Chuck Baldwin: ‘States have both a constitutional and Natural Law right to secede’

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My son, Tim Baldwin, who is a constitutional attorney, recently engaged my friend, attorney Ed Vieira, Jr., in a spirited and intellectual written debate on the rightness or wrongness of State secession. Vieira took the unionist position that states do not have the constitutional right to secede. Tim took the freedomist position that states have both a constitutional and Natural Law right to secede (a position with which I firmly agree, as most readers know).

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64 thoughts on “Chuck Baldwin: ‘States have both a constitutional and Natural Law right to secede’

  1. Mark Seidenberg

    I have been upset with Baldwin since he got involved with the lockout of Poreutka at the
    Executive Committee of CP.

    Having lived in the South many years of my life,
    I remember how some of my teachers would talk
    about the Reconstructionist after the “War of Northern Agression”. Then in Sunday school
    the Rabbi would tell us how bad Reconstructionist Judism was and that Mordecai
    Kaplan was excummunicated (herem) for his
    Reconstructionist view. As a child I thought
    Reconstructionist Judism was the same thing
    as the Reconstructionist Acts 0f 1867.

    It is good that Tim Baldwin is a Freedomist. I am not over what Chuck Baldwin did to Michael
    but I am glade we share the same view on the
    rights of the states to secede.

    Please note that Rabbi Mordecai Kaplin founder
    of Reconstructionist Judaism was excummunicated in 1945 by a beth din (Court of
    Jewish Law) within the Assembly of the Union
    of Orthodox Rabbis of the United States, for
    his views doing away with Kapparot (Kapparos)
    {see Isaiah 11:9; Psalms 107: 17 – 20; Job 33: 23 – 24}.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2F-drjUwNU

    Lets sing the song by Major James Innes Randolph, C.S.A.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  2. Cody Quirk

    I have been upset with Baldwin since he got involved with the lockout of Poreutka at the
    Executive Committee of CP.

    = You misspelled his name, and personally, I’m glad Peroutka got locked out; at the time, he was spearheading the theocratic faction in the CP that was working on expelling Mormons and turn the Party into a political church. I also remember that his close friend, Scott Whiteman, had also made anti-Semitic comments as well.
    Are you aware of this Mark?
    I could show you the writings myself.

    Peroutka also was working hard on becoming the next National Chairman for the CP, but Tampa stopped his efforts.

    Peroutka went off the deep end when the IAP matter came up, I deeply regretted supporting him in 2004.
    I also took the liberty of throwing away the remaining yard signs of his that I kept over the years, once I found out about his involved with the Mormon-haters in the Party.

  3. Mark Seidenberg

    I have met Mr. Whiteman twice. He is an honorable young man. I do not believe he would
    make anti-semitic remarks. We did disagree how
    to deal with Nevada. He is 100 % pro-life like
    I am. I just take the view that Nevada is an internal problem for Nevada.

    Michael Peroutka got a raw deal by the Excutive
    Committee of the CP.

    The good news is the AIP voter registration is way up to 390,375 as of April 9, 2010 according
    to the California Secratary of State. In one county Markham Robinson and I worked the
    registration since the January 5, 2010 total is
    up by over 10.3 %.

    Now you calling Peroutka a “fuhrer” that is just
    sick talk on your part. Michael Peroutka family
    came from the Ukraine. You just have no idea
    what the German Nazi did to the people of the
    Ukraine.

    I have worked in the past with the Ukrainian-American Bar Association and found them
    all honorable men like Michael Peroutka and his
    brother (who I also met). When Medvid jumped
    ship on the Mississippi River they helped him pro bon0 (viz., the Ukrainian-American Bar Association).

    Look what Jim Clymer is doing now he is giving
    money to the GOP.

    Just in case John Lofton picks this up, a new hearing has been set for September 3, 2010
    in KING v. ROBINSON in Department 2,
    Solano County Superior Court at Fairfield, CA.
    This the third related case to KING v. BOWEN
    over the hijacking try of Jim King to remove
    Markham Robinson as AIP chairman.

    The AIP State Central Committee voted on June
    27, 2008 to join the America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan. That act of the AIP
    leaving took the CP from 3rd party status to 7th party status. If the Independent American Party goes away from CP also. CP will be totally off the map.

    Also the effort of get people to register in the
    Constitution Party of California has caused the
    Orange County Registration in the Constitution
    Party of California to go to a grand total of five.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  4. Don Grundmann

    ” The AIP State Central Committee voted on June 27, 2008 to join the America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan.”

    Response – This is the continuous lie of Mark Seidenberg. A minority of 5 of the 17 people on the committee voted as the majority was deliberately deceived regarding the secret PHONE meeting at which the fake disaffiliation vote was taken. Any growth of the AIP has been in response to the candidacy of Chelene Nightingale and the work of the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction led by duly elected Chairman Jim King. Mark Seidenberg proclaims his Jewishness but he is the only Jewish person that I have ever met that is a pathological and psychotic ultra corrupt liar. I do not hold such corruption against other Jewish citizens but others may not be so kind as the actions of Seidenberg bring disgrace upon the Jewish community just as the actions of Mark Robinson bring disgrace to the Christian community and the actions of Ed Noonan bring disgrace to the Mormon community. All 3 of these religious communities are smeared and degraded by having such outright and ultra corrupt liars claim membership within them.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  5. 21st Century secular saints .......... Lake

    Not!

    (Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks, er, ah, um, Qurik) “you calling Peroutka a “fuhrer” that is just
    sick talk on your part. Michael Peroutka family
    came from the Ukraine. You (Cody Banks, er, ah, um Quirk) just have no idea
    what the German Nazi did to the people of the
    Ukraine. ”

    [Is this the same Quirkie Guy whom makes snide remarks about my self and my long dead sainted mother ??????]

    “All 3 of these religious communities are smeared and degraded by having such outright and ultra corrupt liars ……..”

    [Is this the same Doctor Donald J. Grundmann who broad casts information of roving bans of Predatory Homo sexuals and public educators teaching youngster ‘sexual fisting’ ????????? And LDS, does Doctor Grundmann consider them ‘Christain’ or merely ‘Mormon’ ??????????]

  6. NewFederalist

    Well, well, well… THAT dirty laundry smells SO much better now that it has been aired!

  7. paulie Post author

    Mark Seidenberg, is reconstructionist Judaism different from reform Judaism? I’ve heard of reform Judaism, but never reconstuctionist.

  8. Ross Levin

    Not sure what it has to do with anything, but there are a few Reconstructionist synagogues in my area. I think they’re less rigid than any other type of Judaism. My (reform) rabbi described it to me as the Reconstructionist community follows religious practices, but not necessarily what’s in the Torah. For instance, a Reconstructionist group might decide to only eat organic instead of keeping kosher. At least that’s how I understand it, admittedly not as one myself.

  9. Cody Quirk

    “I have met Mr. Whiteman twice. He is an honorable young man.”

    = He is not, the man is so anti-Mormon that if we were ever put in a concentration camp, he would be the first to volunteer as a camp guard; his hatred of Mormons equally matches Ed Decker’s.

    “I do not believe he would
    make anti-semitic remarks.”

    = Lets take a look….

    http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=693
    (except) “…The Jews were rejected for their disobedience, and we Gentiles were chosen to replace them…”

    “We did disagree how
    to deal with Nevada. He is 100 % pro-life like
    I am.”

    = To the point that its impractical and more counterproductive to overturning Roe v. Wade.

    “I just take the view that Nevada is an internal problem for Nevada.”

    = And the problem got ‘solved’ at our 2008 State Convention.

    “Michael Peroutka got a raw deal by the Excutive Committee of the CP.”

    = He had it coming.

    “The good news is the AIP voter registration is way up to 390,375 as of April 9, 2010 according
    to the California Secratary of State. In one county Markham Robinson and I worked the
    registration since the January 5, 2010 total is
    up by over 10.3 %.”

    = IAP state-wide registration is at 4.3% as of March of this year.
    I’m also sure that Jim King and Don Grundmann have been contributing to the effort as well.

    Now you calling Peroutka a “fuhrer” that is just
    sick talk on your part.

    = That’s what he wanted to be in the CP. BTW, have you ever read Bill Shearer’s last articles on him?

    Michael Peroutka family
    came from the Ukraine. You just have no idea
    what the German Nazi did to the people of the
    Ukraine.

    = Some also cooperated with the Germans, I also understand they were also killing Poles as well at the time. However, I believe he is mainly Czech.

    I have worked in the past with the Ukrainian-American Bar Association and found them

    = He is not a honorable man, and stabbed the Utah CP in the back during the Nevada controversy.

    Look what Jim Clymer is doing now he is giving
    money to the GOP.

    = And yet ‘America’s Independent Party’ is endorsing Republican candidates left and right! Don’t be a hypocrite Mark.

    “Just in case John Lofton picks this up, a new hearing has been set for September 3, 2010
    in KING v. ROBINSON in Department 2,
    Solano County Superior Court at Fairfield, CA.
    This the third related case to KING v. BOWEN
    over the hijacking try of Jim King to remove
    Markham Robinson as AIP chairman.”

    = And speaking of John Lofton-

    http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1118&highlight=Jews

    This was a Q & A session he did with a ‘Christian Zionist’, John being the questionnaire…
    “…Q: Then, from our point of view — the Christian/Biblical viewpoint — all those not circumcised in their hearts are not real Jews!
    A: Well, you know —.
    Q: A real Jew is one who is a Jew inwardly, not outwardly.
    A: I’m not about to go there. I’m not about to say the Jewish people are not Jews….What point are you trying to make? Where are you trying to go with this? Are you wanting me to say that the Jews are not Jews?
    Q: I’m wanting you to say — from a Christian point of view — who is a Jew?
    A: (long pause) Well, from a Christian standpoint, obviously, a person who is born-again, is born-again of the Spirit and grafted into the root which is the lineage, the heritage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
    Q: But, isn’t Paul telling us a real Jew is one whose heart is circumcised? In other words, a real Jew is a Christian!…”

    I do have to admire John for one thing; he is quite bold and fearlessly outspoken about his views, as pathetic as they are.

    “The AIP State Central Committee voted on June
    27, 2008 to join the America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan. That act of the AIP
    leaving took the CP from 3rd party status to 7th party status. If the Independent American Party goes away from CP also. CP will be totally off the map.”

    = But did a majority of the state central committee voted to disaffiliate? Was the meeting announced to all members of the state central committee so all could attend?

    “Also the effort of get people to register in the
    Constitution Party of California has caused the
    Orange County Registration in the Constitution
    Party of California to go to a grand total of five.”

    = I believe the Jim King side is still encouraging people to register AIP.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party
    (Which is still legally disputed)

  10. Cody Quirk

    Paulie, I tried posting a comment here that instead was mark as spam, could you post it please?

  11. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk

    Did I make a mistake and mix-up Peroutka with a perogie? I must have been thinking of Ukrainian food.

    I do not know if his folks come from Eastern
    or Central Europe. I do know Michael Peroutka
    got a raw deal from Baldwin on the Executive
    Committee of CP with that lock out.

    I also know Michael Peroutka help me become a
    better constitutionalist via his course. Michael
    Peroutka is a good man he wants to stop the
    murder of unborn babies 100%

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  12. Don Grundmann

    ” I also know Michael Peroutka help me become a better constitutionalist via his course.”

    Response – Mark Seidenberg – If Michael Peroutka helped you to become a better constitutionalist then why did you have a fake PHONE meeting with only 5 in attendance ( out of a total of 17 committee members ) and then have a fake vote and produce fake papers to deceive the SOS office? Michael never taught you to be a liar.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  13. Cody Quirk

    Did I make a mistake and mix-up Peroutka with a perogie? I must have been thinking of Ukrainian food.

    I do not know if his folks come from Eastern
    or Central Europe. I do know Michael Peroutka
    got a raw deal from Baldwin on the Executive
    Committee of CP with that lock out.

    = You didn’t know that he’s mainly Czech?!
    He’s publicly talked about his Czechoslovakian heritage and even vacated in the Czech Republic a few years ago.
    You need to do your homework Mark.

  14. Trent Hill

    “Look what Jim Clymer is doing now he is giving
    money to the GOP. ”

    Please document this. I have never found any financial record of Clymer giving to the GOP. I have seen record of him giving to select GOP candidates, in Pennsylvania.

  15. Mark Seidenberg

    Trent Hill,

    I consider Mr. Clymer a friend, but made a bad
    political move by giving money to Toomy and
    doing the lock out of Peroutka. Peroutka was on
    the executive committee. and should not have been locked out.

    Here in Orange County, CA. I am informed that Larry Breazeale want to try a lockout in the
    Orange County Central Committee of the
    exofficio members to the County Central
    Committee from voting, viz., do a lockout
    of Pastor Wiley Drake (VP on the Keyes – Drake
    Ticket) to prevent the majority of the County
    Central Committee from reelecting me Orange
    County Chairman of the American Independent
    Party.

    In 2008 the organizational meeting of the Orange CountyCentral Committee was call by
    the Registrar of Voters at the courthouse in Santa Ana under the terms of the California Election Code. Larry goes of on a park in Brea
    with his wife and proclaims he is the Chairman
    of the Orange County Central Committee. When if fact I am the Chairman of the Central Committee of Orange County.

    I hope Mr. Breazeale will get with the program
    this year and show up at the organization meeting and be inclusive. But my current guess
    he will be trying to out the exofficio members
    such as be a problem. I hope I am wrong,

    Sincerely, Mark Seudenberg, Chairman,
    Orange County Central Committee AIP.

  16. Scott Whiteman

    Cody: Be careful who, and how, you attack. Define your terms. Antisemitism is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews. I have neither.

  17. Cody Quirk

    Your article was prejudiced on Jews, as is what you have been saying about Mormons as well.

    BTW, I am one-fourth Jewish from my mother’s side, so anti-Semitism is a concern for me too.

  18. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody,
    You state “I am one-fourth Jewish from my mother’s side.” Are you saying that one of
    your mothers parents was Jewish, viz., a paternal
    grandfather or paternal grandmother? If so which one?

    I did not come to the same conclusion that you
    did. Mr. Scott Whiteman is an honorable man,

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  19. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody,
    I just made an error in my question. Therefore,
    my question has just changed. Which one of your mother’s parents was Jewish, viz., the papa
    or mama?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party.

  20. Alexander S. Peak

    I do npt know what Mr. Vieira’s arguments were in favour of his unionist position, but I nevertheless fine myself asking:

    Why would any organisation be good if you were not allowed to leave the organisation after you joined the organisation?

    Any gang that prevents you from leaving after you’ve joined is an organisation worth opposing.

  21. Mark Seidenberg

    Thank you for your comment. On June 27, 20o8 the state central committee of the American Independent Party voted to join the
    America’s Independent Party. The Constitution
    Party asseverates that you can not leave us and
    states the AIP is now only a branch of the Constitution Party. The California Secretary of
    State states the AIP can leave the CP if the SCC
    wants to. We have been in court on this issue for
    for close to two years. Does the AIP have the
    right to end the affiliation with the CP. What is your view?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  22. Don Grundmann

    The AIP has a right to end affiliation with the CP AS THE RESULT OF AN HONEST VOTE. YOU , Mark SeidenRat ( being the coward that you are ), conducted a FAKE vote. Hence the AIP never disaffiliated from the CP. You were afraid that you could not win an honest vote so you lied to get a fake vote and produce the fake papers which you filed with the SOS office to deceive the state. You know that you lied because you have extended the trial time by running like the panicked dogs that you and your fellow liars are from legal service for months. If you had conducted an honest vote then why run from legal service? Why desperately try to find any technicality to stop the lawsuit? Why not accept legal service immediately so that you could defeat the REAL AIP ( the non-corruption faction of the party led by Chairman Jim King ) in court since you could prove that your vote was honest? Answer – You know that you had a corrupt and fake ” vote ” and that an honest trial would expose your fantastic corruption. Another day and another lie from the psychotic and sociopathic liar Mark SeidenRat.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  23. Just the tip of the ice berg .......... Lake

    To Don Grundmann // May 1, 2010:

    Thank you for your comment.
    But, as ususual with you [and Mister
    Cody and Sgt Lusseneide and Jim
    King and Ms Chelene Nightingale]
    the original verbage leaves more
    questions than answers!

    You criticize the judicial delay in
    a situation where the attorney for
    the plaintiff seems to be at fault,
    to the point of possible incompetence.

    Yet you cherry pick the non lawyer
    situation of the Nightingales as small
    claims court defendants whom are
    purposefully delaying the court date,
    possibly to after the June 8th Primary!

    In similar situation[s] one is completely
    ignored and thus commentated upon
    as you continue to rant about the other!

    Maybe, as a former Grundmann supporter
    I am just too biased to be objective about
    near similar situations. [Again, one centered
    on and involving sub par representation,
    the other, planned and purposable delay!]

    Thank good ness Doctor Donnie Poo is not
    a subjective zealot and unreasonable spokes
    person *sarcasm*

    What does Bill Lusseheide think of this
    situation ?????????

  24. Just the tip of the ice berg .......... Lake

    Scott Whiteman // Apr 27, 2010:
    “[Space Cadet Captain] Cody [Banks Quirk]:
    Be careful who, and how, you attack. Define your terms. Antisemitism is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews.”

    Buzzzzzzzzz! Wrong False Testament Breath!

    Like the fore parents of Lebanese Christians Comedian Danny Thomas and Consumer Advocate Ralph Nader: all tribes, communities or nations in the Biblical Crescent, the Levant (sp?), are considered ‘Semites’! Israeli Christians, Jews, Muslims! Palestinians of many stripes and all Jordanians (‘on the road to Damascus’) ! Duh!

  25. Just the tip of the ice berg .......... Lake

    Antisemitism refers specifically* to prejudice against Jews alone and in general,[3][4][23] despite the fact that there are other speakers of Semitic languages (e.g. Arabs, Ethiopians, or Assyrians) and that not all Jews speak a Semitic language.

    The term “anti-Semitic” has been used on occasion to include bigotry against other Semitic-language peoples such as Arabs……..”

    * and wrongly; if ya wanna say anti
    Jewish, then say anti Judaic ……..

    Say what you mean and mean what
    you say ………..

    Anti Semitic is a gross misrepresentation
    of the cultures of the Levant!

  26. -

    Who cares what Bill Lussenheide thinks of the situation. He is a Nobody trying be a somebody. He’s a window washer For Chris sakes!! A loud mouth..nut. Cultish personality religious extremist. I know people who know him personally….he has delusions of grandeur….what he doesen’t know is that people laugh behind his back and his ridiculous..rants. By election time he will have to cook up another scheme to gain attention. He and teabag hag Nightingale…the take-over of the AIP is their true goal. AIP!!! work dilgently and precise…to discredit these fake liars and thieves. Some sordid details about this scum of earth will be coming out soon. Go ahead gruntman and defend these scumbags….the truth is the truth!!

  27. -

    btw Lussenheide is not sgt…of anything…he is a sedition monger anti-american idiot!!

  28. Just the tip of the ice berg .......... Lake

    // May 1, 2010:

    btw [Bill] Lussenheide is not sgt…of anything…he is a sedition monger anti-american idiot!!

    [Lake: not much disagreement, mainly just trying to be polite! I mean is Don Grundmann really much of a medical practitioner ????? Should he even be currently licensed by Der Arnold’s http://www.chiro.ca.gov ???????? I am assuming that you are a present and duly registered AIP in California ………]

  29. Don Grundmann

    Don Lake – Relevant to your above comment – ” You criticize the judicial delay in
    a situation where the attorney for
    the plaintiff seems to be at fault,
    to the point of possible incompetence.’ – The ” incompetance comment comes from Mark Seidenberg – an outright and continuous liar. The lawyer did not run away from legal service for months – Mark Coward Robinson did. The trial delay is completely due to the cowardice of Robinson. Even today Robinson ( if he was telling the truth and truly believed in his case ) could tell the court – We want a trial NOW. We will delay no more. That way they could show how truthful they are that much faster and hence win that much faster. Will they do it? Not a chance since they have been lying from Day 1. Nightingales case is being dragged on to make a political example of her. If you had a debt and you sent checks to pay it back and then the checks were returned uncashed then what do you do? For Chelene she must let her enemies drag her through the mud ( of their creation ) with the claim(s) that she won’t pay, yada, yada, yada. Mr. Rodrigues can and will dream them all up. If anyone did such a thing to Don Lake I would be the first to stand in his defense and challenge the rat fink actions taken against him. Can Chelene expect a defense or an attack? So far it is only attack.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  30. Don Grundmann

    Stupid Don Lake – I was about to leave ” Stupid ” off and I would like to but then, yet again, you attack Bill Lussenheide by repeating totally assinine and idiotic comments from a total moron/idiot. Bill Lussenheide build a successful window washing company. Have you, or the moron who wrote the comments, built ONE, JUST ONE, successful company??? I say the answer is NO. And yet you, WITH NO KNOWLEDGE IN THE SLIGHTEST DEGREE OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, attack Bill and tear him down; a man who has infinitely more acheivements than you. THAT is why, and unfortunately only one reason why, I put ” Stupid ” in front of your name. What a disgrace you are for spreading such witless crap!!

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  31. Don Grundmann

    Stupid Don Lake – I must comment again that you complained about Cody attacking your mother. I did not see such attack but NO true mother would condone her son spreading such outrageous lies as the ones you spread about Chelene and Bill. It is YOU, and you alone, that brings shame upon your family name by your own actions.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  32. Mark Seidenberg

    To Don Lake,

    Look where your attack is coming from. It is Mr.
    Disinformation himself, viz., Dr. Don Grundmann. The man who claims to be a Vice
    Chairman of the AIP because of an event of
    June 6, 2008 or June 27, 2008 or June 28 – 29,
    2008. Grundmann got the name of THREE DATES DON, because he tells so much disinformation he can not get the dates strights
    between one lie and another lie.

    As of September 3, 2008, Dr. Don Grundmann
    was no longer been an officer of the American
    Independent Party. When Dr. Grundmann was
    seated as a delegate to the AIP State Central
    Committee on July 5, 2008, he did so as a
    National Committeeman, based on his election
    to that post of September 3, 2006 at the City of
    Rancho Cordova, Sacramento County, California. His spot as a Nominee Delegate status for winning the U. S. Senate primary of 2006, became vacant upon his election to the
    office of National Committeeman of the AIP
    on September 3rd, 2006.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  33. Don Grundmann

    Mark Seidenrat – Since your Chairman MarkRat Robinson is too cowardly to debate and Ed NooRat is too cowardly I again challenge you to a debate. The debate will be recorded and put on YouTube so that everyone can see you exposed for the psychotic liar that you are. I will expose that your comment above and all of your other comments have been total lies. Hence I put the challenge to you – stand up and defend your lies. Prediction – You, like RobinRat and NooRat, are too cowardly to ever debate. You know how you will be torn apart and exposed as the psychotic sociopathic liar that you are.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  34. -

    A bankrupt Radical (chelene Frightingale) and a window washer (bill Lussenheide) seek higher power for ALL citizens by CN running for governor..and BL running for congress!! Now tell me…what in their background would want any american to vote for these people to represent them. What in their background or education would make them viable?? Seriously, What could a homeschooling mother…actually know about running the finances and laws OF CALIFORNIA?? Same with Window washer Lussenheide. What in his experiences washing windows makes me or anyone feel confident in electing him? His stance is not based on reality. Ending the Fed ..stop taxes..ITS NUT TALK!! Its not realistic! These creatures don’t really seek to win,. there is an article about cn that states “she wishes to just go around the state and have people hear ‘HER OPINION!” Don’t you see, thats the real reason these people are running they seek attention…and the few mindless rads that become their rah rah team fuel these narcisstic possibly dangerous…anti-americans!!

  35. Don Grundmann

    For the information of readers of this thread the author, ” – ,” of comment #39 above is Mark Seidenberg whose personal corruption is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. He is the same person that I challenged to a debate in comment #38 but as shown by his actions he is too cowardly to debate as he knows such an occurance would expose him via the Internet/YouTube as the ultra cowardly corrupt liar that he is.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  36. Cody Quirk

    Cody,
    You state “I am one-fourth Jewish from my mother’s side.” Are you saying that one of
    your mothers parents was Jewish, viz., a paternal
    grandfather or paternal grandmother? If so which one?

    = My great grandmother was full-Jewish.

    I did not come to the same conclusion that you
    did. Mr. Scott Whiteman is an honorable man,

    = Maybe because you might be a self-hating Jew, subconsciously?

  37. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody,

    Get over this issue of part Jewish. If your Great
    Mother was Jewish then her children are all Jewish no parts.

    Next, Scott Whiteman believe like I do that abortion should not be done 100 %. I take
    that to mean he is an honorable man.

    I am not self-hating. I love the Torah.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  38. -

    If you want to see the real don gruntman in action watch his youtube rant against gays while hiding behind a sign he is carrying. I am not seidenberg you assine creep. Can’t you deal with the fact that other people dislike you and the other 2 stooges you roll in the feces with? You really need to get some type of mental evaluation, you anti-gay bigot!!

  39. Don Grundmann

    ” – ” – 1) You are very sick as only a sick psychotic would put out such lies against Bill and Chelene. 2) You are a liar. Therefore if not Seidenberg you are his twin. And ( thankfully ) he doesn’t have a twin.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  40. Don Simon

    window washer excoger Bill Lussenheide for congress ca-45 I have known Bill off and on for about 20 years… he had many issues with the church and tried to start a lot of trouble within the church. Looks like he found another organization to hassle. As for a window washing company..it was just him washing windows…I read his anti-immigration blogs I think he is mad because the mexicans are biting into his business. Politics is the last thing I would think this dude would be involved with as we in the church were anti voting.

  41. "Multiple Liar[s] ??????" .......... Lake

    Mark Seidenberg // May 2, 2010:

    “To Don Lake, Look where your attack is coming from. It is Mr. Disinformation himself, viz., Dr. Don Grundmann. The man who claims to be a Vice
    Chairman of the AIP ………..”

    [a] sexual fisting steer manure ……..

    [b] lied about reviewing Nightingale’s court papers …….

    [c] lied about the (non existent) ‘Constitution Party of California’ ……..

    [d] taught Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk every thing he knows about ethics ?????????

  42. Don Grundmann

    Mark SeidenRat – Using ” Don Simon ” as yet another fake name shows how desperate you are. You refuse a debate challenge and attack Bill with stupid lies and slurs. This just shows, yet again, how weak, pathetic, and cowardly you are. You have never built ONE successful business in your miserable existence unlike Bill who has built 2!! You are simply a parasite on humanity in addition to being a traitor to the nation.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  43. don simon

    If you think I am this seidenberg…how would I know about Lussenheide’s prior marriage to a former Church of God member…who fled the state with their children to get away from..abuse he was charged with?

  44. don simon

    ask him about that Mr. grundman. My wife was very good friends with his former wife we all attended “the worldwide church of God.” My wife knows all the details…as does a paster..if you want names and addresses they are available.

  45. Don Grundmann

    ” don simon ” – Well Mark I know that it is you writing due to many factors. I also know that you have investigated Bill from top to bottom. Why? Because your corruption faction of the party can’t and won’t debate the issues and instead must smear Bill and Chelene with anything and everything that you can since you otherwise have no hope of winning and protecting your corruption. Of course the reason that you write under ” don simon ” is that you are ( rightfully ) fearful of the libel/slander consequences of your lies against Bill. So you insinuate, use 3rd party heresay, etc. So here is my 2 part challenge to you – 1) Accuse Bill UNDER YOUR OWN NAME. Prediction – since you are a God forsaken and damned coward there is no chance of that. 2) Put out EXACTLY what you claim Bill has done. Prediction – You know that it is all a lie so you dare not do this. Instead you will send the so-called information to The Fool and use him, due to your own cowardice and his willing stupidity, as your surrogate. Meanwhile I will continue to inform the public, via TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com and all other forums, that YOU are the criminal in addition to being a traitor and an enemy of humanity. I predict that you will not dare to accept my challenge. You will send The Fool to stupidly do your dirty work for you.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  46. don simon

    Mr. grundmann, I don’t really know who you are or others..my wife showed methese sights as we were associated with Bill from our Church. My wife was very good friends with Bills first wife…if you don’t believe me ask Bill himself about his first wife. Also, his children I presume are grown by now.
    His first wife fled the state and moved many miles away…my wife stayed in contact with her…but, she moved a few more times and lost track of each other.
    It was a scandal back then, as you could not file for divorce without asking a church elder for their permission. We have since left that church as I think Bill has…But, there were allegations that were shocking to all of us. Thats all I am saying about it now…please don’t refer to me I don’t know who you are, and don’t like threats against me.

  47. Don Grundmann

    ” don simon ” – ” Allegations.” ” Shocking.” “…abuse he was charged with…” Mark, you put out the words and phrases to attack Bill from the shadows because 1) since you are the coward that you are you hide behind ” don simon,” and 2) Bill was never, and has never been, charged with any crime of any sort. You know that. But you hide behind a fake name and make the lie. How sick is that!!! And then you write ” Thats all I am saying about it now.” Of course, because 1) there is nothing more to ” say,” and 2) you already have achieved your objective by smearing Bill with your words and phrases – which you can’t back up. But this event is SOOOOO typical of you. It is a perfect expression of your true character that you hide behind a fake name and accuse someone of child abuse. That is the quintessence of Mark Seidenberg. And of course your character is no different from your fellow rats. We can toss the names Keyes, Hoefling, Robinson, Noonan, and Seidenberg into a hat, reach in and pull out a name and get the same result – the lie(s) from behind a fake name, the inuendos, the ” we’ll be telling more later,” yada, yada, yada. It is the same sick character, coming from the same fountain of overwhelming corruption and evil, that writes ” don’t like threats against me.” Well if you REALLY ARE ” don simon ” the ” threat ” was not against you. But you by your own writing inherently acknowledge that ” the shoe fits.” Bottom line – 1) You’re a sick guy as you so well demonstrate. 2) No matter what sick things you do your corruption and the evil you represent and love will be going down to defeat.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  48. GR

    Bill Lussenheide needs to change his fake aipblog site as it turns into constitution party…which is a misrepresenting of the REAL AIP webpage. Just more deceit from this group…fake liars and cheaters…real site is aipca.org

  49. Don Grundmann

    GR – Obviously you are yet another liar in a long turd train of supporters of the corruption of Mark Robinson. The REAL AIP is indeed found at AIPCALIF.BLOGSPOT.COM. and I am proud to be –

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  50. Don Grundmann

    comments c, d, and e above demonstrate exactly why YOU are ” The Fool.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  51. GR

    Quit lying dg that is a made-up blog site….you are a sick mentally unstable psychopath. aipca.org IS THE AIP WEBSITE….btw you act like some paranoid unstable jerk. YOU ARE THE LIAR…you never give any real proof…some rambling nut spew …you are the liar you fake quack doctor!!…

  52. Don Grundmann

    ” GR ” and ” The Fool ” – 2 morons of morons, idiots of idiots, nitwits of nitwits. You are both an inspiration to countless people who can say – ” My God, thanks for my not being an utter, total, and complete stupid fool like those 2.” The more people see your stupidity the more people with turn to God in thanks and humility for saving them from being complete psychotic fools like you 2 are.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  53. Oh come on .......... Lake

    and, if GR is a California registrant of the American Independent Party (as there is, and never has been, a California Constitution Party), his vote counts as much as your’s and more than snide hit man wack job Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk, late of Nevada …….

  54. Cody Quirk

    Get over this issue of part Jewish. If your Great
    Mother was Jewish then her children are all Jewish no parts.

    = Nope, she married a Gentile Frenchman and didn’t raise her kids in the Jewish faith.

  55. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody,

    According to Jewish Law the immediate descendents of all femaile Jews including apostates are Jewish as are those “of all female
    descendants”.

    Therefore, if your Jewish great grandmother’s
    daughter was your maternal grandmother, then
    welcome to the Tribe!

    Under the Law of Return you would be a Dual
    Citizen of the United States and Israel. By treaty
    between the United States and Israel both countries recognize the dual citizen status if the
    maternal grandmother was the daughter of that
    Jewish great grandmother.

    I know the LDS church has great resources to prove that fact.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  56. Buffet at Sizzler

    The article on Rand paul from the hufftington post how the constitution party is anti-gay believes that slavery was ohay and that we should go back to biblical times…..Lets see how many of the followers Lussenheide and Nightingale come to the defense of THEIR PARTY…….

  57. Don Grundmann

    ” Buffet at Sizzler ” – A) Homosexuality is an emotional pathology which results from the breakdown of the family unit. The Constitution Party is dedicated to protecting the family unit and additionally and especially the children of our nation from attack by the homosexual community. B) You are lying that the CP believes that slavery was OK. The CP is the only major national party fighting the most racist organization in the history of the nation – Planned Parenthood as documented at blackgenocide.org. Summation – You are a lying rat. Therefore you must be, yet again, Mark Seidenberg writing under a fake name.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

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