When asked about high energy prices, Kentucky Libertarian for U.S. Senate Sonny Landham said we should release oil from the strategic oil reserve, drill in areas of the U.S. currently off-limits, and try to persuade OPEC to cut the price of oil. And if that doesn’t work, Mr. Landham said we should use military force to steal the oil. More specifically, he said: “We should go and bomb those camel-dung shovelers back into the sand.” Apparently thinking his racial epithet clever, he reiterated: “I said ‘camel-dung shovelers.’ Make sure you put that in the newspaper.”
Later asked about this on The Weekly Filibuster, — a radio show that works to inform young voters of the week’s political news — Landham asked if Arabs would prefer to be called “camel jockeys.”
Landham further defended his racist statements: “I’m a pro-American all the way. The Arabs, the camel dung-shovelers, the camel jockeys, whichever you wanna call ’em, are terrorists. And they are doing a terrorist act on this country with the high gas prices. They’re about to wreck this economy, not only our economy, but the world economy. Now, when you talk to people, you don’t talk in PC terms. PC does not get the attention of the people.”
When taking a call from an Arab-American woman, Landham said he didn’t care what she thought, his interest was in American citizens. The lady told him that she was an American citizen, and Landham said he didn’t believe her.
Landham also blames the U.S. dollar’s decline on high oil prices, rather than blaming both on the Federal Reserve’s inflationary monetary policies.
Landham said the greatest threat to America was “not being industrialized.” He said we need to get back to the days of Jimmy Hoffa and Eugene Debs. He came out strongly against international trade and in favor of complete autarky. When it was pointed out to him that Hoffa and Debs are not typically libertarian heroes, Landham said this: “These men built America because they stood up for the working man. They didn’t allow outsourcing of jobs. Eugene Debs with the wobblies shut down Seattle for a week. Jimmy Hoffa today would shut down every truck in this country until they reduced the price of gas and diesel. John L. Lewis would never have allowed this country, uh, to subvert the mining and use of coal.”
Landham’s comments pulled Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr into the mud, as well, as he was asked “Do you think that Bob Barr agrees that the Arab race consists of camel dung-shovelers?” Landham said he could not speak on behalf of Bob Barr.
This is the image the Libertarian Party of Kentucky is putting forward as “libertarianism” to young people and the public at large.
And he managed to insult the Green Party, as well.
Below is the full transcript of his appearance on The Weekly Filibuster.
Ben Goodman: And joining us now is the Libertarian Nominee for the United States Senate in Kentucky, Sonny Landham. Good evening Mr. Landham.
Sonny Landham: Good evenin’, Ben. How are ya’?
Ben Goodman: Well, great! And…and…how are you? Thank you for joining us.
Sonny Landham: Well I appreciate you and the rest of the panel having me on tonight.
Ben Goodman: Well, Mr. Landham, I guess we should just jump right in, you’re under fire this week for…uh…calling the entire Arab race “camel dung-shovelers.”
Sonny Landham: Would they have appreciated it better if I called them “camel jockeys?”
Ben Goodman: Well, how do you justify those statements?
Sonny Landham: Look. Now, I’m an American. I’m a pro-American all the way. The Arabs, the camel dung-shovelers, the camel jockeys, whichever you wanna call ’em, are terrorist. And they are doing a terrorist act on this country with the high gas prices. They’re about to wreck this economy, not only our economy, but the world economy.
Now, when you talk to people, you don’t talk in PC terms. PC does not get the attention of the people.
Ben Goodman: Tom Dec.
Sonny Landham: I beg your pardon.
Tom Dec: Oh, sorry. This is Tom Dec, one of the panelists on the show. I just have a follow up to that. Are you aware where…what single country gives us the majority of our oil?
Sonny Landham: Saudi Arabia. Oh, you mean where do we get most of our oil right now?
Tom Dec: Well, like, which single country gives us the most oil? Or at least sells us the most oil, rather.
Sonny Landham: We get from, we get a lot from, we’re getting a lot from Mexico.
Tom Dec: Well it actually turns out that we get about, I don’t know the exact figures, but uh, Canada actually, uh, sells us, is the single country that sells us the majority of our oil. At least from…Canada is the single biggest contributor to our oil supply.
Sonny Landham: Yes, but the Arabs are holding back on oil production which is raising the price and giving…it’s not one whole thing out of this, but the Arabs are setting the price, the American dollar is going down on the consumption of oil and the war in Iraq. Therefore, therefore, everybody else is profiteering off of the oil. See, people can only pump so much. We’ve come up with a plan which is, if you’ve been to the website, which is switch and drill. And that is, we have to drill everywhere that we can, but also Bush needs to sign the executive order to open up the federal oil reserve which can pump, I believe 4.4 million barrels a day, 13 days after he signs that order. Also, we should be taking, uh, half of what Iraq has produced, which is a million and a half barrels a day, we should be taking 750,000 barrels of oil a day from them at the rate of forty dollars a barrel to repay the trillion plus debt that they have towards us over the war and the rebuilding of their infrastructure while our infrastructure, uh, deteriorates badly.
Ben Goodman: Matt Cavedon.
Matt Cavedon: I’m wondering if you’re criticisms are directed at all Arabs, all Muslims, is Islam itself opposed to America? I mean, our current ambassador to the United Nations under President Bush is Zalmay Khalilzad, he’s a devout Muslim. Who exactly–
Sonny Landham: What exactly do you want me to say, praise the Muslims? I will not say that. There is, Matt, it is Matt, right?
Matt Cavedon: Yes, sir.
Sonny Landham: Matt, there has been a holy war going for thousands, and thousands, and thousands of years. Long before we were ever thought of. The Muslims look at infidels. Anyone who is not a Muslim is an infidel. Whether you are a Jew, a Bhuddist, a Catholic, a Protestant, or an atheist, you are still an infidel. They will lie to you, and they will not tell you the truth because it is not a sin for a Muslim to lie to a infidel.
Matt Cavedon: I have some very close friends who I’ve had deep religious conversations on, and we do have some very legitimate disagreements, and we do have some very different perceptions of how things areâ€“
Sonny Landham: That’s a very, that’s a very uh, that’s a very bigoted statement when you say “I have some friends that are.”
Matt Cavedon: Okay. I have some friends that believe in the Islamic faith and have made a profession of faith, to that extent, I have a friend from the middle east who I go to college with, and I certainly don’t believe that they view me as an infidel and I certainly don’t do the same for them. What makes you believe that Muslims aloneâ€“
Sonny Landham: If I had my way, I would stop Arabs coming into this country. And I would take all, uh, non citizens of the United States, finger printing them, and having a complete background check before they set foot into this country.
Matt Cavedon: How about Lebanese Christians and Arabs who aren’t Muslims?
Sonny Landham: What did I just say? All people. I said no Arabs into this country. Look, it wasn’t a blonde, blue eyed, fair skin person who flew those planes into the twin towers on 9/11. Wasn’t it those people who murdered about 5,000 of our fellow countrymen in Europe just 50, 60 years ago?
Sonny Landham: Wait a minute, what was that, I did not understand the question.
Matt Cavedon: Wasn’t it blonde haired, blue eyed people who wound up wiping out about 500,000 of our countrymen out in Europe about 60 years ago?
Sonny Landham: Oh, you’re talking about the Germans. The Germans were our enemy. At that time they were our enemy, and I would have felt the same way about the Germans as I feel about the Arabs now. I’m pro-American, baby. This is my country. This is the flag I believe in [coughs]. I don’t wrap myself in the flag and say, “hey, I’m a patriot.” No, I served in the military. I served, uh, thirty-seven months in the United States army. I believe in the flag represents my country, and I believe in America and its citizens. I definitely don’t believe in the politicians that we have in Washington, because most of ’em like Boss Hog talk out of both sides of their mouth, smoke a cigar, whistle dixie, she come down and shake hands with the public every two years or every six years or every four years and the rest of the time they’re reaching out the back door for the payoff. Now that’s why we’re in this fix today. And what people don’t realize is we don’t re-industrialize America now and go back to being a steel economy, and manufacture our own products, that one day soon, other countries will do to us over products we use every day just like the Arabs, whatever you wanna call ’em, are doing to us with oil prices right now.
Ben Goodman: Our number is (347) 205-9993 if you wanna call in. Tom Dec.
Tom Dec: Now, you oppose in Iraq, and, uhâ€“
Sonny Landham: Is this Matt?
Tom Dec: Uh, this is Tom again.
Sonny Landham: Oh, alright, Tom.
Tom Dec: Uh, pretty good, how are you? Uh, um, why do you support bombing the OPEC countries if they don’t turn over oil to us, and how exactly is that a libertarian position?
Sonny Landham: Uh, this, that was not quite what I said. My first statement was, do the steps that we have in the switch and drill, and somebody said, well that’s not my diplomatic way and if that doesn’t work, I said I would bomb those camel dung-shovelers back into the sand, and you’re going to wind up having to do it. Now, I’m pro-Israel all the way. As far as my book goes, Israel can do no wrong, Israel has a right to survive. It’s the camel dung-shovelers that say Israel does not have a right to survive, we don’t recognize Israel. Well, pal, I am for Israel. The biggest thing we ever did was to stop Israel…Israel in the six day war.
Ben Goodman: and we areâ€“
Sonny Landham: Pardon?
Ben Goodman: Go right ahead…
Sonny Landham: In stopping them then, we have the problems that we have today.
Ben Goodman: With our next question is Robert Burack.
Robert Burack: Mr. Landham, just shifting our conversation back to gasoline and energy, do you support offshore drilling as opposed toâ€“
Sonny Landham: Well yes I do. Drilling can…will not deteriorate the ocean. You want to talk about the environment? Well what about these fighter planes that come in and dump their fuel in the ocean before they land on the deck of the planes [sic]. What about these ships that dump their sewage into the ocean? What about these ships that dump their garbage into the ocean? What about these barges that go up and dump their garbage in the ocean from cities?
You wanna talk about the environment? Let’s start with cleaning up the straight pipes in Eastern Kentucky. That’s where raw sewage just flows right into the creeks and rivers of Eastern Kentucky and all I hear is about the environment. Do you know who backs the Green Party? That’s big oil companies that are backing the Green Party just so they can say “well we want to build refineries,” “uh, we wanna drill but we can’t, but the Green Party will stop us. The Green Party is a joke. If oil money took its money away from ’em, we wouldn’t have a Green Party.
I’m not angry, I’m not angry, I’m just passionate about what people ask and what people go through life that have gotten us into this situation today and you can’t go voting frick or frack with the Democrats or the Republicans. If you’re happy with oil prices, if you are happy with high food prices, if you are happy with the scam of corn ethanol, which is jacking up the prices on all our food because it is a staple, then go ahead and vote for the Democrats. Go ahead and vote for the Republicans. And you’ll get the same that you have now, only worse. What do you do? Vote a choice. You have a choice with Bob Barr. That is your statement folks. You wanna send Washington a message? Vote for Bob Barr. You wanna send Washington a message, Kentucky? Vote for Sonny Landham. Vote again Boss Hog McConnell. The pig has been up there too long.
Ben Goodman: We have a caller on the line in area code 240. Caller, you’re on the Weekly Filibuster.
Caller: Hi, Mr. Landham? Is that how you pronounce it.
Sonny Landham: Yes ma’am.
Caller: I’m an Arab woman. Do you hate me?
Sonny Landham: I don’t hate you, honey. I don’t hate anybody.
Caller: Well isn’t that a little contradictory to what you’ve been saying all week?
Sonny Landham: When it comes to foreign policy strategy, I’m a realist and not a liberal.
Caller: So realistically, I shovel camel dung?
Sonny Landham: Honey, I don’tâ€“or ma’am, I don’t know what you do.
Caller: Then how can you say that my people collectively shovel camel dung?
Sonny Landham: It’s not really a big interest to me. My interest is taking care of America and American citizens.
Caller: Yes, but I’m also an American citizen, and I think that what you said is completely politically incorrect. And as I a realistic foreign policy-making man, you should know that.
Sonny Landham: Uh, I don’t believe thatâ€“
Caller: You will never gain anyone’s respect saying that collectively about a people
Sonny Landham: …say what you mean and mean what you say. Now, what’s your next question?
Caller: That’s it, I’m done.
Sonny Landham: Well, good. Have a nice evening.
Ben Goodman: We want to thank the caller for calling in, and with our next question, Sage Koontz.
Sage Koontz: Hello, Mr. Landham. What do you feel are the greatest threats facing America in the next few years?
Sonny Landham: Uh, Sage, would you repeat the question?
Sage Koontz: What do you feel are the greatest threats to America in the next few years.
Sonny Landham: The greatest threat to America is not being industrialized. What we need to do is, back in the days of building America, people like Eugene Debs, Jimmy Hoffa, and John Lewis, who were heads of Unions, they built America, they were an industrial nation. An industrial nation makes it’s own. If we rely on foreign country to manufacture our products, I again say that they will do the same to us with products that we use every day like the Arabs are doing to us with the oil right now. Therefore we have to manufacture our own and be a steel economy. We need good high paying jobs, union jobs, for the American people. The union takes care of your retirement, the union takes care of your health insurance, and they see that the worker gets a fair amount for his labor.
Ben Goodman: Mr. Landham, we know that we only asked you to stay on for a few minutes, but do you mind going on a little longer? We think it’s an interesting conversation.
Sonny Landham: No, I would enjoy doing that, Ben.
Ben Goodman: Excellent. Matt, you have the next question.
Matt Cavedon: You just commended John Lewis and Eugene Debs, who was a socialist party presidential candidate in the early 20th century. These guys aren’t generally viewed as heroes by the libertarian party now, are they?
Sonny Landham: These men built America because they stood up for the working man. They didn’t allow outsourcing of jobs. Eugene Debs with the wobblies shut down Seattle for a week. Jimmy Hoffa today would shut down every truck in this country until they reduced the price of gas and diesel. John L. Lewis would never have allowed this country, uh, to subvert the mining and use of coal. Now that…these are people that stood up for the working man. No one is standing up for the working man today. The Democrats are not standing up for the working man. The Republicans are not standing up for the working man. Pal, it is the unions that built this country. It is the Democrats and the Republicans that have torn this country down.
Ben Goodman: Sage, you have our next question.
Sage Koontz: Hi, Mr. Landham again.
Sonny Landham: Hi, Sage.
Sage Koontz: …changing subjects, how would you propose to outlaw abortion in America, and do you believe that it is a federal or state issue?
Sonny Landham: It is a state issue. It is a state issue, becauâ€“
Ben Goodman: And…our…technical
Sonny Landham: Hello?
Ben Goodman: Hello, are you there?
Sonny Landham: Yeah, this cord, I’m in a motel in Florence, Kentucky, I’m you know, campaigning up here, and the cord just pulled out of the phone. Uh, you asked me about abortion. Abortion is a state issue, not a federal issue, that’s not something for the courts. I believe states rights today, states rights tomorrow, states rights forever. And to do that is what our constitution is built on so that we can have self determination. Now, if a state…and I am are pro-life all the way, but if a state votes for abortion, I can’t stop what some other state does. But it’s not the job of the federal government.
Matt Cavedon: Mr. Landham, you said in a previous interview that abortion is the equivalent of murder.
Sonny Landham: It is.
Matt Cavedon: Do you believe that murder should be left up to the states, or does the federal government have some jurisdiction in that?
Sonny Landham: No…any crime that is committed, the federal government has no criminal jurisdiction by the constitution. Any crime that you commit is a crime the, the, um the injured party…I mean not the injured party, the victim of any crime is the state. All indictments read “the state of” whatever, or the “commonwealth of” whatever versus Joe Doe, it doesn’t say the federal government. There are only three courts in the federal government. That’s equity, maritime, and admiralty. Now, the criminal court for the federal government is only good in Washington, DC, which is federal property, indian lands and territories. But the states have states rights. And we have given up our state’s rights by state politicians being bribed by our own tax money.
Ben Goodman: Robert Burack.
Robert Burack: Yes, I’m just wondering whether you view homosexuality as something that’s immoral?
Sonny Landham: Homosexuality is an individual choice. You know, homosexuality does not rub off. In all the time I spent in Hollywood, I worked with homosexuals, I socialized with homosexualsâ€“it’s not a disease, it doesn’t wear off. It’s and individual choice. And I can’t make choices for individuals. That’s their right.
Ben Goodman: And with our next question, Robert again.
Robert Burack: Sure, I’m just wondering, how would you reform American Indian services, given your background.
Sonny Landham: How would I reform the American Indian services?
Robert Burack: Yeah.
Sonny Landham: There are not supposed to services to the American Indians. Indians have their land, it should be sovereign, and they should govern and take care of themselves. Now, this is something for the reservation, the indian police, and federal law. But, no, the government should get out of the Indian services and let the Indians…you know, the government is withholding money that the Indian tribes should have and they also faltered on payments to tribes. And man, I’ll tell you, this government is into everything, it’s into your life, it’s into your cellphone, it’s into your computer. You know, this PATRIOT act, that’s an act of terrorism on this country. George Bush and his delegation up there, Cheney, they are terrorist, they are traitors to this country. They have foresaken everything this country stands for and economically taken it down the tubes. And Boss Hog McConnell, who’s the minority leader in the Senate, claims to be the closest. I mean, folks, these people should be held for murder. They have mamed and murdered our sons and daughters over a lie about Iraq. The only thing the Iraq war was for was to get BP, Total, Exxon, and Shell back into drilling in Iraq. This was all for his oil buddies.
Ben Goodman: Matt.
Matt Cavedon: Who do you believe would be worse for America, Barack Obama or John McCain as President.
Sonny Landham: [Laugh] [Cough]. Who would be the worst? John McCain. John McCain has some serious mental and personality problems…uh…disorders. John McCain does not know who John McCain is. And I do agree with Wesley Clark. That John McCain, just because he’s, and I respect the man for his service to his country, as a Vietnam veteran, but just because he spent 5 or 6 years in a prison camp does not qualify him to be president of the United States. John McCain can’t decide whether he’s a Democrat or a Republican, or…I don’t know what he is, and he doesn’t know. And he changes every time he turns around. The only thing that Barack Obama has done is he has come out and said what the people want to hear. This country is ready for a revolution. You can’t have a bloody revolution today. You can’t go to march on Washington with your guns, with your muskets, and pitchforks. So what do the people do? They’re going to have their revolution pack the ballot box. Barack Obama…people no longer want the old time politics. That’s why Hillary Clinton didn’t win, that’s why John McCain is gonna be the George McGovern of the Republican Party.
Ben Goodman: And just going back to your comments earlier, you mentioned of course Bob Barr, your party’s nominee for the presidency. Do you think that Bob Barr agrees that the Arab race consists of camel dung-shovelers?
Sonny Landham: You would have to ask Bob Barr that question.
Ben Goodman: Okay. And with our final question, Sage.
Sage Koontz: Hello sir, again. On a lighter note, have you stayed in touch with your Predator co-stars, Governors Ventura and Schwarzenegger, and did they give you any advice?
Sonny Landham: Uh, we were in touch with Schwarzenegger’s office. Them personally, I haven’t been in a good while. Arnold, you know, was Governor, he’s had his problems. But we did talk and discuss hydrogen and hydrogen cars and the use of hydrogen with Arnold and his office. That we did do. But uh, any personal contact, not recently.
Ben Goodman: Well, Mr. Landham, we want to thank you so much for joining us.
Sonny Landham: It’s Sonny, Ben. Just call me Sonny.