The Tom Woods Show: Larry Sharpe on Politics, Race, the LP, and Winning

130 thoughts on “The Tom Woods Show: Larry Sharpe on Politics, Race, the LP, and Winning

  1. Anthony Dlugos

    That guy has a great personal story, no doubt about that.

    If we had a paid position available for a public facing spokesperson, he’d be my first choice, easy.

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  3. Thane Eichenauer

    I found this episode to be worthwhile listening. I found Larry Sharpe’s angle on communist and nazi infiltration of the LP interesting and distinct from most folks.

  4. dL

    I found Larry Sharpe’s angle on communist and nazi infiltration of the LP interesting and distinct from most folks.

    Communist infiltration? Where is this?

  5. paulie

    Yeah, it’s pretty sad. Sharpe is not being very sharp with that one. But then he did go on the fascist podcasts with Ramsey in Florida, with the same “Mad American Network” that had people literally sieg heiling with Augustus in Harrisburg.

    Meanwhile on LNC list Larry Sharpe says

    My two cents,

    Ed and Steven both say leave it alone. So, leave it alone.

    They may be wrong, but the odds of them being wrong are far lower than the
    odds of our meddling making things worse.

    Steven (Nekhalia) is actually part of the problem in Florida – in response to a FB rant calling for over 10 million undocumented immigrants, many with US-born spouses and children, to all be rounded up and forcibly deported, Nekhalia said that additionally legal immigrants should be selectively denied welfare and…voting rights! This is the person that LNC members like Sharpe are asking if there’s a problem in Florida.

    Well, there’s a problem in Florida.

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/10/joe-wendt-withdraws-from-us-senate-campaign-libertarian-party-of-florida-active-membership/

    ”””Unfortunately, I must announce my withdrawal from active involvement in the Libertarian Party of Florida (LPF) and must suspend my campaign for US Senate. Over the past few months, I have been harassed by members of the LPF Executive Committee and prominent members of the LPF. Some have slandered me, making false accusations and disparaging my character & work ethic. Others have harassed members of my campaign. One prominent member of the LPF, from Miami, sexually harassed my campaign manager. Another particular member, from Bradford county, threatened physical harm against me and my family numerous times on Facebook.…..

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/10/paul-stanton-makes-motion-to-remove-ryan-ramsey-from-florida-lp-exec-comm-then-resigns-himself/

    ….Much like our last state-wide candidate in Florida, and the one before him, and the one before him, I have resigned from the Libertarian Party Florida. Though I have now resigned, I am certain that as a member of the LPF EC, I did inform the LNC, twice, of a problem. Feel free to ask the current LPF Vice Chair Omar Recuero, the most recent former LPF Chair (and current LPF EC member) Char-lez Braden, the LPF Chair before him (and former gubernatorial candidate – receiving the most votes in LPF history) Adrian Wyllie, or current LPF US Senate candidate Joseph Wendt whether or not the LPF has a problem, and they will each tell you that we have a very serious problem – not to mention all the others who have disassociated over this ongoing issue.

    It’s easy to tell others to ignore threats and intimidation tactics when you, your family, your friends, your campaign volunteers, your fellow activists, aren’t the targets.….

    This was of course before Wendt also resigned.

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-socialists-and-antifa/

    Larry Sharpe doesn’t get this. What communist infiltration in the LP? This false need to create an equivalence is pathetic. Fascist entryists like Ryan Ramsey call real libertarians like Paul Stanton and myself communists. How the fuck am I a communist? I want government to be as small as possible, ideally completely voluntary. I believe in individual property rights. I score as a libertarian on every test I have ever seen, I’ve been an LP and movement activist for a quarter of a century, since I was 20 years old. I’ve devoted my whole life and career, such as it is, to the fight for freedom. I’m a refugee from communism and multiple members of my family have been killed, tortured and imprisoned by communists, and most of the rest driven into exile.

    This is the piece of shit who is calling me a communist and passing around lies about me torturing and killing a dog, being a terrorist and a member of some terrorist group, threatening legal action against him, threatening violence against his then pregnant wife, all a bunch of fucking lies while he has himself been involved in white supremacist terrorism, threatened numerous people including me, threatened to sic law enforcement and FBI on me, tried to intimidate IPR into not reporting on him and his long time (now ex) buddy Invictus who did in fact torture and dismember a goat.

    That’s who Larry Sharpe pals around with and I believe the very show he went on.

    So let’s take it with a big heaping helping of salt when he says there is a communist infiltration in the LP.

  6. paulie

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-lp-florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/

    We are losing good members, and the trust of the public, due to the elevation of leaders in extremist hate groups to our party leadership. We need a new approach. Local libertarian-leaning politicians and voters associate us with far-right extremists. As of yesterday, my county no longer has a full slate of candidates for the Florida House. One of the Libertarian candidates I drafted will now unfortunately be running NPA. Yesterday, we also lost our incoming Rules Committee chair. Previously, both our former gubernatorial nominee and our senatorial nominee (prior to me) have resigned their LPF memberships, among countless other Libertarian activists and volunteers. A member of my 2016 Senate campaign ended her participation with the party, because her employer forbids associations with members of extremist hate groups advocating for violence. A single friend (who ceased her participation after receiving death threats) has reported that no fewer than 30 of her acquaintances have withdrawn from Libertarian Party activism due to risks to themselves and their reputations.

    During my US Senate campaign, I never expected the situation that unfolded. I expected the personal attacks, but I never expected racist fantasies about my mother, posting of personal information about members of my family, or the violent threats and sexual harassment targeting my supporters and members of my campaign. Last month, after I introduced a motion (which was killed) to remove Florida’s member of the Libertarian Party Platform Committee for his racist statements, I was accused of wanting to kill all white people, in a “white genocide” conspiracy theory. And now today, there have been threats that the militant hate group the American Guardmay be waiting for me in the parking lot, or harassing county party meetings. We must have higher standards for our party leadership!

    Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics among white nationalists, and there are several other victims throughout Florida. This behavior cannot be accepted. We cannot continue to elevate these people. Libertarianism stands for maximum freedom for everyone, universally. We dishonor ourselves and our party by enabling liars with wildly divergent philosophies, who stand immediately adjacent to neo-Nazis, white nationalists, fascists,organized criminal syndicates, and domestic terrorists.
    The situation needs to change. There is a clear, ongoing failure of unaccountable party leadership to address the extremist, unlibertarian entryism that is occurring.

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-us-senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-principles-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/

    And it has only gotten worse. Show me the equivalent “communist infiltration” next to this please.

  7. Anthony Dlugos

    “Yeah, it’s pretty sad. Sharpe is not being very sharp with that one. But then he did go on the fascist podcasts with Ramsey in Florida, with the same “Mad American Network” that had people literally sieg heiling with Augustus in Harrisburg.

    Meanwhile on LNC list Larry Sharpe says

    My two cents,

    Ed and Steven both say leave it alone. So, leave it alone.

    They may be wrong, but the odds of them being wrong are far lower than the
    odds of our meddling making things worse.

    This false need to create an equivalence is pathetic.”

    Not to start an argument, but here’s my pragmatic-oriented opinion on what paulie refers to here:

    I’ll repeat that I think Mr. Sharpe’s personal story, the political route he took, and the way he delivers his story and why people should consider libertarianism is as good as I have ever heard. The first part of this podcast made me wish…once again…that we had a paid position as a public-facing representative in the MSM.

    But, maybe because he seems to be a more natural fit for a top leadership position in the LP itself, I don’t hear him making the case for why the people of New York should vote for him. I contrast this with Cliff Hyra in Virginia, who I think is making a damn good case for why Virginians…all Virginians…should vote for him. In other words, a way of maximizing vote totals, which starts with the brute fact that there just ain’t enough Libertarians in ANY state to ever bother concerning yourself with their votes. They’re gonna vote for you anyway. The tiny number who don’t because of sins against the NAP are easily ignored.

    I think he kind of compounds this tactical mistake…making his message about what he is going to do for Libertarians…by viewing the LP in a static sense: trying to make peace among various factions in the party as they exist today.

    Contrast this with GovJohnson’s Bake The Cake bruhaha: that campaign’s explicit point on that issue was that there is no point in running a general election campaign with a doctrinaire libertarian position on public accommodations. As I am sure I have mentioned before here, taking such a doctrinaire position just to appease a tiny sliver of Libertarians only to get torpedoed in the general election when some reporter asks him about a restaurant in Mississippi putting up a “No Blacks Allowed” sign is just the textbook definition of shooting your own campaign in the foot. Johnson bit the bullet at the Convention, and if he lost him the nomination, its not a nomination worth having anyway.

    Why is Sharpe bothering trying to create that false equivalency? Why is he appearing on that lowlife’s show? Why doesn’t he understand he can gain more political currency in the general population by calling such people out rather than trying to appease?

    I remember Mr. Sharpe appearing on social media elsewhere…sometime right around the time he announced his campaign for Governor…trying to smooth over some kind of disagreement he had with some party radicals over some inside baseball issue. For god’s sake why, I thought? He’s running for governor of the state with the financial capital of the world in it and the most important bank in the federal reserve. I’m at a loss as to why he tells the purists anything but to go pound salt, no offense intended. They can’t help him get elected and any concessions made to them will cost more that its worth in the larger electorate.

    But that does make sense from the perspective of someone who has some level of desire to be in a leadership position of the party…as it exists today. Which itself is a mistake as I noted, since being the head of a Libertarian Party as it exists today is…what’s the point? Although at some points he does definitely seem to understand that our product as it exists today sucks rocks and is unsellable to the general population.

    That’s my two cents.

  8. paulie

    I’ll repeat that I think Mr. Sharpe’s personal story, the political route he took, and the way he delivers his story and why people should consider libertarianism is as good as I have ever heard.

    I agree, and especially given that he is bi/multiracial himself it’s especially disappointing that he is not more aware of the danger of white nationalist entryism in the LP.

  9. paulie

    But, maybe because he seems to be a more natural fit for a top leadership position in the LP itself, I don’t hear him making the case for why the people of New York should vote for him. I contrast this with Cliff Hyra in Virginia, who I think is making a damn good case for why Virginians…all Virginians…should vote for him.

    Hyra’s election is in a few days. NY is not for another year. I think as the election gets closer it’s more likely Sharpe will focus more on NY voters.

  10. paulie

    Why is Sharpe bothering trying to create that false equivalency? Why is he appearing on that lowlife’s show? Why doesn’t he understand he can gain more political currency in the general population by calling such people out rather than trying to appease?

    Excellent questions.

  11. Anthony Dlugos

    I’m at a loss. You’re running for Governor of New York. One look at one of these pics you posted tells me the dude might as well have a Born To Lose tattoo on his face and can’t help me AT ALL.

  12. George Phillies

    “…maybe because he seems to be a more natural fit for a top leadership position in the LP itself,…”

    It should be transparently obvious that he is building up friends across America who will support his 2018 campaign, following which he will be targeting our 2020 Presidential nomination.

  13. Andy

    Under property rights and freedom of association, both of which are at the heart of libertarian principles, people have the right to form voluntary enclaves, and disassociate with whoever they want, for whatever reason. So white nationalists, black nationalists, Hispanic nationalists, Muslim nationalists, Jewish nationalist, etc…, should all be libertarians (note that when I say nation, I do not mean that I prefer them to have coercive states, but rather voluntary communities that do not aggress against those whom they exclude from their voluntary community), as should everyone else, even socialists/communists, as libertarianism would not prevent them from forming voluntary communes that operate in accordance to their principles.

    Kudos to Mr. Sharpe for recognizing that the libertarian philosophy can accept people of all lifestyle preferences so long as they do not initiate force or fraud.

  14. Andy

    I do agree with Anthony Dlugos that Larry Sharpe has been doing a great job thus far of spreading the Libertarian message, and he would likely do well in some kind of spokesman capacity for the party (which he is sort of in right now as a candidate for the LP of NY’s gubernatorial nomination). It seems to be rare that Anthony Dlugos and I agree on something.

    I wish that Sharpe had one the LP’s VP nomination last year, instead of Anthony’s choice, Bill Weld. I don’t see how any libertarian could have thought that Weld was a better choice for the LP’s VP nomination than Sharpe.

  15. paulie

    Under property rights and freedom of association, both of which are at the heart of libertarian principles, people have the right to form voluntary enclaves, and disassociate with whoever they want, for whatever reason. So white nationalists, black nationalists, Hispanic nationalists, Muslim nationalists, Jewish nationalist, etc…, should all be libertarians

    Nice theory. But you’d have to be pretty fucking dense or intentionally ignorant to not figure out that they don’t just want to use voluntary means to form enclaves.

    Kudos to Mr. Sharpe for recognizing that the libertarian philosophy can accept people of all lifestyle preferences so long as they do not initiate force or fraud.

    In the real world, they do in fact initiate lots and lots of force and fraud and justifiably bring disrepute to anyone who seems even for a second to be any kind of ally of theirs. You’d have to be completely tone deaf and fuck-stupid to not recognize it.

  16. Anthony Dlugos

    It should be transparently obvious that he is building up friends across America who will support his 2018 campaign, following which he will be targeting our 2020 Presidential nomination.

    No time like the present to start ignoring people who can’t help you…towards either goal.

  17. Anthony Dlugos

    “I don’t see how any libertarian could have thought that Weld was a better choice for the LP’s VP nomination than Sharpe.”

    There was a job on the other end of that election, one that Weld was more qualified for. A LOT more qualified for.

    The LP isn’t a member services organization, where we nominate people that WE like hearing from. We nominate people who we think the general, non-Libertarian public will like hearing from. And that public expects qualified candidates first, libertarians second.

    Its not about us.

  18. William Saturn

    “There was a job on the other end of that election, one that Weld was more qualified for. A LOT more qualified for.”

    You mean had a shinier badge.

    The Perry-Bentivolio ticket me and a few others advocated would have been a perfect mix of radical and shiny badge.

  19. Anthony Dlugos

    “You mean had a shinier badge.”

    No, I mean he had A badge. The only one running for V.P. who actually did.

  20. George Phillies

    Readers will be amused to learn that Weld has indicated that inside Massachusetts he will be fundraising and supporting his Republican friends, and not the candidates of the local Libertarian Association, to which he belongs, even though Massachusetts Libertarians plan to run a candidate for statewide office next year. That’s what you get for running Republicans.

    Having had Weld as Governor, I find the notion that he would be effective if he happened to win the nationwide office to be a bit odd.

  21. Anthony Dlugos

    Wake up, George.

    First, Governor Weld is a Libertarian. Second, he was a Republican in Massachusetts for a long time, and these are long term friends he is fundraising and supporting. The sane Libertarian would do the only sensible thing in this instance: cut the Governor some slack.

    The comedian Chris Rock once said that a man is as faithful as his options. Ditto for politicians. The only politicians we could be sure with absolute certainty would ONLY fundraise and support Libertarians wouldn’t be worth having as fundraisers and supporters. This is reality.

    The best way we can be assured a man with the resume of Bill Weld doesn’t want to raise money for another party is to create a party he wouldn’t want to leave. Until then, you’re getting the cart and the horse mixed up.

  22. George Phillies

    Our Republican troll continues to argue for new schemes to destroy my but not his Libertarian party. It is not surprising that he is now arguing for stabbing our aprty in the back. No honest, sane Libertarian would put up with such nonsense as ‘I joined your party, but I am raising money for the old one, even though they may be running against real Libertarians.’

  23. Andy

    William Saturn said: “You mean had a shinier badge.

    The Perry-Bentivolio ticket me and a few others advocated would have been a perfect mix of radical and shiny badge.”

    Bentivolio was a joke. The guy jumped in the race for VP late and then dropped out before the national convention, and then quit the party shortly afterward. This guy should not have ever been taken seriously as a candidate for the LP.

    The VP nominee should have been either Larry Sharpe or Will Coley. Any of the other main candidates for VP would have also been better than Bill Weld.

  24. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    October 29, 2017 at 20:24
    Wake up, George.

    First, Governor Weld is a Libertarian.”

    Bill Weld may have lied and signed the LP’s membership oath, and he may have sent in membership dues, so this makes him a member of the Libertarian Party, but this does not make him a libertarian, because if you analyze his views and actions, both pre-nomination and post-nomination, you will see that his views and actions are far from being somebody who is any kind of libertarian.

    ” Second, he was a Republican in Massachusetts for a long time, and these are long term friends he is fundraising and supporting. The sane Libertarian would do the only sensible thing in this instance: cut the Governor some slack.”

    These people are not remotely libertarian. A real libertarian would want to raise money for people who are actually libertarians.

    “The comedian Chris Rock once said that a man is as faithful as his options. Ditto for politicians. The only politicians we could be sure with absolute certainty would ONLY fundraise and support Libertarians wouldn’t be worth having as fundraisers and supporters. This is reality.”

    The Libertarian Party doesn’t need weasely politicians who will stab us in the back every chance they get.

    As for Bill Weld’s fundraising prowess, it really wasn’t that great, as he did not bring anywhere near as much money for the Johnson/Weld campaign as his supporters claimed he would. $10-$12 million, only some of which came in because of Weld, is chump change for a presidential campaign.

    I have heard from two people who used the Johnson/Weld fundraising list to try to raise money for the Libertarian Party post election. Both said that they encountered a lot of people on the list who had no interest in the Libertarian Party, and who only donated because they were attempting to sway the presidential race. They were not able to raise much money from this list.

    Part of the reason for the Libertarian Party to run a presidential campaign is to build the party, in terms of membership and fundraising for future campaigns. LP dues paying membership is already crashing from last year (and even at the peak last year, dues paying party membership was still quite a bit lower than it was when it was at its peak in 2000-2001), and the Johnson/Weld fundraising list is proving to be not worth as much to the Libertarian Party as some people had hoped that it would be.

  25. Andy

    “George Phillies
    October 29, 2017 at 20:08
    Readers will be amused to learn that Weld has indicated that inside Massachusetts he will be fundraising and supporting his Republican friends, and not the candidates of the local Libertarian Association, to which he belongs, even though Massachusetts Libertarians plan to run a candidate for statewide office next year. That’s what you get for running Republicans.”

    Is there anyway to kick Bill Weld out of the Libertarian Party? This man is a traitor to the party and the cause.

  26. Andy

    Anthony Dlugos said: “No, I mean he had A badge. The only one running for V.P. who actually did.”

    Who give a shit about having a “Shiny Badge” if there are no libertarian principles behind it?

    Bill Weld is so far from being a libertarian that I can’t believe that we are even having this conversation.

  27. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie,
    I agree with you that they, them, those of the awful right are a larger and greater current issue for the LP lately compared to they, them, those of the awful left… HOWEVER part of that might well be because awful leftists have been joining the libertarian movement longer and are better at disguising themselves as actual libertarians.

  28. paulie

    Who are these “awful leftists”? Can you name any? Ramsey says I’m one of them, but that’s horseshit as I already explained. Honestly I don’t know who they are. What is the evidence that they exist and that they are in fact anything other than actual libertarians? Before anyone brings up Shipley, Kuehnel and the miniscule “socialist caucus” yes they do exist, but with not enough actual supporters to count on your fingers before moving to the toes that are actual LP members and likely to show up at national or any state convention. Having a hundred people in your group, including people who are not LP members and LP members who don’t agree with you, does not count. And there’s no incident anywhere of them threatening violence against anyone that I have heard of unlike the fash.

    Name some names. Provide some examples of them intimidating people. Where’s the evidence?

  29. Anon-Tipper

    I can’t believe Sharpe went on this podcast, this is the kind of shit the LvMI pushes:

    Praising Pinochet: https://mises.org/blog/general-augusto-pinochet-dead

    Chistopher Chase Rachels: writes at Radical Capitalist (alt-right) https://radicalcapitalist.org/2017/07/20/black-vs-white-iq-culture-and-civilization/
    https://mises.org/profile/christopher-chase-rachels

    Joseph Sobran: fired from National Review for antisemitism, gave lectures at the Institute for Historical Review, and wrote for American Renaissance.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Sobran
    https://mises.org/blog/joseph-sobran-1946-2010

  30. Anthony Dlugos

    GP,

    “Our Republican troll continues to argue for new schemes to destroy my but not his Libertarian party.”

    Republican troll? I’m pro-choice, pro-immigrant, desperately wish that “Building Bridges, Not Walls” would have won the contest for the 2018 motto, and would support a public censure of Ron Paul, Woods, et al at the 2018 Convention. We’re not even close to far enough left, in my opinion.

    I’m no Republican troll. I would take the same position with any Democrat that defected to our party but still kept in contact with their Democratic friends: I look at both of them as bridge builders to further defections, so I’d cut them both slack from a pragmatic perspective.

    But you don’t fool me. The primary reason for you pointing out Weld’s understandable actions from a human, professional perspective is the same as your mission to suggest nefarious activities in the Johnson fundraising actions last year: keep the party a small pond and one you can stay in control of.

    Every purist argument is window dressing to keep out the more qualified.

  31. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie,
    Let’s start with the part where I say “I agree with you that they, them, those of the awful right are a larger and greater current issue for the LP lately”. I’d say I agree with you 95% and quibble with you 5%. That’s not enough? I am not going to agree with you 100% and I am not going to disagree with you 0%. I don’t agree with you or Thomas Knapp 100% and that is -OK- by me.

    Even with the internet physical location is key. I don’t live in Florida where much of this awfulness is happening. I live in Phoenix, Arizona. A certain MS of the Libertarian Socialist Caucus lives probably not more than 5 miles away from where I live. I’ve known this guy for many years and he doesn’t seem all that bad apart from his apparent recent liking of the word socialist.

    paulie, I hope that you don’t live in Florida and stay physically far away from the awful rightists that have joined the LP of Florida. I don’t care to name other names that I feel are either questionable libertarians or undercover socialists or secret crypto-communists or overtly claimed Libertarian Socialists (I usually slot those people as brain damaged). All those people will eventually out themselves by their words and actions.

  32. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie,
    I’ll offer you a link and an assertion that at least one member of the Libertarian Socialist Caucus is both a member of the Executive Committee of the Arizona Libertarian Party AND went to the LP national convention in 2016 (I actually saw him enter the gate to his plane on the way to Florida). His picture would appear to be have been taken at the very floor of the convention.

    Take a look: http://www.azlp.org/executive_committee

  33. Michael

    Larry Sharpe, pro and con:

    Pro: principled.
    Pro: travels all over to help Libertarians in other states.
    Pro: taking on a ballot access race (NY requires 50,000 votes for governor. No Libertarian has done that yet.)
    Pro: inspires people to work on the next level where we are a 20% party or a 40% party instead of a 3% party.

    Con: hasn’t ever actually run in a public race yet

    I’m allergic to the “turn New York gold” kool-aid, but I like his enthusiasm. I’ll help pay his travel bills and I’m very enthusiastic about getting ballot status in New York state.

  34. paulie

    I’ll offer you a link and an assertion that at least one member of the Libertarian Socialist Caucus is both a member of the Executive Committee of the Arizona Libertarian Party AND went to the LP national convention in 2016 (I actually saw him enter the gate to his plane on the way to Florida). His picture would appear to be have been taken at the very floor of the convention.

    Yes, I roomed with Shipley among iirc 6 people in the room there so I know. Actually, he was not in the socialist caucus yet at that time and was not yet a socialist as far as I know. I did say there is a very tiny socialist caucus but again they are nowhere nearly as big as the alt right racist invasion, and unlike the fascists, I’m not aware of the socialist caucus using threats to intimidate people.

    Yeah, Shipley is on the AZLP exec comm. So what? Is he pushing several of the party’s statewide candidates and former chairs along with dozens of other former party activists to leave the LP the way the fash down Florida are? Is he intimidating family members? Threatening people with arrest, prosecution and lawsuits? Harassing family members?

    Again the false equivalence is just ridiculous.

  35. paulie

    Let’s start with the part where I say “I agree with you that they, them, those of the awful right are a larger and greater current issue for the LP lately”. I’d say I agree with you 95% and quibble with you 5%. That’s not enough? I am not going to agree with you 100% and I am not going to disagree with you 0%. I don’t agree with you or Thomas Knapp 100% and that is -OK- by me.

    It doesn’t matter whether you agree with me 0% or 5% or 50% or 100%. What matters is to what extent you are right and to what extent you are wrong. If I am any % wrong about any of this I want to know exactly how so.

  36. paulie

    paulie, I hope that you don’t live in Florida and stay physically far away from the awful rightists that have joined the LP of Florida.

    I live all over the country, with my home base being in Alabama and work location since June being in the Cincinnati, Ohio area. But the bad news for me is that the fash are not restricted to Florida. There is a network of white supremacist groups in this area, just like pretty much anywhere in the US among many other countries, and some of them have known connections to some of the fash in Florida who are infecting the LP. They Florida LP fash have already made it very clear that their plan is to spread their invasion of the LP to other states. And in the meantime if they want to physically attack me personally they are not restricted in only asking their fellow racists who have joined the LP to do it. If they want to use members of say the Traditionalist Workers Party to attack me in Cincinnati, what’s to stop them?

  37. Anthony Dlugos

    I also noticed from the podcast that Woods bristled at one of Larry’s strongest selling points: his meandering travels through the political wilderness, getting interested in the Green Party and then Obama, Mr. Hope and Change, before landing with the LP.

    Larry’s too nice of a guy. I was ready to reach through my internet connection and strangle the insufferable, holier-than-thouWoods at that point.

  38. Thane Eichenauer

    Anon-Tipper at October 30, 2017 at 09:57

    “I can’t believe Sharpe went on this podcast, this is the kind of shit the LvMI pushes:”

    Your statement would make plenty more sense if Tom Woods had control over what is published at mises.org. If you have any complaint with what statements Larry Sharpe made while on the podcast or what horrible evil questions Tom Woods made or didn’t during the podcast it might just qualify as a relevant comment.

  39. Thane Eichenauer

    Anthony Dlugos,

    “I also noticed from the podcast that Woods bristled at one point”

    Would you point out a time stamp where this was? I listened to the entire episode from beginning to end. I admit that I might not be well tuned to hearing bristling.

  40. Tony From Long Island

    AD: Just ignore anyone who calls you a TROLL. It just means they have nothing.

    You and I share a lot of issues. But Andy never seems to call you a Democrat like he does me . . . . well, of course, I AM a Democrat now, but that’s beside the point.

    You might need to break off like I did before the LP gets associated with the white-nationalists who are infiltrating it. . . . not to mention the troofers and anarchists . . .

  41. Anthony Dlugos

    “Your statement would make plenty more sense if Tom Woods had control over what is published at mises.org.”

    This is politics. MAKE him responsible.

    If I was Sharpe, I would have said I am not appearing on a podcast of someone who is associated with what is quickly becoming a white nationalist sympathizing organization. Woods has tweeted out some WN dog whistle recently. People like that get away with it when no one calls them out.

    Make the stand here, and now. Make the bastards make a decision: side with the LP or side with the white nationalists and their sympathizers.

  42. Anthony Dlugos

    Tony From L.I.:

    “You might need to break off like I did before the LP gets associated with the white-nationalists who are infiltrating it. . . . not to mention the troofers and anarchists . . .”

    I might, but folks like paulie and Thomas K make me think there is still a chance to pull us back from the brink.

  43. Anthony Dlugos

    Let’s be real: Woods and his dopey podcast give someone running for Governor of New York, with an eye on a 2020 presidential run, NOTHING. Exactly NOTHING. They are useless pustules. Play the long game; Larry would gain a lot more by calling them out and telling them he doesn’t want their support than he would gain by appearing on the podcast.

  44. paulie

    folks like paulie and Thomas K make me think there is still a chance to pull us back from the brink.

    Two anarchists, LOL.

  45. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie,
    You commented above: “If I am any % wrong about any of this I want to know exactly how so.”

    The entirety of my comments above are largely if not nearly in their entirety my personal opinion and as such are 100% right, correct and valid to me. I don’t have any additional words to add. I have never been to Florida nor any place outside Arizona for many, many years. I am a nearly invisible audience member relative to all these problems with the greater Ryan Ramsey network.

    If I have made any untrue statements of fact you have proved well that you are fully capable of commenting including lovely italicized and indented block quotes clearly identifying my wrongness. I am personally of the opinion that you are creating molehills out of nearly invisible quibbles.

    I assert to you that “These are not the quibbles you are looking for.”
    “These aren’t the Droids you’re looking for. . .”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=532j-186xEQ

    I’ll attempt to close with a Dennis Miller saying… “This is just MY opinion, I could be wrong …”
    “Dennis Miller’s 1969 rant”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diTlVFPVEgQ

  46. Anthony Dlugos

    anyone willing to fight off the alt-reich incursion is all right, and pretty much indispensable in my book.

  47. paulie

    Thane,

    I don’t disagree with any actual evidence you provided, nor does any of it indicate that anything I said is wrong in any way whatsoever. If it does please show where and how. I had already acknowledge that the Libertarian Socialist Caucus exists, just that it is tiny and unaggressive and in no way a threat to any state LP or the national LP or to any individuals. Thus I stand by my prior statements that any attempts to equate them to the fascist threat to the LP are misguided – in many cases intentionally. You appear to agree as in you said the right does pose a bigger threat now in the LP. So if we disagree on any point of fact I don’t see where.

  48. paulie

    Unless you know of a way to actually reach through the internet and strangle someone it is obviously a metaphor for being angry at someone’s comments, not the literal intent to physically assault them for making those comments.

  49. Anthony Dlugos

    “Unless you know of a way to actually reach through the internet and strangle someone it is obviously a metaphor for being angry at someone’s comments..”

    Correct.

    Larry handled the interview better than I would have, I’ll concede that.

  50. paulie

    never seems to call you a Democrat like he does me . . . . well, of course, I AM a Democrat now, but that’s beside the point.

    Are you sure it’s beside the point?

  51. dL

    Libertarian Socialist Caucus

    Thane, you’ve spent enough time in the libertarian blogosphere to know the difference “libertarian socialism” and state communism. Perhaps an ignorant wingnut would call someone like, say, Benjamin Tucker a commie. But you know better. And you are simply being duplicitous here.

  52. Thane Eichenauer

    “Unless you know of a way to actually reach through the internet and strangle someone it is obviously a metaphor for being angry at someone’s comments..”

    Yea, it is all a figure of speech when the metaphor is aimed at someone else.

  53. dL

    The sane Libertarian would do the only sensible thing in this instance: cut the Governor some slack.

    Anthony, you are a habitual doublethinker. Constantly whining about sanity, but the fact is that no sane partisan political party would ever nor should ever tolerate something like that. You like to employ analogies to make a point. Well, i got one for you: $2 whore.

  54. Anthony Dlugos

    “…the fact is that no sane partisan political party would ever nor should ever tolerate something like that. ”

    Depends on the size and wherewithal of the party. In that sense, I am a doublethinker.

    We have no size and werewhithal in a comparative sense.

    I submit to you and Mr. Phillies that you are both smart enough to know that, and realize demanding a politician…any politician…with the resume of a Governor Weld treats us like he would treat the GOP or Democratic Parties would do exactly what you want it to do: keep us small and insignificant by shooing away anyone with a decent resume who has options, like the aforementioned in-demand men Chris Rock referred to in his joke.

    This is no different than the purist argument that the Libertarian Party needs to operate differently since we are a third party.

    Pure subterfuge. That’s people who don’t want to sully their utopian dogma, so they create an argument to keep us in third party status permanently, and they can therefore yap incessantly about private defense agencies, the NAP, or whatever religious mantra they enjoying hearing themselves utter.

    You can throw the “Winning is not our goal” crew in that category too. What they mean to say is, “As long as winning isn’t our goal, I can be a nobody nothing with no resume and run for President/Vice President/Governor, etc.”

  55. Thane Eichenauer

    dL at October 30, 2017 at 12:45 comments: “And you are simply being duplicitous here.”

    Dang dL, why hide behind high-falutin’ vocabulary words when you could simply state that I am engaging in deceptive behavior? Perhaps you use a different dictionary than the one I use?
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/duplicitous

    Why ever would YOU bring up Benjamin Tucker? I didn’t. I admit that I’ve read much much more from Jeffrey Tucker and about Jeffrey Tucker than Benjamin Tucker.

    You may be overestimating the amount of abstract political knowledge I have acquired from many an hour reading and commenting on the blogosphere. Anytime I hear or read the word socialism or communism without a denunciation I presume that the speaker is either evil or brain damaged or an unhealed victim of the government school system. When I hear of someone wanting to sell Libertarian Socialism I am inclined to believe that someone is trying to give intellectual herpes (socialism) to a concept that I rather like (libertarianism).

    It is possible that Libertarian Socialism is a concept worthy of fine appreciation and not an idea to be stomped to death like a radioactive blood sucking cockroach. Do you have a link that would clarify or reverse my instinctive revulsion to the idea? Please limit your referral (singular) to a document of less than 3,000 words.

  56. paulie

    Yea, it is all a figure of speech when the metaphor is aimed at someone else.

    It’s a lot different than asking someone if they have a good dental plan or the other threats the fash make. More false equivalence.

  57. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    October 30, 2017 at 10:59
    Let’s be real: Woods and his dopey podcast give someone running for Governor of New York, with an eye on a 2020 presidential run, NOTHING. Exactly NOTHING. They are useless pustules. Play the long game; Larry would gain a lot more by calling them out and telling them he doesn’t want their support than he would gain by appearing on the podcast.”

    You don’t seem to get it, Anthony. Larry Sharpe appearing on The Tom Woods Show is not like Larry appearing on some mainstream TV or radio show, and nobody, even Tom Woods, is claiming that it is.

    Tom Woods is an important figure in the libertarian world though. He’s got one of the top libertarian podcasts out there, and Tom Woods is a well respected person in the libertarian movement. Larry appearing on The Tom Woods Show helps to get Larry’s name out to people in the greater libertarian community who may not know who Larry Sharpe is yet, and these are people who are the most likely to donate money, and/or act as volunteers, for his campaign.

  58. Tony From Long Island

    Larry Sharpe: “I joined when I heard Gary Johnson speak . . . ”

    LOL . . . I guess Andy has to cross him off his 2020 list.

  59. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    October 30, 2017 at 10:34
    I also noticed from the podcast that Woods bristled at one of Larry’s strongest selling points: his meandering travels through the political wilderness, getting interested in the Green Party and then Obama, Mr. Hope and Change, before landing with the LP.

    Larry’s too nice of a guy. I was ready to reach through my internet connection and strangle the insufferable, holier-than-thouWoods at that point.”

    You completely misinterpreted Tom Woods’ point. I have followed Tom Woods for a long time and I can tell you that he is well aware of the fact that not everyone starts their political journey as a libertarian. Tom himself has said that he started out as a mainstream Republican, and he’s said that some of the things that he thought back in his mainstream Republican days now make him cringe.

  60. Tony From Long Island

    I’m 11 minutes in and I notice one thing . . . . he doesn’t shut the hell up. . . .

    The word “concise” doesn’t seem to exist in his lexicon.

  61. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    October 30, 2017 at 14:08
    Larry Sharpe: ‘I joined when I heard Gary Johnson speak . . . ‘

    LOL . . . I guess Andy has to cross him off his 2020 list.”

    Nope. I am already aware of the fact that Larry Sharpe got interested in the Libertarian Party after he heard Gary Johnson in the 2012 election season. While this is a concern for me because I am not a fan of Gary Johnson at all, I have yet to hear Larry Sharpe say anything that makes me want to not support him. Johnson in 2012, while still not to my liking, did not sound as bad as Johnson 2016 (my theory as to why is because he was already planning for/wanted to leave the opportunity open for, a 2nd LP campaign for President in 2016, and he, and his campaign staff knew that if they had “taken off their mask” and pulled all of the stuff they pulled in 2016 in 2012, that there would not have been a Johnson 2016, as there would have been too much opposition to him in 2016 for him to have a realistic chance of being nominated again, and even as it was, he barely won the nomination the second time; and on top of this, there was also the influence of Bill Weld in 2016, who only served to make Johnson worse than he already was, but of course if Johnson had any real libertarian principles, he never would have wanted to run with Bill Weld in the first place).

    It is possible that Larry Sharpe already had some natural libertarian instincts, but that he just did not know what a libertarian was, and that when he heard Gary Johnson say some libertarian sounding stuff in 2012 (and as I said above, even though I did not support Johnson in 2012, I will say that he sounded better in 2012 than he did in 2016), it sparked his interest, and got him into looking more deeply into the Libertarian Party and philosophy, and from everything I have heard from Larry Sharpe so far, he sounds like his is more libertarian than Gary Johnson, and he sounds like somebody who I would call a libertarian.

    Is Larry Sharpe among the most radical libertarians around? He said that he supports voluntaryism, but that he thinks that moving toward a voluntary society is a process, so he support incremental steps to move society in that direction.

    I do not have a problem with incrementalism, so long as it is really incrementalism that leads in the right direction.

    One of the early “red flags” about Gary Johnson for me was his support of the Fair Tax. I do not consider the Fair Tax to be an incremental step toward liberty, because even its proponents say that it is designed to be revenue neutral, as in it is meant to bring in as much tax revenue for the government as the present income tax brings them. Also, the prebate portion of the Fair Tax plan essentially puts everyone in the country on welfare, and it involves the federal government in everyone’s transactions of goods and services, and it would be more difficult for people to avoid than the income tax. There is also the possibility of ending up with both an income tax and the Fair Tax (ie-a national sales tax), but even if that does not happen, the Fair Tax itself is toxic enough that it ought to be avoided, and it fails to address the bigger problems, such as out of control government spending (much of which is spent on programs that are completely unconstitutional) and the Federal Reserve System and fiat currency.

    Austin Petersen’s campaign called for a 10% flat tax, which I am not wild about either, but at least Petersen’s plan was an overall reduction in taxes and a step in the right direction, and he was not creating a whole new bureaucracy and putting everyone in the country on welfare, like the plan that Johnson supported. So although I was not thrilled with Petersen’s tax plan, I could have lived with it, as in it did not rise to the level of being a deal breaker for me, like Johnson’s tax plan was (and support for the Fair Tax was not the only thing wrong with Gary Johnson).

    I don’t think that every candidate has to run on the most radical platform for their office (I leave a range of discretion up to the candidate), nor do I think that a candidate has to agree with me on every little detail of everything (if I nitpicked candidates to that extent, I probably would not ever support anyone).

    I like what I have heard from Larry Sharpe thus far (I voted for him to be the LP’s VP nominee on the 2nd ballot in Orlando, and I almost voted for him on the 1st ballot, but I decided to vote for Will Coley instead due to the way that he attacked Bill Weld and defended the private ownership of military style assault rifles), and I will continue to support him until he gives me a reason to not support him, which has not happened so far.

  62. paulie

    I’m 11 minutes in and I notice one thing . . . . he doesn’t shut the hell up. . . .

    The word “concise” doesn’t seem to exist in his lexicon.

    You mean one of Andy’s comments here?

  63. Andy

    Anthony Dlugos said: “If I was Sharpe, I would have said I am not appearing on a podcast of someone who is associated with what is quickly becoming a white nationalist sympathizing organization.”

    A “white nationalist” organization that is named after a Jew, Ludwig von Mises, that had a Jew as one of its founders and most influential members, in Murray Rothbard, and who has a well known (relatively speaking) Jewish libertarian on its staff today, in Walter Block. LOL!

    Keep trying with the smears, Anthony. Maybe you’ll find a better one someday.

    Here’s another example of how Anthony is full of shit. Libertarian YouTuber, That’ Guy T, aka-Taleed Brown, attended the summer program at the Mises Institute earlier this year.

    Here is video footage of That Guy T at the Mises Institute:

    Video description posted by That Guy T on YouTube: “Tho Bishop joins me to discuss Mises University 2017, Austrian Economics, Anti-Capitalist terrorism and more. We will also do live Superchat Q&A towards the end. All Superchat donations will be given to the Mises Institute to help fund future scholarships.”

    Tho Bishop: Mises University 2017

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta-ezKKfkeI

  64. Anthony Dlugos

    “Tom Woods is an important figure in the libertarian world though.”

    which don’t mean jack in the larger electorate. In New York or any state. Easily ignored.

  65. Andy

    So the people at the Mises Institute hate black people so much that they had That Guy T (aka-Taleed Brown), who is black, there this summer.

    I would love to see a debate between That Guy T and Anthony Dlugos. I bet that T would destroy Dlugos.

  66. paulie

    Mises had nothing to do with the Mises Institute, which disgraces his name. Yes, Rothbard was a Jew, but he also supported at various times Strom Thurmond, Richard Nixon, Pat Buchanan and David Duke. Walter Block continues that tradition by shilling for Donald Trump. A few token blacks or whoever else doesn’t change the fact of who all and what all they have made alliances with, made excuses for, brought into the libertarian tent and helped normalize. It damages the entire libertarian movement by association.

  67. Andy

    “paulie
    October 30, 2017 at 15:21
    Mises had nothing to do with the Mises Institute, which disgraces his name. ”

    Yes, he was dead by the time that the Institute came around, but I disagree that the Institute disgraces his name.

    Here is a current list of the Mises Institute’s faculty and staff. I have not run a DNA test on all of their members, but scrolling through the list you will see some Hispanic looking Hispanics, some India Indians, and a few Jews.

    https://mises.org/faculty-staff

  68. Anthony Dlugos

    “Here is a current list of the Mises Institute’s faculty and staff. I have not run a DNA test on all of their members, but scrolling through the list you will see some Hispanic looking Hispanics, some India Indians, and a few Jews.”

    ROFL!

  69. Andy

    Acting as though Larry Sharpe tainted himself because he appeared on The Tom Woods Show, because Tom Woods is associated with the Mises Institute, and some people who are also associated with the Mises Institute said some things that are alleged to have been nasty, shows just that Anthony is out-of-touch with most of the libertarian movement (the Mises Institute also has Ron Paul and Andrew Napolitano on its faculty, and most libertarians consider them to be the two most prominent libertarians in the country), and how irrational he is.

    Let’s say that Larry Sharpe appeared on Rachel Maddow’s show? Does this mean that he must agree with Rachel Maddow, and is now tainted for appearing on her show? How about if Larry Shapre appeared on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman? Would this mean that Larry would now be tainted?

    If anything, appearing on The Tom Woods Show gives Larry Sharpe more “street cred” with most libertarians, and this will only enhance his status as a candidate and help his campaign.

    Also, as I mentioned before, The Tom Woods Show is one of the top libertarian podcasts out there. If you are a candidate for office, you want as many people to hear about you as possible. Larry appearing on The Tom Woods Show helps get the name Larry Sharpe out to more people.

  70. paulie

    Here is a current list of the Mises Institute’s faculty and staff. I have not run a DNA test on all of their members, but scrolling through the list you will see some Hispanic looking Hispanics, some India Indians, and a few Jews.

    Yes, but again. A few token blacks or whoever else doesn’t change the fact of who all and what all they have made alliances with, made excuses for, brought into the libertarian tent and helped normalize. It damages the entire libertarian movement by association.

  71. Anthony Dlugos

    Rachel has a bigger audience. If he had a choice, its a no-brainer.

    I don’t think Larry tainted himself. I just think he could have made more political hay out of refusing the appearance rather than going on the show. As I noted above, the sooner someone running under the LP banner distances him or herself from the white nationalist incursion, the better.

    You never know when that stuff could break out into the larger media, and Mr. Sharpe could say that he refused the appearance all along.

  72. Matt

    I’m 11 minutes in and I notice one thing . . . . he doesn’t shut the hell up. . . .

    The word “concise” doesn’t seem to exist in his lexicon.
    You mean one of Andy’s comments here?

    That sounds about right.

  73. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie,
    I find Anthony Dlugos’ use of words to be deplorable. I find your back flips to ignore his deplorable words to be disappointing. Simply because you have accused someone of violent threats does not make Anthony Dlugos’ use of words above admirable behavior.

  74. Anthony Dlugos

    yes, I also recently called “principle” the hood rats of politics, but apparently paulie is the only one who didn’t take that one literally either.

  75. Tony From Long Island

    Thane, what “words” are you referring to? Having done a quick perusal of prior posts on this thread, I see nothing from AD that would be “deplorable.” Maybe I missed it.

  76. Anthony Dlugos

    I said I wanted to reach through the internet connection and strangle Woods at one point doing this podcast.

    I actually have no such ability.

  77. Tony From Long Island

    That’s what was “deplorable?” Not any of the alt-right racist crap on this site? None of Andy’s conspiracy troofer crap? Wow . . .

    I’d like to reach through the internet connection and shake your hand.

    I actually have no such ability.

  78. Anthony Dlugos

    That’s what was “deplorable?”

    Not atypical for certain folks. Play dumb about dog whistles like “blood and soil,” and the other alt-right racist crap you refer to, and then go hyper-snowflake regarding an obvious joke.

  79. George Phillies

    “… some people who are also associated with the Mises Institute said some things that are alleged to have been nasty…”

    The appear to have been associated with someone who wrote a volume of southern civil war reconstructionism. You can get nastier than that, but it requires work.

  80. paulie

    I find your back flips to ignore his deplorable words to be disappointing.

    No back flips involved. I’m not that flexible.

    Simply because you have accused someone of violent threats

    And posted a bunch of them, including two made to me, plus testimony from numerous other people and the fact that 5 of 5 Florida LP statewide candidates have now left the party.

  81. paulie

    Not atypical for certain folks. Play dumb about dog whistles like “blood and soil,” and the other alt-right racist crap you refer to, and then go hyper-snowflake regarding an obvious joke.

    Sad.

    The appear to have been associated with someone who wrote a volume of southern civil war reconstructionism. You can get nastier than that, but it requires work.

    It takes blood and soil.

  82. Tony From Long Island

    Since there is no problem with immigration, I won’t bother with that link.

  83. Andy

    “George Phillies
    October 31, 2017 at 08:11
    ‘… some people who are also associated with the Mises Institute said some things that are alleged to have been nasty…’

    The appear to have been associated with someone who wrote a volume of southern civil war reconstructionism. You can get nastier than that, but it requires work.”

    I assume that you are referring to Thomas DiLorenzo, who has written extensively on the subject of Lincoln and the Civil War.

    Regardless of to whom it is that you are referring, the Civil War could have been avoided, and it was used to expand government.

    You and Robert Capozzi continually act like because some libertarians have talked about the Civil War, and have said that it could have been avoided, and that it was used to expand the federal government, and that there have been negative effects from this, that this is keeping lots of people from the Libertarian Party and movement, and I believe that this is ridiculous, because 1) most people have never heard any libertarian talk about the Civil War, 2) I have talked about the Libertarian Party and movement with more people than just about anyone, and I have never heard one person bring this up as a reason for not being a libertarian, and 3) I can site cases where the libertarian revisionist view of the Civil War was explained to a person, and they ended up agreeing with the libertarian revisionist view.

    Here is an example of #3. Ron Paul was interviewed by black comedian, DL Hughley, after his 2008 Republican primary presidential run. During the interview, the DL Hughley brought up Ron Paul’s libertarian revisionist view on the Civil War, as it had been brought up when he appeared on Bill Maher’s show, and DL Hughley said that after Ron Paul explained the reasoning behind his stance, he ended up agreeing with Ron Paul!

    Ron Paul 2012 – Great Interview on D L Hughley 3-7-09 I hope he runs 2012!!! And Wins!

    (The part where they talk about the Civil War comes up at 8 minutes and 13 seconds.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkVUiaj4C24

  84. Anthony Dlugos

    “Here is an example of #3. Ron Paul was interviewed by black comedian, DL Hughley…”

    ROFL

    Here I am watching movies starring Asian adult film icon Kobe Tai.

  85. Luke

    “Here I am watching movies starring Asian adult film icon Kobe Tai.”

    Cultural enrichment at its finest.

  86. Thomas L. Knapp

    —–
    Mises had nothing to do with the Mises Institute, which disgraces his name. ”

    Yes, he was dead by the time that the Institute came around, but I disagree that the Institute disgraces his name.
    —–

    Yes, he was dead nine years by the time LvMI was founded, but among the founding members were his widow, as well as prominent Austrian economists Henry Hazlitt and Friedrich von Hayek.

    I’ve not closely studied LvMI’s history, but my rough impression is that it was mainly a straight Austrian School economics think tank, with a libertarian political orientation, until Rothbard became infatuated with 1) Frankfurt-educated Cultural Marxist Hans-Hermann Hoppe and 2) the “paleo strategy.” It’s been going downhill ever since.

  87. Andy

    I had heard that Larry Sharpe attended the Mises Institute’s 35th Anniversary event that was recently held in New York City, but I wasn’t sure about this and wanted to double check this before I posted anything about it here. Well, I just went to Larry Sharpe’s Facebook page, and got confirmation that he was in fact there. He even had a diner table reserved that said Larry Sharpe for Governor on it. There’s also a picture of Larry with Ron Paul.

    I also found that Larry Sharpe posted this quote on his page:

    “Larry Sharpe for New York
    October 10 at 7:00am ·
    “Egalitarianism, in every form and shape, is incompatible with the idea of private property.” – Hans-Hermann Hoppe”

    Note that Hans-Hermann Hoppe spoke at this event (Tom Woods, Ron Paul, Andrew Napolitano, and Jeff Deist were also among the speakers).

    It seems like the more I hear from Larry Sharpe, the more I like him. I may end up sending him a campaign donation at some point.

  88. paulie

    I also found that Larry Sharpe posted this quote on his page:

    “Larry Sharpe for New York
    October 10 at 7:00am ·
    “Egalitarianism, in every form and shape, is incompatible with the idea of private property.” – Hans-Hermann Hoppe”

    Note that Hans-Hermann Hoppe spoke at this event (Tom Woods, Ron Paul, Andrew Napolitano, and Jeff Deist were also among the speakers).

    More demerits for Sharpe.

  89. Tony From Long Island

    Andy

    Regardless of to whom it is that you are referring, the Civil War could have been avoided, and it was used to expand government.

    I know, wouldn’t it be great if you could own someone?? . . . . It was avoided . . . for years until it could no longer be avoided.

  90. Anthony Dlugos

    “More demerits for Sharpe.”

    What is that from? His Facebook page? Is that from October 10 of this year?

  91. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    ‘October 31, 2017 at 11:55
    Andy

    Regardless of to whom it is that you are referring, the Civil War could have been avoided, and it was used to expand government.’
    I know, wouldn’t it be great if you could own someone?? . . . . It was avoided . . . for years until it could no longer be avoided.”

    Hey Tony, why don’t you try reading some books, or reading some articles that are posted online, before you post here?

    I have never heard of any libertarian, including those who take a revisionist view of the Civil War (which is quite common in libertarian circles), say that slavery is justified.

    There are other countries where chattel slavery ended without a war. The Civil War was not necessary to end slavery.

  92. Tony From Long Island

    Andy, you would seem to be the last person to say that anyone can be libertarian – left, right or center.

    99% of your posts and views seem to take a hard, hard right stance and an extreme libertarian position on every issue.

    So how can someone from the left be libertarian? By no longer being left.

    I’m quite content being libertarian on some issues and left on others.

  93. Anthony Dlugos

    “I have never heard of any libertarian, including those who take a revisionist view of the Civil War (which is quite common in libertarian circles), say that slavery is justified.”

    A) No alt-right white nationalist racist is going to make such a blatantly obvious argument. They obviously know they can’t re-institute slavery. The revisionist Civil War arguments is a way of signaling to other racists: you’re our kind of people. We support the CURRENT racists policies you support.

    B) Civil War revisionism is NOT common in libertarian circles. Its common in paleo circles.

  94. Tony From Long Island

    Andy

    Hey Tony, why don’t you try reading some books, or reading some articles that are posted online, before you post here?

    I find it sad that someone who slurps up alt-right nationalism and white supremacy, and is one of the most blatant xenophobes I have ever come across {including the white gangs in prison] thinks that I’M the one who needs to read some books.

    If you had read my ENTIRE post, you would see that I point out how the Civil War was avoided for decades until it became unavoidable.

    You validly point out that slavery ended in other jurisdictions without war. Once you read the declarations of secession from the states who joined the confederacy, you can easily see how that wasn’t going to happen here, unless you are OK with slavery lasting another few generations.

  95. George Phillies

    I would urge readers to examine Potter’s definitive work The Impending Crisis, on how we reached the Civil War, and why it happened when it did. The southerners kept insisting on meaningless symbolic victories that gave them no real advantage, until Northerners were convinced that there really was a slave power corrupting the union. Uncle Tom’s Cabin gave northerners an ironclad immovable impression of what slavery was like. John Brown terrified southerners, and closed their minds. Then Lincoln was elected. Southerners were afraid of a boogieman Lincoln who would send hordes of John Browns against them to murder them, rape their wives, and torture their children. Northerners were convinced that southerners wanted to spread slavery across the union. We eventually had a war between Lincoln, who wanted slavery confined to where it currently existed but protected there, and Davis, who incorrectly believed that Lincoln was coming to free his slaves. Lincoln in his Cooper Union speech actually wanted compromise, but no one in the south could hear him. We ended up with a war.

    Modern liberals and conservatives unable to hear each other are re-enacting the North vs South politics of the late 1850s.

  96. itdoesntmatterttomuch

    “Tom Woods is an important figure in the libertarian world though.”

    Yeah and the League of The South is all over the news now for sponsoring The “White Lives Matter” rally in TN. Fine folks those were. And no matter what, the League of the South leads the internet to “co-founder Tom Woods”, and while he’s ever so slightly distanced himself more recently, there were plenty of times way AFTER the League of the South’s anti-libertarian views were well-known that he refused to apologize for his “membership in a Southern cultural organization.” Make no mistake in this context “culturally Southern” means “white.”

    So the fact Woods is important in libertarianism is something that needs repudiation not validation.

  97. paulie

    Why does Andy keep mentioning that people are black or jewish or latino? I don’t get it.

    For the same reason that Ramsey and the American Guard have non-white members, because at least some people buy that if they are not 100% all-white they can’t be a racist organization. There’s a problem with that however….

  98. Andy

    “itdoesntmatterttomuch
    October 31, 2017 at 16:20
    “Tom Woods is an important figure in the libertarian world though.”

    ‘Yeah and the League of The South is all over the news now for sponsoring The “White Lives Matter” rally in TN. Fine folks those were. And no matter what, the League of the South leads the internet to “co-founder Tom Woods”, and while he’s ever so slightly distanced himself more recently, there were plenty of times way AFTER the League of the South’s anti-libertarian views were well-known that he refused to apologize for his “membership in a Southern cultural organization.” Make no mistake in this context “culturally Southern” means ‘white.’

    So the fact Woods is important in libertarianism is something that needs repudiation not validation.”

    I’d hide behind a fake screen name if I made such stupid comments online too.

    Why don’t you grow a set of balls and come out from hiding and we can arrange an in person debate?

    People like Tom Woods and myself don’t have to hide behind fake names like intellectual cowards like yourself.

  99. Thomas L. Knapp

    Woods’s problem is that he doth protest too much.

    There were a couple of “why doesn’t Woods sign the letter condemning fascism” taunts, but no great hue and cry.

    HE chose to throw a temper tantrum about why, of all people, should he need to denounce fascism.

    Well, Tom, because a group that you are still described as a co-founder of marched through Charlottesville waving torches, yelling “blood and soil — the Jews will not replace us,” and the next day violently rioting, resulting in at least one murder, right after you publicly supported Jeff Deist over his “blood and soil” speech (which IMO was not the boogeyman some people think, but still ended up being very poorly timed).

    Yeah, more than a decade ago you casually dismissed that group as something you “co-founded” by way of a lark along with some other academics out on a joyride and allowed as to how they were taking directions you didn’t consider representative of your views. That might have been plenty then, but the issue came around again. This time, you could have ignored the few taunts, or reiterated that previous disclaimer. But instead you decided to publicly pull your nuts out of your zipper, lay them on an anvil, take a hammer to them, and put on a passion play how persecuted you are.

  100. Andy

    Tom Woods started Liberty Classroom, which is a very valuable tool for teaching people about libertarianism (this is an especially good tool for people who want to run for political office).

    Tom Woods is also one of the people that worked with Ron Paul to create The Ron Paul Curriculum, which is a valuable resource for parents who want to home school their kids.

    These two accomplishments alone put Tom Woods ahead of the majority of libertarians out there in terms of accomplishments in the struggle for liberty.

  101. dL

    Why ever would YOU bring up Benjamin Tucker?

    Well, Thane, b/c he is a primary intellectual influence for the caucus that you brought up as the supposed example of “communist” LP infiltration.
    https://www.facebook.com/LibSocCaucus/photos/a.111191869577264.1073741828.110600792969705/117411552288629/?type=3&theater

    Dang dL, why hide behind high-falutin’ vocabulary words when you could simply state that I am engaging in deceptive behavior? Perhaps you use a different dictionary than the one I use?

    Fine. I have no problem being blunt. I think you are full of shit.

    You may be overestimating the amount of abstract political knowledge I have acquired from many an hour reading and commenting on the blogosphere.

    Well, I just don’t buy your feigned ignorance.

    It is possible that Libertarian Socialism is a concept worthy of fine appreciation and not an idea to be stomped to death like a radioactive blood sucking cockroach.

    well, your true colors sort of bleed through with that statement, brah.

  102. dL

    Why does Andy keep mentioning that people are black or jewish or latino? I don’t get it.

    Is that a rhetorical question?

  103. itdoesntmattertoomuch

    Andy,
    I am not “hiding” behind a screen name and I have no interest in having a public debate. Like most people I have no desire to be a public person. Most people who vote or even those actively involved in political ideas and debates don’t need or want to have a podcast or do public performances and the like. We have families, hobbies, jobs, porn collections, whatever. If you believe that everyone who votes or has informed opinions needs to be a public performer, that’s a sign of failed political outreach strategy.

    My balls are just fine. I’ve conceived a couple of kids and several more that did not live. My kids are bright and caring. As far as stupidity goes, I’m not some mad super genius, but my IQ is comfortably in the 97th- 98th percentile. I would assume the same for my kids but I’m much more interested in them being decent human beings. The family I grew up in is multi-racial and I dealt with way too much racist abuse as a child to associate with people who long for the days of the Confederacy. If Larry Sharpe wants to, that’s a personal decision for him and not my business, but I do think it’s bad for a Libertarian Party that already has associations and questions in the minds of the 100s of millions of Americans who don’t belong to it or know anything about it.

  104. itdoesntmatterttomuch

    Tom Woods and Ron Paul did some good things. Great. I think Kevin Spacey is a great actor. I wouldn’t hire him to give my son private lessons.

  105. itdoesntmatterttomuch

    My name inconsistency is due to having it saved on my home office computer but not my laptop. So I entered it differently (with the correct intended spelling) and now have a comment in moderation.

  106. paulie

    It’s an automated filter. If the screen name and email are not an exact match it gets held up, but if the comment looks OK we approve it manually. It did, so I did. That feature does stop a lot of spam, but sometimes ensnares legit participants or discourages new people. It’s a balance.

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