Alabama Senate candidate forum on Dec. 5 includes Libertarian Ron Bishop

Via Eric Dixon at LP.org. I will try to provide live coverage of the event tomorrow with Laura Whitfield of the LP of Alabama. -paulie

Write in Ron Bishop - U.S. Senate

Alabama voters have more candidates to choose from than controversial GOP nominee Roy Moore and Democratic candidate Doug Jones. Seven other candidates have declared as write-in candidates, including Libertarian Party candidate Ron Bishop. All nine have been invited to participate in a candidate debate on Tuesday, Dec. 5, at 7 p.m. in the Perry County Courthouse. The debate is sponsored by WVFG Radio of Uniontown. Five of the candidates, including Libertarian Ron Bishop, have agreed to participate in the debate. The Ron Bishop campaign website plans to offer a live feed of the event.

Ballot access laws in Alabama are practically insurmountable for third-party candidates, requiring 20 percent of the vote in the last election in order to stay on the ballot. Petitioning to get on the ballot requires 3 percent of the vote total in a statewide race, the highest in the nation. A special election, like the vote for Alabama Senate on Dec. 12, adds time constraints to the campaigning process and makes the petitioning requirement even more difficult to meet.

The Libertarian Party thanks WVFG Radio for providing this opportunity for Alabamians to hear about their other choices on Election Day, especially Libertarian candidate Ron Bishop, who supports balancing the federal budget, free trade as the cornerstone of American prosperity, a non-interventionist foreign policy, and unwavering support for the Second Amendment.

“In Alabama, as elsewhere, Libertarians offer the common-sense alternative to being forced to choose between increasingly partisan Democrats and Republicans,” said Libertarian National Committee Chair Nicholas Sarwark. “To that end, the Libertarian Party plans to field 2000 candidates, on the ballot, in 2018.”

Learn more about Libertarian Ron Bishop for Alabama Senate at his campaign website.

90 thoughts on “Alabama Senate candidate forum on Dec. 5 includes Libertarian Ron Bishop

  1. paulie Post author

    Ron Bishop for U.S. Senate added an event.
    21 hrs ·
    Libertarian Ron Bishop will be joining fellow write-in candidates for U.S. Senate for a debate at the Perry County Courthouse. A LIVE STREAM of the event will be established on the Ron Bishop for U.S. Senate Facebook page, @RonBishopforUSSenate.
    Candidates Attending:
    Ronald Bishop Jr., Libertarian Party (Write-In Candidate)
    Jeff Coggin, Independent (Write-In Candidate)
    Chanda Crutcher, Independent (Write-In Candidate)
    Eulas Kirtdoll Sr., Independent (Write-In Candidate)
    Arlester McBride, Independent (Write-In Candidate)
    Candidates not participating as of this release:
    Doug Jones, Democratic Party
    Roy Moore, Republican Party
    Mac Watson, Independent (Write-In Candidate)
    Attempts to contact Write-In Candidate Lee Busby were unsuccessful
    The forum is sponsored by
    WVFG Radio
    3995 Freetown Road
    Uniontown, Alabama 36786

  2. paulie Post author

    If there is a livestream on the fb page I am not seeing it yet. I will check back from time to time. If anyone sees it before I do please let me know.

  3. paulie Post author

    Thanks Mike. As I tuned in an African-American gentleman running as an independent whose name I did not catch is speaking. Says he has been a Democrat most of his life but became an “independent Democrat” since Wallace. That was the last of the intros and moving on to health care.

  4. Mike C

    @paulie, the webstream probably started late andRon Bishop may have to use another candidates’ computer to stream this live. The stream started with the last candidate, I believe.

  5. Mike C

    @paulie, here is the official Ron Bishop livestream: https://www.facebook.com/laura.b.whitfield/videos/vb.682288166/10155417067953167/?type=3&theater

    Ronald Bishop Jr., Libertarian Party (Write-In Candidate) – Second
    Jeff Coggin, Independent (Write-In Candidate) – First/Fourth (?)
    Chanda Crutcher, Independent (Write-In Candidate) – Third
    Eulas Kirtdoll Sr., Independent (Write-In Candidate) – Fifth
    Arlester McBride, Independent (Write-In Candidate) – First/Fourth (?)

  6. paulie Post author

    Abortion is next topic 1st from right (Kirtdoll) is pro choice and says he will follow the law. 2nd from right (McBride or Coggin?) is pro life…

  7. paulie Post author

    Same guy says he is a states rights candidate and is proud of the flag.

    Mike thanks again for seating chart and the correct link, that was the one I meant to paste instead of wapo again.

  8. paulie Post author

    Last candidate previously mentioned clarifies his pro life stance is not absolute.

    Chanda Crutcher is similarly pro life but would make exceptions under extreme circumstances.

    Ron Bishop – government should not be involved at any level, personally against abortion, against govt funding

  9. paulie Post author

    Coggin starts this one, says he grew up rural and is passionate about the environment. Says he is an advocate of sustainable energy and green jobs, holistic well being and outdoors activities. Bishop says he also grew up in a small town and loves outdoors, but mentions private funds to preserve nature. Says we need to be careful about government coming in in the name of environmental protection. Does support some state forest setasides.

  10. paulie Post author

    Also that US uses disproportionate amount of resources and even the poor in the US live better than most people in other countries.

  11. paulie Post author

    Says we have to be concerned with global, not just US environment. McBride says he “concurs with everything that has been said.”

  12. paulie Post author

    Had a bit of tech issues. Foreign policy. McBride said we need more diplomacy. Kirtdoll talks about need for borders and being heavily impacted by 9/11, believes in strong military and says we do have enemies. However the US has done “some bad things” around the world.

  13. paulie Post author

    Crutcher says we need more diplomacy. Bishop also says diplomacy is key and we can’t be world police. Mentions his son is in the Air Force. Coggin says he is retired military and says military people do not want war, economic and diplomatic tools should be used first.

  14. paulie Post author

    Last topic is economy and jobs. Crutcher jumps on it out of order and says sustainable and equitable economy needs to be a priority.

  15. Mike C.

    Update on the seating arrangements:

    Laura B Whitfield Left to right…
    Coggin, bishop, chandra, kirtdoll, mcbride

    Have technical difficulties. Wifi or coverage may not be good with a lot of people seeing the live feed in Marion.

  16. paulie Post author

    Coggin wants to push “made in America” and beat China. 4 year college is not for everyone, need tech/vocational education.

  17. paulie Post author

    Coggin: we have jobs without people and people without jobs; need better education where kids really learn and retain; teachers need reacquainted with industry periodically.

  18. paulie Post author

    Kirtdoll somehow gets on immigration. Believes more enforcement is needed but not a wall. Says healthcare needs to be uncoupled from job.

  19. paulie Post author

    McBride says he grew up on a plantation picking cotton and driving tractors. Says help the person with the greatest need.

  20. paulie Post author

    Bishop: honored to be there with all the other candidates. Hopes this election will get people engaged and seek better alternatives. Says we need better ballot access laws.

  21. paulie Post author

    Crutcher gets 2nd go at closing? Talks about all the people who didn’t vote and says they need to know they have other options.

  22. paulie Post author

    McBride: need global perspective; says Alabama has great schools but need to get Montgomery out of the way of schools and paying too much for legal fees.

  23. paulie Post author

    McBride: we have the right to not vote. You can not vote and still complain. There is only one race, the human race.

  24. paulie Post author

    Tax question.

    Bishop is for national flat tax or “fair” tax. Believes some taxes are needed but too high now. Wants balanced budget amendment with spending cuts.

  25. Mike C.

    We need an open debate between the candidates and only between the candidates about each other’s positions.

  26. paulie Post author

    Coggin: A lot of money is wasted in military, government. We need more control of exactly how it is spent. Says we need strategic planning.

  27. paulie Post author

    Crutcher: need better evaluation of government employees.

    Kirtdoll: debt is way too high. Does not like Trump/GOP tax cut.

  28. paulie Post author

    Says it was rushed thru just so Trump could have a win. Says we don’t know what we are getting. Says rich will benefit.

  29. Mike C.

    Questions and comments from the FB live feed for posterity:

    Laura B Whitfield Havent talked taxes yet

    Shannon Davis Don’t know if this has already been talked about, but curious if Ron bishop has researched the fair tax plan and his thoughts on it.

    Conway Todhunter I think we consume too much also but are you prepared to control people’s consumption by force?

    Frank Dillman Sr. Laura, time for a ?. Each candidate “upon being elected to US Senate, will you use your office to “encourage” the legislature and governor to give the citizens of Alabama a Legislative Referendum on Initiative and Referendum.”

    Sean Grehalva I would love to hear their stances on term limits for Congress and Senate.

    Conway Todhunter Healthcare is not a right. It’s a service. You don’t have the right to someone else’s services unless you are prepared to take it by force.

  30. paulie Post author

    Crutcher: with D tax plan will not pass, with R it will pass, with independent the right questions will be asked.

    McBride: need to consult the experts.

  31. paulie Post author

    Kirtdoll gives glory to God. Says he has been waling about 10 miles a day last 3 days from Marion to Montgomery. Was in Selma today, talks about the events there in 1965.

  32. paulie Post author

    Missed a bit. Crutcher expressed appreciation that transgender bathroom issue was not brought up. Coggin talks about voter intimidation and courage.

  33. paulie Post author

    What do you think of the debate so far, @paulie?

    Way better than what we have heard from the balloted candidates, certainly not all ideas I agree with but glad to hear the range. You?

  34. Mike C.

    I was impressed with the young lady, candidate Chandra. Candidate Mcbride I disagreed with the most, the other two I was half-agreeing / half-disagreeing. I’m Ron Bishop all the way.

  35. paulie Post author

    Crutcher: should have state referendum but not national. Need to control lobbyists. Coggin is for state I & R.

  36. Mike C.

    I would love for this thread to show up on Ron Bishop’s Facebook feed. Make it happen @paulie.

  37. paulie Post author

    I don’t run that but good idea. I think they already linked to this article. Thanks for helping me cover it Mike C. and Laura for the video. If anyone else is reading thank you for reading and for everyone who attended, asked and answered questions for taking part.

  38. Anon-Tipper

    Thanks for posting this and the link to the debate! Looks like Moore and Jones were too scared to debate! Sad!

  39. Laura W

    Thank you Paulie and Mike C for this coverage! I apologize for the video. We thought we could piggyback off Kirtdoll’s stream but when I shared it it wouldn’t let our people comment so we had to improvise! We let the other candidates know about probable LPA ballot access next year and Cutcher and Coggin are both very interested. Coggin for Lt. Governor. Great job and we really, really appreciate this!!

  40. Mike C.

    @ThaneEichenauer, two can play at this game. A simple DuckDuckGo search produces this gem: https://mises.org/library/flat-tax-not-flat-and-fairtax-not-fair

    “Two specific tax reform plans that some libertarians have fallen for are the Flat Tax and the FairTax. Both plans promise to invigorate the economy, increase employment, and raise everyone’s standard of living. Neither one is true to its name; neither one is an incremental step toward overall lower taxes. Both are fraught with problems and contradictions; both are revenue-neutral plans that would fund the federal government at the same obscene level that it is now.”

    In my view, until the IRS is defunded and ended, we have to live with the system we got. The Flat Tax is also, a fraud, as is tax reform itself. Taxes are a bad idea, in general, overall.

  41. paulie Post author

    In my view, until the IRS is defunded and ended, we have to live with the system we got. The Flat Tax is also, a fraud, as is tax reform itself. Taxes are a bad idea, in general, overall.

    I agree with that last part, but why is tax reform (in general) a fraud in your view? The level and complexity of taxation are two whole separate problems on top of the immorality of taxation to begin with. Why is it fraudulent to mitigate the problem, short of a radical step that the vast majority of the public isn’t remotely ready for?

  42. paulie Post author

    I continue to be amazed how many people in the liberty movement get suckered into endorsing the Fair Tax. It’s supporters tell you it doesn’t reduce taxes. It adds another government run individual welfare system. Isn’t that enough to leave another bad idea to those folks that don’t really care about limiting government?
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Fair+Tax+fraud

    For once I completely agree with Thane. There’s nothing fair about the “fair” tax.

  43. paulie Post author

    We let the other candidates know about probable LPA ballot access next year and Cutcher and Coggin are both very interested.

    Awesome and thank you for your work on the campaign! Sorry we could not connect for me to get down there with you.

    We let the other candidates know about probable LPA ballot access next year and Cutcher and Coggin are both very interested.

    Awesome, thank you again! This is why certain people in the party, or at least on the Alabama LP facebook group, don’t understand, getting ballot access brings in new members and new candidates and new donations…it doesn’t just “drain our budget” and we are not just trying to get the existing 200 or so dues paying members to find 100 candidates among them. People who say that kind of stuff don’t know the first thing about political organizing.

  44. paulie Post author

    Thanks for posting this and the link to the debate! Looks like Moore and Jones were too scared to debate! Sad!

    Moore is afraid to even debate Jones, much less any write-in candidates. For that matter he won’t take questions at his own public events. Jones if I understood right is not opposed in principle to debating anyone but had other things scheduled. Of course that could just be an excuse, I’ll believe he is willing to debate write-in candidates when I see him do so.

  45. paulie Post author

    Weather forecast in Bham for tomorrow is the 40s most of the day and 30s in the evening with winds in the teens during the day and calmer in the evening, 0-5% chance of rain every hour, partly cloudy thru 1 pm and sunny/clear from 2 pm on. I haven’t checked other parts of the state.

  46. Thane Eichenauer

    Woot for paulie’s weather report. Never underestimate the ability of the weather or college football fever their influence on world events.

    Also blessed be the http 503 errors the IPR web site occaisionally throws for reminding me that there are still plenty of impfect nooks and crannies here on planet Earth.

    Need a last minute chuckle? Catch 3 minutes of SNL Weekend Update with a shot of Al Franken with a Roy Moore chaser.
    https://youtu.be/3QzKcdpy9LU

  47. Thane Eichenauer

    paulie> Is Al Franken going back to SNL now that he is out of the Senate?

    Ask again when Franken is out of the Senate. He ain’t out till he is out and he ain’t out yet.
    https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken

    “Senator Franken announced his resignation from the US Senate on December 7, 2017. He stated that he will formally vacate his seat in the coming weeks.” aka when he gets around to it – don’t rush the guy he has important stuff he has to do – Senate stuff – it could be 2 weeks, it could be 8 weeks – weeks is weeks
    https://votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/108924/al-franken#.Wi9y23plAj1

  48. Luke

    Yep…New South, baby! And so much for Paulie’s picks…he’s 0-3 between the Egg Bowl, the Iron Bowl and now Moore v Jones. Next time just watch the way Paulie bets anytime on anything and bet exactly the opposite way… and before too long you will have more money than you ever dreamed of. Stay tuned for lots of whining about alleged voter fraud, the deep state, blah blah blah.

  49. Luke

    If I was a Democratic Party strategist I would start thinking about Doug Jones for President. He will not survive in the Senate past his abbreviated term, he is known for prosecuting the KKK (whereas Trump is known for retweeting their propaganda and saying many of them are good people), and what better way to rub it in Trump’s nasty orange face? Meanwhile Ron Bishop will actually have his votes counted which is more than what could have been expected. Shitty night to be Trumpublican but otherwise a good night indeed. As the yankee paper says of Moore “screw you and the horse you rode in on.”

  50. itdoesntmatterttomuch

    I really thought Moore would win. Can’t help but feel a little bit good about this outcome.

  51. paulie Post author

    As the yankee paper says of Moore “screw you and the horse you rode in on.”

    That is completely unfair to the horse.

  52. paulie Post author

    If I was a Democratic Party strategist I would start thinking about Doug Jones for President.

    I’ve heard they are looking for female candidates, maybe Gillibrand or Warren. That may depend on whether the sexual harassment and assault charges against Trump start getting new attention, and I am seeing some indication that this is where things are going after what just happened here in Alabama. Maybe they’ll run Doug Jones for VP, although they may be looking for someone who could at least help deliver their own home state or some voting group or demographic of some sort.

    Meanwhile Ron Bishop will actually have his votes counted which is more than what could have been expected.

    Hung out with Ron last night. Good people, and he was in a good mood as we watched returns come in.

  53. paulie Post author

    And so much for Paulie’s picks…he’s 0-3 between the Egg Bowl, the Iron Bowl and now Moore v Jones.

    I’m happy to have been wrong on that last one. Not so happy about the Iron Bowl, but part of me saw it coming. The impact on the playoffs was erased within a week when Auburn lost its rematch with Georgia in the SEC championship and Alabama made the playoffs after all, edging out Ohio State in a controversial decision by the committee.

    Next time just watch the way Paulie bets anytime on anything and bet exactly the opposite way… and before too long you will have more money than you ever dreamed of.

    Actually, my investment picks are doing very well so far this year; betting $69.14 on Moore to win didn’t really hurt financially. I “made” the money back within a very few minutes.

    Stay tuned for lots of whining about alleged voter fraud, the deep state, blah blah blah.

    Yep, youbetcha.

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