Open Thread for August, 2017

Here we go again–a new month is beginning. Here is a place to post anything that doesn’t fit into another thread. If you think IPR readers might be interested in something you have to share, post it here. Please make sure you don’t plagiarize anything or libel anyone, and you’ll probably be just fine.

175 thoughts on “Open Thread for August, 2017

  1. Thomas L. Knapp

    Hey, Tony from Long Island — I have a question for you that’s completely unrelated to politics (well, OK, nothing is COMPLETELY unrelated to politics, but this is about music). Could you give me a yell via the contact form at my blog (knappster.blogspot.com) or by email at kubby dot communications at gmail dot com?

  2. George Phillies

    Moving this to where it belonged:

    Interesting related article (liberal rant)
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/dems-can-abandon-the-center-because-the-center-doesnt-exist.html

    Graphical data “there are almost no libertarians in the United States”)

    https://www.voterstudygroup.org/reports/2016-elections/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond

    Much interesting related material, including heavy use of Nolan-type charts without realizing they are Nolan charts. However, these are honest Nolan charts, not charts rigged to stuff people into the libertarian quadrant.

  3. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Does anyone have a suggestion on a video to post at the end of the article? I’m not feeling too humorous lately, but we all desperately need to laugh.

  4. Andy

    Sad news, conspiracy researchers and author, Jim Marrs, has passed away. I have a couple of his books, “Rule By Secrecy,” and “Inside Job: Unmasking the 9/11 Conspiracies,” and I recommend both of these. I actually met Jim Marrs in person, when he spoke at The Granada Forum in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles, CA back in the early or mid 2000’s. I remember him saying that the people who control the mainstream media can’t control what every news reporter does (note that Jim Marrs used to work as a newspaper reporter), but they can control the distribution of news stories, as in “they” can decide which stories get lots of publicity, and which stories get buried.

    Rest In Peace, Jim Marrs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRaFuvGnx6c

  5. George Phillies

    And for those hoping that the duopoly parties will knock themselves out, it is amusing to note that someone in the DC criminal investigations has actually indicated that he would plead the fifth. I suppose if enough people lose all faith in the current government, the system will become less stable.

  6. Just Some Random Guy

    I noticed that the Libertarian Party recently added a decent number of candidates to their Candidates page:
    https://www.lp.org/2017-candidates/

    So if anyone’s looking for Libertarian candidates to support (volunteering, donating, etc.) it could be worth a look.

  7. Tony From Long island

    Hey Andy, did you happen to see 60 minutes last night? There was a good piece about the parents of Sandy Hook victims. I guess CBS was able to cover their acting fees.

    Since you always want to debate people, why not head up to New Town and debate some of them?

  8. paulie

    I haven’t read the article but to my knowledge DSA is more of a Democratic Party caucus than a party of its own. Do they have candidates under their own brand on the ballot anywhere?

  9. Aiden James

    Here’s one for you; Article 1 Section 10 Clause 1:

    “No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”
    ….
    “make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;”

    It’s unconstitutional for the states to compel any one to pay taxes in anything other than gold or silver.

  10. Andy

    “Tony From Long island
    August 7, 2017 at 08:15
    Hey Andy, did you happen to see 60 minutes last night? There was a good piece about the parents of Sandy Hook victims. I guess CBS was able to cover their acting fees.”

    I don’t trust the mainstream media. They have been caught lying, spinning, and putting out “fake news” and government propaganda so many times that I should not even have to discuss it.

    “Since you always want to debate people, why not head up to New Town and debate some of them?”

    Maybe you and I could ride up there together, and maybe we could call up the Infowars crew and see if any of them want to bring a camera.

  11. Tony From Long Island

    I wouldn’t trust you behind the wheel with me in the passenger seat. . . . . . You bring Alex Jones I’ll bring the Young Turks.

    It wouldn’t last long. You’d probably be pelted with stones by the parents of the murdered children.

  12. George Phillies

    “It’s unconstitutional for the states to compel any one to pay taxes in anything other than gold or silver.”

    Crazy nonsense.

    The Federal government has taken care of this with Federal Reserve notes.

  13. langa

    Unfortunately, the FG has “taken care of” a lot of constitutional obstacles with Federal Reserve notes.

  14. Daemon Sims

    Emeryville, Emeryville. Why do you remind me of Oz?

    Could it be your yellow brick pathway beside your favorite cause?

    Or was I just too far from Kansas to avoid that young girl in blue?

    You may not be the Emerald City but you’re Green thanks to Mayor Donahue.

  15. George Phillies

    Virginia Governor polling with Libertarian included:

    Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam holds a 44 – 38 percent lead over Republican Ed Gillespie in the Virginia governor’s race, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Libertarian Party candidate Cliff Hyra has 4 percent. Northam had a 47 – 39 percent lead over Gillespie in a June 21 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. This earlier survey did not include a third party candidate. Independent voters back the Republican 39 – 30 percent, with 8 percent for Hyra. Democrats back Northam 89 – 5 percent, with 1 percent for Hyra, as Republicans back Gillespie 89 – 1 percent, with 3 percent for Hyra.

  16. Thomas L. Knapp

    “It’s unconstitutional for the states to compel any one to pay taxes in anything other than gold or silver.”

    That’s not exactly what it says. What is says is “No State shall … make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.”

    In context that seems to mean that the states themselves may only pay their debts in gold and silver coin.

    The section does not seem to have been amended.

  17. dL

    Off Topic. Freedom Fest hosted a topic on the libertarianism of Star Trek, the original series. The original Star Trek was before my time so apart from the occasional haphazard viewing of syndicated reruns , I never really sat down to watch it. Fortunately, the remastered version of the series is streaming on Amazon Prime, so I actually sat down to watch it.

    Conclusion: The original Star Trek was a 60s progressive cold war period piece masquerading as a space western. Any libertarian interpretation is pure revisionism. I detected no libertarian character study in Spock, though I did notice the Spock character was more prone to emotion in the TV series compared to the movie franchise.

  18. Daemon Sims

    The recent Star Trek movies were all bad. It’s a bunch of children playing, writing, and directing characters they don’t at all understand. It lacks any originality or common sense to “reinvent” characters from the original rather than continue on in with the universe trajectory from The Original > New Generation > What they should’ve done with the movie series. Shame on J.J. Abrams.

  19. paulie

    A socialist friend of mine once tried to push the idea of basing the world’s economy on Star Trek to me. I had to point out that they had replicators – thus no scarcity, as in the real world – and that the setting was on board a military vessel with a military chain of command. As a fellow peacenik, he was not too fond of me pointing that part out.

  20. paulie

    The starfleet directive to not intervene in the affairs of the planets they encounter seems libertarian… but the show depicts the crew breaking that directive constantly.

  21. DJ

    Ran across this which I think is interesting from the perspective of grand kids. The future doesn’t bode well for them, especially when they’re influenced by grand parents like me and parents like my son who leans heavily libertarian.

    Generation X needs to save America from millennials

    http://nypost.com/2017/08/05/generation-x-needs-to-save-america-from-millennials/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=facebook_app&utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=fa8e30c2d6-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_08_12&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-fa8e30c2d6-83900825

  22. William Saturn

    I’m writing an article about Charlottesville. There’s so much to take in. Tomorrow I’ll visit a nearby Confederate cemetary for inspiration.

  23. Tony From Long Island

    Daemon

    The recent Star Trek movies were all bad. It’s a bunch of children playing, writing, and directing characters they don’t at all understand. It lacks any originality or common sense to “reinvent” characters from the original rather than continue on in with the universe trajectory from The Original > New Generation > What they should’ve done with the movie series. Shame on J.J. Abrams.

    Although I was entertained by the second and third ones, I couldn’t agree more!!

    p.s. maybe you should change your name to DAIMON 🙂 Only true nerds will get that! 😛

  24. George Phillies

    Charlottesville may provide an interesting excuse for the duopoly parties, under the guise of suppressing the extreme right or the extreme left, to suppress all third parties.

  25. Tony From Long Island

    The “extreme left” had nothing to do with Charlottesville. George, are you really doing the “many sides” Trumpism?

  26. DJ

    Tony From Long Island
    August 16, 2017 at 08:13

    The “extreme left” had nothing to do with Charlottesville. George, are you really doing the “many sides” Trumpism?
    ……………

    LOL…..

  27. dL

    The starfleet directive to not intervene in the affairs of the planets they encounter seems libertarian… but the show depicts the crew breaking that directive constantly.

    Watching a few more episodes, the “libertarian character” is Harry Mudd, the smuggler depicted as scoundrel(he appeared in 3 different episodes in the original series). He often justified his actions w/ libertarian rhetoric. In “I.Mudd,” he went as far as to give the free market anarchist retort to Kirk RE: paying IP royalties to the Vulcans for their fuel synthesizer technology.

  28. JamesT

    Pat Buchanan posted some deeply regrettable stuff. Even The american conservative is turning on him about it. The anti-war right just took a serious blow.

  29. Just Some Random Guy

    Watching a few more episodes, the “libertarian character” is Harry Mudd, the smuggler depicted as scoundrel(he appeared in 3 different episodes in the original series).

    Actually, he only showed up in two (“Mudd’s Women” and “I, Mudd”). His third appearance was in an episode of The Animated Series.

    He’s actually one of the very few cases of actual continuity in the original series, where one episode alludes to a previous one.

  30. dL

    Actually, he only showed up in two (“Mudd’s Women” and “I, Mudd”). His third appearance was in an episode of The Animated Series.

    Yep. I stand corrected on the clarification.

    He’s actually one of the very few cases of actual continuity in the original series, where one episode alludes to a previous one.

    Well, off the top of my head, there obviously was the two-parter “The Menagerie.” Watching the series on Amazon prime the past week hasn’t turned up any other recurring character appearances other than Mudd. However, there are some occasional recurring character references: Sarek, Pike. There is also a subtext character continuity of Nurse Chapel’s crush on Spock, as well continuity w/ some of the antagonists: Klingons, Romulans. Thematically, there is a repeating plot subtext of US-USSR cold war relations.

    Apart from the HD remastered special effects, this is obviously a 60s TV series. The format follows the self-contained teleplay storytelling practice of that time. From a fresh view, the things that differ from casual recollection are:
    (1) there are no ugly women in the HD future(well, other than Mudd’s ex-wife)
    (2) Not as much Kirk romance of the week as I might have recalled
    (3) Spock was a more emotional character

    The one thing that remained consistent w/ recollection was a lot of Monster of the week. One of the reasons i was never a big fan. The original series was before my time and watching it in syndication 15- 20 years later w/ cheesy alien monster special effects just never caught my imagination. The HD remastering helps quite a bit in making the series watchable today. For me, at least.

  31. Just Some Random Guy

    Have you watched TNG or DS9 yet? TNG takes a while to get decent (the first season is rather mediocre and the second season, while having a few great episodes, is uneven on the whole), but I prefer it to the original series on the whole, one of the reasons being a greater sense of continuity (it’s still a quite episodic series, but there’s more callbacks to previous episodes). Granted, I like DS9 more than either, but I’m not sure how fair of a comparison it is, as DS9 had a rather different focus than TNG or TOS.

  32. Steven R Linnabary

    Dick Gregory has passed away today. Gregory was the 1968 write-in candidate for POTUS of the Freedom & Peace Party (a split from the P&F Party of CA).

    PEACE

  33. dL

    Have you watched TNG or DS9 yet?

    Not really. Occasionally, I watched TNG when it first came out in the late 80s. DS9 ran during a time when I was burning the candle at both ends(in my 20s) and never watched any television.

    Even though I have a decent theoretical science background(i wrote my senior university paper on time travel solutions to Einstein’s field equations), I have never had an overriding obsession w/ science fiction b/c it is mostly science fantasy.

    The most interesting sci-fi aspect of TNG is the holo-deck. The other stuff: I hate to break it to people, but human life spans are far too short, the universe far too big and the evidence of intelligent life too non-existent to even give anything more than a passing thought to human intergalactic travel, not to mention the silliness of of the notion of galactic governance. To the extent that there is ever going to be any deep colonization of space, it would be by replicating nano-tech von Neumann probes that would venture beyond any sense of communicating back to home base.

    The time travel stuff is almost always done wrong. Though theoretically possible(more so w/ information signaling time travel than people time travel, the latter requiring a tech for manipulating stellar configurations way, way, way, way, way, way more advanced than anything in the conceivable next millennium), it is in a sense, an uninteresting topic b/c it is scientifically impossible to change history. If you had the ability to go back in time to try to, say, kill your own grandfather, you should know you have already failed. If say, from your point of view the attempt actually succeeded, then to preserve the local homeomorphism of SpaceTime to the pseudo-Reimann plane, the universe from your point of view has to branch. So it’s an alternate history that is sealed from the one you came from. But creating alternate histories is so much more feasible using a simple computer simulation that is quite capable of being done in the near future than relying on a tech that at best could theoretically be available by factor of 10^3 in the future.

    So, get my drift? The future of human exploration is in computer simulation. it is what humans are particularly good at. The science fiction is simulations within simulations. The ultimate question: is the universe a mere simulation?…stuff like that.

  34. paulie

    but human life spans are far too short, the universe far too big

    Given our current state of knowledge, yes. But it’s not impossible that “wormholes” or whatever other aspects of the universe could be discovered which changes those equations just as modern physics changes some of what we thought we knew using Newtonian physics. The bigger problem I have with a lot of sci-fi is not the impossibility of some of the technology – it may or may not be as we learn more – but how little it seems to change the social order and how people behave. The earlier Star Treks already seem quaint in a lot of how the characters acted towards each other from our viewpoint a few decades later, much less from the standpoint of being set several centuries in the future. And if they can beam themselves down to the surface of a planet and back, why not beam themselves around to different parts of the ship? Little things like that.

  35. paulie

    Dick Gregory has passed away today. Gregory was the 1968 write-in candidate for POTUS of the Freedom & Peace Party (a split from the P&F Party of CA).

    Sad news. Good man. I met him briefly in DC in 2000. He signed my LP ballot access petition and we chatted for a few minutes.

    RIP.

  36. dL

    Given our current state of knowledge, yes. But it’s not impossible that “wormholes” or whatever other aspects of the universe could be discovered which changes those equations just as modern physics changes some of what we thought we knew using Newtonian physics.

    Actually, Einstein’s equations DO allow for time travel solutions for certain symmetric distributions of matter. No new discoveries needed. The ones I studied were the Van Stockum dust solution and the Tipler cylinder. These are classic fields for rotating cylindrical distributions of matter that yield a paradox of closed time-like curves. Theoretically, completely allowable under today’s laws of physics. The problem, however, is purely an engineering one: namely fabricating such a distribution from a stellar configuration. Not happening anytime soon. I would classify that type of engineering capability as a third millennium technology. One thing to also keep in mind: you cannot use a time machine to go back in time to any point before the time machine existed. So if one has dreams of going back to say the old west, one would have to discover an old pre-built alien machine lying around somewhere.

    Note: I did say the likely better bet was information time travel, or time-travel signaling, i.e, sending subatomic particles back in time. This would involve considerations of quantum mechanics. This is where your worm holes might come in. However, there is no consensus on quantum gravity, so there is no theoretical certainty on the possibility. The classical solutions are theoretically possible, but not feasible engineering-wise. The quantum solutions are more feasible engineering wise, but not theoretically certain. It is plausible that time signaling could be a viable 22nd century tech. This means for example, you could send next weeks stock prices to your inbox today. Keep in mind, though, the same restrictions would apply RE: sending anything back in time before the machine exists. So the fact that we see no evidence of it today does not invalidate the possibility of the thing itself existing in the future. Lastly, the same restrictions on changing history would apply to sending information back in time as it would to sending people. You cannot change history. The differential geometry of SpaceTime requires a 1-1 mapping between any local spacetime events and the pseudo-Euclidean 4-space.

  37. paulie

    Actually, Einstein’s equations DO allow for time travel solutions for certain symmetric distributions of matter.

    I was talking about “warp speed,” not time travel. To make bouncing around the galaxy as in Star Trek does not require time travel, just some sort of way to do what physics today tells us can’t be done and go faster than the speed of light. Granted there is some time travel in Star Trek as well but that’s a relatively minor part of the show.

  38. paulie

    So if one has dreams of going back to say the old west, one would have to discover an old pre-built alien machine lying around somewhere.

    Roswell, NM? Dunno. It’s at least possible, even if not likely, that some UFOs could be time machines. What people have always interpreted as gods or space aliens could be what humans evolve into in the future.

  39. NewFederalist

    “I was talking about “warp speed,” not time travel.” – paulie

    If you go back to the pilot (the one starring Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike) time is what they are warping. He gave an order to the helm in which he said “ahead time warp factor three” or something similar. By the time the series got picked up (and Hunter was no longer available so Shatner got the lead role) the orders to the helm no longer contained the word “time”. I do have an advanced degree in trivia! 😉

  40. paulie

    Trump and American History Have Been Assassinated

    Actually, Trump is the one assassinating history as well as present day reality with his ridiculous and outlandish pronouncements. He is severely mentally unhinged and should be removed from office on 25th amendment grounds before he kills us all.

  41. paulie

    Thanks for the correction, I did not know that. I think most warp-speed type scenarios in scifi have to do with “wormholes” through x-dimensional space. Whatever it is my point was that something like that could potentially be discovered in the future; just because we don’t know about it now does not mean it’s impossible. Life extension also has a lot of interesting possibilities.

    As for warping time, they were still moving forward in time (in most episodes), not back. So any of the logical dilemmas about traveling into the past don’t apply to fast-forward type time travel.

  42. NewFederalist

    As I recall in “Dune” the spice that was so coveted was for the purpose of warping time which allowed for travel in space over vast distances. Hey… I barely remember any algebra or geometry so what do I know? It’s all just entertainment to me! 🙂

  43. DJ

    paulie
    August 21, 2017 at 09:08

    Trump and American History Have Been Assassinated

    Actually, Trump is the one assassinating history as well as present day reality with his ridiculous and outlandish pronouncements. He is severely mentally unhinged and should be removed from office on 25th amendment grounds before he kills us all.
    ……………

    LOL

  44. DJ

    “But this is not enough for the liberal/progressive/left. They want Trump impeached and driven from office.”
    ………..

    paulie
    August 21, 2017 at 09:08

    Trump and American History Have Been Assassinated

    Actually, Trump is the one assassinating history as well as present day reality with his ridiculous and outlandish pronouncements. He is severely mentally unhinged and should be removed from office on 25th amendment grounds before he kills us all.
    …………….

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/21/trump-american-history-assassinated/

    In Atlanta they are talking about erasing the heads of the South’s generals carved into Stone Mountain. Mount Rushmore in South Dakota will be next. It has carved into it the heads of Washington, Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. All racists, and Roosevelt was a colonialist and imperialist to boot. Lincoln was the worst racist of all.

    Economist/historian Thomas DiLorenzo reminds us that “to his dying day, Lincoln was busy plotting the deportation of all the black people in America, including the soon-to-be-freed slaves.” https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/thomas-dilorenzo/next-target-blacklivesmatter/

    The following statements are all statements that are in Abe Lincoln’s Collected Works:

    “I have said that the separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation [of the white and black races] . . . Such separation . . . must be affected by colonization” [sending blacks to Liberia or Central America]. (Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln vol. II, p. 409).

    “Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and . . . favorable to . . . our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime.” (Collected Works, vol. II, p. 409).

    “I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people” (Collected Works, vol. III, pp. 145-146).
    ………….

    In 1861 the year the North invaded the South, President Lincoln said, “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so” (First Inaugural Address). In 1862 during the war, Lincoln wrote to Horace Greeley: “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it.”
    …………….

    What has Charlottesville taught us other than that the hate expressed by the liberal/progressive/left exceeds the hate expressed by the white nationalists themselves. When it comes to hate, the White Supremacists are out-gunned by the liberal/progressive/left.

    Hate is the hallmark of the American liberal/progressive/left, and hate always ends in violence.
    …………….

    Hate consumes, paulie, and clouds judgement.

  45. paulie

    Murray Rothbard on Tearing Down “Civil War” Statues

    In his 1994 essay,

    Ah yes, his senile period when he created the disastrous “paleo” strategy along with Lew Rockwell.

  46. paulie

    DJ,

    Thanks, I already know that the history of American racism was not limited to the South. Again you ignore the point that has been repeatedly made about when and why these particular statues were put up.

    What has Charlottesville taught us other than that the hate expressed by the liberal/progressive/left exceeds the hate expressed by the white nationalists themselves.

    Then why did 35 people from the anti-racist side end up in the hospital, almost half of them not from the racist’s vehicular assault? And why were zero racist/fascist side in the hospital? The fascists also reported zero property damage so who expressed more hate again? Keep in mind that the fascists threatened violence *before* Charlottesville happened and did exactly what they promised.

    You would also have to explain why there have been far, far more acts of terrorism by white supremacists in the US than by leftists in recent decades.

    Hate consumes, paulie, and clouds judgement.

    Then you should uncloud your judgment, DJ. Good luck with that.

  47. paulie

    LOL

    Nothing to laugh at, it’s a very serious predicament we are in with this lunatic with his small hands on the nuclear launch codes. Truly a menace to life on earth.

  48. Andy

    Libertarians working with the right is no worse than libertarians working with the left. Rothbard tried both approaches in his life, as well as working within the Libertarian Party.

  49. paulie

    He was at his worst when working with the far reich and at his best at other times. Unfortunately, he died during his idiotic alliance with the blood and soil types, freezing some of his supporters in that putrid mindframe.

  50. Tony From Long Island

    Paulie

    Actually, Trump is the one assassinating history as well as present day reality with his ridiculous and outlandish pronouncements. He is severely mentally unhinged and should be removed from office on 25th amendment grounds before he kills us all.

    That would require Mike Pence to develop a set of balls.

  51. DJ

    You would also have to explain why there have been far, far more acts of terrorism by white supremacists in the US than by leftists in recent decades.
    ……………

    I don’t have to explain anything, to anyone, especially a sanctimonious leftist pretending to be a libertarian.

  52. paulie

    That would require Mike Pence to develop a set of balls.

    Yes, and the cabinet. Alternatively, if the Democrats take congress, they could impeach and remove. But he could start a global war in the meantime so it would be better if it could be done more quickly than that. It’s conceivable that the Republican Congress could act, but far less likely.

  53. DJ

    “What has Charlottesville taught us other than that the hate expressed by the liberal/progressive/left exceeds the hate expressed by the white nationalists themselves. When it comes to hate, the White Supremacists are out-gunned by the liberal/progressive/left.”

    “Hate is the hallmark of the American liberal/progressive/left, and hate always ends in violence.”

  54. paulie

    I don’t have to explain anything, to anyone, especially a sanctimonious leftist pretending to be a libertarian.

    Well, that wouldn’t be me, since I am a 100/100 libertarian on the Nolan chart and have been for 25 years, score libertarian on all the other political tests I have ever seen, have been a 20+ year member and activist in the LP and a life member since 2000, have been on my state exec comm many times, on the LNC, etc, etc. But as for you, you don’t have to explain anything – you only need to do it if you want to somehow make any sense of your ridiculous and unsupported claims that fly in the face of all facts and logic.

  55. paulie

    DJ, quoting your disproven nonsense yet again does not make it any more true. You still have failed to reconcile it with the easily available facts. Thanks for proving that you have nothing but repetition to back up your absurd assertions.

  56. Tony From Long Island

    DJ

    I don’t have to explain anything, to anyone, especially a sanctimonious leftist pretending to be a libertarian.

    Is he talking to me? 🙂

  57. Tony From Long Island

    DJ

    “Hate is the hallmark of the American liberal/progressive/left, and hate always ends in violence.”

    I have not heard something this incredibly stupid since . . . .well his last post

  58. Tony From Long Island

    Paulie

    Yes, and the cabinet. Alternatively, if the Democrats take congress, they could impeach and remove. But he could start a global war in the meantime so it would be better if it could be done more quickly than that. It’s conceivable that the Republican Congress could act, but far less likely.

    He can’t be impeached for being a moronic narcissistic douchebag.

    Paulie, let me ask you this. Since you are as libertarian as it gets, did you call for the impeachment of Barack Obama? I know you dislike Trump as a human being, but disagree with him politically on a lot. I’m also sure you disagreed with President Obama on just about everything. What makes Trump different?

  59. Massimo

    There are different type of leftists and different types of rightists.

    Berneds and most Trumpers are seriously wrong, but at least they don’t want to kill me (well, Trumpsters might, as Paulie said, but at least not intentionally). I would not be so sure with nazis or Indian naxalites.

    But in the US, yes, those that might want to kill me are currently only on the right.

  60. paulie

    Is he talking to me?

    No, me. If DJ showed any capability for backing up anything he says with logic and evidence I would ask him what issues I want to make government bigger on, or keep it anywhere near as big as it is now. (Actual answer: none). Where do I advocate the initiation of force? Give me an example. How the fuck am I “pretending to be a libertarian” when I score 150-something out of 160 on Bryan Caplan’s anarcho-libertarian test? Or when I have spent literally tens of thousands of volunteer hours over the course of a quarter century for the LP on top of making it my job to get the party on the ballot? I have been active with the LP radical caucus since it restarted in 2006 and I was the one who created its main facebook page, I’ve been a delegate at 7 national LP conventions and have attended dozens of state conventions in multiple states, I have put up more articles here than anyone else in the history of this site, including about the LP and its candidates…and yet I’m “pretending to be a libertarian”? DJ has as much evidence for this ridiculous assertion as for any of his or her other drivel.

  61. paulie

    He can’t be impeached for being a moronic narcissistic douchebag.

    No, for high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Paulie, let me ask you this. Since you are as libertarian as it gets, did you call for the impeachment of Barack Obama?

    Yes, but I opposed the party making any statement about it because we did come out for the impeachment of Bill Clinton (not on the grounds he was actually impeached on) but failed to do so with Duhbya. However, according to the statement about Clinton, every modern president deserves impeachment, which I think is correct:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20030621023957/archive.lp.org/rel/19981221-Clinton.html

    What makes Trump different?

    That gets into the part where I would have to type way too much but emoluments, corruption, and collusion with a foreign regime as part of a RICO conspiracy all come to mind.

  62. Tony From Long Island

    1) I knew he was talking to you, but I am the only person who regular posts here who can even remotely be classified as a leftist 🙂

    2) I sorta had a feeling you were going to answer yes to the impeach Obama question. We agree on Trump being a douchebag. That’s good enough in my book!

    I won’t call for impeachment until there is something concrete. The 25th Amendment, however . . . .

  63. dL

    I was talking about “warp speed,” not time travel. To make bouncing around the galaxy as in Star Trek does not require time travel, just some sort of way to do what physics today tells us can’t be done and go faster than the speed of light. Granted there is some time travel in Star Trek as well but that’s a relatively minor part of the show.

    Um, I was never referring to Warp Drive, a completely different thing. Warp-drive was a black box device in the series that physicists later would try to give a scientific footing for. Einstein’s special relativity forbids anything traveling faster than C, so warp drive would have shrink the SpaceTime distances between 2 points as you traveled so that n*C would be an effective speed but still less than C in the locally warped space.

  64. paulie

    That gets into the part where I would have to type way too much but emoluments, corruption, and collusion with a foreign regime as part of a RICO conspiracy all come to mind.

    Obstruction of justice also comes to mind.

  65. wolfefan

    Hi Andy – Your link re: McCain and Ryan being paid by the Clinton Foundation would not open for me. (Actually, it crashes my browser.) Since it’s wikileaks, which are publicly available, could you go ahead and link to whatever primary source they provide? Thanks!

  66. NewFederalist

    “Opinions have varied on that one…” – dL

    I guess his place on the $2 bill could be in jeopardy! 😉

  67. Massimo

    It does not say that there are libertarians among this bunch of morons.

    Regarding the arrogance of giving “an ultimatum”, it reminds me the words of Rothbard: “No student ever occupied a Berlitz”. Universities should be fully private and people should pay for their own education. If they still want to behave like clowns, which I doubt, the universities should kick their asses out of campus and keep the advances they paid. If they don’t like it, they can always open their own university.

  68. Ad Hoc

    Over at http://reason.com/blog/ Jacob Sullum has the following quiz

    Donald Trump’s 10 Theses: A Phoenix Rally Quiz
    See if you know what’s on the president’s mind.

    1. What don’t the fake media want to talk about?

    a) anarchists

    b) crimes committed by illegal immigrants

    c) Barack Obama’s birthplace

    d) the link between vaccination and autism


    2. Where does Donald Trump draw the line?

    a) grabbing women’s genitals

    b) driving an old lady from her home to make room for a casino parking lot

    c) mocking disabled people

    d) attacking the decency of his supporters


    3. Who is trying to take away our history and our heritage?

    a) the elites

    b) the crooked media

    c) anarchists

    d) Mexicans


    4. How is Donald Trump better than the elite?

    a) He went to better schools.

    b) He was a better student.

    c) He lives in a bigger, more beautiful apartment.

    d) all of the above


    5. What doesn’t Donald Trump understand?

    a) comparative advantage

    b) how clean coal works

    c) how a bill becomes a law

    d) why the fake news and the crooked media don’t want America to be great again


    6. Who is putting all of America’s safety at risk?

    a) dishonest journalists

    b) Democrats

    c) anarchists

    d) neo-Nazis


    7. Who doesn’t like our country?

    a) Islamic terrorists

    b) anarchists

    c) dishonest journalists

    d) Kim Jong-un


    8. What strikes at the heart of America?

    a) foreign interference in presidential elections

    b) North Korean missiles

    c) what happened in Charlottesville

    d) too much LDL cholesterol


    9. Who is the source of the division in our country?

    a) the fake news and the crooked media

    b) neo-Nazis

    c) anarchists

    d) demagogic politicians


    10. What is it time for all of us to remember?

    a) We are all on the same team.

    b) We are all Americans.

    c) We all believe right now in America first.

    d) all of the above

    Answers at http://reason.com/blog/2017/08/24/donald-trumps-10-theses-a-phoenix-rally#fold

  69. Tony From Long Island

    DJ

    Why have the tragic events of Charlottesville transformed so many people into irresponsible, violent, censorious, and hysterical lunatics?

    Because Neo-Nazis, white supremacists and White nationalists are pure scum bags. Even a hint of giving them social acceptance or legitimacy is a national embarrassment.

  70. Anthony Dlugos

    If you think the accuracy of a statement is the only factor that goes into whether or not a political party…not a partisan news website like the HuffPost…should tweet out said statement, you understand nothing about what it takes to be a successful political party.

    Here’s a hint: the realization that the tweet was going to be misconstrued, deliberately or otherwise, is why it doesn’t get tweeted out in the first place.

    A dimwit could foresee that the tweet was going to have to be deleted and apologized for.

  71. dL

    If you think the accuracy of a statement is the only factor that goes into whether or not a political party…not a partisan news website like the HuffPost…should tweet out said statement, you understand nothing about what it takes to be a successful political party.

    I have a mocking contempt for the position that truth must subjugated to the optics of Townhall.com. And you might want try a bit more humility in flapping who or who may not be qualified to assess “successful marketing strategies.”

  72. Tony From Long Island

    So, dL, you think that someone would read that tweet and thing “Wow! I have to take a look at the LP now!” You think that tweet would gain converts? C’mon man!

  73. Anthony Dlugos

    OK, my bad.

    I guess we can expect more even-handed treatment by our competitors from the dinosaur parties. They do seem to refrain from trying to mangle their opponents’ statements in any way possible in order to gain an edge.

    We can also expect voters not lose the message of marijuana decriminalization in the surefire deluge of commenting coming from ALL vectors, not just TownHall, that the Libertarian Party had kind words to say about North Korea.

    I don’t know jack about marketing strategies myself. All I know for sure is that the tweets were all deleted, the LP of NH disavowed them, and, had this gone out from one of the dinosaur parties, the tweets would have been deleted even quicker and heads would have rolled.

  74. Anthony Dlugos

    Tony,

    Not that I would approve of an LP press release that made such a comparison, but at least a press release would have the advantage of a longer space for explanation. It would still be totally unadvisable, but maybe I could see someone trying.

    The fact that it was Twitter makes it even worse. The fact that the tweet was made in the current context of sabre rattling between the US and North Korea…all I can do is shake my head at how brain dead dumb that is.

  75. Ad Hoc

    Heads did in fact “roll.” All the volunteers who were signed up to post as “LP” on twitter had their passwords taken away from them, and that tweet played a major role in the LNC’s decision to put all social media under the thumb of approval from paid staff before anything whatsoever goes out, which will be a problem in the other direction especially on extremely fast moving media like twitter, instagram and snapchat where people expect an immediate reaction if you want to be relevant.

  76. dL

    So, dL, you think that someone would read that tweet and thing “Wow! I have to take a look at the LP now!” You think that tweet would gain converts? C’mon man!

    I’m primarily interested in the policy being changed. LP optics are secondary, particularly when it comes to the feelings of the snowflakes at Townhall who are always going to be perpetually outraged at anything that doesn’t pay tribute to the idea that America is not the greatest, bestest, #1 country in the history of the recorded, visible universe.

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  78. paulie

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/08/25/trumps-pardon-of-former-sheriff-joe-arpa

    Trump Pardons America’s Worst Lawman, Sheriff Joe Arpaio
    The notorious former Maricopa County, Arizona, sheriff was held in contempt by a federal judge.
    C.J. Ciaramella|August 25, 2017 8:41 pm

    Donald Trump pardoned former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Friday, using the first official pardon of his presidency to clear the record of one of America’s most abusive, racist, and divisive lawmen.

    In pardoning Arpaio, Trump has given a free pass to an unrepentant and habitual abuser of power, a man with insufficient regard for the Constitution he swore to uphold or the separation of powers it enshrines. The move should come as no surprise. The two are kindred spirits.

    A federal judge found Arpaio, who was notorious for jailing inmates in a sweltering desert tent camp, in contempt of court in July for flouting a 2011 order to stop the unconstitutional racial profiling and detainment of Latino residents.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/08/23/joe-arpaio-thanks-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-getting-his-story-donald-trump-who-reportedly/217740

    Arpaio thanks Alex Jones for this.

    May all three of them rot.

  79. dL

    Corsi, Arpaio and Alex Jones.

    Talk about the Three Stooges.

    I note: the same stooges, along with their acolytes, who were the ones primarily offended by the LP social media posts.

  80. paulie

    Also, Trump’s next head of the new Roundup, Internment and Deportation Force. With Arpaio as Homeland Security Minister and Alex Jones as Minister of Propaganda. Or shuffle those positions around between the three of them.

  81. Andy

    Paul said: “Arpaio thanks Alex Jones for this.

    May all three of them rot.”

    I don’t think that it is fair to lump Alex Jones in with Donald Trump and Joe Arpaio. Alex Jones has vocally opposed the War on Drugs, and he has promoted jury nullification of victimless crimes, and the big prison complex, as well as many other pro-liberty issues (he has also been one of the few media outlets to provide coverage to Libertarian Party candidates, and he endorsed Michael Badnarik for President in 2004, and Gary Johnson in 2012, although he spoke against Johnson in 2016, but that was only after Johnson’s true nature had already come out).

    There’s an expression that goes, “Politics makes strange bedfellows.” Alex Jones never supported any mainstream candidates until Donald Trump came around, and the only reason he supported Trump was as a way to block Hillary Clinton, who he saw as being worse than Trump (whether he is or is not, it can’t be denied by anyone with any credibility that Hillary was a terrible candidate). Alex Jones has hated the Clinton since he got active in politics in the 1990’s. Alex initially supported Rand Paul in the Republican primaries. He only switched to Trump after Rand’s campaign crashed and burned.

    I generally disagree with Joe Arpaio, and I would go so far as calling him a net negative for liberty, but I’ve heard that he’s decent on gun rights (he did not stop libertarians from doing open carry protests, including when libertarians open carried assault rifles during a protest in front of a venue where Obama was speaking), and I agreed with him for doing an investigation into Barack Obama’s birth certificate (which they did prove was forged; Alex leans towards the theory that Barack Obama is really the son of communist activist, Frank Marshall Davis, and that the story about the Obama guy from Kenya was meant to cover this up, and this means that Barack is a natural born citizen, but that Obama likely gave up his American citizenship and became a citizen of Indonesia, when his mother married an Indonesian man, and they moved to Indonesia). Regardless of who Barack Obama’s real father is, I think that it is now clearly apparent that the birth certificate he has made public is a forgery. Some of you out there may think that this is not an important issue, but if Barack Obama was put on trial for this, he, and whoever assisted him in this act of fraud, would got to prison, and every piece of legislation that Barack Obama signed as President would be declared null and void. If this were to happen (although I know that it is unlikely), the fact that it would repeal Obamacare (aka-The Affordable Care Act) would make it worthwhile.

    So even though I agree that there are plenty of things wrong with Joe Arpaio, and there are certainly legitimate grounds for him to have been removed from office (he’s a hardcore drug warrior, and the conditions of his jail, in which over half the people there are in for victimless crimes, by his own admission, are bad), I am glad he investigated Obama’s birth certificate. This does not mean that I support him, I think that every government official who violates the Constitution should go to prison, including Sheriff Joe. I’m just saying that sometimes you can find areas of agreement even with people whom you have lots of disagreements. I could probably find common ground with Bernie Sanders on some issues, but this does not mean that I support Bernie Sanders, because I do not.

    I’d say that Alex Jones has been a net positive for liberty, and I’d say by a wide margin. I don’t agree with the Trump strategy which he has been employing, but I can see why he has done it, and in all fairness, he has admitted that he does not agree with Donald Trump on everything, and he and his staff have made critical comments about several things that the Trump administration has done (the missile attack on Syria, saying that Edward Snowden is a traitor who should be executed, and Trump’s Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, saying he wants to increase civil asset forfeitures, for just a few examples).

    If Rand Paul had run a more aggressive, bold, pro-liberty campaign, it is possible that Trump never would have been nominated. If the Libertarian Party had not been in such bad shape, and had not screwed up so many opportunities, like nominating Johnson/Weld in 2016, it is possible that Alex Jones would have gotten behind a Libertarian Party ticket last year. Alex Jones is friendly with John McAfee, who has been on his show several times, and I know that Alex and John went to a shooting range together one time. Perhaps if McAfee had gone straight to the LP when he decided to run for President, instead of goofing around with that Cyber Party idea, maybe McAfee would have won the nomination last year, and Alex Jones and his staff may have gotten behind McAfee, or at least given McAfee a lot of coverage after he got nominated. If the LP had been in better shape, maybe the party would have attracted better candidates. Maybe Andrew Napolitano (who has been on The Alex Jones Show, and who Alex supports) would have been a candidate, or maybe somebody else who was better. The bottom line is that the Libertarian Party does not have its act together, and the party has nominated unprincipled candidates in the last three presidential nominating conventions. Alex Jones made positive comments in the past about Harry Browne (I’m not sure if he ever endorsed him, but he did interview him, and he did like him), and he endorsed Michael Badnarik, and he had Michael Badnarik on his show multiple times. Alex Jones knew that Bob Barr was a phony, so he never endorsed him. He gave Gary Johnson the benefit of the doubt in 2012, and he endorsed him, but he did not endorse him in 2016 for the same reasons that a lot of people who post here at IPR criticized Johnson. Alex may have support Darrell Castle for President last year, but the Constitution Party did not have ballot access in Alex’s home state of Texas, and Castle only qualified for the ballot in 24 states, so he was not a viable option. Alex thought that stopping Hillary Clinton was the priority last year, so he supported Trump (and regardless of Trump’s demerits, he has been opposed by some in the establishment).

    I’m not a “throw the baby out with the bathwater” guy, so I can disagree with somebody, and still support them, if I generally agree with them. I think that Alex Jones and his staff are still doing a lot of good work even though I disagree with Alex on his Trump strategy. Alex Jones has done a hell of a lot for liberty over the years, and I’d have a hard time coming up with a list of people who’ve done as much or more than he has.

  82. Andy

    Alex Jones opposed the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He opposed the Patriot Act. He opposed the creation of the TSA and the Department of Homeland Security. He opposed the Military Commissions Act. He support Ron Paul’s runs for the Republican presidential nomination, and he was one of the primary people behind making the Ron Paul money bombs a big success. He has exposed numerous instances of the police violating people’s rights and engaging in corruption. He opposed Eminent Domain abuse. He has exposed numerous instances of people in government lying and engaging in conspiracies, from Waco and Ruby Ridge, to the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11, to etc… He is one of the few people who have a media operation to expose one of the biggest issues about which hardly anyone speaks, in government Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports, which are the second set of books that government entities keep which shows the true net asset holdings of government (he interviewed Walter Burien, who is a leading authority on this issue, several times, and even released a video with him on this subject back in the early 2000’s). He has exposed the Federal Reserve System and he promoted and took part in the End The Federal Reserve rallies that took place a few years ago. He exposed the income tax as a fraud, and he interviewed people like Aaron Russo, and former IRS agents who now speak out against the IRS in Joe Bannister and Sherry Peal Jackson. He has been a strong advocate for gun rights, and he has encouraged people to stock up on guns and ammo. He has supported home the home schooling movement. Alex Jones has been at the forefront of exposing illegal government spying programs, and he was talking about the NSA spying on people’s phone calls and emails well before the Edward Snowden revelations, and Alex has said that Snowden is a hero who should be invited back to the USA and given a medal.

    One of the most important thing that Alex Jones has done is that he has inspired a lot of people to get active in the liberty movement.

    I can tell you this, whenever I encounter anyone who is an Alex Jones fan when I’m gathering petition signatures, they almost always sign my petition(s). They area also far more “awake” and interested in liberty than the average person.

  83. Andy

    ” and the big prison complex,”

    Should read, “and opposed the big prison complex.”

  84. paulie

    Joe Arpaio has been flouting the rule of law for decades. Many people have died unaccountably in his jails. Many more others were tortured, maimed and raped. Including many children. His thugs routinely put Latino Americans in custody until they could prove their “legal” status in the US. Some of these people were US citizens. After a judge ordered Arpaio to stop he kept doing it for years, which is how he earned his contempt of court citation.

    Custody in his jails meant broiling in the Arizona summer heat in tents, routine humiliation, being subject without consent to reich wing political propaganda, and routine violence. Rape and beatings by both guards and inmates were common. Inmates, including women and children, were put on webcams in toilets and showers and the web addresses leaked out to the online pervert community. After this was brought to the Sheriffs Department’s attention they did nothing to stop it.

    The county settled so many wrongful death suits that its insurance was hiked up by millions of dollars a year all at the expense of ordinary Maricopa County taxpayers. Arpaio even had newspaper reporters jailed just for investigating him.

    The people being subjected to this horrible and inhumane treatment, unsanitary conditions, literally rotten food and lack of adequate medical care, included, as in county jails all over the US, a high percentage of people who were not convicted of anything at all, and only there because they did not have the money and connections to get bailed out or were denied bail. They included many people who broke “laws” without victims that should not have been laws in the first place. They included many people who were wrongly convicted as well. All subject to this hell on earth.

    It takes a hell of a lot for any cop to be convicted of anything in this country, far more especially so the infamous long time sheriff of one of the nation’s largest counties. It was justice long delayed, and now it has been denied thanks to Drumpf. And one of the voices pushing Drumpf the most strongly to pardon this scumbag – the one that the scumbag himself credits the most – was Alex Jones (along with many of his loyal followers).

    So once again, may all three of them rot for this rotten thing they did, preferably somewhere even less pleasant than Sheriff Joe’s jails, for as long as possible.

  85. Bondurant

    @ Andy

    You give Arpaio too much credit. He was good on gun laws because AZ has good gun laws. The Phoenix PD had command of the Obama rally. The Phoenix PD also told TSA to fuck off when they wanted armed TSA protesters booted from Sky Harbor.

    Joe is a douche and has no redeemable qualities save for not being immortal and will depart this mortal coil.

  86. Andy

    “Bondurant
    August 26, 2017 at 09:08
    @ Andy

    You give Arpaio too much credit. He was good on gun laws because AZ has good gun laws. The Phoenix PD had command of the Obama rally. The Phoenix PD also told TSA to fuck off when they wanted armed TSA protesters booted from Sky Harbor.”

    I have heard Arpaio claim that he supports gun rights. He could be lying, but I’m just going by what he said.

    “Joe is a douche and has no redeemable qualities save for not being immortal and will depart this mortal coil.”

    I agree that there are major problems with the guy, but I am still glad that he launched that investigation into Barack Obama’s birth certificate, because his investigation proved that it was forged. I’d be willing to bet that you and I could go through the ranks of Congress, and find people who have overall bad records who still voted the same way you or I would have voted on one or more bills. This would not mean that we support them, or that we think that they are good people. You can generally find common ground with most people on something.

  87. paulie

    Jeez, I’m so glad I skip a lot of Andy’s TL;DR posts now. I missed that one. Was he really defending scumbag Arpaio? I expected him to defend Alex Jones, of course, but that’s just …ugh.

  88. paulie

    Well that one was short enough to read, unfortunately

    I have heard Arpaio claim that he supports gun rights. He could be lying, but I’m just going by what he said.

    Yes, and Adolf Hitler loved puppies and children.

    I am still glad that he launched that investigation into Barack Obama’s birth certificate, because his investigation proved that it was forged.

    That’s ridiculous. The whole racist birther crap is embarrassing, and the only thing Arpaio’s “investigation” proved was that he was good at frivolously wasting tax money while skimping on basic necessities for human beings warehoused in his gulag.

    Pardoning this slimeball was an all time new low, even for Drumpf (although of course we haven’t even begun the scraping of hitherto unknown depths with this naked emperor), and anyone who played any role in that – including the very key role that scumbag Arpaio himself credits him with, Alex Jones – should be deeply shamed and ashamed for that.

  89. Anthony Dlugos

    Andy’s defense of Arpaio was word salad subterfuge designed to hide the erection he gets from Joe’s treatment of undocumented workers.

    It’s like when I tell people I watch the Faux News ladies for their opinions on current events.

  90. George Phillies

    To change the topic

    There was a retrial of some of the Bundy defendants. The jury again refused to convict.

    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/08/23/federal-government-repudiated-jurors-bundy-re-trial/

    All four defense attorneys declined Aug. 15 to make closing arguments.
    It is to put it mildly a bit unusual for the defending attorneys to object to the conduct of the trial by refusing to offer closing arguments, but that is what happened. The issue was the conduct of the jduge.

  91. paulie

    This should stimulate some lively discussion around here!

    Meh. It pales in comparison to his more recent articles about “zionists” drinking the blood of Christian babies.

  92. Just Some Random Guy

    http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3640/In-Defense-of-Lee-And-Jackson.aspx

    This should stimulate some lively discussion around here!

    As is typical with Chuck Baldwin articles, it is a handful of decent points surrounded by exaggerations, fabrications, and ignoring anything that doesn’t fit his predetermined narrative. For example:

    “People also say that Lincoln freed the slaves. Lincoln did not free a single slave…. His so-called Emancipation Proclamation had no authority in the Southern states, as they had separated into another country. Lincoln had no more authority to issue a proclamation in the CSA than the British Crown has authority to issue a proclamation in the states of the USA today… The institution of slavery did not end until the 13th Amendment was ratified on December 6, 1865.”

    At the time it was given, the Emancipation Proclamation DID have authority in some of the Southern states, as the Union army had captured them (or at least parts of them) and therefore freed the slaves there. And as the army continued to advance and capture more areas, slaves were freed in those areas also. So this claim by Chuck Baldwin is blatantly false.

    As for the mention of the Thirteenth Amendment, he ignores the fact that Lincoln did advocate strongly in favor of it while he was alive.

    Another example:

    “Had the South wanted to take over Washington, D.C., they could have done so with the very first battle of the “Civil War.” When Lincoln ordered federal troops to invade Virginia in the First Battle of Manassas (called the “First Battle of Bull Run” by the North), Confederate troops sent the Yankees running for their lives all the way back to Washington. Had the Confederates pursued them, they could have easily taken the city of Washington, D.C., seized Abraham Lincoln, and in all likelihood ended the war before it really began. But General Beauregard and the other leaders of the Confederacy had no intention of fighting an aggressive war against the North.”

    Their reason for not pursuing was not, as Chuck Baldwin would have you believe, a desire to not invade the North (I believe Jefferson Davis wanted them to pursue), but instead the practical fact their army was in poor shape after the battle and an attempted pursuit wouldn’t have worked. But that doesn’t fit his narrative, so of course he ignores it.

  93. George Phillies

    There was also the minor difficulty that you can take ocean going ships up the Potomac to DC, so the Union Navy could have put a great deal of artillery fire in the way. Also, the Potomac is wide, and even a few troops can effectively resist a crossing. There was a Union rear guard that stopped a weak Confederate pursuit. Finally, within a few days the Pennsylvania reserves, a force as almost as large as the force actually engaged, would have arrived in DC.

    In addition, there is no particular reason to suppose that the Republic would have surrendered because the Confederates captures a malaria swamp with a few marble buildings in the center.

  94. DJ

    Just an FYI.

    I live just north and west of Houston. This is going to take months if not years to get over.

    On the bright side, neighbors are helping neighbors and one of our local businessmen “Mattress mack” (Jim Mcingvale) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McIngvale has opened his 2 stores to anyone needing a place to stay. All the major agencies are here and receiving praise for their diligence. The TV reporters are working long hours. The city is all but shut down. Sink holes have occurred on a major thoroughfare in the south west. I heard the flood management district this morning say they had calculated like 265 Billion gallons of water had fallen, and it’s not expected to even slow down til next week. Then the recession of the water will take days maybe a couple weeks. We’ve had “officially” 20in of rain (in places) in just 48 hrs. Dozens and dozens of tornadoes. All major thoroughfares have been and many still are shut down.
    Boats, jet skis, flat bottom boats, helicopters, 4wd pickups, 5 ton military trucks are all being utilized to get people to a safe place. There are (according to the mayor) 6 1/2 million people in Harris county.

    Nothing like this has ever happened here (in our life time). I’ve lived here since 69 and never seen this and I remember when Alvin (south east of Houston a few miles) got 45in in 24 hrs, but that was just one area about 1/100th (if that) the size of Houston. The 20in we’ve had is ALL over.

    Next few days will be interesting for sure.

  95. Anthony Dlugos

    Thanks for the clarifying info on the Civil War, folks. The Confederate apologists always seem to leave pertinent info out of their analysis. I wonder why? (although I agree with paulie this latest Baldwin article was merely hackneyed Civil War revisionism, not the unsettling anti-Semitism he previously revealed.

  96. Anthony Dlugos

    Those are sobering images coming out of southeast Texas, for sure.

    I can’t imagine having to deal with going from normalcy to my entire community…homes and all…being submerged under a few feet of water in just a few days.

  97. paulie

    I agree with paulie this latest Baldwin article was merely hackneyed Civil War revisionism, not the unsettling anti-Semitism he previously revealed.

    He publishes the Lee and Jackson fan fiction every year. I don’t think it’s changed much from year to year, if at all. The anti-semitism is also not all that new but definitely more recent than his Lost Cause mishuggas.

  98. paulie

    Those are sobering images coming out of southeast Texas, for sure.

    I can’t imagine having to deal with going from normalcy to my entire community…homes and all…being submerged under a few feet of water in just a few days.

    Whatever my problems are I am thankful I am not down there right now. I think we will be seeing more of this kind of stuff as part of global climate destabilization.

  99. DJ

    Ruby Ridge lessons for fighting right-wing extremism

    When the government tries to squash anti-American ideas it doesn’t like, the results are often destructive of American ideals.
    ………..

    An Idaho jury found Weaver innocent of almost all charges and ruled that the shooting of the U.S. marshal was self-defense.

    Federal Judge Edward Lodge released a lengthy list detailing the Justice Department’s and FBI’s misconduct and fabrication of evidence in the case.

    After an elaborate coverup unraveled (a top FBI official was sent to prison for destroying key evidence), the feds in 1995 paid the Weaver family $3.1 million to settle their wrongful death lawsuit. This was not simply a right-wing cause: the American Civil Liberties Union was in the forefront of condemning federal misconduct at Ruby Ridge.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/28/ruby-ridge-lessons-fighting-extremism-james-bovard-column/593539001/

  100. paulie

    Ruby Ridge lessons for fighting right-wing extremism

    When the government tries to squash anti-American ideas it doesn’t like, the results are often destructive of American ideals.

    I remember Ruby Ridge and I agree. And it applies equally to every type of extremism, not just right wing. As I have said all along I am all in favor of fascists being able to speak, publish and gather peacefully. What I am not in favor of:

    * Fascists threatening violence as part of their gathering, then proceeding to carry it out

    * Claims that the violence was equal on the fascist and antifascist side when it most clearly was not

    * The idea that “lots of good people” marched side by side with Klansmen, swastika wielding nazis et al

    * The idea that they have some sort of right to not have counterprotesters on the same terms as are applied to them

    * Monuments to slaveholders’ rebellion that were put on public land as a symbol of white supremacy and segregation decades after that rebellion and continue to be maintained by government

    * Government statues in general. Move them all to museums and private property.

  101. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    My husband’s family lives in Brazoria County. His parents evacuated, but everyone else stayed put. My niece’s apartment building has experienced flooding, although they aren’t on the ground floor. No one has been able to report on his parents’ place.

    I’ve also worked in insurance my entire life. I don’t work claims, but I’ve had direct contact with people who work disaster areas. In my opinion, this is a disaster unlike anything this country has ever seen, and will overwhelm anything the government can do to make life liveable for thousands (if not millions) of people.

    We ain’t seen nothin’ yet, folks.

  102. paulie

    My husband’s family lives in Brazoria County. His parents evacuated, but everyone else stayed put. My niece’s apartment building has experienced flooding, although they aren’t on the ground floor. No one has been able to report on his parents’ place.

    I hope they are all OK.

    I’ve also worked in insurance my entire life. I don’t work claims, but I’ve had direct contact with people who work disaster areas. In my opinion, this is a disaster unlike anything this country has ever seen, and will overwhelm anything the government can do to make life liveable for thousands (if not millions) of people.

    We ain’t seen nothin’ yet, folks.

    I think unfortunately you are correct, with many more others to come.

  103. Anthony Dlugos

    “Other planned attendees included Augustus Invictus, a Florida-based white supremacist who attended a torch-lit rally in Charlottesville, Va., according to the Anti-Defamation League. Invictus was not seen Sunday either…”

    cowardly republican.

  104. paulie

    Saints on the left

    Yeah, nobody said that. When they destroy property and punch people that should be condemned. But yet again they have not killed anyone, unlike the white supremacists who do kill people frequently. The last time leftist terrorists killed a lot of people in the US was in the 1970s. So yes, there is a big difference between the two.

  105. DJ

    ” When they destroy property and punch people that should be condemned. ”

    Should be and will be “there is a big difference between the two.
    ……..

    “The last time leftist terrorists killed a lot of people in the US was in the 1970s.”
    ………..

    LOL, so we should forgive and forget, right? Or is there a time line involved?

  106. paulie

    Something that stopped being true 40 years ago is less relevant than something still happening frequently now. Does that actually have to be explained?

  107. DJ

    “Something that stopped being true 40 years ago is less relevant than something still happening frequently now. Does that actually have to be explained?”
    …………..

    Statues, flags.

    Trying to erase History and force others to conform to a politically correct mantra is egregious no matter who does it, including stupid kids and leftist activist whose only purpose is to agitate/provoke.

    Putting out another’s light doesn’t make your’s shine brighter.

    That’s a saying I saw on a church bill board about 20 years ago. Maybe, just maybe, if the idiot kids “counter protesting” (LOL) had some semblance of intelligence and exercised the desired intelligence as opposed to carrying someone else’s water and whining about crap they have no clue about none of this would have happened. But, attention starved kids (likely being paid for their energy) don’t have a clue.

  108. paulie

    Trying to erase History

    There you go again. Moving it to museums and private property is not erasing history. It didn’t erase history when statues of Communist dictators, nazis, Saddam Hussein, etc came down. The history is well preserved and taught to succeeding generations in those countries today. If you are a scholar or just a lay reader of history you can study it in any detail you wish. It’s never been easier to do historical research than it is today.

    Putting out another’s light doesn’t make your’s shine brighter.

    Who’s doing the killing? Focus on that.

    “counter protesting” (LOL)

    The right to counterprotest is just as important as the right to protest. I’ve protested against racists before. Their ideology is vile and they deserve it. Neither side should be damaging property or punching people but it’s clear which side is by far the more violent; it’s not even close.

  109. DJ

    LOL…. can’t make this shit up. I think the title is misleading, but, the article is hilarious of the tolerant leftists.

    Brent Musburger on USC Trojans ‘White Supremacy’ Horse Mascot Traveler: ‘I’m Very Upset’

    USC Black Student Assembly co-director Sophia Jackson pointed out that Traveler’s name is similar to that of the horse Confederate General Robert E. Lee rode.

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/08/28/brent-musburger-on-usc-trojans-white-supremacy-horse-mascot-traveler-im-very-upset/

  110. Andy

    There is ample evidence that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is indeed forged. Nothing ridiculous about it. This is at the point where the people denying/doubting it are the one being ridiculous. Barack’s family has CIA connections, and he was groomed and installed as President.

  111. DJ

    Black Student Assembly: USC Equine Mascot Possibly Racist

    The Black Student Assembly (BSA) at USC claims the school’s equine mascot, Traveler, could have ties to racist ideology.

    BSA bases this claim on the fact that Confederate General Robert E. Lee’s favorite horse was named Traveller.

    According to the Los Angeles Times, BSA co-director Sophia Jackson asked that students not be quiet about the possible racist overtones. Rather, she would have them remember “white supremacy hits close to home.”

    The tradition of the “chalk-white Arabian horse” mascot began 56 years ago when Richard Saukko rode one named Traveler around the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. Traveler was a former movie horse that had “turned mean,” allowing Saukko to acquire him cheaply. And from that first ride 56-years ago till now, a horse named Traveler has been a USC staple.

    Richard Saukko died in 1992, but the LA Times contacted his widow about the current claims of racism. Saukko’s former wife said, “The problem is this: maybe three weeks ago it was fine. So now the flavor of the day is…we all have to be in hysteria…It’s more of a political issue. The horse isn’t political and neither am I.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/08/19/black-student-assembly-usc-equine-mascot-possibly-racist/

  112. DJ

    ” Trying to erase History

    There you go again. Moving it to museums and private property is not erasing history.”
    …………

    Tell that to your buddies, the saints on the left, demanding they be torn down or defaced.

    LOL….. keep digging your hole deeper, you’ll never get out.
    ……………

    The right to counterprotest is just as important as the right to protest. I’ve protested against racists before. Their ideology is vile and they deserve it. Neither side should be damaging property or punching people but it’s clear which side is by far the more violent; it’s not even close.
    ………….

    It isn’t clear to me. What I see is “counter protesters” acting like attention starved kids, and likely paid for their energy, not their intellect for damn sure.

    I’ll presume your take on the statues is life long. Their’s is short lived and I’ll bet you 9 out of 10 of them don’t have a clue about anything they’re “protesting”. All they know is to do what they’re told by their handlers. The media is complicit in their “reporting” and refuses to acknowledge the thugs on the left “provoke” others and whine when they’re retaliated against.

    And my beliefs are stated from someone who has pointed out the arrogance of anglo saxons for years, (especially our ancestors and their Manifest Destiny, the only good Indian is a dead Indian bullshit and instances like the Thibodaux Massacre….. no, I don’t condone racism, but, I don’t condone ignorant kids acting like they’re special either).
    The difference being; I KNOW what I’m talking about, they don’t. They haven’t lived long enough, or read enough to know shit from shinola, never mind History, or anything that has to do with the past anywhere. They’re a bunch of no nothing’s showing their ignorance, goaded on by the ignorance of the media looking for something/anything they can draw attention for, just like the “counter protesters”.

  113. DJ

    Andy
    August 28, 2017 at 19:10

    There is ample evidence that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is indeed forged.
    …………..

    That’s impossible, the media never reported it that way, so, we’re all racists.

  114. paulie

    demanding they be torn down or defaced.

    As far as I know the demand is only that they be moved off public property. If anyone is objecting to historical displays in museums or on private property, I don’t agree with them. And just because one side of the issue is a lot less violent than the other doesn’t mean they are “saints.”

    As for why people protest; there are people who know a fair bit of history who are young, and not all of them are young. There are also ignorant people of all ages, and there were many of those on display on the fascist side as well.

  115. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    There is ample evidence that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is indeed forged.

    I agree. The issue is a non-starter, though, and nothing will ever come of it. That’s the same thing I say about the Trump/Russia nonsense, actually. Nothing will ever come of it.

  116. paulie

    Trump/Russia nonsense, actually. Nothing will ever come of it.

    Gotta most strongly disagree with you there. Nothing could be further from the truth. But it’s late and I gotta get some sleep.

  117. Anthony Dlugos

    “FULL video proof that Obama’s birth certificate was fake. Document comparison, analysis.”

    lol. Troofer.

  118. paulie

    lol. burfer. 😛

    Seriously, all these birther allegations have been debunked more times than anyone can count. Snopes for starters, and their research is reproducible.

  119. Anthony Dlugos

    The irony here is that it was a Burfer (granted, a pro-Hillary Burfer) who actually found the newspaper listing announcing the future President Obama’s birth:

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

    “In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

    The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama “likely” was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

    Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.”

  120. George Phillies

    For quality hats, use REAL TIN. Aluminum foil has the wrong properties with respect to eloptic* radiation and N-Rays.*

    *I didn’t make that them up, but they are both wrong.

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