Joshua Smith “fights commies in the Libertarian Party!”

30 thoughts on “Joshua Smith “fights commies in the Libertarian Party!”

  1. Andy

    This is weird. I just posted this video article a little awhile ago today, probably within the last 1-3 hours or so, and it is already out of “pending” status, yet I have like 10 or 11 articles that are still stuck in “pending” status, including some that have been stuck in that status since July.

    This article, along with one about Larry Sharpe, are the only articles of mind that have posted here, since early July.

    Articles of I have that are stuck in pending status feature Adam Kokesh, Cynthia McKinney, Tom Woods, the Green Party, a flashback to minor candidates in the 1996 election, and more.

    There is another article I have been intending to post about a Libertarian activist who passed away several months ago, about which nobody here has ever mentioned, and I’m not sure if anyone here even knows of this person’s passing. I’m also not sure how many people here knew, or knew of, this person, but I think that at least one or two IPR regulars besides me knew who this person was. This person was a great activist and deserves recognition here. Anyway, I have yet to get around to posting this article, but I should post it soon, like maybe today. One reason I have not posted it here yet is due to the backlog in my articles caused by my articles being stuck in “pending” status for a ridiculous amount of time.

  2. Andy

    I never thought that I’d see the day when it was necessary to fight commies in the Libertarian Party. Sad state of affairs. Go get ’em, Joshua Smith!

  3. Aiden

    Ah yes, the dumbass paleo-cons “fighting” the perfectly legitimate anarcho-socalists. Get the sticks out of your asses and learn that libertarianism has nothing to do economic models, and everything to do with personal choice. It’s perfectly possible for VOLUNTARY co-op groups (including municipalities) to exist that use socialist, communist, and social democratic models coupled with liberty and freedom. No it’s not aggression if those people voluntarily choose to live within those municipalities (or sub-grounps). In fact, it would be aggression on your part to prohibit them from doing so. And no, none of these “commies” are making the argument that government should force people into these systems…. they’re all voluntaryists just like anarch-capitalists.

    This is why the paleo-cons (like Andy) need to be the ones fought against…. not the various anarchist factions.

  4. Andy

    I would put myself in the anarcho-capitalist camp. Anarcho-communists are not libertarian.

    Like Josh said, people who want to be communists can do it under libertarianism only if they do it on their own property, and as long as those involved voluntarily consent to it.

    Anyone calling for abolishing property rights is not a libertarian. Rent is theft is not libertarian.

  5. paulie

    This is weird. I just posted this video article a little awhile ago today, probably within the last 1-3 hours or so, and it is already out of “pending” status, yet I have like 10 or 11 articles that are still stuck in “pending” status, including some that have been stuck in that status since July.

    Nothing that weird about it. That also happened to be the last time I spent any significant amount of time online other than one night when I had insomnia just after my computer got fixed until now. My laptop stopped working one night in a rainstorm in Oklahoma. I took it over to Best Buy and their so called experts told me it could not be fixed. After the petition in Connecticut I met with a party member in a different part of CT who owns a computer store and he fixed it within minutes for about $40 and I was just starting to get online, had insomnia that night, got yelled at by my someone I was with for the loud typing and the light from the screen, and haven’t opened it back up again after that until today.

    So as mentioned in other threads since I was not around no one was here to approve your posts, and it should tell you something that no one else would bother. Also as I told you that one night I was online here, you have the most to do with me not coming around here as much so the biggest reason your articles don’t get posted right away is…your own comments.

    I am approving your articles despite my extreme disgust and nausea at too many of your comments these days to count. I am not going to approve all of them at once so I’ll try to either put up some other articles myself to space them out or wait for someone else to so you don’t have the whole front page all at once. But they will get posted. The less obnoxious stupidity and excessive argumentativeness from you in comments the better the chances that I won’t get disgusted and give up again. If I do, well you see what happens.

    There is another article I have been intending to post about a Libertarian activist who passed away several months ago, about which nobody here has ever mentioned, and I’m not sure if anyone here even knows of this person’s passing. I’m also not sure how many people here knew, or knew of, this person, but I think that at least one or two IPR regulars besides me knew who this person was. This person was a great activist and deserves recognition here. Anyway, I have yet to get around to posting this article, but I should post it soon, like maybe today. One reason I have not posted it here yet is due to the backlog in my articles caused by my articles being stuck in “pending” status for a ridiculous amount of time.

    I’ll approve the new article if you write it today. Not sure how much longer my patience for the same people repeating the same things in the comments here will last this time. I need a new hobby. This one isn’t doing it for me.

  6. paulie

    I never thought that I’d see the day when it was necessary to fight commies in the Libertarian Party. Sad state of affairs. Go get ’em, Joshua Smith!

    The number of commies in the LP is miniscule and insignificant. The invasion of the altreich white nationalists who Smith surrounds himself with and despite his denials may be one of himself is far larger and more significant. There’s a multiple orders of magnitude difference in scale.

    The bigger story about Smith is that he allegedly assaulted his ex-girlfriend (he claims she actually assaulted him), which fits in with the patterns of behavior he has exhibited on many occasions. Other alt rightists infiltrating the LP have similar problems, such as Augustus Invictus who was also accused of assaulting, kidnapping, raping and threatening to kill a former girlfriend. These people also frequently issue threats of physical violence against those who criticize them within the party, such as again Invictus who has threatened myself among others, Ramsey and various friends of theirs in Florida, and according to what I have been reading on FB today, also includes Josh Smith, who coincidentally befriends and defends Ramsey and his fascist American Guard organization, among his many other unsavory associations.

  7. Thomas L. Knapp

    Pings my irony meter — the whole interview takes place in front of a poster of Lysander Spooner, who had his own heterodox ideas concerning labor, capital, property, and the interrelationships thereof. If he was in the Libertarian Party today, Joshua “Let’s Get to Work” Smith would be spending his time trying to get the LNC to condemn him instead of getting to fucking work.

  8. paulie

    One could just as easily say that Paul has “exposed himself” or “morphed into being” alt-left, as he came out in support of the communist agitator group (funded by the likes of George Soros) known as Antifa, who have initiated acts of physical violence, destruction of property, and squashing free speech, all over the country over the last few years, and who openly promote communism and even wave around communist flags.

    I support free speech, including the speech of people with whom I disagree, such as Antifa communists, but I do not support the tactics of Antifa of initiating violence, property destruction, and suppressing the speech of people with whom they disagree.

    This is bullshit, and Andy knows it. I’ve explained it too many times for Andy to have failed to notice that I don’t support any such group that has received any money from Soros or anyone else or indeed any group at all. What I support is unorganized active opposition to fascism. I don’t support any tactics that anyone uses allegedly in the service of such a goal which include initiation of force, violence or property destruction. I did when I was a teenager but that was a long time ago. Andy is repeating lies from the likes of Ramsey. Congratulations!

    There is no such thing as the alt left. It’s literally a made up term. Alt right was created by people who embraced that label, mainly Paul Gottfried and Richard Spencer, and was an online publication long before it became a popular term but even today there’s an altright.com run by people who call themselves that and so on. There is no such history or constituency for alt left, it’s a term invented by right wingers to counter the negative attention the alt right has drawn to itself. A false equivalence based in bullshit terminology. This too has been discussed ad nauseum in past threads and yet here Andy is repeating this same tired nonsense yet again.

    It’s also been conclusively shown in a past thread that the hype about Soros allegedly funding antifa is vastly overblown. Soros foundation gives money to a lot of groups and one of them indirectly gave money to another group which organized a rally where black bloc showed up and rioted, which is not the same thing as Soros masterminding and approving of the violence.

    Andy is trafficking in the same bullshit reich wing conspiracy nonsense as Ramsey, Invictus, et al. The same crap the alt reich is spreading online 24/7, including about me.

  9. paulie

    The idea that I support anyone waving communist flags is ludicrous. I escaped the USSR when I was a small kid with my parents, and many of my extended family were killed by them. You know damn well I don’t support any such organizations.

  10. Anthony Dlugos

    What kind of Grade A reject from the Eighties do you have to be to be worried about “fighting commies?’

  11. Thomas L. Knapp

    Well, IN the ’80s, I assumed that my future was going to look like Red Storm Rising and that I’d die in Greenland or Iceland after the Soviets came pouring across the Fulda Gap, etc. Then, surprise, the Berlin Wall comes down and Saddam gets frisky instead. Eastern Bloc communism is pretty much dead everywhere except in the GOP.

  12. paulie

    Eastern Bloc communism is pretty much dead everywhere except in the GOP.

    North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela come to mind. China seems to have abandoned communism for authoritarian mixed economy. I think Vietnam has too, at least to some extent. Putinism is dragging Russia back to authoritarian mixed economy and financing the rise of populist-nationalist authoritarian mixed economy movements throughout Europe, in the US NSGOP, etc. If we are to count Drumpfism as eastern bloc communism it would be unfair to not count its European and Russian equivalents as the same.

    The Berlin Wall coming down shouldn’t have been as much of a surprise as it was, since central planning is so inept at managing an economy and people find ways to route around the state’s intended monopoly both on information and on goods and services over time. That’s why most commies nowadays prefer a mixed economy combined with authoritarianism and the pretense of free elections and competitive press, whether it be in China, Russia, Europe, the US, or anywhere else. Appealing to economic, ethnic and racial nationalism seems to give it a good deal of support among the sheared classes. It also has the added benefit for them of allowing the ruling elite to enjoy wealth openly rather than covertly. Fascism, not communism, has turned out to be the bigger long term threat to freedom.

    And fascist entryism, not communist entryism, is likewise the bigger long term threat to the LP and libertarian movement as well. Decades of conservative fusionism among libertarians, combined with a right wing that is increasingly authoritarian populist nationalist on the national and international scene, has left us ripe for such fascist entryism. When we continue to recruit primarily from the right, use terminology created to make libertarianism more appealing to right wingers, bring in people whose information bubble is a combination of mainstream right and far right sources, all at the same time as both are becoming increasingly fascist, what else can we expect? Particularly with the whole ugly history of the paleo “libertarian” movement to legitimize their claim to being libertarians in their own minds.

    It’s no wonder that we are attracting the type of people whose main frustration is that the NSGOP is not becoming drumpfified fast enough and that even Dear Leader himself isn’t getting his agenda enacted fast enough. I’m not sure whether, when or how this can be effectively counteracted. It is part of my general disgust with everything nowadays. There doesn’t seem to be an exit.

    Fascism is more economically sustainable than communism since it retains relatively more elements of a competitive economy. It’s not ultimately sustainable because its rhetoric of military worship, trade wars, and ethnic/national hatred over time leads to full scale war, which is as ruinous for an economy as anything can be, and in the nuclear age is also an existential threat to life itself.

    If libertarianism can’t stand opposed to this authoritarian slide, what can?

  13. Thomas L. Knapp

    “North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela come to mind.”

    Maybe, at a verrrrrrrrrrrry long stretch, North Korea. By “eastern bloc” I mean the Soviet Union and eastern Europe. A lot of people refer to North Korea as “Stalinist,” but it’s really just the old divine emperor monarchy and its communist trappings presumably draw a lot on China’s next door too. Cuba began diverging from the Soviet bloc in the ’80s, and Venezuela is pretty much a Cuba clone.

  14. Thomas L. Knapp

    “If we are to count Drumpfism as eastern bloc communism”

    Who said anything about Drumpfism? The GOP has been doing its damnedest to turn the US into East Germany for the better part of two decades now — the Republican Revolution/Contract With America guff was going by the wayside even before 9/11. Trump is just a temporary hurricane that formed over the warm ocean of the GOP and sucked up its worst energy.

  15. paulie

    Maybe, at a verrrrrrrrrrrry long stretch, North Korea. By “eastern bloc” I mean the Soviet Union and eastern Europe. A lot of people refer to North Korea as “Stalinist,” but it’s really just the old divine emperor monarchy and its communist trappings presumably draw a lot on China’s next door too. Cuba began diverging from the Soviet bloc in the ’80s, and Venezuela is pretty much a Cuba clone.

    North Korea is certainly a divine emperor monarchy, but the total state control over the legal economy is Stalinist, not feudalist. It’s a sort of mix of the two. In economic terms I’m not aware of any old divine emperor monarchies that totally monopolized the economy in the sort of way the North Korean state does outside of black markets. Are you?

    Cuba and Venezuela certainly have some differences with East European style communism, which itself provided a variety of variants of state socialism in practice, but they are both further along the curve of state command and control economies as well as civil/political authoritarianism than the rest of Latin America, anything in Europe, etc.

    While I myself see some parallels between NSGOP ideology and Sovietism – it was remarkable how seamlessly my grandfather made the transition from CPUSSR to NSGOPUSA Reaganism – I’m wondering in what sense you think they are more communist than Cuba, Venezuela or even possibly North Korea today.

  16. paulie

    Who said anything about Drumpfism? The GOP has been doing its damnedest to turn the US into East Germany for the better part of two decades now — the Republican Revolution/Contract With America guff was going by the wayside even before 9/11. Trump is just a temporary hurricane that formed over the warm ocean of the GOP and sucked up its worst energy.

    They are moving us in that direction, but we still have a long way to go (having actually lived in the USSR, albeit as a small child, I can remember the difference). They are far from the only ones taking countries in such a direction, though. The Putinists in Russia are doing the same in that country and are further along. They are financing a whole gaggle of similar movements which are on the rise throughout Europe, most recently in Sweden. The Muslim world has no shortage of authoritarian movements. Africa, East Asia and Latin America have plenty of them as well. There are equivalents in Australia and virtually anywhere else I can think of.

    The political left in the US and Europe is also becoming increasingly state socialist in economic terms and intolerant of dissent in cultural terms.

    So, while I do see the US right wing as taking us in an authoritarian direction, the notion that this is in any way unique to the US or even to the right wing seems hard to believe. More communist than North Korea? How?

  17. Thomas L. Knapp

    “I’m wondering in what sense you think they are more communist than Cuba, Venezuela or even possibly North Korea today.”

    Not less communist. Less colorful, in terms of perception. The GOP is the drab, gray, tenement-style communism of East Berlin in a LeCarre novel, not the towering-statue “Kim Il Sung marched out of his mother’s patriotic vagina already speaking six languages” communism of the Kims’ North Korea or the ranting in fatigues while chewing on a cigar communism of Castro’s Cuba.

  18. paulie

    I don’t think Trump is drab. I could see him commissioning towering statues or ranting in fatigues. But that’s a separate question from whether communism is dead or where it does or does not exist today.

  19. Thomas L. Knapp

    “I don’t think Trump is drab. ”

    And as I said before, I wasn’t talking about Trump. I was talking about the GOP. As a party in both presentation and policy, they remind me of old footage of Leonid Brezhnev getting into his limousine on a slushy street where even the red flags look gray and there are people lining up in the background waiting to hopefully buy toilet paper.

  20. paulie

    You have a point there. Looking at the NSGOP side on the Judiciary Committee I get that drab feeling.

    But that’s a long way from saying that communism is truly dead. It’s not the cold war anymore, but it’s still quite undead IMO.

  21. Thomas L. Knapp

    I don’t think that communism is ever going to die. It’s been around for thousands of years (for example, the early Christians were communists until Paul paganized the religion — “And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need”) and it’s going to keep recurring.

    But the only really compelling example of a Soviet-style Marxist-Leninist bureaucratic deformation state I’m seeing at present is the US under GOP (or “centrist” Democrat) control.

    The “progressive left” in the US occasionally name-checks Marx, but it doesn’t look like many of them actually read him. They’re basically Fabians, not Marxists.

    Libertarian socialists as such make up a small fraction of the libertarian left and the LP, and they hearken back to Proudhon, Tucker, et al., not Marx (although Matt Kuehnel did seem to enjoy wearing a t-shirt with Marx on it at the national convention to torment the likes of Joshua Smith).

    To me, the main value of the Libertarian Socialist Caucus et al. is that they’re calling attention to some foundational problems with the libertarian movement’s identification of itself with actually existing capitalism and with a system of property claims based on theft.

    I know libertarians who will raise holy hell about the theft of land by Israel from Palestinian Arabs, all while waving around the titles to their homes built on land homesteaded by people who were violently expropriated by the very government which then issued that title, as if that title constituted any more legitimate a property claim than the same title an Israeli squatter is waving around in Jerusalem — and demanding that anyone who questions that title be treated as not a libertarian or as holding ideas incompatible with those of the LP.

    I don’t claim to have any idea how to unwind the chain of theft involved, be it in Ramallah or Roanoke, but neither do I agree that “libertarianism” requires recognition of property as rightfully owned and conveyed now just because it was originally stolen earlier than Date X.

  22. paulie

    Good points; however,

    But the only really compelling example of a Soviet-style Marxist-Leninist bureaucratic deformation state I’m seeing at present is the US under GOP (or “centrist” Democrat) control.

    I don’t see by what standard the US regime is closer to a Marxist one than many of the other regimes around the world.

  23. paulie

    Ok, how is the US regime more of a Marxist-Leninist bureaucratic deformation than those of the EU and its various member states, Russia, China, etc?

  24. Thomas L. Knapp

    I’ve explained it about 50 fucking times already, so I’m going to stop it at 51 and you can figure it out or not:

    APPEARANCE.

    Boring gray drab bureaucratic national security state instead of pantywaist social democracy or over-the-top Broadway production of the glories of the revolutionary deity. Eric Honecker or Enver Hoxha rather than Kim Il Sung or Fidel Castro.

    The GOP/centrist Democratic Uni-Party is the only ruling coalition I’m aware of that’s still trying to make the country it runs look like eastern Europe circa 1975.

  25. paulie

    So every other regime in the world, or almost all of them, have more bold and exciting leaders? I’ll have to take your word for that. I’m not sure what that has to do with the original point, but OK.

  26. Thomas L. Knapp

    I’m not the one who digressed into this one tiny piece of what I wrote, you are. And if you still don’t understand what I’m saying, as you clearly still don’t, then I guess I need to work on my writing skills.

    Let me try it one different way:

    The “democratic socialists” in America want to turn America into what they think the Nordic Model looks like — a vibrant welfare state.

    The “conservative Republicans” and “centrist Democrats” have been doing their damnedest (more so since 9/11) to turn America into what I think East Berlin circa 1980 looked like — a drab/declining national security state.

    I’m sure there are defects in my perception of East Berlin circa 1980, especially since I was never actually there, since it’s been years since I even saw contemporary video, and since I read too much LeCarre.

    I’m equally certain that the “democratic socialists” have a skewed vision of just how marvelous (and how socialist) the Nordic Model countries are.

    But those are the perceptions as I, um, perceive them. Other than name-checking Cuba on health care, the “democratic socialists” I know don’t pine for Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., and don’t for a minute believe that their plans could end up looking like that, or like e.g. Venezuela.

  27. DJ

    TK: The GOP/centrist Democratic Uni-Party is the only ruling coalition I’m aware of that’s still trying to make the country it runs look like eastern Europe circa 1975.

    Me: Glad you finally admitted that Democrats are no different, though I don’t think you went far enough- they, just like Republicans, have had their chance to right the ship and haven’t. The reason being there is no difference inside the beltway other than the rhetoric they use to sell the same crap- control.

    You also brought up religion as an illustration of/for communism- it too is a tool to control. In fact it seems to me (I was just thinking this earlier today) politics has become a religion. There are zealots on BOTH (not shouting paulie, just emphasizing) sides, publicly and privately- there are “leaders”, publicly and privately, there are followers publicly and privately- bottom line IMO; some people feel the need to control others have the need to follow and be controlled- education is the only way to change it. But, adults don’t like being told they need to be educated, especially of they have a sheep skin on their wall and who can blame them an education in a school of higher indoctrination costs a lot of money- indoctrination being key which was implemented by US Leftist decades ago and not surprisingly not ended by either side- those elected are a part of that indoctrination and since most of them are educated in the law we have to realize they paid others to teach them to lie legally and were rewarded with a sheep skin for their wall- the founders were great historians but I don’t think they were good at envisioning since we the people have have not met their expectations which should have been a part of their history studies- of course we have the benefit of 200+ years of immediate evidence to prove our allegations against D and R politicians-

    I came to a conclusion several years ago, and though I hate to use it since it is fatalist, at times it seems appropriate. This is one of those times: When havoc is created, chaos ensues and catastrophe is inevitable, there is no assigned time line. However, if the world lasts our descendants could arguably begin the US time line at 1776. The argument being; we couldn’t govern ourselves through freedom so we reverted to the past of being controlled. And BOTH sides are guilty as sin in the continuation of decline from freedom- another conclusion I cam to several years ago: Same destination, different rate of descent.

    Of course I am the width of a period to the right of US leftist so color me alt-reich and feel free to ignore my rambling- that’ll make it all better.

  28. DJ

    TK: the “democratic socialists” I know don’t pine for Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc., and don’t for a minute believe that their plans could end up looking like that, or like e.g. Venezuela.

    Me: Introduce them to unintended consequences of centralized control.

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