May 2017 Open Thread

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Our monthly open thread. Post news tips about alt parties and independent candidates, discuss any story that should be posted here but has not yet been posted, or even delve into completely off-topic stuff…just avoid quarantined thread subject matter and things that could get us and/or you into legal trouble such as threats, libel, and copyright infringement.

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157 thoughts on “May 2017 Open Thread

  1. ATBAFT

    Last week, I had occasion to discuss “Obamacare” with a knowledgeable proponent. It is a complicated issue and I found that I didn’t have all the facts about what is and isn’t included in Obamacare, thus making it impossible to discuss the “libertarian solution” to my satisfaction. On the same day, LPNews arrived and I saw Chairman Sarwark’s comment “We need to make sure the LP has clear, sensible, and articulate positions, to show people that we understand their difficulties and have real solutions.” Sounds great, so I went to LP website to see our position on Obamacare. Sorry, nothing of any real value. No monograph/white paper discussing the facts, our solutions, and why they are better. Nor could I find such lengthy treatments of other important issues. Maybe it is no wonder a candidate didn’t know what Aleppo was? Other than it being a city in Syria, I couldn’t have commented either. Does the LP have a “Syrian expert” or even a “Middle East expert” who candidates can turn to and get an in-depth understanding of what is going on and what our position is? Do we have an expert on Corporation taxes,
    or military weapons or Constitutional Law or the Opioid Crisis? The platform’s brevity is unsatisfactory in many respects but maybe we expect every Libertarian to have read a million books and be an expert on everything? Not only is this impossible, but it could be scaring off potential candidates who know they don’t have the time to do more than become superficially knowledgeable about most issues.

    What to do about this? Maybe get volunteers who are experts in their own narrow interests to write in-depth treatments on issues, updating them as current events require, and available to be contacted by candidates who need a quick refresher before heading out to an interview. LP needs to maintain a database of information, contact and links for every plank in the platform and every current issue in the news. Maybe the Platform Committee should be permanent from convention to convention with every member of it being responsible for one or two issues, and finding non-committee experts to cover issues where there is too little understanding among committee members.
    Yeah, I know, there will be a ton of wrangling over who gets to be an “expert” because one faction or another doesn’t think he or she takes a “pure” position. But something has to be done if the great bulk of LP membership doesn’t continue wandering around with inadequate knowledge of actual laws, of what the opposition knows and says, and what the best libertarian solutions are.

  2. Jonathan

    The Prohibition Party will be holding its midterm conference this year June 13-15 in Blairsville Ga.

  3. Andy

    “Jonathan
    May 1, 2017 at 09:46
    The Prohibition Party will be holding its midterm conference this year June 13-15 in Blairsville Ga.”

    I’ll drink to that!

  4. Tony From Long Island

    Andy: ” . . . . .Trump is Pushing US Into Scripted and Pre-Planned World War III . . . . ”

    Here he goes again with the nonsense. Do you actually have a job or is your job looking for conspiracy you tube videos?

  5. Great ideas

    Andy is supposed to be a ballot access petitioner but he seems to have a lot of time on his hands for internet trolling. Maybe he has another source of income that involves him posting garbage on internet discussion sites. As for Drumpf he is an unpresidented disgrace, saber rattling at the same time as he is praising dictators, tyrants and mass murderers from North Korea to the Philippines to Turkey to Russia to Egypt to you name it. War and dictatorship are certainly in our future with this unhinged orangutang with his paw on the nuclear button. He needs to be removed from office for mental derangement while there is still time.

  6. DJ

    Mutual consent vs coercion/force or threat of force is the answer to ALL gov’t related questions. That is THE fact that needs addressed, whether it be there or here. But, our foreign policy (there) directs what happens ‘here’ since the money/financing foreign policy has to be borrowed and it’s put into circulation ‘here’ and in many cases world wide which ensures (and insures) the US dollar remains the currency of choice (even though it is a coerced/forced choice) it gives the gov’t money to buy votes everywhere here and there.

  7. NewFederalist

    Does anyone have any info on just what happened at The Heritage Foundation? Former U.S. Senator Jim DeMint of SC who left the senate to become the president and CEO of Heritage has been fired by the Board of Trustees. I’m not a member of Heritage but somehow I am on their email list (probably my address was sold to them by Cato or Reason) and it was announced they had requested and received his resignation. Anyone know what happened?

  8. George Phillies

    I regret to note that — as reported on the LNC mailing list — long-time Libertarian Lee Wrights has passed away. He had been unwell for some time.

  9. Great ideas

    Frankel

    “I edited out the irrelevant portion of the comment on the Wrights thread and deleted Andy’s response. Andy is correct, at this time he can only delete comments on threads that he posts. I am concerned that he may get too trigger-happy with comments on other threads. Posting from an anonymizer is not in and of itself necessarily proof of trolling.”

    Well thanks for that last part Paul, but the part you deleted was not irrelevant, I did correctly point out that one of the great things about the heroic R. Lee Wrights is that he told the truth about Andy Jacobs. I did so in the midst of a longer comment that paid respect to Mr. Wrights and his legacy, unlike Andy’s foaming at the mouth and complete inappropriate reply to me that you did in fact properly delete. I have to give credit where it is due and commend you for taking that one down despite your unusually close personal relationship to Andy.

  10. Great ideas

    As for Andy, shouldn’t his article posting privileges be taken away for the exact same reason as Krzyzstof Lesiak’s were? That is, even if there is nothing wrong with his articles per se, he is a mentally unstable, paranoid nutcase who harbors sick, bigoted and disgustingly reprehensible views which should be considered to be outside the bounds of civilized conversation.

  11. Tony From Long Island

    Rarely has a more truthful post been made. That would be a VERY great idea.

  12. Great ideas

    Has anyone asked Warren Redlich about that yet? And if so, what was his response?

  13. dL

    I’m pretty sure that article from Think Progress is # Fake News, Paulie.

    Nope…charged and recently convicted by 12 sheep posing as jurors…

  14. LG

    G.I_”Well thanks for that last part Paul, but the part you deleted was not irrelevant, I did correctly point out that one of the great things about the heroic R. Lee Wrights is that he told the truth about Andy Jacobs. I did so in the midst of a longer comment that paid respect to Mr. Wright”

    me -fuck you you bitch ass douche nozzle…just pay respects and shut your fucking pie hole

  15. Andy

    “LG
    May 5, 2017 at 23:25
    G.I_’Well thanks for that last part Paul, but the part you deleted was not irrelevant, I did correctly point out that one of the great things about the heroic R. Lee Wrights is that he told the truth about Andy Jacobs. I did so in the midst of a longer comment that paid respect to Mr. Wright’

    me -fuck you you bitch ass douche nozzle…just pay respects and shut your fucking pie hole”

    Thanks, LG. This jerkoff troll hiding behind a fake screen name and an IP anonymizer is just trying to stir up trouble.

  16. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 2, 2017 at 08:56
    Andy: ‘. . . . .Trump is Pushing US Into Scripted and Pre-Planned World War III . . . . ‘

    Here he goes again with the nonsense. Do you actually have a job or is your job looking for conspiracy you tube videos?”

    So says a guy who sits on his ass posting stupid comments all day while he’s at his nothing pissant job.

  17. paulie Post author

    Of course he does. That should not have surprised anyone. I tried to tell everyone what he was all about, all along.

  18. Andy

    “paulie Post author
    May 6, 2017 at 06:35
    Of course he does. That should not have surprised anyone. I tried to tell everyone what he was all about, all along.”

    I never jumped on the Trump train. I never trusted him.

  19. DJ

    I have a question, then want to make a statement concerning politics.

    Can anyone explain why the majority of national level politicians (at least the ones in the spot light) go back on their campaign promises?

    This has been happening for decades and I’ve never had anyone give me a good “reason”. If the question is thrown back at me I reply that IMO they are told when they get to DC that things will not be as they had envisioned and they WILL play along and not make waves….. after decades (at least) of nothing changing except the rhetoric which doesn’t really change at its core, there is no difference in the major party’s inside the beltway. If pressed I answer that if the person(s) I’m talking with believes a politician should stand up for what his campaign principles were they should ask JFK how bucking the system worked for him. They still insist on a Demopublican/Republicrat paradigm as somehow going to benefit them.

  20. Andy

    “DJ
    May 6, 2017 at 08:26
    I have a question, then want to make a statement concerning politics.

    Can anyone explain why the majority of national level politicians (at least the ones in the spot light) go back on their campaign promises?”

    I’d say it is either because they are a) liars, or b) they get threatened in some way. or c) maybe somebody pays them off.

    The most likely scenario is that they are liars who will say anything to get elected.

  21. paulie Post author

    I never jumped on the Trump train. I never trusted him.

    LOL…I am not just talking about you. But even you were holding out hope he would possibly be better than Clinton, and I never thought he would even be that. Of course we can’t know how bad she would have been but honestly the Trump administration is a train wreck that is only starting to take place.

  22. paulie Post author

    Can anyone explain why the majority of national level politicians (at least the ones in the spot light) go back on their campaign promises?

    It’s the way the incentive system works. Each person gets one vote, so politicians are rewarded with votes for saying things that sound good to a lot of people whether they mean them or not and whether they have any willingness or ability to deliver on their promises or not. But big donors have a disproportionate influence on the elections and they look at results, not promises. So, as far as actions go, politicians answer to those who pay their campaign bills.

  23. DJ

    Paulie: So, as far as actions go, politicians answer to those who pay their campaign bills.

    Me: Then they are in fact representing their constituents? What do y’all think about term limits mandated by law? Not that I’m in favor of more laws since we have way too many now, but, our populace is so ignorant that expecting it to vote out liars is a hopeless task.

  24. DJ

    Andy: The most likely scenario is that they are liars who will say anything to get elected.

    Me: I can’t buy that the list is too long. Some yes, but not a majority. But a disclaimer to that would be the majority are lawyers which easily summarized is; someone who paid someone else to teach them how to lie, albeit legally.
    I want to add this too. They look camera’s (and people I guess) right in the eye and lie which makes me ask; how do they look their families in the eye? Personally, I find lying, even to myself, repulsive. Professionally I can’t comprehend it….. but too, I never had the ambition to be in control of others.

    They aren’t dummies and surely they read web sites like this or have staffers who report comments to them and have to know they are not respected because they’re known liars, corrupt and as crooked as any gang ever thought of being so how do they keep up the facade and keep being re-elected?

    I just don’t get it.

  25. Andy

    DJ, most of the big politicians are sociopaths and psychopaths. Lying come naturally to them. They even enjoy it.

  26. wolfefan

    I think sometimes candidates make promises that they intend to keep, but when they get to Washington (or wherever) they find that for one reason or another the promise can’t be kept or that by trading the promise for something else they can make progress on a different issue.

  27. Just Some Random Guy

    @ DJ

    Me: Then they are in fact representing their constituents? What do y’all think about term limits mandated by law? Not that I’m in favor of more laws since we have way too many now, but, our populace is so ignorant that expecting it to vote out liars is a hopeless task.

    Term limits are an interesting idea but I do think they have to be accompanied by a dramatic increase in pay. Unless the job pays exceptionally well, it’s generally a bad idea to leave a stable job for one that’s guaranteed to only last so many years.

    Pay should probably be dramatically increased anyway. I know a lot of the people in government don’t deserve a raise (and, based on their performance, should take a pay cut), but the problem is that anyone smart enough to be a good congressperson could probably make a lot more money using their skills anyone else, and probably with greater job stability considering the uncertainty of re-election in many cases. I think a good case is made for that here:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/02/cheap_politicians_115636.html

  28. Great ideas

    G.I_”Well thanks for that last part Paul, but the part you deleted was not irrelevant, I did correctly point out that one of the great things about the heroic R. Lee Wrights is that he told the truth about Andy Jacobs. I did so in the midst of a longer comment that paid respect to Mr. Wright”

    me -fuck you you bitch ass douche nozzle…just pay respects and shut your fucking pie hole

    Thank you, Debra. BTW, aren’t you an occasional travel and motel partner of Frankel and Jacobs? I think one way to pay respect to Mr. Wrights is to quote his words of wisdom, such as:

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/04/petitions-of-denver-libertarian-national-convention-delegates-and-sustaining-members-against-the-removal-of-lee-wrights-from-the-lnc/#comment-57776

    “I am glad to see Andy here once again demonstrating exactly why we had to fire him here in NC back in 2001. We actually did him a favor and got him out of the state before the police were called on him again for harrassing people that refused to sign petitions. It seems anyone that refused to sign were enemies of freedom and worthy of his venom. You see, the Internet is not the only place Mr. Jacobs is loud. The truth evades him at every turn, his logic twisted by years of anger and spite. It is not surprising at all to see him latching on with his buddies of the national committee who have tolerated his childish antics for far too long.

    To Mr. Jacobs, I wish you peace some day and leave you with this:

    “Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die.”

    – Malachy McCourt”

    -R. Lee Wrights.

    Amen!

  29. Andy

    ““I am glad to see Andy here once again demonstrating exactly why we had to fire him here in NC back in 2001.”

    This account is filled with distortions and lies, and this jackass, “Great Ideas,” is just stirring up trouble.

    Also, petitioners are independent contractors, and contractors can’t be fired like employees, there has to be a breach of contract. The only breech of contract came from Sean Haugh. If I had known back then what I know now, I actually could have sued Sean Haugh for breaching my contract, and given that Haugh was at that time an employee of the the LP of NC, I could have sued them as well.

    The passage of time has illustrated that I was correct about Sean Haugh, as he was such an ineffective Executive Director for the LP of NC that their state party went downhill to the point where they could no longer afford to pay him (as in Haugh did a piss poor job fundraising and growing the state party). He was then given a crony job by the LNC as Candidate Tracker, where he got paid $1,200 per month to track LP candidates, yet he put little effort into this, as there’d only be around 6-12 candidates on Candidate Tracker, and he was so lazy that the candidates had to contact him if they wanted to be on there. This was a part time job where he put so little effort into it that the LNC was basically paying him around $100-$200 per hour (or more) per month to do something that required little effort, and which provided little value to the Libertarian Party, so little in fact that after two years, the Candidate Tracker was discontinued. After Haugh’s stint as Candidate Tracker, Haugh’s next LNC crony job was that of Political Director, something for which he was woefully unqualified. Others who have held the LNC job of Political Director had to move to the Washington DC area to work out of the national office, but Haugh was allowed to work from his home in North Carolina. One duty Haugh was given as Political Director was that he was put in charge of several ballot access drives, and this turned out to be a complete disaster, as several of these drives failed, and due to Sean Haugh’s incompetence, and petty, vindictive, and temperamental behavior (Haugh was prone to throwing irrational temper tantrums), the LP ended up only qualifying for the ballot in 2008 in 45 states, which was the WORST ballot access the Libertarian Party had had since either 1984 or 1988, depending upon the criteria you want to use. Haugh’s incompetent bumbling, and crazy, vindictive behavior, also caused several down ticket LP candidates to fail to make the 2008 ballot in states where the presidential ticket did qualify for the ballot. Haugh also unnecessarily funneled lots of donor money to non-libertarian mercenary petitioners, and he did not hold them accountable for bringing in low validity (as in 50% or more of the signatures they turned in were not valid), even when he was informed of this by state LP officials. One state LP official told me that he called Sean Haugh and told him that a mercenary petition crew that Sean Haugh had hired was turning in low validity, and this person told me, “Sean acted like he did not give a shit, and he paid them in full anyway.” Sean was such a lousy Political Director, that the LNC eventually fired him (or let him go, but I talked to several LNC members who told me that he was fired), but unfortunately for LP donors, he was not fired until December of 2008, about a month after the November 2008 general election. Sean Haugh’s next crony job was with Christina Tobin at Free and Equal. Tobin hired Sean Haugh because she wanted to use his titles as former Executive Director of the LP of North Carolina, and former LNC Political Director, to bolster Free and Equal. Sean Haugh did such a lousy job at Free and Equal, especially during a ballot access petition drive in Georgia for a couple of independent candidates, both of whom FAILED to qualify for the ballot, that even Christina Tobin got tired of dealing with Haugh’s bulllshit, and his crazy, erratic behavior, that she ended up firing during that petition drive in Georgia. This happened in the summer of 2010.
    .
    So what has Sean Haugh been doing since then? After burning all of the bridges he had for jobs in politics, Sean Haugh has been DELIVERING PIZZAS. Yes, that’s right, he was such an incompetent jackass in the world of politics, that none of his connections for political work wanted anything to do with him anymore, so he’s been a PIZZA DELIVERY GUY SINCE THEN.

    Also, the comment about the police being called is completely asinine, as this is something that happens to everyone who does lots of petition circulating, and it even happens to folks who have only done petition signature gathering on a limited basis, such as that Libertarian Party candidate in Minnesota who got arrested back during the summer of 2014 for gathering petition signatures to get himself on the ballot for Governor. The fact of the matter is that there is a real crackdown on free speech and fair ballot access in this country, particularly for those who are gathering petition signatures for candidates or parties or issues that the political establishment does not like, and the police are frequently illegally used to shut down free speech and to keep anti-establishment candidates and issues off of the ballot. Everyone who has done a lot of ballot access petitioning, or who has had any role in running a ballot access drive, KNOWS this.

  30. Andy

    “Great Ideas” is posting under a fake name and an IP anonymizer, and now “Great Ideas” is posting under my name. The only post above that is from me in reference to this particular controversy is the long post above where I posted a rebuttal to the false claims made about me.

  31. Great ideas

    Andy is lying. I did not post any comments impersonating him, nor have I ever posted at IPR as anything other than Great ideas. Someone else – I don’t know who it was – reposted nasty, low class, vitriolic and false comments Andy made about Lee Wrights (in the same thread from which I quoted Lee Wrights making accurate and knowledgeable points about Andy) over to this thread. Those comments were very similar to the disgusting and twisted statements Andy makes above about Sean Haugh, another hero of liberty whose shoes Andy is not worthy to polish, directly above in his rambling comment @10:41.

    Why do so many great men like Lee Wrights have to tragically die before their time while a lowlife dirtbag like Andy Jacobs keeps sucking up oxygen and spreading hate and ill will wherever he goes like the energizer bunny of spit-hurling madness? I bet when Andy finally croaks, which can’t happen too soon as far as I am concerned, few if any people will have anything good to say about him.

  32. dL

    Cons & Federalism:

    Texas and other Rethug states on the precipice of making it illegal NOT to cooperate with the federal immigration thugs.

    http://www.teenvogue.com/story/texas-lawmakers-just-banned-sanctuary-cities-in-their-state

    Possible LP Ramifications: Putrid authoritarian statism opens the door for undocumented immigrants being a natural constituency for the LP if it can throw off the remaining vestiges of right-wing conservative fusionism.

    #openBorders
    #sanctuaryCities
    #freeMarkets
    #antiWar

  33. dL

    “Great Ideas” is posting under a fake name and an IP anonymizer, and now “Great Ideas” is posting under my name. The only post above that is from me in reference to this particular controversy is the long post above where I posted a rebuttal to the false claims made about me.

    Nope…the “fake Andy” posts trolling recently deceased Lee Wrights were posted from a T-mobile account. An account that is consistent w/ alt-right impersonation garbage I’ve moderated in the past…usually attributed to “Nathan Norman.” Since you also sometimes post from a T-mobile account, it is either Nathan Norman or you…if Nathan Norman and Andy Jacobs are actually two different people(typically, all you have to do is turn off your smartphone to pick up a new IP).

  34. paulie Post author

    NF

    True or not true the above posts (if really from Andy) show a lot of class… all low.

    The comments being posted now are low class, but they are not anything Andy is posting at this time. It appears that Nathan Norman is taking things that Andy posted in 2009 and posting them on new threads as if Andy is posting them now. He is also impersonating me at times including at least 2-3 comments I caught today. The “bing bong the witch is dead” comment was also something Andy once posted, but it was not about Wrights passing away but rather about Haugh no longer being employed at national back when that happened (I think it was also around 2009, maybe 2010). I am deleting this crap whenever I catch it and have alerted the other IPR editors to keep an eye out for it.

  35. NewFederalist

    Thanks for explaining that, paulie. I know Andy can get a bit over the top at times but I suspected it was not him. It is not his style.

  36. paulie Post author

    I think one way to pay respect to Mr. Wrights is to quote his words of wisdom

    I disagree that quoting his negative opinion of another LP member is any sort of way to pay respect. It’s just as inappropriate as bringing up that other activist’s negative opinion of him at the time when he has just passed away.

  37. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 8, 2017 at 09:37
    Hey Andy! Can you come up with a conspiracy theory for this one?”

    I don’t invent “conspiracy theories”. I examine evidence, and I go where the evidence takes me. I don’t know enough about this story you posted to comment.

  38. Great ideas

    “I don’t invent “conspiracy theories”. I examine evidence, and I go where the evidence takes me. I don’t know enough about this story you posted to comment.”

    LOL…good one, Andy!

    You dudes are on fire with the funny jokes today.

  39. Tony From Long Island

    Yeah . . . where the “evidence” takes you . . . does that “evidence” lead to a padded room?

  40. Andy

    Hey look, the government troll “Great Ideas” is trying to cast himself in a different light now. Isn’t that cute? Gotta hand it to those trolls, they are always looking to play different angles out of the government troll playbook.

  41. Great ideas

    Andy Jacobs’ evidence that I am a “government troll” which he keeps repeating like a broken record of a parrot squawking?

    1) I use IP anonymizers

    2) I don’t like his scary, long-winded, bigoted, conspiracy-mongering ass.

    That’s it. Nothing else.

    Now between me and Andy, how many people here think I am the one who is more likely to be a government troll? Serious question. Obviously I am not asking Andy since we already know what he will say. I think he is pretty likely to be one himself, so let’s also take that as a given.

    How about the rest of you….what do you think?

  42. Tony From Long Island

    I don’t think the government would touch Andy with a ten foot pole. He’s too mentally unstable to be of any use to them. Plus I don’t think they honestly give a rat’s ass what happens on the IPR forums.

  43. Great ideas

    “Andy is hopping mad and wants a refund!

    https://wonkette.com/615942/tax-dodging-nazi-sovereign-citizen-furries-forced-to-cancel-denver-furry-convention-yes-really

    I apologize for the suggestion that Andy would be a member of this group, even though it was made in jest. I have been contacted by members of the group who were very offended at the idea that they would allow Andy Jacobs to join. As crazy and reprehensible as this group is, in retrospect, it was not fair to them to associate them with Andy, even as a joke.

  44. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Hey Andy! Can you come up with a conspiracy theory for this one?”

    It’s obvious that the purpose of landing that craft at the time and in the place it was landed was to backstop my morning alarm with a sonic boom so that I wouldn’t be late to my volunteer duties at the LPF state convention a few miles away. The government just doesn’t want you to know that the Libertarian Party has seized control of its top secret space plane.

  45. LG

    Thank you, Debra. BTW, aren’t you an occasional travel and motel partner of Frankel and Jacobs? _

    Nope ,just P daddy bitch ,never Andy , although I have kickedit with him because he was with my friend and I wanted to see my friend. MY FRIEND PAULIE ,Andy I tolerate.

  46. Great ideas

    Thank you again, Debra. So is it your testimony that Andy was not rooming with Paul any of the times that you were in the motel together?

  47. George Phillies

    The NH House Libertarian Caucus will have a press conference on Wednesday the 10th, 11-12AM, to announce that the size of the caucus is about to double. By inference, another NH State Representative is about to change parties to the Libertarian.

  48. George Phillies

    NH Representative Joseph Stallcop (Cheshire-4) announces joining the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire and NH House Libertarian Caucus with Rep. Caleb Q. Dyer

  49. LG

    He may have been in the gallery while we were filming my BBC gangbang but I was REALLY high and dont remember:)

  50. Great ideas

    Who, State Rep Joseph Stallcop? Wasn’t he underage at that time? And since when does the British Broadcasting Corporation show gangbang videos?

  51. paulie Post author

    The only time I asked either of them about it, Aaron denied the common rumor that he was dating Alicia. He said he did have a girlfriend but did not say who she was other than not Alicia. It was a few years ago…I think maybe the night we all had dinner together with you, me, him and a bunch of other people. Maybe things changed after that but they were already commonly believed to be dating for several years before that iirc.

  52. paulie Post author

    Wes Benedict via icontactmail2.com
    10:04 am (3 days ago)

    to me

    You are invited
    to a special conference call about
    Outreach to the Center

    LNC Representative
    Joshua Katz

    Tuesday, May 16

    5 PM Pacific
    6 PM Mountain
    7 PM Central
    8 PM Eastern

    Joshua has been elected to two offices: Chief of Emergency Medical Services in Hempstead, NY, and later as member of the Planning Commission in Westbrook, CT. He currently serves as an At Large Representative on the Libertarian National Committee.

    TO RSVP
    email RSVP@lp.org
    and we will send you
    the call-in information.

  53. Andy

    “LG
    May 9, 2017 at 21:02
    ‘Thank you, Debra. BTW, aren’t you an occasional travel and motel partner of Frankel and Jacobs? _’

    Nope ,just P daddy bitch ,never Andy , although I have kickedit with him because he was with my friend and I wanted to see my friend. MY FRIEND PAULIE ,Andy I tolerate.”

    It should be pretty obvious to anyone who has been paying attention here at IPR for awhile, and is not a complete dolt, that IPR has been under government surveillance for a long time (keep in mind that it came out a few years ago that the government was spying on Anti-War.com), and has been attacked by government trolls posting under fake names and IP anonymizers. Those of us who are active in the Libertarian Party and movement, as well as other alternative political parties and movements are all under government surveillance. It came out decades ago that the government keeps files on political activists, and that they run COINTELPRO operations to sabotage political groups that those in government do not like.

    This piece of shit posting as “Great Ideas” hides behind a fake name and an IP anonymizer because they are a government spook. They are spying on us through our cell phones, and whatever other means the modern day web of technology has, and they likely have spies/saboteurs showing up at Libertarian meetings/events/conventions as well, and this in fact already came out in a few FOIA requests that I’ve heard about from multiple sources in the LP back in the 1970’s, 1980’s, and early 1990’s. A person I know who has been in the LP since the 1970’s, told me that it was pretty much an open secret back in the 1970’s and early 1980’s that the LP was being spied on by the government. It is 2017, and if anything, it is not unreasonable to suggest that if anything, the spying, infiltration (see the last three presidential nominating conventions), and sabotage has increased, particularly now that we are in an age of mass surveillance via technology that surrounds us by various government agencies like the NSA and the CIA, as well as the relatively new DHS (Department of Homeland Security), and the Patriot Act. After Adam Kokesh’s recent arrest in Washington DC while protesting and news reporting in front of the White House, government agents admitted to him that they already knew who he was due to hidden cameras with facial recognition software, and that they have government agents that monitor his YouTube channel. It is a fact that various government agencies, both in the USA, as well as many other agencies from other governments around the world, hire people to post government propaganda online, and to monitor websites, and to attack those who post messages that people in government do not like. The internet is CRAWLING with government trolls who hide behind fake screen names and IP anonymizers.

    Paul and I did travel through Las Vegas back in 2011, twice. The first time we were headed west, to San Diego, CA. I did not want to stop in Vegas, because it was not the quickest route from the direction in which we were traveling. I wanted to take the route that would have taken us through Phoenix. Paul really wanted to go through Las Vegas, and he kept badgering me about it. I finally gave in because I do enjoy visiting Las Vegas, and the last time before this that I had driven through northern Arizona, it was freezing cold, so I thought it would be nice to go through that area when the weather was nicer.

    Note that the deviation from the quickest route was OUT OF MY WAY, probably by a few hundred miles. Paul did cover half of the travel expenses, but this was still WEAR AND TEAR ON MY CAR, and it also cost me two or three days that I could have been working in California.

    So we drove to Las Vegas, and while there, Paul wanted to meet with Debra, so I drove to where Debra was located, and then we went to a casino (in my car).

    Paul and I passed through Las Vegas again later that year, but at least this time, Las Vegas was actually on the way to where we were headed. While in Las Vegas on that occasion, we had breakfast with Joe Buchman (who was in Vegas for some kind of convention). We also met with Debra again, this time by a pool in the neighborhood where she lives. During the course of conversation there, she asked me about a particular controversy. I told her that it was a long story, but she said that she wanted to hear it. The story was long, and was made longer due to being interrupted several times, and then I was criticized ex post facto for the story being long, even though I had warned about that beforehand, and even though Debra was the one who brought it up in conversation.

    Debra, don’t worry about “tolerating” me in the future. I won’t bother going out of my way to drive anywhere for you in the future, and if we are ever in the same place again, I won’t bother speaking to you, so then you won’t have to “tolerate” me anymore.

    I actually met Debra, along with Jim Duensing, and a few other members of the Libertarian Party of Clark County, NV, way back in the fall of 2004, when I was gathering petition signatures for a marijuana legalization ballot initiative at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. I was standing outside the student center, when a group popped up (Debra stood out at the time because she had dreadlocks back then). I asked them to sign the petition to legalize marijuana in Nevada. They said that they wanted to sign, so I passed out clip boards and pens, and during the course of signing they told me that they were Libertarians. I told them that I was a Libertarian as well. They asked me if I was going to the debate. I asked what debate. They said that Jim Duensing was running for US House, and that he was going to be debating the Democrat incumbent, and the Republican challenger, upstairs at in the student center. I went up and watched the debate. Jim Duensing did a good job in the debate, especially when he nailed the Democrat for having voted for the Patriot Act without having read it. After the debate was over, there was supposed to be a question and answer session with the audience. There were several Libertarians in the audience who had their hands raised to ask questions of the candidates. The Democrat got to pick the first person to ask a question, and it was pretty obvious that the person the Democrat chose was a Democrat plant who asked a softball question that was geared to make the Democrat incumbent look good. After this, the Democrat got up and said, something like, “OK, the question and answer session is over.” and then she bolted out of the room. The Republican followed pretty quickly. They knew that there were several Libertarians in the audience, and they did not want to have to answer questions from any Libertarians.

    The Clark County LP was pretty active back then. The printed up some glossy campaign literature and groups of them were going around the Las Vegas metropolitan area handing out this campaign literature to the pubic. They also had a bunch of campaign signs made, and they planted them in the ground throughout the Las Vegas metropolitan area (the only bad thing about the signs was that the print should have been a little bigger, as depending on where the signs were planted, some of them were hard to read from the road). I VOLUNTEERED to help them distribute their campaign literature, so they gave me a stack of around 200 brochures, and I handed everyone of them out while I was gathering signatures for the marijuana initiative.

    I would not be surprised if I am the number #1 pamphleteer (as in person who hands out pamphlets, brochures, flyers, VHS tapes, DVDs, bumper stickers, etc…) in the history of the Libertarian Party. If there is anyone who has handed out more Libertarian stuff to the public (I’ve done a good bit of this at my own expense, as in I paid for some of it out of my own pocket, with no reimbursement), I’d like to know who that person is. If I’m not #1 in this category, then I’d have to be high on the list, but I think that there is a good chance that I am #1 in this category. This, along with all of the other activism that I’ve done, especially all of the many political things I have posted online, has made me a target of the government trolls.

    The government spies on everyone to some degree, but they don’t target everyone. They mostly target people who are political activists for things that the mainstream politicians do not like. This would include pretty much everyone who is a supporter of alternative political parties and independent candidates. So if you are at all active in the Libertarian Party, or the Green Party, or the Constitution Party, or some other alternative party/movement, the government almost certainly has a file on you. If you are not being attacked by internet trolls, or you are not being attacked in some other manner, then it probably means that you are not a very effective activist. If you are an effective activist, prepare to get attacked, slandered, sabotaged, etc….

  54. Andy

    “hey are spying on us through our cell phones, and whatever other means the modern day web of technology has, and they likely have spies/saboteurs showing up at Libertarian meetings/events/conventions as well”

    Keep in mind that everything that I am alleging has already been documented as something that the government has been caught doing. It is a fact that they hire people to troll online. It is a fact that they have been caught spying on websites (like Anti-War.com). It is a fact that they have sent infiltrators into various organizations (do search on YouTube about the peace groups in Minnesota and Washington that got spied on an infiltrated by the government, where, in both cases, a government infiltrator weaseled their way into these organizations, and ended up chairing local peace meetings). It is a fact that the Department of Homeland Security said that they spy on Americans who hold anti-government views (the Department of Homeland Security got caught spying on liberty activists and environmental activists in Pennsylvania a few years ago). The Denver Police Department got caught back in the early 2000’s spying on and keeping files on the local Libertarian Party, as well as other activist groups in Denver.

    If you think that any of this stuff sounds crazy, then you have not been paying attention.

  55. paulie Post author

    Andy @1:03 pm, 1:12 pm

    Good use of your time. Next time warn me beforehand and I will take the bus.

  56. Andy

    Paul and I were also in Las Vegas in 2012, at the LP National Convention, although we did not stay in the same place that time (Paul staid at the convention venue, I staid at a motel that was quite a few miles away). We did eat dinner or lunch at a restaurant one day with several other people, and Debra was one of the ones present at this meal (I can’t recall the names of the other people there, it was not anyone that I knew very well).

    Paul and I were also in Las Vegas in the summer of 2013 when there was an LNC meeting that coincided with Freedom Fest. Paul rode in on a bus, I flew there. Debra was one of the local Las Vegas area Libertarians who showed up at the meeting. I recall one night after the meeting we were trying to help her find somebody who had previously agreed to give her a ride home (or something like that).

    I have not seen Debra since then, and I don’t think that Paul has either.

    I was in Las Vegas for about 3 weeks in 2014 to work on a marijuana legalization ballot initiative petition. I was there by myself that time. I thought about going to a Clark County Libertarian Party meeting while I was there, but I ended up not going. I had previously suggested to Paul, as well as somebody else, who was passed this suggestion on to Brett Pojunis, was was the State Chairman of the LP of NV at that time, that local Libertarians work as paid petitiioners on the marijuana petition, and that they use it as an opportunity to hand out campaign materials that they had printed up, and to also gather contacts information for anyone they encountered in the field who was interested in the LP, and to also carry voter registration forms to hand out to anyone who was interested, but who was not registered to vote, and to encourage those people to register as Libertarians (note that in Nevada, these people could not sign the petition after filling out the voter registration and have their name count on the petition, unless the petition circulator turned in the voter registration form the same day to the election office, which is not practical, but they still could have handed out the registration forms while gathering signatures). Unfortunately, nobody from the LP of Nevada bothered to follow my suggestion. One of their candidates at that time was once again, Jim Duensing, and he was running in a two way race for Clark County District Attorney. I believe his opponent was a Republican. I don’t know if Jim could have realistically won this election or not, but I’d bet that if my suggestion had been implemented, he could have gotten a lot more votes than he ended up getting.

    There was also a Michael Bloomberg back gun control ballot initiative going on at the same time. I REFUSED to work on this petition, and I may have been the only paid petitioner there that boycotted this petition (although a few petitioners did tell me that they did not agree with the gun control petition, and that they were just doing it for the money). I could have easily made a lot more money if I had worked the gun control initiative, but I did not do it out of principle, and as usual, I received no credit from anyone for “sticking to my guns” so to speak.

    The gun control initiative passed, but there was apparently a problem with getting funding to implement it, so I don’t think that it has actually been implemented in Nevada, which is good if true. I did hear that Bloomberg and his fellow anti-gun rights fanatics are planning to comeback with more gun control measures in the future.

  57. LG

    Andy’s right I DID ask about his “issue” , fair warning to everyone, NEVER EVER say Sean Haugh to Andy.

  58. Andy

    When did I become a fascist sympathizer? That is news to me. I do not know what you are talking about, and neither do you.

  59. Great ideas

    Andy has always been a fascist sympathizer. Maybe he just did a better job of hiding it before. LIke Jill Pyeatt said on another thread recently:

    “I really hope this comment is from our Nazi troll, and not Andy Jacobs. It’s pathetic that I can’t tell the difference.”

  60. Great ideas

    That comment which she refers to BTW is still up which presumably means that Andy did in fact post it.

  61. Great ideas

    And of course, Jill is far from the only one here to have made similar observations here in recent months. However, note that Andy says these have been his views all along.

  62. Great ideas

    “NEVER EVER say Sean Haugh to Andy.”

    Andy is not worthy to lick Sean Haugh’s shoes clean.

  63. Great ideas

    Sure looks like Andy has a lot of time to post lots of loooooong comments at IPR all the time. He says he goes to a lot of other boards too. Must be his full time job. If he was doing it on his own time and had to rely on gathering signatures for his only means of support he would no doubt be starving and sleeping under a bridge.

    He also seems to know a lot about internet trolling. Hmmmmmmm.

  64. Andy

    Let’s see. I am anti-corporatism, anti-military imperialism, anti-war on drugs, anti-mass warrantless domestic spying, and generally anti-government, as I have called for the abolition of the state in favor of a voluntary contract based private property libertarian anarcho-capitalist society.

    The last time I can think of my having altered any issue stances was back in the early or mid 2000’s. I used to be pro-death penalty, but I altered my stance due to a) the possibility of the wrong person being executed, and b) the fact that the death penalty is not handed out fairly, and could be politically motivated. I also used to be pro-abortion, but then I began to see that evidence suggested that life begins at conception, and that abortion is an act of aggression, which makes it a violation of the NAP (the only exception I could see would be in the case of rape). I still think that some people deserve to die, but I just do not think that the government death penalty is the way to go. I do not think that anything can be done to reduce the demand for abortions without first changing cultural attitudes.

    Other than this, I do not think I have altered any issue stances in a long time. I suppose that I have come up with and found out about more ways that society could function without a coercive state, but philosophically, I already agreed with anarcho-capitalism back in the 1990’s. It did not take me that long after I discovered libertarianism to figure out that if you took it to its logical conclusion that it led to anarchism, I just was not sure that an anarchist society was possible. I still do not think that it is possible UNLESS you were to have a society that consisted of hardcore libertarians, or at least mostly of hardcore libertarians. This is why I favor libertarians breaking away from the rest 9f society and forming our own communities (see my Libertarian Zone concept, posted here at IPR). There are a lot of people in this country, and on this planet, who I have serious doubts about ever adopting libertarian principles.

  65. Andy

    Predictably, the troll posting under the fake name “Great Ideas”, is back to stir up trouble and spread BS while hiding behind an IP anonymizer.

    I am anti-New World Order, anti-socialist, anti-communist, and yes, anti-fascist. I can’t stand nanny statists and left wing Social Justice Warriors. I dislike political correctness. I cant stand neo-cons. I don’t like police and military jockstrap sniffers. I do not like Democrats or Republicans (with only rare exceptions, like when Ron Paul ran as a Republican).

  66. Tony From Long Island

    Who is going to read all that crap Andy? Look up the word “succinct.”

    Have a great weekend everyone . . . .except Andy.

  67. Andy

    And “Great ideas” does not have the balls to come out from hiding.

    I am being attacked because I am hitting too close to the truth, and because I am effective.

  68. Great ideas

    No Andy, you are being called out for being a bigoted xenophobic jackass and mocked for being a hypocritical, long winded, angry, ranting, paranoid conspiracy nut. Also, as someone not worthy to lick Sean Haugh’s shoes clean if he stepped in dogshit. But really you are the one who keeps “stepping in it” all the time. The only thing you are effective at is drawing derision and head shaking and chasing people off here.

  69. robert capozzi

    Netflix has released a documentary entitled GET ME ROGER STONE. Recommended. There is a third-party angle as well.

  70. Andy

    Opposing anti-libertarians entering a land territory is not xenophobic. If I was just a xenophobe I would not have endorsed Chinese immigrant, Lily Tang, for US Senate in Colorado last year.

    These are just smear tactics.

  71. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Sure looks like Andy has a lot of time to post lots of loooooong comments at IPR all the time. He says he goes to a lot of other boards too.”

    Presumably that’s why he posts with just a first name (all the while bitching about anyone else who doesn’t post under their full birth names with a list of all known aliases and a picture of a driver’s license) — to make it harder to see where all he’s posting and what the content is.

  72. Great ideas

    “Presumably that’s why he posts with just a first name (all the while bitching about anyone else who doesn’t post under their full birth names with a list of all known aliases and a picture of a driver’s license) — to make it harder to see where all he’s posting and what the content is.”

    Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner!

  73. Great ideas

    ” If I was just a xenophobe I would not have endorsed Chinese immigrant, Lily Tang, for US Senate in Colorado last year.”

    And yet, when she was just a 20-something Chinese woman seeking to immigrate to the US and not yet a libertarian, you would have discriminated against letting her in, based not on anything she ever did or said herself but solely on the voting patterns of other Chinese-American immigrants and other Chinese-Americans who descend from them. True or false?

  74. LG

    let me clear ,andy with all his faults is still a more genuine person than you ,whoever you are.

    Andy , on other threads it seemed to meyou were defending Invictus , whom I find appalling.

  75. Great Ideas

    “let me clear ,andy with all his faults is still a more genuine person than you ,whoever you are. ”

    And you base this on what exactly?

    “Andy , on other threads it seemed to meyou were defending Invictus , whom I find appalling.”

    Andy will claim something disingenuous, like he is just giving Invictus the benefit of the doubt, but yes…yes he is.

  76. LG

    you just seem like a butt head man , based solely on what you say here,maybe your not , IDK but attacking Andy like hes public enemy #1 just seems like kicking a homeless dog…

  77. Great Ideas

    Public enemy #1? Far from it. I feel for the poor fella. Something horrible must have happened to him, over and over and over and over again, when he was a young ‘un, plus no doubt he must have drawn the short straw at his government agency with this assignment. No doubt he is the biggest jerk on this message board and maybe a half a dozen others, but that’s about it. That and the fact that he never shuts up and just keeps going and going endlessly.

    When I first showed up he accused me of being a government agent almost immediately based on nothing whatsoever and I have seen him do the same to many others. IMO he is the biggest detriment to this site but that is as far as it goes.

  78. LG

    admittedly Ive been MIA from IPR but I can say with certainty Andy is sooo far from the biggest jerk on this message board. There are notorious aholes that post here, you MUST be new.. also you gotta be kidding about him being a government agent….THATS HILARIOUS

  79. Great Ideas

    “I can say with certainty Andy is sooo far from the biggest jerk on this message board. There are notorious aholes that post here”

    Such as?

    I’m just going by what I see here.

  80. Thomas L. Knapp

    GI,

    I’ve always assumed that I’m the biggest jerk here at IPR. There’s a trick to being a big jerk — you can’t be pathetic/pitiful at the same time. It’s one or the other. Andy creates way too much of a “poor guy, must have been dropped on his head when he was a baby” vibe to excel in the big jerk role.

  81. Great Ideas

    ” There’s a trick to being a big jerk — you can’t be pathetic/pitiful at the same time. It’s one or the other. Andy creates way too much of a “poor guy, must have been dropped on his head when he was a baby” vibe to excel in the big jerk role.”

    Well…you do have a point there.

  82. Andy

    If anyone wants to debate me on any political topic. It can happen at any LP meeting or convention. I will likely attend the national convention in New Orleans next year. Before then, it will depend on what is close to where I am, or if some other event happens that I would like to attend, and am able to make it (I would love to go to Porcfest this year, but I probably will not be able to make it).

  83. Great ideas

    A public debate between the two master debaters, Andy J and Nathan N, would be entertaining. I would definitely watch that.

  84. Andy

    “Great ideas
    May 17, 2017 at 10:08
    A public debate between the two master debaters, Andy J and Nathan N, would be entertaining. I would definitely watch that.”

    It would not surprise me if you are the same person who play the Nathan Norman character.

  85. Great ideas

    I have that same suspicion about you. If you appear in a debate with him maybe fewer people would think you two are actually the same person.

  86. paulie Post author

    lnc-votes@hq.lp.org via googlegroups.com
    1:36 PM (1 hour ago)

    to lnc-business
    An idea from a local YAL group that I spoke at recently:

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Helen Hankey
    Date: Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:41 PM
    Subject: Libertarians against Trump
    To: arvin@vohramethod.com

    Dear Mr. Vohra,

    This is Helen Hankey. You came to speak before my club on May 11th, which I really enjoyed.

    I think now is as good a time as any to show the world that Libertarians are far from complacent. The time is now to organize a march on Washington, D.C. similar to the Women’s March that got so much coverage in January. I’m sure you’re aware Trump is the opposite of Libertarian: he opposes free markets, the free press, and has interventionist foreign policy. We need to recognize the power marches have nowadays and use it to our advantage. I look forward to your reply, this is just an idea I’m tossing around. Maybe the Women’s March was a few months ago, but it’s only too late if we don’t start now.

    Sincerely,

    Helen Hankey


    Arvin Vohra

    http://www.VoteVohra.com
    VoteVohra@gmail.com
    (301) 320-3634

  87. Jill Pyeatt

    I’ve heard talk of such a march here in Los Angeles (March Against Trump). I’ll put my feelers out and see what I can find out.

  88. Darryl W. Perry

    Open Letter to the LNC:

    I’m writing to you as a Life Member of the Libertarian Party, as one of the candidates for the 2016 LP Presidential nomination, and as a Conscientious Objector, and not in my official capacity as Chair of the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire.

    I ask that you either vote NO on the “Libertarian National Committee Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party” or consider changing your vote from YES to NO.
    There are already at least 3 political parties (GOP, Dems & Constitution Party), possibly more, that put military members on pedestals and pander for their votes.
    I can’t tell you how often I hear people say “men and women have died or served time to make this great country free” or some other variation thereof. This is the trump card of the anti-Anti-War crowd, along with “freedom isn’t free” – which usually implies that people must die (the blood sacrifice) in order for you to have your freedom. She and others seem to believe that peace and freedom can only be achieved through bloodshed. Though even with much blood being shed the Congress has been taking away freedoms left and right for the past 100 years.
    I’m really disappointed that some members of the LNC want to jump aboard the “Military is wonderful, and can do no wrong” train. With Memorial Day around the corner, we should be spreading the message of peace, and encouraging people to not fall for the lies of military recruiters!
    Again, I respectfully ask you to vote NO on the Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party, and to likewise vote against on the motion to remove Arvin Vohra as Vice Chair, unless there are specific bylaws violations that can be cited.

    In Liberty,
    Darryl W. Perry

  89. Libertarians for Lieberman

    Libertarians for Lieberman are very excited that President Trump is considering selecting former Independent Senator Joseph Lieberman as FBI Director. Lieberman is a great American and true Libertarian.

  90. Libertartardians for Trump

    L 4 L ,

    I agree with you, but you forgot to mention that President Trump is also a former member of the Reform and Independence parties, and therefore a true Libertarian as well.

    Regards,

    L 4 T

  91. Libertarians for Lieberman

    The “tard” in your name sounds like “retard.” Does your org even exist or are you making anti-semitic attacks against us?

  92. Libertartardians for Trump

    Sorry, it was a Freudian slip. The organization does exist but there is no d in it. It was started by a fellow semite, Walter Blockhead. Oy gevalt, with the meshuggas!

  93. Libertarians Fort Rump

    Oy vey iz mir! Are you kidding me with these Freudian slips? There’s no head on the end of his last name either. Walter Block. Block. No head, just Block.

  94. Libertarians for Lieberman

    This is the INDEPENDENT Political Report, so why no story about an INDEPENDENT Senator in the running to be the next FBI Director?

  95. paulie Post author

    There are no guarantees of any stories here. All IPR writers are volunteers who write/post articles when time allows and when the inspiration to do so strikes them, about whatever they feel inspired to write/post about that fits within our general subject matter. If someone felt like posting about Lieberman, the fact that he was elected at one point with a non-duopoly label means they would be free to do so. If no one feels like it, oh well, there is no quota system or obligation about what we post about and no pay for writing here.

  96. Libertarians for Lieberman

    Anyone else interested in assisting with Joe Lieberman’s campaign for FBI Director as an Independent?

    Any chance of the Libertarian Party of CT endorsing his effort?

    I support Joe, because he is a fierce opponent of Islamo-Fascism. He’s one of the ONLY decent Democrats in the Nation.

    Call me on my cell at 979-799-7077 if you’re interested in helping out with Libertarians for Lieberman.

  97. Thomas L. Knapp

    So is “Libertarians for Lieberman” admitting to being Eric Dondero, or trying to fuck with Eric Dondero?

    It’s certainly the kind of thing Eric would do. On the other hand, it’s been so long since he’s been heard from that I am skeptical.

  98. Andy

    I was wondering the same thing, Tom. That is, is that really Dondero, or is that just somebody trying to make us think it is Dondero (maybe Seebeck, or maybe somebody else). I lean toward thinking that it is not Dondero. If he was going to post his phone number (which he has made publicly available online in the past), I bet he would just post under his real name. If Dondero was going to troll under a fake name, I am thinking he would not make it obvious that it is him.

  99. paulie Post author

    Appears to be posting from an anonymizer but did provide his phone number, which is listed elsewhere as him (if you do a search on the number). You can try calling it and ask if you actually want to know.

  100. Libertarians for Lieberman

    HORRIBLE! You people are HORRIBLE! No calls about this. Not one single call from any of you so-called indies and libs.

    So what do we get? No Joe Lieberman as FBI Director. Thanks a lot! You all blew it!

  101. Thomas L. Knapp

    Well, on the one hand it’s a good thing that an evil authoritarian like Lieberman not be allowed anywhere near J. Edgar Hoover’s old desk.

    On the other hand, it’s not like there was any kind of campaigning that would have changed that outcome anyway. Presumably Trump floated Lieberman’s name by way of saying “this is how bad it could get if you don’t give me what I want,” then moved on because he’s not actually completely fucking insane.

  102. Thomas L. Knapp

    Not that I can tell. Being a whiny rich entitled northeastern progressive welfare queen isn’t a mental illness. In fact, it’s probably a fun gig if you can get it.

  103. dL

    So is “Libertarians for Lieberman” admitting to being Eric Dondero, or trying to fuck with Eric Dondero?

    Libertarians for Lieberman died w/ Portside Language Services and Dondero’s alt-career as a renowned “multilingual language professional” best selling author. That phone # died along with it. The posts are from a VPN.

    On the other hand, it’s been so long since he’s been heard from that I am skeptical.

    He lives on here:

    https://twitter.com/jewsfortrump

  104. Thomas L. Knapp

    “Seems rather unhinged though. More than a little, even.”

    Not really. He gets all whiny and butthurt in public, but I’d say that’s a function of having lived a life where he gets to be a “public figure” without having to actually deal with, or answer to, the public.

    For example, as a “private citizen” if he decides to put out a book (not write one — he has people to do that for him), it will be a best-seller. It will be a best-seller because a bunch of people buy it, or it will be a best-seller because his company buys 10,000 cases of it to use as ballast for his yacht, but it WILL be a best-seller. And he can surround himself with people constantly congratulating him on what a great book he “wrote.” When the New York Times pans it, he’ll lash out in that “unhinged” manner you describe, but it’s not really being unhinged, it’s just being a spoiled douchenozzle.

    But NOW, he’s not in a position to only surround himself with sycophants on a 24/7 basis and only occasionally have to put up with the indignity of being treated as less than The Living God Manifest on Earth. So the Whiny Butthurt Factor is going to be maximized.

    There are a lot of things wrong with Trump, including personality defects that come from being born on third base and told his whole life that he hit a triple. But that’s not the same as being completely fucking insane.

  105. paulie Post author

    Libertarians for Lieberman died w/ Portside Language Services and Dondero’s alt-career as a renowned “multilingual language professional” best selling author. That phone # died along with it. The posts are from a VPN.

    Yes, but the question is whether that is still him. It may or may not be. If it’s a parody, they have his style down. On the other hand, that’s not terribly difficult, and he always ranted against anonymity. As far as his career goes, last I heard he got out of petitioning because setting up in front of stores and other public locations pretending to be a veterans charity and keeping all the money for himself is more lucrative. The other former LP petitioner that I know who went down that route was Gary Fincher, and Gary ended up doing over a year in jail when he finally got busted for it, but he did it for a few years before he got busted. Unlike Gary, Eric actually did spend more than 29 days in the military but that still does not entitle him to pretend to be a charity. As far as I know, Eric has not been busted for the charity scam yet.

  106. Thomas L. Knapp

    My recollection is that Eric did not “set up in front of stores and other public locations [and] pretend to be a veterans charity and keep all the money for himself.” There was an actual organization which he represented (he offered to connect me with them if I wanted to do the same “work”). I suppose that organization might be a scam of some kind, but it wasn’t just Eric setting up a table and taking/keeping all the money for himself.

  107. Andy

    “dL
    May 25, 2017 at 03:26
    ‘So is ‘Libertarians for Lieberman’ admitting to being Eric Dondero, or trying to fuck with Eric Dondero?”
    Libertarians for Lieberman died w/ Portside Language Services and Dondero’s alt-career as a renowned ‘multilingual language professional’ best selling author. That phone # died along with it. The posts are from a VPN”

    Whoever posted this is a troll (possibly Michael Seebeck) who wants us to think that it was Dondero.

  108. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp
    May 25, 2017 at 07:51
    My recollection is that Eric did not ‘set up in front of stores and other public locations [and] pretend to be a veterans charity and keep all the money for himself.’ There was an actual organization which he represented (he offered to connect me with them if I wanted to do the same ‘work’). I suppose that organization might be a scam of some kind, but it wasn’t just Eric setting up a table and taking/keeping all the money for himself.”

    A lot of those organizations are scams, and when there is cash money involved, it is not hard for it to “disappear” into somebody’s pocket.

    I also heard that he was selling Donald Trump merchandise.

  109. Andy

    Paul said: “As far as his career goes, last I heard he got out of petitioning because setting up in front of stores and other public locations pretending to be a veterans charity and keeping all the money for himself is more lucrative. The other former LP petitioner that I know who went down that route”

    There were (or are) several mercenary petitioners (a few of whom have petitioned for the LP years ago, but most never petitioned for the LP) who have done the veterans scam (some may still be doing it).

  110. paulie Post author

    As far as Eric’s man-crush the Cheeto Benito, when I say unhinged, I am referring to actions such as coming out in interviews and saying that he fired Comey specifically to try to shut down investigations into his own administration, right after he had his spokespeople implausibly spin a completely different explanation, and then laughing it up with Lavrov and Kislyak in the oval office where a TASS photographer was the only press allowed and allegedly sharing codeword intelligence that had been confidentially shared with the US by another country, putting the future of such intelligence sharing and the lives of agents who had infiltrated Daesh in danger. Or threatening Comey in a tweet, saying he better hope Trump does not have tapes of their meeting. And so on – he seems much more than merely narcissistic but rather full blown deranged.

    And as far as Drumpf and Eric’s other man-crush Lieberman, I doubt it’s that Drumpf realized that Lieberman is too much of a scumbag for the FBI post. I think their ideology is very similar, and a scumbag is exactly what Drumpf is looking for, with authoritarian sociopathy to match his own; Lieberman fits the bill perfectly. The problem, from what I understand, is that Drumpf’s looking at engaging Lieberman’s law firm as outside counsel, which would create a conflict of interest in hiring Lieberman as FBI jefe. However, look for a similarly unpalatable pick when Bencheeto Trumpolini does announce his FBI choice, with a heavy emphasis on personal loyalty to Trump, especially when it comes to shutting down investigations into the president and his administration and the willingness to investigate and prosecute their opponents and enemies.

  111. paulie Post author

    There were (or are) several mercenary petitioners (a few of whom have petitioned for the LP years ago, but most never petitioned for the LP) who have done the veterans scam (some may still be doing it).

    That’s true. By LP petitioner I meant specifically people who are not only petitioners but have been active in the LP in other ways in the past and have done a lot of petitioning for the party.

  112. paulie Post author

    There was an actual organization which he represented (he offered to connect me with them if I wanted to do the same “work”). I suppose that organization might be a scam of some kind, but it wasn’t just Eric setting up a table and taking/keeping all the money for himself.

    Gary had one too, but it was just a voicemail message and a PO Box and maybe a bank account that he or a friend of his set up. There was no charity registration and no actual charity work being done. Even if the outfit that Eric was working for was a little bit more legit, which is not necessarily true, like Andy said – cash donations do tend to disappear into solicitors’ pockets on that sort of gig. A lockbox is a nice visual aid but who holds the keys and how trustworthy are they?

    Also from what I heard this would not be the first charity/fundraising scam for Eric, as he has been known to dress up like a fireman and raise money “for the fire department.”

  113. paulie Post author

    Another example of what I mean by Drumpf being unhinged, deranged and completely fucking insane:

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/05/24/what-a-great-job-you-are-doing-trump-tel

    Last month critics of Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte’s murderous anti-drug crusade were dismayed by the official White House summary of a “very friendly” telephone conversation in which Donald Trump praised the bloodthirsty authoritarian for “fighting very hard to rid [his] country of drugs.” A newly revealed transcript of the April 29 call, prepared by the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs and published yesterday by The Washington Post, shows that Trump’s comments were even more alarming than they sounded in the summary.

    After some initial pleasantries, Trump announces the purpose of his call. “I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem,” he says. “Many countries have a problem. We have a problem. But what a great job you are doing, and I just wanted to call and tell you that.”

    Duterte thanks Trump and adds, “This is the scourge of my nation now, and I have to do something to preserve the Filipino nation.” Trump repeats his unqualified endorsement of Duterte’s drug policies. “I understand that and fully understand that,” he says, “and I think we had a previous president who did not understand that, but I understand that, and we have spoken about this before.”

    Trump is alluding to Barack Obama’s criticism of Duterte’s methods, which have included thousands of extrajudicial killings, routine falsification of evidence, and public incitement of murder as a justified response to drug addicts as well as drug dealers. While Obama may have had a problem with Duterte’s approach, Trump is saying, he understands that fighting drugs requires extreme measures.

    Since Trump is clearly aware that Duterte’s war on drugs has attracted international criticism, it is hard to excuse his enthusiasm as a product of ignorance.

    This is just one of many examples of Cheeto Benito specifically praising dictators and tyrants such as Erdogan in Turkey, Putin, and even, paradoxically, North Korea’s Kim. He goes out of his way to do this. There’s no conceivable political benefit from doing so. It’s obvious that he greatly admires these people, really, really wants to be like them and do the things they do, and can’t even pretend otherwise or hide it. His company loves doing business with these sorts of folks, so that’s another motivation at play here.

  114. Andy

    Paul said: “Even if the outfit that Eric was working for was a little bit more legit, which is not necessarily true,”

    A lot of the so called “legitimate” veterans charities are also scams, the same goes with some other supposedly “legitimate” charities.

  115. NewFederalist

    I wonder how Trump feels about the BMW plant in South Carolina that makes some models for sale in Germany?

  116. NewFederalist

    I see over at BAN that the LP nominee polled 6% of the vote in the Montana special election for U.S. House of Representatives.

  117. George Phillies

    6% in a vigorously contested three-way race in which the two other parties were trying to get elected the American Way…bombing the voters with money…is extremely good.

  118. Thane Eichenauer (@ilovegrover)

    dL,
    Come now, you nick Tom Woods for that tweet and don’t mention that he did a recent episode interviewing antiwar Rep Jimmy Duncan? http://tomwoods.com/ep-916-last-house-republican-to-oppose-iraq-war-joins-me/
    Or his interview of Col. Lawrence Wilkerson? http://tomwoods.com/ep-910-col-lawrence-wilkerson-on-the-american-empire-past-present-and-future/
    In that tweet Trump at best jostles some other folks. That’s to be condemned? Did any of the other folks complain?
    At least your comment allowed me to mention a great antiwar podcaster so thank you for that.

  119. dL

    Come now, you nick Tom Woods for that tweet

    No, I nick Tom Woods b/c my social media timeline had Trump declaring Germany evil for selling cars in the United States and two tweets below it Tom Woods expressing guilty pleasure for the Trump Swagger of cutting to the head of line of a bunch of European bureaucrats w/ the tag line of “America First.” Poor comedic timing…

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