Wolfgang Halbig Interviewed By Libertarian Party of Florida members

Wolfgang Halbig is a school safety expert who is known for investigating and questioning the official government story about Sandy Hook.  This is from the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County,  Florida.  It was posted to YouTube on October 19th,  2015.

256 thoughts on “Wolfgang Halbig Interviewed By Libertarian Party of Florida members

  1. Andy

    Here’s the video description from YouTube:

    “Published on Oct 19, 2015
    Interview by Candidate of FL House 69 Robert Saviola and Kevin O’Neill, of Wolfgang Halbig. Audience questions at end.
    Our county affiliate organization of the Libertarian Party of Florida is not afraid to learn from controversial experts such as Mr. Wolfgang Halbig. He stands by his comments and critiques of his, or ours, are respectively welcomed. Additionally, this is an edited video of a post-live stream event of October 14, 2015. We received several comments from self described 2nd hand witnesses, and an open invite REMAINS OPEN for them to put their actual witnesses in touch with us. We will respectfully perform any interview with these witnesses, or even victims, under one condition. That is, that it will be done live, or live through Google Hangouts or similar, and streamed to The People. Additionally, the organizers of this event are skeptical that anyone ever died at Sandy Hook. If we are proven to be wrong, we would extend our apologies to anyone affected and or offended by this presentation – as any decent person world. Unfortunate for us all, including the good people of Newtown CT., this disaster has befallen all of us, and the issue is just too big and widespread for any freedom, liberty and constitutionally minded person to just do nothing. With that said, any witness of the events, weather a LE officer, or a citizen, that is willing to go live – we are willing to host that messaging. Respectfully, the Executive Committee of the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County.”

  2. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    May 4, 2017 at 10:26
    dear god now. Now we got Sandy Hook Troofers down there?”

    LOL! This was predictable. Anthony Dlugos pops up just a few minutes after I posted this video (which runs 1 hour, 32 minutes, 12 seconds) and posts a nasty comment, complete with the “Troofer” pejorative (it would not surprise me if the “Troofer” pejorative was created by the CIA, since it has come out as a documented fact that it was the CIA who created the term “conspiracy theorist” to be used as a pejorative against those who questioned official government stories about points of controversy like the Kennedy assassination).

    Dlugos could not possibly have watched enough of this video to make any kind of fair comment on it. Hopefully those who are more fair minded, and who have more intellectual integrity than Mr. Dlugos will actually watch this video, look into the evidence that is presented.

  3. Andy

    I applaud the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County, Florida for having the courage to invite Mr. Halbig to speak at one of their events, and for posting the video of this to YouTube. More Libertarian Party affiliates around the country should follow their lead.

  4. Tony From Long Island

    Andy if you think that regular sane people are going to watch ANY video you post, you are out of your mind. . . . oh wait. . . you ARE out of your mind. . .

    Why are posting an event from two years ago?

  5. Anthony Dlugos

    “Additionally, the organizers of this event are skeptical that anyone ever died at Sandy Hook. If we are proven to be wrong…”

    morons. what do they want as proof?

  6. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 4, 2017 at 10:43
    Andy if you think that regular sane people are going to watch ANY video you post, you are out of your mind. . . . oh wait. . . you ARE out of your mind. . .”

    Lots of people have watched lots of videos that I have posted over the years. You don’t speak for everyone.

    “Why are posting an event from two years ago?”

    I just found out about this video last night. Prior to this, I did not know that this event had even happened. It is relevant to IPR because it is from a Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County, Florida meeting, and it was posted online by the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County, Florida.

  7. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    May 4, 2017 at 10:47
    ‘Additionally, the organizers of this event are skeptical that anyone ever died at Sandy Hook. If we are proven to be wrong…’

    morons. what do they want as proof?”

    What proof do you have? There is no footage of dead bodies being taken out of the school. There are no photographs of the bodies. There were medical emergency helicopters that could have been dispatched to the scene, yet for some mysterious reason, proper protocol was not followed, and these helicopters were never dispatched.

    Notice how Anthony and Tony immediately side with the government, like a couple of good, bootlicking statists, and don’t bother listening to any of the evidence that was presented in the video. They could not have even possibly watched the video, because there hasn’t been enough time for them to watch it from the time that it was posted to when they posted their comments.

    Fortunately, there are Libertarian Party members in Hillsborough County, Florida who are not as closed minded as Anthony and Tony.

  8. paulie

    I’m not particularly interested in watching an hour and a half video either, and I don’t necessarily dismiss revisionist history and conspiracy conjecture out of hand, but this one seems far fetched. There was a whole community in mourning, people who lost family members and neighbors and kids who went to their stores and churches and so on. They would have noticed if the kids were there or not. What happened to the kids if they were not killed that day? Or, do you think that the conspirators would have gotten away with inventing kids that hadn’t existed and no one would have noticed that their kids had no such classmates, etc? It just does not seem plausible enough to warrant spending an hour and a half looking into it,

  9. Anthony Dlugos

    ‘What proof do you have? There is no footage of dead bodies being taken out of the school. ‘

    Andy, I’m saying this as your friend: you are a sick, sick freak.

  10. Andy

    “paulie
    May 4, 2017 at 11:05
    I’m not particularly interested in watching an hour and a half video either, and I don’t necessarily dismiss revisionist history and conspiracy conjecture out of hand, but this one seems far fetched. There was a whole community in mourning, people who lost family members and neighbors and kids who went to their stores and churches and so on.”

    It was a Department of Homeland Security Capstone event that was planed for several years in advance. The families of the so called “victims” were all paid off. It has already been proven that many of the family members of the alleged “victims” were in fact professional actors, and it is a documented fact that the government hires crisis actors. The Sandy Hook families have made millions of dollars off of this, from money from the taxpayers, as well as from donations (they ought to be prosecuted for charity fraud). Some of them have also taken jobs as paid gun control lobbyists.

    I understand that this sounds “radical” and “far fetched” to those who have not taken the time to look into this, but there is a mountain of evidence to back this up.

    If you are too busy to watch this entire presentation (it runs a little of an hour and a half), watch it in parts, and then do some follow up investigation (there is plenty of information from multiple sources online). If you are busy and you don’t want to take the time to watch this video in parts, or do any follow up investigation, then you ought not attack those of us who have taken the time to look into this and who have come to the conclusion that Sandy Hook was staged by the government to push the gun control and mental health screening agendas, because those of us who have come to this conclusion have done so after doing our homework on this issue. If you do homework on this issue, and you come to a different conclusion, fine, then you can at least be capable of debating us on the facts, but attacking people who have done homework on this issue when you have not is pretty damn ignorant.

  11. Tony From Long Island

    Andy, you are a sick, sick man. You really do need help.

    Your lack of empathy and reality truly borders of sociopathic.

  12. paulie

    The families of the so called “victims” were all paid off.

    How exactly? Again, each of the kids that died would have had many people they came into interaction with – their teachers, people at the church or synagogue, doctors, nurses, store owners and employees, bus drivers, etc, etc.

    So the possibilities are, as far as I can think:

    1. The kids never existed
    2. The kids disappeared that day, but were not killed
    3. The kids were killed that day
    4. The kids are still there, with their parents

    I think we can eliminate 4, because too many people would notice. Is the whole town, plus extended family members in other towns, paid off? 1 also seems far fetched; even if the parents were paid off, wouldn’t some students or their parents have noticed that someone was claiming they had had classmates they had never had? 2 begs the question of just where the kids were taken to. That leaves only 3, which you seem to not believe. So which is it IYO, 1, 2 or 4?

  13. Tony From Long Island

    If you search the dark corners of the internet long enough (which you clearly do), I’m sure you will find some pictures of the dead bodies of children. You seem to want that. You will probably not find any from New Town because apparently those with cameras possessed human dignity (something you lack) and refrained from capturing it.

  14. Andy

    Oh, in addition to paying off the Sandy Hook families, the local government officials involved were all paid off as well.

    They carefully screen people before they bring them into these operations. They do psychological profiles, and they dismiss anyone who they think won’t go along with the program. Only a few people at the top know everything that is going on with these false flag events, the rest involved are compartmentalized. They get the participants to sign non-disclosure agreements under national security, so if anyone leaks any information there are severe consequences for them (and if you think that “surely someone would talk,” the US government has done all kinds of stuff in secret, like the Manhattan Project, so this is nothing new). The government may have dirt on some of these people as well, like drug charges, or something similar, which is another way that they recruit people for things like this. The participants were all likely screened beforehand as being sociopaths, and most, or maybe even all of them, had anti-gun rights leanings before this anyway.

    My years of experience working on various political campaigns around the country, plus the time I spent in Los Angeles where I hung around with wannabe actors and actresses, tells me that there are most definitely people out there who’d do anything for money. I’d bet that if some government agents were offer money to some of the people whom I have been around on the mercenary petitioning circuit (most of these people will work on any cause that pays them, and a lot of them have already worked on gun control ballot initiatives), and to some of the wannabe actors and actresses I was around in Los Angeles (most of these actors and actresses already had anti-gun rights views anyway), that they would be willing to participate in false flag hoaxes.

  15. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 4, 2017 at 11:33
    Andy, you are a sick, sick man. You really do need help.”

    Tony, you are a stupid asshole.

    “Your lack of empathy and reality truly borders of sociopathic.”

    The opposite is true. It is because I do have empathy that I bother to investigate these things and report the facts, in spite of being attacked by people such as yourself.

  16. Anthony Dlugos

    so much for my idea about Andy joining the Constipation Party. He’s too fringe even for them.

  17. Andy

    Check out Sandy Hook crisis actor, Robbie Parker, giggling and smirking right after his daughter had supposedly been blown away. Notice how he spots a camera on him, and then he gets into character, in the same manner that an actor preparing for a performance does, and then notice the lack of tears.

    SANDY HOOK HOAX – ROBBIE PARKER CRISIS ACTOR

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEZNa-nbOvk

  18. Andy

    Sandy Hook dad, David Wheeler, who has already been exposed as being an actor who has appeared in movies, got caught playing two roles in Sandy Hook, supposedly grieving father, and FBI agent.

    Sandy Hook ‘Dad’ CAUGHT Playing FBI (NEWTOWN HOAX Proof)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaHtxlSDgbk

  19. paulie

    20-something million doesn’t sound like nearly enough to pay off the amount of people that would have had to have known whether the kids had never existed, or if they were still alive and with their parents. Think about how many people all those different kids came into contact with in their lives (or would know that the families didn’t have those kids if they didn’t have them). Do you really believe each and every one of them could have been paid off and not a single one called bullshit? Keep in mind, I’ve engaged in real life criminal and government conspiracies so I am well familiar with all the different ways paying someone off can go wrong. The more people you have to pay off, intimidate, or whatever, the higher the chances that it will fall apart. So that’s why I have a hard time believing the idea that this many people could have been paid off. It’s not just the parents, it’s way, way more people than that.

  20. Andy

    Funny how there is ZERO evidence of 600 plus kids evacuating the school that day. That’s because the school had been shut down well before this (apparently for a few years). The school building was being used for this DHS Capstone exercise shooting hoax.

    Look at the evidence. All of these cameras, yet ZERO evidence of 600 plus kids being anywhere in the area.

    Sandy Hook Hoax Mass Evacuation Exposed No 600+ Kids PROOF (Redsilverj)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKGjlA2GDpU

  21. paulie

    That’s because the school had been shut down well before this (apparently for a few years).

    Seriously? And how many people would know this? I’m going to conservatively guess several thousand. This would include people with a range of opinions about gun policy. So the whole town, plus numerous people in nearby towns that had worked there or traveled through, plus former residents that had left the town… exactly how many people do you believe were paid off? Can you give me a rough estimate?

    And I still want to know which scenario you believe: did the kids never exist, were they disappeared to some unknown location but kept alive, or are they still alive and well and with their parents?

  22. Andy

    Now here’s a good one. Alleged Sandy Hook “victim”, Noah Posner, supposedly died twice. The first time he died was at Sandy Hook in December of 2012. There was a school shooting in Pakistan in December of 2014, and for some bizarre reason, Noah Posner’s picture popped up among the pictures of the alleged victims of a school shooting in Pakistan. This kid must be like Kenny from South Park.

    How did Noah Posner’s picture end up at this memorial for an alleged school shooting in Pakistan? I’d wager that it was a case of various government intelligence agencies, like the CIA, and the Pakistani ISI, sharing information. This kid (whoever he really is) is probably somehow connected to government intelligence agencies through family, or maybe he’s a kidnapping victim (probably for some pedophile sickos (do a search on the Franklin Cover Up, or Pizzagate)). These intelligence agencies like the CIA, the Pakistani ISI, the Isreali Mossad, British MI-6, etc…, send information back and forth, and some agent in Pakistan probably needed a list of kids to use for fake victims and the picture of “Noah Posner” (or whoever he really is) was probably a part of some database they got from the CIA.

    Look at the picture. It should be BLATANTLY obvious that it is Noah Posner, who supposedly died at Sandy Hook. Now ask yourself how his picture ended up at this memorial in Pakistan, where he is supposedly a victim of a school shooting in that country.

    Video description from YouTube: “Published on Jan 1, 2015
    Noah Pozner a Victim who was murdered in a Sandy Hook CT school massacre in 2012 has been found RE-MURDERED in Peshawar Pakistan in a school massacre!

    A Pakistani woman grieves on the premises of an army-run school during a memorial ceremony in northwest Pakistan’s Peshawar, Dec. 22, 2014. At least 141 people, mostly children, were killed by Taliban terrorists who attacked the army-run school in Pakistan’s northwestern provincial capital of Peshawar on Dec. 16. (Xinhua/Umar Qayyum)”

    Noah Pozner Killed In Pakistan School Massacre

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmCtc5NQMbU

  23. Andy

    “Great ideas
    May 4, 2017 at 12:19
    LOL. This is some twisted shit. Andy Jacobs is an inside job!”

    So says a troll posting under a fake screen name and an IP anonymizer.

  24. Anthony Dlugos

    You’re not going to climax from all this Troofer nuttery, are you Andy? If so, remember a to grab a tissue.

    Don’t want any messes!

  25. Andy

    Newtown, Connecticut is not exactly an acting Mecca, like Los Angeles or New York City. So what are the odds of a bunch of the family members of alleged Sandy Hook victims turning out to be actors? Pretty damn high. So high that it is not even plausible without this thing having been a hoax.

    It is a DOCUMENTED, VERIFIABLE FACT various government agencies hire crisis actors. There are even companies who specialize in recruiting crisis actors for the government.

    Several Sandy Hook players are literally actors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uwZ7W-xqp4

  26. Anthony Dlugos

    “A rabid skunk has escaped confinement and is running the zoo! Help!”

    lol

  27. Andy

    The person posting as “Great Ideas” is posting under the following IP: 198.105.220.133

    This traces back to an IP anonymizer out of Provo, UT. That’s not too far from that big NSA facility. Coincidence? Maybe, but if this troll is not working for the NSA, he/she (the psychological profile and writing style strikes me as the troll being a male) is probably working for some other government agency.

    http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/198.105.220.133

  28. Andy

    A government troll got busted on another message forum posting government propaganda and attacking people who were questioning the official government story about Sandy Hook.

    There is clearly a pattern that goes on where people who question the official stories about Sandy Hook or 9/11 or some other false flag event, or who otherwise say things who people in government do not like. Trolls posting under fake screen names and IP anonymizers pop up and attack the messengers and to disrupt discussion.

    CIA BUSTED STEERING SANDY HOOK NARRATIVE PSY OP/COVER UP

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3mJMhwBo0c

  29. Anthony Dlugos

    And now you just signed your Extinction Action Report (EAR), Andy. You know too much about anon IP addresses and Sandy Hook.

    Reptillian….er, I mean, plainclothes agents…are arriving at your location posthaste, and will be atomizing you for return to Planet Girksnerk, where you will be enslaved to Xenu, your galactic overlord, whose body thetans, shaped like undocumented workers, will set upon you, forcing you to wear a hijab and work under the table picking glerksome, which are cucumber-like vegetables that are considered a delicacy on Girksnerk.

  30. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 4, 2017 at 13:42
    Again, Paulie . . . why do you allow this to continue?”

    This article is 100% newswothy for an IPR article because the video was a part of a Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County, Florida meeting, and the video was posted online by the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County, Florida.

    Whether or not you agree with or like the story is irrelevant. I don’t agree with the content of everything that gets posted here, but I don’t throw a fit if somebody posts something from a minor party or independent candidate that I don’t like.

    If you don’t like my comments in this thread, then why read them? Why are you even posting here?

    Assuming that you are not getting paid to troll here, nobody is forcing you to click on any thread.

  31. Tony From Long Island

    You make the entire IPR team look like idiots. You are an embarrassment to libertarians. You are mentally unstable and need to have your keys taken away.

  32. wolfefan

    The posting of this video is inappropriate, not necessarily for it’s subject matter but because is isn’t news. Just because Andy became aware of it now doesn’t make it news – it happened in 2015. If I become aware of an interview with Eugene Debs about WWI that I hadn’t heard of before, does that make it an appropriate post for IPR?

  33. Jill Pyeatt

    I agree that the event is too old to warrant an article. FYI, Mr. Halbig no longer works on Sandy Hook information because the lives of his family members were threatened.

  34. paulie

    Paulie, why do you allow this fool to post?

    ….Again, Paulie . . . why do you allow this to continue?

    What exactly do you object to? Andy’s articles have been on the subject of alt parties and have generated readership and discussion. He hasn’t used them to editorialize. I’ve made specific criticisms where I have felt they were warranted, but on the whole his articles have been mostly fine.

    I think we’ve both had no trouble with telling Andy where we disagree with him, often strongly. But what’s the problem with his articles?

  35. paulie

    I agree that the event is too old to warrant an article.

    Not all IPR articles have to be about current news. Do try to check that we never posted it before if you post an old article or video. Otherwise, they are fair game and we have posted old articles and videos many, many times before.

  36. paulie

    If I become aware of an interview with Eugene Debs about WWI that I hadn’t heard of before, does that make it an appropriate post for IPR?

    Yes. It doesn’t mean we would necessarily post it, but we might.

  37. paulie

    And now you just signed your Extinction Action Report (EAR), Andy. You know too much about anon IP addresses and Sandy Hook.

    Reptillian….er, I mean, plainclothes agents…are arriving at your location posthaste, and will be atomizing you for return to Planet Girksnerk, where you will be enslaved to Xenu, your galactic overlord, whose body thetans, shaped like undocumented workers, will set upon you, forcing you to wear a hijab and work under the table picking glerksome, which are cucumber-like vegetables that are considered a delicacy on Girksnerk.

    LOL

  38. Andy

    Wolfefan, I asked Paul if he thought that this video having been released in October of 2015 made it unworthy of an IPR article BEFORE I posted it, and Paul said no. He said that any news regarding minor parties and independent candidates is fair game, and that other posters here have brought up old stuff (and October of 2015 was not that long ago)

    I has not seen or heard of this video before, and apparently neither had anyone else here, or anywhere else I posted or sent it. So it was news to us.

    If somebody does not like this video, don’t watch it and don’t comment about it. Also, take your complaint to those involved with the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County, Florida who are responsible for it. I was just reporting on what they did.

  39. Bondurant

    A Democrat is trolling and calling for censorship. Shocking.

    Calling someone a sociopath? Pot, meet kettle.

  40. DJ

    Bondurant
    May 4, 2017 at 19:17

    A Democrat is trolling and calling for censorship. Shocking.

    Calling someone a sociopath? Pot, meet kettle.
    ……..

    Amen. Self awareness seems to be lacking in numerous threads.

    As for the video the official gov’t story is rarely accurate and I see no reason why this one (sandy Hook) should be treated any differently. That a libertarian conference made it is irrelevant (though I am libertarian, by nature, not party affiliation). I wouldn’t care who made it. Like 9/11 I have my doubts about the “official” gov’t story being the truth. Hell the gov’t lies about everything usually by twisting, spinning and/or bastardizing simple English.
    I’ve also seen pictures of the same people at different crises and while it does seem a bit much, or far fetched, what makes anyone think they wouldn’t hire whoever they thought necessary to push an agenda. Can anyone say drug war? War on terror? War on poverty? TSA? Homeland Security? JFK for starters.

    Anyone ever read the story of Leonard Peltier? Don’t kid yourselves boys and girls the gov’t will do as it pleases, to whom it pleases and make others believe they are working on your behalf, i.e., 9/11.

  41. Chuck Moulton

    Anyone who thinks Sandy Hook was made up is batshit crazy.

    It makes the Libertarian Party look ridiculous to associate with such absurd conspiracy theories.

    Isn’t it a violation of IPR policy for Andy to post commenter IP addresses?

  42. DJ

    Chuck Moulton
    May 4, 2017 at 20:10

    Anyone who thinks Sandy Hook was made up is batshit crazy.
    …………..

    Anyone who believes official gov’t stories is blind as said bat.
    …………..

    It makes the Libertarian Party look ridiculous to associate with such absurd conspiracy theories.
    ……………
    Believing official gov’t stories makes anyone look ridiculous. Maybe y’all should provide evidence as to your theories better explaining the discrepancies.
    ………………

    Isn’t it a violation of IPR policy for Andy to post commenter IP addresses?

  43. Andy

    “paulie
    May 4, 2017 at 11:56
    20-something million doesn’t sound like nearly enough to pay off the amount of people”

    They got a lot more than that $20 plus. They have also set up multiple Sandy Hook charities (some of them have already been proven to have been set up BEFORE the supposed shooting) which have raised tens of millions of dollars. Also, at least some of these Sandy Hook “victims'” families have gone on to work as paid gun control lobbyists.

    There are a lot of people out there who will do just about anything for money. I’d be willing to bet money that there were people I encountered in Los Angeles who were wannabe actors and actresses, and people who I have encountered around the country on the mercenary petitioning circuit, who’d participate in a false flag hoax if you offered them money. I bet that some of them would do it for less than the millions of dollars paid to the Sandy Hook hoaxers.

    Another way the government intelligence agencies can get people is by offering deals to people who are facing criminal charges. Say a person gets caught with drugs, or whatever, and they are facing prison time. Government agents will sometimes offer people in these situations deals where they can either go work for the government, or they can go to prison.

  44. paulie

    Isn’t it a violation of IPR policy for Andy to post commenter IP addresses?

    Yes. Please don’t do it again.

  45. Andy

    “Chuck Moulton
    May 4, 2017 at 20:10

    Anyone who thinks Sandy Hook was made up is batshit crazy.”

    What evidence do you have to back this up?

    “It makes the Libertarian Party look ridiculous to associate with such absurd conspiracy theories.”

    The Libertarian Party already looks ridiculous by running candidates like Bob Barr and Bill Weld, who are not even remotely libertarian.

    Lots of people already think that Libertarians are crazy for wanting to legalize drugs, or eliminate taxes, or repeal all of the gun control laws, or etc…

    It is a documented fact that the government has engaged in false flags and staged hoaxes.

    Even a lot of mainstream historians admit that the government knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor, and that they even baited the Japanese into attacking, and that they purposely did not warn the military personnel that were stationed at Pearl Harbor, because they wanted the attack to come as a surprise, and they wanted to draw the country into World War II.

    Look at the Gulf of Tonkin incident. THIS WAS COMPLETELY FAKE. The government LIED about the Vietnamese attacking US Navy ships in the Gulf of Tonkin in order to have an excuse for military intervention in Vietnam. THIS ATTACK NEVER HAPPENED.

    You don’t think that the same government that would lie about Pearl Harbor and the Gulf of Tonkin, and bunch of other stuff, would not lie about 9/11 and Sandy Hook? If so, THAT is bat shit crazy.

  46. Andy

    You know what is funny here, not one person who has posted a critical comment has bothered to watch the video and refute any piece of evidence that Wolfgang Halbig presented, or which I posted about in any of the comments.

    I lose respect for people who are incapable and/or unwilling to analyze data and debate facts.

    Sitting back and calling names and saying that people are “bat shit crazy” without refuting anything that was said IS NOT AN ARGUMENT.

  47. Andy

    “They got a lot more than that $20 plus.”

    Should read, “They got a lot more than that $20 million plus..”

  48. paulie

    Andy….you are still not addressing the questions. Do you believe that the kids never existed, that they were whisked away somewhere or that they remained alive and well with their parents? Please answer.

    Do you have any idea of how many people would know that the government was lying if it invented all those kids, or invented that they had died? It’s a lot more than their families. You said the school had been closed for years. Do you have any idea how many people would know if that was the case? I would say thousands. How do you pay off that many people and keep every single one of them quiet?

    You keep going on and on but you are not addressing these questions.

  49. Anthony Dlugos

    “You know what is funny here, not one person who has posted a critical comment has bothered to watch the video and refute any piece of evidence that Wolfgang Halbig presented, or which I posted about in any of the comments.”

    I’d sooner waste my time refuting flat earth Troofers.

  50. Andy

    Description of video below from YouTube: “Wolfgang Halbig gets harassed by Danbury police for trying to look at charity which is a right under tax exempt status law. They have to disclose information to the public upon request.”

    COPS BLOCK SANDY HOOK CHARITY INVESTIGATION

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgSti6-SJFo

  51. paulie

    You know what is funny here, not one person who has posted a critical comment has bothered to watch the video and refute any piece of evidence that Wolfgang Halbig presented, or which I posted about in any of the comments.

    Before I would even consider it, I would want some plausible answers to the questions I am asking. Otherwise it is a guaranteed waste of time.

  52. Andy

    Remember the video I posted above of Robbie Parker, who was smirking and giggling at a press conference shortly after his daughter was supposedly murdered, and then after he notices that he’s on camera, he starts getting into character and pretending like he’s sad (keep a close eye on the lack of tears)? Well, here’s a picture of Robbie Parker at his daughter’s supposed funeral, and once again, he’s got a big smirk on his fact, and no tears.

    Do these look like normal reactions for a supposed loving father whose young daughter was just murdered?

    Robbie Parker at daughters funeral

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt31OZUXdmI

  53. Jill Pyeatt

    So speaking using a derogatory name in describing a person’s thoughts or personage makes you superior in your strict principles of validity?

    Thanks, DJ. I agree with this comment. Calling someone a “troofer” is just about the stupidest thing I can thing of, as if wanting to know the truth about events that change our country is a bad thing.

    The thing I find most absurd about what we’re supposed to believe about Sandy Hook is the total lack of medical protocol. Apparently, only one or two children were taken to a hospital. There were very few ambulances at the Sandy Hook scene, and those that were there were hemmed in by other vehicles so they couldn’t leave. The police pronounced children dead, apparently, and LET THEM LAY ON THE FLOOR FOR TWO DAYS. That doesn’t happen in our country. Only doctors can pronounce someone dead. Also, the only emergency measures were apparently from the cops. That also doesn’t happen in this country. Only paramedics or physicians can perform medical care.

    And would I let my dead child lay on a floor for two days? Not in a million years. That in itself is absurd..

    Do I have answers to the questions Paulie has asked? No. Personally, I don’t think children died there, and if anyone is interested in why I’d be happy to point out some sites that have helped me reach that conclusion. My friend runs a Youtube channel called “How I See Sandy Hook” that has many intriguing facts (yes, evidence) that researchers have found. However, I’ve researched this stuff because of glaring anomalies about the official story that I’ve personally noticed, It’s my own choice to pursue this. Having info shoved down someone’s throat doesn’t work. In my view, Andy is doing a tremendous disservice to the Truth community by not respecting other people’s views that they’re not interested.

  54. William Saturn

    Nobody is forcing anyone to watch the videos Andy posts. Andy is doing a service not a disservice by bringing further attention to this matter. The official government story has serious problems and there’s many strange occurrences surrounding the event. Am I the only one who finds it curious the school was completely torn down afterwards removing any possibility of future physical investigation?

  55. dL

    What exactly do you object to?

    Posting someone’s IP address is a gross abuse of moderator/admin privileges, particularly when it is done for vindictive reasons. In this instance the IP is a VPN, so there is no personal geo-location data exposed. However, it is exhibit A why one should be using a VPN, in no small part as a minimal protection against lame public doxing attempts…as is the case in this instance.

  56. Jill Pyeatt

    Okay, if Paulie and William think it’s okay that Andy post this stuff, fine. I’ll chill. If anyone has their interest piqued in this area, I’m very knowledgable about the theater that was Sandy Hook.

    In my opinion, this event and Obama’s fairy-tale about killing Osama bin Laden are the easiest false flags to prove. They were both very, very sloppy.

  57. dL

    The thing I find most absurd about what we’re supposed to believe about Sandy Hook is the total lack of medical protocol.

    Aesop’s famous short story, “The boy who cried wolf.” The moral of that story: repeatedly raising false alarms discredits the case when a real alarm should be raised. While I rarely believe what comes out of the moving lips of government officials, that is not the same as automatically theorizing every public tragedy is an inside government job/hoax. In the age of document-sourced journalism and Wikileaks, the documentary evidence for major public tragedies actually being inside jobs/false flag ops would undoubtedly come to light.

    Truthers, i.e, those with an apparent predisposition to ignore Occam’s razor when it comes to explaining public tragedies, are basically doing the Lord’s work when it comes to state cointelpro.

  58. Jill Pyeatt

    In the age of document-sourced journalism and Wikileaks, the documentary evidence for major public tragedies actually being inside jobs/false flag ops would undoubtedly come to light.

    I certainly agree with that statement. People do talk. Errors are made, and information that was supposed to be secret gets out. I see no reason to ignore those things.

    Does that mean I think everything is a false flag? Of course not. Some of the facts surrounding Sandy Hook I won’t ignore, though. A good place to start is to look at the helicopter footage. Look at where the emergency vehicles are not. Look at the calm manner in which everyone is walking around. Look at many of them literally walking in circles. And look at the emergency workers continuing to climb in and out of a broken plate window with jagged edges, even though the door is only feet away. If I observe a hundred or more of these strange occurrences that don’t make sense, then I’m gonna call it a false flag. And it just so happens that millions of people agree with me. That doesn’t mean any of you here need to agree with me.

  59. Tony From Long Island

    Bondurant: ” . . . .A Democrat is trolling and calling for censorship. Shocking.

    Calling someone a sociopath? Pot, meet kettle. . . . .”

    I am not calling for censorship of the topic as a whole, only Andy. He is irresponsible. He likely IS a sociopath. The fact that he has posting privileges makes all of IPR look bad. It is his endless babbling. It is his “should read . . ” posts when he has the privilege to go back and edit it himself. It is his inability to be succinct, it is the constant posting of conspiracy nonsense. I could go on . . . as we all know.

    It is not only I who feels this way, so saying “a Democrat . . . blah blah.” If I engage in any “trolling” (which I don’t believe I do,” it is only against Andy, who is a conspiracy theorist sociopath and needs to be reminded of that whenever possible.

    I guess you are just fine with all of the anti-Semitic crap that has been posted here during the last week . .

    Also, stopping from Andy from posting here would not be “censorship.” Those who run the site can do as they see fit. Andy has plenty of forums for his nonsense.

  60. DJ

    Tony, just a heads up. You’ve not (since I’ve been coming here) posted anything of substance.
    And yes, stopping someone you disagree with (or don’t like) is censorship.

    Knowledge evolves, but only IF one chooses to learn and the funny thing about knowledge is it isn’t biased where it comes from and can manifest itself in ways unimaginable. IF you were to ‘lower’ yourself and read (or watch) things you don’t believe or agree with you MIGHT be able to counter posts you don’t like, with “reasoning”, as opposed to continuously bashing an individual or belief. Cliche’s and axioms come about from experience and one which applies here is: One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste and spending time bashing is wasting time and mind(s). It serves NO useful purpose and makes the basher (that would be you in this instance) looks bad, not the one the bashing is directed to.

  61. Andy

    Jill Pyeatt said: ” It’s my own choice to pursue this. Having info shoved down someone’s throat doesn’t work. In my view, Andy is doing a tremendous disservice to the Truth community by not respecting other people’s views that they’re not interested.”

    I am not shoving anything down anyone’s throat. I found a relevant video from the Libertarian Party of Hillsborough County, Florida, and I posted it here. Whether or not people want to watch it is up to them. The same goes with any other video, article, or comment that gets posted here, as in it is up to each individual as to whether or not they want to watch a video or read an article or comment.

    You are simply succumbing to peer pressure, or perceived peer pressure, from whiny crybaby complainers, WHO DO NOT EVEN REPRESENT EVERYONE WHO MAY VISIT THIS SITE. Keep in mind that there are millions and millions of people on the internet, and that most who visit a website do not post any comments.

    How is this information ever going to get out to more people unless it is discussed? Are we supposed to sit back and hope that people will come and find it on there own?

    This same line of thinking, that people should just keep quite about points of controversy, has been used to justify the suppression of libertarians and others from speaking for a long time. I’m not going to play that game, and neither should anyone else.

  62. Andy

    “DJ
    May 5, 2017 at 08:46
    Tony, just a heads up. You’ve not (since I’ve been coming here) posted anything of substance.
    And yes, stopping someone you disagree with (or don’t like) is censorship.”

    BINGO!!!!

  63. DJ

    Jill Pyeatt
    May 4, 2017 at 23:40

    Okay, if Paulie and William think it’s okay that Andy post this stuff, fine. I’ll chill. If anyone has their interest piqued in this area, I’m very knowledgable about the theater that was Sandy Hook.

    In my opinion, this event and Obama’s fairy-tale about killing Osama bin Laden are the easiest false flags to prove. They were both very, very sloppy.
    …………….

    The sloppy started waaaaay (most of our wars, foreign and domestic) before Sandy Hook and there is plenty of evidence about false flags and gov’t actions. The internet has afforded more civilians to be made aware, sadly, many choose to remain blinded by the cult of the red, white and blue. The results speak for themselves.

  64. Andy

    dL said: “In the age of document-sourced journalism and Wikileaks, the documentary evidence for major public tragedies actually being inside jobs/false flag ops would undoubtedly come to light.”

    False flags like 9/11 and Sandy Hook have come to light. Lots of people (millions) know that the official government stories about these and other events are lies. The problem is that there is still a large portion of the public that is brainwashed by government propaganda, and we do not have enough people, particularly in positions of power, to do anything about it.

    Lots of people know that the government is corrupt, but a lot of these people, even many self professed libertarians, do not realize just how bad the corruption is (as in it is worse than even a lot of libertarians realize).

  65. DJ

    paulie
    May 4, 2017 at 21:34

    Before I would even consider it, I would want some plausible answers to the questions I am asking. Otherwise it is a guaranteed waste of time.
    …………..

    The answers may be in the video and gaining knowledge about a subject (good, bad or indifferent) can hardly be considered a waste of time. It’s also a given that no one sees or hears the same thing even though their source is the same. If you choose to not give your perspective we all lose.
    I’ve already given my “reason”/perspective for not watching the video. The gov’t lies, constantly, about everything and I doubt the video would add any different, or better knowledge to that effect.

  66. Andy

    “and find it on there own?”

    Should read, “and find it on their own?”

  67. paulie

    The official government story has serious problems and there’s many strange occurrences surrounding the event. Am I the only one who finds it curious the school was completely torn down afterwards removing any possibility of future physical investigation?

    No, you’re not. I’m suspicious that there may have been other killers than the “lone nut gunman,” for example. But I have a much harder time with the idea that kids were not killed that day for reasons I spelled out several times above and which no one has addressed. The idea that the school had been closed for years seems even more difficult to believe, if that is possible.

  68. Tony From Long Island

    Hey Mr. DJ . . . .

    I have made no move to actually bar Andrew the Delusional from posting. I have only suggested it should be done. I am also not the only one to have done so.

    For those who run this site to end the endless blather of Andrew the Delusional, it would not be censorship. They can run this site as they see fit. His freedom speech goes only as far as those who run this site let it. It’s their site.

    It seems apparent that his bloviating will be allowed to continue, so it’s a moot point.

    Paulie has asked him several times to answer very simple yes or no questions. He has declined. He asked him last week to add a short blurb to an article. He declined.

    He has to ability to edit his posts, yet he CONTINUOUSLY does his “should read . . . ” Why?

    IPR should be about third parties and / or political philosophies – policy debates etc.

    It should not be an open forum for conspiracy nonsense. There are plenty of other places for that garbage.

    Someone fortunate enough to get the keys to a very nice car should not then drive it into a wall.

  69. paulie

    Posting someone’s IP address is a gross abuse of moderator/admin privileges, particularly when it is done for vindictive reasons. In this instance the IP is a VPN, so there is no personal geo-location data exposed. However, it is exhibit A why one should be using a VPN, in no small part as a minimal protection against lame public doxing attempts…as is the case in this instance.

    I’ve already asked Andy not to do that again. He’s fairly new at posting articles here, even though I think he should have already known that as someone who has been commenting here for years, but unless it’s something that he does repeatedly I am not going to delete his article-posting abilities for it. I think it’s OK to say in broad terms that someone is using an anonymizer, but getting more specific than that is a no-no.

  70. Anthony Dlugos

    “Calling someone a “troofer” is just about the stupidest thing I can thing of, as if wanting to know the truth about events that change our country is a bad thing.”

    Just as an aside, like many people, I typically use humor to deflect tension. My use of the word Troofer is just such an way I do that.

    In other words, you really don’t want to know what I think of someone who turns the heartbreaking tragedy of Sandy Hook into a vehicle for political idiocy. Suffice to say that I agree with Tony that there is something deeply, deeply wrong with such a person.

  71. paulie

    And yes, stopping someone you disagree with (or don’t like) is censorship.”

    BINGO!!!!

    No, censorship is something governments do. Private entities have a right to do as they wish. That being said, I’ll say again that while I do have some problems with some of the things Andy says in comments, which I have never been shy about pointing out, his articles have generally been fine. I may make specific criticisms such as “add a blurb” (speaking of which, was that blurb ever added?) or “cut it down to an excerpt” but they have all been within IPR subject matter and other guidelines.

    I always find it funny that some of our most read and commented on articles are the ones that people keep saying don’t belong on the site, or need to be taken down, etc. If it’s so old and boring why is it generating so many views and comments? There are literally thousands of articles at IPR that have zero comments, and all of them (with very, very few exceptions) are still open for comment.

  72. paulie

    The answers may be in the video

    If they are, then the people who have watched them should be able to answer simple questions such as “did these kids ever exist? If they did exist, are they still alive? If they did not exist, was the whole town, plus former residents and extended families, paid off to pretend they did exist?” And if they can’t even begin to answer questions that are that simple and fundamental after hours and hours of watching videos, I can’t see that as a good use of time.

  73. Andy

    I posted that person’s IP address precisely because it came from an IP anonymizer. IPR has been attacked by trolls posting under fake names and IP anonymizers for years. These trolls have sent out death threats, among other nefarious things.

  74. Andy

    One of the ways that the government covers up false flag events is by having them at the same time that they have drills happening. This is done to confuse the good people, or people who just are not in the know, in government, and it also provides a cover story as to why the government already had people in place before an event happens. The government just happened to be conducting terrorist drills on 9/11/01, and on the day of the Boston bombing, and the same thing happened in the UK with the 7/7 bombing in London. Active shooter drills just happened to be going on during Sandy Hook, the Charleston Church shooting, and other mass shooting incidents in this country. Coincidence? I think not.

    Sandy Hook Shooting: Active-Shooter Drill Confirmed by Law Enforcement Raises Suspicion of False Flag Operation

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/sandy-hook-shooting-active-shooter-drill-confirmed-by-law-enforcement-raises-suspicion-of-false-flag-operation.html

  75. Tony From Long Island

    He still won’t answer you Paulie . . . Likely never will.

    Paulie:

    . . . .I always find it funny that some of our most read and commented on articles are the ones that people keep saying don’t belong on the site, or need to be taken down, etc. . . . .

    And many of those un-commented articles are interesting. However If someone posts conspiracy nonsense, I comment to call out the nonsense and the delusions of the poster. He must be called what he is.

  76. paulie

    I posted that person’s IP address precisely because it came from an IP anonymizer. IPR has been attacked by trolls posting under fake names and IP anonymizers for years. These trolls have sent out death threats, among other nefarious things.

    Not everyone who posts from an IP anonymizer is necessarily a troll just because they use an anonymizer. I haven’t made up my mind about the particular individual/character being referred to but he is on my watch list. Posting an exact IP address is not all of a sudden OK just because it is from an anonymizer. Don’t do it again.

    IPR has been attacked by trolls posting under fake names and IP anonymizers for years. These trolls have sent out death threats, among other nefarious things.

    That is true. And when I recognize any new screen name or persona as being part of that I start zapping them even if the individual comments are innocuous. But it doesn’t mean that everyone who uses an anonymizer is automatically part of that.

  77. Anthony Dlugos

    Andy’s incessant disposition about various conspiracy theories is what is truly alarming. Posting a unremarkable, non-newsworthy video from 2015 with 1000 views, and the relentless posting of links no one is gonna read in the thread…

    There’s a tenuous grip on reality there that’s gotta scare even other conspiracy theorist.

  78. Andy

    There’s a declassified government document from the 1960’s called Operation Northwoods. This document suggested that the government stage terrorist attacks, including some that were completely fake, even calling for fake funerals for the fake victims, in order to gain public support for the US going to war with Cuba. One of the things that was suggested in this document was for the government to stage mass shootings.

    Operation Northwoods

    US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
    TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html

  79. Jill Pyeatt

    Anthony Dlugos said: you really don’t want to know what I think of someone who turns the heartbreaking tragedy of Sandy Hook into a vehicle for political idiocy

    Hmmm. It seems to me just about everything going on in this country now is “political idiocy”.

  80. Tony From Long Island

    Your point is valid, Jill, but this nonsense is miles above on the level of idiocy.

  81. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt
    May 5, 2017 at 14:42
    ‘Anthony Dlugos said: you really don’t want to know what I think of someone who turns the heartbreaking tragedy of Sandy Hook into a vehicle for political idiocy’

    Hmmm. It seems to me just about everything going on in this country now is ‘political idiocy’.”

    This is exactly what the government is doing with Sandy Hook, the Charleston Church shooting, the Boston bombing, 9/11, the OKC bombing, etc…

    They use Heglian Dialectic of PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION, that is that they create a problem, either real, or perceived, in order to get desired reactions out of the public, and then they provide solutions which provide them with more power, control, and wealth.

    So according to Anthony, it is OK if the government does this (even if he really believes that the government had nothing to do with staging any of these incidents, the fact remains that the government uses them to further their political agenda), but it is not OK for anyone to call them out for it doing it.

  82. Jill Pyeatt

    the fact remains that the government uses them to further their political agenda

    That is most certainly true. Sometimes the proposed legislation is already written and ready to go, as was the case with the Patriot Act.

  83. Chuck Moulton

    It’s not that every conspiracy theory is wrong or nuts. This particular conspiracy theory is batshit crazy.

    It doesn’t pass the smell test. Too many people would need to be in on it. It’s not possible to keep something like that secret forever.

    The larger problem is conspiracy theorists see comspiracies everywhere. The crazier ones take away credibility when comspiracy theorists point out yey another “hoax”. It’s like the boy who cried wolf.

    It doesn’t help that the nuttier ones like Andy never find a conspiracy theory they don’t like. He has yet to declare that a single situation others think may be a conspiracy is not a conapiracy in his opinion.

    I’m a skeptical person naturally. I like to look at the evidence.

    But one big problem with conspiracy theories are conspiracy theorists. They are their own worst enemy.

    I had doubts about building 7. Unfortunately, anyone who has doubts about building 7 is labeled a 911 truther by outsiders, who then take that to mean I (and other skeptics) think all of 911 is an inside job. But it’s even worse than that… it’s not just “the establishment” that mislabels people; it’s conspiracy theorists themselves. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve see comspiracy theorist say something like “millions of people have dounts about building 7, so millions of people are 911 truthers”, then misrepresent that number by saying “millions of people are 911 truthers, so millions of people think 911 is an inside job”. It’s not just with 911… it’s every conspiracy theory.

    I’m basically told it’s black and white: every person either thinks something was a hoax / inside job or that something happened exactly how the media portrayed it.

    Given that choice, I’ll take the latter. I’d rather be seen as duped than insane and callous toward the many real victims of tragedies.

    Conspiracy theorists are also their own worst enemies because they are broken records, spammy, and generally unpleasant to be around. Not all of them, mind you, but a lot. People tend to listen to opinions from people they trust, respect, and emjoy talking with. Unpleasant spammers who pollute every thread with their garbage are none of those things. Jill doesn’t act that way… she is approachable, friendly, and leaves herself open to educating people who come to her with questions. Andy actively drives people away.

    I’ve learned over the years that the best way to win an argument is to recruit someone to argue for the other side who is illogical and unpleasant.

    As for me, I have enough issues to fight for without aligning myself with people who are unpleasant and would make me look crazy by association.

  84. dL

    Not everyone who posts from an IP anonymizer is necessarily a troll just because they use an anonymizer.

    The use of VPN is a recommended practice supported by mainstream privacy/civil libertarian groups like the EFF and ACLU. VPN is already baked into the Opera browser. To the extent that VPN doesn’t become a mainstay feature for all browser vendors, one can easily add the capability freely from the applicable app stores(of course, you can also use a separate paid service). In a post-snowden world, this is no longer even a mildly controversial topic, and generally the only ones who complain about it are the ones who are in the business of mass surveillance.

  85. Anthony Dlugos

    “Given that choice, I’ll take the latter. I’d rather be seen as duped than insane and callous toward the many real victims of tragedies.

    Conspiracy theorists are also their own worst enemies because they are broken records, spammy, and generally unpleasant to be around. Not all of them, mind you, but a lot.”

    Well written and amen! to that part.

  86. DJ

    as was the case with the Patriot Act.
    Chuck Moulton
    May 5, 2017 at 20:04

    It’s not that every conspiracy theory is wrong or nuts. This particular conspiracy theory is batshit crazy.
    …….

    Then present evidence to refute the evidence provided. Please.
    …….

    It’s like the boy who cried wolf.
    …..
    Like the gov’t always says there’s a crisis we need to do something?
    ……

    .

    I had doubts about building 7
    …….
    Why just bldg 7?

  87. DJ

    I used to belong to a political message board that was made up of mostly Republicans (calling themselves conservatives) and couple of democrats. Anytime a “conspiracy theory” was made into a thread (or mentioned as an example) they all went ballistic. A couple of them tried in vain to discredit the poster as though that would change the facts presented. When confronted with that (attacking the messenger) by pointing out that’s what liberals do they became vehement in their attacks. A couple even used the Popular Mechanics theory as proof that all 3 bldg’s did precisely what the media said they did. Never mind that there is a group of architects and engineers (over 2000) who have made it known that what we’re told happened is not possible.

    When the Boston bombing took place a poster posted a photo showing that the back pack of one of the alleged bombers was not the back pack we were told was used.

    We had several threads about crisis actors with pictures from different events with the same people photographed.

    I have personally engaged in the argument about 9/11 and provided page after page of evidence from the above mentioned engineers and was told I was crazy.

    Bring up Ruby Ridge or Waco and they would all defend the gov’t actions. Bring up Pearl Harbor or Vietnam and they would explode. Bring up the Homeland Security Act and some would defend it, though most would agree it was wrong.

    I was there for nearly 8 years and learned more about our gov’t and our history than I did the rest of my life. The main thing I learned is gov’t lies and is never to be believed or trusted. Our trust in it has brought us to where we are which is not an endearing picture if History is looked at for the life of an empire. We’re over due. It’s about time to pay the fiddler and the first installments due soon. The False Flag game is gonna catch up. It has to. It is inevitable. When havoc is created, chaos ensues and catastrophe is inevitable. It’s a Natural order that cannot be reversed. It can only be minimized through knowledge, good, bad and/or indifferent which can manifest itself in ways unimaginable….. regardless of what is deemed plausible by whomever.

    And as for trusting the gov’t about anything, do so at your own risk. Calling somebody bat shit crazy because they don’t believe an official story is close minded like the Republicans I used to argue with. The gov’t has brought the distrust on itself, not the posters.

  88. Andy

    “LG
    May 5, 2017 at 23:29
    what happened to Andy for christs sake?”

    What do you mean what happened? I was calling 9/11 an inside job years ago. Way back in December of 2001. I thought that 9/11 looked fishy the day it happened, but I did not have any evidence at the time beyond thinking that it looked fishy, so at first, I just went with the blowback assumption (as in years of bad foreign policy was coming back to bite us in the ass). It was about a month after 9/11 that I happened to get into a conversation with somebody about politics, and during the course of the conversation, they asked me if I ever listened to Alex Jones. I said no. They said that I should listen to him (they told me some mom and pop station to check out, but I never got a chance to hear it, and then I ended up leaving this area), and they wrote down his infowars.com website for me. I checked out inforwars.com not long after this, and when I did, I saw all of these stories posted that pointed to 9/11 having been an inside job. I researched it for a couple of months after this, and by December of 2001, I went public with calling 9/11 an inside job. I got viciously attacked by some people, but I knew that I was in the right, so I persevered.

    I started looking into the Oklahoma City bombing back in the late 1990’s, and after researching it for several weeks, I can to the conclusion that it was an inside job. Somebody I used to know online had a great website (for that era) that had a really good section on the Oklahoma City bombing.

    I also looked into Waco and Ruby Ridge back in the 1990’s, and I found out that the government lied about these events. The same goes with the build up to the first Gulf War.

    I got into the Libertarian stuff back in 1996. It was after I got into libertarianism that I started to research things like the legal validity of the income tax, the New World Order, false flag terrorism, etc…

    I’ve been following this type of stuff for a long time.

    The government is run by very corrupt people. People in government lie, and engage in conspiracies (some big, and some small), on a regular basis.

    I know that your old buddy, Jim, agrees with me about 9/11, and I’d imagine that he probably agrees with me about Sandy Hook as well.

    I have spent a lot of time researching these topics, and I believe at that all, or at least most, of the big, hyped up shooting incidents that have happened over the last several years, have been staged false flag events. They are being staged by the government intelligence agencies in order to push the gun control and mental health screening agendas.

  89. Andy

    DJ said: “And as for trusting the gov’t about anything, do so at your own risk. Calling somebody bat shit crazy because they don’t believe an official story is close minded like the Republicans I used to argue with. The gov’t has brought the distrust on itself, not the posters.”

    AMEN!

  90. Andy

    Somebody said something about crying wolf. I don’t cry wolf. I examine evidence, and then I go where the evidence takes me.

  91. NewFederalist

    Andy I think a lot of folks here are suspect of the fact that you seem to think EVERY major event is a “false flag” conspiracy. Can you think of a major recent event that in your opinion was NOT a conspiracy? Thanks.

  92. Andy

    A conspiracy is two or more individuals plotting to commit a crime. This happens all the time in government. Heck, it happens every time a legislative body meets. The police frequently lie in their police reports (this happened both times I was arrested for petitioning).

  93. Tony From Long Island

    You are truly a sick man Andy. Seek help. For the betterment of all mankind . . seek help.

  94. Anthony Dlugos

    Frankly, I’m amazed his pathological tone-deafness…to the point where other Troofers denounce him…hasn’t pissed off the wrong person (in the real world) yet.

    You’d have to be fairly certain if he took his Sandy Hook Trooferism to real world Sandy Hook and laid it on some of the grieving fathers, more than one would be apt to cause some kind of permanent injury, if not worse.

  95. Tony From Long Island

    Remember the clip a few months back of some dude punching that Richard something or other racist guy in the fact during a live interview? Andy would likely receive the same welcome in Sandy Hook.

    ANDY . . . leave the Libertarian Party . . you are an embarrassment to the party
    Andy . . . Leave the Libertarian Party . . . your xenophobia is incompatible with it’s principles
    Andy . . . Leave the Libertarian Party . . . Your conspiracy garbage gives them a bad name.
    Andy . . . leave the Libertarian Party . . . . They shouldn’t have to pay for your tin foil hats anymore!

  96. Tony From Long Island

    Just as an aside. . . I never advocate violence. . . even against Andy . . However, he would not be greeted warmly in Sandy Hook.

  97. Anthony Dlugos

    I’m definitely not advocating violence. I meant my statement in its strictest sense: I’m shocked he hasn’t been hurt before. He doesn’t seem to know how to let up, and I get the impression he doesn’t care at all who he is speaking to. To his credit (in a perverse sense), I think he very well would act the same way in Sandy Hook.

  98. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 15, 2017 at 09:52
    You are truly a sick man Andy. Seek help. For the betterment of all mankind . . seek help.”

    Hey look, the two guys named Tony have shown up, and once again, both of them make statements to slander me, BUT NEITHER OF THEM HAVE AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT TO DEBUNK ANYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE VIDEO LINK I POSTED, NOR HAVE THEY PRESENTED ANY ARGUMENTS TO REFUTE ANYTHING THAT I SAID.

    Come on guys, make an actual argument, OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! Calling names or proclaiming that I’m a bad guy for presenting facts IS NOT AN ARGUMENT.

  99. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 15, 2017 at 10:17
    Remember the clip a few months back of some dude punching that Richard something or other racist guy in the fact during a live interview? Andy would likely receive the same welcome in Sandy Hook.”

    Tony shows his true moronic nature. So instead of making an actual argument, as in rebutting something that I said with facts, he thinks that punching somebody is an argument/

    “ANDY . . . leave the Libertarian Party . . you are an embarrassment to the party
    Andy . . . Leave the Libertarian Party . . . your xenophobia is incompatible with it’s principles
    Andy . . . Leave the Libertarian Party . . . Your conspiracy garbage gives them a bad name.
    Andy . . . leave the Libertarian Party . . . . They shouldn’t have to pay for your tin foil hats anymore!”

    This from a guy who is NOT even a Libertarian.

    Hey, I’ve got news for you, there are Libertarians out there who agree with me about a lot of these false flags, and a lot of other things, and even among those who disagree with me on some of these issues, they are not all a bunch of mindless IDIOTS like you are as many are people who are willing to work with those who they do not agree with on everything.

  100. paulie

    Come on guys, make an actual argument

    I made an actual argument, in the form of questions, which is one type of argument. I even repeated them. I don’t remember them being answered. I don’t care to re-read the thread to find them but if you do they should still be there, in case you would like to engage an actual argument.

    So instead of making an actual argument, as in rebutting something that I said with facts, he thinks that punching somebody is an argument

    Both Tonies specifically said they do not advocate punching you, only that they are surprised someone hasn’t done it yet and the prediction that someone would if you went to Sandy Hook and said this stuff. That’s an empirical observation, not advocacy for initiating physical violence as a form of “argument.”

  101. Tony From Long Island

    Andy, there is no argument to make. You are so far gone that you likely can’t be recovered to rejoin normal society. I will call you out on your crap every single time you bring it up. You are a conspiracy theorist nut bag without an ounce of empathy and a tin foil hat for a conscience. You honestly should be ashamed of yourself, but you aren’t even capable of shame.

    Paulie has (several times) asked you a very simple question about your Sandy Hook nonsense and you ignore it every time.

    ANDY . . . LEAVE the LP . . you are an embarrassment.

  102. Tony From Long Island

    The fact that I am no longer a member of the Libertarian Party has no bearing on whether or not I think a complete nut job like you should represent them in any form.

  103. Andy

    “paulie
    May 15, 2017 at 11:03
    ‘Come on guys, make an actual argument’
    I made an actual argument, in the form of questions, which is one type of argument. I even repeated them. I don’t remember them being answered. I don’t care to re-read the thread to find them but if you do they should still be there, in case you would like to engage an actual argument.”

    I have already answered a bunch of questions, and I’ve posted a bunch of links that contain a mountain of evidence, such as the fact that many of the alleged Sandy Hook victim’s families are actors (what are the odds of that many actors having kids at the same school in some small town in Connecticut, which is not exactly a hotbed of acting?).

    I can’t believe that you of all people would buy into this Sandy Hook bullshit. Yeah, the government is staging shootings around the country to build support for new control and mental health legislation. They are staging these things through the government intelligence agencies, and they are paying off some members of local law enforcement, as well as the crisis actors that they hire to take part in these scams. Sandy Hook, the Aurora Batman shooting, the Charleston Church shooting, the Waco Biker shooting, the Virginia TV news station shooting, the Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting, the San Bernardino shooting, the Isle Vista shooting, the Las Vegas Joke shooting, the Umpqua Community College shooting, etc…., HAVE ALL BEEN STAGED. Yes, most of, or maybe even all of, the big, hyped up shooting incidents that have happened over the last several years HAVE BEEN STAGED. Multiple people involved in these incidents have been OUTED as being ACTORS. It has come out the feds were HOLDING DRILLS at the same time and in the same areas as these shootings were happening, just like the feds were running drills on 9/11/01 that involved hijacked airplanes, and just like the feds were running drills in Boston during the Boston bombing. If anyone here believes that these are all just coincidences, beware of anyone who tries to sell you a bridge.

    I hate to break it to people, but the people who run the government are psychopaths and sociopaths. There are also people out there who will do anything for money. The government intelligence agencies have BILLIONS of dollars at their disposal, and this is shut with the money about which we know, as they also have black budgets, so we don’t even know for sure how much funding they have, or what they do with all of this money. I have met plenty of people working in politics who will work on any cause that pays them, and many of them have already worked on gun control campaigns. When I was living in Los Angeles I came in contact with lots of wannabe actors and actresses (which is not unusual in Los Angeles, as there are thousands of these people spread throughout the area), and many of these people were desperate for money, and most of them leaned to the left politically, and were already opposed to gun rights. I have no doubt that if some federal agents came along and waved some money at some of the people I’ve encountered while working on political campaigns, or who were struggling actors/actresses, that they would sign a non-disclosure statement and would be willing to participate in a false flag hoax if they were paid off, and some of these people would be even more likely to do it if it meant erasing some problem with the government off of their record (like a drug arrest, or something like that). Like I said above, the government uses psychological screeners, so they don’t offer to bring just anyone in on these operations. They psychologically screen people before hand, so anyone they think won’t “go along with the program” gets eliminated early on in the process. Even if somebody were to talk afterwards, they won’t get far considering how controlled the mass media is, and considering the government surveillance system that is set up. The government will also take people out (as in they will kill them) if they think that they know too much and will talk, and there have in fact already been quite a few people that witnessed things that the government did not want getting out about 9/11 who ended up dead under mysterious circumstances, and the same goes with some of these other events like Sandy Hook.

    “Both Tonies specifically said they do not advocate punching you, only that they are surprised someone hasn’t done it yet and the prediction that someone would if you went to Sandy Hook and said this stuff. That’s an empirical observation, not advocacy for initiating physical violence as a form of ‘argument.'”

    Guys like Tony and Anthony lack the intellectual integrity to bother investigating any facts. They’d prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and engage in name calling and to repeat government approved propaganda talking points.

    Contrary to what guys like Tony and Anthony say, there are lots of people among the general public who agree that the government is lying about 9/11 and a bunch of other stuff, and not everyone reacts in such a hostile manner to the assertion that the government has lied about things like Sandy Hook, the JFK assassination, Waco, the OKC bombing, etc… I’ve even had people come up to me and bring topics such as Sandy Hook being a fraud WITHOUT my having prompted them. I’ve had conversations with people about the growing police state, gun control, etc…, and said something like, “I don’t know if you have looked into this or not, but after spending a lot of time investigating ______________________ (fill in the blank with 9/11 or Sandy Hook or some other controversial event) I think that it was staged by the government.” Instead of freaking out like Tony and Anthony, I’VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO’VE SAID THINGS LIKE, “You are probably right.” or, “I would not be surprised if you are correct.”

    Have I ever had a conversation like this with anyone who did freak out? Sure, it has happened a few times, BUT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GENERALLY NOT REMOTELY LIBERTARIAN ANYWAY. These are hardcore mindless statists who are the most likely to vote for Democrats or Republicans no matter what, so to hell with these people!

    Paul and I were in Boulder, Colorado several years ago, and we happened to attend a 9/11 Truth protest that was held on this promenada area, as in an outdoor street that was closed to cars, and had lots of shops and restaurants/bars, and in this case, the Boulder City Hall was also there. There were a good number of 9/11 Truth protesters there, and lots of people were walking by on the promenade. Some people walking by stopped and took interest, others just walked by without saying anything. There were a small number of people who got angry at the 9/11 Truth protesters, and shouted some nasty comments. Two or three of the nasty hecklers who bought into the official government story were from New York, and they claimed to be New York City firefighters, although they must not have talked to any of the New York City firefighters, as well as the other firefighters out there, who have called 9/11 an inside job. These guys had no rational argument, and they sounded like they had low IQ’s, as they refused to respond to any of the facts presented by the 9/11 Truth protesters and they kept shouting that we were somehow attacking and disrespecting the firefighters who died that day, when the OPPOSITE of that was true. One guy there tried to explain to these low grade morons that we were actually honoring the firefighters by investigating what really happened that day, and that we did in fact respect the firefighters who lost their lives that day, but of course these idiots continued to shout insults and repeat government propaganda talking points and then they stormed off, never bothering to respond to any actual facts presented by the 9/11 Truth protesters.

    Some people don’t like being confronted with facts that make them feel uncomfortable, so rather than confronting the uncomfortable with logic and reason, and engaging in rational discussion, they prefer to lash out and throw temper tantrums. I do not respect people who engage in such irrational behavior.

  104. Tony From Long Island

    You’re even worse than I feared . . . . You still kinda ignored Paulie’s question.

  105. Tony From Long Island

    ” . . . . Virginia TV news station shooting. . .

    and you say this shit with no shame . . . . You truly should be institutionalized.

  106. Tony From Long Island

    Now Andy is posting as “Max . . .” Yeah . . . Totally Dominating. . . . . laugh of the day.

  107. Tony From Long Island

    Andrew the Delusional: ” . . . .there are lots of people among the general public who agree that the government is lying about “FILL IN THE BLANK’ . . . ”

    Yeah . . . Lots . . . . and all 50 of you watch Alex Jones for a dose of your latest batshit conspiracy . . . Are you sure you weren’t abducted by Aliens? I mean actual aliens . . . not those who cross the border who you rail against . . .

  108. Andy

    “Contrary to what guys like Tony and Anthony say, there are lots of people among the general public who agree that the government is lying about 9/11 and a bunch of other stuff, ”

    When I said lots of people, I don’t mean everybody, which should be obvious, but I do mean a lot more people than guys like Tony and Anthony would have people believe. There are lots of people out there who know that there are major things wrong with government in this country. Lots of these people are independents and non-voters, and even among people who vote for Democrats and Republicans, some area just voting for whom they perceive to be the lesser of two evils, and some of them who are strongly aligned with one of the major parties believe that the other major party does all kinds of evil things.

    The people who react in a hostile manner over the assertion that the government lied about 9/11 or Sandy Hook or some similar incident, is actually a good litmus test for who is open to libertarianism, because the people who react in a hostile manner to the assertion that there are people in government who lie and do evil things, like carrying out 9/11 and staging Sandy Hook, are also the MOST LIKELY people to mindlessly support Democrats or Republicans. I have talked politics, both in person, and online, than the vast majority of the population, and it is my experience that those who question government are also the most likely to be open to the Libertarian Party and other alternative parties and independent candidates, and they are the least likely to trust or support the mainstream Democrats and Republicans.

  109. Tony From Long Island

    It’s so sad that every person who works hard to get that degree in journalism and finally gets that first job on a local TV station has to be pulled aside only to be told how things “really work” and that everything they report are lies from the government. . . .

    Give me a friggin break. You are a joke.

  110. Tony From Long Island

    Andy ” . . . . .The people who react in a hostile manner over the assertion that the government lied about 9/11 or Sandy Hook or some similar incident, is actually a good litmus test for who is open to libertarianism . . . . ”

    Another reason why you give libertarianism a bad name. You can only be open to libertarianism if you are all in for conspiracy bull shit. . . . PLEASE . .

    Do us a favor. . . LEAVE THE LP . You are a stain on all the work they have been trying to do for all these years.

  111. Tony From Long Island

    Andy, you have said in the past that you post your garbage because millions of people visit IPR. . . . Why, then, are you basically the only nut bag who regularly posts this crap?

  112. Andy

    Polls indicate that a majority of Americans do not believe the official government story about one of the biggest points of controversy ever, the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

    Poll: Most Believe ‘Cover-Up’ of JFK Assassination Facts

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/06/18/poll-most-believe-cover-up-jfk-assassination-facts.html

    From the artcile: “A majority of the public believes the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (search) was part of a larger conspiracy, not the act of one individual. In addition, most Americans think there was a cover-up of facts about the 1963 shooting.

    On the 40th anniversary of JFK’s assassination, a recent FOX News poll shows most Americans disagree with the government’s conclusions about the killing. The Warren Commission (search) found that Lee Harvey Oswald (search) acted alone when he shot Kennedy, but 66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the ‘act of one individual.’ These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.

    The FOX News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation (search), also shows that most Americans (74 percent) think there was a cover-up of the facts about the assassination of JFK. Few people (14 percent) think “we know all the facts” and 12 percent are unsure.”

  113. Tony From Long Island

    Jill. I won’t give Andy the satisfaction of watching the links he posts.

    However, in response to you, don’t you think the government (with it’s limitless resources) would be able to find separate actors for each “part?”

  114. Anthony Dlugos

    “The people who react in a hostile manner over the assertion that the government lied about 9/11 or Sandy Hook or some similar incident, is actually a good litmus test for who is open to libertarianism, because the people who react in a hostile manner to the assertion that there are people in government who lie and do evil things, like carrying out 9/11 and staging Sandy Hook, are also the MOST LIKELY people to mindlessly support Democrats or Republicans.”

    lol.

  115. Tony From Long Island

    Andy . . I’m done with you for today. You are a disgraceful nasty deluded person without a soul.

    Take your conspiracy theories to New Town Connecticut (or Aurora, Orlando, etc) . . .. Let me know how the citizens there take to your nonsense . . .

  116. Andy

    Here is another piece of anecdotal evidence from my life. I have a few 9/11 Truth t-shirts. It is not like I wear them all the time, but the times that I have worn them in public, which is on multiple occasions, I have not had one person come up and start yelling at me, and in fact, the only comments I’ve gotten from people about the shirts have been positive.

  117. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt
    May 15, 2017 at 12:13
    I’ve watched this video, and it does appear to me that one person played both parts.”

    It is also quite a coincidence that both the guy in question, and his wife, have been proven to be actors. Both are working as gun control lobbyists now.

    Funny how all of these actors just happened to have kids in the same small town schools in Connecticut, which is not exactly a hotbed for acting. Funny how actors have popped up in a bunch of these incidents.

  118. dL

    Now Andy is posting as “Max . . .” Yeah . . . Totally Dominating. . . . . laugh of the day.

    That one came from an OVH VPS out of Montreal Quebec…that’s one of the two sources of impersonation spam that targets this site. But it is not the primary one. But it also one where there is no circumstantial evidence that ties it to any regular poster.

  119. Jill Pyeatt

    However, in response to you, don’t you think the government (with it’s limitless resources) would be able to find separate actors for each “part?

    One would think so. I am constantly amazed at how incredibly sloppy these false flags are. I do NOT think all of government is involved. It’s most likely a small group who can’t even bother to write new scripts.

  120. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 15, 2017 at 12:22
    Andy . . I’m done with you for today. You are a disgraceful nasty deluded person without a soul.

    Take your conspiracy theories to New Town Connecticut (or Aurora, Orlando, etc) . . .. Let me know how the citizens there take to your nonsense . . .”

    I don’t know about any non-government connected people in these places, but I do know that New York City has a vibrant 9/11 Truth community.

    Zogby Poll Shows Half of New Yorkers Believe US Let 9/11 Happen

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/zogby911

    From the article: “Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and ‘Consciously Failed’ To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals”

  121. dL

    lol.

    Anthony, a distinction should be made between “cry wolf” claims that the government secretly engineers public tragedies and the equally nonsensical claim that government never lies about them.

  122. paulie

    I have already answered a bunch of questions,

    If you answered the specific questions I asked please let me know the timestamp or link of the comments where you did so. I did not see answers to the questions I asked earlier in this thread, and I’m pretty sure I read all the comments at least once (except maybe some of your really long ones).

    I can’t believe that you of all people would buy into this Sandy Hook bullshit

    What makes you think I buy into anything? I think it’s entirely plausible that it was not a “lone nut gunman” as the official story claims, and that there may be some elements of coverup involved. I find it far less plausible that the kids never existed, or that they are still alive and well, or that the school was closed for years before that as one of your comments said or implied. Not only the whole town of Sandy Hook would have to be in on it if something like that was true, but people from surrounding towns, extended family members, former residents who had lived in Sandy Hook but already moved out of there before the incident and on and on. Not all of those people support restrictive gun laws.

    So once again, instead of hand waving about things in the official story that don’t add up (we agree that there may very well be problems with the official story) and posting a bunch of video links that I will not be watching, tell me whether you think any of those kids ever existed, and if they did what happened to them and where are they now. It’s a simple question and does not require hours of watching videos or comments that take multiple pages to print out to answer.

    Do you believe that all of the children that were allegedly killed that day were fictional, ie had never been real living human beings at all?

    It doesn’t get any more simple than that.

  123. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt
    May 15, 2017 at 12:30
    ‘However, in response to you, don’t you think the government (with it’s limitless resources) would be able to find separate actors for each“part?’

    One would think so. I am constantly amazed at how incredibly sloppy these false flags are.”

    Some people say, “Government could not possibly get away with this stuff without getting caught.” My response to this is that THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN CAUGHT. There are lots of independent researchers out there who have EXPOSED a lot of this stuff. There are two problems though, 1) lots of the public is brainwashed through years of indoctrination in the government controlled education system, as well as by the mainstream media, who in large part control the dissemination of information, and lots of people are under peer pressure to go along with what the government says, because so much of the population relies on government to receive their living, either by working for or contracting with government, or by receiving various forms of welfare, or by working in some government created or protected racket, and 2) there are not enough good people in government to do anything about this stuff, as in there are currently not enough good people in government to start up real criminal investigations, and to prosecute people.

    So even though a lot of these official government stories about these events have been EXPOSED as lies by independent researchers, the people in government pulling this shit have been able to get away with it.

    It is amazing what you can get away with when you control the education system, the media, and the justice system, and when you have mega-billions of dollars, and all kinds of technology, at your disposal.

    ” I do NOT think all of government is involved. It’s most likely a small group who can’t even bother to write new scripts.”

    Nobody has ever said that everyone in government is involved with this stuff. It only takes a few key people in a few key places. Even out of those involved, some of the people involved are compartmentalized, as in they only know part of what is going on, as there’d only need to be a few people at the top that know the overall all plans.

  124. paulie

    One would think so. I am constantly amazed at how incredibly sloppy these false flags are.

    They are not capable of hiring different actors for all the parts, yet they are capable of buying/intimidating an entire town, plus people from surrounding towns, plus extended family members all over the world, plus former residents, into all going along their story and keeping silent about the real facts? IE manufacturing a bunch of kids who never existed and covering up that the school had already been closed for years? Really?

  125. Tony From Long Island

    I can’t stop laughing. Please . . click on that link Andy gave about some supposed Zogby poll.

    Then click on the link there that would take you to the REAL ZOGBY page . . . see what happens!!

    It takes you to a car rental page!!

    You are a complete joke Andy. You are a nutjob of the highest degree who can’t even post actual links to the fake nonsense you are trying to peddle

  126. paulie

    Zogby Poll Shows Half of New Yorkers Believe US Let 9/11 Happen

    Yeah, but I don’t think even 0.50% of New Yorkers would believe that the World Trade Center had already been closed for years and that no real people died that day, which would be more like what you apparently want us to believe about Sandy Hook. Or am I misunderstanding what you are alleging?

  127. paulie

    So much for Andy’s complaint that no one would engage him in an actual argument. I tried. Again. And still getting no answers. Again.

  128. Tony From Long Island

    C’mon Andy . . gimme some more troof!!

    Are you scrambling to find the fake poll you wanted us to click on? If I needed to rent a car in Baltimore at least I know where to go.

  129. Tony From Long Island

    Andy: ” . . . . . but I do know that New York City has a vibrant 9/11 Truth community. . . . . ”

    No . . . .it doesn’t.

    But then again . . if you define “vibrant” as 10 guys meeting at a dungeons and dragons convention to talk some Troof . . . then maybe you’re right.

  130. Tony From Long Island

    A poll taken sometime during the last decade might be helpful.

    Thanks for the correct link Paulie.

  131. Jill Pyeatt

    They are not capable of hiring different actors for all the parts, yet they are capable of buying/intimidating an entire town, plus people from surrounding towns, plus extended family members all over the world, plus former residents, into all going along their story and keeping silent about the real facts? IE manufacturing a bunch of kids who never existed and covering up that the school had already been closed for years? Really?

    Your questions are valid, and I don’t have the answers to them. I don’t pretend to have all the answers, which is why I’d like to find a source that can explain all this. Something this big had clearly been planned for years.

    As far as whether the children ever existed, I hope the answer is they did not. The reason I say this is that several of the kids have been spotted alive, for example Noah Posner’s picture was posted as having been killed in Pakistan and several of the kids were seen singing at the 2013 Super Bowl. Also, the FBI listed “0” as the number of murders which occurred in Sandy Hook for 2012.

    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Sandy_Hook%27s_Dead_Children_Seen_Alive_Singing_At_2013_Super_Bowl%3A_Conspiracy_or_Disinformation%3F/31405/0/5/5/Y/M.html

    Last time to talked to Art Olivier about it, he also was unsure if children died or not.

    As far as how did the community not spill the beans about the school having been closed? I do not have the answer to that. The reason I self-identify as a Truther is that I’m seeking the truth. I still have many, many questions.

  132. George Phillies

    Publishing nonsense like this does not advance coverage of their parties, fourth parties, fifth parties, or even 42nd parties. You would do better to do a historical on the American Phalangist Party, or the American offices of the Kuomintang — there used to be one in Boston.

  133. paulie

    George, I do believe you made that comment earlier in the thread as well. Your viewpoint has been noted. Article on American Phalangist Party could be posted if someone cares to write it.

  134. Dave

    If all of these shooting were false flags the government did not really take advantage of them to do much. Gun sales during the Obama era broke records, and I’m sure that was helped by the fact the people feared he was planning to take away their guns. https://heatst.com/politics/gun-sales-break-record-in-obamas-final-year-in-office/

    Ironically I’ve heard sales have actually slowed during Trump, because people do not fear gun control so much with a Republican in office. If I were the government conspiracy I think I’d focus on getting a Republican known to be pro gun rights elected, have a few terrible attacks happen, and then influence him to push through “common sense” gun legislation. It seems like a much easier path.

    Also, I find it pretty hard to believe pretty much everyone of the high profile shooting of the past few years were false flags. I think truthers sort of overstep when they try to tie it all together. There are enough crazy people out there that don’t need government to tell them to go shoot someone. If even one high profile shooting could have the conspiracy community collectively research and say “Yeah, there’s no tie here, it’s just a random act of violence.” I’d respect their arguments more and give them a little more credence. But I never seem to see that.

  135. paulie

    Ironically I’ve heard sales have actually slowed during Trump, because people do not fear gun control so much with a Republican in office.

    Except, according to a news report I saw last night, among black people, who have actually been buying more guns since Trump has been elected.

    George, I do believe you made that comment earlier in the thread as well. Your viewpoint has been noted.

    I may have been mistaken. I do remember George making that comment earlier but it must have been on another thread since a text search found no prior mentions of Mr. Milnes in this thread.

  136. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt
    May 15, 2017 at 13:26
    ‘They are not capable of hiring different actors for all the parts, yet they are capable of buying/intimidating an entire town, plus people from surrounding towns, plus extended family members all over the world, plus former residents, into all going along their story and keeping silent about the real facts? IE manufacturing a bunch of kids who never existed and covering up that the school had already been closed for years? Really?’

    Your questions are valid, and I don’t have the answers to them. I don’t pretend to have all the answers, which is why I’d like to find a source that can explain all this. Something this big had clearly been planned for years.”

    They did not have to buy off everyone. Most of the people in that area had no idea what was going on. Also, those Sandy Hook families of alleged victims had not lived in the town very long. They plan these things years in advance, and they moved people into the town for the purpose of the operation. Check out the link I posted above about how a bunch of these people involved mysteriously had their houses paid off on the same day.

  137. Andy

    There is a ton of information in the links I posted above. It is pretty obvious that most people here have done little to no investigation into any of the information I posted. Go do some homework and then get back to me.

  138. Tony From Long Island

    Andy ” . . . .Also, those Sandy Hook families of alleged victims had not lived in the town very long. They plan these things years in advance, and they moved people into the town for the purpose of the operation. Check out the link I posted above about how a bunch of these people involved mysteriously had their houses paid off on the same day. . . . ”

    Your sickness gets deeper and deeper by day. It’s hard to believe that people like you actually exist. When you hum a tune, you should hear a loud echo because your body lacks a soul and conscience.

  139. Anthony Dlugos

    I don’t want to know the trauma that occurred in Andy’s past that caused him to travel down this path to sheer lunacy.

  140. Tony From Long Island

    Andy, why don’t you go to New Town and do some personal investigating? Let me know what you uncover. You don’t have the balls.

  141. Andy

    Don’t believe that governments hire crisis actors? Here’s a company, based out of the UK, that specializes in supplying crisis actors in the UK, and around the world.

    http://crisiscast.com/

  142. Tony From Long Island

    I again challenge you to go to New Town. Don’t ignore me. Go there. Ask around to see what they think of your theory. If you’re so sure, go check it out for yourself.

  143. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 15, 2017 at 14:55
    I again challenge you to go to New Town. Don’t ignore me. Go there. Ask around to see what they think of your theory. If you’re so sure, go check it out for yourself.”

    If it is ever convenient for me to go there, I will.

    I have a challenge for you. How about you and I get together, in person, at a Libertarian Party meeting, in New York, and I will debate you IN PERSON, and ON VIDEO, and then we can post the video on YouTube?

    I could probably make it to the northeast sometime this year.

  144. paulie

    They did not have to buy off everyone. Most of the people in that area had no idea what was going on.

    They wouldn’t have known if the school had been closed or not? Or if their kids had had these classmates or not? Come on.

    Also, those Sandy Hook families of alleged victims had not lived in the town very long.

    Are you saying this as an absolute fact about every single family involved? Or are you just drawing conclusions that because some of them had moved there recently all of them must have?

    And even if they did all move there recently, which would in fact be suspicious if you could show evidence of it, other people would still know things like … did their neighbors have kids? Was the school closed for years?

    They plan these things years in advance

    And yet they could not manage to hire more actors for the news reports and had to have people playing multiple roles?

    Check out the link I posted above about how a bunch of these people involved mysteriously had their houses paid off on the same day.

    Maybe they threatened a lawsuit. Maybe they knew some other aspect of the story that was covered up, like additional shooters. Who knows? It’s not evidence that the kids never existed and the school had been closed for years. You’ll have to do a lot better if you want to create reasonable doubt on that score rather than the far more generic “there was something weird going on there,” the latter being pretty easy (at least for me) to believe.

    There is a ton of information in the links I posted above. It is pretty obvious that most people here have done little to no investigation into any of the information I posted. Go do some homework and then get back to me.

    Wrong attitude. You want other people to take seriously the idea that something which on the surface seems extremely implausible is in fact plausible. That means you have to entice people to want to spend time on it. Otherwise the default answers will be “that sounds crazy and it’s not worth my time.” Let’s put it this way, I am already predisposed to think some aspect of what happened there may well have been covered up, and yet even I have this reaction. No one is under any obligation to spend a whole bunch of time examining your alleged evidence. If you give people a good reason to do so, maybe some of them will. As of right now I would say you are not doing a very good job of doing that… even as someone who knows you personally and as someone who already thinks the official account may well be BS.

    But keep up that attitude if you want to keep failing to persuade people to examine your allegations.

    Sandy Hook ‘Parents’ At White House BEFORE Newtown HOAX?? Caught On WH Visitor Log!

    That must be evidence right there that clinches that the school had been closed for years and all the kids were invented. After all it’s not like throngs of people visit the White House every day or something.

  145. Tony From Long Island

    Your lack of logic is astounding . . . Let me see if I follow your deluded thinking. . . .

    1) The government stages mass shootings using “actors” but doesn’t want us to know they are staged

    2) To do that they hire “actors” from a company with a website that everyone can see. . .

    Spock would be raising one eyebrow . . .

    You can’t be serious with this shit. . . . . You are a truly sick individual in need of help.

    So, are you going to go to New Town to clear it all up for us?

  146. Tony from Long Island

    Newsflash: “YouTube” is not a credible source of information.

    Why don’t you try to argue against my simple logic argument?

  147. Anthony Dlugos

    1) The government stages mass shootings using “actors” but doesn’t want us to know they are staged

    2) To do that they hire “actors” from a company with a website that everyone can see. . .

    lol.

    same logic that points out a passport found in the rubble at Ground Zero.

    You know, just so the Troofers can find it and “prove” these were inside jobs.

  148. Andy

    Don’t believe that the government would have an actor get up and lie to the public in order to gain support for some government program? Well, they’ve already been caught doing it. Remember the tearful testimony of a young women who claimed that Iraqi troops were ripping Kowati babies out of incubators, and leaving them on the floor to die, in the build up to the first Gulf War. This story was EXPOSED as being a lie.

    Video description: “Nurse Nayirah was a young Kuwaiti woman who, in the run up to the 1990-91 Gulf war, gave fraudulent testimony to a non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990. She was presented as a 15 year old volunteer nursing assistant who needed to hide her identity for security reasons.

    In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah’s last name was al-Sabah and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States and member of the Kuwaiti royal family who had been sitting just a few feet from her as she gave her evidence. It was further revealed that she was not in Kuwait at the time of the invasion and her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by the advertising and PR firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government.”

    Nayirah False Flag Testimony

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhGl03QFUi4

  149. paulie

    same logic that points out a passport found in the rubble at Ground Zero.

    You know, just so the Troofers can find it and “prove” these were inside jobs.

    You mean the passports of the 19 hijackers which were about the only thing that survived the plane crashes in Pennsylvania and were immediately found in the wreckage proving exactly who the hijackers were?

  150. Andy

    Don’t believe that the mainstream media intentionally reports fake news? Here is footage of CNN doing just that during the first Gulf War. The reporter in the video claimed to the public that he was reporting from a place where combat was taking place, but the satellite feed revealed this to be a LIE.

    CNN Fake News 1990 Gulf War

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Lkp8Lesoo

  151. Tony From Long Island

    Don’t you get tired of this crap after awhile?

    Leaving work early. I have to go get indoctrinated. . . .

  152. Andy

    “Tony from Long Island
    May 15, 2017 at 15:17
    Newsflash: ‘YouTube’ is not a credible source of information.

    Why don’t you try to argue against my simple logic argument?”

    YouTube has thousands of videos with all kinds of information. Your dismissal of something because it was posted on YouTube DOES NOT INVALIDATE any information contained in a video, NOR IS IT AN ARGUMENT.

  153. paulie

    Andy: So much typing, yet so few answers to such simple questions.

    I haven’t looked but I would bet you also still haven’t even added the blurb to that other article despite being reminded about it in text comments, on the phone and in person literally dozens of times. I’m going to try to remember to check on that later today or tomorrow, and if the blurb is still not there, in the future your articles will not be posted until they have been checked for a blurb to see if one is needed to be added.

    Right now I’m going to need to make an effort to pull out of this comment section and stop replying here, since you just keep posting more of the same kind of stuff and not answering even the most simple logical questions. I have other stories I need to post and right now this thread is just a distraction from doing that.

    I would advise other people to do the same since it is doing nothing whatsoever except distracting from other conversations here. I am not seeing Andy convincing anyone who is bothering to comment, nor do I think anyone can convince Andy of anything, so it may be best to just let him talk to himself on this one. Further replies only encourage more of the same, and it will be coming with or without such encouragement… but only with greater frequency if people continue to reply.

  154. Tony From Long Island

    Andy: ” . . . YouTube has thousands of videos with all kinds of information. Your dismissal of something because it was posted on YouTube DOES NOT INVALIDATE any information contained in a video, NOR IS IT AN ARGUMENT. . . . . ”

    THAT WASN’T THE ARGUMENT!!!

    I’ll post it again so that maybe you’ll READ it this time:
    ————————————————————————————-
    Your lack of logic is astounding . . . Let me see if I follow your deluded thinking. . . .

    1) The government stages mass shootings using “actors” but doesn’t want us to know they are staged

    2) To do that they hire “actors” from a company with a website that everyone can see. . .

    Spock would be raising one eyebrow . . .
    ————————————————————————-

    Tell me how that makes sense . . .

  155. Tony From Long Island

    Good point Paulie . . . I am truly leaving for the day now . . .G’nite all.

  156. paulie

    YouTube has thousands of videos with all kinds of information.

    A lot of which is bullshit. Some is not, but the noise to signal ratio is high.

    More importantly, it’s time consuming, which means very few people will follow the links no matter what is in the videos. Look at IPR stats some time. How many people follow links off the site, and which links, is available info. Grand total number of people who followed any links to any youtube videos today (since midnight): 2 people. It may have been the same person if he or she followed two links to two videos. And it doesn’t tell you how much of the videos they watched; they may have just followed the links to see what they were. Or watched only a few seconds. That’s any youtube videos ever posted on IPR, so they may or may not be videos Andy posted in this thread. What that means is that zero people followed the vast majority of Andy’s youtube links today.

    Hopefully, I’ll use the rest of my day more productively than continuing to respond in this thread, which has been a huge waste of time.

  157. Andy

    If anyone here would like to engage me in debate in person, and to have the debate put on video, and posted online, let me know, and we can work on arranging something. I could probably make it to the northeast sometime this year, and there is a very good chance I can make it to Ohio if Anthony has the intellectual courage to debate me in person and have it put on video. I am also likely to attend the LP National Convention in New Orleans next year, so if anyone would like to debate me there, let me know. Perhaps we could put together a panel debate if we have enough lead time before the convention.

    I tried to get a public debate over 9/11 at multiple LP conventions, but the opposition always CHICKENED OUT, so it never happened. Back at the 2008 Libertarian National Convention in Denver, Jim Duensing and his family paid for a separate room at the same hotel as where the convention was taking place, and they hosted a 9/11 Truth event. They invited a speaker from Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, and they issued a public challenge to anyone who buys into the official government story about 9/11 to show up and debate, and NONE OF THESE PEOPLE HAD THE BALLS TO SHOW UP, even though it was in the SAME HOTEL as where the convention was happening. They also hosted their own presidential debate, that was open to any candidate who signed their petition to re-open the 9/11 investigation, and the audience was allowed to ask the candidates questions. Only a few of the candidates took part in this debate.

  158. Ad Hoc

    There are a lot of people I could “debate” if I needed to prove that I am not “too chicken” to debate them… creationists, flat earthers, nazis, cult members of all sorts, crazy bums hollering on streetcorners. Most of us have … other priorities than debating all those folks. Much less setting up an event to debate them in person for the cameras.

  159. Andy

    So says, “Ad Hoc,” a person who has so little confidence that they have to post under a fake name. I would not be surprised if they are using an IP anonymizer as well.

  160. Ad Hoc

    Anyone would say the same thing, even you. Just to different proposed “debates.” With or without an anonymizer. The only shame here, if there is any, is in helping to continue to perpetuate this thread at all. Instead of posting an ad hominem argument you should try becoming more persuasive. Or you can keep blaming everyone else for not following your links or setting up debates with you at conventions. Three guesses which path you take on that.

  161. Andy

    “Phillies: IPR becoming totally worthless
    May 15, 2017 at 17:24
    IPR continues to prove why it is becoming totally worthless. See above.”

    There are plenty of articles and comments posted on IPR, about a large variety of issues concerning minor political parties and independent candidates. If a particular article or discussion thread does not interest you or anyone else, don’t click it.

    Saying that IPR is becoming totally worthless is a rather absurd statement if one is interested in minor party and independent candidates, because it is still one of the top websites for this category of information.

  162. Jill Pyeatt

    IPR continues to prove why it is becoming totally worthless. See above.

    It’s comments like this that make me not want to donate more of my time here. So much for open discussion and natural curiosity about news events that don’t make sense.

  163. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt
    May 15, 2017 at 18:25
    ‘IPR continues to prove why it is becoming totally worthless. See above.’
    It’s comments like this that make me not want to donate more of my time here. So much for open discussion and natural curiosity about news events that don’t make sense.”

    This is the intention of such comments. There are millions of people surfing the internet. Lots of people visit websites and read articles and comments without posting comments themselves. If people are interested in reading something, they will, and if not, they won’t. If one does not like or is not interested in an article or comment thread, then don’t read it.

    There is plenty of news here at IPR for those interested in minor parties and independent candidates.

  164. Andy

    “Ad Hoc
    May 15, 2017 at 17:30
    Anyone would say the same thing, even you. Just to different proposed ‘debates.’ With or without an anonymizer. The only shame here, if there is any, is in helping to continue to perpetuate this thread at all. Instead of posting an ad hominem argument you should try becoming more persuasive. Or you can keep blaming everyone else for not following your links or setting up debates with you at conventions. Three guesses which path you take on that.”

    If anyone is interested in debating me on any subject, I am open to such a challenge. If there is something that I’m not interested in debating, or something where I don’t think that I know enough to participate in a debate over, then I don’t go around attacking people or arguing about such subjects. When it comes to politics, I am willing to defend any position I have taken in a debate.

    There are lots of threads that get bumped, and this thread is not even that old. I found a video that I had not seen before, and which I believe was only recently posted to YouTube, that related to this subject, that I thought was interesting enough to merit posting here, so I posted it. My posting that video link did not force anyone to watch the video, or to post anymore comments in this thread.

  165. paulie

    Andy: not sure why you are posting comments here but not answering either phone. I appear to have my chair left in your car. I would like to get that from you asap, in case I fall asleep early tonight, so that I can have it with me first thing in the morning if I get out early. I don’t know if I can do that or not but would like to have the option.

    George Phillies, and anyone else reading: If you have suggestions on what you think is wrong with IPR or what needs to be done differently, write Warren Redlich and copy me. If you make it clear that is your intent I will make sure the whole IPR list receives your suggestions and has a chance to discuss them. There is no guarantee that your suggestions will be implemented.

    Jill: Please do donate more time if you can. We need a more diverse group of people posting regularly. I realize that people are busy, but I am too. Also, I get tired of it sometimes. Seems to happen a lot, actually.

  166. paulie

    If anyone is interested in debating me on any subject, I am open to such a challenge.

    Robert Milnes wants to debate you about the Progressive-Libertarian Alliance Strategy, time travel, whether certain people who are supposed to be dead are actually being kept alive on secret bases in Israel, the Jewish question, and whether newscasters are watching him masturbate in front of his TV. Are you up to the challenge?

  167. Andy

    Who is planning to attend the Libertarian National Convention in New Orleans next year? I will likely attend (I was in Orlando, and I have been to every national convention since Denver in 2008, and I also attended the one in Anaheim in 2000). I am willing to debate anyone on any issue, be it false flag terrorism, or anything else, in person, and on video, in New Orleans. I will do this whether it is just me, or as part of a panel.

    I will probably be in Ohio in the not too distant future, so if Anthony cares to debate me in person, and have it put on video, and posted online, he’ll have that opportunity.

    I may be able to make it to New York sometime this year, so if Tony From Long Island would like to debate me in person, and have it put on video, and posted online, he’ll have that opportunity.

    I’m not going to go far out of my way to debate somebody in person, unless it is at an event I was planning to attend anyway (like an LP national convention), or unless somebody pays for my travel expenses, but if it is not terribly inconvenient, I am certainly willing to participate in public, in person debates.

  168. Andy

    “paulie
    May 15, 2017 at 19:25
    ‘If anyone is interested in debating me on any subject, I am open to such a challenge.’
    Robert Milnes wants to debate you about the Progressive-Libertarian Alliance Strategy, time travel, whether certain people who are supposed to be dead are actually being kept alive on secret bases in Israel, the Jewish question, and whether newscasters are watching him masturbate in front of his TV. Are you up to the challenge?”

    If I’m in New Jersey, or if Milnes shows up somewhere I’m at, sure, I’ll debate anyone when it comes to politics.

  169. Andy

    There are millions of people who don’t believe the official government story about 9/11. Lots of people also question these mass shootings that have happened over the last several years. These are not fringe issues. They have been, and are being used to push political agendas.

  170. paulie

    Nathan Norman wants to debate you about fracking Siberia, terraforming Mars, and various other subjects. He allegedly lives in Pennsylvania so maybe you can schedule a debate in Pennsylvania or Ohio sometime this summer, fall or winter.

  171. Andy

    If Nathan Norman has the balls to show up and debate me somewhere, and have it put on video and posted online, tell him to go for it.

    The same goes for anyone else.

  172. paulie

    Maybe you, him and Milnes could meet up in Camden sometime and do a panel discussion of various topics on youtube. Let me know if you can make that happen and I’ll post it as an article here the very next next April 1st.

    First debate for the presidential nomination race of 2020, perhaps?

  173. Tony From Long Island

    Andy: ” . . . .NONE OF THESE PEOPLE HAD THE BALLS TO SHOW UP, . . . ”

    Andy, once you have the Balls to show up on New Town Connecticut and debate them on whether Sandy Hook was a “hoax” then you might have the credibility to accuse others of having no balls.

    p.s. have you answered Paulie’s very simple questions on this matter yet?

  174. paulie

    It would be great to have Andy, Milnes and Norman stage the first presidential debate for the 2020 nomination at Sandy Hook, but that’s kind of far for Milnes; he managed to make it to the other side of the Philly metro area for a debate once but wasn’t sure if he could make it that far. Maybe if someone gave Milnes a ride we could make that happen.

  175. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    May 16, 2017 at 07:08
    Andy: ‘. . . .NONE OF THESE PEOPLE HAD THE BALLS TO SHOW UP, . . . ‘

    Andy, once you have the Balls to show up on New Town Connecticut and debate them on whether Sandy Hook was a ‘hoax’ then you might have the credibility to accuse others of having no balls.”

    What does this have to do with you and I getting together at an LP meeting, or some other venue, for a one-on-one, in person debate, which could put recorded, and posted to YouTube?

    I am not the only person who visits this site who has noticed that you don’t have much of anything interesting to say, and that you have done much more than attack me ever since you first started posting here.

    So since you think that you are more knowledgeable, logical, and philosophically pure than I am, why don’t you prove this by showing the world how much better you are in a one-on-one debate which can be posted to YouTube?

    Like I said before, I will probably be able to make it to the northeast later this year, and if so, I could travel to Long Island, and we can set up a debate to be held at a local LP meeting, or maybe some other group meeting.

    I saw online that the Ludwig von Mises Institute is going to be holding some kind of event in New York City in October. Maybe this would be a good time and place for us to debate.

    If not then and there, I’d imagine that there are plenty of other groups that are going to have meetings or conventions where we could have a debate.

    “p.s. have you answered Paulie’s very simple questions on this matter yet?”

    I have already answered questions, and I posted multiple links that contain lots of information that answer a lot of other questions.

    If I missed any questions, I would have to go back through this thread.

    Have the people who supposedly have questions bothered to examine all of the informative links that I posted above, or do you expect me to sit here all day spoon feeding you information because you are too lazy to do any of your own homework?

  176. paulie

    The ability to be a good debater and being right about something are two completely different things. The willingness to lend your apparent belief that no kids were killed that day credence by engaging you in a debate about is a third thing altogether, separate from both technical debating ability and the question of who may be right or wrong. No, you did not answer my questions, and I repeated the main thrust of them yesterday. No, I did not follow any links you posted in this thread, nor have you given me any reason to do so. Answering my questions would be a necessary but not necessarily sufficient condition of deciding it would be worth my time to do so. No, your links are not my “homework.” I did not sign up for any such class. If you want people to spend time following your links it is up to you to persuade them that it’s worth their time, not up to them to prove you wrong. There are plenty of subjects that have lots and lots of youtube videos posted about them which you would not want to spend your time watching either.

  177. Tony From Long Island

    Andy, speaking to you in person would be more of a waste of time than speaking to you via my keyboard.

    You don’t have to convince me that you are a nut bag. I already know that.

    You have to go to New Town Connecticut and show your “evidence” to them. Ask one of the parents of a murdered child if they are interested in your “evidence.”

    Andy:

    ” . . . I am not the only person who visits this site who has noticed that you don’t have much of anything interesting to say, and that you have done much more than attack me ever since you first started posting here. . . . ”

    I would suggest that you speak only for yourself. I attack you because you are sad excuse for a human being, lacking one iota of empathy, rational thought and a conscience.

    With others, I share my opinions in as a respectful manner as I can. I am not perfect. I do attack racists, though, but they are usually trolls anyway, not regular posters.

  178. Mary

    I’m appalled that a political party intending to be treated as reputable would lower itself to posting adolescent, obsessive conspiracy theories pushed by expert sensationalists bent on making a buck on the lecture circuit. In this case the horrificness is unfathomably stooping to attack the parents of murdered children and “questioning” that they were murdered. What kind of sick people would do this? My stomach turns looking at this. Halbig’s incessant self promotion is somewhat understandable as with any of the sorts of persons dependent on gaining attention on themselves to make a buck, but why would a credible political party swallow and promote the sensationalist, mean-spirited, false, hurtful, trashy gossip being peddled here? I will never be able to take this party seriously after this.

  179. paulie

    The Libertarian Party does not control this site.

    George

    It’s in the title “interviewed by Libertarian Party of Florida members”

    You can question the decision to repost here and it’s not accurate to extend this to the whole LP but this site did not originate this.

  180. Andy

    Mary
    July 10, 2017 at 18:29
    I’m appalled that a political party intending to be treated as reputable would lower itself to posting adolescent, obsessive conspiracy theories pushed by expert sensationalists bent on making a buck on the lecture circuit. In this case the horrificness is unfathomably stooping to attack the parents of murdered children and ‘questioning’ that they were murdered. What kind of sick people would do this?”

    I’m appalled that some idiot poster, probably posting under a fake name, would come on here and attack people who question official government stories, when it is a known fact that people in government routinely lie, and engage in false flag events in order to increase their power.

    If you have a problem with people questioning government, how about come out from hiding behind your computer screen and engage in a public debate on this issue?

  181. robert capozzi

    Hasn’t even Alex Jones backed off the Sandy Hook-as-false-flag story?

  182. robert capozzi

    gp,

    Actually, PF’s comment is simply a statement of fact. I sense no defensiveness about it. Defending the truth seems always appropriate to me.

    What about it seems defensive to you?

  183. Tony From Long Island

    Andy: ” . . . .If you have a problem with people questioning government, how about come out from hiding behind your computer screen and engage in a public debate on this issue? . . . ”

    Andy’s go-to line is to call someone a Troll and then challenge them to some “debate.” When asked very specific questions multiple times, he just touts the same old conspiracy nonsense.

    No decent and rational-thinking human being would waste 10 seconds of their life “debating” a nutbag conspiracy theorist such as yourself.

  184. paulie

    Being defensive, Paulie?

    Over what? IPR did not originate the video, and I did not repost it here. I’m not sure why you are blaming IPR for reposting what was already posted somewhere else. That’s called blaming the messenger. You can legitimately say that bringing this video more attention was not a good decision but it does fall within our guidelines for posting. You can just as easily say that you commenting on it is giving it more attention.

    I’m likewise not being defensive when I point out that the entire LP did not produce the video, just members of some local chapter in one county. Thus, it’s not accurate to blame either IPR or the entire LP for it. Those are all facts and I have nothing to be “defensive” for.

  185. Jill Pyeatt

    Hasn’t even Alex Jones backed off the Sandy Hook-as-false-flag story?

    Don’t you know the answer to that, Robert? You’re the only one here besides Andy who admits to listening to him.

    Many of the people in the Truth community consider Jones to be disinformation.

  186. Tony From Long Island

    As long as you don’t advocate violence! No need for the hook. A chair in the center of the room would work just fine 🙂 Their words would hurt enough . . . well they would hurt someone with a soul . . . Not sure Andy has one.

  187. Andy

    Notice how these posters we have never seen or heard of here, first “Mary,” and now “Morgan Brykein,” both probably posting under fake names, pop up with the fake outrage canned narrative that is always repeated in these type of threads regardless of the message forum, that daring to question an official government story is some terrible thing, and trying to get to the answers to the many unanswered questions and holes in the official government story is somehow insulting the alleged victims?

    It has already been documented as a fact that there are paid government trolls online, and that these trolls attack people who speak out against the government, and particularly those who question official government stories. I know that at least one government troll was already outted while attacking those who question the official Sandy Hook story, and it turned out that this troll traced back to the CIA.

    If anyone out there wants to debate this topic, come out from hiding, and let’s set something up for a public forum, which can be put on video and posted online.

  188. paulie

    Morgan Brykein used to post articles at IPR quite a few years ago. Has not been heard from in these parts in a while. I believe it was a pseudonym. Dunno if it is the same person or not. I don’t know why you assume Mary is a fake name. I haven’t checked as to whether either of them used VPN.

  189. Andy

    “paulie
    July 11, 2017 at 13:46
    Morgan Brykein used to post articles at IPR quite a few years ago. Has not been heard from in these parts in a while. I believe it was a pseudonym. Dunno if it is the same person or not. I don’t know why you assume Mary is a fake name. I haven’t checked as to whether either of them used VPN.”

    Interesting. Whoever the person or people who have been trolling at IPR over the years are, they have access to the IPR dashboard. which means there is a good chance that they were signed up here as writers, or they signed up here during the brief period of time when IPR required posters to sign in to post.

    I don’t know who Morgan Brykein is, nor do I know if that was really the Morgan Brykein that used to post here (there have been multiple instances of trolls here at IPR falsely posting things under the names of real people), nor do I know who Mary is, but regardless of any of this, my overall point remains the same.

    It is perfectly healthy to question stories from those in government, particularly when it is a known fact that people in government lie and engage in conspiracies (which is defined as two or more people plotting to commit a crime) on a regular basis. There are lots of unanswered questions and holes in the official government story about Sandy Hook. There is plenty of material posted in this thread that casts reasonable doubt about the official government story about this incident, and I, and others like me, are going to continue asking questions and investigating this issue, as well as others like it.

  190. Tony From Long Island

    Paulie (to Andy) ” . . . . I don’t know why you assume Mary is a fake name. . . . ”

    Paulie, he thinks everyone who disagrees with him or calls him out on his crap is a government troll using a fake name.

  191. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    July 11, 2017 at 15:03
    ‘Paulie (to Andy) ; . . . . I don’t know why you assume Mary is a fake name. . . . ‘

    Paulie, he thinks everyone who disagrees with him or calls him out on his crap is a government troll using a fake name.”

    I never said such a thing. This is a gross exaggeration.

  192. Luke

    I don’t think it’s a gross exaggeration at all. Or even any kind of exaggeration. You accuse people of being government trolls left and right.

  193. NewFederalist

    “Serious question, what moron promoted him to be allowed to post articles and why has that not been rescinded yet?” – Morgan Brykein

    The very same moron who didn’t train him on how to edit his own posts!

  194. Andy

    Just in case anyone has not been paying attention here at IPR over the years, this site has been attacked by trolls posting under fake names and IP anonymizers on numerous occasions, and when you factor this in with a lot of the other weird stuff that has happened, and you also factor in that it is a known fact that government entities do in fact pay people to troll online, it is not an unreasonable accusation to make at all.

    Having said this, I do not think that everyone who disagrees with me about anything is a government troll. My suspicion of a poster being a government troll does increase when a poster pops up that nobody knows, and/or whose identity can’t be verified, and especially if they are using an IP anonymizer, and if they appear to be reciting government propaganda talking points and smear tactics, and even more so if they avoid any challenges I put forth to engage in an in person debate (to be put on video and posted online).

  195. William Saturn

    I don’t know “Morgan Brykein” but if we’re going to ban people for words we should start with “Morgan” for her comment above advocating force and violence against Andy for questioning the official government/establishment narrative.

  196. langa

    If “Morgan Brykein” ever posted articles here, it must have been for a very short time, and only a very small number of articles, because I have been reading this site on a fairly regular basis right from the beginning, and I don’t remember ever seeing that name on IPR.

  197. langa

    Hmm, that’s very strange. Either I took a much longer break from IPR than I remember, or I am developing early Alzheimer’s.

  198. Tony From Long Island

    Andy again proving his sickness by posting youtube nonsense. . . . . Seems like a recurring story

  199. Jill Pyeatt

    he is clearly making an affirmative case that no children died and the school had been closed for years, which is just plain nuts.

    The mainstream media and those in the government lie to us ALL THE TIME, all day, every day.(The shameful exposes about CNN the past 10 days or so are an excellent real-time example). Personally, I think not questioning and trying to learn about events yourself is not only prudent, but necessary for survival.

    There are several very strange things about the official Sandy Hook story that no one has answered in a manner consistent with the rest of the story. Personally, I choose to keep asking.

    I agree with William that someone showing up here after years, advocating extreme violence against a participant at IPR, would be my choice to block before Andy.

  200. paulie

    There are several very strange things about the official Sandy Hook story that no one has answered in a manner consistent with the rest of the story. Personally, I choose to keep asking.

    As probably mentioned way above, it depends on what you mean by that. I am open to speculation that Lanza may not have been the only shooter or even that he wasn’t the shooter at all. I find it far less plausible that no children died or especially that the school had been closed for years. Anyone coming up with a plot like that would have no way of knowing how many people from how many different places would have gone by that school in those years, to take one obvious example. The children and/or their families would have come in contact with a lot of people, who would have known if those families had children or not.

    I agree with William that someone showing up here after years, advocating extreme violence against a participant at IPR, would be my choice to block before Andy.

    I’m not blocking either of them, although I don’t even know if this “Morgan Brykein” is the same one that was here years ago or not. My vague recollection is that it is a name taken from a work of fiction of some sort. I am the “moron” Brykein 2.0 refers to who promoted Andy to be able to post stories, and as far as I see his articles are still within IPR guidelines. I don’t know if “lecture” was used as a euphemism for violence, but “soundproof room” and “hanging by a hook” provide clues that it may have been.

  201. Andy

    “paulie
    July 12, 2017 at 11:16
    ‘There are several very strange things about the official Sandy Hook story that no one has answered in a manner consistent with the rest of the story. Personally, I choose to keep asking.’
    As probably mentioned way above, it depends on what you mean by that. I am open to speculation that Lanza may not have been the only shooter or even that he wasn’t the shooter at all. I find it far less plausible that no children died or especially that the school had been closed for years. Anyone coming up with a plot like that would have no way of knowing how many people from how many different places would have gone by that school in those years, to take one obvious example. The children and/or their families would have come in contact with a lot of people, who would have known if those families had children or not.”

    The families of the alleged victims had not been living in the town that long. They government recruited people for a long time planned out psyop. They set these things up years in advance. Just like 9/11.

    The families of the alleged victims have since received millions of dollars (and even prior to the incident, tax records indicate that all of their houses were paid off). There are people murdered every day whose families receive nothing.

    Also, what are the odds of so many people connected with this having backgrounds as actors? If this happened in the Los Angeles, California area, which is a huge hotbed for the entertainment industry, lots of people being connected with this having backgrounds in acting may not be so unusual, however, Sandy Hook/Newtown, Connecticut is hardly a hotbed for acting.

    No footage of dead bodies has ever been show. No video surveillance footage has been shown (much like video footage of that plane supposedly hitting the Pentagon was suppressed, as the few frames the Pentagon released years later did not prove that a plane hit the building, and don’t forget that the Pentagon has video surveillance cameras all over the place, so they should have plenty of footage, and also don’t forget that the FBI went around confiscating video camera footage from nearby gas stations, hotels, and traffic cameras, on 9/11/01, and this footage has NEVER been released to the public). The school was torn down not too long after the incident, and BEFORE a real investigation could be done (much like on 9/11, the wreckage from the WTC was hauled away and put on ships and sold for scrap BEFORE a real investigation could be done, something which a big firefighting magazine thought was an outrage at the time). No evidence has ever been shown that there were over 600 kids in the school that day.

    Government agencies like FEMA, DHS, CIA, FBI, etc…, have billions of dollars at their disposal. They often operate in secrecy. You’d be surprised what powerful government agencies with massive budgets, and that operate with little to no transparency or accountability, can do.

  202. paulie

    No, I wouldn’t. I am actually pretty familiar with their capabilities and limitations. And my points still stand.

  203. Andy

    Why were people present at the Sandy Hook Elementary School that day wearing color coded badges, that look just like the badges that the FEMA drill handbook says should be worn during exercises/drills? Who handed out these badges? Why was their a lit up sign that says, “EVERYONE MUST CHECK IN.” which is something else straight out of the FEMA exercise/drill handbook? Who put the sign there, and where is the check in book?

    Who ordered the port-a-potties? When were the port-a-potties ordered, and where is the receipt for this order? Who delivered the port-a-potties, and when were they delivered?

    Who ordered big stacks of bottled water? When and where were the bottled waters purchased, who purchased them, who delivered them, and when were they delivered?

    Note that having port-a-potties and refreshments is also straight out of the FEMA exercise/drill handbook.

    Does anyone here believe that if this was not a staged “fake news” event, that anyone would be going around handing out color coded badges, asking people to sign in, and ordering port-a-potties and stacks of bottled water? If this had been a real school shooting, people would be FREAKING OUT. There were supposedly something like 600 plus kids enrolled in this school. Where are the pictures or video footage of hundreds of kids running out of the school? Where are all of the parents of these 600 plus kids? If this had been for real, are you telling me that there would not have been lots of parents of the 600 plus kids that were supposedly enrolled in this school rushing to get there to see if their kids were OK?

    Everyone reading this needs to watch this video.

    FEMA Badges Sandy Hook Hoax

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG4izzislyc

  204. Tony From Long Island

    Andy:

    Everyone reading this needs to watch this video.

    Andy, no one watches the videos you link. Your sickness is getting worse. You are obsessed with the sick twisted fantasy in your head.

    Serious psyche meds are in the offering. Thorazine might do the trick.

  205. Tony From Long Island

    Andy

    Who ordered the port-a-potties? When were the port-a-potties ordered, and where is the receipt for this order? Who delivered the port-a-potties, and when were they delivered?

    Who ordered big stacks of bottled water? When and where were the bottled waters purchased, who purchased them, who delivered them, and when were they delivered?

    Are you frickin serious? Bottled Water? You want to see a receipt for the port-a-potties? Do want to visually inspect them too for signs on blood in their stool?

    You are truly a sick bastard. Words can not adequately describe how truly repulsive you are.

    No footage of dead bodies has ever been show

    where was your “should be ‘shown’ post? Only a person with no soul would want to see the dead bodies of children.

    Do you have any constructive hobbies? Knitting might calm your mind. Maybe doing crosswords . . .

  206. dL

    I’m not blocking either of them, although I don’t even know if this “Morgan Brykein” is the same one that was here years ago or not.

    No. I just went back and checked. It’s not the same identity. Thus, the “Morgan Brykein” comments have accordingly been deleted on the grounds of being impersonation spam.

  207. Andy

    “dL
    July 12, 2017 at 15:33
    ‘I’m not blocking either of them, although I don’t even know if this “Morgan Brykein” is the same one that was here years ago or not.’
    No. I just went back and checked. It’s not the same identity. Thus, the “Morgan Brykein” comments have accordingly been deleted on the grounds of being impersonation spam.”

    Another troll post. Well surprise, surprise….NOT!

  208. paulie

    Seems inconclusive. Same name, same email address. Bryken 1.0 did not use VPN, Brykein 2.0 did. It may have been impersonation or it may have been that in the years since Brykein started using VPN for privacy reasons (which ironically dL gave some good reasons for in other threads). Is there any way besides IP, which is not conclusive in any way, that we can tell that it was impersonation?

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