October 2017 Open Thread

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Our monthly open thread. Post news tips about alt parties and independent candidates, discuss any story that should be posted here but has not yet been posted, or even delve into completely off-topic stuff…just avoid quarantined thread subject matter and things that could get us and/or you into legal trouble such as threats, libel, and copyright infringement.

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Our video this month, an IPR Open Thread tradition:

81 thoughts on “October 2017 Open Thread

  1. Thane Eichenauer

    I certainly do miss the old Juice Media where any given episode had a thesis, an anti-thesis and some commentary by Robert Foster. The current Juice Media and their OK but quite a bit less than stellar Honest Government Advert series leaves much to be desired.

    ROBERT FOSTER WHERE ARE YOU?

    The Economy: Ron Paul vs Zeitgeist [RAP NEWS 9] -> https://youtu.be/ELEwjVRxxGE

  2. Michael

    I’m a Libertarian. I don’t want 2000 candidates. I want 200 candidates that are so strong that my non-libertarian Dad would vote for them (the Dad test).

    That means people with a record of public engagement. That means people who have run for, and won, a local office before they run for Congress. That means people whose resume on LinkedIn looks as good as the other candidates that non-ideological voters actually vote for.

    How about 200 strong candidates plus 1800 filler candidates? I don’t want that because I believe it hurts our brand. That strategy leads voters to assume that 90% of the time (at least), when they look at a Libertarian candidate they are looking at a filler candidate.

    When voters look at a Libertarian candidate I want them to see someone who has served on a school board, or who has been a mayor, or who is a respected college professor, or a small business owner. And I want them to see candidates with that experience and gravitas all the time, until they learn to associate us with competence. Oddball minority competence, of course, but competent for the job.

  3. Tony From Long Island

    Hey Andy . . . . another “false flag” operation last night? Oh wait . . . you need to analyze the evidence first, right?

  4. DJ

    Tony, you didn’t think…. you reacted which is an instinct. Thinking dictates a response. There is a difference.

    An excerpt

    A “press release,” which accompanied the video and was also made available on the website of Refuse Fascism, makes it clear that this particular piece of criminal behavior was part of a plan to promote November 4 as a day to:

    Take To The Streets And Public Squares in cities and towns across the country continuing day after day and night after night — not stopping — until our DEMAND is met: This Nightmare Must End: The Trump/ Pence Regime Must Go!

    The “press release” goes on to say:

    The activists spoke out: “The Trump Regime Must and Can Be Stopped. This is not wishful thinking but could be made a reality if all who hate what is represented by this fascist regime translate our outrage into a massive, sustained mobilization to create the political conditions which make this possible. We are millions. Our only recourse now is to act together outside normal channels. On November 4 – It Begins. Every faction within the established power structure must be forced to respond to what we do — creating a situation where the Trump/Pence regime is removed from power.”

    The non-violent civil disobedience activists warned: “The Trump/Pence regime will repeatedly launch new highly repressive measures, eventually clamping down on all resistance and remaking the law… IF THEY ARE NOT DRIVEN FROM POWER.”

    They declared: “NO! We REFUSE To Accept A Fascist America. Now is the time to raise the alarm… now is the time to throw yourselves in with all the passion, creativity, energy, and determination this cause deserves…now is the time to organize, prepare for, and let everyone know about what begins on November 4 ~ In the Name of Humanity, This Fascist Trump/Pence Regime Must GO!”

    And:

    Our protest must grow day after day and night after night — thousands becoming hundreds of thousands, and then millions — determined to act to put a stop to the grave danger that the Trump/Pence Regime poses to the world by demanding that this whole regime be removed from power.
    …………

    As with the documentary you attack the website (messenger) and ignore the message. Just like whiny, cry baby, Republicans who learned the tactic from whiny, cry baby, Democrats, both of which worship at the feet of the church of godvernment “leaders”.

    BTW, moron, I don’t agree with your fact checking website since it is obviously biased. It’s “attack” on TNA’s climate change article proved it’s bias by repeating a fallacious talking point about science being a consensus which is why I posted the definition previously which you then reacted (again) about my response to your reaction claiming that your reaction wasn’t about me and I shouldn’t flatter myself in such a manner. LOL….. moron, you are 0 to be flattered about, and your moronic attack on a web site is just that.
    …………

    From the quoted web site

    https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/this-nightmare-must-end-the-trumppence-regime-must-go/

    ON NOVEMBER 4, 2017:

    We will gather in the streets and public squares of cities and towns across this country, at first many thousands declaring that this whole regime is illegitimate and that we will not stop until our single demand is met: This Nightmare Must End: the Trump/Pence Regime Must Go!

    Our protest must grow day after day and night after night—thousands becoming hundreds of thousands, and then millions—determined to act to put a stop to the grave danger that the Trump/Pence Regime poses to the world by demanding that this whole regime be removed from power.

    Our actions will reflect the values of respect for all of humanity and the world we want—in stark contrast to the hate and bigotry of the Trump/Pence fascist regime.

    Our determination to persist and not back down will compel the whole world to take note. Every force and faction in the power structure would be forced to respond to our demand. The cracks and divisions among the powers already evident today will sharpen and widen. As we draw more and more people forward to stand up, all of this could lead to a situation where this illegitimate regime is removed from power.

    Spread the word and organize now. Be a part of making history. Don’t let it be said that you stood aside when there was still a chance to stop a regime that imperils humanity and the Earth itself. Join in taking to the streets and the public squares day after day and night after night demonstrating that In the Name of Humanity, We REFUSE to Accept a Fascist America.

    On November 4, 2017, we will stand together with conviction and courage, overcoming fear and uncertainty, to insist that: This Nightmare Must End: The Trump/Pence Regime Must GO!

  5. Tony From Long Island

    DJ: If you think I’m going to read all that nonsense, you are crazy. Are you not capable of being concise?

    Your previous post was quite concise. It said ” . . .Antifa Planning Communist Revolution for America on November 4 . . . ”

    Whatever link you provided was not worth clicking on because your description of it was so ridiculously stupid. I didn’t “react.” I didn’t use “instinct.” I used intellect. Reading anything of such a hyperbolic and ridiculous nature isn’t worth the energy it would take my finger to click the mouse . . . .

    You don’t “Agree” with MY fact checking website because it’s biased! ROFL!! It’s not MY site. It’s A site. If you look past their accurate descriptions of your right-wing nut-baggery sites, it’s also quite accurate at describing Left-Wing sites. I know you find facts to be hard to accept, but do try. It’s pretty liberating. Try it again https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ put “Daily Kos” into the search box.

    . . . . . not surprising that you want Andy to “keep up the good work.”

  6. Luke

    Radical communists issue ridiculous hyperbole about the masses rising up and overthrowing the capitalist system! Quick everyone, hide under your bed! LOL.

    Apparently these morons learned nothing from Occupy Wall Street. That fell apart when the weather turned cold. November is not when you start your “revolution” or you won’t even have enough people show up to have it covered as a demonstration much less a revolution. This isn’t some other country like Russia where November revolutions take place; Americans are just too spoiled for that.

    Leave it up to the Birchers and their “New American” to take this “threat” seriously.

  7. Luke

    “I certainly do miss the old Juice Media where any given episode had a thesis, an anti-thesis and some commentary by Robert Foster. The current Juice Media and their OK but quite a bit less than stellar Honest Government Advert series leaves much to be desired.

    ROBERT FOSTER WHERE ARE YOU?”

    Apparently the guy who plays Robert Foster had a falling out with the guy who does the writing/inspiring of ideas. I agree the old Rap News was better, but the “ads” are still pretty good.

  8. Tony From Long Island

    Jill. A friend tipped me off to that web site a few months back. I find it rather accurate. It rates both conservative and liberal sites.

    He had made an argument and his friend called him on a source. So, when he told me about it, I checked it out.

    Sadly, it can’t rate Andy’s You Tube videos!

  9. Tony From Long Island

    I find it difficult to figure out a site that ranks daily kos and Talking points memo as far left as biased. I haven’t found one site on there that I thought was unfairly ranked. Maybe something should be “left-center” rather than “left” or “right center” instead of “right,” but that’s just nit-picking.

    It’s too bad that you can’t fairly evaluate your own sources. I freely admit that I read Talking Points Memo every day and I know that it leans left – just as it is ranked.

    Disappointing that you can’t do the same.

    Give me an example of a ranking you find fault with.

  10. The Ghost of Andrew Anglin

    The adventures of the operators of the Daily Stormer continue. It would appear based on independent reports that the Daily Stormer domain name DailyStormer.IS has been suspended.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/will-daily-stormer-founder-andrew-anglin-lose-his-website-on-the-lam
    https://grapevine.is/news/2017/09/29/dailystormer-likely-losing-its-is-domain-today/

    Seemingly ever one step ahead of the domain name repo man they have apparently moved on the the “.cat” domain which in its Daily Stormer manifestation is a land half “en Español” and half with feline imagery.

    Many (in this case ISNIC) seem to have doubts as to whether the supposed operator Andrew Anglin even exists. Jim Goad apparently has little doubt.

    https://dailystormer.cat/entrevista-jim-goad-amb-andrew-anglin/

  11. Jill Pyeatt

    All I needed to see was their ranking for both the Washington Post and The New York Times as being slightly to the left. They’re both extremely to the left.

    I just find it amusing that people have to go someplace to check a site and can’t figure it out for themselves.

  12. Tony From Long Island

    It’s not for me to figure out for myself. It’s to call others on their crap. Then again, you truly believe that Hilary Clinton ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop so . . .

    Did you read their methodology? Might answer some of your questions.

  13. Jill Pyeatt

    Then again, you truly believe that Hilary Clinton ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop so . . .

    I never said this, nor ever believed it. This is why I never bother here any more. Commenters here slot others into a category of Right or Left, or Good or Bad, just like much of the people in this country do. There’s rarely genuine dialog, or critical thinking anymore.

  14. Jill Pyeatt

    However, if you’re really interested in some of what criminal acts I believe Hillary has committed, I’ll be happy to post that with links to back it up.

    I believe her campaign manager John Podesta is a pedophile, as well as her good friend Jeff Epstein. Hillary knew about it their activities, just as she knew Anthony Wiener was texting a mentally unstable kid and chose to do nothing about it. Perhaps that’s not criminal, but it’s certainly unethical in my book.

  15. dL

    All I needed to see was their ranking for both the Washington Post and The New York Times as being slightly to the left. They’re both extremely to the left.

    If “extremely left” refers to the the WP currently running a large number of articles on libertarian philosophy, well I can perhaps accept that definition. Nonetheless, I would contend that the Post, like The NY Times, is center right.

  16. dL

    Then again, you truly believe that Hilary Clinton ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop so . . .

    I never said this, nor ever believed it. This is why I never bother here any more. Commenters here slot others into a category of Right or Left, or Good or Bad, just like much of the people in this country do. There’s rarely genuine dialog, or critical thinking anymore.

    Well, actually you sort of did…at least, initially.

    Tony, you are wrong to write off Pizzagate as Fake News or a conspiracy theory. This story is huge and will not go away. Despite the mainstream media’s campaign to get us to ignore it, citizen journalists everywhere (like me) will not let this go.

    This scandal is part of the reason Hillary didn’t win.

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/12/december-2016-open-thread/#comment-1490570

  17. Just Some Random Guy

    So, question. Is there any place where I could find a full list of Libertarian candidates for office? Now, I’m sure you can easily point me to the Candidate page on their site (https://www.lp.org/2017-candidates/), but that only lists people running for office in 2017. I was trying to find a list that includes people who are running for office in 2018 (e.g. Justin O’Donnell or Laura Ebke). Is there any such list? Actually, a place that just lists the ones for 2018 would be fine, as the 2017 is available on the site. Searching, the best I could find is this:
    https://www.facebook.com/LPC2018/

    You can find some candidates there, but it’s not in a simple and convenient list like it is on the LP’s site, and only a few are really listed there.

  18. Tony From Long Island

    Jill

    There’s rarely genuine dialog, or critical thinking anymore.

    There doesn’t need to be a “genuine dialog” about whether or not Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring.

    You are too quick to write off https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

    If you think that the NYT and WAPO are “hard left” then you are not very familiar with left media. You may not care for some of their editorials, but they are both left-center. I again suggest that you read the methodology they use.

    Jill:

    This is why I never bother here any more. Commenters here slot others into a category of Right or Left, or Good or Bad,

    Jill, I don’t “slot” you anywhere. You often makes posts that I agree with and I say so when I do. When you make a “bad” post, I say so. It’s not calling you a “bad” person.

  19. Tony From Long Island

    Jill

    I believe her campaign manager John Podesta is a pedophile, as well as her good friend Jeff Epstein.

    With Epstein, at least there is some sort of evidence to support your assertion. However, “pedophilia” refers to sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Everything I’ve read about Epstein indicates that he has had encounters with adolescents – which is not pedophilia (though a violation of the law).

    I know of no credible allegations of misconduct made against Mr. Podesta. Guilt by association is a rather poor way to judge a person. Too many people throw around the word “pedophile” without really knowing what it means, particularly without anything but a gut feeling to back it up. It’s one of the worst labels one can be slapped with.

    I am acquainted with several people who have criminal records, some of whom have committed sexual offenses. Am I just as bad as them?

  20. Tony From Long Island

    Hey Andy, the Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler Alex Jones has labeled Vegas a False Flag . . . I guess you have studied the evidence, right? It’s a deep-state operation! OJ’s release had to have something to do with it I’m sure . . .

  21. George Phillies

    For 2017 state legislatures, note BallotPedia.com.

    For 2018 races, with equal coverage to all parties, politics1.com, but they only cover Federal and Statewide offices. One the other hand, they go down to somewhat minor third parties, for example, at one time they covered the Phalangist Party, the local offshoot of a Lebanese Party of more or less the same name.

  22. Krzysztof Lesiak

    Three updates:

    1) I was on mandatory “vacation” at Chicago Behavioral Hospital in Des Plaines, Illinois from September 25th to October 5th, 2017. I met some really cool people in there and had great discussions on politics, philosophy, religion and spirituality. I now have “meds” prescribed by a licensed psychiatrist born in Pinochet Country (Argentina) (Risperdal and Trazodone).

    2) I’m officially ending my short lived campaign for Mount Prospect, Illinois trustee. I’m fully committed to the Jehovah Witness route, which inlcudes not running for office or voting.

    3) I think Randy Stufflebeam, the CP’s 2018 gubernatorial candidate in Illinois, would make a fine candidate for the Constitution Party’s 2020 presidential candidate. Of course, it’s possible Mr. Stufflebeam is not interested.

    Peace.

  23. Anthony Dlugos

    “Last year, William F. Weld stormed out of the Republican Party, registered as a Libertarian Party member, and joined its national ticket as a vice-presidential candidate, vowing his fidelity to his new political home.”

    I hope there wasn’t anyone in Orlando dumb enough to interpret Governor Weld’s vow of fealty to include wasting his time away gathering signatures or trying to build up county affiliates or something. I know I didn’t. Personally, I expected him to bolt the day after the presidential election. I’m not dumb enough to think we have any leverage with an ex-governor.

    This is from the article:

    “Reached this week, Weld attributed his flirtation with his old state party to his personal relationships within the state GOP.

    As for his declarations of being free of the GOP, he said he remains committed to the Libertarians — but apparently with a caveat. Not in Massachusetts.

    “I am close to Charlie Baker and [Lieutenant Governor] Karyn Polito and Beth [Lindstrom],’’ he said. “It would be odd not to support them.”

    What’s the problem here? The man has personal relationships with these people. The fact that he says he remains committed to Libertarians is about all we could expect out of the situation.

    Ron Paul endorsed Baldwin in 2008 and he still get venerated, plus a delegate in Orlando.

  24. Krzysztof Lesiak

    [Produced by Soulshock and Karlin]

    [Hook: 2Pac]
    It’s just me against the world
    Nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world, baby
    I got nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world
    Stuck in the game
    Me against the world, baby

    [Verse 1: 2Pac]
    Can you picture my prophecy?
    Stress in the city, the cops is on top of me
    The projects is full of bullets; though bodies is droppin’
    There ain’t no stoppin’ me
    Constantly movin’ while makin’ millions
    Witnessin’ killings, leavin’ dead bodies in abandoned buildings
    Can’t reach the children, ’cause they’re illin’
    Addicted to killin’ and the appeal from the cap peelin’
    Without feelin’, but will they last or be blasted?
    Hard-headed bastard, maybe he’ll listen in his casket
    The aftermath: more bodies bein’ buried
    I’m losin’ my homies in a hurry, they’re relocatin’ to the cemetery
    Got me worried, stressin’, my vision’s blurry
    The question is, will I live? No one in the world loves me
    I’m headed for danger, don’t trust strangers
    Put one in the chamber whenever I’m feelin’ this anger
    Don’t wanna make excuses
    ‘Cause this is how it is; what’s the use?
    Unless we’re shootin’, no one notices the youth
    It’s just me against the world, baby

    [Hook: 2Pac & Puff Johnson]
    Me against the world
    It’s just me against the world
    It’s just me against the world
    Me against the world
    ‘Cause it’s just me against the world, baby
    Me against the world
    I got nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world, baby
    I got nothin’ to lose

    [Verse 2: Yaki Kadafi]
    Could somebody help me? I’m out here all by myself
    See ladies in stores, Baby Capone’s, livin’ wealthy
    Pictures of my birth on this Earth is what I’m dreamin’
    Seein’ Daddy’s semen, full of crooked demons
    Already crazy and screamin’, I guess them nightmares as a child
    Had me scared, but left me prepared for a while
    Is there another route? For a crooked Outlaw
    Veteran, a villain, a young thug, who one day shall fall

    [Verse 3: E.D.I. Mean]
    Everyday there’s mo’ death, and plus I’m dough-less
    I’m seein’ more reasons for me to proceed with thievin’
    Scheme on the schemin’ and leave they peeps grievin’
    ‘Cause ain’t no bucks to stack up
    My nuts is backed up, I’m about to act up
    Go load the MAC up, now watch me klacka
    Tried makin’ fat cuts, but yo, it ain’t workin’
    And evil’s lurkin’, I can see him smirkin’ when I gets to pervin’
    So what? Go put some work in, and make my mail
    Makin’ sales, riskin’ 25 with a L, but oh well

    [Hook: 2Pac & Puff Johnson]
    Me against the world
    With nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world
    It’s just me against the world, baby
    Me against the world
    I got nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world
    It’s just me against the world, baby
    With nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world, baby
    Me against the world
    Me against the world
    I got nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world, baby

    [Verse 4: 2Pac]
    With all this extra stressin’
    The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
    When will I finally get to rest through this oppression?
    They punish the people that’s askin’ questions
    And those that possess steal from the ones without possessions
    The message I stress: to make it stop, study your lessons
    Don’t settle for less, even the genius asks his questions
    Be grateful for blessings
    Don’t ever change, keep your essence
    The power is in the people and politics we address
    Always do your best, don’t let the pressure make you panic
    And when you get stranded
    And things don’t go the way you planned it
    Dreamin’ of riches, in a position of makin’ a difference
    Politicians are hypocrites, they don’t wanna listen
    If I’m insane, it’s the fame made a brother change
    It wasn’t nothin’ like the game; it’s just me against the world

    [Hook: 2Pac & Puff Johnson]
    Me against the world
    Nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world, baby
    Me against the world
    Got me stuck in the game
    It’s just me against the world
    Nothin’ to lose
    It’s just me against the world, baby
    Me against the world

    [Outro: 2Pac]
    Hahaha, that’s right
    I know it seem hard sometimes
    But, uh, remember one thing
    Through every dark night, there’s a bright day after that
    So no matter how hard it get
    Stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjv7hEAytU

  25. Krzysztof Lesiak

    This is my last IPR comment for the day – one of the TOP FIVE BEST RAP SONGS EVER MADE:

    You Never Know – Immortal Technique (Dir. Al Mukadam)

    She was on her way to becomin’ a college graduate
    Wouldn’t even stop to talk to the average kid
    The type of Latina I’d sit and contemplate marriage with
    Fuck the horse and carriage shit, her love was never for hire
    Disciplined, intellectual beauty is what I desire
    Flyer than Salma Hayek or Jennifer Lopez
    Everyone told me, kickin’ it to her was hopeless
    At first I just thought she didn’t mess with broke kids
    The thug niggas always talkin’ about how they smoke kids
    But the rich sniff-coke kids got no play
    “I’m not even interested” is what her body language would say
    Everyone around the way gave up tryin’ to get in it
    It didn’t matter how good your game was, she wasn’t with it
    On the block, bitches was jealous but wouldn’t admit it
    Talk shit, and deny to everyone that they did it, ‘cause they regretted the long list of niggas that they let hit it
    And no one ever gave them shit except McDonald’s and did-dick
    Smokin’ weed, with thoughts of envy whenever they lit it
    She spoke intelligently and they bit it, always tryin’ to copy
    But when they tried to use her vocab they sounded sloppy
    She had a style, all her own, respectful and pure
    I was sick in the head for her, and there wasn’t a cure

    [Hook: Jean Grae]
    Don’t you know that time waits for no man?
    My fate, it’s all planned
    I’m blessed just to know you
    I’ve loved and I’ve lost just to hold you all night
    Can’t find a reason why
    God came between you and I
    If I had the chance again, I’d never let you go
    Hold tight to your love, ‘cause you never know

    [Verse 2: Immortal Technique]
    Her eyes are brown and beautiful, yet empty and sad
    I used to talk to her occasionally, and she was glad
    That I wasn’t just another nigga tryin’ to get in it
    So every now and then we’d stop and talk for a minute
    I didn’t have a gimmick, so the minutes turned to hours
    On her birthday I gave her a poem with flowers
    Then I took her out to dinner after her cousin’s baby shower
    We talked about power to the people and such
    We spent more time together, but it was never enough
    I never tried to sneak a touch or even cop a feel
    I was too interested in keepin’ it real
    Perfectly honest and complete
    She would always call me “cariño” and never Technique
    Bought me a new book to read every two or three weeks
    Forever changin’ the expression of my thoughts when I speak
    It was because of her I even deaded all of my freaks
    She convinced me to stop hangin’ out on the streets
    To stop robbin’ and stealin’ from people like you
    Instead I took her out to the Apollo and the Bronx Zoo
    Museo del Barrio, and the Metropolitan too
    Got to the point when I was either with her or my crew
    So I decided one day to tell her my feelings was true
    I couldn’t live without her, so I told her, facin’ my fears
    But honey’s only response was a face full of tears
    She could only sob hysterically, holdin’ me tight
    I tried to speak, but she wouldn’t stop until I left sight
    I felt like a moth who got himself too close to the light
    Except I didn’t burn, I turned cold after that night

    [Hook: Jean Grae]
    Don’t you know that time waits for no man?
    My fate, it’s all planned
    I’m blessed just to know you
    I’ve loved and I’ve lost just to hold you all night
    Can’t find a reason why
    God came between you and I
    If I had the chance again, I’d never let you go
    Hold tight to your love, ‘cause you never know

    [Verse 3: Immortal Technique]
    I went on with my life, college and my career
    Ended up locked up like an animal for a year
    Where the C.O.’s talk to you like they were the overseer
    Then I got sent to the hole when my exit was near
    At night in my cell, I’d close my eyes and I’d see her
    Hold her close in my dreams, but when I woke she disappeared
    Just an empty cell until the state gave me parole
    In the summer, came back, intact and on track
    But the fact of the matter is I still felt cold
    Even after my mother hugged me, cryin’ at home
    My real niggas would catch me thinkin’, outta my zone
    Fuckin’ lots of different women, but I still felt alone
    Relatively well-known around the New York underground
    But I kept thinkin’ of her and how we used to be down
    The sound of her voice, and the beautiful smell of her hair
    Though gone physically, somehow it was still there
    I had to do somethin’ because the shit was too much to bear
    So I went and visited the building where she used to live
    The world looks a lot different after you do a bid
    The way your life done changed
    While primitive minds are still stuck in the same game
    Like her cousin who was on the corner, slangin’ cocaine
    Stepped in the lobby, and tapped the button next to her last name
    Her mom buzzed me up and hugged me up like a mother oughta
    But her facial expression changed
    When I asked about her daughter

    [Hook: Jean Grae]
    Don’t you know that time waits for no man?
    My fate, it’s all planned
    I’m blessed just to know you
    I’ve loved and I’ve lost just to hold you all night
    Can’t find a reason why
    God came between you and I
    If I had the chance again, I’d never let you go
    Hold tight to your love, ‘cause you never know

    [Verse 4: Immortal Technique]
    She told me that there was a note, for me, that was left behind
    And she had left it there waitin’ for such a long time
    I was inclined to ask about it, but she brought it up first
    I saw a tear swellin’ up in her eye, and then she cursed
    She told me where the letter was, and I started thinkin’ the worst
    Reversed my position, stepped over and opened the door
    And sure enough there was an envelope
    With my name on the floor: “Nobody loves you more than me, cariño,” is what the letter said
    “By the time you get to read this, I’ll probably be dead
    But when you left in ’97, a part of me went to Heaven
    I thank God at least I got to know what love really was
    But it hurt me to see what true love really does
    ‘Cause even though we never made love
    You were all that there was
    It was because I loved you so much that I had to make you leave
    You made me doubt the way I thought
    You made me want to believe
    And then I slipped up, and I let you get close to me
    It was hard to not be openly when people spoke to me
    This was not the way I thought my life was supposed to be
    Baby, don’t you see?
    I had a blood transfusion that left me with HIV
    Hope didn’t exist for me since late in 1993
    I died a virgin, I wish I could’ve given myself to you
    I cried in the hospital because there was no one else but you
    Promise that you’ll meet me in Paradise inevitably
    No matter what, I’ll keep your love forever with me.”
    What happened for the rest of the day is still a blur
    But I remember wishin’ that I was dead, instead of her
    She was buried on August 3rd
    The story ends without a sequel; and now you know why Technique don’t fuckin’ fall in love with people
    Hold the person that you love closely if they’re next to you
    The one you love, not the person that’ll simply have sex with you
    Appreciate them to the fullest extent and then beyond
    ‘Cause you never really know what you got until it’s gone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv7w200rrcs

  26. paulie Post author

    I now have “meds” prescribed by a licensed psychiatrist

    That’s good. I hope they work for you and that you stay on them.

    born in Pinochet Country (Argentina)

    LOL, nope…that would be Chile for Pinochet. Argentina was Peron.

  27. Libertydave

    With all the news about the tragedy in Las Vegas and the talk of gun control and repealing the second amendment, I thought a reminder of why the second amendment is so important would be a good idea.

    There is a documentary called “Innocents Betrayed” that explains why gun control always ends up to be bad for ordinary people.

    Here is a link to the documentary on YouTube
    Innocents Betrayed – The History of Gun Control – FULL LENGTH

  28. paulie Post author

    I agree it’s certainly bad for ordinary people, but I don’t like to call it gun control. Gun control is hitting your target. Victim disarmament is what we are discussing here. Gun monopoly would be a neutral phrase.

    But I don’t see any major victim disarmament legislation passing right now. Maybe some symbolic legislation such as outlawing bump stocks, but that’s about it. And with 3D printing growing in popularity and dropping in price as time goes on, even if major legislation does pass, I don’t see it being enforced with any effectiveness – just more meaningless security theater. But I don’t even see it passing at all with a Republican congress and president.

  29. Andy

    Anthony Dlugos said: “Ron Paul endorsed Baldwin in 2008 and he still get venerated, plus a delegate in Orlando.”

    That’s because the Libertarian Party nominated a turd of a candidate who wasn’t really a libertarian for President in 2008 in Bob Barr. Chuck Baldwin was more libertarian than Bob Barr was.

    Do a comparison between Ron Paul and Bill Weld to see who is more libertarian. Ron Paul wins this , and it is not even close. Bill Weld does not even deserve to be called a libertarian.

  30. Anthony Dlugos

    Use whatever dopey justification you want, Bill Weld has gotten excoriated for his less-than-doctrinaire positions, his waffling between the LP and the GOP, and personal predilections for particular individuals, Ron Paul does the same thing and gets venerated.

    Chuck Baldwin is no libertarian.

  31. NewFederalist

    “Chuck Baldwin is no libertarian.” – Anthony Dlugos

    And none of the last three LP presidential nominees, either!

  32. Andy

    Check Baldwin is more libertarian than Bob Barr and Bill Weld, as well as anyone else who has been on the LP’s presidential ticket since 2004 (which was the last time the LP even had a presidential ticket that I’d say was actually libertarian).

    Bill Weld does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Ron Paul, unless it is to point out how awful Bill Weld is compared to Ron Paul.

  33. Chuck Moulton

    Anthony Dlogos wrote:

    Personally, I expected him to bolt the day after the presidential election.

    I also expected him to bolt for the GOP… and lo and behold: he is. A lot of delegates were stupid enough to believe his conversion though. My biggest regret of the convention was not making wagers with many of those fools about Weld’s LP fidelity… it would have been quite a profitable venture.

    This is yet anoth data point driving home the lesson: stop nominating GOP re-treads.

  34. George Phillies

    Mentioning GOP retreads, what is to be said about our recent Presidential candidate?

  35. Steven R Linnabary

    I don’t know if anybody cares, but WAR was on Larry King tonight.

    I didn’t bother to listen to his bluster, but I couldn’t help noticing the tag under his name “2008 LP vpotus candidate”. It’s as if Root hasn’t accomplished anything the past ten years.

    PEACE

  36. paulie Post author

    Last year, William F. Weld stormed out of the Republican Party, registered as a Libertarian Party member, and joined its national ticket as a vice-presidential candidate, vowing his fidelity to his new political home.

    That was then.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/10/05/bill-weld-libertarian-head-gop-fundraising-event/dVnZGd4wWaMKlnpzyBY8pN/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Afacebook

    Team Weld’s response is http://www.thejacknews.com/politics/political-highlights/bill-weld-did-not-renounce-libertarianism-supporting-charlie-baker-cabinet-member/

  37. George Phillies

    Weld: A Republican sheep in Libertarian clothing. He’s supporting a Republican for Governor of Massachusetts, when the Massachusetts Libertarian Party has not even decided whether or not to run a candidates. JerkNews is simply a Republican front.

  38. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie, If I were legally allowed to vote in the 2018 US general election for the office of US Senator from Michigan it is rather likely that I would vote for James Meeks or any other Libertarian nominee for that office. I consider any Republican candidate (or Democratic candidate for that matter) that is dangled out for libertarian inclined voters as fishing for suckers regardless of their personal sincerity (since I can only judge by actions and I can’t judge their motivations).

    Kid Rock has a song that implies he that he might have antiwar tendencies. That same song and the resultant coverage say that he favors legalization of all drugs. I’d hold out for him actually and plainly stating his positions on these two positions.
    http://rare.us/rare-politics/is-kid-rock-conservative-libertarian-or-just-all-american/
    http://rare.us/entertainment-and-culture/rare-exclusive-kid-rocks-new-ode-to-america-is-the-peoples-anthem-youve-been-waiting-for/

  39. paulie Post author

    Kid Rock has a song that implies he that he might have antiwar tendencies.

    Yeah, and Trump had speeches and interviews that “implied he had antiwar tendencies” on the campaign trail. In office, not so much.

  40. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie,

    Donald Trump is a one of a kind anomaly. In my book he is a kin to the Mule in the Foundation Series. Kid Rock is his own person. I will judge him against his actual opponents not a one off. Kid Rock seems to be as consistent as any average human being.

    Again, I would likely vote Libertarian in that race unless Kid Rock solidified his public positions. He just might and then again he might not. He might not even pursue qualifying for the Republican primary for all you or I know.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_(Foundation)

    P.S. Though they are both master persuaders in their own realm.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147595892021/how-persuaders-see-the-world

    P.P.S. Perhaps it is time to pray that Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope to run for US House positions in Michigan?

    http://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/550724673/who-are-the-juggalos-and-why-are-they-marching-in-washington-d-c

  41. paulie Post author

    P.P.S. Perhaps it is time to pray that Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope to run for US House positions in Michigan?

    I double dare them….

  42. Thane Eichenauer

    While the choice in commenting systems is not mine to make I thought I would point out the Return of Kings website has selected a new system after the Disqus company decided that their web site didn’t deserve a good commenting system. While I am happy enough with flat comments I thought some folks might find it interesting to read about an alternative in progress (though no names are mentioned). Return of Kings often has at least two hundred comments per post.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/132495/update-on-rok-commenting-system

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