74 thoughts on “John McAfee Physically Attacked

  1. Tony From Long Island

    Why is anything from INFO WARS on here?? Why are we allowing him to post stuff like this?

    If Mr. McAfee was actually physically attacked, write an actual article which cites credible sources. Simply posting a video of INFO WARS? I don’t think so . . .

    I actually clicked on it hoping to read more about the circumstances. When I noticed it was just a link to a conspiracy show and then saw who posted it . . . . .

  2. dL

  3. Tony From Long Island

    So according to his tweet, he WASN’T attacked? You mean info wars was incorrect? Shocking.

  4. Dave

    Having difficultly fully removing his antivirus that came prepackaged with my computer I understand the potential motive. :p

    No, in all seriousness glad to hear he’s well enough to tweet.

  5. Andy

    Infowars is one of the best alternative, independent media sources out there. Alex Jones should be commended for building Infowars up to what it is today, being that he started as a public access show in Austin, Texas, with no money. He’s a classic “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” kind of guy.

    Before I found this Infowars video, I saw several other news articles from various sources on this same story. None of them had anymore details than the Infowars video. I decided to post the video because videos are easier to post than articles.

    The remark from John McAfee about his wife on Twitter had to do with her making comments about whoever attacked him not finishing him off, and that McAfee was still alive and that he was going to find out who they were.

    Hopefully Mr. McAfee will make it through this situation OK.

  6. Tony From Long Island

    Andy

    Infowars is one of the best alternative, independent media sources out there.

    This is all you need to know about Andy.

  7. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    July 27, 2017 at 14:48
    ‘Andy

    Infowars is one of the best alternative, independent media sources out there.’
    This is all you need to know about Andy.”

    It is also all you need to know about Tony, in that he’s a closed minded fellow who does not back up any of his assertions with actual facts.

  8. Tony From Long Island

    Closed minded? As soon as I learned from Alex jones that juice boxes are making our children gay, yeah . . I closed my mind fast.

  9. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    July 27, 2017 at 15:26
    Closed minded? As soon as I learned from Alex jones that juice boxes are making our children gay, yeah . . I closed my mind fast.”

    He was talking about chemicals found in products having a gender-bending effect.

    INFOWARS PROVEN RIGHT ABOUT GAY FROGS
    Gay frog hysteria brings attention to gender-bending chemicals
    The Alex Jones Show – JULY 3, 2017

    https://www.infowars.com/infowars-proven-right-about-gay-frogs/

  10. Aiden James

    Andy needs to be thrown in a psych ward right along with Jones and Trump; and every US politician and government bureaucrat.

  11. Andy

    I’ve been following Alex Jones (on and off, it is not like I follow every day) since October of 2001. I think that he does a great job of getting information out to people, and that in spite of all of the obstacles against him (note that he has been kicked off of multiple radio stations, especially right after 9/11/01, and pressured to not talk about certain things). He’s been smeared by the mainstream media, and he’s even received death threats. He started out in his early 20’s, with basically no money, on public access TV, and he was able to parlay that into a radio gig, which after gaining some popularity on air, he got fired from because he refused to stop talking about the New World Order. He continued onward, getting deals with independent radio stations, and being on shortwave radio. He started making video documentaries, which he made on a shoe string budget, like, “America: Wake Up or Waco,” and “America: Destroyed By Design”. He launched his website, http://www.Infowars.com, and he has grown his operation into being one of the largest independent media groups out there.

    A lot of the stories that Infowars reports are stories that come from other media sources, many of which are actually mainstream. They are stories that got reported, but did not receive much coverage. I met independent journalist/researcher/author, Jim Marrs several years ago (I went to see him speak at an event in California, and I spoke to him after the event was over), and he said that the people who run the mainstream media can’t control what every reporter does, but they can control the distribution of a story (they can also put a spin on stories that causes people to not see the truth), and that there are important stories that get reported, but that get buried, so hardly anybody hears about them. Alex Jones and the rest of the Infowars crew give these stories more publicity. Alex Jones and his crew have broken original stories as well.

    I’d say that Alex Jones and co. have a very good track record. Have they ever gotten anything wrong? Sure, it has happened here and there, but if they get something wrong they usually come back with a retraction.

    I’d take Alex Jones and his crew over the mainstream, or “lamestream” (to borrow a phrase from Ernest Hancock) media any day.

    I don’t really agree with Alex Jones with the whole Trump thing, but keep in mind that this is the first time that he’s ever backed a mainstream political candidate, and also keep in mind that Jones and his crew have still made critical comments about the Trump administration (they recently put out some scathing reports about Jeff Sessions and civil asset forfeiture). I think that Alex is playing the try to influence whom he perceives to be the “lesser of two evils” game. Alex has despised the Clintons since back in the early 1990’s when he was starting out, so he thought that Hillary Clinton had to be stopped. The Libertarian Party screwed up by nominating the Johnson/Weld ticket, and there were really no other viable alternatives who were on enough state ballots to impact the election. Trump had the appearance of being “anti-establishment” and a “maverick” and there did appear to be an effort from some within “the system” to beat him. There was really a bad assortment of choices in this past election, and Jones is not the only liberty movement/alternative media movement to back Trump. I don’t really agree with this decision, but I can see why some people did it.

    Hopefully by the time 2020 comes around, there will be some better, and stronger, choices from “third party” and/or independent presidential candidates. I am hoping that the Libertarian Party can finally get its shit together and pull its collective head out of its ass by the 2020 national convention.

  12. Andy

    “Aiden James
    July 27, 2017 at 16:02
    Andy needs to be thrown in a psych ward right along with Jones and Trump; and every US politician and government bureaucrat.”

    Is this another fake name and IP anonymizer poster? It would not surprise me if it is.

  13. Ad Hoc

    “Andy wrote:

    […]
    TL;DR”

    In other news, from our vantage point on the surface of the Earth, the sun once again appeared to have risen in the East and set in the West.

    “INFOWARS PROVEN RIGHT ABOUT GAY FROGS
    Gay frog hysteria brings attention to gender-bending chemicals
    The Alex Jones Show – JULY 3, 2017

    https://www.infowars.com/infowars-proven-right-about-gay-frogs/

    ROFL! Infowars says that Infowars was proven right about gay frogs, therefore you should believe them. Brilliant! You can’t make this stuff up. Well, Jones probably could….

  14. Andy

    No, Infowars reporters reported that more scientific researchers have said something is correct which they had previously reported.

    Alex Jones has been attacked for reporting multiple stories over the years, long before most news outlets reported them. He was talking about NSA spying long before the Edward Snowden revelations proved him to have been correct. Etc…

  15. Ad Hoc

    “No, Infowars reporters reported that more scientific researchers have said something is correct which they had previously reported.”

    Which means nothing to anyone who does not consider Infowars to be a credible source because it is once again Infowars reporting that. It’s what’s known as a closed loop.

  16. Tony From Long Island

    Andy, are you seriously using a link from INFO WARS to prove that INFO WARS was right? How do you have privileges to post articles here? You need to have at least a shred of credibility – which you don’t.

  17. Andy

    “Ad Hoc
    July 27, 2017 at 20:50
    ‘No, Infowars reporters reported that more scientific researchers have said something is correct which they had previously reported.’

    Which means nothing to anyone who does not consider Infowars to be a credible source because it is once again Infowars reporting that. It’s what’s known as a closed loop.”

    These are very small minded people. A lot of the content on Infowars comes from OTHER NEWS SOURCES, INCLUDING MAINSTREAM MEDIA SOURCES THAT WERE UNDER-REPORTED, that is stories that some mainstream media source did report, but which did not get much publicity.

    Like I said above, Jim Marrs said that the people who control the media can’t control what every reporter does, but then can control the distribution of stories, and the manner in which stories get reported. They can bury stories, and they can spin stories.

    Infowars.com also does original stories, and their reporting is quite good, and they have done original stories that have been picked up by other media groups.

    Given the amount of content that Infowars has put out over the years, which is a heck of a lot, in both original reporting, and in re-posting stories from other sources, I’d say that they’ve done a great job.

    Alex Jones started Infowars as a one man operation, while he was in his early 20’s, and with no money. Building Infowars into one of the top independent, alternative news operations out there is a pretty big accomplishment.

    Those who say something like, “Well Alex Jones is just in it for the money.” are pretty shortsighted. If he was just out for money, he could have become a Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/Glenn Beck type back in 1990’s, and he’d have a hell of a lot more money right now. Rush Limbaugh’s net worth is $550 million. Sean Hannity is worth $80 million. Glenn Beck is worth $250 million. Sure, Alex Jones is now worth $10 million, which is rich, but the amount of money that he has is chump change compared to what the big mainstream media talking heads/shills make. There is nothing wrong with making money in and of itself. It is really bizarre to hear anyone who claims to believe in liberty criticize somebody for making money, particularly somebody who is exposing government corruption and promoting liberty issues, and who is voluntarily exchanging in the market place. Back before watching videos online became feasible, Alex Jones ENCOURAGED people to bootleg his films and give them out to people and to have public viewings of them, so long as they did not profit off of them (and if anybody did profit from them, I never heard about him going after anybody for it).

  18. Andy

    This thread is supposed to be about John McAfee. When I found an article about this, I did a quick search for other articles and videos, and this was the first video I found about this, which is why I posted it.

    I wish John McAfee a speedy recovery.

  19. paulie

    Andy @ 0743- TL; DR but you do seriously need to stop the all-caps bullshit. I will start deleting any further comments with all-caps very soon. Learn a few HTML tags, it is not hard.

  20. paulie

    I wish John McAfee a speedy recovery.

    Same here.

    As far as I know we have no rule against posting Infowars reports and have posted some stuff from them before, even prior to Andy being signed up to post articles.

  21. Tony From Long Island

    Anyone see John Oliver’s nice little piece about Andy’s friend Alex Jones? Made me chuckle, but far from Oliver’s best work.

  22. paulie

    Anyone see John Oliver’s nice little piece about Andy’s friend Alex Jones?

    Thanks for the heads up. Really hits the nail on the head….

  23. Andy

    Alex Jones started with nothing and no help, and built what is now one of the largest, and best, independent alternative media operations out there.

    What has Tony From Long Island done with his life?

  24. dL

    Of course…the cultural war throws a monkey wrench into the political “marketplace of ideas” concept, often incentivizing the worst ideas into best sellers.

  25. Andy

    “paulie
    August 2, 2017 at 08:56
    Final warning: comments containing all-caps will be deleted.”

    Idiotic. The all caps was a cut and paste from the title of the video title, as in the title of it was in all capital letters.

    Do capital letters somehow damage people? Who is being victimized by capital letters? Absurd.

  26. langa

    Do capital letters somehow damage people? Who is being victimized by capital letters? Absurd.

    I agree with Andy on this. I’ve never understood the big deal about all caps. Yes, I know, it’s considered poor etiquette, but so are lots of other things, and people generally don’t freak out about those things.

    The hypersensitivity about all caps reminds me of some women’s hypersensitivity about men who leave the toilet seat up. It’s just making a mountain out of a mole hill. (Ironically, I have never left the toilet seat up. In fact, even though I’m a man who lives alone, I always put it down, owing to a mild case of OCD. However, I still find it baffling that some people get so upset about it.)

  27. Andy

    Also, having a comedian make fun of somebody, particularly one who is a public figure, does not necessarily discredit everything a person has said or done. The piece from John Oliver, while humorous, lacked in area of substance.

    So Alex Jones sell stuff on his website? So what? He’s not getting funding from the government or the mainstream media, or from the big corporations or unions, or the big foundations. What is wrong with somebody earning money? How is he supposed to fund his operation without money? If people like the products, they will order them. He’s not forcing anyone to give him money.

    The fact that anyone in the mainstream is even talking about Alex Jones at all is a sign of his success. He started out in his early 20’s doing public access TV in Austin, Texas. His public access show developed a following, and he got hired by a local radio station. He developed a following on that, until he was fired for being too controversial. He rebounded from that by getting picked up by other small radio stations, and being on shortwave radio, and with his website. After 9/11 happened, and he called it an inside job, he got dropped from a bunch more radio stations. He persevered, and after being largely ignored by the mainstream media for years, he finally got so big that they can’t ignore him anymore, so they attack him.

    This reminds me of that Ghadi quote, “First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you, Then they attack you. Then you win.”

  28. Andy

    When you consider how corrupt, and how controlled, the mainstream media is in this country, getting smeared by them is not necessarily a bad sign about the person being smeared. If anything, it is probably a sign that the person being smeared is in the right.

    Alex Jones vs The Mainstream Media – Documentary 2015

  29. paulie

    I agree with Andy on this. I’ve never understood the big deal about all caps. Yes, I know, it’s considered poor etiquette, but so are lots of other things, and people generally don’t freak out about those things.

    I am not interested in arguing about it. It is considered yelling and generally not acceptable anywhere online as has been the case for decades. We have never tolerated it before and allowing it now would just cause the disease to spread. We already discussed it on the IPR email list and except for William Saturn it was unanimous. There’s no reason anyone can’t use asterisks or italics (it’s easy enough to learn how to do italics, but if anyone is unwilling to learn, use asterisks) for emphasis. If it is cut and paste just rewrite it without all-caps, it is not that hard.

  30. paulie

    What is wrong with somebody earning money? How is he supposed to fund his operation without money?

    If you watched the piece Oliver does address that.

  31. langa

    We already discussed it on the IPR email list and except for William Saturn it was unanimous.

    Sounds like WS is the only one without his head up his ass.

    Seriously, who is harmed by reading all-caps, and why can’t they simply stop reading as soon as they see the all-caps? That way, those of us who don’t have some irrational “cap-o-phobia” can read the comment.

  32. Andy

    #1) I was never included in this email discussion.

    #2) A pure democratic vote (which I would question, since not all posters/writers were included), does not mean that the outcome of such vote was rational.

    #3) Nobody is damaged by using upper case, or lower case, type. Will there also be a ban on typing in all lower case? langa posts his screen name without using an upper case “L”, so when he posts his screen name, should he be chided for using all lower case letters?

    #4) When people are giving speeches, and having conversations, the volume and tone of their voice changes. This is actually the mark of a good public speaker. Speakers who speak in one volume, that is low, are generally considered to be boring and monotone. Typing in all capital letters can represent shouting, or increasing volume, or trying to stress a specific point. This is not only a useful tool, it is also something that happens in the real world when people speak and engage in conversation.

    #5) The post above in question, where Alex Jones responds to John Oliver, if you click the link to the article/video, you will see that Infowars posted the title in all capital letters, and I merely cut and pasted it, thus keeping inline with the source of the article.

    It will be a shame if IPR succumbs to such ninny like arbitrary whims.

  33. Andy

    I agree with langa. I do not care if somebody types in all caps or in all lower case, or in any combination of such. This has no bearing on whether or not I read an article or comment. If an article or comment does not interest me, or if I do not have time for it, I skip it.

  34. NewFederalist

    “It will be a shame if IPR succumbs to such ninny like arbitrary whims.”- Andy

    Sounds like a conspiracy to me! 😉

  35. paulie

    It’s not a debate. I am just letting you know what the policy is. Now that you know, you can either follow it or not. You know what will happen if you don’t. That is all.

  36. langa

    It’s not a debate.

    It’s no wonder you aren’t interested in debating the issue, given that you apparently can’t muster even a single argument in favor of your nonsensical position. If, for some bizarre reason, I were to adopt such an indefensible position, I would probably be scared to debate it, too.

    By the way, is IPR going to carry this position to the logical extreme, and start implementing safe spaces, trigger warnings, and all the other silencing tactics used by authoritarian control freaks? Or just this one?

  37. George Phillies

    Paulie,

    Your position sounds pretty sensible to me.

    I tried contacting John McAfee to see what this issue was, in more detail, and have not heard from him.

    George

  38. dL

    It’s no wonder you aren’t interested in debating the issue, given that you apparently can’t muster even a single argument in favor of your nonsensical position. If, for some bizarre reason, I were to adopt such an indefensible position, I would probably be scared to debate it, too.

    It’s not arbitrary. It’s common netiquette.

    By the way, is IPR going to carry this position to the logical extreme, and start implementing safe spaces, trigger warnings, and all the other silencing tactics used by authoritarian control freaks? Or just this one?

    The logical outcome of netiquette observance==North Korean state censorship

    probably makes the case for reddit style tagging. You know, something like Inadvertent Sarcasm Alert

  39. Andy

    “paulie
    August 2, 2017 at 21:38
    It’s not a debate. I am just letting you know what the policy is. Now that you know, you can either follow it or not. You know what will happen if you don’t. That is all.”

    This is pure idiocy. Oh, the big bad capital letters are going to get you.

    How about posting the conversation that took place so we can all see the great intellectual, well reason, logical arguments in favor of being scared of capital letters?

    When has the size of letters in posts ever been a problem here anyway? Out of the tens of thousands of posts here, how many posts have been in all caps anyway? Not too many. I’d wager that it is a very small percentage of the overall number of posts here.

    Really, I do not respect people who engage in such an irrational, pathetic act of cowardice. “Oh, I’m afraid of big, bad, scary capital letters. Somebody protect me from capital letters. The capital letters are going to get me. Oh no, this is terrible. I saw a capital letter. Somebody, please ban these scary capital letters.”

    So list the names of each person, and how each person voted, and also post the minutes from this vote, as in the great, intellectual discussion that went into banning those big, bad, scary upper case letters.

  40. Andy

    “langa
    August 2, 2017 at 22:18
    ‘It’s not a debate.’

    It’s no wonder you aren’t interested in debating the issue, given that you apparently can’t muster even a single argument in favor of your nonsensical position. If, for some bizarre reason, I were to adopt such an indefensible position, I would probably be scared to debate it, too.”

    Exactly, langa. Maybe the next thing that will be banned, is posting in all small letters, so you’d better do something about your screen name.

    “By the way, is IPR going to carry this position to the logical extreme, and start implementing safe spaces, trigger warnings, and all the other silencing tactics used by authoritarian control freaks? Or just this one?”

    Sure, this site is going downhill. It used to be a great place for political talk,

  41. Andy

    This reminds me of how government legislative bodies (Congress, state legislatures, county commissions/boards, city/town councils/board) will sit around with nothing better to do and just come up with stupid laws, only this is actually worse, since it was done in secret.

    So a secret vote was held, to address something that no rational person would even consider to be a problem.

    Out of the tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of posts that have been at IPR (Oh no, the abbreviation for Independent Political Report is in all capital letters. Oh my gosh! I need to go to my safe space now. I’m a special snowflake who gets scared when I see all capital letters! Someone, save me from those scary capital letters. Let’s call a secret meeting, and ban the abbreviation of Independent Political Report, because I get scared if I see three capital letters in a row.), how many have actually been in all capital letters, or had any words of sentences or phrases that were in all capital letters?

    Can somebody make a rational case for how this was ever a problem, or why it should even be considered to be a problem?

    I have posted on numerous message boards/blogs/forums/groups over the last 20 years, and I have never heard of anyone banning words/phrases/sentences in capital letters. This is one of the stupidest things of which I’ve ever heard of on any website where people can post messages.

    Perhaps it is time to change the name of this website to Independent Irrational Crybaby Report, or maybe Independent Safe Space For Triggered Snowflakes Report.

  42. langa

    It’s not arbitrary. It’s common netiquette.

    “Etiquette” comes in two flavors. The first is the kind that actually makes sense. For example, the idea that you shouldn’t interrupt people in the middle of a sentence, or you shouldn’t talk with your mouth full. Those things make communication more difficult, so it makes sense to ask people to refrain from them.

    The other kind of etiquette makes no sense. For example, the idea that you shouldn’t put your elbows on the table, or that you have to use a different fork for your salad than for the main course. Those rules don’t accomplish anything, other than empowering control freaks.

    The all-caps thing is clearly an example of the latter type of etiquette. Again, I’ll ask, if reading comments in all-caps bothers you so much, why don’t you just ignore them, instead of deleting them? That way, normal people, who don’t suffer from cap-o-phobia, won’t be prevented from reading them. Who is forcing anyone to read anything that bothers them?

  43. Andy

    “langa
    August 3, 2017 at 03:01
    ‘It’s not arbitrary. It’s common netiquette.’

    ‘Etiquette’ comes in two flavors. The first is the kind that actually makes sense. For example, the idea that you shouldn’t interrupt people in the middle of a sentence, or you shouldn’t talk with your mouth full. Those things make communication more difficult, so it makes sense to ask people to refrain from them.

    The other kind of etiquette makes no sense. For example, the idea that you shouldn’t put your elbows on the table, or that you have to use a different fork for your salad than for the main course. Those rules don’t accomplish anything, other than empowering control freaks.”

    langa just hit the nail on the head.

    This is irrational crybaby bullshit.

  44. Andy

    langa said: “Again, I’ll ask, if reading comments in all-caps bothers you so much, why don’t you just ignore them, instead of deleting them? That way, normal people, who don’t suffer from cap-o-phobia, won’t be prevented from reading them. Who is forcing anyone to read anything that bothers them?”

    Why would any rational person care whether letters are in upper case or lower case?

    If upper case letters represent yelling, or talking louder, so what? People go to political conventions, and they debate, and sometimes debates get heated, and voices get raised. It has happened at every LP convention I have ever attended. Sometimes during speeches, the speaker will raise their voice, and the audience will cheer.

    Should the LP pass a new by-law banning loud speech at conventions, and saying that everyone who gives a speech at a convention has to speak softly? If this were to happen, the conventions would be pretty damn boring, and sometimes they can be boring as it is. The parts of the conventions when people shout/get louder, are generally the more exciting parts of the conventions.

  45. Andy

    langa said: “The other kind of etiquette makes no sense. For example, the idea that you shouldn’t put your elbows on the table, or that you have to use a different fork for your salad than for the main course. Those rules don’t accomplish anything, other than empowering control freaks.”

    Another one is take your hat off in a building. What the fuck difference does it make if somebody wears a hat while inside a building? Why would anyone give a rat’s ass whether or not somebody wears a hat while they are inside a building?

  46. dL

    As a reminder, the special snowflakes are the ones who compose 7 consecutive posts to whine about social conventions started and enforced by geeks & hackers 30+ years ago on BBS, usenet and IRC.

  47. Thomas L. Knapp

    “This is irrational crybaby bullshit.”

    Thanks for that stab at truth in advertising. I trust it will be the footer/signature to all your future comments as well?

  48. langa

    Still waiting for someone to explain who is being forced to read comments in all-caps. If they bother you that much, the solution is very simple. As soon as you catch a glimpse of the dreaded all-caps, simply scroll down past that comment. Voila, problem solved. It’s really easy to do.

  49. Andy

    “langa
    August 3, 2017 at 04:25
    Still waiting for someone to explain who is being forced to read comments in all-caps. If they bother you that much, the solution is very simple. As soon as you catch a glimpse of the dreaded all-caps, simply scroll down past that comment. Voila, problem solved. It’s really easy to do.”

    Two more questions:

    1) How is anyone damaged by capital letters?

    I walked by the front desk of the motel I am at, and I noticed that they had a No Smoking sign in all capital letters. Should I complain to the front desk that I am offended by the capital letters, and demand that they take that sign down and replace it with a sign that has lower case letters?

    2) What percent of posts at Independent Political Report over the years have even contained words that were in all capital letters? I bet that it is a small fraction of the total number of posts here.

  50. wolfefan

    Hi langa – I’m still waiting for someone to explain why asking people to disengage the caps lock key is such a hassle. For all the people bitching at Pauiie, it’s not his policy. Take it up with Warren – it’s his site and he sets the rules.

  51. paulie

    It’s no wonder you aren’t interested in debating the issue, given that you apparently can’t muster even a single argument in favor of your nonsensical position. If, for some bizarre reason, I were to adopt such an indefensible position, I would probably be scared to debate it, too.

    I’m fully capable of debating it and already spent far more than enough time doing so on the email list. I’m not interested in debating it anymore, just informing Andy what the policy is. It’s shouldn’t even have to be a policy, as it is something that anyone who has been online for years should already know. And just in case they don’t know it, a simple request should be enough. But when repeated requests followed by repeated warnings go nowhere we get a policy. And that is far more than I should have ever had to say about it.

  52. paulie

    I tried contacting John McAfee to see what this issue was, in more detail, and have not heard from him.

    From a video posted somewhere far above, before two people spent half the night or more responding to each other and themselves complaining about simple rules that should not even have to be made to begin with, it seems that he believes that operatives of the Belizean government in cahoots with drug smuggling cartels were behind the attack. He had some kind of operation or medical procedure and at least one point was feeling significantly better (probably still is, but I have not checked). That is the sum total of what I know about it.

  53. Tony From Long Island

    Andy

    Alex Jones started with nothing and no help, and built what is now one of the largest, and best, independent alternative media operations out there.

    What has Tony From Long Island done with his life?

    Not that this has anything to do with this thread but. I have sung at both Lincoln Center and Carnegie Hall. I have also performed at Nassau Coliseum . . . . I have taken a group of NYC kids who had never sung before and turned them into a Level 4 (of 6) Gold rated choir. . . . I have assisted gaining early release or reduced sentences of several incarcerated people. . . . . donated part of my meager income to political candidates of both the Democratic and Libertarian Parties, as well as other causes I care about. . . .

    Here are a few things I have not done:

    1) Claimed that Juice boxes are making our kids gay
    2) Claimed that same-sex marriage is a government eugenics plot.
    3) Claimed 9/11 was an “inside Job”
    4) Claimed that Sandy Hook was a “false-flag”
    5) Claimed that the worlds elites are planning to “exterminate” 80% of the world’s population
    6) Claimed that Barack Obama is the “global head” of Al-Qaeda
    7) Claimed that George Soros is conducting “mind control” through marijuana
    8) Claimed the government was involved in the Oklahoma City Bombing
    9) Claimed Barack Obama was born in Kenya
    10) Claimed that Antonin Scalia was murdered by a “secret society” group
    11) Claimed that Lady Gaga’s halftime show was a “satanic ritual”
    12) Claimed that Bill Gates is a “Eugenicist”
    13) Claimed that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring.
    14) Claimed that millions of “illegals” voted for Hillary Clinton
    15) Vaccines are part of a government program to give people cancer and autism

    Am I the greatest citizen who ever lived? Hardly. However, I would take my life over that of a conspiracy theorist.

  54. Andy

    “wolfefan
    August 3, 2017 at 06:38
    Hi langa – I’m still waiting for someone to explain why asking people to disengage the caps lock key is such a hassle. For all the people bitching at Pauiie, it’s not his policy. Take it up with Warren – it’s his site and he sets the rules.”

    Hi wolfefan (Look, another poster who posts their screen name in all lower case letters. Can somebody explain the rational as to why posting something in all lower case letters is OK, but no upper case letters. Seems like a double standard to me, one that is quite irrational, since the size of letters has no bearing on anything.), I’m still waiting for someone to explain how whether something is in upper case or lower case making a fucking bit of difference, or why anyone would even consider this to be a problem.

    Also, who called this to a secret vote, how did one get to become one of the “special people” chosen to participate in this secret vote, and where are the meeting minutes so those of us who were not one of the “special people” chosen to participate in this secret vote can read the rational arguments put forth about this terrible problem of the supposed great number of posts where somebody had posted something in all capital letters, and why this was a problem, even though if you look at the total number of posts in the history of Independent Irrational Crybaby Report, er um, Independent Political Report (I suppose we have to call it ipr now if we want to abbreviate, because typing the abbreviation in all capital letters would now be “wrong think,” and it may trigger one of the special snowflakes here and cause them to cry and censor posts because big, scary, capital letters were used), it only constituted a small percentage of the words to have ever been posted here?

  55. Tony From Long Island

    I’m fine with all-caps on one or two words for emphasis. More than that is just annoying and unnecessary.

  56. Andy

    Wow, for a guy who supposedly doesn’t even listen to Alex Jones, he sure seems to think that he knows a lot about him.

    Tony The Ex-Convict Jailbird Low Paid Job Democrat Loser From Long Island posts a bunch of statements, some out of context, and some he acts like they are false or terrible but are in fact backed up with facts (which give an obvious low IQ like Tony a headache since people with Tony’s IQ can’t strain their pea brains hard enough deal with any actual facts), about a guy he claims to not even listen to his show. Did you have to do internet searches to find these statements, or did somebody hand you a list?

    So Tony sang some place. Well whop-de-freaking-do. That’s nice Tony.

    You put down Alex Jones, a guy who built up a highly popular alternative media operation (one of the only ones that has even given a platform for minor party and independent candidates to speak), starting out from a cable access television show, yet you list among your big accomplishments as you sang some place, and you donated money to some Democrats.

    Considering how little you’ve done with your life, it is not surprising to see you lashing out at those who are more successful (typical of Democrats, by the way).

  57. Tony From Long Island

    Andy, I don’t need to validate my life to you. I attack what you say and do. That’s easy. I could just as easily attack your life and what you may or may not have accomplished in it. I don’t because there’s no reason to.

    I like what I have achieved in my life. The people I have affected like the things I have done with my life.

    You are REALLY going to go the “ex-convict jailbird” route? Wow . . . I seem to remember something about you being previously involved in some legal shenanigans . . . .

    I put down Alex Jones for the crap he spews forth to the masses – not his success. The ends don’t justify the means.

    You are going to attack someone for having a “low-paid” job? Really? Do you own a mirror?

    You need anger management counseling.

    Maybe I should try to have Paulie erase the post I just made where I complimented you 🙂

  58. langa

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain why asking people to disengage the caps lock key is such a hassle.

    There is a big difference between asking someone to do something and threatening to delete their comments if they refuse to comply with your request.

    People always laugh when I bring up the prospect of a “slippery slope” on IPR, but this is the latest example of it. First, deletion was only supposed to apply to a couple of notorious trolls. Then, it was expanded to include bigoted slurs. Now, it has been expanded again to include typing in a format that was arbitrarily declared to be “offensive” to some people. How long until it’s expanded again to include viewpoints that are arbitrarily declared to be “offensive” to some people? And then expanded again to include viewpoints that the moderators personally disagree with? I have no interest in an echo chamber.

  59. langa

    I’m fully capable of debating it…

    Sure, and I’m fully capable of beating LeBron James at 1-on-1 basketball. I just don’t feel like proving it.

    I’m not interested in debating it anymore…

    Come on, we’ve both been here a long time, and I know you better than that. You have one of the worst cases of “lastworditis” I have ever seen (and I used to be involved in the world of competitive debate, so that’s saying something). The only time you ever decline a debate is when you know you can’t win.

  60. paulie

    Nice try, but I don’t feel like it. All you are accomplishing is decreasing my interest in making another start at posting articles here, or in getting back to any of the substantive discussions. If you want to insist on debating this I will not be joining, but please at least move it to one of the moderation-related threads as opposed to having this stupid discussion in this thread any further. I’ll go watch porn, play solitaire, flip TV channels and catch up on internet meta-discussions of Game of Thrones while you all get past this.

  61. paulie

    I seem to remember something about you being previously involved in some legal shenanigans

    As far as I know, Andy was arrested three times and found not guilty each time. Two of those arrests were violations of his rights to petition in public places on public property. The third was a false accusation of terroristic threats connected to the second petition related arrest. In all of the cases all charges were dropped.

    You are going to attack someone for having a “low-paid” job? Really? Do you own a mirror?

    Not that low paid. I’ve been averaging about $50 an hour when I have gotten out to work. Unfortunately I have not worked as much as I should. My motel works out to a little less than $50 a day (I pay weekly) and I spend more on food than on motel. I know Andy has had some $1,000 plus days on this campaign. Andy is thriftier than I am.

    You need anger management counseling.

    I agree.

    Maybe I should try to have Paulie erase the post I just made where I complimented you

    I’m glad you added a smiley – it’s staying 🙂

  62. langa

    I’ll go watch porn, play solitaire, flip TV channels and catch up on internet meta-discussions of Game of Thrones while you all get past this.

    Do whatever you want. It doesn’t change the facts: I’m right, you know I’m right, and your refusal to debate the issue constitutes tacit acknowledgement that I’m right. As long as you don’t dispute any of that, I have nothing further to say about the matter (for right now, at least).

  63. wolfefan

    Hi langa and Andy – most publications have style guidelines for their contributors. That’s not new nor is it unusual. Publications routinely delete or edit articles, posts, etc. that do not meet their style guidelines. IPR, for better or for worse, has established a style guideline regarding the use of all caps. It may be wise or unwise, but there’s nothing strange or unusual or un-libertarian about it. Those who wish to comply with the property owner’s request may do so and those who don’t wish to aren’t required to contribute or post. Warren’s house, Warren’s rules. There’s no harm in complaining about it, although if you’re not complaining to Warren then it’s probably not very helpful but YMMV.

  64. steve m

    Ah find the all cap argument amusing because i frequently am to lazzy tohit shift and use any caps.

    Ah hope john is better soon and if he was attacked more info becomes available.

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