Libertarian Party Mises Caucus: ‘Taking Over The Libertarian Party With Michael Heise’

18 thoughts on “Libertarian Party Mises Caucus: ‘Taking Over The Libertarian Party With Michael Heise’

  1. Thomas L. Knapp

    Summary of first ten minutes: “My authoritarian Republican candidate of choice lost the 2016 primary, so now I’m here to lecture the Libertarian Party about staying pure and sticking with the non-aggression principle.”

  2. Thomas L. Knapp

    Actually, that section is more nuanced than I expected — in effect, Heise is channeling Gary Johnson, rather than Hoppe, on immigration.

    But it is Hoppean to the extent that it’s “Non-Aggression Principle, people! Non-Aggression Principle, NAP, NAP, NAP … except hey, folks, we need to ignore the NAP or at least try to gin up a way around it to get what we want on this one issue.”

  3. dL

    I only get mad once. Then I move on.

    Momentary vigilance sounds about right RE: the kind of resistance the shiny badge caucus would throw up…

  4. paulie

    And from my conversation with Chris Lesiak on the Open Thread this morning:

    it would be a good idea for white nationalists to migrate to the GOP or alternatively the American Freedom Party. The Libertarian Party is not a good place for any white nationalist because white nationalists tend to be focused on group solidarity or what some would call a form of collectivism – advocating for the interests of a very specific group of people, whites – while Libertarians are focused on individualism.

    It’s good to know we can still agree on some things.

  5. Anthony Dlugos

    “Momentary vigilance sounds about right RE: the kind of resistance the shiny badge caucus would throw up…”

    what point is there in staying upset with a group of people stupid enough to think something called the “Mises Caucus” has any legs in the arena of electoral politics. Even a victory would be temporary unless they made the party a strictly private organization, with entry allowed only to the Mises-worthy.

  6. dL

    advocating for the interests of a very specific group of people, whites – while Libertarians are focused on individualism.

    That premise is no longer valid if, say, the LP is actually focused on collecting GOP shiny badges. In that event, it is ripe for takeover, and the resistance of the shiny badge caucus will fold faster than a cheap pop-up tent.

  7. dL

    what point is there in staying upset with a group of people stupid enough to think something called the “Mises Caucus” has any legs in the arena of electoral politics. Even a victory would be temporary unless they made the party a strictly private organization, with entry allowed only to the Mises-worthy.

    Your original quote didn’t say the Mises Caucus was a threat to have legs in electoral politics. You said it was a threat to the LP and the libertarian movement. The Mises Caucus or the HoppeBots are not necessarily motivated by electoral politics. They simply could be motivated by capturing the LP to use it as a platform to associate libertarianism w/ Hoppean ethnocentrism.

  8. Anthony Dlugos

    But I am indicating that I blew off some steam there and now I laugh in there general direction.

    “The Mises Caucus or the HoppeBots are not necessarily motivated by electoral politics. ”

    I agree. That’s why defeat is inevitable for them. Any capture of the party will be momentary. Same goes for anyone who’s principles put them in a minority position ALREADY. There just aren’t enough Hoppean ethnocentrists/anarchists/NAPsters/take your pick in the general population.

    If you are already in a minority position in the LP as it is currently constituted, you’re screwed, so to speak. Your only option would be to limit membership in some way.

  9. dL

    But I am indicating that I blew off some steam there and now I laugh in there general direction.

    “The Mises Caucus or the HoppeBots are not necessarily motivated by electoral politics. ”

    I agree. That’s why defeat is inevitable for them. Any capture of the party will be momentary. Same goes for anyone who’s principles put them in a minority position ALREADY. There just aren’t enough Hoppean ethnocentrists/anarchists/NAPsters/take your pick in the general population.

    If you are already in a minority position in the LP as it is currently constituted, you’re screwed, so to speak. Your only option would be to limit membership in some way.

    what a load of delusional doublethink

  10. Anthony Dlugos

    right. I’m sure there’s a great demand in the general electorate for Misesean economics, especially now that the Institute that bears its name has veered into white nationalist enabling.

  11. Luke

    Is Joshua Smith, the candidate Ryan Ramsey is supporting for national chair, part of this “takeover”?

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