictus

    Invictus dropped out of the race as soon as he had used up his speaking time.

    Up until a few weeks ago, Miralles was running as part of a slate in which the vice-chair candidate (James Chipman) appeared to be at least loosely affiliated with the nationalist faction. Chipman dropped out of the race, and out of the party, after apparently being “doxed” by “Antifa” people.

  22. Joe Wendt

    Someone mentioned my name, so I appear. Been absent and on my best behavior because I was busy on the LPF Convention Committee. My take, pure and simple: The LPF is essentially screwed for two years.

    Yes, there has been a falling out between me and the Invictus crew. Although I personally like Augustus Invictus, I do not approve of the people he’s brought into the party, or the deals his associates have made with the crew out of Miami-Dade. More importantly, the Invictus gang wants to takeover the party and worked closely with the Miralles campaign for that purpose. Both of Miralles’ designated runningmates, Chipman and Cummings, supported and were discretely involved in the Invictus campaign (oops, did I just leak campaign insider info, oh well), and were picked for that reason.

    So, yeah, it is the worse case scenario, the LPFmembership has made a big mistake, and possibly thrown out all opportunity to go mainstream next year.

  23. Joe Wendt

    Tom Knapp, a few corrections on your summary of the LPF Chair candidates

    Marcos Miralles and Zach Silva were both 23 years old. The biggest difference is Zach was qualified to be chair, since he was a former member of the LPF EC and has accomplishments.

    Marcos was Vice Chair in Miami-Dade, he was never Chair.

  24. Thomas L. Knapp

    Thanks for the corrections, Joe. I thought Marcos had been chair in Miami-Dade. I’m mostly familiar with Zach because I’ve run into him at Students For Liberty events and have heard tell that he’s a go-getter on campaign work.

    Marcos was elected chair on the strength of a specific set of plans and claims as to how he would raise LPF’s media profile, etc. Now we find out whether he can deliver or not. I don’t remember nationalism, or for that matter any ideology, coming into it other than that Chipman seemed closer to the nationalists than I was comfortable with.

    My guess is that LPF is strong enough to have survived any outcome for chair other than the election of Invictus.

  25. Thomas L. Knapp

    From Mr. Invictus’s account, regarding what followed his nomination for chair:

    “A hushed silence fell over the room. A sense of dread filled the hearts of my friends & enemies alike.”

    Um, no. A few people laughed, and a few people heaved a “Jesus, not THIS shit again” sigh. I detected no “sense of dread.”

    He gave a good speech, although I’m not certain he realizes who pioneered the tactical approach behind it — Saul Alinsky.

    As far as his contention that “the civil war inside the Libertarian Party of Florida is over,” it’s not over because it has never existed.

    We have some nationalist entryists who are capable of making noise and incapable of hijacking the party.

    We will continue, at least for some time, to have some nationalist entryists who are capable of making noise and incapable of hijacking the party.

    They’ll leave once they 1) get it through their heads that they will never get results proportional to their efforts out of the project and/or 2) identify another target organization more vulnerable to hijacking.

    My strong preference is that it not be PERSONAL, which is why I went out of my way to meet Mr. Invictus, meet his family, and informally converse with him a couple of times. For others, it has become very personal indeed. Not much I can do about that.

  26. LG

    ick , if I ever saw ASI ,it would be personal , talk to my back Invictus,no pleasantries ,no kindness ,no simple human decency …

  27. Thomas L. Knapp

    LG,

    Well, you’re you and I’m me. I can’t say I blame you for your attitude, but I’ve generally found that when I let shit be personal it hurts me more than it seems to hurt the other party.

  28. LG

    pffft you didnt even comment on the May open thread comment I made P ,and I made it specifically to entertain you! 🙂

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