November 2017 Open Thread

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Our monthly open thread. Post news tips about alt parties and independent candidates, discuss any story that should be posted here but has not yet been posted, or even delve into completely off-topic stuff…just avoid quarantined thread subject matter and things that could get us and/or you into legal trouble such as threats, libel, and copyright infringement.

News tips can also be sent to the IPR writers who have chosen to make their contact info available at http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/about/.

It’s an IPR Open Thread tradition to include a video or two or three, but this month I’m doing ten just to see if anyone will notice.

146 thoughts on “November 2017 Open Thread

  1. NewFederalist

    You know this site has really lost it’s appeal. Everything is SO predictable. Best of luck to everyone but I’m moving on. Good bye.

  2. dL

    Off topic. But after I finished Star Trek , TOS, I started watching the Star Trek, TNG.

    Observattions:
    The remastered TV franchise(TOS and TNG) is far superior to the movie franchise.

    Both “The Matrix” and “Inception” were undoubtedly ripped from TNG episodes…fascinating.

    Unfortunate that DS9 is not in HD. From what I’ve read, it is probably the best story-telling of all the TV franchises. I just can’t watch SD programming.

  3. paulie Post author

    Off topic.

    No such thing in open thread. We can talk about non-political subjects here all day. Open thread only, aside from brief asides, if possible.

  4. paulie Post author

    But after I finished Star Trek , TOS, I started watching the Star Trek, TNG.

    I’m switching back and forth between MSNBC and HBO at the motel I am staying at since Friday. Channel switching appears to be only up and down, no recall last channel as far as I can see. Luckily they are right next to each other on Channels 12 and 13. At the last motel, where I had been staying since June, I was also watching CNBC – especially Shark Tank and American Greed, sometimes Undercover Boss – but the new motel has fewer channels, with CNBC being one of those missing from the lineup. I just finished the new to me episode of Vice Principals on HBO, which I slept through when it originally aired on Sunday. Now, I’ve shut the TV off and will watch an episode or two of DareDorm on the computer as I gobble sleeping pills. Will I take enough to not have to wake up tomorrow? Stay tuned….

  5. Andy

    “paulie Post author
    November 1, 2017 at 11:11
    http://knappster.blogspot.ca/2017/10/some-questions-for-every-mass-shooting.html
    Some Questions for the “Every Mass Shooting is a False Flag” Crowd
    …you know who you are.”

    I have already answered this question right here on IPR, and if people would pay attention (you know who you are), you would already know this.

    First of all, I have never claimed that there are no real victims in every false flag attack. There probably are sometimes, but there is a lot of evidence that indicates that at least some of these things have been faked (as in that there were fake victims). If you read the declassified government document, Operation Northwoods, where military officials were looking for an excuse to draw the USA into a war with Cuba, they talked about staging terror attacks. Some of the suggestions included bombings, hijacking a plane, and staging shooting incidents, and they even suggested using fake victims, and having funerals for the fake victims. The Northwoods documents is from the early 1960’s, and a few years after this, the military staged the Gulf of Tonkin attack, which was fake, and, working with Israel, they staged the attack on the USS Liberty, which was a real attack (unmarked Israeli fighter planes attacked the USS Liberty, a communications ship, which had a huge American flag on top of it, and they sent out helicopters with machine guns that strafed the life rafts in an attempt to kill all of the survivors, and it has come out that President Lyndon Johnson was in on it). The Gulf of Tonkin and the USS Liberty are both recognized by mainstream historians as having been false flags.

    So if the government would fake the Gulf of Tonkin attack, and yet they’d also coordinate a real attack on the USS Liberty, it is not unreasonable to say that there are people in government today who’d do the same things today.

    Why would they fake an attack like a shooting? Less things can go wrong. Somebody could pull a gun and take out their shooter, or if their shooter runs into the wrong person, they could take them out with another weapon, like a knife, or their bare hands. The proliferation of cell phone cameras and cameras with video means that some random person could take a picture, or get video footage, of something that the government does not want people to see (I’ve heard reports about the government confiscating and wiping the data from phones of people in the vicinity of the Las Vegas shooting). Also, if they do a real shooting, they have to find and deal with somebody who is twisted enough psychologically to carry out such an act, and then they have to rely on this person as well. If they want to be sure they can control the outcome and narrative of an incident, faking it is a good way to go.

    It is also already a known fact that the government hires crisis actors. It is already a known fact that they use crisis actors in terrorist drills. Sometimes they even have crisis actors who fake like they are wounded or dead (once again, I’m not saying that every time there is a false flag, that it was fake and crisis actors were used, but evidence indicates that this has been done with at least some of these incidents).

    It has also come out that there have been multiple people who were family members of alleged victims, and/or alleged witnesses, who have documented backgrounds as actors. Now if there was a shooting incident in an acting hotbed, like say Los Angeles or New York City, several family members or witnesses being actors might be plausible, but multiple people with acting backgrounds popping up at shootings in places like Sandy Hook and that Virginia TV News shooting and some of these other places is a lot less plausible, to the point of being ridiculous, in my opinion.

    How do they keep people quite? Well, how does government keep people quite all of the other secret things and lying that they do? They pay people off, they threaten people, they deal with other people who they have already screened as being sociopaths or psychopaths (they even have psychological profilers), they have dirt on people, etc… Some people they use have legal issues they are dealing with that could land them in prison, and the government will offer them a plea deal where if they come to work for them, they won’t prosecute them.

    I have been involved with politics (which includes working in politics) long enough to know that there are people out there who will do just about anything for money. I also spent several years in the Los Angeles area, and I encountered a bunch of people who were wannabe actors and actresses, and a lot of these people were the type that would do just about anything for money, plus, a lot of them were leftist Democrat types who were already opposed to gun rights. I’d be willing to bet that if some government agents approached a lot of the political mercenaries whom I have encountered working on various political campaigns over the years, and a lot of the wannabe actors and actresses that I met in Los Angeles, and offered them money to participate in a false flag event, that a lot of them would do it. It would be great if everyone in this world was honest, and had great principles, but reality is that a lot of people are not either. The government could do psychological screening on these people and eliminate those who’d be most likely to not want to participate in a false flag, so they’d never even offer it to these people. The government could also run background checks on these people and see who has been arrested for drugs, or prostitution, or DUI’s, or who has a tax problem, or whatever else they could dig up. Then they offer these people a lot of money, and have them sign non-disclosure agreements (which would have severe penalties if they violate it), and then they’ve got their crisis actors for your false flag.

    Once again, just to be clear, I’m not saying that every false flag is fake and uses crisis actors. I don’t doubt that real people die in these events sometimes (like on 9/11, or in the OKC bombing)., I’m just saying that there is a lot of evidence that they do sometimes find it to be more convenient for their purposes to fake these things sometimes.

  6. paulie Post author

    It’s an IPR Open Thread tradition to include a video or two or three, but this month I’m doing ten just to see if anyone will notice.

    I guess not, LOL.

    “Woke up this morning, fucking waste of pills…”

  7. Tony From Long Island

    dL:

    I recently started watching ST: Voyager from start to finish. It’s on one of those channels that shows old stuff. It’s not in HD either, but I always loved Voyager and it’s been so long that I don’t remember most of the episodes.

    Janeway is my favorite Captain . . . . Other than JTK of course!~

    I never really got into DS9 because of the religious nature of many storylines.

  8. Tony From Long Island

    It goes without saying that Andy proved his sickness again with his predictable nonsense.

  9. paulie Post author

    That’s hardly evidence that every – or most – mass shooting events are false flags. Perhaps you would like to attempt a less verbose answer to Knapp’s query than Andy’s opus above?

  10. DJ

    paulie Post author
    November 2, 2017 at 19:13

    That’s hardly evidence that every – or most – mass shooting events are false flags. Perhaps you would like to attempt a less verbose answer to Knapp’s query than Andy’s opus above?
    …………..

    I don’t recall saying anything of the sort. Andy already stated his opinion(s) on false flag shootings which included his disclaimer about “most’ or “every” and a bit of the evidence he produced is about the Northwood Operation, which apparently TFLI believes is sick yet produces no evidence to support his inaccuracy. Andy’s theories seem to stem from Northwood. TFLI’s inaccuracies seem to stem from a dislike of Andy’s theories. Dislike is very subjective and disallows an open mind to other’s opinions regardless of facts, so, I provided some links about Northwood.

  11. Tony From Long Island

    DJ provides the same predictable troofer nonsense.

    Of course, none of it shows that New Town was a false flag, or Vegas, or Orlando, or . . . or . . . . . or . . . . or . . .

  12. Tony From Long Island

    Oh yeah . . Operation Northwoods never actually happened. It was a PROPOSAL which was rejected by JFK and was from 55 years ago.

    Is that all you’ve got? #sad #troofer

  13. paulie Post author

    Andy has specifically said that most if not all shooting events are in fact staged ie false flag. It was on IPR. I don’t remember which thread. I will post the exact link if I find it. Knapp did not mention Andy in his post, but I thought Andy would be the right person to ask. It was not about Northwoods.

  14. V for Vagina

    Paulie:

    “It’s an IPR Open Thread tradition to include a video or two or three, but this month I’m doing ten just to see if anyone will notice.
    I guess not, LOL.”

    Maybe it was your lame video selection. Everyone is too embarrassed to tell you, and would prefer to just not think about it. Personally I can’t help but think this one is the cat’s meow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2RykBWW7k0

  15. Luke

    “Woke up this morning, fucking waste of pills…”

    Double the dosage every night until desired effects are achieved.

  16. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie> It’s an IPR Open Thread tradition to include a video or two or three, but this month I’m doing ten just to see if anyone will notice.

    I notice. On occasion I’ll even comment.. occasionally.

  17. Thane Eichenauer

    As far as third party politics goes I found a portion of a contest that would interest Libertarians. The tiebreaker portion asks: We’re asking you to predict what percentage of the vote (excluding write-in votes) each of the three Virginia gubernatorial candidates—Democrat Ralph Northam, Republican Ed Gillespie, and Libertarian Cliff Hyra—will receive. You may enter as many significant figures as you’d like.

    There are other portions for which accurate guessing might win you a chocolate babka. The election in Virginia and a few other states and sundry regions is Tuesday, November 7th, 2017.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/3/1712276/-Enter-the-Daily-Kos-Elections-2017-prediction-contest

    My guess is Libertarian Cliff Hyra, 4.0%, Democrat Ralph Northam, 50.1%, Republican Ed Gillespie, 45.9%.

  18. paulie Post author

    No, your opinions are formed by the propaganda of the Putin-Trump gangsters and their altreich fanboys. As for Drumpf, we will be very lucky if he doesn’t end up making Hitler look like a piker and the corporatist media is far too conciliatory towards that scumbag and his crime family. The indictments are just starting to roll in, so that’s the silver lining.

  19. Andy

    Trump is no worse than Obama, or George W. Bush, or Bill Clinton, or George HW Bush, etc…

    Reality is that there has been a long string of really bad presidents.

    We’d be no better off if “Wicked Witch” Hillary Clinton was in office.

    If Trump ends up getting the country into another war, it will be because the people behind the scenes (the banksters, the Deep State, etc…) wanted war to happen.

  20. paulie Post author

    Trump is no worse than Obama, or George W. Bush, or Bill Clinton, or George HW Bush, etc…

    He’s dramatically worse.

    Reality is that there has been a long string of really bad presidents.

    There’s bad and there’s worse. Drumpf is much, much, much…..much, much worse.

    We’d be no better off if “Wicked Witch” Hillary Clinton was in office.

    False.

    If Trump ends up getting the country into another war, it will be because the people behind the scenes (the banksters, the Deep State, etc…) wanted war to happen.

    Maybe but maybe not. Could just be a hiccup of his own lizard brain.

  21. paulie Post author

    When are the indictments against the Clintons, Obama, and the Bush family going to happen?

    Dunno, but the Drumpf indictments are just starting, and the rats are turning on each other. It’s the one silver lining on the national political scene.

  22. dL

    My opinions are not formed by the corporatist media. They have brainwashed you into believing the President is Hitler.

    I don’t watch cable/satellite news and read little of the major online corporate press. Glancing at your love letter to Trump, I’m guessing you do consume quite a bit of News Corp.

  23. Andy

    “paulie Post author
    November 4, 2017 at 20:34
    ‘Trump is no worse than Obama, or George W. Bush, or Bill Clinton, or George HW Bush, etc…’
    He’s dramatically worse.”

    You saying this does not make it true. By this point in time, the George W. Bush administration did way more damage than Trump has done thus far.

  24. paulie Post author

    You saying this does not make it true.

    You are correct, me saying it does not make it true. Being actually true makes it true.

    Good article, William

    I agree, it was excellent satire of Pravda-style propaganda. If Trump achieves the sort of control he dreams about – as exercised by world leaders such as Erdogan and Putin whom he admires – that’s what mainstream media news reports would actually look like.

  25. DJ

    Trump is just an example of an evolution which we’ve been warned of over the years.
    Obama was only slightly less so, but more so than Bush, etc.,etc., and Hillary would only use different rhetoric to sell the same bullshit. Unconstitutional is unconstitutional and intentional misinterpretation is intentional misinterpretation regardless of party association.
    They all are heading to the same destination with only slightly different, and fluctuating, rates of descent.
    There is no discernable differences in foreign policy or monetary policy or domestic policy and anyone with a modicum of unbiased political knowledge can see it.

  26. DJ

    Tony From Long Island
    November 3, 2017 at 14:31

    Oh yeah . . Operation Northwoods never actually happened. It was a PROPOSAL which was rejected by JFK and was from 55 years ago.

    Is that all you’ve got? #sad #troofer
    …………..

    Can you point out where I, or Andy said it “actually happened”?

    Here’s another “PROPOSAL” from neocons. You know, those dastardly Republicans you loathe.

    http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

    There’s also good evidence of a cover up of Kennedy’s assassination, “a” reason being he refused the “PROPOSALS”…….notice the plural.

    My words were “stemmed from”. Stop putting words in my mouth to fit your narrative.

  27. Andy

    “Tony From Long Island
    November 3, 2017 at 14:31

    Oh yeah . . Operation Northwoods never actually happened. It was a PROPOSAL which was rejected by JFK and was from 55 years ago.

    Is that all you’ve got? #sad #troofer”

    Tony uses the slur “toofer” which is similar to using “conspiracy theorist” as a slur, and it has since come to light via declassified documents that using “conspiracy theorist” as a slur was originated by the Central Intelligence Agency, which they put forth into their Mockingbird media (do a search for Operation Mockingbird, which was CIA infiltration of the media, and also note that it has come out in the declassified JFK assassination documents that as far back as 1963, the CIA had already infiltrated the media), so one has to wonder whether Tony is just some useful idiot that has been brainwashed by too much TV watching and a lack of ability for critical thinking, or, if something more sinister is going on here, given that Tony claims to have been a Libertarian Party member in the past (whether this is true or not I don’t know, but I do know that nobody in the LP has surfaced who knows him), but is now a Democrat, yet for some reason he seems to spend a lot of his time on this site, which is a news site for minor parties and independent candidates, and Tony spends most of his time here attacking me.

    Regardless of whatever Tony’s motivations are, his comment about Operation Northwoods is pretty stupid (which is typical for Tony). Operation Northwoods was put forth as a way to get the public behind the US government going to war with Cuba by staging terrorist attacks and blaming them on Cuba. These proposals did not end up getting implemented to spark a war with Cuba (some people have said that this was likely a motivating factor in the assassination of JFK), but the fact that people in government would even come up with a plan like this, sheds light on just how nefarious some of these people in government really are, and it was not that long after this that two widely acknowledged (by even mainstream historians) false flags did happen, in the Gulf Of Tonkin “attack” (which was faked), and the sinking of the USS Liberty (which was a real attack where real people died).

    Operation Northwoods was not just a plan that was put forth but never implemented, it was an example of the kind of dirty tactics that people in government will stoop too in order to increase their own power and start wars. The term false flag did not originate with modern day “conspiracy theorists” like Alex Jones. It has been around for a long time, going back to the days when old wooden sailing ships would put up flags that were not the same as the ones that they sailed under, and attack other ships, so that people thought that the attack came from somebody other than who actually committed the attack.

  28. DJ

    Andy you’re wasting your time. Been there, done that other places. Narrow minded people choose to remain that way and they love attacking messengers disregarding messages. He reminds me of the Republicans I used to argue with.

  29. Krzysztof Lesiak

    Attention Paulie /IPR staff,

    1) I hope one of you puts a link to the new ATPR website on the right sidebar underneath “News Sources,” right about B.A.N. Even though I haven’t been involved with ATPR since the coup I orchestrated on September 19th, 2016, I still played a major role in this site’s function at one point ( I published well over 1,000 articles on there) and I’m glad it’s being continued still, albeit at a new domain address. Would you be able to link it up?

    https://americantpr.wordpress.com/

    ATPR is useful for AT LEAST one reason: IPR contributors can use it to publish their own opinion pieces that later fellow IPR contributors can republish on IPR. I really do want to see ATPR continue into the future, and hopefully you guys will link it.

    SECOND THING:

    Can IPR grant me press coverage rights for the 2018 LP and CP of Illinois state conventions? CP does not have a date set but the LP Illinois is convening March 2nd – 3rd , 2018 in Bloomington, IL. According to the LP Chicago chair, I am NOT banned from the LP statewide events. I want to know if I have the authorization of the IPR community to cover these events for IPR – what I would do is publish the reports on my personal site, TwierdzaChicago.wordpress.com, and then someone from IPR could republish them.

    PS: I have some stuff on Twierdza Chicago promoting “European American socially conservative cultural nationalism” – I’m sure there’s no need in explaining this. I realize just about every single person on IPR finds this highly objectionable. HOWEVER, today I came back from my Jehovah Witness convention in Romeoville, IL – I was up in the 280-something strong Polish meeting area, but the English language area downstairs – over 2,000 strong, was predominately black, or African American, whatever the correct terminology is. I have nothing against other races, like I said my only girlfriend was a Guatemelan chick (7th grade) and that’s why I eventually want to distance myself as much as possible from the racialist movement and eventually completely disfellowship myself from it. I like the Constitution Party a lot more. Quite frankly, I consider the Constitution Party my political home, and I would join it in a heartbeat is I wasn’t so preoccupied with my JW stuff. So yeah.

    I am awaiting eagerly your answers to these questions. Peace out.

  30. paulie Post author

    Chris,

    Not really a problem to link ATPR but on the other hand we have no real issue publishing our editorials here either… we just ask one another to publish them and it’s never been an issue from what I have seen. So far ATPR does not seem to have added a whole lot, but maybe it will yet.

    Regarding press credentials you need to ask Warren Redlich. He may be hesitant since he received a complaint about you from the Chicago LP, but talk to him; I do not speak for him.

    As for your ideology of the moment…no need to explain, and good luck with that.

  31. George Phillies

    Readers may recall Ron Paul, the 1988 Libertarian Presidential candidate. His son Rand Paul is a US Senator. In the last few days, Rand Paul was assaulted by a neighbor. It now seems that Senator Paul has five broken ribs, three with displacement, meaning that even airline travel will be painful, and the date of his return to Washington is now uncertain.

  32. Luke

    I have heard there has been another ISIS-inspired, Antifa-connected deep state false flag attack on a Christian Church in the heart of Texas. It’s clear that these left wing, US government employed radical Islamic communists hate America for its freedom to put up Confederate statues and vote for Trump.

  33. Luke

    They also hate us for our right to carry guns and worship Jesus and to have one man, one woman non-interracial marriages. We need to fight them over there before we have to fight them over here. I’ll have some supersized freedom fries with that!

  34. Jill Pyeatt

    I have heard there has been another ISIS-inspired, Antifa-connected deep state false flag attack on a Christian Church in the heart of Texas.

    Watch it, Luke! There are people here who will call you a “troofer”.

  35. Krzysztof Lesiak

    Speaking of Antifa, the only person that actually had a meaningful discussion with Alex Jones sidekick Owen “The P*ssy Destroyer” Shroyer was a member of Antifa. I’m actually surprised by this:

    Go to 16:01 in this highly entertaining video to hear Shroyer talking to a guy from Antifa:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Msz5jI_Xc

  36. Andy

    Krzysztof, this is the internet. You can easily start your own news site or YouTube channel, and then you are a journalist/reporter. You do not need the approval of IPR or anyone else to seek a press pass.

  37. Krzysztof Lesiak

    Andy,

    You are correct, however, my site http://www.TwierdzaChicago.wordpress.com, has only received 224 visitors since the site was founded on August 31st, 2017, and many of those have been from Poland. (The site is going to be mainly Polish language with an English language section – ideally I’d like to make a living through this website and buy up the 11AM – 1PM time block on Chicago’s Ethnic Talk Station, WNWI 1080 AM for a Polish language political/social talk show. As far as I know, a Catholic radio show, Radio Chrystusa Krola, pays $5,000 a month for the 4-5 pm Monday through Friday slot, so I’d imagine I’d be paying something like $10,000 a month. I need to become a professional anarcho-capitalist like 2018 LNC chairman candidate Max Dickstein in the next year or so to be able to afford a time like that.

    THE THING IS: WOULD THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF ILLINOIS GRANT MY SITE A PRESS PASS? They gave me a press pass in 2013 when I reported on the state convention in Bolingbrook. I got to personally meet keynote speaker Thomas E. Woods Jr. ( a GREAT libertarian) and he personally signed my copies of The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History and 33 Questions About American History You’re Not Supposed To Ask that I later sold at a circa June 2014 for $5 each at a DuPage County Libertarian Party meetup at a restaurant/bar – I made $41 that one day, gave $20 to the guy with an anarcho-capitalist flag painted on his junk car hood for gas and smoking me up, and then used $1 to buy Dunkin Donuts and $20 to buy some high quality cannabis, and I smoked up a Lithuanian girl and her Polak boyfriend in a forest by my old high school the next day. The rest is history.

  38. Andy

    “Krzysztof Lesiak
    November 5, 2017 at 22:49
    Andy,

    You are correct, however, my site http://www.TwierdzaChicago.wordpress.com, has only received 224 visitors since the site was founded on August 31st, 2017, and many of those have been from Poland.”

    You are trying to serve a very small niche market with that site, so I am not surprised that you don’t have a lot of hits.

    Also, how much have you done to promote the site? If you do little or nothing to promote it, do not be surprised if you don’t get a lot of visitors.

    “THE THING IS: WOULD THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF ILLINOIS GRANT MY SITE A PRESS PASS? ”

    My experience with Libertarian Party events is that pretty much anyone can just walk in and nobody is likely to say anything about it. They won’t let you vote as a delegate if you are not a dues paying party member, but if you just showed up and said that you were a news reporter I doubt anyone would try to throw you out (unless you have caused problems for them in the past, but even then, I’ve seen people who have caused a lot of problems in the LP show up at events and nobody threw them out, including some people who probably deserved it).

  39. dL

    Readers may recall Ron Paul, the 1988 Libertarian Presidential candidate. His son Rand Paul is a US Senator.

    Rocks don’t have wifi…

  40. Tony From Long Island

    Another false flag incident in Texas eh, Andy? Does it have “all the markers?” I guess those worshippers were crisis actors. Maybe the daughter of the pastor was an actor too . . . .

    #sickness

  41. Tony From Long Island

    Jill (replying to someone clearly being sarcastic)

    I have heard there has been another ISIS-inspired, Antifa-connected deep state false flag attack on a Christian Church in the heart of Texas.

    Watch it, Luke! There are people here who will call you a “troofer”.

    He’s not a Troofer, but we know those who are

    https://www.snopes.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

  42. Tony From Long Island

    Andy

    Tony uses the slur “toofer” which is similar to using “conspiracy theorist” as a slur, and it has since come to light via declassified documents that using “conspiracy theorist” as a slur was originated by the Central Intelligence Agency

    The level of your sickness never ceases to amaze.

    Tony claims to have been a Libertarian Party member in the past (whether this is true or not I don’t know, but I do know that nobody in the LP has surfaced who knows him), but is now a Democrat, yet for some reason he seems to spend a lot of his time on this site, which is a news site for minor parties and independent candidates, and Tony spends most of his time here attacking me.

    1) there is a former New York LP candidate for lieutenant governor who can vouch for me. Not my job to tell you who. Also, I don’t have to prove myself to you. A while back, I offered to show you a picture of me with old LP news issues that included my name and address. You declined.
    2) . . . most of my time? No you only concentrate on the ones that mention you.
    3) Andy, you make it so easy . . . and fun.

    Operation Northwoods was put forth as a way to get the public behind the US government going to war with Cuba by staging terrorist attacks and blaming them on Cuba.

    Trying to use something that never actually happened as proof of your troffer nonsense is the epitome of grasping for straws.

  43. Tony From Long Island

    I have a question for Warren: Did LPNY start cross-endorsing candidates? I remember from my LP days that the party did not engage in that practice.

    Newsday’s election day pull-out had a candidate for Suffolk County Sheriff named Peter Krauss. He is listed as a republican but the first line of his bio says “Krauss, 46, of West Islip, is running on the Libertarian Party line . . . . ”

    I also have an ad from a county legislature candidate named Chris Madden who is running as a republican. His ad claims he is “endorsed by . . . [the] Libertarian Party . . . ”

    New York’s laws allowing candidates to run on multiple party lines is terrible. I hope that LPNY is not participating in it.

  44. Tony From Long Island

    Andy’s been pretty quiet about the latest “false flag” event . . . . Maybe he’s looking for more incidents from decades ago to use as “evidence.”

  45. Luke

    I noticed a racial element in Grundmann’s rantings that I never noticed before. Does anyone know whether this is new, or have I just forgotten?

    http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-socialists-and-antifa/#comment-1692936

    Grundmann writes “targeting white churches.

    27 dead.

    So paulie – Am I now going to continue to hear your god damned crap about how the ” right-wing Nazi patriarchal white priviledge racists and on and on and on ” are killing people and your Antifa/progressive/liberal friends are oh-so-innocent Bambi’s?

    So now we have the start of the liberal/progressive/Antifa plan for fomenting civil war – attack the white populace by murdering people in their churches. Killing 2 enemies at one time – whites and Christians.”

    Emphasis added. I knew Grundmann is a loon and a religious bigot, of course, but this is the first time I have noticed him being a racist as well. Is it just me?

  46. paulie Post author

    I don’t remember Grundmann ever being a racist before. Of course, even if the fake news about the Texas shooter being antifa had been true, it wouldn’t have made sense that it would be some kind of anti-white attack, given that the shooter was also white.

    Imitating Faux News Talking Head looking all droopy-faced: It’s a sad fact that white on white crime is a prevalent problem in the white community. Studies show that most whites who are killed, or are the victims of other kinds of crime, are victimized by other whites. Furthermore, most white criminals choose other whites as the target of their crimes. [/faux]

  47. DJ

    Ted Poe, representative 2nd congressional district, Texas will not seek re-election.

    Name: Ted Poe

    Congress: Texas, District: 2, Republican

    Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 70%

    Status: Active Member of the House

    Score Breakdown:
    77% (115th Congress: 2017-2018); 67% (114th Congress: 2015-2016); 75% (113th Congress: 2013-2014); 79% (112th Congress: 2011-2012); 82% (111th Congress: 2009-2010); 71% (110th Congress: 2007-2008); 45% (109th Congress: 2005-2006)

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38&Itemid=828&nameid=P000592

  48. paulie Post author

    New York City Mayor
    CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
    Bill de Blasio*
    Democrat
    714,094 66.3%
    Nicole Malliotakis
    Republican
    300,363 27.9
    Sal Albanese
    Reform
    22,632 2.1
    Akeem Browder
    Green
    15,567 1.4
    Michael Tolkin
    Independent
    10,632 1.0
    Bo Dietl
    Independent
    10,484 1.0
    Aaron Commey
    Libertarian
    2,598 0.2
    99% reporting (5,815 of 5,901 precincts)

  49. paulie Post author

    NY Ballot Measures

    Question 1 – Constitutional Convention

    Holds a convention to explore proposals for revisions or amendments to the State Constitution.
    ANSWER VOTES PCT.
    Yes
    492,173 17.0%
    No
    2,406,533 83.0
    88% reporting (13,719 of 15,526 precincts)

  50. paulie Post author

    VA VOTES PCT.
    Ralph Northam
    Democrat
    1,401,206 53.9%
    Ed Gillespie
    Republican
    1,169,174 45.0
    Clifford Hyra
    Libertarian
    30,178 1.2

  51. paulie Post author

    NJ Governor
    CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
    Philip Murphy
    Democrat
    1,103,346 55.9%
    Kim Guadagno
    Republican
    834,487 42.3
    Gina Genovese
    Independent
    10,120 0.5
    Peter Rohrman
    Libertarian
    8,568 0.4
    Seth Kaper-Dale
    Green
    8,416 0.4
    Matthew Riccardi
    Constitution
    5,820 0.3
    Vincent Ross
    Independent
    4,338 0.2
    98% reporting (6,234 of 6,385 precincts)

  52. paulie Post author

    UT 3

    John Curtis
    Republican
    62,007 57.8%
    Kathie Allen
    Democrat
    28,844 26.9
    Jim Bennett
    UUT
    9,506 8.9
    Sean Whalen
    Independent
    2,928 2.7
    Joe Buchman
    Libertarian
    2,341 2.2
    Jason Christensen
    Independent American
    1,603 1.5

  53. wolfefan

    Thanks for the election returns, paulie! BTW it’s not just you – this is the first time I’ve seen Grundmann appearing to be racist.

  54. Tony From Long Island

    Suffolk County district attorney — 100% REPORTING

    Timothy Sini – Dem — 62% 182,005 Votes

    Raymond G. Perini – Rep — 36% 106,773 Votes

    Christopher Garvey – Lib — 1% 4,295 Votes

  55. Tony From Long Island

    Suffolk County sheriff — 100% REPORTING

    Errol D. Toulon Jr. – Dem — 49% — 141,006 Votes

    Lawrence M. Zacarese — Rep — 49% 139,652 Votes

    Peter J. Krauss – Lib — 2% 4,613 Votes (more than the margin of victory)

  56. Luke

    Tony from Long Island,

    The “freedom index” isn’t free.

    And LOL again @ Grundmann. I can understand why he would be too embarrassed to make followup comments after that one.

  57. paulie Post author

    From Darryl W. Perry:

    New Hamshire held municipal elections in the most of the 13 Cities across
    the state; town elections are in the Spring. While municipal elections are
    officially non-partisan, 2 Libertarians ran for City offices.

    Former state rep Joseph LaChance who joined the LP in January pulled in
    38.49% for Manchester School Board, and Robert Call received 19.28% for
    Mayor in Keene.

    We also had several special elections for the NH General Court earlier in
    the year. Brian Shields, Communications Director for the Libertarian House
    Caucus, brought in 7.58% in a three-way race in the Strafford 13 election
    on October 24. James Jarvis earned 2.27% of the vote in the Rockingham 4
    election on September 26. Former LP Gubernatorial nominee John J. Babiarz
    pulled in 2.33% in the Grafton 9 special election in September, and Jason
    Dubrow received 1.26% of the vote in the July 25 special election for
    Senate district 16.

    LPNH Convention Committee is working hard on the 2018 Convention to be held
    over the weekend on April 28-19, more details will be announced soon.

  58. paulie Post author

    https://www.lp.org/congratulations/

    Please join me in congratulating this list of newly elected Libertarians:

    — Jim Turney – Altamonte Springs City Commission – Florida

    — Greg Perry – Rome Township Auditor – Pennsylvania

    — Jennifer Moore – Auditor of Upper Providence in Montgomery County – Pennsylvania

    — James Fryman – Victory Township Supervisor in Venango County – Pennsylvania

    — Demo Agoris – Houston Borough Council in Washington County – Pennsylvania

    — Jerry Geleff – Exeter Township School Director in Berks County – Pennsylvania

    — Jason Aucker – Spring Township Auditor in Snyder County – Pennsylvania

    — Zachary Elliott (on the left in photo below) – Coconut Grove Village Council – Florida

    — Kevin Cline – Long Beach City Council – Washington

    — Christopher Nance – Carthage Town Commission – North Carolina

    — Eleanor Russell – Houston Borough Judge of Elections – Pennsylvania

    — Jake Towne – Lower Nazareth Auditor and Judge of Elections – Pennsylvania

    We are still waiting on the results from Apollo Pazell’s too-close-to-call city council race in Utah.

    Heartfelt thanks to each of our candidates this year. Every candidate that ran deserves our appreciation for their courage to stand up for our principles.

    I’d like to specially thank Cliff Hyra who ran a very active campaign for Governor in Virginia, Michelle Darnell who ran a very active campaign for Washington State Senate, and Joe Buchman who ran a very active campaign for US Senate in Utah (sic. Actually UT-3 -p).

    Also, kudos to three Washington LP candidates who received over 40% of the vote in their respective races: Paul Addis, Kent City Council Position 2 (45%); Ed Pace, Spokane Valley City Council Position 4 (41%); and James Blair, Yelm City Council Position 7 (45%).

  59. paulie Post author

    https://www.lp.org/election-updates-for-november-2017/

    Libertarian Party candidates are on the ballot on Nov. 7 in Connecticut, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, and Washington.

    Visit this page throughout the evening for updates about election returns as information becomes available.

    If you notice something missing, send election results to campaigns@lp.org and include a link to the source.

    (6:30 p.m. ET) Jim Turney wins a seat on the Altamonte Springs City Commission (nonpartisan race). He was unopposed (see story).

    (8:40 p.m. ET) With 80% of the precincts reporting in the race for Governor in Virginia, Cliff Hyra has 1.1%.

    (10:00 p.m. ET) Greg Perry elected Rome Township Auditor in Pennsylvania.

    (10:15 p.m. ET) Cliff Hyra has over 29,000 votes (1.1%) with 99.6% of the precincts reporting in the Governor’s race in Virginia. In the House of Delegates races, Will Hammer has 745 votes for 2.8% (20th district), Jake Crocker has 1,926 votes for 6.8% (69th district), Terry Richard Hurst has 2,841 votes for 14.6% (89th district), and Michael Bartley has 675 votes for 2.8% (94th district).

    (10:45 p.m. ET) Bill Russell receives 6.5% of the vote and finishes third out of five candidates for Mayor of Norwich, CT.

    (10:55 p.m. ET) Charlie Gers has 1,188 votes and finishes fifth out of 17 candidates in the race for Mayor of Minneapolis, MN (99% of precincts reporting). Chris Holbrook finishes sixth out of 11 candidates with 654 votes for Mayor of St. Paul.

    (11:00 p.m. ET) Jennifer Moore elected Auditor of Upper Providence in Montgomery County, PA.

    (11:20 p.m. ET) More elected Pennsylvania candidates: James Fryman, Victory Township Supervisor (Venango County), Demo Agoris, Houston Borough Council (Washington County), Jerry Geleff, Exeter Township School Director(Berks County), Jason Aucker, Spring Township Auditor (Snyder County).

    (11:30 p.m. ET) With 98% of the precincts reporting, Peter Rohrman is fourth of seven candidates with 8,568 votes in the race for Governor in New Jersey.

    (11:55 p.m. ET) Zachary Elliott was elected to the Coconut Grove Village Council in Florida.

    Wednesday, November 8

    (12:22 a.m. ET) With approximately 85% of ballots counted, Michelle Darnell has 5,474 votes (32.2%) in her race for Washington State Senate, District 48.

    (12:55 a.m. ET) In the special election for U.S. Congress in Utah (3rd district), Joe Buchman finishes fifth out of six candidates, with 2,372 votes (2.2%).

    (10:00 a.m. ET) Kevin Cline elected to the Long Beach City Council in Washington with 58% of the vote.

    (10:05 a.m. ET) Three Washington LP candidates receive over 40% of the vote in their respective races: Paul Addis, Kent City Council Position 2 (45%); Ed Pace, Spokane Valley City Council Position 4 (41%); James Blair, Yelm City Council Position 7 (45%).

    (10:40 a.m. ET) Christopher Nance elected to the Carthage Town Commission in North Carolina. Finishes third in a 4-way race with 19.8% of the vote (top three elected).

    (11:55 a.m. ET) Two more Pennsylvania Libertarians elected: Eleanor Russell, Houston Borough Judge of Elections; Jake Towne, Lower Nazareth Auditor and Judge of Elections.

    (12:50 p.m. ET) Michael Hoak finished second in a three-way race for Perry County Coroner in Pennsylvania with 25.2% of the vote, ahead of the Democrat candidate.

  60. Chuck Moulton

    I was probably elected Judge of Elections (lead guy who administers primary and general elections in PA for a given precinct) by writing myself in. There was no one else running and the precinct results only show 1 write-in vote, which must be mine. However, the contents (rather than number) of write-in votes are usually not posted for a few days or weeks, so I won’t know for sure until they are fully tabulated.

    If I win, I will only respond to “Judge Moulton” from then on.

    Pro tip: Always write yourself in for empty offices.

  61. robert capozzi

    pf,

    Cuban has been meeting with many on the idea. He’s now saying I first, R second, not D.

    One gets the sense that he’s viewing himself as the anti-Trump, first and foremost. It sounds as if, no, he’s not especially partisan. He’s not a NAPster, but you may recall I liked him as GJ’s running mate in 12.

    I get the sense that he’s an open-minded pragmatist, which seems like a pretty good come-from. I don’t get the sense that he’s up on the nuances surrounding private possession of fissile materials and borderline age-of-consent matters.

  62. robert capozzi

    more…

    My guess is the current front-runner for the L nod probably HAS answers to those questions.

  63. CODY QUIRK

    I just checked the election results for Salt Lake County UT a few minutes ago- Apollo is still ahead by 4 votes in his race.
    If that holds up after next Tuesday, then the Utah L.P. will have an elected office-holder.

  64. Luke

    I’m sorry, Robert, did you just say “current front-runner for the L nod” for President in 2020? I didn’t even know there were even any declared candidates for that yet unless you count people like Nathan N., Robert Milnes, etc. As for Cuban I distinctly do remember a headline (I think it was on Ballot Access News but maybe somewhere else) just a few days ago saying if he would run at all it would only be as a Republican.

    Maybe it was the revelation that the frontrunner for US Senate in Alabama, Republican nutjob Roy Moore, allegedly had sex with 14 and 16 year old girls when he was in his 30s, that changed his mind about running with the GOP?

  65. Luke

    To be fair to Judge Moore, I don’t know his current position on privatizing the nuclear stockpile, but I do know he is fond of waving his pistol around in the air onstage while dressed as Howdy Doody and declaring that the Old Testament is the law of the land.

  66. robert capozzi

    Luke,

    The current front-runner appears to be Kokesh, who appears to be a consistent NAPster.

    Yes, when MC floated his trial balloon, he at first wanted to challenge DJT for the R nomination. That is now his second choice, based on the feedback he’s been receiving and evolving thinking. He’s weighing his options, getting up to speed on the issues, and thinking through the mechanics.

    This seems sensible enough to me, but then I am no longer a NAPster, so don’t find changing one’s mind to be a bad thing. 😉

  67. paulie Post author

    Kokesh is not a “frontrunner”, he is not even a declared candidate and the race is a long way from even starting.

  68. paulie Post author

    My guess about frontrunner speculative candidates would be either Larry Sharpe or crossover yet to be named, not Kokesh.

  69. Tony From Long Island

    Luke

    Maybe it was the revelation that the frontrunner for US Senate in Alabama, Republican nutjob Roy Moore, allegedly had sex with 14 and 16 year old girls when he was in his 30s, that changed his mind about running with the GOP?

    The woman clearly states that they did not have sex, but that he fondled her. He was already an awful overall person long before these revelations.

    With all of the gay-bashing he does, I’m surprised it wasn’t a 14-year-old boy

  70. robert capozzi

    pf,

    Yes, I know, but he’s considering a run and IPR has been covering his interest in the nomination. I have not heard of others who are considering running and have not seen any coverage on IPR of those contemplating the nomination.

    In this sense, he’s– if not the frontrunner (a good shorthand term) — then he’s the highest profile prospective candidate, or some such.

    Does that characterization work for you?

  71. paulie Post author

    Does that characterization work for you?

    Nope. IPR ran the Jack News series about various potential 2020 nominees. I’m pretty sure you commented on some of those. Sharpe has been described as a potential 2020 nominee in more than a few threads you participated in, as has Weld, Amash, etc.

  72. robert capozzi

    pf,

    We were posting at the same time. Sharpe might also be a prospective frontrunner, too. My sense is that he’s a NAPster as well, so he too may have views on fissile materials and obscure consent views. It comes with the territory.

  73. paulie Post author

    With all of the gay-bashing he does, I’m surprised it wasn’t a 14-year-old boy

    Yep. He does have a gay son who has been in quite a bit of legal trouble though.

  74. paulie Post author

    Sharpe might also be a prospective frontrunner, too. My sense is that he’s a NAPster as well,

    I don’t think so.

  75. dL

    Yep. He does have a gay son who has been in quite a bit of legal trouble though.

    I can’t find any source to substantiate that Moore’s son is gay…

  76. dL

    The current front-runner appears to be Kokesh, who appears to be a consistent NAPster.

    Kokesh may be a front-declarer…but that’s about it

  77. paulie Post author

    I can’t remember where I heard that. Maybe it was the YMCA steam room. Or MSNBC, which is almost as reliable.

  78. paulie Post author

    To be fair to Judge Moore, I don’t know his current position on privatizing the nuclear stockpile

    But at least now we know his position on borderline age of consent issues….

  79. robert capozzi

    cm,

    Yes, absolutely!

    It would be way cool if Flake were to change party affiliation to L for the balance of his term. It’d give that 20 ticket all the more umph.

  80. Nicholas Hensley

    I just have to voice my distaste for all of the candidates in the Alabama Special Election. If you live in Alabama, and don’t know who to vote for – just write in Anthony De Ribas. He held political office for the Reform Party, has never had a scandal, and has a good moral fiber. At least you can feel good about not voting for one of the other clowns. De Ribas isn’t even running and he’s a better choice.

  81. paulie Post author

    If you live in Alabama, and don’t know who to vote for – just write in Anthony De Ribas

    What’s wrong with just writing in Ron Bishop?

  82. J.R.Myers

    A CP National Executive Committee meeting just concluded. The National CP Executive Committee has voted unanimously to stand behind U.S.Senate candidate, Roy Moore.

  83. George Phillies

    In happier news, Aaron Starr’s Recall Oxnard movement has collected a vast number of signatures to recall four of the city’s Councilors for pushing water rates through the roof, and other matters. Three cheers for Aaron and Oxnard Recall!

    The statement I received reads:
    Oxnard Recall
    George —
    On Wednesday we delivered four full boxes to the Oxnard City Clerk.
    In those boxes were 68,000 signatures on petitions seeking the recall of four Oxnard City Council Members who voted to raise our wastewater rates by 75% — an increase of over $279 per year for an average household.

    Last year, when we residents voted overwhelmingly for Measure M — rescinding the City Council’s last abusive rate increase — we clearly told the City Council to come up with a more reasonable plan.

    They didn’t.

    Instead, they doubled down — first by suing to overturn the public vote and then by voting for another huge rate increase.

    That was the last straw.

    Since June — with the aid of a very capable team of signature gatherers — we have been collecting the signatures required to hold the City Council accountable for their decision to overturn the will of the voters.

    We all worked diligently, talking to thousands of people at farmers markets, street festivals, grocery stores and even going door-to-door.

    The real credit for this success, though, belongs to you, the voters of this city. You are the real heroes. After you heard the stories of abuse and malfeasance — including how the City has been siphoning money out of the utility funds — you stepped up and signed our recall petitions in droves.

    What you have done is truly historic. No one has successfully qualified for the ballot a recall of a city council majority in a city as large as Oxnard (population 207,000).

    There are 80,000 registered voters in Oxnard. To qualify four recall petitions for the ballot, we needed 48,000 signatures. You went above and beyond, delivering over 68,000 signatures.

    By comparison, the four people you are recalling received only 60,000 votes combined during their most recent elections.

    Think about that for a moment. The number of you signing petitions exceeds the number who last voted for these same people.

    If that is not a fall from grace for these elected officials, I don’t know what is.

    You have sparked a movement to bring about more accountable government in Oxnard.

    And for that, you should be proud.

    Aaron Starr
    Oxnard Recall
    starr@oxnardrecall.com
    805-585-3791

    Paid for by Oxnard Recall! Starr Coalition for Moving Oxnard Forward by Supporting the Recall of Mayor Flynn and Councilmembers Ramirez, Perello and Madrigal. Major Funding by Aaron Starr. 2130 Posada Drive, Oxnard, CA 93030

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  84. DJ

    Question: For those of you who sign people to the Libertarian party, how do you initiate your asking?

    Not that I’m endorsing any party association. Just curious.

    My small circle of friends, and slightly larger circle of acquaintances, with small exceptions, are Republicans. Died in the wool, and basically ignorant about politics. When I tell them I’m libertarian their eyes glaze over or they start stuttering and stammering about their beliefs, which are mostly talking points, then they find an excuse to change the subject.

    My belief is in sowing seeds and nurturing them and they will bear fruit. Example is the best teacher etc.

    So, how do you introduce a better alternative to what we’re living, to those you approach?

  85. Just Some Random Guy

    I know this is being posted somewhat last minute, but I only discovered it right now. Laura Ebke, an incumbent Libertarian in the Nebraska State Senate (the only Libertarian in it, in fact), is running for re-election, and there’s a matching funds offer right now for donations to her campaign up through November 30. Here is the site:
    https://lauraebke.com

    So any donations you make today or tomorrow will be doubled! I figured I should share this bit of information.

  86. wolfefan

    Hi all –
    Sorry if someone has already asked or answered this – what happened to the public LNC Business list? The bookmark I have saved for it now gets a 404 error.

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