Tom Woods interviews Joshua Smith: The Present and Future of the LP (and the Problem of “Libertarian Socialism”)

52 thoughts on “Tom Woods interviews Joshua Smith: The Present and Future of the LP (and the Problem of “Libertarian Socialism”)

  1. Andy

    “Anthony Dlugos
    September 19, 2018 at 15:54
    Isn’t Smith the abusive child support deadbeat who consorts with white nationalists?”

    He’s one of your At Large Representative on the LNC right now, so why don’t you call him and ask?

  2. William T. Forrest

    “Anthony Dlugos
    September 19, 2018 at 15:54
    Isn’t Smith the abusive child support deadbeat who consorts with white nationalists?”

    One and the same.

  3. Andy

    “William T. Forrest
    September 19, 2018 at 22:35
    He’s also known to lie frequently.”

    William T. Forrest, you seem to have a lot of interest in and knowledge about the Libertarian Party? I have been involved in the LP since 1996, and I have been posting on IPR since it started in 2008, and prior to IPR, I posted at the sites that were forerunners to IPR in Third Party Watch, Last Free Voice, and Hammer of Truth. I have been to numerous Libertarian Party meetings and conventions all over the country, and I have also done some Libertarian Party fundraising, and have seen lots of names on fundraising lists. I don’t believe that I have ever heard of you.

    Since you are new to IPR, how about telling us a little bit about yourself? Which state LP are you a members of? How long have you been an LP member? Anything else you want to tell us so we can get to know you better?

  4. Andy

    “William T. Forrest
    September 19, 2018 at 23:23
    How about no. None of your business. Deal with it.”

    LOL! It looks like I have outed another troll posting under a fake name.

    Tell us, are you also going in drag so you can play the poster known as “Gina”?

    LOL! It would not surprise me if you are one of the IPR regulars, quite possibly somebody who is set up as an article poster here.

    I did a search for a William T. Forrest in the Libertarian Party, and the only thing that popped up were these posts here on IPR.

    There sure are lots of fakes who have posted at IPR over the years.

  5. William T. Forrest

    The only one you have outed as a troll is yourself. We’ve already been over this today. You also outed yourself as a racist.

  6. Andy

    “William T. Forrest
    September 19, 2018 at 23:41
    The only one you have outed as a troll is yourself. We’ve already been over this today. You also outed yourself as a racist.”

    Why don’t you come out from hiding if you are going to hurl accusations at people?

  7. William T. Forrest

    No accusations, only facts. Your obsession is boring. You would be better off with people who think more like you some place like 4chan or stormfront.

  8. Andy

    “William T. Forrest
    September 19, 2018 at 23:59
    No accusations, only facts. Your obsession is boring. You would be better off with people who think more like you some place like 4chan or stormfront.”

    How would you know being that you are new here?

    You sure do act like you know a lot for newbie to IPR. Some mysterious guy whose name I can’t find on any list of LP members. I did a search for your name in a data base of LP donors and you did not come up.

    You are just some troll who is here to hurl accusations and start trouble, all while hiding behind a fake name, and it would not surprise me if you are using an IP anonymizer.

  9. William T. Forrest

    Andreww

    Your lines are boring and predictable. You need a new playbook. The one you keep retreading has that not so fresh feeling. You really should think about taking your act on the road. Like maybe to stormfront. Seriously. I know I’m not the only one who is thinking it would suit your current interests better. Take Joshua Smith and Tom Woods with you, although they are most likely already there.

  10. Andy

    “Paul
    September 20, 2018 at 00:41
    And here Andy goes again, bullying anyone who might dare challenge his narrative.”

    So asking a troll to come out from hiding behind their fake name where they hurl accusations at people is now classified as bullying?

  11. William T. Forrest

    “And here Andy goes again, bullying anyone who might dare challenge his narrative.”

    I’m not the least bit intimidated. Being called a troll by an actual troll is really special. I’m so glad Andy cares so much about me. He’s like a cross between a keystone kop and a KKK kleagle.

  12. William T. Forrest

    If I didn’t know Andrew’s last name my first guess would be that it is Anglin. Based only on his own words.

  13. Andy

    “William T. Forrest
    September 20, 2018 at 00:45
    Andreww

    Your lines are boring and predictable. You need a new playbook. The one you keep retreading has that not so fresh feeling. You really should think about taking your act on the road. Like maybe to stormfront. Seriously. I know I’m not the only one who is thinking it would suit your current interests better. Take Joshua Smith and Tom Woods with you, although they are most likely already there.”

    How would you know anything about me or my “act” being that you are new here? I don’t know anyone named William T. Forrest. I have never hung out with anyone named William T. Forrest. I can’t even find any record of a William T. Forrest, with the exception of an obituary I found from somebody who died a few years ago.

    You sound to me like a piece of shit troll who hides behind a fake name while throwing out accusations against good people like Tom Woods and Josh Smith.

    Josh Smith’s father is actually Jewish, by the way, but you probably already knew that. It would not surprise me if you are one of the assholes in the LP who pulls this bullshit. You are probably signed up as a poster here and I’ve probably met you in person, but you lack the courage to spread your bullshit under your real name.

    Regardless of whether you are a troll that we know, or one that we do not know, the point remains that you are a coward who hides behind fake names while hurling trying to smear others. This makes you a pathetic and disgraceful person.

  14. Andy

    “William T. Forrest
    September 20, 2018 at 00:57
    I’d hit the snooze button, but you’re already a broken clock.”

    Do the world a favor and hit the snooze button on your worthless life permanently.

  15. William T. Forrest

    Awww. You really are special. I think you were probably diddled by a priest when you were a young boy. That would explain a lot.

  16. Andy

    I thought you were hitting the snooze button, you cowardly piece of shit.

    You may have given yourself away in one of your comments. I suspect “William T. Forrest” of being an IPR regular and an article poster using a fake name.

  17. William T. Forrest

    I suspect you are the only one who cares. And you should learn to read better. Don’t they teach reading comprehension at Kleagle Kamp?

  18. Paul

    One of the things that Josh and his supporters don’t seem to understand is:
    The allegations against him are both significant and appear to be well founded, regardless of how irrelevant they want them to be, or how untrue they think they are. If the Libertarian Party or Josh Smith had any sort of real chance at power, the media would (rightly) chew up Smith, and the LP for having such low standards.

    If he were serious about the party or electoral success, he would quietly work from the background instead of trying to blast from the forefront.

  19. Andy

    If you had any balls, you wouldn’t hide behimd a fake name. Why don’t you come back in your drag queen outfit as “Gina” next time? What other character do you play here?

  20. William T. Forrest

    “One of the things that Josh and his supporters don’t seem to understand is:
    The allegations against him are both significant and appear to be well founded”

    Josh understands it full well. Apparently he does not care.

  21. Thomas L. Knapp

    “If you had any balls, you wouldn’t hide behimd a fake name.”

    And if you had any balls, you would post under YOUR real name instead of just your first name.

    But you prefer to hide who you are here, presumably so your hate-trolling COINTELPRO stuff here doesn’t get connected to your real identity via e.g. Google and cost you mercenary petitioning jobs with organizations that aren’t as tolerant of bullshit as the LP.

    Why should anyone else give a rat’s ass about what you think on the subject of using real names, hypocrite?

  22. Anthony Dlugos

    “He’s one of your At Large Representative on the LNC right now, so why don’t you call him and ask?”

    I would, but I have a feeling he’s busy doing superhero things like “fighting commies” with the Mises X-Men.

    I read about it in my Captain America comic book.

  23. Shawn Levasseur

    The problem with “Libertarian Socialism” is that it’s being treated as more of a threat than it is.

    Being booed by a vast majority of the convention during the national convention might have been a hint of that.

    I suspect that Josh Smith thinks he lost out on the chairmanship of the LP because of the LibSoc candidate’s trolling of Smith. It played a role, but only in so far as it helped highlight that Nick Sarwark was the adult in the room.

    I could be wrong on that, but that is how this is coming across. Not quite an Ahab-like obsession, but getting there.

    It’s my assessment that if left to their own devices, the LibSocs will eventually grow up into more conventional left-libertarians, or leave the party on their own. Any negative results will likely come from feeding the trolls amongst them.

  24. Anthony Dlugos

    “The allegations against him are both significant and appear to be well founded, regardless of how irrelevant they want them to be, or how untrue they think they are. If the Libertarian Party or Josh Smith had any sort of real chance at power, the media would (rightly) chew up Smith, and the LP for having such low standards.

    If he were serious about the party or electoral success, he would quietly work from the background instead of trying to blast from the forefront.”

    100% correct.

    Which tells you that he’s not serious about the party or electoral success. Like the dope Vohra, these are self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing missions.

    Josh Smith isn’t the problem, however. He’s just a symptom. The problem is the dogmatic utopianism baked into the LP, the movement, and its platform. Such an orientation is sure to draw in people with major dysfunction in their lives. Such f*ck-ups see an essentially enabling organization with a sizable faction tacitly willing to overlook the hard tasks of personal achievement/improvement and making amends for past wrongdoings if you simply confess the dogma. Don’t go get a law degree, just memorize the NAP.

    Is it any wonder that rumors abounded about Smith being repeatedly drunk at various state convention in the run up to national convention in New Orleans? Why fix your own life if the party/movement you are part of doesn’t insist you do so before assuming a leadership position? Why deal with your issues when the markers in life that bespeak of a well-adjusted person()while maybe not dispositive) are ignored or derided as “shiny badges?” Why is Woods interviewing someone with current, unresolved credible domestic violence allegations against them, as if such a person should have anything of value to say?

  25. paulie

    I would, but I have a feeling he’s busy doing superhero things like “fighting commies” with the Mises X-Men.

    I read about it in my Captain America comic book.

    LOL

  26. paulie

    My guess is that last comment wasn’t actually Andy.

    They all seem to be posted from the same source, so I’m pretty sure it is.

  27. Seebeck

    I think both Andy and Mr. Forrest need a time-out.

    Andy, just because YOU have never heard of him doesn’t mean he’s using a fake name, and it certainly doesn’t make him a troll. He is also perfectly fine to not extrapolate about himself as well.

    Mr. Forrest, while Andy is more abrasive than 80-grit sandpaper, there is no need to escalate things and play directly into the mess.

    Both of you, calm down and either take it outside or let it go.

  28. Andy

    “Seebeck
    September 20, 2018 at 09:38
    I think both Andy and Mr. Forrest need a time-out.

    Andy, just because YOU have never heard of him doesn’t mean he’s using a fake name, and it certainly doesn’t make him a troll. He is also perfectly fine to not extrapolate about himself as well.

    Mr. Forrest, while Andy is more abrasive than 80-grit sandpaper, there is no need to escalate things and play directly into the mess.

    Both of you, calm down and either take it outside or let it go.”

    Seebeck, there has been a long history here on IPR of trolls posting under fake names. Trolls here have also sent out death threats in the past. I don’t know if whoever is playing the role of “William T. Forrest” is the same person who has sent out death threats or not, but I do think that “William T. Forrest” is a troll posting under a fake name. I also suspect that “William T. Forrest” is being played by a regular IPR poster, possibly the same person who plays the role of “Gina” and some other characters here.

  29. William T. Forrest

    Holy crap. Is Andy about to blow a gasket or what? Stand back everyone…this could get messy.

  30. Chuck Moulton

    Paulie and Warren,

    Now Andy is graduating from driving away people with his horrid rascist immigration rants to just attacking people for their names. When is IPR going to stop his nonsense and let people talk in peace?

  31. paulie

    Warren does not always read IPR comments so I suggest emailing him if you have questions for him. I can’t make objective decisions about Andy because we were friends and business/travel partners for years; I got him to start commenting on political blogs online, including this one, and signed him up to post articles here more recently. Warren often defers practical decisions about IPR policies to me. However, since I’m “too close to the story” in this case, I don’t want to be the decision maker on this one; Warren can consult with the other readers and writers of IPR on this one.

    I will say that anyone else posting many of the comments Andy posts here on a regular basis would be tossed out on their ear with no second thought as an obvious racist troll.

    The only reason Andy hasn’t been thrown out in a similar fashion yet is because he has been an active IPR participant for over a decade, did use to contribute positively to the discussion at times, has done a lot of real world work for the LP and the anti-duopoly cause in general, puts his name to his opinions (not that I agree with him that everyone should have to, because I don’t), and has helped me out personally a lot over the years. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be, given the type of garbage he posts constantly now. I just have to leave that decision to others. I suggest emailing Warren if you want to share your opinion with him on this or other matters.

  32. Andy

    “Chuck Moulton
    September 20, 2018 at 17:41
    Paulie and Warren,

    Now Andy is graduating from driving away people with his horrid rascist immigration rants to just attacking people for their names. When is IPR going to stop his nonsense and let people talk in peace?”

    Hey Chuck, I can make a two hour drive to Philadelphia if you’d like to debate me in person. I will bring a video camera with me.

    How have a made any “horrible racist immigration” rants? I have focused on political issues, statistics, and property rights. I have no dislike for anyone based on race or ethnicity or national origin. Just because I’ve said that some foreign people ought to be rejected as immigrants, it does not mean that I necessarily dislike them, nor does it mean that I dislike everyone in their group, nor does it mean that I think that the US government should engage in military aggression against the countries where they are from, nor do I believe in ruling over or oppressing anyone.

    Chuck, I challenge you to prove any point that I have made is not accurate. Notice how Chuck never does that. Chuck calls names but notice how Chuck never refutes any facts That’s called not have an argument.

    I have no respect for people who call names without making arguments.

    I have mentioned this on here before multiple times, and maybe you don’t give a shit, but some asshole troll here that posts under a fake names and IP anonymizers sent out death threats here. Some of the death threats were sent to the police in Arkansas after I got arrested for petitioning at a state univeristy and I was held in jail longer because of this, and my bail was increased to $5,000 because of this, and I was tied up with this false charge, as well as 2 other false charges (there were actually three more false charges, but the false trespassing charge was thrown out before I got out of jail). It took about 1 year and 6 months to get the false charges thrown out.

    I still have not been able to get any information from the police about their investigation into the death threats. I may have to sue them to get the information.

    Maybe you never sat in jail. Maybe you never had false criminal charges put against you. Maybe you never had anyone make death threats against you over the internet. Maybe you never had anyone send out death threats to the police under your name using an email address that is not yours and an IP anonymizer.

    Perhaps you’ve never been through anything like this, but if you had, maybe you’d be a bit more upset over shit talking assholes online who hide behind fake names and IP anonymizers.

  33. Andy

    It sounds to me like Chuck is like one of those leftists who support free speech, so long as it is speech that they deem to be “politically correct,” but who then calls for suppression of speech if it upsets their leftist world view, which means that they don’t really support free speech.

  34. Andy

    Here’s a big irony. Chuck keeps throwing out these “racist” accusations at me, as if he’s making an argument, which is not, and which he has yet to do, but in reality, I’d be willing to bet money that I’ve done a hell of a lot more Libertarian outreach to people who are black, Hispanic, Asian, etc…, than he has.

    Tell us Chuck, how many predominantly black neighborhoods have you gone into to do libertarian outreach? How many predominantly Hispanic neighborhoods have you gone into to do libertarian outreach? How many predominantly Asian neighborhoods have you gone into to do libertarian outreach?

    How many people who are black, or Hispanic, or Asian, have you gotten to register to vote under the Libertarian Party’s banner? How many have you gotten to sign up to be on the Libertarian Party’s email list? How many have you gotten to join the Libertarian Party?

    I will bet $1,000 right now, that I have done a hell of a lot more of all of the above than Chuck Moulton has.

  35. Andy

    I’m such a horribly “racist” guy according to Chuck Moulton, that I hung out with and interviewed Eric July at Anarchapulco.

    Interview with Eric July (of Backwordz) at Anarchapulco, 2/18/18

  36. Andy

    I’m such a horrible “racist” according to Chuck Moulton, and I hung out with and interviewed That Guy T, also known as Taleed Brown, and Anarchapulco.

    Interview with That Guy T (aka-Taleed Brown) at Anarchapulco, 2/18/18 Part 1

  37. Andy

    I’m such a terrible “racist” according to Chuck Moulton, that I hung out with That Guy T, also known as Taleed Brown, at Anarchapulco, and my interview with him went over an hour.

    Interview with That Guy T (aka-Taleed Brown) at Anarchapulco, 2/18/18 Part 2

  38. Andy

    That Guy T agrees with me on what the proper application of borders and immigration from a libertarian perspective. So I suppose Chuck will call T nasty names too.

    Hey, how about we invite That Guy T to a Libertarian Party convention, to debate Chuck Moulton? Oh man, I would love to see this. The debate must be put on video and posted to YouTube.

    Open vs Closed Borders | What’s the Libertarian Position?

  39. Anthony Dlugos

    “I suggest emailing Warren if you want to share your opinion with him on this or other matters.”

    Of course, this is not my site, and I would defer to ownership if they would decide to block Andy.

    Personally, I find it quite easy to ignore him/skip over his diatribes…or engage him…as I desire.

    Additionally, I believe in what I would call the “Howard Stern Strategy,” as in he always believed in putting racists and other wingnuts on the radio, as letting them speak their hate combined with public ridicule is the best disinfectant.

    That being said, Howard made one exception to this rule: he stopped putting the hatemongers from the Westboro Baptist Church on, because he came to the conclusion they were utterly impervious to shame, so no amount of ridicule would stop them or slow them down. Thus, he became an enabler allowing them to spread their hate.

    Take that for what its worth.

  40. wredlich

    I have blocked Andy. I would have done so earlier but I didn’t feel there was a consensus and I didn’t want to put my own views ahead of the community.

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