Green Party launches College Greens

By Deborah Dupre’, Examiner.com, via GP.org:

Green Party U.S.A. is launching College Greens, the new nationwide network of college Green Party chapters.  

The Green Party aims to help all students, faculty members, alumni, and parents meet College Democrats’ and Young Republicans’ challenge by organizing a better, Greener option at schools.

The new College Greens webpage includes tools needed to organize a fully-functional, vibrant, active College Greens chapter – an organizing checklist, supplemental organizing handouts, sample flyers, links to a Facebook and Twitter page, an on-line form to sign for individuals and college chapters, plus an on-line donation form that helps support our effort.  

The group is calling for people with experience with: Campus Greens organizing, faculty advisors, state or local Green Party coordinators, or leading another social justice or environmental groups.

Green Party U.S.A. College Greens gives American youth new hope  [Home]

This effort is organized by the Green Party of the United States and any state or local Green Party that wishes to support a College Greens chapter. 

The Green Party is not backed by any corporation, labor union, or advocacy group.

Campus Greens, an independent 501(c)4 organization unaffiliated with the Green Party, is not organizing chapters on a national level. 

Any group once affiliated with Campus Greens is invited to affiliate themselves with College Greens. 

This effort is not affiliated with any 501(c)4 organization. 

Political groups at schools

College Greens encourages students to follow rules about what their school allows groups to do, but as long as you stay within these guidelines you should be fine. 

"If there is a College Democrat or Republican group at your school, talk to them about how to operate within the rules.  Find someone in the student affairs office to discuss the situation – make sure to always be nice, even if you don’t get the help you need," says Brian Bittner, registered Green Party member.

College Greens welcomes any group of students to organize a group at their school.

Contact  college@gp.org for more answers about how to create greener America.

Learn more, take responsible action, and keep asking, "Why?" and "Why not?"  If you know anyone still attending school, help them bring students together to form a group.  You can e-mail college@gp.org.  Parents are encouraged to send theirr college student to the College Greens webpage. Need help starting a group? See http://www.gp.org/College-Greens/checklist.html for an organizing checklist you can use to get started.

104 thoughts on “Green Party launches College Greens

  1. Jake

    It’s about time!

    While I am currently in college, but I am not a Green member. Why a political party wouldn’t already have a college focused campaign or party is absurd!

  2. College Greens

    Many college chapters were formed starting in 2000 by an independent non-profit group called Campus Greens. That organization has fallen on hard times and has gone defunct. The Green Party of the United States has now stepped in to organize new chapters and take in any Campus Greens chapters looking for support from a national organization. If you liked Campus Greens, you’ll love College Greens!

  3. Jeremy Young

    This is excellent. I worked with a College Greens group (probably related to Campus Greens) at St. Mary’s College of Maryland back in 2002, but they had gone defunct by mid-2004. Hopefully College Greens will be able to resuscitate these groups. The Green Party more than any other party is dependent on college students to spread its message.

  4. Donald R. Lake

    It’s about time!

    While I am currently not in college, I am a disgruntled disabled veteran. Why a political party wouldn’t already have an abused veterans focused campaign or intra partisan group is absurd!

    Both the California and national Greens blew it on this issue in 2005! Ignorant? Dumb? Lazy? Clueless? Inept?

  5. Catholic Trotskyist

    The Catholic Trotskyist Party cares about veterans.

    I hope the college Democrats and the various college communist groups will work together to recruit and obstruct the college greens. Even the college Republicans and libertarians can join in this effort. Greenism is a road to nowhere. Only liberalism and socialism in their purer forms can be workable. But they should be matched with some conservative religious policies, and the libertarian position on the War on Drugs. Such is the way of Catholic Trotskyism.

  6. Dave Schwab

    The way the Green Party works is that if you want something done, you should probably do it yourself. So if there’s no Green veterans’ caucus now, start one yourself. I agree that Greens need to make veterans’ issues an even bigger focus than we do now – tho I should add that the Green platform is already the best on veterans’ issues (ending the wars, packing up the bases, bringing troops home, universal healthcare and education, ending homelessness, etc).

    Some friends and I started a Campus Greens chapter at our school in 2005. It was a good experience and a great way to meet the coolest people on campus 😉 But due to the state of the national Campus Greens organization, we didn’t feel like part of a greater whole – a sentiment that I’ve heard from other Campus Greens organizers. So I’m glad to hear about College Greens, and I hope it plants many many Green seeds in the fertile ground of college campuses.

  7. Michael Cavlan

    Dear oh Dear

    Campus Greens are now defunct? Just like the GP National paper, Green pages?

    Hip Hip Hooray. They were probably just a bunch of evil Peter Camejo fans. Or is it a bunch of right wingers that were using Ralph Nader? Or just ultra Stalinist, authoritarian, anarchists (never mind the complete contradictions of all of the above) just wrecking things?

    It is really hard to keep up these days.

    Don’t worry, the GP Committee To End Free Speech are on the job. Shutting down dissent and then complaining when folks leave the GP in droves.

    Oh and BTW, I have the political integrity to use my real name.

  8. paulie Post author

    As far as I know they are not nationally organized, although there are some college libertarian chapters.

    There are some national organizations such as Students for Liberty and Young Americans for Liberty, but they are not affiliated with the LP.

    I think a good approach on a campus is to have separate clubs which are party-associated and not party-associated. So, for instance, some of the same officers could be involved in a College Greens chapter and a nonpartisan environmental club on campus; or, some of the same officers could be involved in Students for Liberty and the campus LP.

    Then, if there’s time left over, they could work on single issue groups, eg Students for Sensible Drug Policy, Campus Peace Coalition, etc.

  9. R. Swanson

    Besides the groups mentioned, the US LP founded a network that now covers 300 major US campuses. It was fairly autonomous but completely separated out due in part to perceived complications from the BCRA (ballot financing) laws, which I understand also affected the Greens. If you go to the LP site, each state has a list of campus contacts, so I don’t understand why some people think the US Libertarians have no campus organization.

    An international Lib Club support program for students, candidates and communities is underway started by principals in the USLP, ISIL, LIO and the Friedman Foundation, but independent from these groups and focused on both general rights philosophy and strict Libertarianism. ISIL has also revived its own separate campus program at http://www.isil.org

  10. Joey

    Quick clarification: the Young Republicans are a separate entity from the College Republicans. YRs are typically the 18-40 crowds, and while they can be in college, the CRs and the YRs are corporately separate organizations.

  11. Dave Schwab

    One reason we formed Campus Greens at my school was that it was like rolling up a lot of the single-issue groups into one – students for social justice, the environmental group, students against the death penalty, students for a sensible drug policy, etc.

    Campus Greens has been practically defunct for almost 5 years. The first reason is that a former treasurer of the group disappeared, leaving it in a financial mess. Doesn’t really motivate you to join a group when the first thing you have to do is pay off debts and do a lot of paperwork because someone else shirked their responsibility.

    Second big reason is that Campus Greens is not affiliated with any Green Party and cannot legally participate in partisan action. So there wasn’t even any point to resurrecting it.

    College Greens is a good start. Hopefully we’ll soon have the momentum to start Young Greens as well, to include everyone 0-35, whether in college or not.

  12. anonymous

    Michael,

    Green Pages is not defunct. The Summer 2009 issue is on-line at http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/. You can also order paper copies. They are real, I’ve handed some out.

    Also, it was just announced that a record number of Green Party candidates are running nation-wide (more than at this time of the year in 2005 or 2007). Candidates, at least, are not leaving in droves but showing up in bigger numbers.

    -Anonymous

    (who needs political integrity when you’ve got facts?)

  13. anonymous

    By the way, partly in jest, I must ask…what is a Catholic Trotskyist, and what is the general ideology of the Catholic Trotskyist Party mentioned in post 8?

  14. Dave Schwab

    Catholic Trotskyist is a confessed democrat. His party’s purpose is to co-opt true believers of theocratic world communist revolution into supporting a lame establishment party. Kind of like the Working Families party, but with a lot less minions.

  15. Catholic Trotskyist

    Dear Anonymous,

    The Catholic Trotskyist Party is a real and growing political party which seeks to combine the Christian Right with economic socialism. It is currently an umbrella organization of the Democratic Party and supports President Barack Obama, whom we believe is called by God to initiate Catholic Trotskyist policies after his first term. We believe in single-payer universal healthcare, high taxes on the rich, government nationalization of many businesses, free education for all, a stronger environmental policy, and more government regulation over the entire economy. On foreign policy we also lean far left, advocating an end to all current involvement in wars by the United States, cutting military spending to pay for the US economy, and morally supporting leftist regimes around the world. On the other hand, we are so antinationalist that we support ending the United States as we know it today, and all other countries as well, creating a world Democratic socialist state, encompassing the entire earth. Despite this, we want to avoid the excesses of past communist regimes, by supporting freedom of speech in all cases, a continued free Internet, the ability of anyone to go into whatever career they wish, and an ability for people to complain about non-functioning buraucracies so that they may be fixed. We also support ending the drug war. However, on other social issues, we lean far to the right. We support banning abortion, refusing to adopt gay marriage, banning divorce, and in all ways favoring the traditional family. We also support the ability of religious groups to have a strong role in public life. We believe that if the peace-loving socialist workers of the world join the religions on masse, the religions of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Sikhism and especially Christianity, will return to their socialist principles, as many segments of the Roman Catholic church have done this century and throughout the monastic movement since the Middle Ages.
    Such is the way of Catholic Trotskyism, combining the best of liberalism, conservatism, libertarianism and socialism. Thanks for being interested.

  16. Michael Cavlan

    It is precisely because I have facts that I have the moral and political integrity to sign my name.

    Like I have said, I am committed to exposing the GP for what it is.

    Michael Cavlan RN
    Former Green candidate Minnesota House 2002
    Former Green party Official observer in Ohio Re-Count 2004
    Former Green Party candidate US Senate Minnesota
    Former Green National Delegate (where I discovered the extent of the corruption of the GP)

    Former Green.

  17. Donald R. Lake

    Michael Cavlan: I take what you said with great sadness. And in a much more limited arena [veterans issues in California in 2005] I could not agree with you more! I just do not know [first hand, any way] if it is corruption [like Peace and Freedom and the reform movement] or ineptitude ???????

  18. Catholic Trotskyist

    And the enemies of Catholic Trotskyism, yes, even two members of the green faction of the enemies of Catholic Trotskyism, continue attacking each other while the Great Awakening grows closer and closer and the advent of the true system continues.

    Glory unto the pope and glory unto Ted Kennedy, amen.

  19. Michael Cavlan

    Dave Schwab

    The “falsehoods” you claim that I make about Cam Gordon, GP elected official in Minneapolis has, in fact been proven in a court. I even have the CD recordings, as I was present at the court. In fact you know who else was there and agrees with al the salient true points that I made?

    Farheen Hakeem (you folks spelt her name wrong, it is not Hakim) that was just elected to the National GP Steering Committee.

    In fact Cam Gordon is a picture perfect example of the level of corruption evident in the GP.

    When I first broke the story (in the Minneapolis Mirror) said that since it was so controversial that the editor, Terry Zaguirra fact checked it.

    She found the story 100% true and credible and so published it. google Minneapolis Mirror, Cam Gordon, Mayor RT Ryback and there it is, in black and white.

    So Mr Schwab, it is your credibility that is in the toilet. Oh and the ‘other” writer is Kimberly, who is actually respected here.

  20. Dave Schwab

    Quit lying, dude. I just read the story on the Minneapolis Mirror, and there’s no mention of your false claim that there was no Democratic challenger to Cam Gordon this year.

    Oh, and your spiteful little petition to unendorse Cam Gordon, a man who is advancing the ideals you pay lip service to while constantly undermining, failed. So don’t act like people in Minneapolis take you any more seriously than the Catholic Trotskyist, because they don’t.

  21. anonymous

    “Farheen Hakeem (you folks spelt her name wrong, it is not Hakim) that was just elected to the National GP Steering Committee.”

    See, this is (one) of the problems with this continued line of attack.

    Who is “you”? Who are “you folks”? Who did the mis-spelling? It wasn’t me. (I know I can’t prove this because you don’t know who I am, but it wasn’t. And if I told you who I am you would out me as a clear associate of “you folks” because I am a state and local Green Party leader who generally doesn’t see corruption everywhere I look, so I must be misguided.) It wasn’t Dave. It wasn’t any of the people who have posted on this thread so far in support of the original topic, which has long been lost in the ether. Instead, we’re all complicit in some dispute from years ago in Minnesota (sorry to say I’ve never been to Minnesota).

    In fact, it wasn’t 99.999999999% of the Green Party activists and members in this country, but when it comes to things like that we’re all just “you folks”.

  22. paulie Post author

    I’m guessing (although I could be wrong) that “you folks” refers to IPR, in which case we almost certainly copy-and-pasted from somewhere else and did not intend any error or offense.

  23. anonymous

    Maybe. Her name was spelled wrong in the official listing of candidates for the GPUS Steering Committee election, which I assumed is the offense Michael was referring to. But who knows? We’re all complicit in everything.

  24. Michael Cavlan

    Paulie, I have no problem with the folks at IPPR. Quite the opposite.

    Mr David Schwab or Audrey VA Green or whom ever anonymous is.

    Since you do not have the moral or political integrity to sign your own name here.

    Of course I am talking about the GP National Committee. Now back to the “mistruths” and my story here on Cam Gordon.

    Like I said there and here. The FACTS of the story is verifiable, under oath and on tape.

    But the FACTS are irrelevant and quite frankly, the GP does not have the courage to deal with it. Just like they do not have the courage to deal with Brent McMillian and charges of racism, charges of disenfranchising Nader supporters etc etc.

    Hell, the GP does not have the courage to even talk about it. That is why so many were purged from list serves, banned for posting and booted off of GP Committees.

    You see folks, here there is no banings or censorship when the conversation gets uncomfortable. So pretty soon, anonymous Audrey or Dave or Monte or whomever will dissapear for the discussion. Because they do not have the GP Committee to End Free Speech to make those “nasty, mean old” dissenters (Camejo-ites, Stalinists, right wingers, anarchist authoritarians etc etc) go away when they are made uncomfortable by our political positions.

    In fact the GP have proven themselves to be even more cowardly than the Democrats, which is amazing, all by itself. The Dems put on a faux opposition to the Rethuglican policies and the GP put on a faux opposition to the Dems.

    Which, in the final analysis is just fine. Let the Greens go be Greens. Sinking into obscurity and inaction.

    Meanwhile, those of us who are SERIOUS about building a real opposition to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system are building and organizing.

  25. Donald R. Lake

    So 99.999999999999999 % Greens are just hard working grand folks?

    In 2005 Citizens For A Better Veterans Home was contacted and alerted to the ‘fact’ that the Green Party of California had publicly voted to construct an Abused Veterans ‘Working Group’ at their March meeting in Los Angeles County. More to come in September 2005 in South Lake Tahoe. More to come nationally in Tucson in August.

    HUNDREDS of snail mail, email, voice mail attempts were made with West Coast Greens. The response was less than ONE PERCENT! And the very people whom originally contacted us dropped the ball time and time again.

    Why even bother with such losers ???????

  26. Donald R. Lake

    “The way the Green Party works is that if you want something done, you should probably do it yourself.

    So if there’s no Green veterans’ caucus now, start one yourself. [Lake: why bother with Greens, Libs, reform movement, Bible Thumpers, or any other near worth less group?]

    I agree that Greens need to make veterans’ issues an even bigger focus than we do now – tho I should add that the Green platform is already the best on veterans’ issues (ending the wars, packing up the bases, bringing troops home, universal health care and education, ending homelessness, etc [Lake: but (like every one else) nothing specifically on specific veterans issues ??????] ).

    But due to the state of the national Campus Greens organization, we didn’t feel like part of a greater whole – a sentiment that I’ve heard from other Campus Greens organizers ………..”

    [A] not much of a recruiting tool, eh ????

    [B] if you can do it your self with out the greens, then you can do it your self with out the greens!

    [C] thx for helping to proving my point!

    [D] Greens [just like every other group] don’t get any thing from us, just give, give, give!

  27. anonymous

    Michael,

    It is because I have political integrity that I chose to not use my real name. I would like to talk about the Green Party as a whole, what it tends to do as a national, state, or local movement, how its members can come together to make changes, etc. I am uninterested in turf wars, he said she saids, innuendos, rumor mills, back room deals, or local political intrigue. Mentioning my name will only cause people to look me up, find out who I am allied with, find out what “faction” I am in, find out when I joined the Committee to End Free Speech, etc. Those are distractions from the real organizing you claim to be doing.

    The Cam Gordon situation I am uninterested in. The Green Party and its members cannot be summed up by the Cam Gordon situation. I know nothing of the verifiable facts. I’ve never been to Minnesota or met Cam Gordon. I fail to see how the Cam Gordon situation reflects on the whole of the Green National Committee. I fail to see how anything you mention reflects on the National Committee. Brent McMillan is not a member of the National Committee. Ralph Nader is not a member of the National Committee. I am not a member of the National Committee. So my original point still stands – I am interested in the idea of College Greens (the original point of this thread) and am not one of “you folks” that always screw everything up because they are out to get everyone who ever said anything to them about anything.

    A few years ago when I was an adjunct instructor at a metropolitican East Coast university (put together the clues and you can uncover my secret identity!) I taught my students about hasty generalizations and the fallacy of composition, both of which you commit frequently on this blog. Someone who identifies themself as a Green does not commit the same offenses that someone else who identifies themself as a Green does, and are not inevitably bound to do so because they work with the GNC. (Same to you Doug – a couple hundred losers in California in 2005 doesn’t doom a national political movement in 2009.)

    But I don’t need or don’t want to dwell on this all day. I think College Greens is a great idea. Does anyone have any specific criticisms of that particular effort?

  28. Donald R. Lake

    Folks whom are too secretive to use their own names, addresses, to address public issues ?????

    If you don’t have the time or desire, unearth your real identity and drift away! No one invited you to the party; no one is begging you to linger!

  29. Donald R. Lake

    It is because we [Communists, Fascists, Monarchists] we care for the average Joe and Josephine that we abuse and starve and kill them via the PEOPLE’s Republic, the PEOPLE’s Army and, of course, sterling integrity!

  30. Michael Cavlan

    My My My

    David Schwab and other “anonymous” Greens are getting just a wee bit touchy and sensitive here.

    So, first of all, who is the Democrat who is running in the 2nd ward of Minneapolis? Answer- None.

    How many times in Minneapolis history has the Minneapolis Democrats NOT ran in any Ward of Minneapolis? answer- Never before.

    Third, who makes the statement, under oath that Minneapolis Mayor Ryback and Cam Gordon had in fact made a deal, to ensure that Cam Gordon have no Democratic opposition and that Cam Gordon would, quid pro quo try to ensure that the GP would not run against Democratic Party (and Minnesota Chair for the Obama campaign) Mayor RT Ryback? Answer- Peter Wagenius, aid to mayor Ryback.

    All testified to under oath.

    Not even touching the whole Nader disenfranchisment issue or Brent McMillian thing.

    You see, here people can respond to your lies. Because the Committee To End Free Speech and debate has no power here.

  31. Michael Cavlan

    Oh and regarding the whole un-endorsing of Cam Gordon.

    At the meeting at Hosmer’s library in Minneapolis 41 members of the GP were present.

    20 voted to un-endorse while 21 voted to not.

    This, before the information became public because of the Dave Bicking lawsuit (GP endorsed candidate for 9th ward of Minneapolis) against Mayor Ryback. Which had the mayor’s staff member testify UNDER OATH on what really happened.

    Now since there is no Dem running against Cam, I know folks who are now talking about voting for the REPUBLICAN running against Cam. Saying “my dear God, I have NEVER voted for a Republican in my life.”

    Never mind Cam’s support of the thug Chief of Minneapolis Police, Chief Dolan.

    I feel sure that the on line paper Green Pages will allow exposes on that. Just like the corporate media allowed mucho coverage of Cynthia McKinney.

    Like I said, those of us who are SERIOUS about building opposition to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system are building and organizing.

  32. Dave Schwab

    Cavlan:

    There was a DFL challenger to Cam Gordon this year, who dropped out of the race in March after it was revealed that he lied about his resume:

    http://minnesotaindependent.com/27896/gay-city-council-candidate-drops-out-admits-falsifying-much-of-his-life-story

    Whoops, that inconvenient fact tears your whole conspiracy theory, based partly on your own speculation and partly on the speculation of a Democratic party hack, to shreds.

    So tell us honestly now: are you merely ignorant, or are you a liar?

  33. Michael Cavlan

    Mr Schwab

    At least you do not hide behind the GP Committee To End Free Speech. Although, of course here you really have no option, do you?

    Now, play attention.

    This was evidence, stated UNDER OATH.

    However, since you and th GP refuse to dl with that, the MEMBERSHIP are starting to vote.

    With their feet.

    meanwhile, those of us who are not afraid to stand in SERIOUS opposition to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system continue to grow and build.

    While the GP simply attack and smear those who do that..

  34. anonymous

    New strategy: reposts of previous points that have gone totally undiscussed by the Committee to bring Up the Same Old Argument About Something That Happened in a Town Most Greens Have Never Been to on Every Single Post on IPR (see, I can make up imaginary factions as well)…

    “The Cam Gordon situation I am uninterested in. The Green Party and its members cannot be summed up by the Cam Gordon situation. I know nothing of the verifiable facts. I’ve never been to Minnesota or met Cam Gordon. I fail to see how the Cam Gordon situation reflects on the whole of the Green National Committee. I fail to see how anything you mention reflects on the National Committee… So my original point still stands – I am interested in the idea of College Greens (the original point of this thread) and am not one of “you folks” that always screw everything up because they are out to get everyone who ever said anything to them about anything…

    But I don’t need or don’t want to dwell on this all day. I think College Greens is a great idea. Does anyone have any specific criticisms of that particular effort?”

    Any maybe you don’t, Michael, so why don’t you ask IPR to let you write an article and you and you can call out every single member of the Committee to End Free Speech and we can all hash it out?

  35. anonymous

    And I doubt this re-direction will work. So here’s a new strategy…peace and reconciliation. Michael, what do you want us (there is no “us,” which was my original point, which never gets addressed, but so it goes…) to do? What could someone do to make you happy so we can have our threads back? (I know they’re not “our” (because their is no “our”) threads, but seriously, IPR is essentially useless now. Every Green Party post gets about five minutes for constructive discussion before the same five people (MC, DRL, CT, etc…) start yakking about how Greens are all losers, whatever.)

    Is there anything?

  36. Dave Schwab

    1. Fueled by bitterness, hijack every thread about the Green Party to further your own agenda, usually against Greens who are doing constructive work or having electoral success.

    2. Pretend you’re some great champion of free speech and dissent, then weep and moan when someone fact-checks you.

    3. Repeat!

    Know what tho, I’m no longer interested in doing this. I don’t see any other option but to resort to a tried-and-true response.

    Please do not feed the zero-credibility troll.

  37. paulie Post author

    Why aren’t my comments appearing here?

    Probably caught in spam filter by mistake. If I find them there, they’ll appear – check back in the thread as of the time they should have appeared. Write contact.ipr@gmail.com if it happens again.

  38. paulie Post author

    Folks whom are too secretive to use their own names, addresses, to address public issues ?????

    If you don’t have the time or desire, unearth your real identity and drift away! No one invited you to the party; no one is begging you to linger!

    Anonymous posters are welcome here.

  39. Donald R. Lake

    anonymous /lack of integrity: so if you had a hypocritical, sick friend in denial who was on the same theoretical page as you but just could not make progress in the real world ….

    I criticize Peace and Freedom [ctweber] and the reform movement [Israel First Zionist fascist thugs [Frank $500 MacKay, John Blare, John Coffey, John Bambey, Valli Sharpe Giesler] not only cause I hate them, but I love the [fake ???] message[s] they give out!

    If the ‘mess up a two car parade’ Greens are so wonderful [and I, for one,wish they were] plz, whom ever you are, enumerate. [Bet ya come up real short!]

    If you really, really want to improve the system, ya listen to mechanics and machinists not the smiling faces of the sales floor. And are you [whom ever you are] sure that you are not a Democan or a Republicrat ?????? You sure do sound/ act like an alternative political agent!

    [But how are we to know ……..]

  40. Michael Cavlan

    Anonymous

    I just figured out who you are. A good, decent man in an organization that IMHO is beyond redemption now.

    Specifically, after the Resolution that was in the BURP for 2 years, agreed on a compromise and then immediately attacked by the anti-Nader folks.

    You know what I am talking about.

  41. Danny S

    College Greens seems like a good idea, although like any other movement it all depends on what you do with it. Can you get it to flare up as big as say YAF used to be for Republicans? Or at least get to the point of at least YAL is today with the CFL?

    Of course, for third parties there is no magic answer for things like that. Probably the best way is to have a candidate who can inspire the base, like Ron Paul did for YAL or Nader did in his perennial candidacies for president.

  42. anonymous

    Michael,

    Out me if you’d like. I will honestly respond whether you are right or wrong. I will tell you that I’ve never been a position to make compromises on any resolution in front of the BRPP. But backroom politics isn’t the point of the thread. Thanks Danny for getting back there.

    Danny,

    I honestly am not familiar with the YAF, YAL (Young Americans for Liberty?), or CFL (Campaign for Liberty?). I am not a Libertarian (another hint…) so I don’t know much about the scope of these organizations. What are the positives/negatives of these groups that College Greens or other youth organizing groups can emulate or avoid?

  43. El Grande Chupacabra

    YAF and YAL are both closely, although unofficially, aligned with the Republican Party.

    By way of analogy, College Greens would then be quasi-aligned with the Democratic Party, which I think would be a mistake.

  44. Michael Cavlan

    Anonymous

    I have no desire to out you, Mr Mystery man. That is your prerogative.

    However, secret back room deals may not be the point of the thread but should be important, relevant information for any one considering joining the GP, College or other wise.

    In fact I consider it ironic that I, as a Cynthia McKinney supporter (had her on my cable show in Minnesota) had been standing up for the Nader supporters who WERE disenfranchised. While those folks who are left in the GP who are Nader supporters (mystery man, Lou Novak etc) who KNOW just how you all were disenfranchised are still there.

    Mr Man, I feel sure that you are in the GP because the 10 Key Values. Quite frankly, I left the GP precisely because the GP does not IMHO follow those values. From folks like Mr Schwab calling folks like me liars (violence of words and attempts at character assassination) just because they are uncomfortable with the FACTS and political perspectives I/we bring forward. To shutting off those folks in their rights to bring forward their political views, because they bring forward their LEGITIMATE views and griefs with the leadership of and the structural problems with the GP (the National Committee To End Free Speech)

    To the structural issues that are behind this. The fact that a minority (about 35-40%) who would in fact use the “consensus” model to block any movement. Reminiscent in many ways of the way Rethulicans are acting now. In what we started to call the tyranny of the minority.

    Quite frankly, all of which is old history by now. This is why folks like our mutual friend Danene, Cat Woods, Steve from Oregon, Kristin etc etc etc etc etc have all left the GP. So it is far too late to talk of reconciliation and mediation now. The time for that was years ago.

    In the final analysis though, when you get past all this it lies here for me and folks like me.

    I joined the GP because I saw folks who had the courage and political integrity to stand up to and expose the war machine, Rethug AND Democrat.
    In a very clear, direct and concise way.

    Instead, due to those folks (that minority tyranny I spoke of) have decided that the GP should ONLY run small, local campaigns.

    I joined the GP BECA– USE of issues like war, foreign policy, Impeachment etc etc. Since any who stand in opposition to that are attacked and smeared or have paper campaigns set up to sabotage and attack an actual campaign (McKinney and Nader) it is because of those dynamics, those political realities that i have left the GP. hell, listen to Greg Jacoy’s blog radio. Google Greg Jacoy blog radio michael cavlan.

    It is all there.

    So anonymous, shall I tell Danene you say hello?

  45. anonymous

    I don’t know what to say, Michael. I am not any of the people you think I am, and I haven’t had the experiences you have had, and I’ve been a member of the Green Party for 4 years (since summer 2005, so I never took a side in any of the Nader fights) without being shut down like you have. So, I can’t really empathize with you. I’ve never been attacked and smeared or anything like that. I think that I find it difficult to see things from your point of view because I haven’t taken it for granted that there are factions and campaigns to get people who deviate from the party line. I say that not to shut you down to but to honestly say that in four years of party organizing I have never experienced it, so I don’t know how to react to it. I don’t know how to proceed from here. I wish you could tell me, but I’m not sure you’ve identified concrete steps that can be taken, short of kicking out some people you feel have wronged you. As a Green Party member I feel like I can organize around most problems, but not that one.

    I realize that flouting my anonymity and asking you to determine my identity forced you into a game, which may not have been fair of me. But you’ve proven my point by making the guesses you have – I tried to enter into a discussion about College Greens, and you’ve assigned motives to my points that are totally off-base. I’ve never met Danene, Cat Woods, or Steve from Oregon, nor have I ever campaigned on behalf of Ralph Nader. But you insist that my motivations are based on these associations, which is wrong. I wish I could have a conversation without my motives being attributed to something like that, but I can’t. Which is why I stayed anonymous. But instead of remaining free from association, it just made it possible to assign me any possible association, which isn’t fair. So I withdraw for now. I’m going away for the Labor Day weekend and won’t be back on e-mail on Tuesday. Maybe something will come up when I get back online in a few days, or not. Whatever. I will take Dave’s advice and not feed the discussion with more challenges. I do think it’s a shame that every Green thread on this blog gets clogged up with this stuff, but so it goes. So I will enjoy the weekend, make plans for my local party’s meeting next weekend, and enjoy the holiday. I hope you enjoy it too.

    -Always,
    Anonymous

  46. Dave Schwab

    Anon – don’t let the trolls force you off. A healthy online discussion comes from ignoring the haters and not being afraid to speak your mind. At any rate, Green Party Watch is a great site where dissent and debate are commonplace, but trolling is not allowed.

  47. Danny S

    YAF was Young Americans for Freedom. It was started by Barry Goldwater, and it was pretty explicitly Republican. Then an internal war slowly built up between the libertarians and conservatives until the organization splintered at one of their conventions if I remember right. But it did get people active in politics for both factions and both got to advance their agenda. However, while it backed a party it was a little more independent. And because it was made around a candidate who inspired youth, it managed to be useful.

    YAL is the Young Americans for Liberty, which runs along Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty. It was built around a candidate who inspired youth, and as such has been growing pretty rapidly. It isn’t quite as partisan as YAF was in my opinion, given Ron Paul’s support for third parties. However, it does trend toward the Republican party.

    I bring those up just because they are examples of organizations that could politically prove useful, which other than education should be the goal of campus groups.

    So in that regard, the best way to fuel your group is to find that right candidate. Maybe once Nader has retired from his presidential campaigns whoever runs in 2012 can do it and reunite the third party progressives.

    Of course, there are other avenues to build up and it all depends on how hard local campuses work.

    Either way though, I think that its a good idea what ya’ll have goin.

  48. Michael Cavlan

    Anonymous

    First,I guess I guessed wrong on who you are. I thought that you were Howie Hawkins. Howie was C0-Chair of the Greens for Nader campaign.

    Second, case in point is Mr dave Schwab, who without realizing it, makes my point completely.

    Point out your belief’s, experiences, political perspectives and even dissenting opinion of the direction and leadership of the GP and the response is immediate and direct.

    Call the other, speaking their perspectives and truths liars. Oh and then call those who dissent trolls and then have them banned.

    That is what happened on the GP National list-serve as well as GP Watch.

    Which is why I love this site.

    IPR does not ban folks who bring forward their politics and perspectives.

    Quite the opposite. Some Libertarians and others seem to have this wacky idea of the free market of ideas.

    So the GP Committee to End Free Speech has no real sway or influence here. That is why Dave Schwab and people of his ilk’s only real response to my posts is

    He is a troll, so I will ignore him. When I bring forward FACTS (Court transcripts obtained UNDER OATH is the most reliable form of facts) his and others response is to attack and smear.

    It is called shooting the messenger.

    I have no real solution for you and how to deal with this in the GP.

    I am no longer a member of the GP, although I do support and consider many Greens to be friends and political allies.

    This issue is, quite frankly, a problem for you folks in the GP.

  49. VAGreen

    “In fact the GP have proven themselves to be even more cowardly than the Democrats, which is amazing, all by itself. The Dems put on a faux opposition to the Rethuglican policies and the GP put on a faux opposition to the Dems.”

    Bullshit. I personally collected 500 signatures to get our Presidential ticket on the ballot in Virginia, one of the states most heavily targeted by the Obama campaign. I took care of hiring our paid petitioners and telling them in which districts we were in need of signatures. I also did an awful lot to coordinate the activities of our volunteer petitioners.

    I certainly cannot and will not claim all of the credit for the success of our petition drive. A lot of good Greens did a lot of good work. I can say, however, that the petition drive certainly would have failed without me.

    It is just sickening to watch you and your pals try to tear the Green Party to shreds and then turn around and blame the Greens for being so weak. Chutzpah is not an adequate word to describe this.

    We came out of our National Meeting in Reading in 2007 with a sense of unity and purpose that I had not seen before. Phil Huckelberry wanted to talk about ballot access and running a strong Presidential campaign. You wanted to attack Phil as a “Demo-Green” for getting into a two way race with a Republican.

    Your faction spent its time after Reading launching ad hominem attacks on other National Committee members, peddling conspiracy theories, engaging in witch-hunts for “Demo-Greens”, taunting and jeering at weaker state parties instead of trying to build them. All of which had absolutely nothing to do with Nader supporters, or Elaine Brown, or any of the other off-topic arguments that you use to hijack Green Party threads on IPR.

  50. VAGreen

    BTW, how does this fit into your conspiracy theory, Mr. Cavlan?

    3/2/2009: “Charles Carlson, a candidate for the Ward 2 seat on the Minneapolis City Council, dropped out of the race on Sunday, telling supporters that he has “an opportunity to officiate professional tennis at various tournaments around the world.” But as the Minnesota Daily reports, Carlson dropped out after the paper uncovered that he fabricated a substantial part of his biography.”

    http://minnesotaindependent.com/27896/gay-city-council-candidate-drops-out-admits-falsifying-much-of-his-life-story

  51. Michael Cavlan

    But, just for fun (since I have a bit of time to spare before my next organizational meeting)

    Mr Schwab had accused me of being a liar, when I pointed out that Cam Gordon had no Democrat opposition in his race (just like Mr Carrol, the GP who “won” in Arkansas)

    So please tell me, who is the democratic opposition to Cam Gordon in the Minneapolis Second Ward?

    For, you know the actual election coming up?

    Never mind the statements of a Democrat hack (Peter Wagenius) under OATH.

    So Mr Schwab, who is Cam Gordon facing?

    Of course, this is your cue to attack, smear, call me a liar etc etc. Because it is all you have.

    Or better yet, not answer. Which in fact simply proves my point entirely.

    You have no answer to FACTS presented before you.

  52. Michael Cavlan

    Wowie Zowie

    Audrey, I have gone round and round with you, haven’t I?

    So, since you and your pals have effectively and directly been so effective in destroying the GP.

    The GP WAS united, coming out of Reading (bit smaller attendance in North carolina, eh)

    So, which Resolution was it Audrey, worked on for TWO YEARS, agreed to under real concensus (or so we thought) that dealt with the contentious issue of smaller weaker states representation, compromised on etc etc. I can’t remember it’s number (it’s on my computer somewhere)

    It was when I seen YOU Audrey, Greg Gerritt, Pat (I wouldn’t Vote For Myself) LaMarche and others attack THAT proposal, using the tactic of the tyranny of the minority (the Resolution had the will of the majority, about 64% as I remember) that I and others realized that you folks were not serious about building an actual opposition to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system. It was at that point that I left effectively the GP.

    Now Audrey, before you continue on with this debate here, remember.

    They do not ban folks from speaking here.

    The Committee To End Free Speech has no power here. Oh and the tactic of attack and smear the messenger is not very effective either.

    To Anonymous Green, good luck on promoting anything like peace and reconciliation with this group.

  53. Michael Cavlan

    So, we have very direct questions to the GP folks here.

    Who is the Democrat facing GP elected official in Minneapolis for the election?

    Which resolution was worked on, in Committee for TWO YEARS, built on supposed consensus style (which could have kept the GP together) that was then attacked by the very folks who had worked on that two year process of consensus?

    More importantly, why did you folks attack it, knowing the potential costs of it failing?

    Come on Mr Schwab

    Come on Audrey VA Green.

    Am I just a troll or am I a messenger with uncomfortable facts who needs to be shot (figuratively)

    You see, I am SERIOUS about building an actual, effective opposition to the pro-war, corporate corrupted system.

    Not a faux opposition to the faux opposition Democrats.

  54. VAGreen

    “Mr Schwab had accused me of being a liar, when I pointed out that Cam Gordon had no Democrat opposition in his race (just like Mr Carrol, the GP who “won” in Arkansas)”

    So, did Charles Carlson decide to publicly humiliate himself in order to help out Cam Gordon?

    3/2/2009: “Charles Carlson, a candidate for the Ward 2 seat on the Minneapolis City Council, dropped out of the race on Sunday, telling supporters that he has “an opportunity to officiate professional tennis at various tournaments around the world.” But as the Minnesota Daily reports, Carlson dropped out after the paper uncovered that he fabricated a substantial part of his biography.”

    http://minnesotaindependent.com/27896/gay-city-council-candidate-drops-out-admits-falsifying-much-of-his-life-story

    Cavlan’s smears against Arkansas Greens refuted again:

    “Carroll’s route to the statehouse was a bit out of the way. A former chairman with North Little Rock’s International Brotherhood of Boilermakers Local No. 66, he said he’d never even considered running for public office until what he usually refers to as the “situation” involving Dwayne Dobbins. The former District 39 Representative, Dobbins resigned from the House in 2005 as part of a plea bargain that reduced a felony sexual assault charge to a misdemeanor harassment charge after allegations that Dobbins improperly touched a 17-year-old girl. Dobbins’ wife Sharon Dobbins subsequently won a special election after her husband resigned. Though the Democratic Party expected her to run again in 2008, her husband filed for the race an hour and a half before the deadline. The Democrats refused to support Dobbins’ candidacy, and went looking for write-in candidates.”

    http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2009/02/01/profile-of-richard-carroll-green-legislator/

  55. Michael Cavlan

    Wow

    what stunning coincidences both in Minneapolis and Arkansas.

    So how many times in history has there been a non Democrat run in the city of Minneapolis? Or indeed in Arkansas?

    Answer- Never.

  56. Michael Cavlan

    But hey, Peter Wagenius, Democrat Party hack says UNDER OATH that there was a deal made.

    pure coincidence, right?

    yeah right.

    Remeber Audrey, the GP Committee To Shut Out Dissent has no sway here.

  57. Michael Cavlan

    Oh and for the record Audrey and dave. I have a cable show, called Lies and Omissions of Corporate Media which actually covered Cynthia McKinney.

    I also collected signatures for Cynthia AND Ralph Nader.

    Oh grrrrrrrrr. How bad of me. After all David Strand ran around smearing Nader at every opportunity he could. You know Mr Strand. he is on your GP Central Committee.

    Should be fun to watch. he will be even better than Greg Gerritt.

  58. VAGreen

    “The GP WAS united, coming out of Reading (bit smaller attendance in North carolina, eh)”

    We made money at the meeting in Durham and had some very good workshops about recruiting candidates, organizing a statewide petition drive, starting the College Greens, and a constructive critique of the Green Party.

    Again, did Charles Carlson publicly humiliate himself in order to help out Cam Gordon?

    I’m all for constructive critiques, BTW. Which is the opposite of what you and your pals did after Reading. As I have said repeatedly, most of your faction’s attacks had absolutely nothing to do with apportionment. Not that I expect you to actually address that.

    The apportionment for the nominating convention ended up being based on the apportionment for the National Committee, which was passed in early 2007. The NC apportionment was based on a long process of compromise by the Delegate Apportionment Committee.

  59. VAGreen

    David Strand’s anti-Destructo credentials are solid. Hopefully, he can undo some of the damage that you and your pals did to the Green Party.

  60. VAGreen

    You have a positively Cheneyesque aversion to the facts in Arkansas. Here they are again, so that way you can’t pretend that you didn’t read them:

    “Carroll’s route to the statehouse was a bit out of the way. A former chairman with North Little Rock’s International Brotherhood of Boilermakers Local No. 66, he said he’d never even considered running for public office until what he usually refers to as the “situation” involving Dwayne Dobbins. The former District 39 Representative, Dobbins resigned from the House in 2005 as part of a plea bargain that reduced a felony sexual assault charge to a misdemeanor harassment charge after allegations that Dobbins improperly touched a 17-year-old girl. Dobbins’ wife Sharon Dobbins subsequently won a special election after her husband resigned. Though the Democratic Party expected her to run again in 2008, her husband filed for the race an hour and a half before the deadline. The Democrats refused to support Dobbins’ candidacy, and went looking for write-in candidates.”

    http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2009/02/01/profile-of-richard-carroll-green-legislator/

  61. Michael Cavlan

    Audrey

    what fun. I have a litle time to waste.

    Apportionment was and remained at the HEART of what we “dissenters” (you call us destructo-greens, although we are no longer greens) were talking about.
    the central issue of Delegate APORTIONMENT and the extra power of the smaller, weaker states was at the heart of that entire discussion.

    So, since you dodged the question before, let me ask again.

    Which Resolution, worked on in Committee for TWO YEARS, addressing this central issue, which was alledgedly agreed on, but was then immediately attacked by folks like you, when it reached the general membership? Which the majority of about 64% agreed to but since the tyranny of the minority said no, that resolution went down in flames. You folks knew the concequences of that action.

    Like I said, it was at that moment that many of us realized that the GP was hopelessly corrupt. Not to mention the banning of dissent (calling people who brought up LEGITIMATE grievances trolls and then banning them is a picture perfect example of how this worked)

    Now Audrey, since the Committee To End Free Speech has no power here.

    Which Resolution did you folks shoot down in flames. The Resolution that could have healed the GP?

    More importantly, why did you folks shoot it down in flames?

  62. Michael Cavlan

    David Strand?

    The David Strand who, as the appointed Cynthia McKinney person (those of doing the actual work of trying to build her campaign were shut out of her MN campaign) who would smear ralph Nader, crying out about Nader’s “gonadal politics” during debates in Minnesota, instead of, you know actually trying to build up McKinney’s campaign?

    Or the David Strand who was on KFAI radio and talked about the Democratic candidate and how good he was, even though there was a Green on the ballot in that race?

    THAT David Strand?

    David Strand is a picture perfect representative of you folks.

    oh yes and he called former members of the MN CC “Stalinists” at GP meetings.

    yeah, stellar example.

  63. Michael Cavlan

    Dear dear Audrey.

    You really should go the way of Dave Schwab. Call me a Troll, who should be ignored.

    It is called effective damage control..

    //:-D>——–

    Just some advice dear. What is REALLY funny is that I know you will ignore it.

  64. VAGreen

    Sure, I’ll call you a troll, both in the context of the Internet and in the context of Tolkien:

    “In J. R. R. Tolkien’s world of Middle-earth, Trolls are very large (twelve feet tall or more) humanoids of great strength and poor intellect. While in Norse mythology, the Troll was a magical creature with special skills, in Tolkien’s writings they are portrayed as evil, stupid, with crude habits, although still intelligent enough to communicate with a known language.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Middle-earth)

    I’ll also point out that you are a textbook example of a left sectarian, who spends 99% of his time attacking those whose ideology he is in 99% agreement with, and has little to say about the Democrats and Republicans.

    You have also earned the epithet “Destructo-Green” because of everything that you did to tear apart the Green Party when you were on the National Committee. I can understand why you refuse to own up to your attacks that had NOTHING to do with apportionment, because they are some pretty damning stuff. Your continuing evasions and prevarication are “Cheneyeseque”, but I suppose you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do to build your party.

    BTW, the term for someone who tries to build a political party almost entirely by smearing his opponents is “Rovian”.

    I’m done with you. Come back when you’re interested in honest discussion.

  65. Michael Cavlan

    Audrey

    Slash, smear and attack. It is in fact all you folks have. From authoratians, to right wingers, to ultra left Stalinists, to uber sectarian leftists, to now the latest Rovian. It is your response and your ONLY response to ANY serious political discussion.

    You do not understand what honest discussion is.

    Which, like I said is why you and folks like you do not and will not address the political points which I and people like me have repeatedly brought up.

    Anonymous, whom ever you may be. good luck on that whole reconciliation concept.

    For a conversation to move forward, both parties have to be willing to listen and hear the other side and build for the whole of the membership and stability of said organization.

    I feel almost as sorry for Greens who are left as real conservatives who have watched as religious nut jobs have taken over the Rethuglican party.

  66. VAGreen

    It’s good to see the Green Party reviving its presence on college campuses. A lot of the younger folks who supported Obama last year will be pretty disillusioned with the Democrats, and we need to give them an alternative in 2010.

  67. paulie Post author

    From wikipedia



    The Southern Poverty Law Center took objection to the MSU chapter’s actions and has included the organization on its hate group list for 2006 under the “general hate” category.[11] In an interview with the Lansing State Journal, a former officer of the group, Joanna Varnavas, said the YAF chapter went overboard for advocating “a lot of anti-gay beliefs” on the MSU campus.[12] According to an editorial in The State News, the YAF national organization also took out an ad in the paper in support of MSU-YAF and criticizing the SPLC in 2008.[13]

    On November 20, 2006, YAF members from MSU and Olivet College were involved in a protest outside the Lansing City Council. They were protesting a proposed ordinance prohibiting discrimination against homosexuals and transsexuals. Some of the protesters held signs reading “Straight Power” and “End Faggotry”.[14][9] According to the SPLC, the group has also “cosponsored a ‘Catch an Illegal Immigrant Day’ contest, held a ‘Koran Desecration’ competition, jokingly threatened to distribute smallpox-infested blankets to Native American students, and posted ‘Gays Spread AIDS’ fliers across campus.”[15] The “Catch an Illegal Immigrant” game was suggested by a field representative of the College Republican National Committee, who was fired after it provoked criticism.[16]

    In 2006, YAF and the College Republicans hosted a speech by anti-illegal immigration Republican representative Tom Tancredo, which was disrupted by protesters.[17][10][18]

    In 2007, YAF and the College Republicans hosted Chris Simcox to speak at the campus on illegal immigration.[19] The event was attended by over 100 mostly Hispanic protesters.

    On October 26, 2007, around 50-75 people were involved in protesting a YAF event hosting Nick Griffin, chairman of the British National Party (BNP). Griffin who has been convicted with antisemitism and racism in the United Kingdom, was forced to do a Q&A after being continuously interrupted. [20][21].

    On July 29th, 2009 the SPLC reported that MSU-YAF had gotten a new Faculty Adviser[22]. Indrek Wichman, a professor of mechanical engineering, had made headlines in 2006 after sending an offensive e-mail[23] to the Muslim Students Association. MSU-YAF had previously tried to host a speech by Wichman at the Holocaust Memorial Center in Farmington Hills, MI. The speech was canceled when MSU-YAF’s hate group status was revealed to the Center. [24]

  68. paulie Post author

    So how many times in history has there been a non Democrat run in the city of Minneapolis? Or indeed in Arkansas?

    Not sure I understand your point here. I worked with the Arkansas Greens extensively in putting them on the ballot twice (2006, and in 2007 for the 2008 race). I’m also subscribed to their yahoo group, which I read occasionally, and with greater frequency when I am in Arkansas as well as last winter when I was stuck sitting around on the computer all the time. The Arkansas Greens have run many candidates, and I did not get the impression that most of them were fake greens or covert Democrats, although Mr. Carroll apparently was, since he switched (back) to Democrat not too long after taking his seat.

  69. paulie Post author

    It’s good to see the Green Party reviving its presence on college campuses. A lot of the younger folks who supported Obama last year will be pretty disillusioned with the Democrats, and we need to give them an alternative in 2010.

    Good point.

    I’d same would be true for Libertarians, but it would be pretty hard to do with LPHQ, Root, et al. constantly painting us as a far right party in most people’s eyes, without even the good antiwar cred Ron Paul has.

    Talk about short sighted…

  70. VAGreen

    “Good point.

    I’d same would be true for Libertarians, but it would be pretty hard to do with LPHQ, Root, et al. constantly painting us as a far right party in most people’s eyes, without even the good antiwar cred Ron Paul has.

    Talk about short sighted…”

    Unfortunate for the Libertarians. Their stance against bailouts would have a good chance of resonating with the electorate next year.

  71. paulie Post author

    Very true.

    The bailouts are quite outrageous. I expect we agree on that.

    And Obama’s a warmonger – essentially Bush with a tan.

    Maybe new LP ED Wes Benedict will make a point of it. Otherwise, the College Greens will get many folks who might have otherwise been College Libertarians, especially if there was much organized effort for that.

  72. Michael Cavlan

    Paulie

    re #86

    My point is that in the history of Minneapolis politics, the Democrats have NEVER not run in a race here. hell, in the last election the democrats actually gerrymandered the past two elected Greens in office out, Dean Zimmermann and Natalie Johnson-Lee.

    Then we have the statement UNDER OATH of democrat hack Peter Wagenius that a deal WAS cut inn a meeting between Cam Gordon and Mayor Rybak.

    I also noted that Arkansas Green elected official Carrol had run in an uncontested race. As you correctly point out, Mr Carrol then changed into a Democrat.

    I am sure that there are good decent folks in the Arkansas GP that are working hard. same as some here in Minnesota and in other states.

    Unfortunately, their work is constantly undermined by the afore mentioned tyranny of the minority.

  73. Michael Cavlan

    Paulie

    Lou Novak is directing his nice pleasantries towards me.

    If you have any interest and 30 minutes of free time, listen. I even mention Mr Delegate Novak during the interview. I believe he was the person who was calling in but not getting connected.

  74. paulie Post author

    Not sure I even have sound on this hostel computer, plus it is right next to the TV in the common room and people come in to watch TV periodically, so I can’t for the time being.

    I’ll try to remember to listen sometime when I can.

  75. Michael Cavlan

    Paulie

    Cool. hey wait, with four most posts here, we can break the 100 responses.

    LOL

    that was my evil plan all along.

    //:-D>———

  76. The New New New New Reform Movement [?????????]

    known in English as Juvenal, was a Roman poet active in the late 1st and early 2nd century AD, author of the Satires. The details of the author’s life are unclear.

    In accord with the vitriolic manner of Lucilius – the originator of the genre of Roman satire – and within a poetic tradition that also included Horace and Persius, Juvenal wrote at least 16 poems in dactylic hexameter covering an encyclopedic range of topics across the Roman world.

    While the Satires are a vital source for the study of ancient Rome from a vast number of perspectives, their hyperbolic, comedic mode of expression makes the use of statements found within them as simple fact problematic ….

    From wikipedia, via Donald R. Lake

  77. Michael Cavlan

    ROFLMFAO

    Donald Lake AKA New New Reform pushes us closer to the over 100 post mark.

    Hip Hip Hooray for satire, Roman dudes named Juvenal and other such related stuff.

    My evil plan to pas the 100 mark is almost complete. Yes Pinky, my evil plan to take over the world is almost ready to be implemented.

    LOL

    Thanks Donald and Paulie

  78. paulie Post author

    The American culture will be just fine.

    Exhibit A Letter from Don Lake to Libertarian Party of West Virginia:



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    We are currently active in 20 states and growing. Our representatives have been screened to ensure that they are atheists, animal lovers, are moral / ethical with no criminal background, have the ability and desire to rescue your pet and the means to retrieve them and ensure their care for your pet’s natural life.

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