LNC Member Scott Lieberman endorses Wayne Root for Chair

“Political Parties exist to put their political philosophy into practice by electing their members to public office. To do that, the Party needs members, money, and activists. By his numerous appearances on cable television and nationally syndicated radio shows, Wayne Root has shown that he can get the Libertarian Party far more publicity than any previous LNC Chair. I admire Mr. Root’s willingness to work very, very hard to get the Libertarian Party positioned as America’s Third Party. For those reasons, I strongly endorse Wayne Root for Libertarian National Committee Chair.

My friend and fellow Santa Clara County, California resident Mark Hinkle is a very dedicated and hard working Libertarian activist. I hope he runs for LNC At-Large at the 2010 Libertarian Convention, and I hope he wins one of those At-Large slots.”

-Scott Lieberman

Region 2 Alternate, Libertarian National Committee


And updating yesterday’s post, Wayne also sent us a separate list of just the past and present state chairs, vice chairs and executive directors that endorsed him, for those who don’t have the time to read his entire list of endorsements:

“As I continue my journey with the Libertarian Party, I meet a lot of very good people. They have principles, motivation, and a hope for the future. EACH AND EVERY ONE of them has a natural or God-given talent that can help the Libertarian Party. As a leader in one of the largest state affiliates (top 5), I also realize that we must place the correct people, with a specific skill-set, in correct roles. We have done just that in Ohio.

That is why I endorse Wayne Allyn Root for LNC Chair. He not only has the talent to take the LP to the next level, but his energy is like a magnet that will draw in more people with needed skill-sets. This is our time to “build and market the LP brand” in a manner that resonates with millions of Americans who are looking for an alternative to the two old major parties. Let’s do this not just for ourselves, but the future generations that will follow. Good luck to Wayne Allyn Root.”

Kevin J. Knedler

Chair of the Libertarian Party of Ohio Executive Committee

Lifetime member of the LP

*My endorsement is my personal opinion and not that of the Libertarian Party of Ohio. I encourage everyone to vote with their conscious, but to please think of the future of this country and its’ citizens.

“Fellow Libertarians,


This is a time of significant opportunity for the Libertarian Party to elect Libertarians to office. But we must take advantage of it in order to be a catalyst for positive change as a political party. Wayne Allyn Root has demonstrated time and again his ability to promote Libertarian values and Libertarian principles to a large and wide group of receptive voters who know little about us. He understands focus and timing, quickly and efficiently directing his efforts towards voters who are finally ready to listen. He has the attributes, drive and talent to become a nationally known and positive figure in American politics. As the leader of the party, and with his talented team of supporters, he can make the Libertarian Party a major political force and set the groundwork to make it the major political party in America.

Wayne will lead the party to establish the foundation necessary to elect Libertarians in large numbers, thus driving our government in a Libertarian direction and causing the party to start to regularly fulfill its mission.

Wayne will lead the Libertarian Party to grow and flourish as never before, so that it can finally achieve the prominence in the National debate that our ideals on governance deserve. Please join with me and support Wayne Allyn Root for National Chair of the Libertarian Party.”

-Mark Rutherford
 2010 Candidate for LP National Vice-Chair


Chairman, Atlas! Liberty PAC

Chairman, Libertarian Party of Indiana, 2000-2007

Member Libertarian National Committee, 2001-2006

“The opportunities presented to the Libertarian Party are enormous, more so than ever. The time is now to brand, market and expand the Libertarian message like never before to a broader audience. While I have great respect for all our candidates running for National Chair, one is uniquely positioned to build the party- to raise money-to lead the organization to a new and higher level. That individual is Wayne Allyn Root.

I enthusiastically endorse his candidacy for National Chair and it will be my privilege to cast my vote for him in St. Louis.”

Louis R. Jasikoff,

Chair Northeast Pennsylvania Libertarian Party, Former Chair New Jersey Libertarian Party

“Wayne Allyn Root has supported the Libertarian Party of Indiana over the past 2 years by appearing at a kick off fundraiser in December, 2008 for our Secretary of State race and at LPIN State conventions in 2008, 2009 and 2010, In fact, we might make him an honorary Hoosier!

Wayne consistently presents the Libertarian Party as a valid political alternative to the two old parties and as Chair, will lead the LP to new levels of candidates, activism and fundraising. At the St Louis convention I will proudly cast my vote for LNC Chair for Wayne Allyn Root.”

-Sam Goldstein, Chair

Libertarian Party of Indiana

“The battle to maintain freedom is constant and everlasting. The strength required to stand fast for your principles can be immense. Having been a candidate for office, the chairman of a state party for four years, and a continuing volunteer, I am intimately familiar with what it takes to be successful. Friends have been lost, family has been alienated, money and time has been spent. These are some of the sacrifices that a defender of freedom makes. Wayne Root has made some of these sacrifices and not only has he continued to push forward but he has excelled. Wayne’s dedication and energy devoted to the cause of liberty is unparalleled. The LP needs a leader who not only communicates the Libertarian message well but one who lives it. A businessman, a home school parent, an independent thinker, Wayne is the ideal choice to head the Libertarian Party. My vote for Chairman of the Libertarian Party will be going to Wayne Root. The time has come for the LP to lead this nation and Wayne is the man to be out front.”

-Travis Nicks

Member, Judicial Committee of LP National

Former Chairman of Libertarian Party of Colorado

“Several years ago I was losing hope that the Libertarian Party would be the vehicle to return America to its libertarian roots of individual liberty and small government. I was willing to allow my Libertarian Party dues expire. Then Wayne Allyn Root announced the he was leaving the Republican party and joining the Libertarian Party. Watching Wayne working tirelessly to promote Liberty and the Libertarian Party, bringing to the Party his enthusiasm, energy and dedication to the cause of limited government and individual freedom has been one of the main reasons I have stayed with the Party. Wayne has pr oven time and time again that he can gain positive media attention for the Libertarian Party. For these reasons I endorse Wayne Allyn Root for the Libertarian Party National Chairman.”

-Wilbur N. Wood III

Chairman. Libertarian Party of Virginia

“Wayne Allyn Root has earned my support for LNC Chair. I must admit I’ve come late to the WAR party, but I don’t give my support easily. I’ve watched Wayne Allyn Root closely the past two years and he’s certainly earned my endorsement. I wish the LP had more activists like Wayne.

I’m excited to have such a powerful spokesperson leading the LP. Wayne Allyn Root will give the LP

a highly skilled communicator that will bring us positive attention, especially from media (where he shines). Already a daily presence (via his endless interviews and speaking engagements), WAR is what our party needs. I look forward to seeing his energetic and enthusiastic presence on TV next year as he leads our party to becoming the viable alternative we all want.”

-Joseph P. Silvestri

Chairman – Libertarian Party of Nevada

“Wayne Allyn Root, is the person we need now in our Party to become National Chair. He is a very positive Libertarian, and wants us as a Party to move forward. To run candidates for office, and win. We need a spokesperson for our Party that can get out there on TV, Radio, and Internet to promote the Libertarian Party to its fullest potential. Someone that can sit next to a Democrat, or Republican, and get them to be quiet long enough to talk about the Libertarian Principles.

He’s willing to go to different States to help Fund Raise for our State Parties. Our country needs our Party now to push the other two to the side, in order to create a Libertarian Society, and return our individual liberties and economic freedom. We have come a long way as a Party in 39 years, and I know some people are afraid that our Libertarian Principles are going to be washed up, or diluted. What Wayne Allyn Root is doing is putting our Principles in user friendly format, once people get hooked they do more research into our principles, and find out they are more Libertarian then they first thought. I will be one that will make sure our Libertarian Priniciples will not be compromised. We need Positive Energy, and Growth.

The three most important duties of a National Chair are being a good Spokesperson, Fundraiser, and Campaigner. We hire an Executive Director, and Staff to take care of all of the Administrative Duties. Wayne is going to have the Vice Chair be apart of the team, that will work very closely with our National Staff, all the State Chairs, and himself.

This is very important to make sure we have the best team in place to move our Party in the direction for positive growth, winning elections, and making our Party known in every household in America. I support Wayne Allyn Root for National Chair, and Mark Rutherford for National Vice Chair.

One thing that I will ask all Libertarians is whoever becomes our new National Chair, we need to get behind them to move our Party forward, if we do nothing for two years where will that get us? Another 4 years of Democrats in the White House in 2012. This is the time for the Libertarian Party, so let’s make the best of it, we are making a very important decision on Memorial Weekend.

-Lupe Diaz,

State Chair, Libertarian Party of Illinois

“My Fellow Libertarians,

I write this letter to declare my endorsement and support for Wayne

Allyn Root in his bid to become the next LNC chair. In the way of

establishing my own credibility with respect to this endorsement, I

offer the following:

1. I have been a Libertarian since 1990. Since that time, I

have served on my State Committee in a variety of capacities

including State Chair, served six years as the Oregon party’s

Executive Director, and have served on the LNC.

2. I was my party’s nominee for Oregon governor in 1998,

managed several high profile Libertarian campaigns, and won five

local non-partisan elections to public office. I have helped

almost a dozen other Libertarians win election to office. I

currently serve as an elected commissioner and board president

for a water district serving 220,000 people and businesses like

the Nike world headquarters.

3. I have successfully lobbied three election reform bills

through the Oregon legislature which were signed into law,

served as a senior legislative aide in the Oregon senate, and

spoke to any number of policy makers as a substitute host for a

local talk radio show.

In doing all of the above, I have some to learn what it takes to build a

political party: One needs the ability to communicate effectively and

reach many, many, people. One needs the ability to build relationships

and extend a hand to many kinds of people. One needs an entrepreneurial

spirit a willingness to take reasonable risks, and the courage to put

their own name, reputation and fortune on the line. One needs

tremendous enthusiasm and the energy needed to turn that enthusiasm into

action. Finally, one needs a vision for success and some kind of road

map to take us there.

Wayne Allyn Root is the only candidate for LNC Chair who possesses

enough of all of these qualities to lurch our party out of the margins

and into the center of political discourse. As Americans, we are losing

our freedoms so rapidly that the LP can no longer continue to plod

forward at the rate we have. We’ve got to start moving, and Wayne Allyn

Root is the one to propel us to our next level of success.”

-Richard P. Burke

Libertarian Party of Oregon

“In today’s America, we in the Libertarian Party are presented with a

great opportunity. My generation, and the generation after mine, are large,

broad groups ready to hear and learn about the Libertarian message, in greater

numbers than we’ve seen in decades. Even the older generations are

more open to Liberty. People are starting to figure out that despite

the rhetoric, government only gets more intrusive, more wasteful and

more ridiculous every day; no matter who is in charge.

Since our inception, we’ve had the most consistent, freedom-loving

platform; rooted in liberty and based on the libertarian philosophy.

But, as we know from experience, philosophy and rhetoric alone simply

aren’t enough.

Republicans often run as Libertarians, but once elected they govern

like big-government Democrats. We know from the successes of 1994,

and 1980, that the libertarian message is appealing to the American

public. But having the best and most-consistent, liberty-loving

platform and philosophy just isn’t enough, as history has shown us.

We are poised to see a repeat of 1994 and 1996, or more probable a

repeat of 1980 and 1984, in national politics. Republicans are again

running on “Liberty,” but as history always repeats itself, they will

abandon any real semblance of Liberty in exchange for slush-funds and

back-room deals.

Therefore, while every candidate for National Chair has at least one

skill the LP needs to develop, it is my opinion that there is only one

candidate that can take our party to the next level. We need someone who

can market and sell the Libertarian Party; to sell our message to the

American people. We need someone with experience

and success at marketing and selling; with the charisma, energy and

the drive to see us to the next level.

We need our party to be taken seriously, so when the next Harry

Browne, Ron Paul, Ed Clark, etc. decide to make a run for President,

as a Libertarian in 2012 or 2016, that they are a political force with

a legitimate chance of winning.

We must take advantage of the prime situations currently presented to

us; to expand our numbers, expand our finances, expand our influence,

and expand our list of office-holders across America.We need to inform

the American public, through a modern sales and

marketing campaign, that America needs the Libertarian Party.

And that’s why the Libertarian Party needs Wayne Allyn Root as our next chair.”

-Ken Moellman

Chair, Libertarian Party of Kentucky

“For the last several years, I have been establishing election goals and building the Libertarian Party within our State. I have firsthand experience in what it takes to get people interested and dedicated to our purpose. It is with great confidence that I endorse Wayne Allyn Root for Chair of the LNC. Wayne has the necessary leadership and goal focused skills required to take this party to the next level. I offer my unwavering support for Mr. Root and encourage others to vote for him in the upcoming election for LNC Chair. The people in America are waiting for this Party to become all it promises to be. Wayne is the person to make this happen.”

-Danny Bedwell, Chair

Libertarian Party of Mississippi

“I endorse Wayne A. Root for LP National Chair. I expect Libertarians to think and reach their own conclusions. This is Politics not Religion. We do not need “True Believers”… we need people of action who can think through situations efficiently and lay out a plan of action based on the changing landscape. We need warriors not believers. Wayne (W.A.R.) is such a warrior. I blindly follow no one. I blindly follow no creed. I am an independent sovereign. I expect no less from any leader. Wayne A. Root is the right man (W.A.R.rior) for the job right now. This is a fight for control of a country. We need warriors. We need feet on the ground, hands in the offices, and mouths at meetings. Let’s go to W.A.R. people!”

-T. Lee Horne, III

Chairman, Libertarian Party of Louisiana

Since first hearing Wayne speak 2 years ago, I’ve thought that he would be a great choice as the ’12 LP presidential candidate. That said, I was hesitant to commit my support in his bid to also head the party. Wayne’s appearance at the LPWI convention last month pulled me into his camp. I was most impressed with the way his message was received by loyal party members and I think the way he frames the debate will appeal to a majority of Americans, not just libertarians. Philosophical purity is a wonderful thing,but it hasn’t done much to change the course in which our country is heading. Now is our time and we can’t afford to not be there for all the Americans who don’t like the direction the other two parties have led us.

I believe Wayne Allyn Root has the communication skills, energy, and ability to raise money to take the LP to the next level.

– Ben Olson III Chairman, Libertarian Party of Wisconsin

“I believe the next two years are crucial for the Libertarian Party. We need a strong presence to make the case that libertarianism, the Libertarian Party, and the thousands of hard working libertarian volunteers ARE the answer in American government. We need a persuasive cheerleader for our team as libertarianism continues to go mainstream! No other leader in the Libertarian Party has worked harder over the last two years to put our message in front of new audiences like Wayne Allyn Root.

I’ve also had experience working with Mark Rutherford on a daily basis to grow our Libertarian Party in Indiana. I can testify that the wealth of experience in party building that Mark will bring to the team is significant. Our national office will be greatly strengthened by his counsel. Together, Root and Rutherford will help all of us achieve the goal of a more libertarian society by increasing the professionalism and public profile of the national LP.”

-Chris Spangle,

Executive Director of the Libertarian Party of Indiana

“As a member of the National Libertarian Party Platform Committee and an active volunteer with the Libertarian Party of Ohio, I fully believe Wayne Root is the most qualified person to lead the Libertarian Party out of the political basement. With his energetic personality, constant media attention and pragmatic Libertarian views, the Libertarian Party needs Wayne Root as the LNC chair.”

-Paul F. Campbell

Member National Libertarian Party Platform Committee

Libertarian Party of Ohio

“I am proud to endorse Wayne Root for LNC Chair. Wayne has been a tireless promoter of liberty, reaching out to millions of voters and working to bring them into the Libertarian Party. I have personally watched Wayne accept advice and criticism, then internalize it to become a more effective promoter of liberty.”

-Michael Johnston

Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of Ohio

Political Director of the Libertarian Party of Ohio

91 thoughts on “LNC Member Scott Lieberman endorses Wayne Root for Chair

  1. Chuck Moulton

    It would be interesting to see an actual numerical tally of endorsements though.

    Root:
    x/51 current state chairs
    x/23 current LNC members
    x/? current and past LNC chairs

    Hinkle:
    x/51 current state chairs
    x/23 current LNC members
    x/? current and past LNC chairs

    etc.

  2. paulie Post author

    @ 2 Hmmm. Not sure I would want to take the time to do something that challenging, but I wouldn’t mind seeing it if someone else wants to do that.

    Re #1, understandable, but a lot of our readers (especiallly casual readers who don’t comment or read comments) don’t follow this stuff nearly as closely as you or I do, so it may still be news to them. Mainly, I’m thinking Wayne just wanted to stay on the front page 🙂

  3. Brian Holtz

    Dakota Root has been on the LNC as a rep or alternate since 1996? Wow, she just keeps getting more and more impressive….

    @2 don’t forget past LP presidential nominees.

  4. Nicholas Sarwark

    @2 don’t forget past LP presidential nominees.

    Wouldn’t want to forget them. Mr. Hospers, whose last public endorsement was for George W. Bush for President, endorses Wayne Root.

  5. paulie Post author

    Bob Barr has also endorsed Wayne Root. I’m not aware of any other chair candidates who have received endorsements from former presidential nominees, although 1996 VP nominee Jo Jorgensen endorses Hinkle, and presumably 2008 VP candidate Wayne Root endorses Wayne Root. 🙂

  6. paulie Post author

    So that leaves:

    Badnarik. Haven’t heard an endorsement, but Myers is from his home state and Phillies worked on his campaign, so I would imagine they might have the inside track.

    Browne. I’m not aware of any way to contact him directly in the afterlife, but Carla Howell from the Browne/Cloud “machine” endorsed Hinkle.

    Marrou. No idea.

    Ron Paul. I seriously doubt he would stoop to make an LNC chair endorsement at this point, but it would be a major coup and probably decide the race if he did.

    Bergland. Dunno. He was part of the “Browne/Cloud machine,” but I don’t know if that would carry over necessarily.

    McBride, I think, is no longer alive either.

  7. Brian Holtz

    Yes, a Ron Paul endorsement would indeed probably decide the race. Hancock suggests that if he wins he could bring the “lovelution” into the LP, and he also mentions that he talks to Ron Paul somewhat regularly. I wonder whether/why Hancock hasn’t tried to get a Ron Paul endorsement?

  8. R. Lee Wrights

    Re: #10

    Perhaps, and this is purely speculation as I haven’t asked Mr. Hancock, but perhaps he realizes that an endorsement from an elected/sitting Republican congressman might seem inappropriate to some in a Libertarian party race.

  9. paulie Post author

    OK, so, slightly biased question: Does one Ed Clark endorsement outweigh two endorsements from presidential candidates who combined got far fewer popular votes?

    (and please don’t compare electoral college votes, lol)

  10. paulie Post author

    perhaps he realizes that an endorsement from an elected/sitting Republican congressman might seem inappropriate to some in a Libertarian party race.

    Sure, that would seem inappropriate to some, but I think they would be greatly outnumbered by those who would be swayed by a hypothetical Paul endorsement in a positive way.

  11. Robert Milnes

    The LP is in deep shit. Predominated by rightists. Plus the powers that be are promoting Root & discouraging all others. This adds up to Root LP leader & the Pauls suck the air out of any REAL libertarian campaign in 2012. Root will deliver LP wherewithall-treasury, contributions, volunteers, votes, to GOP & Tea partiers. 2008 do-over with tea.

  12. Denver Delegate

    C’mon, California LP.

    You can do better than keep sending neo-con Lieberman to advocate his capitulation and compromise agenda to the LNC.

  13. JT

    Paulie: “OK, so, slightly biased question: Does one Ed Clark endorsement outweigh two endorsements from presidential candidates who combined got far fewer popular votes?”

    Another question: Does one endorsement from *anybody* for an LNC race weigh anything to Libertarians? Unless that person is Ron Paul, I don’t think so. I highly doubt any delegate is going to choose based on a single person’s endorsement, even a past presidential nominee.

    It could be different if a candidate has received a far larger number of endorsements compared to his opponents. But even then I doubt that’s going to sway that many more minds. The delegates are going to make their own decisions based on what they think, not based on what anyone else thinks. A single endorsement is generally meaningless in and of itself.

  14. paulie Post author

    I don’t really see making a new post for each of these but these just came in from Wayne…

    “Wayne Allyn Root has proven great leadership in being an entrepreneur. He has built businesses from the ground up and he has succeeded by doing that. Wayne is what we call a true American success story. If we want to continue calling the LP the party of principal, then we need to elect WAR as our Chairman. Look at his record of success. If he is that successful in his businesses then just think how successful he can make the LP. WAR is a man of vision and integrity. It’s time to shape the LP’s image on the national political scene and elect Wayne Allyn Root for the LP National Chair. I am officially endorsing Wayne Allyn Root for LP national Chair. WAR- for the success of the LP!”

    -Parker Ward

    18-year old Libertarian candidate for Mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana

    “Wayne Allyn Root may well be the Libertarian Party’s last best hope for returning this country to its Constitutional origins. His enthusiasm for freedom is unsurpassed. We need another ten WARRIORS like him. I wholeheartedly endorse him for President of the National Party.”

    -Carlos A. Rodriguez

    Libertarian Candidate U.S. Congress- California District 28

  15. paulie Post author

    Trent to IPR list: “Parker Ward was also, in the previous 12 months, also a GOP candidate for Mayor and a CP candidate for City Council. “

  16. Rachel Hawkridge

    “Parker Ward was also, in the previous 12 months, also a GOP candidate for Mayor and a CP candidate for City Council. “

    Well that makes him qualified to endorse LP Chair!

  17. JT

    Paulie: “JT, there you go spoiling all the overdramatized fun with the boring truth…”

    Sorry, Paulie. I’ll keep my nose out of this one 🙂

  18. From OHIO

    Let’s set the record straight Milnes. The LP in Ohio is NOT in the dumper and is actually growing! Don’t paint your brush over all of us.
    We haven’t the time for such dribble.
    http://www.lpo.org

  19. Thomas L. Knapp

    Anyone is “qualified” to endorse for LP chair.

    Hopefully, anyone who does endorse a candidate will explain why.

    Hopefully those who take note of the endorsement will consider both the explanation and the background, character, etc. of the endorser.

    And presumably, candidates will feature/promote the endorsements that they consider worthwhile and ignore/minimize the ones they don’t.

    Root has produced a list of endorsements from prominent Libertarians who, to one degree or another, command the respect of their fellow party members. Nothing wrong with that.

  20. Grab the barf bag ????????? .......... Lake

    Denver Delegate // May 21, 2010:

    “C’mon, California LP. You can do better than keep sending neo-con Lieberman to advocate his capitulation and compromise agenda to the LNC……..”

    [a] Joe Mentum ain’t all bad! He’s kept me away from the Dems for a decade ……..

    [b] What do you expect from the neophyt neo cons Brian Holtz and Bruce Cohen ?????????

  21. paulie Post author

    @ 4, 5, 9 etc

    update: Email from Mark Hinkle

    Paulie,

    RE: IPR postings

    It’s now 6 past LP Chairs and 2 past presidential candidates.

    Thanks………………Mark Hinkle

    P.S. see http://www.mark4chair.com


    p: So that makes Root and Hinkle 2-2 in known presidential endorsements, and solidifies the ‘Browne-Cloud’ group (Bergland, Howell, Jorgensen) backing Hinkle, leading me to believe that if Browne was still alive he would most likely have been backing Hinkle.

  22. The Chicago Kid

    I would endorse someone but no one has asked me to do so.

    If anyone is seeking my endorsement send one case of Fat Tire beer and I’ll consider an endorsement for the sender. My endorsement along with all the others will certainly help in St. Louie.

  23. Andy

    “Political Parties exist to put their political philosophy into practice by electing their members to public office. To do that, the Party needs members, money, and activists. By his numerous appearances on cable television and nationally syndicated radio shows, Wayne Root has shown that he can get the Libertarian Party far more publicity than any previous LNC Chair. I admire Mr. Root’s willingness to work very, very hard to get the Libertarian Party positioned as America’s Third Party. For those reasons, I strongly endorse Wayne Root for Libertarian National Committee Chair.”

    Wayne Root has gotten publicity but I have not seen any evidence that this publicity has created a spike in party membership, number of registered voters (in the places where one can register under the Libertarian Party banner), or in the number of votes for Libertarian Party candidates.

  24. Andy

    “Badnarik. Haven’t heard an endorsement, but Myers is from his home state and Phillies worked on his campaign, so I would imagine they might have the inside track. ”

    I remember that George Phillies wrote an article attacking Michael Badnarik after the 2004 election and he urged people to not nominate him again. He attacked him for being a tax protestor and a drivers license protestor. Badnarik is also a 9/11 Truther and Phillies has attacked 9/11 Truthers as well.

    So I don’t think that Michael Badnarik will be endorsing George Phillies.

  25. Michael Seebeck

    Wayne Root has gotten publicity but I have not seen any evidence that this publicity has created a spike in party membership, number of registered voters (in the places where one can register under the Libertarian Party banner), or in the number of votes for Libertarian Party candidates.

    Bingo.

    Denver @20: why the hell do you think I ran for both LNC AND Alt from CA???

  26. You don't know that

    Some of the people may be supporters and will Vote libertarians even though they are NOT members. there are too much information listed for the public to see, if you notice going to the LP.org shows everyone names that donates. Some people like to remain private. Just because a member is not the lp.org list doesn’t mean they are not behind Root.

  27. Brian Holtz

    I would hope Mike knows that in 2008 our LPCA down-ticket candidates got what may be our highest vote shares ever? The average vote percentage for Congress was 4.53%, for State Senate 5.94%, and for State Assembly 6.74%. And if you throw out the only result that was inflated for being a 2-way race, it only brings the congressional average down to 3.8%.

    I would hope Mike knows that in the last two years the LPCA has reversed a decade-long slide in its percentage of registered California voters?

    It’s of course impossible to prove how these results were affected by who the LP nominated in 2008. But let’s recognize that there have been some positive results in recent years.

    Wayne Root has been a stalwart ally of the LPCA, appearing at our fundraisers, parades, and rallies. Like this one:

  28. Michael Seebeck

    Brian @36.

    How does one say this besides, “You missed the point so far you’re in a different time zone?”

    If Root has supposedly done all this to increase donors and members in the LP, then he needs to back up the claims with hard numbers. Haven’t seen either of it.

    In fact I consider the reversal to be not because of Root at all, but from the dedication and hard work of those of us doing the street-feet work to make it happen.

    I don’t deny the positive results. I question any link of them to Root without hard evidence. He says he sells the LP brand to millions every day by his media.

    Guess what, I do too, by simply commuting.

  29. Brian Holtz

    In fact I consider the reversal to be not because of Root at all

    Right. It’s clearly unconnected to Root’s hundreds of media appearances, and most likely a result of the bumper stickers on your car.

  30. Donny Ferguson

    If Root has supposedly done all this to increase donors and members in the LP, then he needs to back up the claims with hard numbers. Haven’t seen either of it.

    I can tell you what we saw in the LP National office. Every time Root did a TV or radio appearance, there would be a bump in inquiries and new memberships.

  31. JT

    Brian: “Right. It’s clearly unconnected to Root’s hundreds of media appearances, and most likely a result of the bumper stickers on your car.”

    Root has made many such media appearances on national shows. So why hasn’t national LP membership and money increased significantly? Is there something so unique about Calif. that Root’s media appearances are responsible for improvements there but not across the nation?

  32. JT

    Donny: “Every time Root did a TV or radio appearance, there would be a bump in inquiries and new memberships.”

    Yes? How many *new* members signed up after Root’s national TV appearances? Hundreds? Thousands?

  33. Brian Holtz

    Note that Hancock has been saying that 80% of the Libertarians he meets at state conventions are new to the LP in the last two years.

    To measure Root’s impact, you have to compare against what the numbers would have been without Root. I don’t have that data, and neither do you.

    Root would be neither a silver bullet nor a poison pill. There are no silver bullets. There are no poison pills. There’s just hard work and progress, or self-gratification and decline, or muddling along.

  34. Michael Seebeck

    Brian, I never said it was because of my driving either. Don’t put words in my mouth. If you want to spin things, try a taffy factory, cotton candy machine, pottery wheel, or laundromat.

    My point was that advertising happens in different ways and absent proper tracking of its directly leading to new members, any claims to that are simply junk.

    So, as I said before, show us the numbers, the new memberships, and the cash that has come from Root’s activities. You made the assertion, so back it up.

    Or to quote Tom Cruise, “Show me the money.”

    Oh, wait, you said, “To measure Root’s impact, you have to compare against what the numbers would have been without Root. I don’t have that data, and neither do you.”

    JT, AFAIK there is no data to support any assertion that the increase in CA registrations has anything to do with Root’s media shilling, my 500 miles a week on LA freeways, or Brian Holtz’s obsessive-complusive behavior. Could it be from those? Certainly, but also certainly not.

    Which proves my point. It’s an assertion without fact, and therefore meaningless, Donny’s anecdotes aside.

  35. JT

    Brian: “Note that Hancock has been saying that 80% of the Libertarians he meets at state conventions are new to the LP in the last two years.”

    The LP has historically had a high turnover rate, which also applies to Libertarians at state conventions. If the new Libertarians that Hancock talks to one-on-one at a typical state convention equal 30 people, for example, that’s not much of a difference compared to years ago. I don’t know if that number at a typical state convention is more like 30 or more like 100, but I doubt Hancock is having one-on-one conversations with the 80% of the *total* attendees there.

    Brian: “To measure Root’s impact, you have to compare against what the numbers would have been without Root. I don’t have that data, and neither do you.”

    Well, if you can’t do that, then how are you inferring that Root can be credited at all for actually building the LP? You can’t then posit that Root’s many media appearances have done anything for the party, for or against.

    I think a good argument can be made that if 100 new people join the party immediately following one Libertarian’s national TV appearance, it’s fairly likely that most did as a result of that appearance, even if that can’t be proven. That’s why I asked Donny for an idea of how many people actually joined the LP immediately after a Root TV appearance, which would be reflected in the database.

  36. Brian Holtz

    how are you inferring that Root can be credited at all for actually building the LP?

    Where have I ever said that I know what effect on membership Root’s prodigious outreach efforts are having?

    You can’t then posit that Root’s many media appearances have done anything for the party, for or against.

    Oh yes I can. As I wrote here a few days ago: “I think the most important metrics are voter registrations, votes, media exposure, and tipped elections. In the next tier of importance I would put electoral and legislative victories. Only in the third tier would I factor in the LP membership and budget figures that so many LP insiders obsess about. They of course should be correlates of success on the other metrics, but I don’t think they are the primary levers by which we pursue those successes.”

  37. Steven R Linnabary

    Only in the third tier would I factor in the LP membership and budget figures…

    It’s a good thing, too. You must have received the latest issue of LP News which on pg 13 shows two graphs.

    The first graph purports to show the slide of revenue and the second shows the downward spiral of membership in the time that Root has been most active in “marketing” the LP.

    PEACE

  38. Michael H. Wilson

    Some weeks ago I tried to talk a long time activist who has quit the LP to get back involved. He is refusing to do so because the message has gotten too watered down. This man helped start the party in one state, ran for office in a statewide race, has contributed money and worked more than one booth. We lose this kind of activist but gain two who have never done any thing and may be light on some issues. Is that a real gain or a loss?

  39. JT

    Brian: “Where have I ever said that I know what effect on membership Root’s prodigious outreach efforts are having?”

    Perhaps I shouldn’t have said “building” the LP, because I guess that could be taken to mean only membership. I should have said “benefiting” the LP. I don’t know why you would say you don’t know what his effect on membership is but you know what his effect on registrations is, though. Is it because membership is going down and registrations (at least in Calif.) are going up?

    Brian: “Oh yes I can. As I wrote here a few days ago: “I think the most important metrics are voter registrations, votes, media exposure, and tipped elections. In the next tier of importance I would put electoral and legislative victories. Only in the third tier would I factor in the LP membership and budget figures that so many LP insiders obsess about. They of course should be correlates of success on the other metrics, but I don’t think they are the primary levers by which we pursue those successes.”

    Okay, then by your logic above, we can’t infer that any additional registrations or votes or “tipped elections” (assuming you know that a Libertarian candidate “stole” enough votes that otherwise definitely would have gone to one of the old party candidates, which you don’t) are due to Root’s appearances. We don’t know what those things would have been otherwise.

    On another note, if you don’t think membership (which is the source of LP activists and campaign volunteers) and money (which in the LP basically comes from membership) are the “primary levers” for votes, then we have a fundamental disagreement. I think a party does need FAR more good activists, volunteers, and funds t0 get FAR more votes (assuming the party isn’t running FAR more candidates).

    Joey: “The Palmer, Texas Post newspaper just came out in support for Wayne Allyn Root as well.”

    Well if the Palmer Post is backing Root, I stand corrected.

  40. JT

    Oh, and you did imply something about Root’s impact on membership when you said “Note that Hancock has been saying that 80% of the Libertarians he meets at state conventions are new to the LP in the last two years” in response to comments about the effect of his appearances. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have said it.

  41. Curbed Tarsals

    BH@53:
    “This feedback is not very actionable.”

    But the meta-message is clear and is actionable. I used to think that maybe these sour grapes were just whiners. I have come to the conclusion after watching listening and experiencing the LP that there is something eating at it.

    I thought it might be an auto immune disease but it is beginning to look like it is just bad medicine. The blood-letters have been trying to cure anemia with leeches.

    The answer for the health of the Libertarian Party is not Root, Hancock, Phillies, or Meyers.

    It is Root, Hancock, Phillies AND Meyers. Y’all need to stop playing ablative politics with your activists.

  42. George Phillies

    If you look at the LNC monthly membership report, which includes numbers going back over 18 months, you find that new members are in the 200s per month, a bit further back and you can see something in the 300s, membership (that does not include donors who are not members) has been 14500 give or take as much as 800, and recent updrift is old members renewing in larger than average numbers.

    The total number of people who have joined over the past two years is greater than half the current number of members.

    More than half the current delegates were not at the last three national conventions. Around a quarter of the 2008 delegates are coming back this year.

  43. independent voter

    “Some weeks ago I tried to talk a long time activist who has quit the LP to get back involved. He is refusing to do so because the message has gotten too watered down. This man helped start the party in one state, ran for office in a statewide race, has contributed money and worked more than one booth. We lose this kind of activist but gain two who have never done any thing and may be light on some issues. Is that a real gain or a loss?”

    I believe you have just described a lot of people. Some of us dropped out as much as 25 years ago.

  44. @60 reply to Paulie

    Regardless of party, I believe this guy is for the constitution, if you watch and look at his website. I think he may be worth mentioning. I don’t believe he is a RINO. He fought the government for what they did to him. Not a career politician.
    He talks about flat taxes, sales tax and other things.

  45. LibertarianGirl

    P_ leading me to believe that if Browne was still alive he would most likely have been backing Hinkle.

    me_I talked t Harry Browne last night and he endorsed Root

  46. paulie Post author

    @63 That may be, but that in itself does not make him IPR subject matter. We report about alt parties and independents. Even when we report about, e.g, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, etc., we are supposed to mention a third party connection.

  47. paulie Post author

    LG @ 64

    I talked t Harry Browne last night and he endorsed Root

    if you have any of that peyote left, save me some for next time I’m in town 😛

  48. Brian Holtz

    JT, I did indeed imply something @45 — namely, that it’s false to say there’s nothing in the available membership evidence that could be attributed to Root’s outreach. But that still doesn’t mean I know what impact his outreach is having on membership.

    I think membership and dues are means to the end of being heard in public policy debates. If you think that being heard in public policy debates is is a means to the end of getting more members and more dues, then we indeed have found where we disagree.

    Y’all need to stop playing ablative politics with your activists

    Agreed. But we also shouldn’t submit to blackmail from people who say “do X or I’ll sit on my hands”. That’s why the number one thing I want to hear from officer candidates is: what will you do for the LP if you lose? Will you declare the LP to be an enemy of the “lovelution”? Will you file more criminal complaints against the LP? Or will you work your butt off for the LP even if you don’t win at NatCon?

    Three of the five Chair candidates ran for either Chair or President in 2008. All three lost. Compare and contrast what each has done for the LP since then.

  49. paulie Post author

    Hinkle lost re-election to the LNC at the California convention, and he is still working hard for the LP as well, as a special election candidate it Maldonado’s former district and as one of the most active callers in the anti Prop 14 phone bank.

  50. sane LP member

    All this dome and gloom. Why is it that some state LP parties are actually growing? Negativity is a cancer that can infect all of us.

  51. George Phillies

    So what will I do if I am not elected? I think I am stuck with my record.

    Launched, edited, and published monthly magazine Liberty For America, the news journal of the Libertarian political movement. See it on LibertyforAmerica.com every issue to date.

    Coordinating writing of the New Path program, visible at NewPathForTheLP.org, and recruited most of its candidates.

    Generated in multiple forms trifolds usable by your state libertarian party, including downloadables with blank panes (not the dinky square inches of some competitors) for your state party to publish its contact info and local issues. See them on LibertyForAmerica.com. Yes, that’s John Jay Myers downloadable trifolds, at least on a few topics, except ours are up and running.

    Asked Jake Porter to set up a downloadable candidate web site. You can get it at LibertyForAmerica.com. I high-power html group can do better, but it’s there and available.

    Organized 2008 fundraising campaign in NH — I did the mailing s0 so the LPNH could print road signs for its candidates, including two Congressional candidates, a U.S. Senate candidate, and their candidate for Governor. Also raised money for and created for LPNH candidates a facebook and google adwards campaign that generated millions of impressions urging people to VOTE LIBERTARIAN. OUTCOME: Ken Blevens for U.S. Senate more than doubled his vote totals from 2002 to 2008, getting 3.1% of the vote, enough to get LPNH major party status before state law was changed.

    Launched Massachusetts discussion blog GoldMassGroup.com with more than 1200 registered (we have their email addresses) users, and helped Rachel Hawkridge with GoldMaricaGroup (over 2500 registered users).

    Gave LPMass, now Libertarian Assovciation of Massachusetts new membership renewal letters, implemented new electronic memberships, pruned nominal membership list of people who had not paid dues or been active in years (in their defense, some of them had died a while back), and launched several membership recruitment paths, as a result of which we have not quite doubled our membership since hitting bottom after the pruning.

    Wrote and implemented with support from other Libertarians a new set of State Bylaws.

    Did multiple fundraising drives, as a result of which party treasury, satte and Federal has doubled.

    Organized litigation to get Barr on the Ballot in Massachusetts, successfully.

    Organized fundraising campaign in state that generated thousands of signatures to put out presidential candidate on the ballot in 2008. Staged the nominating paper sort and distribute out of my home — at peak we were using about 2500 square feet of it for workers, everything but my bedroom and the bathrooms. Personally, with thanks to Brian Stack for his help, mailed nominating papers to ca. 200 town clerks, the ones where we did not do hand delivery. Did several days driving to deliver nominating papers in central Massachusetts, and several more days to pick them up. Delivered all those nominating papers with help and bodyguard to Secretary of State.

    Serve as Party Treasurer (FEC and OCPF filing for decades) and party newsletter editor (Mass Liberty is monthly).

    Served as campaign advisor — how to get onto ballot — to Joe Kennedy (who is still recovering from a snowboarding accident that led to several trips to the hospital) , State Congressional candidates, and State Rep candidates. We appear likely to have an all-time record for Federal candidates in one election, though it has not happened yet.

    Did mailing to national convention delegates, most of whom do not read IPR, calling their attention to the California and Illinois ballot access crises. I’m doing that in typing breaks.

    Appeared at a series of outreach events, including the Amherst Extravaganja, the Boston Freedom Rally 9re-legalization), and the Boston Pride festival. Printed and distributed for LAMA some thousands of of fliers; also printed and distributed fliers for Outright Libertarians at these events, at my expense. Oh, yes, I paid for the rather expensive 2008 LPMass booth at the Pride festival.

    Generated street-legal mailing list of 34,000 highly dedicated Ron Paul 2008 supporters. (To shorten discussion ‘street-legal’ and ‘harvested his FEC filings’ are opposites.)

    Organized sending LNC my state address corrections.

    I could go on, e.g., found the cheap solution to Oklahoma ballot access — pennies on the dollar relative to what we have done before, thanks to what Joe Kennedy proved about press coverage. But enough is enough.

    Did color printing of trifolds for state candidates, LPMA, and LPNH at cost, and Xerox Phaser means inexpensive ultraquality color printing.

    Ran Facebook/Adwords image marketing campaign for state party.

    Attended most LNC meetings since the Angela purge launched.

    You get the idea.

  52. Robert Capozzi

    bh: But we also shouldn’t submit to blackmail from people who say “do X or I’ll sit on my hands”.

    me: Hmm, sitting on my hands would in some cases be an improvement. I respect someone who, say, found the nomination of Barr unacceptable for his positions on abortion and DOMA. I didn’t agree with his positions on those, either, but if those are higher-value issues for some Ls, I certainly can understand someone going neutral on the national ticket.

    What I cannot respect is the desire for revenge and reprisals. In cases like this, I’m with Shakespeare’s go along to get along attitude, “To err is human; to forgive, divine.”

    For ex., were the LP to nominate Vin “Private Nukes are a Right” Suprynowicz for president in 2012, I’m sure I’d be very disappointed. I’d agitate against his nomination, but if it happened, I’d sit out that campaign. IF I sensed the entire LP was moving in a Vin direction, I’d find myself another hobby.

  53. Chuck Moulton

    George Phillies wrote (@70):

    Did color printing of trifolds for state candidates, LPMA, and LPNH at cost, and Xerox Phaser means inexpensive ultraquality color printing.

    I’ve had a Xerox Phaser for years, as have several other Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania activists. I highly recommend the Phaser for libertarians!!

  54. LibertarianGirl

    Dont worry Vin wont run unless he is perhaps writing another book , he wont even write an endorsement or support piece promoting local LP candidates in NV , and we got some good ones. and he endorsed mccain last time , so i reiterate , fuck vin siprinowitz , altho he will come speak at your convention for a hefty fee

  55. JT

    Brian, I notice you didn’t respond to my point: “Okay, then by your logic above, we can’t infer that any additional registrations or votes or “tipped elections” (assuming you know that a Libertarian candidate “stole” enough votes that otherwise definitely would have gone to one of the old party candidates, which you don’t) are due to Root’s appearances. We don’t know what those things would have been otherwise.” That’s okay though; I didn’t expect you to respond.

    Brian: “JT, I did indeed imply something @45 — namely, that it’s false to say there’s nothing in the available membership evidence that could be attributed to Root’s outreach. But that still doesn’t mean I know what impact his outreach is having on membership.”

    What? So you’re positing that Root’s outreach HAS had some positive impact on membership. Just because you don’t know the impact in its entirety doesn’t mean that you aren’t claiming to know any of his impact on membership.

    Of course, as I explained before, that anecdotal evidence doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Recent members at LP state conventions are very common, and I doubt Hancock is speaking one-on-one to 80% of total attendees there.

    Hancock also, as you’ve pointed out, claimed that he received 8% in state elections as an Libertarian candidate when he hasn’t received anywhere near that. So why are you taking his 80% figure at face value anyway?

    Brian: “I think membership and dues are means to the end of being heard in public policy debates. If you think that being heard in public policy debates is is a means to the end of getting more members and more dues, then we indeed have found where we disagree.”

    No, that’s clearly not what I said. Activists, volunteers, and money aren’t only means to getting into debates (though getting into debates is important). They’re also the indispensable means to running serious campaigns and saturating voters with your message. The debates obviously aren’t the end goal; the much higher vote totals are. But you can’t get them without a much larger membership, from which the activists, volunteers, and money derives. I think that’s pretty obvious.

  56. Thomas L. Knapp

    “IF I sensed the entire LP was moving in a Vin direction, I’d find myself another hobby.”

    Then you should find yourself another hobby.

    Starting not very long after he ran for VPOTUS as a Libertarian in 2000, Vin began shifting toward national security state / Know-Nothing conservatism. He’s gone further down that path than the LP has, but we’re breathing down his neck.

  57. Grab the barf bag ????????? .......... Lake

    LP actually growing ?????????

    I doubt it, and I have personally viewed the movement stumble and fumble over the
    decades. By my recogning it is the ‘Decline To
    State’ types that have grown in the general
    disgust with the Democans and the Republicrats!

    Also, by my recogning, the greens and Libs
    have shrunk the least.

    2000: deform / reform movement

    2004: Natural Law Party

    2008: so called Constitution movement

  58. Brian Holtz

    George, that’s a very impressive list, and all LP members should be grateful for the hard work you’ve been doing.

    JT, I don’t know how many different ways you want me to say that I can’t measure what impact Root’s media appearances are having on LP membership. But that’s not the same thing as me saying that as far as I can tell they’re having no impact.

    you’re positing that Root’s outreach HAS had some positive impact on membership

    I would assume that it tends to, yes. Donny’s report strengthens that assumption.

    The debates obviously aren’t the end goal; the much higher vote totals are.

    No, my end goal is moving public policy in a libertarian direction. And I still believe that it is the strength of our ideas and message, much more so than the size of our membership list and budget, that has the most leverage on that goal.

  59. Don Wills

    BH writes “No, my end goal is moving public policy in a libertarian direction. And I still believe that it is the strength of our ideas and message, much more so than the size of our membership list and budget, that has the most leverage on that goal.”

    I agree that the end goal is to move public policy. But I disagree with the rest of Brian’s statement. The LP has generally exhibited strong ideas and a strong message for 39 years, but with little to show for it. Strong ideas are the foundation, but an effective political organization working within the flawed political system is necessary to move public policy in a libertarian direction. That’s what the LP has failed to do – become an effective political organization. That’s what I’m hoping the next LNC chairman can help move the party toward.

  60. Robert Capozzi

    tk 76, it may be that Vin’s Strangelovian dreams keep getting more bizarre. That’s not my point.

    I’m not talking about the LP’s current center of gravity. I’m saying that if the LP became a clear detriment to the cause of liberty, preferably approached through lessarchist means, I’d lose all interest. For ex., if my sense was that 90% of LP were buying into a Hancock-type of party, I’d not feel welcome. I have no doubt that Hancock wants liberty, but, in my view, posing in Guy Fawkes costumes is potentially a setback for liberty. Ditto if 90% of the LP took a Dondero/Team America approach. This Homey don’t play dat, although I’d certainly wish them all the best. If 90% of the LP were in agreement that silo-abandonment is a good idea, if impractical, again, I’ll start playing more tennis.

    My sense is that the LP is far more Big Tent than that. The burgeoning TAAAList wing remains comfortable with a variety of approaches to L-ism, so long as the deviations from the mean are wide enough to capture our facile, (I’d like to think) more enlightened stance on what it means to be L.

  61. George Phillies

    @78

    I really think you would want to have some quantitative analysis here, and careful consideration of what else was happening at any time. Not saying the statement is true or false, just that there are a set of known selection effects that can confuse matters.

    Of course, if it is not there, putting on the receiving web page ‘please tell us how or where you found us’ might be useful.

  62. Scott Lieberman

    “Robert Capozzi // May 23, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    I have no doubt that Hancock wants liberty, but, in my view, posing in Guy Fawkes costumes is potentially a setback for liberty. Ditto if 90% of the LP took a Dondero/Team America approach. This Homey don’t play dat, although I’d certainly wish them all the best.”

    ****************************************

    Be careful what you dis, Mr. Capozzi. I liked Team America.

  63. Brian Holtz

    BH: it is the strength of our ideas and message, much more so than the size of our membership list and budget, that has the most leverage on that goal.

    DW: The LP has generally exhibited strong ideas and a strong message for 39 years

    By “strength of our message” I mean good a job we do of getting people to listen to it. I think we could have done better.

    Also, the ideas could have been stronger. For decades it was too easy to dismiss the LP as opposing all functions and purposes of government.

  64. JT

    Brian: “JT, I don’t know how many different ways you want me to say that I can’t measure what impact Root’s media appearances are having on LP membership. But that’s not the same thing as me saying that as far as I can tell they’re having no impact.”

    And I don’t know how many ways I can say that I’m not talking about measuring Root’s overall impact on membership; I’m talking about attributing any increases in membership (or voter registrations, etc.) to him whatsoever. By your own logic above, we can’t know those things because we don’t know what it would have been otherwise.

    Plus, you totally ignored my comments about Hancock. His claim that 80% of Libertarians he meets at state conventions are new isn’t meaningful if a) he’s talking about 20 people and b) he’s exaggerating, as he did with his own election results as a Libertarian candidate. You had no problem pointing that out, but now you take his 80% figure at face value and connect that to Root’s appearances? Come on.

    Brian: “No, my end goal is moving public policy in a libertarian direction. And I still believe that it is the strength of our ideas and message, much more so than the size of our membership list and budget, that has the most leverage on that goal.”

    Yes, I think that’s the end goal overall for all Libertarians. I was referring to the end goal in the context of a campaign. And Don Wills is right @ 79. If you think the “strength of our ideas and message” means much without a great amount of people and money to saturate voters with those ideas and message and greatly boost our public credibility, I think there’s something very wrong there. It’s not just about logical arguments and analysis of political issues, Brian; it’s also about actually having the resources to achieve major practical results.

  65. Brian Holtz

    JT, we may just have to agree to disagree about whether it’s reasonable to assume that Root’s prodigious outreach efforts tend to have a positive impact on membership levels.

    Regarding Hancock’s assertion about new members, I’m not going to try to suggest to you or our readers how to think about it — except to point out that (unlike his apparently-exaggerated claims about his election results) it is an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admission_against_interest. If you don’t like the sampling that Hancock is reporting on, then see the analysis of delegate tenure that Phillies recently posted in another thread.

    a great amount of people and money to saturate voters with those ideas and message and greatly boost our public credibility

    The LP — and even the broader libertarian movement — doesn’t have anywhere near the amount of people and money it would take to saturate voters with our ideas and message. That’s a big reason why the LP runs campaigns: to take advantage of how voters and the media give free attention to alternative candidates.

    Here’s a simple exercise that can cut to the heart of the question here: how much bigger would the LP’s annual dues pie have to get before the LP would be buying media placements that would connect the LP with libertarian policy goals in the eyes and ears of as many voters as Root has done for free?

  66. Nicholas Sarwark

    Here’s a simple exercise that can cut to the heart of the question here: how much bigger would the LP’s annual dues pie have to get before the LP would be buying media placements that would connect the LP with libertarian policy goals in the eyes and ears of as many voters as Root has done for free?

    1) You’re implying that Root’s media appearances connect the LP with libertarian policy goals. many of his appearances, he goes without mentioning the party or policy goals, e.g. when he was discussing the Kagan nomination.

    2) There is no evidence of measurable membership, vote, or donation gains from the appearances he has been making since 2008. There is some anecdotal evidence of inquiries, but nothing to show a conversion rate.

  67. Scott Lieberman

    Let’s say – just for illustrative purposes – that Wayne Root is elected LNC Chair this coming weekend, and National LP membership increases by 25% per year for two years.

    Will LP Radicals ™ then complain that those new members are worthless, because they aren’t really libertarians?

    And, of course, if Root is elected LNC Chair and National LP membership only increases 1% per year for two years, the Radicals ™ will of course complain that Root hasn’t done anything to increase LP membership.

    In other words – are LP Radicals ™ willing to publicly state growth metrics that Mr. Root, if he meets them, would be considered a successful LNC Chair by LP Radicals?

    As far as I know neither Root nor Rutherford have come up with any metric regarding Elected Libertarians, but I personally hope that the number of Elected Libertarians starts increasing say, 12 months after Root and Rutherford are elected Chair and Vice-Chair.

  68. LibertarianGirl

    SL_Will LP Radicals ™ then complain that those new members are worthless, because they aren’t really libertarians?

    me_ yes

    SL_And, of course, if Root is elected LNC Chair and National LP membership only increases 1% per year for two years, the Radicals ™ will of course complain that Root hasn’t done anything to increase LP membership.

    me_yes

  69. LP watcher

    what would Donny Ferguson say about all of this? He was COMM Director for LP national not that long ago. Was there an uptick with inquiries, when WAR was on the media trail?

  70. Show me the Money

    Let’s say – just for illustrative purposes – that Wayne Root is elected LNC Chair this coming weekend, and National LP membership increases by 25% per year for two years.
    Will LP Radicals ™ then complain that those new members are worthless, because they aren’t really libertarians?

    Not likely to happen because of the simple walking out of all the remaining principled libertarians that leave if he gets elected, leaving behind the faux neoconservatarians. Unless he uses the millions of his yet-unseen gambling friends to buy the GOP out and bring them on board, it ain’t gonna happen.

    And, of course, if Root is elected LNC Chair and National LP membership only increases 1% per year for two years, the Radicals ™ will of course complain that Root hasn’t done anything to increase LP membership.
    In other words – are LP Radicals ™ willing to publicly state growth metrics that Mr. Root, if he meets them, would be considered a successful LNC Chair by LP Radicals?

    The better question is why doesn’t El Wayno give any metrics to reach in his own plan? Could it be because he doesn’t have any and the whole reason he’s running is to promote himself, in the same way he’s currently exploiting his daughter to promote himself? How could a CEO forget the fundamental point that a goal has to be measureable and achieveable?

    As far as I know neither Root nor Rutherford have come up with any metric regarding Elected Libertarians, but I personally hope that the number of Elected Libertarians starts increasing say, 12 months after Root and Rutherford are elected Chair and Vice-Chair.

    They haven’t because they don’t. The uptick of late isn’t because of them, but because of Wes, whom El Wayno has threatened to fire already–which is enough by itelf to not vote for the guy, because you don’t ax the guy who’s been getting the ship straightened out because you had a snit over publicizing shill spots for your lame book.
    The sign of a good leader is one who doesn’t obfuscate the hard numbers. If El Wayno has a goal of increasing membership by 25%, revenues by $1M, and cutting expenses by 40%, then by golly, show us the numbers he’s shooting for, whatever they are, and how he intends to get there. Haven’t seen it yet, and I doubt we will.
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  71. JT

    Brian: “Here’s a simple exercise that can cut to the heart of the question here: how much bigger would the LP’s annual dues pie have to get before the LP would be buying media placements that would connect the LP with libertarian policy goals in the eyes and ears of as many voters as Root has done for free?”

    To piggyback on what Nick said above, I’m not sure how much, because I don’t think Root consistently connects the LP with libertarian policy goals in his appearances. At least not in the appearances I know about. He does bash Obama and talk about himself a lot though.

    I think the LP national TV ads that a huge pool of money could finance would be focused on promoting the party and not just one person. I think those ads would say the party’s name a few times and give out its Web site. I also think some of those ads would be on shows other than conservative ones with a mostly older audience.

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