American Freedom Party: ‘Anti-Defamation League’s Murder Hit List’

One of the more powerful liberal propaganda houses, known as the “Anti-Defamation League” or #ADLterror, published a murder hit list Tuesday on reported “Alt-Right” and “Alt-Lite” “extremists” in America.

Here is the list:

Andrew Anglin, Andrew Auernheimer, Andy Nowicki, Augustus Invictus, Brad Griffin, Christopher Cantwell, Colin Liddell, Daniel Friberg, Daniel J. Kleve, Dillon Irizarry, Greg Johnson, Jared Taylor, Jason Kessler, Jason Reza Jorjani, Johnny Ramondetta, Lana Lokteff, Matt Forney, Matthew Heimbach, Matthew Parrot, Mike Peinovich (aka Mike Enoch), Nathan Damigo, Pax Dickinson, Richard Spencer, Tara McCarthy, Theodore Beale aka Vox Day, Tim Gionet (Baked Alaska), Brittany Pettibone, Colton Merwin, Corey Stewart, Gavin McInnes, Jack Posobiec, Kyle Chapman, Kyle Prescott, Lucian Wintrich, Mike Cernovich, and Milo Yiannopoulos.

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52 thoughts on “American Freedom Party: ‘Anti-Defamation League’s Murder Hit List’

  1. dL

    LOL…

    Apparently the only qualifiers for “extremism” are patriotism, the belief in small government, and support for the current president (according to the left).

    Btw, the Nazis are easy to find. They are the ones who will find a way to declare themselves the true victims in all this.

  2. Tony From Long Island

    This misleading nonsense needs to be removed immediately.

    Don’t let IPR become another alt-right tool with the “well they do it too” crap. There is no “murder hit list.”

    Exposing scum for the scum that they are is not a “murder hit list.” You should all be happy that they didn’t attribute the word “Libertarian” with Augustus Invictus.

    Warren, Paulie . . . don’t let this article stay here. It’s not “independent.” This crap belongs on Breitbart.

  3. paulie

    The IPR article’s title only says that the American “Freedom” Party characterizes the list that way. That is why it is in quotes after AFP. Readers certainly can and should draw their own conclusions. We are in no way saying that we agree with the AFP by covering their articles from time time, any more than we are saying that we are agreeing, with, say the PSL when we cover them.

    As for Invictus, hopefully IPR regular readers know that he is now a Republican; and if anyone reading doesn’t, here’s another reminder. I’m not sure what if anything Cantwell’s party affiliation currently is, but he has been a LP member – dues paying and/or registered – at various times on and off.

  4. Tony From Long Island

    Paulie, this is not the same as some third-party putting out a press release or new policy position or commenting on an incident. This is Alt-Right propaganda. Don’t let IPR become another arm.

  5. paulie

    We’re hardly an arm of their propaganda. We cover opinions all over the alt party political space. Including, sometimes, theirs. For that matter we cover them very rarely, even compared to the Marxist micro-parties.

  6. Carol Moore/Secession.net

    You should have made it a bit clearer you were just reporting this. It easily can be misused. Of course, at what point would IPR decide that a Third Party is too disgusting to be posted about anyway??

  7. Tony From Long Island

    I see your point Paulie, but what they have here is not a political opinion. It’s a total and blatant misquote. There is nothing in the article they are citing from the ADL about “murder” or a “hit list.” The article with the opposing viewpoint is the actual article the “American Freedom Party” is citing because it is nothing like it is being described. They don’t even try to hide what they are doing.

    This isn’t politics. There is no opposing viewpoint to a blatant misquote or purposeful misinterpretation.

    It would be like me Andy has put out a “murder hit list” on Johnson and Weld because he constantly points out things about them he doesn’t like or agree with. That would be ridiculous, right? Well, so is this.

    With that, I will step off the soapbox. #disappointed in IPR

  8. paulie

    You should have made it a bit clearer you were just reporting this.

    That’s always the case here. Whenever we quote from an outside source we are never making any representation that their views or for that matter their alleged facts are accurate. All we are reporting is that they said it. That is always true, no matter who it is or what they said.

    It easily can be misused.

    Yes, someone could say that *we* are claiming that it is a hit list, but we are making no such claim. For that matter some deranged person may actually use it as a hit list. But we are not suggesting that is a good course of action either. All we are doing is reporting that they said it. Since this is the comment section and not an article, I can also say that I agree with the statement that it is not in fact a hit list nor that there is anything even remotely indicating that it was intended that way, and that in general the AFP is completely full of shit – starting with their name but by no means ending there.

    Of course, at what point would IPR decide that a Third Party is too disgusting to be posted about anyway??

    At no point. Not only have we covered Marxist microparties in the past as well as the “A” “F” P, but we’ve covered actual, swastika wielding, openly nazi parties. If NAMBLA or the Human Extinction Movement created a political party they would be covered at some point as well. Nothing about receiving IPR coverage implies approval in any way whatsoever.

    It’s not a perfect science in any way but we try to cover the relatively more successful alt parties relatively more than the really tiny ones. But it all depends on what any individual IPR writer finds to be interesting at any particular point in time.

  9. paulie

    Meanwhile…

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/08/14/charlottesvilles-lasting-legacy

    Before last weekend’s “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville devolved into violence and tragedy, the gathering’s ostensible goal was to preserve a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Earlier this year, city officials announced plans to remove the statue, erected in 1924, from the park once named in Lee’s honor and recently rechristened Emancipation Park. An ongoing lawsuit has left the future of Charlottesville’s Lee statue unclear at the moment.

    But this weekend’s rally was hardly a boon for the statute-keepers’ cause more broadly. The only thing the U.S. right seems to have united on is condemnation of protesters playing “patriots” while wearing the insignia of two entities—the Confederacy and Nazi Germany—that declared war on the United States. Meanwhile, mayors of several Southern cities have declared an intent to remove memorials to Confederate generals from their city centers.

    On Monday, Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh said she has reached out to contractors about removing four Confederate-era monuments from central Baltimore and transferring them to Confederate soldier cemeteries around Maryland.

    In Lexington, Kentucky, Mayor Jim Gray has announced plans to move two Confederate monuments from an area on the city’s Main Street to a cemetery for Confederate veterans.

    More at the link.

  10. DJ

    The only thing the U.S. right seems to have united on is condemnation of protesters playing “patriots” while wearing the insignia of two entities—the Confederacy and Nazi Germany—that declared war on the United States.
    ……….

    Freedom of speech whether it is approved of or not.

    BTW, when did Germany (or the confederacy) “declare war on the US”? Wasn’t it the other way around?
    I really thought “reason” writers were smarter than that.

  11. paulie

    BTW, when did Germany (or the confederacy) “declare war on the US”? Wasn’t it the other way around?

    Nope. Confederates attacked first, at Ft. Sumter. You are correct that the US declared war on Nazi Germany three days before Germany replied in kind. However, that entire series of declarations was baked into the alliances that Germany and the US made e years earlier. When Japan attacked the US they had to have known that it would mean war between Germany and the US as an inevitable result. And Germany would have had to know that would be a likely result of making an alliance with Japan when they made one.

  12. paulie

    Freedom of speech whether it is approved of or not.

    The only time fascists support freedom of speech is when they are not in power. I support their freedom of speech too, just like I support speaking out against them.

  13. Tony From Long Island

    DJ:

    Freedom of speech whether it is approved of or not.

    very few are saying that these scum bags don’t have a right to speak. Of course they do. They do not have a right to use violence to achieve political goals . . .sounds familiar.

    Every other patriotic American also has a right to expose them and call them out for what they are – human waste.

  14. DJ

    Nope. Confederates attacked first, at Ft. Sumter. You are correct that the US declared war on Nazi Germany three days before Germany replied in kind. However, that entire series of declarations was baked into the alliances that Germany and the US made e years earlier. When Japan attacked the US they had to have known that it would mean war between Germany and the US as an inevitable result. And Germany would have had to know that would be a likely result of making an alliance with Japan when they made one.
    ………….

    I know I’m correct- on both counts. Provocation. For instance; you stand on my front porch and demand I act the way you ‘feel’ I should act you stand the chance of being shot.

    I seriously doubt your theory on ww2. Can you provide evidence? There’s plenty of evidence of our causing the conflict with Japan and lets not forget our founders expressed beliefs; trade with all ally with none. Funny we allied with Britain who we fought a war to get out from under its thumb and got our soldiers killed in wars defending our European allies who like Hussein were our allies until they weren’t our allies. And, as though that weren’t bad enough we adopted Keynesian monetary policy. I guess that was necessary to award our Royalty enough money to buy votes to retain their ill gotten powers so they could disavow other alliances (Iran comes to mind) while condoning Saudi BS and using our soldiers to defend their interests. Yes I know the chronology is off, but hey, Germany knew Japan was going to attack us right?

  15. DJ

    very few are saying that these scum bags don’t have a right to speak. Of course they do. They do not have a right to use violence to achieve political goals . . .sounds familiar.
    ………….

    Very few? Or none? Sound familiar? Provocation will nearly always cause conflict. All conflict is caused by one trying to impose his will on another. To create such a ruckus over a statue is stupid.
    But, who had the permits? Who had the vaunted “legal permission” to demonstrate? Permit holders or protesters?
    The scum is on both sides and trying to pretend otherwise is always the problem when dealing with leftist, ( i.e., democrats) and stupid kids who think it’s cool to protest something. In today’s world as long as it can be tied to Trump its got to be cool and I doubt that even 5% of them have any clue about the civil war and I’d bet a weeks pay they don’t even know who their state representatives are. It’s all a bunch of bullshit almost as bad as the Google guy getting fired. This country has so many fucking idiots (thank you godvernment mandated education goals) it’s a wonder we’ve managed to last as long as we have.

    I had a neighbor a few years ago that summed it up pretty well. “This country thrives in spite of itself”.

    And it does so in spite of left/right politics being used to divide so “We the people” are more easily conquered. Divide and conquer is the oldest tactic of control. Much less troublesome for politicians than force and every bit as effective.

    Fucking politicians refuse to acknowledge they cannot legislate morality or inclusiveness so they incite with their bullshit rhetoric so they have to do something which always strips civil liberty from everyone, even their most fervent supporters. But like gun control freaks they’re so blinded by their hatred they refuse to remember; when they came for me there was no one left. Fucking idiots.

  16. paulie

    Provocation.

    Not sure what you mean, but the Confederates attacked first, and the Germans would have known in 1940 when the Axis was formed that Japan would likely end up in a war with the US, which means they would be as well. Japan attacked first.

    I seriously doubt your theory

    It’s not a theory. These are facts.

    Germany knew Japan was going to attack us right?

    It was more or less inevitable. The US was thwarting Japanese imperial ambitions with trade boycotts.

  17. paulie

    But, who had the permits? Who had the vaunted “legal permission” to demonstrate? Permit holders or protesters?

    I’m guessing both or they would not have been allowed to continue. Why does it matter? We shouldn’t need permission to protest.

  18. Tony From Long Island

    DJ:

    The scum is on both sides and trying to pretend otherwise is always the problem when dealing with leftist, ( i.e., democrats) and stupid kids who think it’s cool to protest something.

    Yeah . . “many sides . . ” Is that you Donnie? . . . . People don’t protest Neo-Nazi white supremacists because “it’s cool.” If you can’t see that, you are no better than the scourge of human scum the alt-right represents.

    No, the scum on “both sides” are not equal in their scumminess. There are very people on Earth higher on the scum bag scale than White Supremacists.

  19. DJ

    Provocation.

    Not sure what you mean, but the Confederates attacked first,
    ………..

    I gave an example. I’d draw a picture but I doubt it’d help.

    The idiots (on both sides) probably have no clue about Robert E Lee and the overlooked fact about why he joined the confederate state of Va. He was provoked and the secessionist were provoked (= provocation) by an over bearing statist “Union” who ‘felt’ their approach must be adhered to and ‘forced’ their belief while “standing on their front porch” and threatening them = you might get shot.
    ………..

    and the Germans would have known in 1940 when the Axis was formed that Japan would likely end up in a war with the US, which means they would be as well. Japan attacked first
    ……………

    So, the Germans were mind readers and and able to tell the future. Got it. And the Germans wanted war with the US too, right?! Did they also know they would get their butts kicked? I guess their future and mind reading skills were lacking. And, the statist also “provoked” the attack from Japan. The statist believing their not so moral high ground allowed them to ‘dictate’ (provoke) to others (sound familiar?) while standing on their front porch = you might get shot.

  20. paulie

    It didn’t take mind reading to know that Japan and the US were on a course for war in the near future from the vantage point of late 1940. And it remains a fact that the Confederacy attacked the Union first whether you like it or not. As with most wars, all sides claim they were provoked into battle. In any case, this whole tangent is pointless since it is a fact that Germany and the CSA declared war on the US. It’s of little relevance who declared war a few days before whom and who fired the first shot. It’s disturbing that you seem to be taking the side of the Confederates and Nazis here in insisting they were “provoked.”

  21. Tony From Long Island

    Dj

    The idiots (on both sides) probably have no clue about Robert E Lee and the overlooked fact about why he joined the confederate state of Va. He was provoked and the secessionist were provoked (= provocation) by an over bearing statist “Union” who ‘felt’ their approach must be adhered to and ‘forced’ their belief while “standing on their front porch” and threatening them = you might get shot.

    Are you really Andy? This is the kind of drivel he would post.

    Their “approach?” You mean that you can not secede in order to maintain your desire to own people? I’ll take that “statism” any day.

  22. DJ

    Tony From Long Island
    August 15, 2017 at 07:18

    DJ:

    The scum is on both sides and trying to pretend otherwise is always the problem when dealing with leftist, ( i.e., democrats) and stupid kids who think it’s cool to protest something.

    Yeah . . “many sides . . ” Is that you Donnie? . . . . People don’t protest Neo-Nazi white supremacists because “it’s cool.” If you can’t see that, you are no better than the scourge of human scum the alt-right represents.

    No, the scum on “both sides” are not equal in their scumminess. There are very people on Earth higher on the scum bag scale than White Supremacists.
    ……………..

    And you are no better than the scum protesting those rallying to keep the statue.

    It’s a statue. A symbol of a man. Period. But, that man wasn’t a white supremacist and I doubt one in ten (on either side) knows the man’s ‘personal’ history.

    I have a long record (on another message board) pointing out to Republicans their hypocrisy and lack of a moral high ground, as well as the hypocrisy of anglo-saxon heritage and arrogance, (my heritage is Irish and Indian) but, I’m an equal hater. I hate ignorance no matter what side or what political stripe. Notice I hate “ignorance”, which is an inanimate, often animated by clueless people for which there is no excuse in this day. Scum hate people, and apparently they hate symbols (inanimates) as well. Think about that.

    Kids, and idiots protest because they think it’s cool. The ‘feel’ they have all the answers and don’t have a clue about all the questions.
    ……………….

    paulie
    August 14, 2017 at 22:37

    But, who had the permits? Who had the vaunted “legal permission” to demonstrate? Permit holders or protesters?

    I’m guessing both or they would not have been allowed to continue. Why does it matter? We shouldn’t need permission to protest.
    ……………..

    The stories I’ve read said the “rally” people had permits, nothing about the protesters having them and don’t give me that BS about why we have to have permission I didn’t write the rules.

    What happened is what happens when ignorance is allowed to prevail. Politicians in this country have a long history of exercising and exploiting ignorance as well as their weak minded supporters willingness to “protest” in a feigned offense because they’ve been told they should be offended.

  23. DJ

    And who the fuck is Donnie? The only one I know spells it Donny and he’s a sprint car driver.

  24. paulie

    The stories I’ve read said the “rally” people had permits, nothing about the protesters having them

    I don’t know what stories you read, much less whether I should trust your sources or even that they affirmatively stated the protesters had no permit (or merely neglected to say whether they did). And as I said, I don’t personally find it to be important whether they did or not but would expect that the cops would have removed them if they didn’t.

    And you are no better than the scum protesting those rallying to keep the statue.

    You got it backwards. The scum were the ones rallying to keep the statue. The heroes were those who stood up against them.

    It’s a statue. A symbol of a man. Period.

    Don’t be ridiculous. It’s a symbol of white supremacy and war to preserve slavery. The segregationists who put up these statues in the 1950s certainly knew that, and so do those on both the giving and receiving end of police violence against black communities in the here and now.

    But, that man wasn’t a white supremacist and I doubt one in ten (on either side) knows the man’s ‘personal’ history.

    To start to cure of your whitwewashed history of him I would recommend doing a search at http://radgeek.com/ but even if he had not been a white supremacist he led the military fight to preserve slavery, which is precisely why white supremacists fighting to preserve segregation and jim crow put up statues to him almost a century later.

  25. DJ

    To start to cure of your whitwewashed history of him I would recommend doing a search at http://radgeek.com/ but even if he had not been a white supremacist he led the military fight to preserve slavery, which is precisely why white supremacists fighting to preserve segregation and jim crow put up statues to him almost a century later.
    ………….

    My white washed history? LOL….. that’s funny….but not very funny. I guess you didn’t believe my source on this.

    I have a long record (on another message board) pointing out to Republicans their hypocrisy and lack of a moral high ground, as well as the hypocrisy of anglo-saxon heritage and arrogance, (my heritage is Irish and Indian) but, I’m an equal hater. I hate ignorance no matter what political stripe it wears.

    He led because he was a General. He fought in the confederacy because he didn’t want to fight against fellow Virginians. He freed his slaves before the war. And like I said, I doubt 1 in 10 knows hos personal history, including those who resurrected, rallied or protested or become a radgeek who’s link wouldn’t open.
    …………..

    paulie
    August 15, 2017 at 09:54

    Donnie Drumpf. Duh!
    …………

    So, when all else fails resort to name calling. Got it.

  26. paulie

    My white washed history? LOL….. that’s funny….but not very funny.

    Not funny at all. Follow the radgeek link to learn some actual history as opposed to propaganda put out by pro-slavery hagiographers. I even added the direct search link later to make it easier for you.

    I hate ignorance no matter what political stripe it wears.

    You really shouldn’t beat yourself up so much.

    Try it again and give it some time to load. http://radgeek.com/?s=robert+e.+lee

    Then you will become less ignorant and stop spreading bullshit. Or at least lose any excuse you have for doing so again.

  27. DJ

    I’m not into masochism. I suppose your “research” (propaganda) is superior to mine. Thanks, but no thanks.

    I don’t have a need to verify what I know. No.1 on that list is that even the engineering expertise of the Germans didn’t have mind reading capabilities- to align with “likely” would attack, and yes “provocation” makes a difference. If it didn’t then the US has no leg to stand on in any of it’s entire history of ‘feigned’ offenses so it could push it’s nationalist/statist/control freaks agenda. If you don’t ‘feel’ provocation makes a difference then I’ll come to your front porch and demand you see things my way or I’ll force you to.

  28. Tony From Long Island

    DJ

    And you are no better than the scum protesting those rallying to keep the statue.

    It’s a statue. A symbol of a man. Period. But, that man wasn’t a white supremacist and I doubt one in ten (on either side) knows the man’s ‘personal’ history.

    Wow! A “symbol of a man?” Ok, so where is the statue of Erwin Rommel? Or Tojo?

    Robert E. Lee was a traitor. He took up arms for another country against the United States. No road, school, government building or statue should be named or erected In his honor.

    He is a symbol of people fighting for the right to own people. End of Story. Trying to rationalize or justify the existence of such symbols makes you no better than the neo-Nazi scum who showed up with TIKI torches.

  29. DJ

    I’ve read a few opinions from the Atlantic over the last few years and even posted them on the message board I used to frequent, but, this one is an opinion I don’t agree with. It’s typical north vs south BS.

    And I noticed you ignored the below from me, except the snide comment. Why is that? Can you not make your narrative fit by acknowledging it or is it because my source is me?

    I have a long record (on another message board) pointing out to Republicans their hypocrisy and lack of a moral high ground, as well as the hypocrisy of anglo-saxon heritage and arrogance, (my heritage is Irish and Indian) but, I’m an equal hater. I hate ignorance no matter what side or what political stripe. Notice I hate “ignorance”, which is an inanimate, often animated by clueless people for which there is no excuse in this day. Scum hate people, and apparently they hate symbols (inanimates) as well. Think about that.
    ………………..

    The radgeek used opinions from Lee as though they were a bad thing, but, in the comment I found this and had I took the time to I would have said something very similar.

    This author is one more in a long line of authors trying to define mid-19th century people with late 20th or early 21st century “morality.” He condemns Robert E. Lee — one of the greatest Americans who ever lived — for his views that just-freed blacks weren’t suited for citizenship or equality with whites, again, a modern viewpoint applied to mankind of a century and a half ago. Of course blacks weren’t suited for the full rights and responsibilities of citizenship. They had just come out of a horrendous life of slavery where they weren’t allowed to learn the basics of what it means to be a citizen. Even now, we put our children through school — including social studies and civics classes — to train them to be citizens before they’re of legal age to vote. Wouldn’t that have benefited the freedmen? I’ve read much about Lee and I believe he would’ve agreed. His prediction that to just grant them the full rights of citizenship without any education would lead to their being taken advantage of by revenge-seeking carpetbaggers turned out to be quite true. It was the vengeful treatment of southern whites during Reconstruction by northerners who ignored Lincoln’s “with malice toward none” admonition and in reality cared no more for blacks than southerners that resulted in Jim Crow and a century or more of racism — on both sides — that so pervades our society today. True, our country was founded with slavery intact. But remember where it came from: Slavery is as old as civilization itself. Once the Americas were being settled, African blacks were captured by Muslims or other blacks and sold to Dutch, English, Spanish and Portuguese ship captains to be taken to the New World as slaves. Then they became integral to building civilization here. Most people then saw nothing unusual or wrong about it, though now we know better. Robert E. Lee was merely a product of his times, and one of the best products at that. For Fellman to try to rewrite history to slander the man is atrocious.
    ……………

    So, my opinion (based on what I know and who I am) isn’t changed. Provocation started the “Civil” War, which is in and of itself an oxy-moron. I expect you see what you want to see and so do/will I.

    What I see I stated above- anglo saxon arrogance has been around a long time and neither article link you provided dissuades me of my conviction.

    I’ve also stated ALL conflict begins when one imposes his will on another. The war of northern aggression was just that and to pretend it was only people of the south who used, or approved of slavery is lying to ones self.

    I may be ignorant, in your opinion, but, I am self educated as my formal education ended in the 9th grade which means I didn’t have “professionals” “whitewashing” my knowledge of History. I reach my own conclusions by reading everything I can about a subject before forming an opinion/analysis, and one conclusion I’ve come to cannot be refuted: All conflict begins when one imposes his will on another.

    That will imposition can be and very often is “provocation” meant to incite/inflame and give excuse to have others fight using rhetoric like white supremacist, war on poverty, war on drugs, war on terror, communism, socialism etc., etc., etc., and perpetrated on the willfully ignorant, usually kids, who don’t have a clue and wouldn’t know one if it was tattooed on their forehead and had to look at it every time they looked in a mirror. They are “equally” as ignorant as the “white supremacist” ‘followers’ who, like their ancestors believed themselves superior, though their ancestors at least had a good excuse since it was all they knew, and what they were bred to believe. Just as the protesters of today believe through their upbringing/education/environment that only those who agree with them have the right of moral on their side when the opposite is the truth.
    Funny thing about truth and education. One evolves, one is constant. No amount of legislating will change that and no amount of protesting will change it and no amount of arrogance will change it, but ignorance begets ignorance.

  30. paulie

    I’ve read a few opinions from the Atlantic over the last few years and even posted them on the message board I used to frequent, but, this one is an opinion I don’t agree with.

    Not an opinion. Those are the historical facts. Try reading the whole article including Lee’s words and actions before, during and after the war.

  31. Tony From Long Island

    DJ

    I may be ignorant, in your opinion, but, I am self educated as my formal education ended in the 9th grade which means I didn’t have “professionals” “whitewashing” my knowledge of History. I reach my own conclusions by reading everything I can about a subject before forming an opinion/analysis, and one conclusion I’ve come to cannot be refuted: All conflict begins when one imposes his will on another.

    I guess that sorta says it all. Are you sure you didn’t vote for Trump? You fit right in his coalition.

  32. DJ

    Not an opinion. Those are the historical facts. Try reading the whole article including Lee’s words and actions before, during and after the war.
    ………….

    Put in opinion format that doesn’t coincide with the radgeek article…..and, you still refusing to acknowledge the rest of a post clearly shows where your focus is, trying to discredit me (attack a messenger) as opposed to a message. How Republocrat of you you.

  33. George Phillies

    “the Germans would have known in 1940 when the Axis was formed that Japan would likely end up in a war with the US, which means they would be as well”

    Absolutely no one expected the Germans to honor their agreements with the Japanese and declare war on the US, after the Japanese did. Hitler’s declaration of war on the United States came as a surprise to the English, the Americans, the Japanese, and Hitler’s own General Staff.

  34. DJ

    DJ

    I may be ignorant, in your opinion, but, I am self educated as my formal education ended in the 9th grade which means

    I didn’t have “professionals” “whitewashing” my knowledge of History.

    I reach my own conclusions by reading everything I can about a subject before forming an opinion/analysis, and one conclusion I’ve come to cannot be refuted: All conflict begins when one imposes his will on another.

    I guess that sorta says it all. Are you sure you didn’t vote for Trump? You fit right in his coalition
    …………..

    I’m sure I didn’t vote for Trump and I’m sure I didn’t have my brain formally “white washed”. I don’t “fit” any coalition. I’m libertarian (little l intentional) and I came to that conclusion through analysis of my beliefs and my past. I don’t need, or want anyone telling me how or what to believe, including/especially a democrat who ‘feels’ superior for some unfathomable reason.

    Now, with all your faculties in tact, can you give me any evidence that “all conflict is caused by one imposing his will on another” is inaccurate? Or that education evolves and truth remains constant?
    Or that anglo-saxon arrogance doesn’t exist? Or that the comment from the radgeek article wasn’t accurate? Or that my interpretation of the Atlantic article wasn’t accurate?
    Or is ridicule with snide comments all you have?

    Why is it you and paulie won’t acknowledge that which doesn’t fit your narratives? I find that quite telling, at best.

  35. paulie

    Why is it you and paulie won’t acknowledge that which doesn’t fit your narratives?

    There’s nothing to acknowledge. I’ve pointed you to two of many sources that correct the misconceptions you are spreading around about Robert E. Lee.

  36. DJ

    paulie
    August 15, 2017 at 12:21

    Why is it you and paulie won’t acknowledge that which doesn’t fit your narratives?

    There’s nothing to acknowledge. I’ve pointed you to two of many sources that correct the misconceptions you are spreading around about Robert E. Lee.
    ………….

    Actually the radgeek link solidified my conviction, as did the comment afterwards, neither of which addresses what I’m talking about and if you continue to ignore the rest of my posts I believe that will show just how narrow minded you are which doesn’t lend a lot of credibility to your libertarian beliefs.

  37. Carol Moore/Secession.net

    PAULIE: I should have just given you a specific suggestion. Headlines like

    SO AND SO WRITES:

    or

    FROM SO AND SO:

  38. paulie

    Actually the radgeek link solidified my conviction, as did the comment afterwards, neither of which addresses what I’m talking about

    I’ll leave it to readers to determine what those links say. I think it’s pretty obvious that they lay waste to your defense of Lee, but as I said the first time, that’s actually somewhat beside the point anyway.

  39. paulie

    PAULIE: I should have just given you a specific suggestion. Headlines like

    SO AND SO WRITES:

    That’s what x: “blah blah” means, or is that not commonly understood?

  40. Carol Moore/Secession.net

    Paulie: new people, busy skim readers, tired people, old people, easily confused people, total literalists, those out to misinterpret for fun and profit, etc. need all the help they can get to NOT misinterpret… (I’m in at least the first 4 categories half the time myself.)

  41. DJ

    paulie
    August 15, 2017 at 21:18

    but as I said the first time, that’s actually somewhat beside the point anyway.
    …..

    Then what exactly is “the” point?

  42. paulie

    Then what exactly is “the” point?

    I said what it was in that same first response to you about Lee. Kindly please scroll up.

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