Andy Jacobs: The Top 4 Libertarian Issues

22 thoughts on “Andy Jacobs: The Top 4 Libertarian Issues

  1. Steven R Linnabary

    It’s kind of hard to make jury nullification a sexy issue.

    OTOH, it was the only thing I talked about wen I ran for county clerk of court. The position didn’t have anything to do with juries, but it gave me a platform. The FIJA flyer was my campaign leaflet (with my contact info rubberstamped).

  2. Andy

    I disagree that it is hard to make Jury Nullification a sexy issue. Lots of people have been prosecuted for things that would not be crimes in a libertarian society, like non-violent drug and gun offenses. Sitting in jail or prison sucks. People should not be locked up for victimless crimes. If more people knew that Jury Nullification could end the War on Drugs and the War on Guns, and other things that should not be crimes, via Jury Nullification, I bet they would think it was a “sexy” issue.

  3. Thomas L. Knapp

    Jury nullification is like any other issue — whether or not it is “sexy” depends on where and when you are.

    If you’re running for office in an area where a whole bunch of people are going to prison on bullshit victimless crime charges, and if the public is noticing that or can be brought to notice it, jury nullification could very well be a winning issue, especially if you’re running for sheriff or prosecutor.

  4. DJ

    Well presented, Andy, and I think you’re right in your assessments.

    I particularly am interested in the fed reserve system. I also like the idea in the constitution that granting authority to congress to coin money and set the value- I’ve asked several people why, when congress has that authority, does it borrow money- no one has an answer- it’s amazing to me that so few have no knowledge of our monetary system, and I’m not claiming to be an authority or an expert.

    It seems very few people (in my small circle) have any clues (nor are they interested in clues) about our gov’t- all they know is rah, rah, rah- ciss, boom, bah, I’m X party believer because- well, because I am. I don’t like x about X. They don’t “think” reason or respond- they react-
    The issues you’re pointing out, when opportunity presents itself, are great points- but the listener has to want to listen- very few do. Most people have the attention span of a gnat- leading to the following:

    I’m not sure most people care- that leads to a philosophical discussion which can’t really be avoided when discussing politics among the rank and file- mass interest interests are pretty well set by the media. Changing minds comes when hearts are changed. That’s philosophical by definition and IMO, most adults outlook on philosophy begins at home making what libertarians deal with more difficult when the media more or less controls everything we’re subjected to, politically and personally.

    But, good luck in the effort.

  5. DJ

    Oh, and as far as the sex appeal goes- that reminds me of a meme I was sent a couple of years ago.

    It was a good looking woman in a bikini- the words accompanying it said; No matter how good she looks, somebody, somewhere is tired of her shit-

    My point being sex is superficial and appeal is subjective-

    Change hearts, minds will follow. Hearts are the philosophical aspect of politics.

  6. Anastasia Beaverhausen

    “The position didn’t have anything to do with juries, but it gave me a platform. ”

    So I’m assuming you thought having a platform that had nothing to do with the job you were running for was somehow a *good* thing? IMHO, that makes the LP look amateurish.

  7. Carol Moore/Secession.net

    Well, isn’t Andy a sexy young thing.

    How many children has he fathered? By how many women? Just female curiosity.

  8. wredlich

    It took you nearly two minutes to get to the four issues. That’s a way to lose a lot of viewers. If you headline a video with “top 4 issues”, you should start with the 4 of them within 15 seconds of the start of the video, 30 at worst.

  9. paulie Post author

    How many children has he fathered? By how many women? Just female curiosity.

    If I remember what I learned in anatomy class correctly I’m pretty sure the answer is zero.

  10. George Phillies

    For those of us nto interested in listening to infinitely slow verbal communication as opposed to text, what were his issues. I gather that jury nullification and the Federal Reserve system were two of them.

  11. Andy

    “wredlich
    June 26, 2018 at 11:05
    It took you nearly two minutes to get to the four issues. That’s a way to lose a lot of viewers. If you headline a video with “top 4 issues”, you should start with the 4 of them within 15 seconds of the start of the video, 30 at worst.”

    The video is only 6 minutes and 53 seconds, which I did not think was that long. This was done off the hook, as in not much planning went into it.

  12. Andy

    DJ said: “It seems very few people (in my small circle) have any clues (nor are they interested in clues) about our gov’t- all they know is rah, rah, rah- ciss, boom, bah, I’m X party believer because- well, because I am. I don’t like x about X. They don’t “think” reason or respond- they react-
    The issues you’re pointing out, when opportunity presents itself, are great points- but the listener has to want to listen- very few do. Most people have the attention span of a gnat- leading to the following:

    I’m not sure most people care- that leads to a philosophical discussion which can’t really be avoided when discussing politics among the rank and file- mass interest interests are pretty well set by the media. Changing minds comes when hearts are changed. That’s philosophical by definition and IMO, most adults outlook on philosophy begins at home making what libertarians deal with more difficult when the media more or less controls everything we’re subjected to, politically and personally.”

    This is why I think that the best approach for libertarians to achieve liberty is to form their own communities (see here: http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/07/andy-jacobs-the-libertarian-zone/ ).

  13. Andy

    “George Phillies
    June 26, 2018 at 12:21
    For those of us nto interested in listening to infinitely slow verbal communication as opposed to text, what were his issues. I gather that jury nullification and the Federal Reserve system were two of them.”

    George, the four issues were, not necessarily in order of importance, were:

    1) Taxes

    2) Federal Reserve/fiat currency

    3) The right to keep and bear arms

    4) Fully informed fair jury trials

    Do readers out there agree, or disagree, that these are the top 4 issues, outside of property rights and the Non-Aggression Principle, which I kept off the table for this discussion?

  14. Chuck Moulton

    I like to see outreach more left/right balanced when possible. So I think that list would be better replacing one of them with an anti-war or drug legalization message.

  15. paulie Post author

    I like to see outreach more left/right balanced when possible. So I think that list would be better replacing one of them with an anti-war or drug legalization message.

    I agree that would be ideal but I think we have been bending over backwards, forwards and tying ourselves in knots trying to reach out to the right and in the process alienating the left that some overcompensation is long overdue. So, in addition to ratcheting down the military-industrial complex and ending the drug war/police-prison-industrial complex, I’d say ratcheting down the immigration/border police state would have to be on any list of top issues, as would ending the “war on terror” and domestic espionage. If that doesn’t do anything to reach out to conservatives, I’m fine with that.

  16. Andy

    I have those issues in the top 4 because I consider them to be the most essential elements for having a libertarian society (no taxes, and no government currency, from the purist perspective), beyond property rights and the Non-Aggression Principle.

    If you eliminate taxes and fiat currency, you have effectively eliminated government, so there would be no War on Drugs or military imperialism or government schools or anything else government, because there’d be no funding for it.

    Fully informed jury trials would be the remedy for the Justice system, so this would eliminate, at least as much as possible, all victimless crimes. Even an ancap society would need some kind of justice system.

    Even though some of the left leaning libertarians have been annoying me lately, I actually agree that the LP should strike a balance between left and right. Outreach efforts should be done with all groups, left, right, center, non-voters, independents, etc… Independents and non-voters are probably the most fertile ground for LP recruitment.

    I thought about adding education to the list, but there would be no government schools without taxes. I thought about adding war to the list, but there’d be no way to fund war without taxes and fiat currency.

  17. Andy

    The purpose of this list is not about reaching out to the right or the left, but rather, to list the most essential elements for establishing a free society, not including the Non-Aggression Principle and property rights, which are the heart and soul of libertarianism.

  18. paulie Post author

    The establishment of a free society is about not having government guns in your face, not being stopped, searched and questioned by government agents with guns, not being locked in cages or forced to work for government or being killed, maimed, surveilled, etc by government. Thus all my top issues are about where government force is most direct, where government guns are literally pointed at people, where people are literally killed, maimed, caged or enslaved by government.

  19. Andy

    There wouldn’t be any funding for government without taxes and fiat currency. So there’d be no government agents to force anything since there’d be no way to pay them.

  20. paulie Post author

    Then the armed government agents would just collect revenue directly at gunpoint. And no, you aren’t going to shoot it out with them because they will jam your brain with light, noise and microwave weapons, or shoot you down with drones, or whatever.

    What’s the point of this mental masturbation? You aren’t going to just eliminate all taxes all at once, and if you eliminate all taxes at all ever, you’d have to by then change the public mind in a way that brings freedom across the board on all issues. There’s no point in cherrypicking because freedom on all issues is tied together. But if you have to start somewhere, start where government is most directly lethal, violent and transgresses on you most physically.

    As long as people believe there are government functions which are necessary and can only be done by government, taxes can’t be eliminated. It’s silly to think you can attack taxes in isolation from what they pay for, as if that’s ever going to be possible. The real answer is all our freedoms, all the time. And start by getting your government guns out of my face.

  21. Andy

    Armed agents collecting revenue at gun point would be taxes, which further proves my point.

    They also could be user fees, but you would not have to pay the user fee if you did not use the good or service.

  22. paulie Post author

    It doesn’t matter. You can’t get rid of taxes in isolation from getting rid of the commonly held belief that they are necessary and proper to all sorts of other needed “services.” It does not work that way.

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