Chelene Nightingale Completes “Save California” Walk

Sarah Foster published this piece on Chelene Nightingale’s “Save California” walk at News With Views. I found it reposted at the Constitution Party website.

It was an exhausting eight days, but California gubernatorial candidate Chelene Nightingale, the American Independent/Constitution Party’s nominee, and her campaign team beat the odds, arriving at the state capital mid-afternoon Friday, Sept. 10, on schedule and on foot – completing an almost 200-mile trek through the San Joaquin Valley that they began a week earlier in Fresno.

If she was in pain, you wouldn’t know it. The 45-year-old “We the People’s candidate” (as she describes herself) walked without any trace of a limp, smiling and waving to the group of local supporters who turned out to cheer her and her companions. Then unaided she climbed the steps to the Capital and raised her arms in a victory salute.

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473 thoughts on “Chelene Nightingale Completes “Save California” Walk

  1. RedPhillips Post author

    This post is bound to bring out the dueling California AIP “factions.” Please keep it civil and issues/substance focused. Allegations of a personal nature are best avoided but at the least should be accompanied by some sort of substantiation.

  2. RedPhillips Post author

    Don, look back at some of the threads. Ethics is a legit issue, but some allegations (which I won’t even dignify by repeating) have been WAY OVER THE LINE.

  3. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Don Lake hinted at the travils of the Las Vegas Journal Record / ‘Righthaven’ mess MONTHS AGO, but did contact Mister Cody ‘Oops’ Quirk directly.

    He is in Nevada and yet single handedly brought the issues of expensive punishment to Havenright’s attention. Talk about not taking advise, as many Silver State pol were more directly contacted!

    Take you own counsel ——– boy!

  4. The Last Conservative

    Shut up Cody, you feminist Irish commie. Don Grundman and Red phillips are also liberal antichrist commies, because they surrender to the idiotic worldview that women belong in politics. I am leaning toward the Seidenberg faction because they don’t have any female candidates as far as I know. Mark Seidenberg, do you pledge to refuse all female candidates, and for women to go back to the kitchen where they belong? That would make you the closest conservative party that we have in this nation of America. It’s still not where we need to be; we need to go back to midieval absolute monarchy with church domination. But it would be a step in the right direction.
    And King of Swing should be banned; that’s revolting.

  5. RedPhillips Post author

    I’m contemplating no longer posting any CN related post here at IPR because people like KoS and AA can’t behave themselves. Grow up children!

  6. paulie

    I’m contemplating no longer posting any CN related post here at IPR

    I think that’s what they want you to do. It would be a shame to give in to that kind of garbage. If anything, you should post more.

    people like KoS and AA can’t behave themselves. Grow up children!

    Seconded.

  7. JT

    Paulie, you write for this site…do you know anything about why this IP address hasn’t been blocked yet? Sincere question. Does whoever runs this site thinks those kind of gratuitous comments are okay here? If you know, please tell me because I’m at a loss.

  8. paulie

    Paulie, you write for this site…do you know anything about why this IP address hasn’t been blocked yet? Sincere question.

    The IP address is from an IP anonymizer, which some legitimate commenters have used as well.

    Does whoever runs this site thinks those kind of gratuitous comments are okay here? If you know, please tell me because I’m at a loss.

    I don’t think it’s OK.

  9. RedPhillips Post author

    “I think that’s what they want you to do. It would be a shame to give in to that kind of garbage. If anything, you should post more.”

    I’m torn. The problem is she isn’t here to defend herself. I guess she could be if she wanted to. Are these statements potentially legally libelous? I know she is a public figure, but it is one thing to say CN is a blank, blank, blank, and another thing to allege you have tapes showing blank, blank, blank. Does she have grounds to sue? Maybe she should sue.

    At any rate, my comments asking people to behave are clearly not helping and may be making things worse. It just seems to egg them on.

  10. Jason Gatties

    Red, please stay on board. You do a great job. I’m new to the party (around a year) so I’m still learning about what goes on in other states. Please keep up the good work.

    Paulie, do I use the IPR contact email for inquiring about ad rates or is there someone specific I need to contact?

  11. Cody Quirk

    Shut up Cody, you feminist Irish commie.

    = From the same guy that thinks we ought to be part of the British Monarchy.

    How about you go leave in Canada, the US doesn’t need anti-American scum like you!

  12. Mark Seidenberg

    Note how the “waddle and roll” gets longer.
    From 169 miles it goes to 186 and then to 195 and then to 200. How many miles was that trek?

    Also note that Galt, CA is not named after John Galt. Galt was just a character in Atlas Shrugged by Rand. Next thing we will see Nightingale sporting her dollar sign tattoo. My take is we move the case of King v. Robinson from Judge Wm C. Harrison to Judge Narragansett.

    The issue of Nightingale being a American
    Independent/Constitution Party candidate
    is disinformation.

    The American Independent Party’s national affiliation is the America’s Independent Party. AIP has no connection
    with the Constitution Party.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
    Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

    The claim that Nightingale is an “Objecti

  13. Cody Quirk

    The issue of Nightingale being a American
    Independent/Constitution Party candidate
    is disinformation.

    = Nope, she’s officially listed on the ballot as the AIP candidate for Governor, get over it!

    The American Independent Party’s national affiliation is the America’s Independent Party. AIP has no connection
    with the Constitution Party.

    = Well, your faction doesn’t, but the other faction does.

  14. Cody Quirk

    So Mark, how much did the GOP pay you guys to infiltrate and screw up the AIP?

    I was just wondering.

  15. Don Grundmann

    Red – I did not see a comment by ” KoS ” or ” AA ” but I presume from the tone of the commentary that it was yet another vile attack against Chelene and that it was removed. If so thank you for that action. Chelene is attacked all across the Internet by anonymous attackers under multiple names which is the signature work of Mark Seidenberg. With the state giving recognition to the Robinson criminal gang/enterprise of which Seidenberg is the ” money/bag man ” the corruption faction of the AIP has gone to work for their Republican/ADL/SPLC masters to shoot down Chelene in, among other goals, service to Meg Whitman. There is no limit to their attacks and no trace of conscience to restrain them.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  16. Don Grundmann

    Cody – I believe that it is Seidenberg but either of them will spread any manner of lies and vile attacks against Chelene because they share the same character traits – complete corruption, no trace of conscience, and a love of evil. Lake will attack because of his love of evil and desire to get ” Brownie Points ” from Seidenberg and Robinson for being a good lapdog. Seidenberg will have the same love of evil but will be working to achieve more ” practical ” goals – minimally getting voters to leave Chelene and vote for Meg Whitman, and maximally ( useless now but a vital part of their earlier plan ) to break Chelenes spirit and get her to withdraw from the race. The attack strategy to maximize votes away from Chelene to Whitman will go the end of voting on election day so Seidenberg will be flooding the Internet with minimally an order of magnitude more of comments by that time.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  17. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Lake is a member of the State Central
    Committee of the American Independent Party. Don Grundmann has not been a member of the State Central Committee of the American Independent Party since September 2, 2008.

    Grundmann is not the “D. C. Chairman
    American Independent Party” nor holds
    any other chairmanship within the American Independent Party.

    I spent over five hours with a reporter
    from Fresno, CA. I explained how the
    AIP is organized. I did not once bring up
    the issue of Nightingale. That “waddle and
    roll” was treated as a non-story by the local media on my drive from Sacramento
    to Fresno. She got no local coverage on the Northward trek.

    Don should ask why Chelene is not being
    introducted by Ron Paul next weekend in
    California? She could not get approval.

    SINCERELY< Mark Seidenberg, VC, AIP

  18. paulie

    Paulie, do I use the IPR contact email for inquiring about ad rates or is there someone specific I need to contact?

    You can ask Trent, but I think they do all the ads through google ads.

  19. The Last Conservative

    Cody, yes I am a proud supporter of the British Empire and believe that the American Revolution, and, yes, the Protestant Reformation, was a precursor to the liberalism/communism which has infected the world and taken it over almost completely.
    The so-called conservative movement has allowed women, like Nightengale and Whitman, to take too much leadership and power.
    Mark Siedenberg, you have the potential to be a great leader of the real conservative movement, but you need to quit making inappropriate sexual comments (yes, Grundman is right that it was you doing that) and you need to quit worrying about whether or not people think Grundman is on the Central committee. Instead, you need to sign my pledge to refuse to let women be candidates in your party, and also work for the restoration of absolute monarchy in the United States and the British empire.

  20. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody Quirk asks the wrong question of the wrong people.

    He should ask how much money Rayna Mike King gave the GOP to receive three awards as
    Republican Businesswoman of the Year by the
    Republican Party?

    He should ask why Charles Deemer gave $400
    to a Brewtown lawyer? And how a bogus convention took place in Ontario without the
    “Designation” of the State Central Committee?
    Or why Dr. Grundmann thinks the officers of the
    AIP can be suspended on a sua sponte order of
    a party chairman?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party
    took place

  21. paulie

    Cleaned up some of the worst comments.

    Was considering it, but thought that would make the responses too them seem out of place. I think you are right though, they won’t be missed.

  22. Mark Seidenberg

    TO LAST CONSERVATIVE

    Read your post #30. My suggestion is move to Mt. Athos. It is just the place for you. There is
    nothing female there. Evan eggs have to be imported. Mt. Athos is a small county in Europe
    next to Greece. In fact the first United States
    diplomat to Greece once lived their before coming to the United States. His son was the
    person that almost got the United States in War
    in North Africa, during Teddy Rosevelts administration.

    One should ask Nightingale why she will not be
    appearing with Congressman Paul this weekend?

    I know the answer. Let here tell the real reason
    why they will not be together this weekend.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  23. Cody Quirk

    I see this Jew controlled sight is unable to handle the truth and must censor the truth about the pig Nightingale.

    = Coming from a person that’s black. You also aware that Seidenberg’s Jewish too?

  24. Mark Seidenberg

    Remember, has his membership on the American Independent Party State Central
    Committee, because Don Grundmann walked
    away from this spot on September 3, 2006.

    Than the AIP SCC replaced the spot with Don Lake.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  25. Cody Quirk

    Cody, yes I am a proud supporter of the British Empire and believe that the American Revolution, and, yes, the Protestant Reformation, was a precursor to the liberalism/communism which has infected the world and taken it over almost completely.

    = You’re contradicting yourself

  26. Cody Quirk

    Remember, has his membership on the American Independent Party State Central
    Committee, because Don Grundmann walked
    away from this spot on September 3, 2006.
    Than the AIP SCC replaced the spot with Don Lake.

    = Which is why you lost your credibility here.

  27. Mark Seidenberg

    I am aware that both Cody and I are Jewish.

    Cody, Why spend time replying to someone that
    does not like Jews?

    Why do you state that “Angry Aryan” is black?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  28. Cody Quirk

    Cody Quirk asks the wrong question of the wrong people.

    = No, I know you’re buddies with Gary Creep, and other Republican activists, plus that move to try kicking off the AIP statewide candidates off the ballot was a no-brainer to how much you and your buddies are in league with them- so how much are they paying you, or did pay you?

    Be honest.

  29. Cody Quirk

    One should ask Nightingale why she will not be
    appearing with Congressman Paul this weekend?

    = One should ask why try to kick off your own party’s candidates off the ballot.

    Cody, Why spend time replying to someone that
    does not like Jews?

    = Don’t forget I’m also Irish.

    Why do you state that “Angry Aryan” is black?

    = I viewed his facebook page.

  30. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody,

    Don Lake is a fine member of the State Central Committee of the AIP. Please stop the attack
    on Don Lake.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    AIP.

  31. Red Phillips

    Cody, Don Lake is obsessed and his stream of consciousness posts often make no sense to anyone but him, but he has given me no reason to believe he is vile and would stoop to that level. I don’t think he was responsible for those and similar posts.

    Nor Don, am I convinced that Mark Seidenberg is responsible for them. All Mark’s posts have his characteristic Rainman-like staccato style. If he was capable of anything else then I probably wouldn’t still be waiting for an answer to my simple question.

    And the Last Conservative is a spoof. He is spoofing conservatives for having throwback attitudes. He may be spoofing the CP in particular or conservative in general, I’m not sure. Much like Catholic Trotskyite is spoofing the Catholic combination of social conservatism and “liberal” Catholic social teaching.

  32. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody,

    My mother parents were married in Dublin in the
    year 1900. My mother’s mother was related to Robert Briscoe, former Jewish Lord Mayor of Dublin. She was also related through marriage to
    Daniel Day Lewis (actor). So we both have an Irish connection.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  33. Cody Quirk

    Don Lake is a fine member of the State Central Committee of the AIP. Please stop the attack
    on Don Lake.

    = LMAO!

    My mother parents were married in Dublin in the
    year 1900. My mother’s mother was related to Robert Briscoe, former Jewish Lord Mayor of Dublin. She was also related through marriage to
    Daniel Day Lewis (actor). So we both have an Irish connection.

    = Good for you, LOTS of American’s have Irish ancestry, though I have a lot of it in my blood.

  34. The Last Conservative

    Mark, I’m not trying to get rid of all women, I’m just trying to put women in their proper place, which is not in politics. But I may visit Mount Athos for a while, thanks for the suggestion.
    Still, you have proven yourself to be a liberal commie just like the rest of them. You could have been the leader of the reviva lof conservatism, btu instead you are just another crazy loser. Now you and Cody have not only ethnic connections in common, but also me as an antagonist.

  35. wolfefan

    If Don Lake is a member of the State Central Committee, why isn’t he listed on the website with the other members? Perhaps the same person responsible for updating Don Lake’s website also has responsibility for the AIP’s.

  36. Davi Rodrigues

    Chelene completed the walk? Coulda swore she did not complete the walk, but changed it to a ride. Maybe it’s just my imagination, but I had some memories of her being pushed in a wheel chair most of the way.
    Add this to her other failures. She couldn’t walk the walk, but she still talks the talk.

    “Then unaided she climbed the steps to the Capital and raised her arms in a victory salute.”

    Congrats Chelene! And thanks for competing in the Special (political) Olympics. Everyone wins here.

  37. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    wolfefan // Sep 20, 2010:

    If Don Lake is a member of the State Central Committee, why isn’t he listed on the website with the other members?

    Perhaps the same person responsible for updating Don Lake’s website also has responsibility for the AIP’s.

    [a] I am in the phone book —– call me any time

    [b] give me a postal address, POB or PMB is fine and I will mail a care package of documentation

  38. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    ………… well, I do not consider my self a fascist ……………

    Ah, Der Furher, vegan, non smoker, WWI battle hero, loved children and pets — and prompted a ‘neice’ to commit suicide (or may be like *saint* Teddy Kennedy, killed an inappropriately pregnant lover) and might have been 1/4 jewish.

    When the German Army occupied Austria, they quickly abandoned the ancestral town of his mother’s lineage —— and used it for target practise!

  39. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Cody Quirk // Sep 20, 2010:

    One should ask Nightingale why she will not be
    appearing with Congressman Paul this weekend?

    = One should ask why try to kick off your own party’s candidates off the ballot.

    [Lake: may be for the similar reason that the Arizona (ballot access) Greens seem to be unhappy about dishonest GP candidates in Arid Zona ……………]

    My little blog gets lots of attention, makes its point, keeps the well paid CALVETS / CDVA thugs nervous, and I have no big problems with it.

    Why does Coty Banks (teen aged CIA operative) and wolf bane even care? It is not like they, or Lussenheide, or Grundmann, or Nightingale, or Jim King *personal experience, as early as 1998* actually care about real veterans and their real problems.

    And they sure are not friends of mind. And, paulie, Trent Hill, and Red Phillips, you don’t have to be a friend to be fair!

  40. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

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    Sept 18, 1931, the body of Adolf Hitler’s niece Angela “Geli” Raubal was found at the Fuhrer’s Munich apartment. Her death, by a bullet from the Nazi leader’s own pistol, was recorded as suicide. But there is evidence to suggest the pretty 19-year-old was shot. She was in no mind to end her life: she was writing a cheerful letter, when she put a gun to her chest and pulled the trigger. The first detective on the scene, Heinrich Muller, who become head of the Gestapo, called off the probe. Gregor Strasser claimed he had to stop Hitler killing himself after he’d shot Geli. He was killed when the Nazis settled scores in the Night of the Long Knives in 1933. (mirror)

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    Three brothers living an uneventful life on Long Island, New York, have decided to write a book about their family. Their famous relative: Adolf Hitler. Alexander, Louis and Brian Hitler are direct descendants of the Nazi German leader’s paternal side. A fourth brother, Howard, died in a car accident in 1989. The three are also childless, suggesting that Hitler’s bloodline may die with them. Their father, William Patrick Hitler, is the subject of a play called ‘Little Willy’. William is the son of Alois Hitler Jr, half-brother of the Nazi dictator because they shared the same father. (monstersandcritics.com)

  41. Red Phillips

    Don what are you babbling about? What does Hitler have to do with this thread?

    Davi, according to the story Chelene walked a blister onto her foot. Surely you aren’t stooping to making fun of her for her infirmity.

  42. paulie

    Don what are you babbling about? What does Hitler have to do with this thread?

    I think he is referring to the neo-nazi @ 33. Not that I think that calls for a long discourse on Hitler, but that seems to be the connection.

  43. paulie

    BTW, from what I’ve read, the connection is that Chelene Nightingale kicked some neo-nazis (and some other people) out of her so-called “Save Our State” organization and some of them are still mad about it.

  44. Peter Gemma

    “…extremely small penises”
    Chelene Nightingale is a “pig”
    “put women in their place”

    ??!!???

    The usual nutty stuff generously allowed to appear here has devolved into racist and vile accusations – it’s demeaning to the website. I respectfully suggest keeping people off any IPR thread unless they have thoughtful opinions, solid facts, and do not use offensive language. I come here to learn, not be insulted by crass postings.

  45. paulie

    Peter,

    For whatever reason, threads that touch any way on the California AIP and/or especially Chelene Nightingale bring out the very worst in reader reactions. She seems to have some very vociferous and dedicated haters.

    I don’t consider that a reason to stop posting articles about those subjects, but just be aware that the comment section on any such thread is likely to be rather toxic.

    As for the suggestion of policing comments, neither I nor any other IPR writer is interested in that job, and Trent has always indicated general opposition to the idea, although we have never ruled it out either.

    However, I have no problem with Daniel removing the kind of vile trash comment that he did.

    Regarding the “…extremely small penises” crack: Cody said that he found something on facebook that indicates “Angry Aryan” is actually black, so I did a search on facebook.

    Three results came up:

    1) Iranian students in London
    2) An anti-Islamic group,

    neither of which seem in any way related,

    and

    3) A group with the aforementioned name which is accompanied by a picture of a black woman illustrating the concept with her fingers.

    I was just asking Cody whether that was what he was referring to. Sorry if you found that offensive.

  46. Davi Rodrigues

    Red,

    “Davi, according to the story Chelene walked a blister onto her foot. Surely you aren’t stooping to making fun of her for her infirmity.”

    No, I am pointing out that she is, once again, taking credit for something that she DID NOT DO.
    Add that to the list of embellishments including the falsely claimed act of kicking neo nazis off SOS.

  47. Don Grundmann

    ” Angry Aryan ” of comment # 33 – Mark Seidenberg – What do you expect to gain by writing such a comment under yet another of your endless fake names? Your sick attacks simply bring more people to support Chelene.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  48. Don Grundmann

    ” because Don Grundmann walked
    away from this spot on September 3, 2006.

    Than the AIP SCC replaced the spot with Don Lake.”

    Response – A) Yet another Seidenberg lie to justify denial of voting rights. B) Lake was appointed to send a signal of the new anti-Christian pro-homosexuality pro-abortion AIP being formed by the Robinson criminal enterprise in response to their ADL, SPLC, and ” moderate ” Republican controllers/masters.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  49. Don Grundmann

    ” Be honest.”

    Response – Cody – You should know that that is impossible for Mark Seidenberg to do.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  50. King of Swing

    Yeah baby, these “independent”/”libertarian” pendejos are real big free speech advocates… right up until someone says something they don’t like, LOL.

    Censor all you want, the videos of Nightinghog that I have are real, and they will be posted on the internet for all to see when it is least convenient for her.

    I am not allowed to tell you what is on the videos so you will just have to see what is on them for yourself. Just have a barf bag handy is all I can say, her sexual deviance is quite extreme LOL.

  51. Don Grundmann

    ” Add this to her other failures. She couldn’t walk the walk, but she still talks the talk. ”

    Response – Mr. Rodrigues – YOU keep piling on convincing evidence that you are a silly crybaby child in a grown up body. FACT – She walked. YOU DID NOT. FACT – She had people walking with her the entire distance. YOU would find one person at best to walk a block with you. FACT – She has a campaign and is fighting for the citizens. YOU produce nothing positive and do nothing positive. YOU simply continue your childish, distorted, and lying attacks upon Chelene. Chelene is a leader. She is a wonderful success. YOU are a failure. YOU are a nothing.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  52. Don Grundmann

    ” No, I am pointing out that she is, once again, taking credit for something that she DID NOT DO.”

    Response – She walked right up to the Capital in front of you. RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. And STILL you simply cannot resist putting her down in any possible way. She walked miles and miles more than you probably ever have and STILL you have your jealousy/temper tantrum. Totally ludicrous.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  53. Red Phillips

    “the videos … that I have are real”

    Really? Then prove it big mouth! Send them to any CA paper. I’m sure the liberal media would love a story about how the family values candidate of the family values party used to be a porn star. They love the fact that Christine O’Donnell said she “dabbled in witchcraft.” How much more would they love this story? So I expect to see this story break soon or else you are a lying slandering piece of garbage.

    “they will be posted on the internet for all to see when it is least convenient for her.”

    As if there could be a more convenient time for a story like this to come out? So if you let them come out now she might have time to recover I guess? You’re bluffing loud mouth.

  54. Don Grundmann

    Red – ” King of Swing ” is Seidenberg. He has done the same tactic multiple times – claim that he has tapes or other information against Chelene or others. Of course such fantasies don’t exist so he can never, and never does, follow up on his claim. This is part of his ” M.O. ” – make lies all across the Internet as part of his smear campaign to attack Chelene for his Republican handlers and in support of their goal to stop people from voting for Chelene and vote for Whitman instead. He is as he has always been – a Republican Party spy, mole, and hatchet man.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  55. Cody Quirk

    Perhaps the same person responsible for updating Don Lake’s website also has responsibility for the AIP’s.

    = In that case, he REALLY sucks, your blog hasn’t been updated for a long time and looks like shit, take the toilet paper out of your eyes, Lake.

    [Lake: may be for the similar reason that the Arizona (ballot access) Greens seem to be unhappy about dishonest GP candidates in Arid Zona ……………]

    = Yet the people that Seidenberg wants to kick off but legally can’t have been in the AIP for many many years and are legit candidates, unlike those in the Arizona GP.

    Or are you trying to be a black-shirt fascist that’s worse then the people that mistreated you at the Barstow home?

  56. paulie

    Ah.

    That’s myspace, not facebook, and it’s the site for a neo-nazi band from the UK.

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Chingford_Attack: “Chingford Attack is an English White Power band who have released one album to date. The band are supporters of Combat18.”

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Combat18:

    “Combat 18 or C18 is a British national socialist organization formed in 1992.[…]

    Combat18 outside the United Kingdom

    Combat18 has “supporters” in France, Northern Ireland, Sweden, Germany, United States, Canada, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Ukraine, Poland, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand. Combat18’s use of the cell structure, and its call for “Leaderless Resistance” has remained popular among other un-aligned groups.”

  57. paulie

    Yeah baby, these “independent”/”libertarian” pendejos are real big free speech advocates… right up until someone says something they don’t like, LOL.

    People say things we don’t like all the time. Several trolls here have been allowed to post freely and have made all kinds of allegations, including the personal and provably false (most recently, Dondero claimed I was an “illegal alien,” falsely claimed I had something to do with a dog killing, etc).

    As for disagreement…we don’t even agree with each other. For example, Red and I have strong disagreements, at times discussed in these pages, on any number of issues.

    On some other issues, we would agree with each other, but disagree just as strongly with other IPR contributors, such as Ross Levin, Kimberly Wilder, and Dave Schwab.

    Disagreement is one thing – and specific allegations of bestiality accompanied by cursing and racial slurs is quite another, especially when you have produced no evidence whatsoever.


    I am not allowed to tell you what is on the videos so you will just have to see what is on them for yourself. Just have a barf bag handy is all I can say, her sexual deviance is quite extreme LOL.

    I think you have nothing. I don’t say that as a Chelene Nightingale fan BTW, I disagree with her quite strongly on her signature issue of immigration and a number of other issues. However, my strong sense is that you are full of crap, and unless you actually produce this evidence you claim to have, I don’t think your posts belong here.

    Until/unless you have something more than empty allegations — please stick to provable facts, or better yet (I know this may be stretch for some, but bear with me)…actual issues.

  58. paulie

    Cody, Don Lake is obsessed and his stream of consciousness posts often make no sense to anyone but him, but he has given me no reason to believe he is vile and would stoop to that level. I don’t think he was responsible for those and similar posts.

    Nor Don, am I convinced that Mark Seidenberg is responsible for them. All Mark’s posts have his characteristic Rainman-like staccato style. If he was capable of anything else then I probably wouldn’t still be waiting for an answer to my simple question.

    I think Red is correct.

    I think a more likely suspect is someone or perhaps 2-3 people who have personal issues with Ms. Nightingale, that are not necessarily involved in any way with either the CP or AIP.

  59. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Dearest Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk Boy,

    may be Don Lake is just trying to be ‘fair and balanced’

    Maybe Arid Zona greenies are just trying to be fair and balanced?

    May be the official, new and improved, California American Independent Party is just trying to be fair and balanced?

    As some one whom leads with his heart / emotions, as an immature eleven year old, logic and reason must be difficult concepts.

  60. Don Grundmann

    Paulie – The attacks against Chelene are far more than personal issues. They span the range from attacks against her family, to so-called fraud, to her bankruptcy, to her claimed support for alleged murderers. Such a campaign is far beyond personal and is rather an organizational campaign which I claim comes from the controllers of Robinson and Seidenberg; i.e.; the Republican Party ( to draw votes from Chelene for Whitman ), the ADL, and the SPLC. The whole purpose of the Keys/Robinson/Seidenberg attack upon the AIP/CP has been to neutralize competition to the Republicans. They were moles from the first day they came to the AIP and are fulfilling their purpose in aiding their Republican masters.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  61. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    some complaints of Nightmare Nightingale and her bankruptcy are there, but few and far between.

    In and out of IPR, the great cry and nashing of teeth has been on her deceitful ways. You have to admit that she *sarcasm* does bring joy and happiness where ever she goes ——- well may be Lussenheide, Brazeale, Jim King, Grundmann, and Quirk do not!

    I despise the GOP: hate it, hate it, hate it! I do not wish to neutralize any erosion of their ill gotten gains.

    If the corrupt ole California American Independent Party and the national (so called) Constitution Movement had been even half as unreasonable …………

  62. Don Grundmann

    Lake – A) You ( as a walking turd so well demonstrated by your endless lying regarding Chelene ) continue to insult her. As I have said – you don’t want to meet me. B) Only rats like yourself, Rodrigues, and the Robinson criminal enterprise claim ” deceitful ways ” regarding Chelene. The rest of us know her for the courageous and honorable candidate that she is. Only low-life scum such as yourself attack her as is currently done – never on issues but always on fantastic lies regarding her character ( and this by those who are pathological liars ). C) The REAL AIP – the continuation of what you refer to as the ” ole ” AIP – is completely honorable. It is YOU who ( as usual ) support total corruption and evil as represented by the Robinson criminal enterprise.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  63. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Don Lake is a fine member of the State Central Committee of the AIP. [who is a loyal AIP partisan. If I have differences in my personal views and my party’s platform I will cheerfully *shut up rather than speak up*

    [a] I have the American right of association

    [b] battling big time fakers Grundmann, Quirk, Nightingale, Lussenheide, Braseiale (sp) and Jim King is a patriotic responsibility.

    [c] I have been the most conservative person (what ever that means) in a room of liberals (what ever that means)

    [d] I have been the most liberal person (what ever that means) in a room of conservatives (what ever that means)

    [e] Want to know what I think of controversial issues ——– just ask

    [f] do not be surprised with *straight stare, shoulder shrug, palms up ward and out ward*

    [g] Again, I hate the GOP AND the Dems. No not evenly, not in the same way, but my criticism of the Kennedy brothers [alone] has earned me lots of ‘one finger salutes’

  64. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Don Grundmann // Sep 21, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Lake – A) You ( as a walking turd so well demonstrated by your endless lying regarding Chelene ) ………….

    As I have said – you don’t want to meet me.

    Lake: Hmmmmmmmmmmm, yet another threat of physical violence again a former supporter.

    That Kansas Citian that sprayed hot lead in that Wichita church during services —— didn’t he repeatedly say stuff similar to Leavenworth / Heavenworth bound Mad Chiropractor?

  65. Cody Quirk

    May be the official, new and improved, California American Independent Party is just trying to be fair and balanced?

    = It’s anything but, especially with Ed banning people from the state committee, canceling state conventions at the last minute, or even blocking some members from attending meetings, or having secret meetings, like the one where they “disaffiliated” from the CP.

    And your buddy Seidenberg is a closet Republican, you are quite deceived, as well as being 51-50.

  66. paulie

    Mark Seidenberg,

    Don Lake is a fine member of the State Central Committee of the AIP.

    Does that mean you and the A(s)IP share Mr. Lake’s stated position that all issues and party platforms are irrelevant and of no consequence or importance?

    Also, do you feel that your party should support the candidates that your party’s primary voters chose, and if not, why not?

  67. King of Swing

    Fine, you don’t have to believe me now, but don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    When the barn door flies open…heh heh, I said BARN door…well, just watch the video.

    Some will laugh, some will cry, many will hurl.

  68. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Mark Seidenberg, “Don Lake is a fine member of the State Central Committee of the AIP.”

    paulie, “Does that mean you and the A(s)IP share Mr. Lake’s stated position that all issues and party platforms are irrelevant and of no consequence or importance? ”

    Lake: ‘No importance’ or over ridden by personal and/or organizational malfeascance?

    Words are just words. Masturbation (non fruit bearing) verses real world effort(s)!

    I gave example after example after example from Ramsey’s the Great to the 21st Century.

    Party platforms are little more than public relations. Having helped run focus groups, I can tell you the candidates become actors whom ‘directors’ feed them pre packaged sound bites!

  69. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie,

    No, I do not share all issues with members of the
    party. I do not think any one else does either.

    Don Lake is a member of the AIP state central
    committee. Members of the State Central Committee are not listed on the website. The
    members of the National Committee are list on
    the website.

    The American Independent Party is not running
    anyone for Governor. The party has 1st and 14th amendment rights. It is not required to
    except the will of 24,000 votes to that of the
    wishes of the other 373,000 plus party members
    that would not vote for Nightingale.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  70. Don Grundmann

    The corruption faction of the AIP, the Robinson/Seidenberg criminal gang, does in fact have a Governor candidate in the upcoming elction – Meg Whitman. Mark Robinson and Mark Seidenberg are Republican Party operatives who have been attacking Chelene Nightingale relentlessly and in all possible forums. They have performed the entire possible range of attacks including many vile attacks on multiple threads at this forum and through virtually countless fake names ( a favorite tactic of Mark Seidenberg ), such as ” King of Swing ” above. Just one of their tactics is to infer corrupt behavior, as ” Swing ” does above, with no proof of any such activity or actions as their sole purpose is to spread innuendo and lies in order to draw votes away from Chelene toward Whitman. The corruption of Robinson and Seidenberg knows no limits.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  71. paulie

    The American Independent Party is not running
    anyone for Governor. The party has 1st and 14th amendment rights. It is not required to
    except the will of 24,000 votes to that of the
    wishes of the other 373,000 plus party members
    that would not vote for Nightingale.

    As far as I know, the same SoS that decided that the A’sIP affiliated group is the legitimate AIP that has access to the ballot also considers the primary results binding and lists the winners as the party’s official candidates on the ballot.

    Am I wrong about that?

    If the primary voters are not the ones who determine who the candidates are, who is?

    Is there an election where a larger number of AIP voters participated, which selected different (or no) candidates for various offices?

    If your position is that the vast majority of AIP registered voters voted against running a candidate by not voting in the AIP primary for governor, then wouldn’t that mean you would have zero candidates, since the vast majority of AIP registered voters did not vote in the AIP primary for any office?

  72. Angry Aryan

    I knew this sight was run by Jew vermin. Thanks for confirming it, demonic subhumans.

    The white power movement is getting bigger and I’m sure glad I’m not a nigger!

  73. Hint: Not The Brain

    The white bowel movement is getting bigger, put a shotgun in your ass and pull the trigger, blow out your brains – but don’t leave a mess, wear a depends diaper underneath your dress.

    Fixed it for ya AA!

  74. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie,

    The American Independent Party has 1st and 14th
    amendment rights. It is the State Central Committee that controls the use of its label.

    Don Grundmann has not been on the State Central
    Committee of the AIP, since September 2, 2008.

    Patrick Colglazier is the Alameda County Chairman of the American Independent Party.
    Ida Grundmann (Don Grundmann’s mom) may
    be on the County Central Committee of Alameda
    County, but Don Grundmann is not.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  75. Cody Quirk

    The American Independent Party is not running
    anyone for Governor. The party has 1st and 14th amendment rights. It is not required to
    except the will of 24,000 votes to that of the
    wishes of the other 373,000 plus party members
    that would not vote for Nightingale.

    =Yet what about the 380,000 plus party members that refused to vote for Markham Robinson?

    Remember, Robinson only got 17,327 votes in the Primary.

    They can’t remove these people Paulie, they’ve already been certified and placed on the ballot and Seidenberg’s version of the AIP state committee still can’t do a damn thing about it.

  76. King of Swing

    Some of you may be wondering why the “barn” door has not yet swung open.

    Chelena is generally a worthless whore, but, she maybe a useful idiot in this electiohen.

    We need a dedicated public servant like Jerry Brown in Sacramento to represent the interests of the public and the public workers…not a corporate robber baron like eMeg.

    Chelene is a ho, ho, ho chi minh…Jerry Brown, FOR THE WIN!

  77. _

    I am confused, you keep accusing Mark S of being a republican, But, all I hear is how republicans are backing Chelene Nightingale, how she is looking for republicans to endorse her!! Is she CP or is she “anybody” that wants “anybody” to vote for her and if she steals from the rep. pool fine. I find this dirty tactics myself. She should not be running CP as she does panders to republicans. Am I wrong on this one?

  78. _

    and another thought new Poll yesterday has Jerry Brown at 47% Meg at 42% If anything Nightingale must be secretly working democrat..as with her splitting the rep vote Jerry will be in FOR SURE. So it works the same way as you say mark is working for the reps. And its not that megs supporters are going to nightingale, they are now pro Jerry. Beware what you wish for, you might not get it..

  79. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    I sure have no idea whom I will push for California’s ‘Da Gov’ now that Mark R is not on the ballot. [Yes, locally, state wide, nationally, people / voters ask me for advice ……….]

    Now that I have cooled off with Lib Christina Tobin, I have no picks on chief elections official / Secretary of State.

    I usually have a small short list of non Democans / non Repblicrats …………

    Whom would have thot that more candidates would have not solved a ‘throw the bums out’ delima.

    Excellent ‘spread sheet’ for pretty much any election at http://www.politics1.com

    Once again the beleaguered citizens of the ‘west coast’ get the rag tag government that they richly deserve, sadly!

    Little Ms Asterisk, Nightmare Nightingale, adding or subtracting from any one’s Novembers totals?

    I think not ——— but I am biased, based upon my first hand attempts to endorse her [with out dead presidents in my hand].

  80. Cody Quirk

    I am confused, you keep accusing Mark S of being a republican, But, all I hear is how republicans are backing Chelene Nightingale, how she is looking for republicans to endorse her

    = Funny, I’m hearing the opposite, in fact Republicans are trying to bash Chelene.

  81. _

    Rasmusson poll Sept. 22, 2010
    Meg Whitman 46%
    Jerry Borwn 47%
    Some other 4%
    Not sure 3%

    Speaks for itself folks….I like Jerry personally, He knows what CA is all about and we need an experienced man at this point

  82. wolfefan

    Hi Mark S –

    Actually, I _was_ missing something… I see that the link I provided references state central committee officers, not all members. Sorry for the error!

  83. Mark Seidenberg

    Wolfefan,

    Yes! You are missing something. In your post # 96, you questioned the Officers List, Excluding
    the National Committee members.

    Mr. Don Lake is not an officer of the SCC. He is
    just a member of the SCC. We only list the names of officers. We do not list the names of SCC members on the website.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008.

  84. Cody Quirk

    Rasmusson poll Sept. 22, 2010
    Meg Whitman 46%
    Jerry Borwn 47%
    Some other 4%
    Not sure 3%

    = So Chelene could have that 4% by now, that’s a good increase.

  85. JT

    Cody: “= So Chelene could have that 4% by now, that’s a good increase.”

    She could, but that’s doubtful. There are other third-party candidates for governor of California on the ballot besides Nightingale.

  86. Mark Seidenberg

    Cody,

    No, Chelene Nightingale “could not have
    4% by now”. Remember, the three others in the
    race, viz., Dale Ogden, Carlos Alvarez, & Laura
    Wells.

    You are now doing math like Chelene Nightingale. Remember, in the primary Nightingale published that illegal alliens cost the
    people of the State of California each year 12 million dollars, viz., less that 34 and one half cents per person in California per year.

    This is the same type of fool math that Nightingale uses. No wonder she is bankrupt.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008.

    P.S. That dollar sign tatoo will not help here.

  87. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    September 22, 2010:

    Cody: “= So Chelene [Ward Nightingale] could have that 4% by now, that’s a good increase.”

    JT: She could, but that’s doubtful. There are other third-party candidates for governor of California on the ballot besides Nightingale.

    Lake: Quirk’s quirkie arithmetic? Faulty logic? Immature exuberance? Knowingly lying?

  88. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Mark Seidenberg // Sep 22, 2010:
    Mr. Don Lake is not an officer of the SCC. He is
    just a member of the SCC.

    [Lake: that’s as I understood it.]

    MORE NIGHTMARE NIGHTINGALE

    DECLARATION

    I, Donald Raymond Lake, am using this documentation as a declaration concerning state level office holding opportunities with the American Independent Party of California. I am available for such duty.

    More over, as of February, 2010, I was and am a duly registered member of the American Independent Party of California, FORMERLY affiliated with the Constitution Party USA and currently an ally of the national America’s Independent Party.

    I will, to the best of my belief and ability, attempt to fulfill such duties. At such times that my personal thoughts may not exactly fit the current party dogma, I understand that I have the right, if not the obligation, to remain aloof and silent.

    I declare that I am a sincere and un reluctant potential AIP officer. I so say to the best of my believe and knowledge. I do not seek to evade or mislead.

    One item that I can not and will not remain silent about is the criminal presence of one Chelene Ward; Chelene Hope, Chelene Nightingale, and or Chelene Ward Nightingale on the November General Election Ballot.

    While I appreciate your earlier efforts to separate her from the partisan label, I feel that even more needs to be done.

    Is there any way I [or Tish Firmiss] can initiate a press release to urge voters not to vote for her later this fall?

  89. Don Grundmann

    Lake – Like I said before – you don’t want to meet me. I am beyond sick of an ultra corrupt lying rat like you attacking a totally honorable and courageous candidate such as Chelene. You are truly a disgrace to the human race. I am glad that God created Hell. You will certainly have your own richly deserved room there. The Veterans Home was obviously correct to throw a psychotic like you right out the door. The only way you are in the AIP is because the state recognizes, via fraud, the Robinson criminal entereprise/gang. It is fitting that a revolting slug like you be promoted by traitors to be in the hijacked party. You, as a disgusting freak, are a perfect representation of their to-the-bone-and-beyond Republican/ADL/SPLC corruption. All anyone needs to know of the Robinson corruption is encapsulated by you being on the State Central Committee of these traitors to the nation and humanity. You are simply an ultra stupid shill for Meg Whitman. Just as your masters Robinson and Seidenberg want you to be.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  90. Davi Rodrigues

    I would like to say that everyone in Chelene’s camp should be giving a medal to the few that pushed her royal butt in the wheelchair most of the way to sac. It’s hight time that the people who REALLY walked the walk got recognized for this effort.

  91. King of Swing

    Hola Pendejos!

    Yes…the BARN door will swing open…but probably not before the election….

    We need a Governor who will represent the interests of the hard working public employees, not those of the ultra-moneyed class. That is why JERRY BROWN needs to be our next Governor. He is a life long public employee. eMeg is a major league corporate whore.

    If Chelena can help make Brown our next governor – she gets a short break before her animal porn video hits the internets!

    I only regret I don’t have those same kind of tapes of eMeg to post as well.

    Gs Up Hos Down…

    Vaya con Cuervo.

  92. Red Phillips

    “Some of you may be wondering why the “barn” door has not yet swung open.”

    “but probably not before the election….”

    Put up or shut up, big mouth! Otherwise you are a slandering liar.

  93. Chelena Nightingale

    Please Mr. King of Swing, don’t put out that video…I beg of you…I will do anything you want…anything….please, pretty please with you on top…I will be your slave forever….just don’t put that nasty video on the internet, please!

    I did not know what I was doing. I was black out drunk and high on pills and meth, this is so embarassing…what if my kids see it? I don’t even know how many kids I have so this could be really bad.

    Please, please, please don’t put out the video Sir.

  94. Davi Rodrigues

    King of Swing,

    I’m generally a person given to free speech, but in your case the old saying”you get what you pay for” comes to mind. Women should not be treated in this fashion, even dishonest lying frauds, because it degrades our community as a whole. Barnyard animal sex associations are a manifestation of a twisted, demented, and depraved mind, and I’d urge you not spend time dwelling in that arena, even if your justification for it is a necessary evil.
    Now look what you’ve done…You got me talking like Mr Grundmann

  95. _

    btw Per my understanding God did not create Hell. A person creates their own Hell. Sometimes on earth, sometimes in the here after…God gave us free will, Its how we use this free will, he owuld never impose such fate. But, we impose it upon ourselves. (church time over) back to your respective corners and keep the fight clean. 🙂

  96. Don Grundmann

    Red – ” King of Swing;” i.e.; Mark Seidenberg, simply illustrates the tactic to attack Chelene and draw votes from her to Whitman – accuse her of revolting behavior or simply accuse her of anything. No proof needed nor is it wanted as the accusation is enough. Seidenberg spreads his attacks all across the Internet as any good Republican operative; i.e; liar; would. He has, as shown so many times, no conscience and is the crystallization of evil.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

    P.S. – He has, as I predicted, never answered your original questions on policy and this because it means nothing to him unless it is that of his Republican, ADL, and SPLC handlers which then results in Lake being put on the AIP State Cnetral Committee to illustrate their control and objectives for the party.

  97. _

    Why doesn’t Mark S just join the republicans? Why would he scheme with this fringe 3rd party, if he really works for the republican party. Third parties don’t even make a dent with all the votes are counted. This sounds a bit paranoid to me. “A thought for today”If you lie to yourself – and forget it is a lie – then you will lie to others without even knowing it” You will seem very sincere about it. That is due to misinterpretation of your own depth. Thus you will misinterpret others. you will dostort interpretations..because of the lies you yourself believe to be true…..have a nice day

  98. Davi Rodrigues

    @post 123

    You sir state my position in depth. Many liars have to convince themselves first so they can be more convincing to others. Some of them can seperate reality from their deciet, and others get caught up in their own web and forget they are liars. I’m not entirely sure where Chelene is at this point. Maybe still caught between the two, But back a few months ago I could still tell that she was aware that she was lying.

  99. walt

    Hi its been awhile but, I found somethinf re: Bill Lussenheide for congress ca-45 and his donating to the Chelene Nightingale for governor campaign. On another site it gave the SEC listings and documents for the public to see so I was curious, I browsed the donations when I came upon a donation from Lussenheide to the Nightingale campaign it listed his occupations a ‘RETIRED” THAT HE GAVE 600.00. HMM thats funny I thought Lussenheide was an investment advisor/window washer! ?? Very curious, now why would he have them list him as retired? Maybe so it would not show up on his tax reports? maybe because he wasn’t using his own money? I would like to know is he “retired” or is this some type of a dodge for legal tax or otherwise?? can someone explain, or should I dig deeper>?

  100. Cody Quirk

    You are now doing math like Chelene Nightingale. Remember, in the primary Nightingale published that illegal alliens cost the
    people of the State of California each year 12 million dollars, viz., less that 34 and one half cents per person in California per year.

    = What gives you the right to judge? Do you know what part of that 4% she is receiving.

    How much did the GOP pay you guys, Mark?

    CFR Walt; show us the links.

  101. walt

    found the infor on “Ballot Access” California Secretary of State Releases New registrations Date Sept. 17, 2010. You can click on link provided by Winger. You arrive at the Sec Of state documents site. I found the information there. On Nightingales disclosure of campaign donations.

  102. walt

    whats CFR? (if its snarky, thats not necessary) I am not being rude, just asking questions, about someone that seeks Political office on OUR DIME.

  103. Mark Seidenberg

    Walt,

    Please post were you found the information on Nightingale donations.

    Next, please note that Dr. Don Grundmann is not
    the “D. C. Chairman of the American Independent Party”. He holds no office in the
    American Independent Party. He has not been
    on the AIP State Central Committee since September 2, 2008.

    Davi, Nightingale is in Roseville, CA at this time.
    This evening she will be in Lincoln, CA. You might what to tell the people there about her past.

    Mr. Don Lake was elected to the AIP State Central Committee for the remainder of the
    term that Don Grundmann gave up on September 3, 2006.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with the
    America’s Independent Party since June 27, 2008.

  104. walt

    Merk s see the above I found it on Ballot access Richard wingers site..under ” California Secretary of state releases new Registrations” Date : Sept. 17, 2010. On Mr. Wingers article he has a hi-lighted link when you click on that link to see registrations, it takes to the CA SEC of state website. There they have all the links to click on to see Candidates cmapign donations, its all available to the public. And its already been registered so “sneaky sneaks” can’t go in there and try to change what was turned in. I have re-read it 5 times, and Lussenheide is listing himself as retired. curious curious serious? let me know, I am bored to day 🙂

  105. walt

    and another thing lol, maybe Lussenheide is laundering money to the campaign. I do find it highly suspect being this is an “investment advisor” (wink wink) surely he knows all the routes for “safe guarding” campaign donations (wink wink) surely he knows the Ramifications of trying to conceal his occupation (wink wink) Integrity hmm transparent?? hmmm wish Lussenheide would address this, might have to ask his campaign about this. maybe he retired?? (wink wink) at age 52?? sure would like some answers so i can sleep tonight…Mark what do you think>?

  106. walt

    I smell A “BELL” like scandal……but, I am just Joe Q Public..what do I know. Why should I care….

  107. Davi Rodrigues

    I posted those Nightingale campaign disclosures statements because they were not on the secretary of state electronic site. I got the copies and uploaded them, but there should be another month or two in there now.

    Where is Chelene going to be at in Roseville or Lincoln? Didn’t see anything on her campaign trail postings about that. Not surprising though, she’d want to keep her public exposure in a low profile while around these parts, else she might get people asking real questions

  108. Cody Quirk

    BTW, 600 dollars isn’t incriminating evidence. ANYBODY that’s retired and living on a fixed income can easily have 600 dollars on hand to spare.

    My own dad is retired, yet still does maintenance work for a relative and gets paid under the table, and has every right to have an additional income.

    Walt, you’re an idiot, you can’t even type proper sentences correctly.
    Don Lake, how about you man up and stop posting under different names like the coward that you are?

  109. Cody Quirk

    You know Seidenberg, we’re not trying to attack and bash Ed Noonan in his US Senate campaign like you’re trying to do with Nightingale.

    An AIP’er that try’s to sabotage another AIP’ers candidacy is obviously not an AIP’er, but only masquerading as one.

    How much did the GOP pay you guys to do what you did?

  110. walt

    I just called Lussenheide Capital his company and well, they are in business, and Lussenheide is not retired. So why list you are retired when giving 600.00 to chelene Nightingale? Its no crime, but I see a sneaky little dodge on this one. He does not want the IRS or anyone else knowing he is giving money to Nightingale. He makes his money off other peoples money…(fee based advisor) So maybe he doesn’t want his clients knowing he is giving money to nightingale, I think it may be a bit more….I am going to consult with my friend at the IRS. I will get back to you.

  111. walt

    btw Lussenheide who is running for congress in district 45 in California, should no better than try to conceal this type of stuff. He blogs how we need transparency in Government, well, Lets start at the people that wish to run our government. Starting out as a liar does not bode well. I hope to hear from him, or his campaign on this. Otherwise, I might have to ask the papers out in the Inland Empire.

  112. walt

    davy click on the link I posted you can copy from your computer Its all there Public disclosure. Thats what great about American WE the people, can find out about THE PEOPLE that wish us to endorse them.

  113. walt

    well, Lussenheide who is running against Mary Bono out there in Riverside might be able to get some answers as he is trying to siphon republican votes for his campaign. Tell Lussenheide if he could address this “retired” issue. I have some friends out in that district Palm Springs, I think I’ll mention this to them, they are working with the republicans out there. Hope Lussenheide can explain this.

  114. walt

    and I don’t think planting maLWEAR on the SEC site will work, that seems to be the modus Operandi Of his campaign. They like to squash what they feel people shouldn’t know. works both ways, I say. 🙂

  115. walt

    Funny I am listening to how Rizzo from bell, hid his salary, filed false papers etc… Come on Lussenheide, whats the deal. Why list you are retired. You don’t list you are retired on your campaign website. Is this fraud? Please some answers.

  116. Cody Quirk

    I doubt Bill would cover up a mere 600 dollars, especially when he listed it.

    You need to get a life.

  117. Mark Seidenberg

    Walt,

    It is news to me, but Gary Odom is also listed as retire. I did not know that he retired from employment from the Constitution Party.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with
    the America’s Independent Party since June 27,
    2008.

  118. Don Grundmann

    Cody – ” walt ” is Mark Seidenberg writing under his usual fake name and to himself.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  119. Don Grundmann

    ” Where is Chelene going to be at in Roseville or Lincoln? Didn’t see anything on her campaign trail postings about that. Not surprising though, she’d want to keep her public exposure in a low profile while around these parts, else she might get people asking real questions ”

    Response – Mr. Rodrigues – In answer to yet another assinine attack from you upon Chelene she was in Lincoln tonight and spoke at a candidate forum. She was outstanding and there were many people afterward who commented that she would be getting many votes from them. She was received very enthusiatically and answered many questions both before and especially after the event. She was, and is, a very impressive candidate. She was definately NOT ” low profile ” and many people asked her ” real ” questions; a total refutation of your stupid and supremely idiotic comment. Too bad you didn’t show up. Your ludicrous questions would have exposed you as a walking turd to the people at the event. They would have compared you and Chelene and instantly recognized you as a lunatic. A good dose of reality may still help you, if you have even a shread of hope, to recover from your sad continuing case of juvinile jealousy.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  120. Davi Rodrigues

    Can’t wait to see a video of the “real” questions that were asked, and her answers. also, how many people was she able to draw this time? I see she is working the TEA Party Patriots group…you know; the one who accepted a million bucks from the owner of univision, the mexican TV station.

  121. walt

    I don’t like people running who “piggyback” on to another political parties agenda. I mean at this point why didn’t Nightingale run as a republican? She mirrors Whitman, and it seems like dirty pool to siphon off, the dumb ones who she ropes in with the rhetoric, Freedom. Its like the pilot fish that swim by the whale in the ocean to eat the scraps that fall from the whales catch. I mean if you are CP…Run on CP don’t be disingenious, and look for easy marks to join your group. This reminds me of Cult leaders, who people follow a “personality” rather than an idea. Its all very frightening, and disturbing.

  122. Don Grundmann

    ” walt ” – Mark – Since you are a hatchet man and mole for the Republicans then admit it. Don’t be ” disingenuous.”

    Mr. Rodrigues – A) She is reaching out to all groups. YOU are not. B) She has a campaign and is fighting to save the state and the nation. YOU do not and are not. C) The amount of people that she ” was able to draw ” is as it always was – 100 times more than YOU ever will. D) She is traveling all across the state to speak to people. YOU are not. And who would listen to YOU anyway? Why don’t you ask your idiotic ” questions ” here? I will save Chelene time and answer them for her. No need for her to waste her time on answering the questions of a grown up in diapers.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  123. walt

    “save the Nation?” Nurse!!!!! (this is what happens when people don’t take their meds) I used to know a guy that stood at the corner in downtown LA and would up signs and say “it’s the end of the world” and other such drivel, this was in the 70’s..I think he truely believed he was delivering an urgent message. I think the same way about this CP group, They feel so very helpless, and need to vent out their hatred of Obama and others who they misdirect their hatred for their own lot in life. Go ahaead have fun, Will talk on Nov. 3rd. Will you all be leaving the country If Nightingale and the rest lose in the election? Let us know, I’d like to bid adieu to you. Have a great day.

  124. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    walt // Sep 24, 2010 at 11:23 am

    I don’t like people running who “piggyback” on to another political parties agenda. I mean at this point why didn’t Nightingale run as a republican?

    [Lake: or even running off of the California American Independent Party label as a ‘no name’ independent? At least wackie Chiropractor Grundmann self destructed in June.]

  125. Davi Rodrigues

    No Mr Grundmann,

    Ill be asking her myself. You are not the one who lied on a bankruptcy petition. You are not the one who borrowed from a fellow patriot with dishonest intent. You are not the one who evades paying back the debt to that fellow patriot. You are not the one who claimed to be managing director of a non-profit while it was not in compliance with the state. You are not the one who claims to be the savior of California’s finances with a disaster of a financial record of their own. You are not the one who failed to manage a small group of patriots due to megalomania. You are not the one who proclaims their support and love for felons who plead guilty to drug and weapons charges. I could go on and on, but no…I’ll save the rest for the one who needs to answer for her past. Hope to see you there

  126. Cody Quirk

    Cody – ” walt ” is Mark Seidenberg writing under his usual fake name and to himself.

    = Yeah, its probably him.

  127. Cody Quirk

    She mirrors Whitman

    = She is nothing like Whitman and you arguments are laughable, Mr. Seidenberg.

  128. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Mark Seidenberg // Sep 23, 2010:
    “……. but Gary Odom is also listed as retire(d) …….”

    [Lake: may be that refers to that little dust up with the do little California Bar / State Lawyers’ Protection Agency *sarcasm* prior to Odom giving up his privilege of practicing law? I mean, how corrupt do you have to be to be forced out the Attorney’s Union? ——– Don’t ask me, ask Scarey Gary!]

  129. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Don Grundmann // September 24, 2010:

    Mark [Seidenberg] – Since you are a hatchet man and mole for the Republicans then admit it. Don’t be ” disingenuous.”

    [Lake: not that I could tell, I have found Two Marks and an Ed to be imperfect but truly ‘fair and balanced’ ——— unlike ………]

  130. walt

    I’d like to go to one of these meet greets, just to show you all…(smirk) that I am not Mark s. lol you know, even if I showed up and said hey its meee over here…somebody (name with held) would proclaim that mark sent me as his shill. I guess the only way to remedy this were to have mark and I show up together, perhaps pose for some pictures autographs (if you please), but, then I can hear a (certain someone) saying that I was still a shill and that I was not walt. Sooo I guess I could use skype and have myself on video as I type this BS (lol) and then maybe maybe I can’t get the damn credit I derserve! (deserve?) Look I am tired, I am not going to be blogging much longer.. So just humor me, and let me have some crdit for my own writing. (not holding my breath)

  131. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    [a] in July of 2009, Citizens For A Better Veterans investigated the opportunity of endorsing Nightmare Nightingale (Lake’s term) in 2010.

    [b] we mentioned up front that we had little or no moola

    [c] we included email, voice mail, and SASE envelopes and postal cards. Not one word, including, ‘go away’ or ‘go to hell’ or any thing!

    [d] look at her personal ‘political services’ site, money, money, money

    [e] things are soooooooooooo bad that she is selling her garage?

    [f] I have a $1,000,000 bill from a Sandy Ego County congregation, will she take that?

  132. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    JOINING CHUCK BALDWIN?

    THE WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST IS [POLITICALLY] DEAD

    Ding, dong, the wicked witch

    Ding, dong, the wicked witch is (politically) dead

    Inland Empire Realty Board:

    ‘6839 Boeing Ave. Fontana, CA 92336’

    …….. possibly for lots less than the mortage!

  133. Cody Quirk

    Davi, having a garage sale isn’t a sign of the campaign doing bad; I’ve had one or two because I simply had a bunch of crap I wanted to get rid off.

    Man, you need to see a shrink!

    And you need to get over her!

  134. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    SPACE CADET CAPTAIN CODY BANKS QUIRK BOY

    21ST CENTURY SUPPER JERK

    ‘….. just look at the activists ‘ [Lake] // Sep 24, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    BYE BYE NIGHTMARE NIGHTINGALE

    NEVADA? UTAH? MONTANA?

    events.pe.com/fontana-ca/venues/show/992816-fontana-parkline – Cached
    #437

    Irvine Garage Sales, Yard & Estate Sales by Map | Irvine …

    6839 Boeing Ave, Fontana, Ca Post date: 09/20 /2010 @11:13 AM … FONTANA, CA 92336

    BEECH AND BASELING

    COME GET IT

    WE ARE MOVING FAR AWAY AND DON’T WANT ALL THIS STUFF.

    gsalr.com/garage-sales-irvine-ca.html – Cached

    (mucho mappo, takes for ever *slight exaggeration* to down load)

    1960s: JFK, RFK, Teddy

    1972: Trickie Dick

    1974: Puppet Fill In Ford

    1980: Mister Olympics Jimmy Carter

    1992: Schrub Senior

    2002: Gray Davis

    2008: Opeach Obama, my Yokohoma Momma

    2009: Nightmare Nightingale

    You hope after hope, and the ‘guiding lights’ turn out to be corrupt crooks

    Man, you need to see a shrink!

    And you need to get over her!

    Unless she is moving to Nevada, or Utah, or Montana!

  135. Chelena Nightingale

    This is what I have to do, I am moving down to Mexico to hide in shame and do donkey shows, because Mr. King of Swing who is a smooth mack daddy pimp and a violent felon will not agree not to post that horrible nasty video on 12-11-10 at 9:07:08!

    I got on my knees and begged (and did a few other things while I was down there as you may imagine) but still his ice cold heart would not be moved.

    What will my countless children think (really…I lost count of them), when the BARN door swings open on 12-11-10?!

  136. Chelena Nightingale

    Please, please Mr. King of Swing, you are a well paid state employee with an excellent retirement benefit package and are well endowed, you don’t have to do this…please do not be so cruel Sir.

  137. Crybaby

    Please Mr. Administrator…please protect my one remaining virgin ear….the bad man put something big and hard to my soft, wet, virgin ear, then I heard a pop, and I can’ t remember after that but now I’m all confused and dizzy and stuff….there is some blood and goo around my ear and my SAT score went down like 600 points from last week.

    Can you help me please?

  138. wolfefan

    Hi Crybaby –

    No, I don’t like the comments. The admins sometimes delete comments that they think are over the line. Maybe these are, maybe they aren’t – it isn’t my call. If they leave them up, that’s okay – it’s not my site and I don’t pay for access, so my opinion is just that – and worth exactly what I’m paid for it. 🙂

    My problem with the comments isn’t that they’re vulgar – I’m vulgar plenty of times myself, just not on this site. It’s that they’re essentially content free. Plenty of posters on the Libertarian threads, like Eric Dondero, use vulgarity and call names and throw around accusations. But Dondero’s posts taken as a whole are more than just name-calling and insults. There’s content there, and ideas, and actual stuff to respond to.

    These posts are different. There is literally nothing but innuendo. No actual, usable information or opinion that anyone can either agree or disagree with. It doesn’t rise to the level of parody or satire or sarcasm. It’s not smart enough to be wit or even snark.

    It’s not the language or the imagery – it’s that the language and imagery don’t advance an argument or propose an idea or move the debate at all. It’s just wasting someone else’s bandwidth. It’s like spray-painting racial or sexual graffitti on someone else’s garage door. It’s especially frustrating when folks like Red specifically ask for debate and feedback and ideas, and get nothing but this kind of stuff.

    Another problem for me is that it’s obviously one person posting under multiple names. I don’t have any issue with anonymity – obviously, since I don’t use my real name here. What I do have an issue with is switching identities to avoid accountability. Many folks here (LibertarianGirl, for instance) use the same name over and over so that there is a level of accountability and consistency within the context of this board. Other posters such as this one lack the courage to even adopt a consistent nom-de-Intertubez. Again, just an opinion worth exactly what I am being paid for it.

    YMMV, of course – and for some I am sure it will. That’s okay – it’s a big Internet and there’s room for everyone. I enjoy the site and visit regularly and learn a lot – and expect to continue to do so.

    Best wishes, Crybaby.

  139. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – In response to your sickness of comment #156 – A) A lie by you. B) A setup for Chelene by those who can refuse payment and then claim that they were not paid. It is expected ( in tune with your character ) that you would support such a fraud. C) Another lie. D) More B.S. and exaggeration by you. E) Chelene can have wonderful ideas for saving the state finances and still be in bankruptcy herself. I seem to remember from our discussion that you are not rich yourself. That does not preclude you from having ideas to save the state finances and it also does not preclude you from being a total idiot. F) ” the one who failed to manage a small group of patriots due to megalomania.” Only a total stupid fool nitwit would make such a statement. Why don’t you look in the mirror??? Your stupid ego needs to be “managed?????” Grow up!!! It is you who are the ego maniac, not to mention being a total a$%^&*(e. You continually preen your ego and claim that you are sooooo wronged. Bull!! Your assinine comments show how right Chelene was. It is YOU who are screwed up – not her. G) ” proclaims their love and support for felons.” You take any imaginary dirt that you can and throw it against the wall. What a pathetic attack. But I know that the silliness of it will not deter you for a second from your sick obsession with revenge. H) ” who needs to answer for her past.” Well Mr. God YOU apparently know ( of course it is totally in your sick imagination ) what she has ” to answer for.” From what you have shown me I am in total agreement with whatever she said to you because it all boils down to you being a sick obsessed a——e. You have my guarantee that if you harass her and I am there you will be stopped. I will not put up with a fool like you for one second. Grow up idiot. You are like a stalker. How old are you???? It is time to grow up. The days of being a baby are ( should be ) over.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  140. Don Grundmann

    Cody – You are right. I thought that all the comments were from Mark Seidenberg and while the vast majority are #170 and #171 ( Chelena Nightingale ) are from Don Lake. It just shows what a lapdog he is that he has to copy Seidenberg by writing under fake names but it also shows how revolting and vile he is. True to his character.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  141. La Chelena: one in the pink, three in the stink...

    Ay burro….ay papi….no…

    I dance around this empty house
    Tear us down, throw you out
    Screaming down the halls
    Spinning all around and now we fall

    Pictures framing up the past
    Your taunting smirk behind the glass
    This museum full of ash
    Once a tickle, now a rash

    I used to be a fun ho
    But now I’m just an evil clown
    It’s time to start the countdown
    I’m gonna barn it down, down, down
    I’m gonna barn it down (Viva Mexico!)

    12/11/10, 09:08:07, fun

    Echoes knocking on locked doors
    All the laughter from before
    I’d rather live out on the street
    Than in this haunted memory
    (I’ve been recorded…I can’t afford it)

    I’ve called the movers, called the maids
    We’ll try to gangbang up this place
    Drag my mattress to the yard
    Crumble, tumble house of cards

    I used to be a fun ho
    But now I’m just an evil clown
    It’s time to start the countdown
    I’m gonna barn it down, down, down
    I’m gonna barn it down (chupa pinga!)

    I used to be a fun ho
    But now I’m just an evil clown
    It’s time to start the countdown
    I’m gonna barn it down, down, down
    I’m gonna barn it down (necessita drogas!)

    12/11/10, 09:08:07, fun

    I’m crawling through the doggy door
    As well befits a doggy whore
    I’ll change the drapes, I’ll break the plates
    I’ll find a new place, barn this fucker down

    Do, do, do, do, do, do, do
    Do, do, do, do, do, do, do
    Do, do, do, do, do, do, do
    Do, do, do, do, da, da, da, da

    Do, do, do, do, do, do, do
    (12/11/10)
    Do, do, do, do, do, do, do
    (09:08:07)
    Do, do, do, do, do, do, do
    (12/11/10)
    Do, do, do, do, do, do, do
    (09:08:07)

    I used to be a fun ho
    But now I’m just an evil clown
    It’s time to start the countdown
    I’m gonna barn it down, down, down
    I’m gonna barn it down (Ay, mi culo!)

    I used to be a fun ho
    But now I’m just an evil clown
    It’s time to start the countdown
    I’m gonna barn it down, down, down
    I’m gonna barn it down (chupa chupa cinco dolares)

  142. Davi Rodrigues

    Mr Grundmann,

    You’re goint to stop me from asking questions of Nightingale? That’s very telling. Is the candidate so weak as to not be able to stand a little scrutiny? That’s a rhetorical question of course.

    You and the rest of those who continue to question my maturity or sanity for asking questions, relaying information or trying to stimulate conversation about propriety should examine your own levels of same.

  143. walt

    davi, we get your message, trust me many people know and have read and have looked at Nightingales youtubes about Chemtrails and being a 9-11 truther. I think people just don’t care what she does or says…30 more days my friend, and we won’t have to hear another word about this woman ever ever again. Stay true Davi

  144. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Hey, since I am no longer a supporter, he has threaten to flatten me [physical assault, illegal physical assault] on numerous occassions.

    Nightmare Nightingale, exit stage right, (selling her garage, stating that they are moving far away, home up for sale) ………. your opinions?

  145. walt

    I don’t think thats her house don lake. She lives in Palmdale not fontana, fontana was the address of her late great former campaign manager some john guy….F*^k!! lol I can hardly wait till nov 2, hey lake we will have a toast here….|_/ drink up my boy HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!!!!!

  146. walt

    Theres really only one more scheme up their sleeve, that would be the old…(cough cough) I have cancer and only 4 years to live vote for me for my last dying wish! Okay going to watch football….ta

  147. Don Grundmann

    Cody – Remember that ” walt ” is Mark Seidenberg so it is no surprise to see the corruption which flows from all of his writings.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  148. Davi Rodrigues

    Grundmann is seeing a Seidenberg behind every tree, under every rug, and in every attic, but the rest of us are the one’s who can’t get over someone…..Physician heal thyself….

  149. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    walt // Sep 25, 2010:
    “don’t think that’s her [Nightmare Nightingale / Chelene Ward Nightingale] house Don Lake. She lives in Palmdale not Fontana, ”

    [Lake: she is soooooo shady and reclusive that I was just taking on Davi’s lead concerning this. I have the Palmdale post office box number, but not a street address! Hopefully by December, Gruntman, Nightmare and (do nothing) Jim King will be together on the dust bin of history! Come on November Second! I still do not know whom my little group will vote for Gubenor. May be one of the truly independents ………]

  150. Cody Quirk

    Grundmann is seeing a Seidenberg behind every tree, under every rug, and in every attic, but the rest of us are the one’s who can’t get over someone…..Physician heal thyself….

    = Let’s not be hypocritical here.

  151. Davi Rodrigues

    Just to show that I’m not trying to hide exculpatory evidence, I have uploaded a document from the federal court showing that Chelene swears she completed a course in personal financial management that is required for all wards of the bankruptcy court before they can receive a discharge from their debts (the ones they didn’t conceal)
    It’s an internet course, so it must be legit.

    http://publicdocumentdistributors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=407&d=1285549244

    So with this financial “degree”, I guess she does have the credentials to manage the California state budget?

  152. Don Grundmann

    ” she is soooooo shady and reclusive ”

    Response – Lake – Yet another outright lie by a damn liar. Chelene is speaking all across the state ( in Marin today ). Anything ” shady ” is in the imagination of Rodrigues and in your own continuous lying.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  153. Cody Quirk

    [b] how did Baldwin do on California’s P2008 Ballot?

    = How did Keyes do nationwide and how many ballots was he on in the first place?

    What’s funny is that Baldwin still got more votes then Peroutka did in 2004.

    Keyes bombed in 2008 BIG TIME

  154. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Grundmann was correct that Nightingale was speaking in Marin County. Both Markham
    and I were also in Mill Valley. However, I was at
    the library (which was open on this Sunday special) at an alternative event. It had a larger
    draw than the one just Northeast which Nightingale attended.

    Earlier in the day, I was with Elliott Graham in
    the Hyatt Hotel in Burlingame, CA. After that
    event I was Mill Valley getting support for Ed
    Noonan for US Senate. Then went to an event
    in Solano County.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  155. Don Grundmann

    ” It had a larger draw than the one just Northeast which Nightingale attended.”

    Response – The ” Groupa Palooza ” conservative event which Chelene spoke at had an estimated crowd of 600. Whatever event which professional mole and ADL/SPLC/Republican agent Mark Seidenberg was at did not have a larger draw; not even for a Meg Whitman event for whom he is an active agent and supporter.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  156. Cody Quirk

    Just like court, a desperate attorney standing on the table and yelling lies at the top of their voice, does not make the spurious charges ‘more true’!

    = Like the nutjob veteran with toilet paper around his head.

  157. Don Grundmann

    Lake – YOU, on countless occasions, have been and still are an outright liar. Your support of the Robinson criminal enterprise, especially via your lies about Chelene, makes you another enabler of their covert support for Whitman in their capacity as agents for the Republican Party, not to mention their work for the ADL and the SPLC as outright practioners of domestic espionage and enemies of our nation. You are simply a sub-agent lapdog of Whitman, the Republicans, the ADL, and the SPLC. They love it when chumps like you do their bidding and then turn around and claim to be ” independent thinkers.” Robinson and Seidenberg can have a ton of good laughs by throwing you dog biscuits to satisfy your stupid ego while you do their pro-Whitman work for them. They will give you biscuits for your good work – roll over, sit, beg, fetch. Good dog!!!

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  158. Davi Rodrigues

    Just got back from UC Davis where the debate took place. It was actually quite interesting on the outside this time. Various factions were there, and of course Brown-whitman banter was the prevailing noise. I saw heated arguments break out several times, and more often than not, it was brown backers trying to shout down meg supporters. I noticed the few Alverez people there as well, but if you thought Chelene had no noticable backing, he was alot worse for the wear than she. Saw Chelene, and all I can say about that vision was that if she cut back on the make up she might be able to afford some prime time TV ad slots.
    There were two highlights to my evening:
    1) got in to a discussion with Alphonso Aguilar, who was former president Bush’s chief of the Border Patrol. I just discovered I actually got the sound on our discussion, because my camera was on when I thought it was off.
    2) Met this one lone foreigner there who had the most unusual sign for this occassion. It had Warplanes, some currency, and some words about Balkans and some equals signs. After he got nobodies attention, I went and asked what his trip was. Through a very heavy accent and a difficult stutter, it turns out he was actually advocating for more war. He was yugoslavian. He wasn’t joking either.
    I’ll have some pics and videos up soon
    Oh, almost forgot. Chelene was largely ignored by the media. A few subculture type rags, and I assume the local student media gave her a little play, but the big boys weren’t interested at all.
    Mr. Grundmann was there, and was not at all cordial, even though I reached out a little. But then again, I might feel the same had I went through all that trouble only to be snubbed by the media and most of the student body, and had to keep at least one of his shifty eyes on me all the time.

  159. Mark Seidenberg

    Davi,

    Thank you for the report. My report of the
    Sunday events in Mill Valley about the same as
    your in Davis. To much make-up on the clown.

    Monday, I was in Davis, CA, I took care that no
    local press would cover the clown nightma

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  160. DerailAmnesty.com

    The “Save California Walk” is over?

    I sure hope Chelene and her contingent were able to stay out from under any aerosol “chemtrails” being sprayed by government operatives … or is it the Bilderberg Group in conjunction with the Rothschilds?

  161. Mark Seidenberg

    I guess Don Grundmann does not understand
    what I was doing in Mill Valley or Davis this week.

    Please note that Don Grundmann has not been an officer in the American Independent Party
    since September 2, 2008.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  162. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Cody Quirk // September 28, 2010:

    Just like court, a desperate attorney standing on the table and yelling lies at the top of their voice, does not make the spurious charges ‘more true’!

    = Like the nut job veteran with toilet paper around his head.

    Oh, who is that, cause it wasn’t and is not Don Lake. Hmmmmmmmmm. Still making it up as you go along, I see. [Pass the white two sided masking tape ………]

  163. Cody Quirk

    Please note that Don Grundmann has not been an officer in the American Independent Party
    since September 2, 2008.

    = Which is still in legal dispute.

    BTW Mark, it looks like your RINO sweetheart (Whitman) is now in hot water for knowingly employing an illegal housekeeper.

  164. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Cody Quirk // Sep 29, 2010:
    ” Mark, it looks like your RINO sweetheart (Whitman) is now in hot water for knowingly employing an illegal housekeeper ……”

    [Lake: ah Quirkie Boy and Doctor Gruntman, ‘making it up as they go along’ and utter convinced, but not convincingly, that their statements will be taken as truth!]

  165. Don Grundmann

    ” I guess Don Grundmann does not understand
    what I was doing in Mill Valley or Davis this week.”

    Response – Mark, I know what you do every minute of every day. It is very simple as you are a traitor to the nation and an enemy of both our nation and humanity as a whole. Your day is the 24/7 ” work ” of destroying the nation by any means possible while maximizing your service to your Republican, Anti-Defamation, League, and Southern Poverty Law Center controllers. You are incapable of doing anything but your primary mission – the production and spread of evil.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  166. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Cody Quirk and Gloria Alred, the 21st Century power couple ………

    I was typing ’bout CALVET / CDVA, dim bulb!

    Whitman, whom Two Marks and an Ed have never had a nice thing to say ’bout, might well be 100% in the wrong, but I for one will not take Gloria’s word for it.

    I assume that your hintings have been shy attempts to garner assistance for whom to advise other to vote for in November 2010 in California. Not Brown, not Whitman, and not Nightmare Nightingale, out side of that I am clue less!

  167. _

    I have
    voodoo dolls now, so when I feel like making a bad comment about ___ I just stick pins my dolls…..:0

  168. Good luck and lessons from history ----- on the current corrupt system .... Lake

    http://www.news.yahoo.com

    the Service Employees International Union, Mi Familia Vota, and America’s Voice are dropping $300,000 on radio ads in Phoenix, Tucson, Denver, Miami, Orlando, Chicago, Houston, and McAllen, TX that slam Republicans for blocking the DREAM Act in the Senate.

    And Whitman’s not the only one with trouble. Gov. Rick Perry in Texas had mostly shied away from the controversy around Arizona’s law and did not emphasize border security with the same fervor that some of his fellow border governors do.

    Under Perry, the state also allows in-state university tuition for illegal immigrants. But Perry’s still polling abysmally low with Latinos, at about 24 percent.

    If he could pull up to the 40 percent range that George W. Bush hit in 2004, he could cruise to victory over his Democratic challenger, Bill White, William McKenzie writes.

    The national Republican rhetoric is putting Western governors in an awkward spot.

    “In both states, the growing Latino population spells disaster for Republicans,” Frank Sharry, director of the immigrant advocacy group America’s Voice, tells the Upshot. “It’s only a matter of time before Texas goes the way of California.

  169. Cody Quirk

    He has never said any thing positive about any $&@$# Republican.

    = He doesn’t have to; his willingness to try kicking AIP candidates off the ballot in order to help the GOP candidates has already brought to light his true character.

  170. Don Grundmann

    Lake – Mark Seidenberg is a mole/agent in service of the Republican Party for the purpose of destroying the Constitution Party so that disaffected Republicans will have no place to go when they want to leave the Republicans and their support of continuous undeclared wars. You know, those things that make more wounded and dead veterans – the people you CLAIM to support. Your support of Seidenberg is simply another manifestation of your backstabbing, in this case the veterans although there are many others that you betray, although you can be too stupid to realize it or to even care in the slightest. He is additionally an agent of the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center; 2 groups well known for their domestic espionage activities in service to both foreign powers ( ADL ) and against the Constitution ( SPLC ). But of course you care not the slightest about these either. You care nothing about the corruption of Seidenberg, Robinson, and Noonan nor of their support of the enemies of the nation as long as they support your sickness.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  171. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – You can always be counted on to make a ludricrous comment. Chelene is a truly outstanding candidate. Everyone who knows her, at least those who are rational and don’t hold personal grudges, are very happy that she is our candidate. I consider her to be very honorable and courageous. Hence your continuous sniping of non-sensical and nebulous accusations only gives her more credibility.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  172. Davi Rodrigues

    Oh puh-leeez Mr Grundmann,

    Your candidate is suffering from a credibility gap that you can see from space now. What flock she has left will start doing reality checks daily now until the election. The saner ones will stop contributing this week or last. We should start seeing the effects of that on Nightingales make-up allowance about mid week, and a desparate ploy for phone bill money a week before the election.
    Don’t forget; I was there, and saw the support base. She barely had enough for another wheelchair tour

  173. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Don’t forget; I was there, and tried to become part of the support base! She sure does not care about veterans. Does not reply to those not scribbling out checks. Does not seem to have a steady address. Some one in Fontana /Riverside County is selling off and moving ‘far away’!

  174. _

    (speaking as announcer at a horse race) “Yes, folks thereeee they go….we “lover libby” in the front…loverlibby gaining, wait here comes “grand old man” yes its “love libby” “grand old man”..neck and neck…”lover libby” —“Grand Old man” neck and neck..BUT WAIT…..”What’s this??” What horse is this galloping to…5th!! 4th!! wait…its not a horse Someone let a jackass on to the course!” (handlers hurry to capture the jackass that made its way to the track) Stay tuned for the winning entry………….

  175. _

    “but, your soo far away, doesn’t anybody, stay in one place anymore, it used to be so good to see your face at my door…but, it doesn’t help to know..your sooo far away…(Carol king)

  176. Don Grundmann

    ” Your candidate is suffering from a credibility gap that you can see from space now.”

    Response – Mr. Rodrigues – Actually I write this as a friend although you certainly will not recognize this comment as such. Your true friends will tell you the truth. Your comment above is the comment of a fool. Chelene has in reality NO ” credibility gap.” The only such ” gap ” comes from your imagination and foaming-at-the-mouth desire for her to fail and the continuous lies of, secondarily, your fellow fool Lake and, primarily, of the traitor/mole/ADL-SPLC agent Seidenberg writing his lies all across the Internet. In reality more and more people are not only listening to the message of Chelene but are moving to support her. In the world of fantasy you will have her failing no matter what happens. Just as Seidenberg chooses corruption and Lake chooses to be a fool you exist in your fantasy by your own choice. You can choose to wake up or you can waste your now existence in the fantasy inside your head. You ” saw ” the support base; a base which you sneer at while it was bigger than anything you have ever built. In reality Chelene has a support base. YOU do not and you will not and this because you choose to seek your fantasy revenge and attempt to warp reality to your sickened imagination. You can step away from the bar where each moment you try to drink a shot glass full of revenge. Or you can be a revenge alcoholic. Your choice.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  177. Cody Quirk

    Willingness to try and kick Chelene off the AIP ballot could easily be viewed as cutting off a hand to save an arm.

    = Yeah, Whitman’s arm, that is.

  178. Cody Quirk

    And I have no compunction to derailing Nightmare Nightingale and the national Constitutional Party. I consider it my patriotic duty.

    = Funny how you fail miserably at it; the CP keeps growing and Tancredo is now polling in second place in Colorado.

  179. Davi Rodrigues

    More lies by Chelene:

    From her webpage:

    Television credits followed including commercials, a local soap opera “Elliott Bay”, and an episode of “Northern Exposure”.

    From IMDB: All of the cast right down to the ones who did one episode…..no Chelene’s

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098878/fullcredits#cast

    She’s like one of those pretender war heroes who wears medals when they weren’t even in the military.

  180. _

    btw nightingale would have to pull over 5 million votes to beat brown or whitman….um, really? primary brown got almost 2 million votes and so did whitman. The math dos not add up. But, then again most of what she does doesn’t add up…

  181. _

    latest poll shows 1% for nightingale PPIC Sept 30th Peace and freedom candidate at 2% and Libertarian Dale Ogden at 2%……(but of course the polls all lie we all lie and everyone is a socialist commie “the world according to Nightingale” doh!

  182. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    at $23 per hour I, in my present physical state, will avail my self to dusting, cleaning toilets, wiping mirrors any where in Sandy Ego County.

    No Whitman [or Carley Fieorna (sp)] fan, and will not be voting for Meg, Jerkie Jerry, of Nightmare Nightingale.

    How ever, in fair ness, Ms Whitman [or her staff] did recruit thru an agency. Nicki used her nearly identical sister’s ID, including SSAN. And upon her real world status being revealed, she was terminated.

    On the other hand,

    [a] you have money dripping out of your purse

    [b] you are a high profile person

    [c] you seek more spot lighting in the political arena

    [d] you can bend over and do a couple of hours of house work per day your self [or have that boy toy of a husband do so]

    [e] you could have given permission for your domicile that ‘lived in look’

    [f] you could have gone to local schools and hired American born students per semester

    Whitman guilty, may be not. Whitman as brainiac, definitely not!

  183. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – I am normally a very sociable person so I had to deliberately refrain from my normal automatic behavior to at least not minimally greet you at the Whitman/Brown debate at Davis. Seeing your comments above I am A) glad that I didn’t speak to you, and B) certainly never will again except to tell you to go where you belong as you are ever more demonstrating yourself to be a total ass.

    Let’s get to the facts – Chelene marches up through the valley to the capital ( something you have never done and could not do ) and what do you do? You degrade and attack her at any possibility. You sneer at the size of the crowd; a crowd that YOU will never have. You call her supporters ” useful idiots ” when YOU have NO supporters. You claim that her campaign ( when you have NO campaign ) is useless, dead, whatever. There is NOTHING that Chelene does which you will not attack. Even when she marches through the valley and arrives at the capital right in front of your face you will say that it is a fake. You will attack anything and everything she has done or will ever do. Even if her name was on any list for any TV show or any other production you would put her down. And if the list is incomplete it makes no difference to you and is in fact preferable as you will then trumpet your claim that she is lying; which according to you she always is. Well Mr. Rodrigues I say that it is you who are the liar but far more importantly it is you who are the emotionally retarded person who is fixated permanently on their hate object. My prediction, based upon the evidence that you so willingly provide, is that you will permanently remain an emotionally retarded jealous attacker of Chelene. You will never grow up. Hence it is YOU, as demonstrated via your attacks, who not only has the ” credibility gap ” but are the ” POS.” Chelene has 1,000x your accomplishments. And she always will. Chelene is fighting in the war for humanity. You are nowhere near the battlefield and only get close in order to betray those who are fighting.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  184. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Don Grundmann // Oct 5, 2010:

    Mr. Rodrigues – I am normally a very sociable person so I had to deliberately refrain from my normal automatic behavior to ….. [Lake: to illegally and criminally pummel you or other dissenting souls] ………

    Let’s get to the facts [Lake: I, Nut Loose Donald J. Grundmann, do not belong in civil society and deserve to spend the rest of my quite unnatural life in confinement. May be for me, Leaven Worth is Heaven Worth —— or at least to my potential victims!]

  185. Davi Rodrigues

    Ah, the betrayal charge again,

    So very characteristic of Chelene. You’ve done nothing to refute the facts though. Her name is not amid the credits, and if they were mere omissions, it’s sure coincidental to have been omitted so many times. Omission on her credits; omission on her BK petition; omission on the Save Our State management;
    And please don’t tell me she walked to the capitol again. No matter how many times you repeat it, it won’t ever be true. She did not walk; she was pushed most of the way. I know you don’t want to admit it Don, but she’s a fraud and a con. Maybe it’ll come to you in the near future while you’re putting a fresh coat of nail polish on her toes as she sits and watches reruns of “Queen For A Day”.

  186. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – It does not matter to me if she walked 100 feet or 100 miles and the rest was via wheelchair. She did it. Case closed. She was also injured but still completed the task. Even if she simply was only walking the last miles to the capital ( when in fact she walked many miles more ) she did more than you in doing just that. A) You would never have tried it. B) No one would go with you if you did. C) If you were hurt no one would aid you as the supporters of Chelene are and were happy to do. D) It also would not matter to you if she walked 100 feet or 100 miles. If 100 feet you would shout from the rooftops that she was a ” fake.” If 100 miles you would claim she was a fake because she did not go 101. No, Mr. Rodrigues the fraud and con is YOU. You will backstab the conservative movement as a whole and the movement fighting illegal immigration as a subset simply to satisfy your unquenchable thirst for revenge. Why should I spend my time refuting a fool? There is no possible fact that will influence you. Even if she was listed in 10 other areas for working at any other tasks you will still attack her and put her down even if your own accomplishments are 1/1000 of hers. Your attacks on Chelene are those of a fraud and con; just another variation of the moles which are already attacking the movement.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  187. Davi Rodrigues

    I’m shouting she’s a fake from the rooftops because she’s a fake, a fraud and a poser, who uses good people within this movement to further her insatiable need for attention and adoration. She sure wasn’t willing to walk even a mile to pay back our member, was she? She wasn’t even willing to meet him in court last time, as that was too big an imposition on her majesty’s schedule. And here she requested the trial this time.

  188. Davi Rodrigues

    No Cody, I’m not supporting anyone for Governor. I don’t even care that you vote for Chelene, because she’s got absolutely no chance of winning. I do care if Chelene continues to misrepresent herself and others within the various groups that are seeking to return control of government to the citizens.

  189. Davi Rodrigues

    You know what Mr Grundmann,

    I usually don’t bother with you denigrating my efforts or what you think ar the lack of them, mainly because I’m not holding myself out as a candidate for office or most popular megalomaniac, but since you keep demanding, here’s a link to my latest “walk”.:

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?81485-Urban-Rifle-Hike

    Here’s the police incident report:

    http://publicdocumentdistributors.co…read.php?t=563

    You see Mr Grundmann, it doesn’t always have to revolve around a big media hype and one person’s ego. This was just one regular guy trying to exercise a citizen right. Granted it wasn’t 100 miles, but Chelene didn’t go that distance either. In addition, I did not go shamelessly whining on camera that it seemed I had no support. Should I have called for a press conference? Would Chelene do anything alone? Haven’t seen it really, if there’s nobody to cheer and stroke her fragile ego, she doesn’t go.

  190. _

    Republicans teaparty patriots are hammering on Nightingale. Its all over the net. @ big name reporters are calling her out on her 9-11 truther birther stuff, and her bankruptcy. Look on her facebook, they posted an article saying she should stop lying and to stop ssiphoning votes from Meg Whitman! her little (slipping between the cracks) is failing she has been outed I read 3 articles. More I am sure are to follow. They have called her a scammer and a fraud, and I am not making this up. go read for yourself. So see, its not just us trolls on this site that are WIDE AWAKE!

  191. Don Grundmann

    ” I do care if Chelene continues to misrepresent herself and others within the various groups that are seeking to return control of government to the citizens.”

    Response – You see Mr. Rodrigues I do care if clowns like you ” continue to misrepresent herself and others within the various groups that are seeking to return control of government to the citizens.” Since your personal quest for revenge against Chelene takes first, second, third, and onto one hundredth place over seeking to ” return control of government…” you are willing to spout any and all of your farts and hurt anyone and everyone that gets in the way of your evenge no matter what. That is why I will tell everyone to simply stay away from you while you have your never ending tantrum. You will produce nothing of substance and are simply an energy black hole in terms of doing anything useful. You can be all of the fool you want to be on your own time and in your own fantasy world. I will simply produce the factual corrections needed when you continually attempt to throw your mud and dirt on Chelene. She is doing quite well despite any and all of your crying spells. People will look at her work, then at your whining screeds, and make their decision accordingly. People join her campaign every day. They also walk away from you every day. They know who is working hard for their defense and future just as they know who is shoveling B.S. non-stop to attain a childish revenge based on jealousy.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  192. Don Grundmann

    ” _ ” – Mark Seidenberg – Will you EVER have the guts to simply write under your own name ALL OF THE TIME and not write under these endless fake names and non-names?? Prediction – No. You will forever be the gutless coward lying traitor that you are.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  193. Cody Quirk

    And Mark’s, as well and the Keyes faction’s intentions of helping the California GOP win this election by unsuccessfully trying to kick off AIP candidates off the ballot will forever be known.

  194. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Nightingale was part of the cabal to destroy my organization, along with her friends and associates Marvin Stewart, Deborah Courtney, Paul Sielski (whom I had arrested on a felony warrant and imprisoned for six months back in March of 2007), and members of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform operated by Barbara Coe of Huntington Beach.

    After 3 ½ years of prosecution against Stewart, Courtney and Sielski, a jury in Orange County Superior Court found them all guilty of internet fraud and piracy, U.S. Postal fraud, federal bank fraud and bank theft, and a number of other things.

    Stewart and Courtney were forced into bankruptcy because of the judgments I got against them. Sielski fled the area and is currently on the lam again.

    Nightingale has severe personality disorders and is about as dangerous as a crackpot can get. She routinely associates with some very hateful fascists and bigots and expects unwavering allegiance and homage from her minions. In short, she’s simply a “kook.”

    J gilchrist

    [Lake: I am not (no longer) a Jim Gilchrist fan, but the dude does name names ……….]

  195. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

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  196. Cody Quirk

    BTW Jim Gilchrist lost any credibility by his support of murderer Shawna Forde ,and also some alleged ties he has with the National Alliance (a neo-nazi group).
    Anything he says, I do not trust.

  197. Davi Rodrigues

    Gilchrist has alleged ties to National Alliance? Alleged? Chelene also has alleged ties to Shawna Forde. And by the way, Shawna Forde has not been proven a murder yet, unless you live in a different country than the rest of us where people are guilty until proven innocent

  198. Cody Quirk

    Gilchrist has alleged ties to National Alliance? Alleged? Chelene also has alleged ties to Shawna Forde.

    = Yeah; Chelene KICKED HER OUT of the Minuteman group, those are the only ties she has to Shawna!

    Want me to bring up Gilchrist’s NA links? It’s well-documented.

  199. Davi Rodrigues

    Yes Cody, if you are going to bring it up, you should be prepared to show the evidence.

    Chelene was not part of a minuteman group that I was aware of., so she couldn’t kick anyone out of them. But, and I’ve stated it here before, Chelenes good buddy Mike Williams, who runs chelene’s forum and provides much webservices to her had a close relationship to Shawna Forde, and Chelene was quite well in the know about it. Mike wouldn’t cut shawna loose, and Chelene wanted mikes free services, so she tolerated the relationship. I’m not going to say chelene supported Shawna at all, because only mike did that I was aware of, but chelene wouldn’t push mike away to to keep herself completely free of being linked to Shawna. This is where Chelena fails the propriety test in general. Not over Shawna per se, but when Chelene needs something, she will sacrifice a principle.

    And I have no specific love for Gilchrist. I don’t hate him, and I don’t love him. He did some things I don’t care for, and for that reason I keep a little distance, but Chelene used him as a stepping stone and made all sorts of dramatic charges and conjured up ten different kinds of innuendo just so she could steal a little of his limelight. She wasn’t able to make much of a proven case though, which is about par for the course for her. By the way, I ran into Chelena today at the state Capitol. she steers clear of me, which is probably good, but I did get to see some Libertarian and peace and freedom party people, and even interviewed on of them who is running for Secretary of State.

  200. Don Grundmann

    ” As Citizens For A Better Veterans Home has been saying for a year ”

    Response – Membership – One certified psychotic lunatic. Enough said.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  201. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Davi Rodrigues // Oct 6, 2010:

    And I have no specific love for Gilchrist. He did some things I don’t care for, and for that reason I keep a distance ………

    but Chelene used him as a stepping stone and made all sorts of dramatic charges and conjured up ten different kinds of innuendo just so she could steal a little of his limelight. She wasn’t able to make much of a proven case though, which is about par for the course for her …………..

    [Your words, my thots ……..]

    one of them who is running for Secretary of State. [ (Christina Tobin, another woman whom does not seem to get along with many folks? ) Like Gubernatorial, my (official, real life, California mail in ballot) Secretary of State slot is still empty.

    May be like Gubernatorial, I will check politics1.com and do a write in name!]

    [Any one else under whelmed on 2010?]

  202. Davi Rodrigues

    Oh c’mon now Cody Quirk,

    Surely you don’t expect me to take a writers comment on a blog who cited the SPLC as a reference, and then provided a link that doesn’t take you to a source as proof of your claim? (That’s rhetorical of course) Now I’ve linked everyone to hard evidence when I make a claim. I know you might not be up to my standards of investigation and fact checking, but at least try and not make yourself look like a complete inept here.
    What else you got?

  203. Don Grundmann

    ” when Chelene needs something, she will sacrifice a principle ”

    Response – Mr. Rodrigues – I notice that you don’t sacrifice the ” principle ” of attacking Chelene at any and all opportunities with the most ludicrous and rediculous attacks possible. I would be hilarious if it was not first nauseating when you, of all people, refer to abandoning principle. The fact is that the ” principle ” of revenge is your motivator and from all appearances will be so permanently as you continuously assail her character for an endless number of nebulous and imaginary deficiencies which you preach as gospel. At an old folks home while others will discuss their latest surgeries we can be assured that you will start all conversations with ” Did you know that Chelene Nightingale did fill-in-the-blank?” My prediction is that in the intervening years you will do the same thing that you do now – be allergic to mirrors since they would show you where your real problem is.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  204. Davi Rodrigues

    Mr Grundmann,

    Like Cody Quirk, I don’t see any real proof of your claims, and the rest of it is just blah, blah, blah, because I won’t drink Chelena’s Fool-ade like others have.
    It is unlikely I will make it to an old folks home though, as I expect to expire in some glorious manner while defending my way of life or maybe even yours. Yes, even Fool-ade drinkers are worthy of my defense when they are Americans.

  205. _

    Nightingale is delusional, after the radio interview she did saying 9-11 was an inside job. Sane people have backed way off. She is considered right of fringe….(if thats even possible) 3 weeks to go…then what, new scam to conjur up. BTW saw the great youtube on Nightingale, and her beliefs. Done very professionally. Derailamenesty.com. That explains to a T what nutingale is all about. Its actually very disturbing and scary. Exorcist used to be the scariest movie I have ever seen. But after viewing the youtube of chelene…lol That is now #1 horror clip. 🙂 Have a greaaat day.

  206. wolfefan

    Hi Don L –

    Re: #264, I’m not sure why you suggest the question mark in the info you cut and pasted means anything. The site you are quoting (www.joincalifornia.com) seems clear that they are responsible for the content of the profiles, not the candidates. It’s apparent that whoever wrote the profile doesn’t know how many children Ms. Nightingale has- do you have any direct, primary sources where Ms. Nightingale herself expresses confusion about how many children she has? If so, could you link to it? Not being snarky, not trying to prove a point – genuinely asking for direct info. Thanks in advance!

  207. _

    I think the fact that Nutingale is still money grubbing for her dead campaign deplorable. Poor people in central ca saying they are sending her their last $25.00. She should send all these poor supes their money back! While she pays her rent and eats out in restaurants. 2 weeks left, yet still eeking out that last drop of money from unsuspecting people. Their are some people (paying attention all right) I heard that the IRS and federal officials are watching and monitoring her and the rest of her cronies. btw GOP has said, she will never ever be part of their organization, and she will be drummed out of politics for good. If she ever showed her face again in public politics, for her working at getting Jerry Borwn elected.

  208. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    wolfefan // Oct 9, 2010:

    Hi Don Lake – Re: #264, I’m not sure why you suggest the question mark

    [Lake: The ‘Two – Question Mark’ was not a suggestion of mine. It was a direct quote from the site. The site did not know how many children she has had. I have not done any thing but quote her [one, two, or three] from different sources. How desperate you seem to want Nightmare Nightingale to be a good person. How desperate you are to sling mud at Chelene Ward Nightingale’s fact finders. ]

    [a] donlake@ymail.com

    [b] 619.420.0209

    [c] check out http://www.joincalifornia.com

    [d] check out your ethics

    [e] check out your LACK of ethics

    [f] contact Cody Quirk for lessons on acting like an eleven year old

  209. Don Grundmann

    ” check out your LACK of ethics ”

    Response – Lake – YOU of ALL people have the gall to talk about ” ethics????” YOU who continually lies day after day about Chelene???? YOU have NO ethics and you never have. You prove it day after day after day. Yet another of your outrageous idiotic nitwit moronic comments. Talking about ethics WHILE SHOWING THE EXACT OPPOSITE IN THE VERY SAME POST!!!

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  210. Don Grundmann

    ” _ ” – Another day and Mark Seidenberg cowardly writing yet again using his fake non-name. The so-called ” Vice-Chairman ” of the AIP who continually attacks the Governor candidate of the party but is too cowardly to use his own name. Standard procedure for a Republican mole/agent who also works for the ADL and the SPLC as a traitor to the nation to destroy the 3rd party conservative movement.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  211. _

    DG F off…you puny little gay bashing freak. You make me sick and does your nutjon nightingale go away and crawl under the rock you came out from. You are a mental case.

  212. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Don Grundmann // Oct 10, 2010: [per Don Lake]

    ” YOU have NO ethics and you never have …….”

    [Lake: Ten – Ten ‘Weiered’ (Coty Banks, Linguistic Expert, wordage) Buddy, no ethics, none, not any? ever, ever, even helping start runners world, even as an eagle scout, even as a Southern Baptist ‘Royal Ambassador ‘ official? Even as an ROTC scholarship cadet when students were literally spitting on me? Even as a military officer when students were spitting on me? None? Ever?]

    [I, Donald R. Lake, became aware of one Chelene Ward Nightingale in early 2009. In the summer of that year I attempted to connect with her and her group, Save Our State. I, nor any one with Citizens For A Better Veterans Home, founded in 1998 and centered on San Bernardino County and false patriot and ‘veterans advocate’ Jim King, had heard of her prior. She was not able to be located in the Inland Empire area. Responses to SOS disappeared into the ‘Nightmare Nightingale’ rabbit hole of information not promising money. A bull shit, hyped up, ‘Well Known Rising Star’ piece of bovine poo poo appeared in August 2009 IPR. Negative responses appeared ‘faster than immediately’! Ms Chelene Ward Nightingale was the invisible woman, in influence, in physical presence and in ongoing philosophy. On a number of occasions one, two, or three children were mentioned, some times as a direct quote. Ms ‘Family Values’ (our phrase) looked to be a run away Washington State house wife and mother, abandoning her innocent spouse and child. Her ‘film career’ seems to flirt with pornography. Her web site and organizational affiliation(s) centered on money, money, money. She is no longer with Save Our State, and apparently the parting was not ‘pretty’. Jim Gilchrist (no longer our favorite person), does not have one nice thing to say about her and her tribe. Out side of her close circle, no one remains but Barbara Cole and a spouse whom describes him self as a ‘Hustler’ and (separately) a ‘Huckster’. Losing a CORRUPTION trial related to her bankruptcy. Listing dead people as endorsers. Including Aaron Russo. I knew of Aaron Russo. I knew Aaron Russo. I knew Mister Russo died in 2007. Like Jim King, Don Grundmann, Cody Quirk, with Nightmare Nightingale, there does not seem to be much there ‘there’. In August and September 2007 all kinds of folks agreed, ‘she’s famous ——– but no one knows her’! And lots of folks also agree that it was a less than proud day per the bovine ecrecia initial listing, the instant posting of IPR.]

  213. Don Grundmann

    ” Responses to SOS disappeared into the ‘Nightmare Nightingale’ rabbit hole of information not promising money.”

    Response – Lake – There are so many reasons that you are a revolting sub-human but a big one is your continuous lying. The statement above, claiming that you or anyone else got no answer from SOS/Chelene unless you gave money, is an outright and damned lie. You have not the slightest possible proof of such a claim and yet you do exactly what you claim others do – make it up as you go along. That is just ONE lie out of endless others that you continuously put out. Another lie – ” Her web site and organizational affiliation(s) centered on money, money, money.” Another lie – ” Her ‘film career’ seems to flirt with pornography.” That is a another total lie and is just your attempt to justify the revolting and vile attacks upon Chelene which Mark Seidenberg wrote. Another lie – ” Losing a CORRUPTION trial related to her bankruptcy.” There was NO ” corruption trial.” Yet another outrageous damned lie. And yet you also continually attack her family with your outright damned lies regarding the number of her children. Did they teach you to lie in the Boy Scouts?” No. Did they teach you to lie in the ROTC? No. Do they teach you to lie as a military officer? No. You choose to lie. You choose to continuously lie. You choose to spread the most revolting and vile lies on and on and on. That is what makes you such a sub-human. That is what makes you a disgrace to humanity. A sick and revolting slug from below the bottom of the barrel.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  214. Frank Cedillo

    Mexican Americans are against Nightingale for governor. She is a mexican hater and a stupid woman. We will be speaking out against her governor run, and her ties to a child killer, a killer of an undocumented man and his daughter.

    Mexican American’s against hate
    Noagainsthate.org

  215. Cody Quirk

    We will be speaking out against her governor run, and her ties to a child killer, a killer of an undocumented man and his daughter.

    = Yeah, about how she drove Shawna Forde out of the Minuteman group because she knew Shawna was a whackjob.

  216. Don Grundmann

    ” Frank Cedillo ” – Yet another of the endless fake names that Mark Seidenberg; fake ” Vice-Chairman ” of the corruption faction of the AIP, the Robinson criminal enterprise, and Republican Party/ADL/ SPLC agent; uses to attack the Governor candidate of the party. Corruption-to-the-bone-and-beyond, treason, betrayal – all wrapped up in Mark Seidenberg; enemy of humanity.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  217. wolfefan

    Hi Don L –

    What are you talking about? I didn’t say you added the question mark or “suggested” the question mark. In fact, I specifically said you had cut and pasted it from the site. I was asking about the conclusions that you thought the question mark suggested. From your comments, you appear to confirm what I thought and I appreciate that.

    I haven’t challenged your assertion that you have personally heard Ms. Nightingale claim different numbers of children at different times. I can’t, since I wasn’t there. I’m simply asking if you have links to independent sources besides yourself. If you do, I’d like to read them and learn from them. If you don’t that’s fine too. If you have provided these links before and I missed them I apologize – could you post them again?

    I don’t have any vested interest in protecting or defending anyone. I don’t live in CA and am not a member of the AIP. I met John Schmitz once when he worked at the memorabilia store in Union Station here in DC, but that’s been the limit of my personal exposure to AIP folks. I’m just asking.

    Thanks again and best wishes!

  218. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    wolfefan // Oct 12, 2010:

    ” I don’t live in CA and am not a member of the AIP.”

    And just may be the same can be said about California Constitution Party advocate and ‘we are selling our stuff and moving far away’ troubled soul Chelene Ward Nightingale.

    I can ‘prove’ that Nightmare Nightingale is a C P advocate. I can not prove any thing about her physical address. And appearently that is the way her crew wants it.

    Plz google ‘Chelene Ward Nightingale’ or ‘Chelene Ward’ or Chelene Nightingale’ or ‘Chelene Hope’ and YOU will find different numbers and different descriptions. ‘Young boy’ verses ‘teen aged girl’.

    Ditto her social network. Ditto her entertainment career. Ditto her once staunch allies. Ditto her ‘Save Our State’ career. Ditto her ………..

    My opinion, like Jim King (forever), the present day Don Grundmann, the Nevada Kid (Cody Quirk), Bill (fake Veterans Advocate) Lussenheide, there is no there ‘there’!

  219. Don Grundmann

    wolfefan – The english translation of Lakes latest stupid comment is that he won’t produce anything to back up his claim regarding his attack on Chelene via her family but will have you send your time ” looking it up.” If it existed he could simply show where but since it doesn’t he can’t. He makes the excuse to justify his continued lying. He cannot admit the real truth that he is a perpetual and pathological liar as instead he will make sick excuses like those above. The only ” there ” that Lake has is his lying. It is the part of his character that he can rely on day in and day out. So he will attack everyone else in his screed; Chelene, Bill Lussenheide, Jim King, Cody; all of whom have not only vastly more accomplishments ( even and especially in Lakes ” claimed ” area of protecting Veterans ) than he but far more importantly are people of character, honor, and integrity – the total reverse of himself.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  220. commie pigs

    AIP and all the candidates are commie pigs. traitors to the nation. They are unqualified unstable dangerous people. read about the fliers being sent out in Riverside, ca about your boy Lussenheide for congress calling him “dangerous and extreme” thats right We know what you are all about. Gay bashers racists and commies. The Ted Kazinsky’s of politics. FBI has files on all of you. Quacks and Paranoid mental cases. The people laugh at you, freaks and Xenophobes. Hate mongers and child molestors. Yes, we know about one of you and your molestation of your own children. (the truth will be coming out on you)

  221. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    [a] Don Lake’s FBI file is merely his attempts to forward information on Randall J. Cunningham and Wade Sanders. Both are currently felony inmates.

    [b] Nothing done by Grundmann, Quirk, Jim King, Nightingale, Lussenheide …….

    [c] Lake was not the leader of the pack or even a ‘prime mover’ on these expose’ ! But at least he was in the fight.

    [d] Never convicted of being a ‘hate monger’.

    [e] Never even accused of being ‘chester the molester’ by a semi sane person. Grundmann and Quirk do not count ——- in reasonable, rationale, polite society.

    [f] Grundmann, Jim King, Nightingale, (if she stays in California) and Lussenheide are welcomed to formally and permanently resign from the Califronia American Independent Party and stay away (via the California Constitution Party) for a long, long time.

    [g] ‘Hey, is this a private fight ——- or a public brawl?’

    [h] Not part of the spitting contest? Then buzz off. Obviously there will be more court action and ‘court of public opinion’ attempts. Paper trails (and evidence of cyber bullying) are being laid down on a regular basis. The ‘principals’ have pre selected their ‘seconds’! Buzz off!

    [i] Like TPW, IPR has not been *fair and balanced*! Buzz off! paulie, Quirk, RedPhillips, and Trent Hill have, TWO YEARS AFTER BEING AFFIRMED as the NON national Constitution Party California American Independent Party just recently posted such articles as any thing but @&%#$% Constitution Party! Two Years! (Damn it!)

    [j] Ya can not do any thing to or with Debra Bowen / the grossly imperfect California Secretary of State. On January First there might be a new elections official. Let us alone ———– find other issues to piss and moan about!

  222. Don Grundmann

    ” commie pigs ” – Yet another fake name comment by Mark Seidenberg. A) Mark, if flyers were sent out attacking Bill then you sent them out. B) Molestation of own children? Evidence? None. Yet another absolute and total lie by you. In fact the ADL and the SPLC, your masters/controllers, are the biggest pushers of homosexuality into the schools. They are the promoters of sexual activity by children beginning at the age of 4. So YOU, as their agent, are responsible for the promotion of molestation. C) So it is YOU who promote the sexualization of children while, as usual, putting out endless outright lies about Chelene and everyone else. To be expected from an enemy of humanity like you.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  223. Don Grundmann

    Another Don Lake classic – from A) through J) – what is this psychotic talking about??? Exhibit A) for blithering idiot.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  224. don Lake rocks

    Don Lake 2 weeks to go buddy. lol Day after election…meet you here, and we will have a laugh like hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and maybe some I told you so I told you so and then some….eat it eat it eat it grundman….maybe a few ^5 and dance a little jig ““`~~~~ talk to you then old man.

  225. Don Grundmann

    Cody – No, ” commie pigs ” is Mark Seidenberg. He changes his grammar and text relevant to whatever fake name or non-name he is using. Lake is too stupid to produce the multiple posts under 100+ fake names that Mark does.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  226. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    If I am misappropriating this thread as a list serv ………

    I have been asked, challenged, and or queried on my voting choices for November, 2010. Obviously not California Constitution Party Nightmare Nightingale. Brown is in the back pocket of law enforcement, or sure acts like it.

    Whitman is a prostitute, altho I do not know her husband’s take on her street walking activities. [A micro mini skirt and fish net stockings —— I do not know if I am titillated or not. I thing not!]

    Greens, Libs and Peace and Freedom were asked to forward information. They did not bother. My little group investigated such and was not turned on by any one.

    Independent write in Rakash Kumar Christian phoned and chatted. Great attitude. Momby Bombay accent thicker than South Indian coffee.

    Hope Two Mark and an Ed contact him after November Second. Hope other legitimate California American Independent Partiers vote for Rakash.

    Yes Doctor Don Grundmann, Citizens For A Better Veterans Home is no longer an ad hoc committee of the Reform Party of California. We no longer have regular teleconferences. We no longer have a mailing list edging toward 100.

    But we continue to make fake Veterans advocate ‘Independent’ Knee Jerk Democratic House Member Bob ‘Jerkie Dem Partisan’ Filner nervous. If Don Lake is a one man band —— why did Tish hand deliver a half dozen ballot earlier this week?

    Plz join the approximately fifty Christmas cards per 2009.

  227. paulie

    paulie, Quirk, RedPhillips, and Trent Hill have, TWO YEARS AFTER BEING AFFIRMED as the NON national Constitution Party California American Independent Party just recently posted such articles as any thing but @&%#$% Constitution Party! Two Years! (Damn it!)

    False.

  228. Mark Seidenberg

    wolfefan,

    In your post #294, you stated you met John Schmitz once. At the time you met him at Union
    Station he was a long time former member of
    AIP. Schmitz was back in the Republican Party
    by about 1973. That was very upsetting to WM
    Schearer.

    In 1972, both John Schmitz and I were on the
    John Ashbrook delegation from California for
    the Republican Party. It was Elliott Graham
    that got John Schmitz back on the Republican
    Party State Central Committee in 1974.

    In August, 1971, John Schmitz first talked about
    running for President of the United States with me. YAF was planning to back some one other
    than Richard Nixon. John Schmitz wanted it to
    be him. By the end of 1971, he withdrew in favor
    of Congressman John Ashbrook. Ashbrook asked John Schmitz to be the head of California
    Delegation. John Ashbrook (was an old friend
    from 1962, I met him when I was in TAR’s, even
    though in 1964 I left TAR’s and joined TAM’s
    of UROC and Young Americans for Freedom (YAF on March 17, 1964). The part of Schmitz
    backing off for Ashbrook can be confirmed
    by Elliott Stone Graham.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party.

  229. Timothy Yung

    Matk Seidenberg who are going to vote for in the 2010 governor’s race. You should consider Dale Ogden for governor.

  230. Don Grundmann

    Timothy – Mark is an agent of the Republican party. He will vote, despite any denials, for Meg Whitman, the candidate who he is working for.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  231. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    # 310 Timothy Yung // Oct 21, 2010:
    “……….. You should consider Dale Ogden for governor.”

    [Lake: are you, Timothy Yung, part of Ogden’s campaign effort? No response from any one in Dale’s office and to folks whom vote every election!]

    [Lake: wanna look at Don Lake’s four foot by six foot hand made anti Whitman sign at Broadway and Palomar in Chula Vista ……….]

  232. DON LAKE NEED TO READ THIS

    and nightingale is an agent with the democrats because a vote for nightingale is a vote for jerry brown. Its all over the net now! the word is out.

  233. paulie

    and nightingale is an agent with the democrats because a vote for nightingale is a vote for jerry brown.

    All the Nightingale drama aside, this is a very stupid line of argument that is not factually correct and completely counter to the whole point of this website, and it’s not very bright of you to employ such duopolist arguments here.

    If you were smarter, you’d save that line for other places where people are more likely to fall for it.

  234. looking for Don Lake

    its a matter of math Paul. Splitting the republican vote just helps brown! btw I don’t think she will split much she might get 2% is that. there are 16 million registered voters.

  235. paulie

    General principles only – I don’t care about Nightingale:

    Splitting the republican vote just helps brown!

    It’s not the “Republican vote.” The Republicans have to earn it. If they don’t earn it, they deserve to lose it to someone who does earn it. If they earn it back in time, they may win. If they don’t, they might learn their lesson and work harder to earn it next time. If they don’t learn their lesson, it needs to be repeated.

    I don’t think she will split much she might get 2%

    That could be a difference maker in a close race. Even if it just puts a scare into a duopolist party (or if possible both of them) it accomplishes something worthwhile.

    Here are a couple of videos that illustrate this:

    BTW, not that I care, but why are you looking for Lake? He’s not exactly hard to find, lol.

  236. looking for Don Lake

    it accomplishes the democrats to win. Its divisive selfish and she will be remembered as a fraud that likes to create chaos. But, thats all she really wants like her life full of drama, chaos and destruction. She is a sick person. mentally unstable. Maybe she should start a wack church that burns korans, cause that is her mentality and the that of the kooks that follow her. She does not use the AIp label because they don’t want her. This is the party Of nightingale, $$$ motivates her. Old trick, still works. criminal

  237. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    ‘looking for don lake’ as an informal, grass roots, ubber independent verification of

    [a] his original August 2009 suspicions of Nightmare Nightingale

    [b] snub against paulie, et al and *censorship*

    [c] snub against paulie, et al and lack of *fair and balanced*

    [d] ‘not that I care’ ——— well you obviously do!

    [e] a full frontal assault is not always the most successful

  238. paulie

    Lake,

    What, no chiding your pal/admirer for playing into the duopoly with the stupid “spoiler” argument? Tsk tsk.

    [b] snub against paulie, et al and *censorship*

    [c] snub against paulie, et al and lack of *fair and balanced*

    Bullshit, and bullshit, to both charges.

    [d] ‘not that I care’ ——— well you obviously do!

    Not really. A moment of idle curiosity/amusement at best.

    [e] a full frontal assault is not always the most successful

    Not sure who you are addressing, but that is certainly applicable to the tactics we see “both” combatant sides use in this and other Nightingale threads.

    You all may want to try being civil to each other for a change. Again, not that I care.

  239. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    LibGrrl // Oct 22, 2010:

    i LIKE Cody Quirk , he reaches across Party lines and has been honest in all my dealings with him …”

    [Lake: IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, physically, writing implement in hand, write down his statement(s) and also note other, mostly independent, admonishments to be more civil, more honest. Also Google ‘cyber bullies’ and ‘inter net harassment’ and see if the lists remind you of any one!]

  240. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    paulie // Oct 22, 2010:

    “DonLake@ymail.com,

    What, no chiding your pal/admirer for playing into the duopoly with the stupid “spoiler” argument? Tsk tsk. ”

    [Lake: Huh? You are playing your game, not mine!]

    [Lake: censorship and gross unfairness: Alexander the Grape, Napoleon Blown Apart, Herr Adolph, Joey Stalin, Mussolini, Tojo, Mao and the ongoing action of the TPW / IPR gang(s) to treat Lake soooooooooo differentially that Quirk!]

    [Lake: I under stand things. I know on active duty that the interests of Married Enlisted and Married Officers and Unmarried Enlisted and Unmarried Officers are more in concert that just rank cohorts. paulie, LibGrrl, and Quirk are all single white singles with connections to Neavada. Ya think Quirk would be less of a cyber punk if I were a physically attractive white grrl north and east of California?]

  241. paulie

    [Lake: Huh? You are playing your game, not mine!]

    Why, you’re usually quick to condemn anyone who makes the ‘spoiler’ BS argument as your earnest admirer does above @ 313, 316 and 318.

    ongoing action of the TPW / IPR gang(s) to treat Lake soooooooooo differentially that Quirk!

    Not at all. Same rules for both of you. If Quirk starts spreads AIP/Nightingale drama in unrelated threads, it will be treated as spam. Same rule for you. And you can both call each other names and repeat yourselves to your heart’s content in threads like this.

    paulie, LibGrrl, and Quirk are all single white singles with connections to Neavada.

    Well, whether I’m white depends on who you ask. Black racists and the US Census Bureau say I am; white racists say I’m not.

    Actually, whether I am technically single depends on who you ask as well, as I never legally divorced my first wife (but, we married underage with fake IDs, so you can say we never really legally married either, although we meant it at the time).

    And as for “connections to Neavada” (sic) – what connections would those be?

  242. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    And as for “connections to Nevada” (sic) – what connections would those be?

    ———- prepping for physical access, as in ‘chatting her up ………’

    Cody says the most inappropriate things and has to be admonished by non commentators as you guys are NOT doing YOUR job(s) —— and I do appreciate that it is not a paying gig.

    Cody can not complain about some one’s (supposed) misspellings and or poor grand ma with out using misspellings and poor grammar. But no complaints for the Quirk protection squad.

    Lake get as hob nail at his neck for mere CAPITALIZATION or 21st Century punctuation or calling attention to paulie’s one name weirdness.

    Don Lake responds to a thread with previous AIP and Nightingale references, and gets dinged.

    censorship, censorship, censorship

    Some thing is not necessary bovine ecrecia just because paulie one name says it is!

  243. paulie

    Cody says the most inappropriate things and has to be admonished by non commentators as you guys are NOT doing YOUR job(s) —— and I do appreciate that it is not a paying gig.

    I’m doing my “job” just fine. If you disagree, you can have your money back. Every penny. Hell, I’ll double it. And Cody has been admonished – he was removed as an IPR writer, which IMO was excessive. More recently, both Red and I have said we think his repeated invocations of the “toilet paper” incident are mean spirited and immature.

    Lake get as hob nail at his neck for mere CAPITALIZATION or 21st Century punctuation or calling attention to paulie’s one name weirdness.

    Nothing weird about my name. I set my own privacy threshold levels, thanks.

    Don Lake responds to a thread with previous AIP and Nightingale references, and gets dinged.

    I have asked you guys (not just you) to confine the Nightingale/AIP melodrama to threads such as this one because of its over the top and excessive nature. That is not censorship, it’s very minimal courtesy to all our other readers who don’t care about Nightingale or the AIP.

  244. paulie

    My response is that is just one of many examples of why I have asked y’all to keep Nightingale/AIP discussions confined to Nightingale/AIP threads.

    My further response, “You all may want to try being civil to each other for a change”.

    What’s your response to your buddy the duopolist’s contention that non-duopolists are “spoilers” who “steal the vote” from duopolists, as seen at 313, 316 and 318? Or does your opposition to the duopoly take a back seat to your opposition to a certain non-duopoly candidate in your state?

  245. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    # ‘….. just look at the activists ‘ [Lake] // Sep 20, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Ethics is an issue! [Lake: IT ISN’T?]
    #

    3 Cody Quirk // Sep 20, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Don’t count Don Lake to heed your advice, Red.
    # [Lake: pick, pick, pick, inappropriately with immunity!]

    4 RedPhillips // Sep 20, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Don, look back at some of the threads. Ethics is a legit issue, but some allegations (which I won’t even dignify by repeating) have been WAY OVER THE LINE.
    #[Lake: and not one admonishment of Quirk]

    5 RedPhillips // Sep 20, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Oh good grief! Go away KoS!
    #

    6 Cody Quirk // Sep 20, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Somebody needs to ban this guy

    [Lake: and not one admonishment of Quirk]

  246. paulie

    “KoS” refers to a troll who made allegations that Ms. Nightingale did bestiality porn without any verification.

    Those posts were rightfully removed.

    Red Phillips @ 4 is correct.

  247. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    Cody Quirk // Sep 23, 2010:
    “Don Lake, how about you man up and stop posting under different names like the coward that you are?”

    [Lake: pick, pick, pick, and not a word is true. I admire Grundmann and Quirk for posting under their [pre trial] real names. But their characters are there in cyber cement, for ever!]

    ———- responses by paulie, Trent Hill, Red Phillips, Cody Quirk?

  248. paulie

    My response, which I have posted previously several times, was that I have no evidence that either you or Mr. Seidenberg is making fake posts under numerous screen names and that I do not believe that you are.

    What’s your response to your buddy the duopolist’s contention that non-duopolists are “spoilers” who “steal the vote” from duopolists, as seen at 313, 316 and 318? Or does your opposition to the duopoly take a back seat to your opposition to a certain non-duopoly candidate in your state?

  249. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    paulie // Oct 22, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Cody says the most inappropriate things and has to be admonished by non commentators

    Cody has been admonished – he was removed as an IPR writer, which IMO was excessive.

    More recently, both Red and I have said we think his repeated invocations of the “toilet paper” incident are mean spirited and immature.

    ————– WHOA, GOTCHA, FUCKING LIAR.

    paulie repeatedly says the the Quirkie Boy, whom lives in the state containing the Las Vegas Review Journal / Right Haven, was a voluntary drop out. NOW WE LEARN THE TRUTH.

    Protect Cody at any cost. Soft power, such as not speaking up at undue influence. Reformers become Libertarians. Third Party Watch becomes LIBERTARIAN Party Watch*. Bible beating goes unchallenged and the site gets an undeserved reputation as a secular spiritual blog instead nonsecular political entity.

    * not Don Lake’s words (well I sure have repeated them enuf). Go to the home page of Green Party Watch and their ‘about us’ and their ‘resone detriet’ (ray zone det tray / reason for existence).

  250. paulie

    paulie repeatedly says the the Quirkie Boy, whom lives in the state containing the Las Vegas Review Journal / Right Haven, was a voluntary drop out. NOW WE LEARN THE TRUTH.

    Incorrect. That is what Trent initially told us, but I corrected that publicly quite some time ago, and more than a few times. Now you owe me an apology for calling me a liar.

    Oh, and, so we don’t forget…

    What’s your response to your buddy the duopolist’s contention that non-duopolists are “spoilers” who “steal the vote” from duopolists, as seen at 313, 316 and 318? Or does your opposition to the duopoly take a back seat to your opposition to a certain non-duopoly candidate in your state?

  251. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    non establishment types as spoilers.

    as an Anderson (1980) Perot, Perot, Nader, Nader, Nader, voter whom (and so far about a dozen ‘en toto’) did a WRITE IN votes for California 2012 Governor, I go out of my way to vote non Dem and non GOP.

    Yes, I hate the the stink of the Terrible Two Some. I occasionally, rarely, support a loose cannon Dem or GOP. When they are moaning and groaning about the status quo. My *eyes wide open* to the tea baggers is long term.

    I occasionally, rarely, sniff the air and have personal or verifiable knowledge that non Dems and non GOP do not deserve my support, much less vote. I (and Tom Knapp) was on Nightingale’s case as early as August 2009. No Christina Tobin (in spite of my adoration of Richard Winger ……..), again, no ballot access candidate for Governor.

    No ctweber. No Ed Treslier. No Richard Rider. Hey it is MY vote. As for ‘my buddy’ …………

    ‘spoilers’ not from me, ever! Even in the 1970s!

    ‘my buddy’ that is his affair!

    If nothing else, a non Dem and non GOP vote is a one finger salute to the bad guys.

  252. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    I have never seen any thing, any thing on IPR per the truth until just now. ——– I knew the truth from other sources, ——– like I found out ’bout Nightingale and the deep south CP dissatisfaction and the Montana CP disaffiliation!

    Plz direct me to your corrections and I will crawl thru broken glass to get you an apology.

    Again, I knew the truth and it did not come from paulie, Cody Quirk, Red Phillips, Trent Hill!

    Is Don Lake all that smart? Frank MacKay’s Deform Party of California bribe (John Bambey), Nightingale, federal felon Cunningham, felony inmate Wade Sanders ……… Again, ‘Cody Quirk voluntary leaving’ when I KNEW differently.

    Point me to your corrections, please.

  253. paulie

    I have never seen any thing, any thing on IPR per the truth until just now.

    If so, I don’t know how you missed it, as we have been over it several times. I’m pretty sure you responded a few times, but not completely sure.

    Plz direct me to your corrections and I will crawl thru broken glass to get you an apology.

    I have better uses for my time, but I’ll get you a few references in a little while.

    Point me to your corrections, please.

    I will. Not this second, though.

  254. Mark Seidenberg

    News! Young Americans for Freedom will
    not back Chelene Nighntingale for Governor.

  255. '..... just look at the activists ' [Lake]

    [a] have never seen Lib comments on Social Security modifications in the 1990s.

    [b] have non IPR and non Two Marks and an Ed information that Cody Quirk was involuntarily cut loose after Right Haven. No word per p or IPR. Not one.

    [c] Kept on hinting that I knew better —– like the Nightingale stuff and the CP dissatisfaction of dixie states. Again, no notification of Quirk, other than my informal, non IPR and Two Marks and an Ed, sources.

  256. THIS IS A RECANTATION? [Lake]

    paulie // Sep 4, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Although I don’t think Cody did anything for which he
    ***************
    should
    *****************
    have been removed or
    ************
    had unrelated articles taken down,
    ***********
    I’m glad it led to us getting Red Phillips on board, he’s been doing a great job.

    [Lake: THIS A RECANTATION? This is chat chat! Here’s a recantation, ‘In spite of previous notification that Cody Quirk has left his position as commentator/ moderator on a voluntary basis, it has come to our attention that the leaving was involuntary.’]

    [Lake: ASKED AND UNANSWER!]

    [Lake: Say what you mean and mean what you say, you big faker!]

  257. paulie

    I did say what I mean and meant what I said.

    It was comments on a blog, not some formal notification of anything. Trent originally told us that Cody resigned voluntarily. I learned otherwise when I saw a comment of his on another blog and a link to his own blog.

    I’ve commented on it elsewhere more than a few times, it just didn’t come up with my search terms, and I’m not going to sit here and re-read every comment at IPR for the last couple of months.

    The one submitted above clearly says he was removed.

  258. THIS IS A RECANTATION? [Lake]

    paulie // Oct 26, 2010:

    a – then you were not paying close enough attention …….

    In the 1990s I knew that the GOP knew what the GOP was saying. I personally contacted Libs all over the place. THEY WERE CLUE LESS! All of my political contacts, 90% plus, were alternative organization / non Dems and non GOP. No one but paulie was aware. paulie, as a majority of one! I was paying attention well enough to contact Libertarians and other third parties all over the place. Again, no one was aware of a Lib response. Again, no one! Richard Rider, Edward Tessieler (sp), Kenneth Bourke, ctweber, marian clarke, Chuck Favor, Phil Sawyer. In the 21st Century Lib Rewrites mentioned that the GOP did not go far enough, but again, typical Lib steer manure.

  259. paulie

    No one but paulie was aware.

    Incorrect. The LP was quite clear on SS in the 1990s, just as in the 1980s and 1970s and ever since.

  260. Cody Quirk

    Trent originally told us that Cody resigned voluntarily.

    = I didn’t! I was told I had to go because of that fascist group suing everybody and IPR wanted to be legally free.

  261. THIS IS A RECANTATION? [Lake]

    paulie // Oct 26, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Incorrect. The LP was quite clear on SS in the 1990s, just as in the 1980s and 1970s and ever since.

    No one but paulie was aware. Lake was there and did research. paulie was obviously not conscious and did, like LP * did nothing!

    * the one and only 21st Century American Peace Party *sarcasm*

  262. paulie

    No one but paulie was aware.

    Wrong again. I was there, we had press releases, interviews, articles, brochures, anything and everything within our reach. Lots of people were aware of it.

  263. THIS IS A RECANTATION? [Lake]

    Put Southern California on your distribution list:

    Richard ‘Mister San Diego County Libertarian’ Rider [aka: Six Foot Two Inch Sand Paper]

    Edward Tessieler

    Robert Favor (Orange County)

    ——– clue less all!

  264. shawna forde

    I have written to Nightingale numerous times, she refuses to answer me. I belonged to her SOS group, and need some money now that I am in prison please chelene, send me some money.

  265. paulie

    Hmm, “shawna forde” has same IP address as over 1,000 other comments at IPR. Also, the same email address as a certain anti-Nightingale frequent poster. Interesting.

    Also, I’ve never had internet access in any jail I’ve ever been in. Granted, I’ve never been in the pen, do they have internet access these days?

    I’m guessing you are not Shawna Forde.

    Since she is a real person, please don’t impersonate her.

  266. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie’s question at 345. Some times. They are
    backing Tancrido in Colorado (he was one of there own). The issue they what no part of the
    Air-head who asseverated that illegal aliens only
    cost the people of California 12 million dollar a year.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman
    American Independent Party

  267. Don Grundmann

    ” Mark Seidenberg // Oct 26, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    News! Young Americans for Freedom will
    not back Chelene Nighntingale for Governor.”

    Response – Here we have Mark Seidenberg, the self-proclaimed ” Vice-Chairman ” of the corruption faction of the AIP that achieved its position via deliberately filing fake documents with the Secretary of State office, proudly attacking the Governor candidate of the party. Question – How many other officers of any other party in any other state would attack their own Governor candidate? How many would go ahead of that candidates tour through the state to spread lies about the candidate to the media and organizations like Young Americans For Freedom?? How many would get on the Internet and, writing under literally dozens of fake names, attack the candidate in all possible ways including claiming that they had tapes of the candidate having sex with dogs and pigs??? What kind of person would do such actions??? What kinds of persons, like Don Lake, would support such a person doing such actions??? Truly such a person/” Vice-Chairman ” is not simply a very sick person but far more importantly is an open traitor to the movement he claims to represent.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  268. Don Grundmann

    ” THIS IS A RECANTATION? [Lake] ”

    Response – Lake – So you want paulie or others to ” recant ” and say you were previously correct on some point??? Well why don’t you start by apologizing for your lying about Chelene in so many comments over countless days. Why don’t you apologize for your lies against her and her family????

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  269. paulie

    Recant? LOL.

    I originally went with what Trent told us, having no info to contradict it until I saw Cody comment on it elsewhere some time later.

    Why would this be so important, anyway?

  270. THIS IS A RECANTATION? [Lake]

    Ethics, the truth, Cody’s damn the facts and take no prisoners attitude and actions. To not recant, which you did not, is to informally put a halo on Quirk’s behavior.

    Kinda like have the informal hints of Bible Beaters and Libertarians go unchallenged. The rational reader has not much choice than to consider that this is a religious site and or a Libertarian blog.

    The devil is in the details.

  271. paulie

    is to informally put a halo on Quirk’s behavior.

    Not at all. The problem wasn’t Cody’s behavior. It was the Righthaven shakedown. I have made no secret that I disagreed with the decision to remove him and his articles.

    Righthaven didn’t care about that anyway, they just wanted money.

    The rational reader has not much choice than to consider that this is a religious site and or a Libertarian blog.

    It’s about as much a religious site as it is a sports blog.

    I post stories about a wide variety of parties and viewpoints, and have invited and encouraged many other people to do the same. Some have responded, some have not.

    It is what it is. If you’re not happy, you can have your money back.

  272. Don Grundmann

    ” Ethics, the truth, Cody’s { Lakes } damn the facts ”

    ” To not recant, which you did not, is to informally put a halo on Quirk’s { Lakes }behavior.”

    Response – Lake – You write of truth and ethics. What about your lack of truth and ethics in continually lying about Chelene? I haven’t seen your apology to her for lying about her. Are you trying to put a halo on your lying by not apologizing?? Your lies are still lies. What about YOUR behavior??? What about YOUR continually damning the facts??? What about YOUR ” devil ” as illustrated by your endless lying????

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  273. THIS IS A RECANTATION? [Lake]

    The rational reader has not much choice than to consider that this is a religious site and or a Libertarian blog.

    It’s about as much a religious site as it is a sports blog.

    [a] how about those Padres?

    [b] Cody acts greatly inappropriately and p looks the other way, time after time!

  274. Don Grundmann

    ” Cody acts greatly inappropriately ”

    Response – Lake – You continue to avoid the issue. It is YOU who ” acts greatly inappropriately ” with your continuous lying about Chelene. Where is YOUR apology for YOUR actions?? You complain that actions by Cody are overlooked ” time after time.” Well you have lied about Chelene time after time. You have matched any possible actions by Cody and exceeded them by 100 times. Where is YOUR apology????

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  275. paulie

    Cody acts greatly inappropriately and p looks the other way, time after time!

    Incorrect again. See citation above for one of several examples where I said he went over the top, and others in this very thread. I don’t feel like constantly repeating myself.

  276. Mark Seidenberg

    LibertarianGirl on post 375.

    Is the IAP and LP of Nevada becoming a fusion
    organization in Northern Nevada? Please explain. I was told that my old friend Alice Lilly
    is in the Nevada LP? Do yuou know her and how to contact her?

    Here in California the new registration totals are
    in. The LP registration is up to 91,111. The required registration for this year is 88,991 LP
    registered. The real question is what the turnout
    is on November 2, 2010. We need to look at the
    total number voting to see if it goes above 9,111,100 to see if the LP will remain on the ballet in 2012.

    The AIP registration is now at 413,032. Don Grundmann’s Constitution Party registration is
    going up. It now stands at 163 registered voters.
    That is up from 72 the last time the SOS took a
    total. Lets hope that Dr. Grundmann and his mom Ida Grundmann will now go away and leave
    AIP alone.

    News from the case of KING v. ROBINSON, the
    next court hearing will be at 9:00 a.m. on March
    11, 2011 in the Fairfield Court House.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  277. paulie

    I was told that my old friend Alice Lilly
    is in the Nevada LP? Do yuou know her and how to contact her?

    I’ve corresponded with her by email. I can send her your e-mail address, if you left a correct address with your comment, and tell her you want to talk to her.

  278. paulie

    The real question is what the turnout
    is on November 2, 2010. We need to look at the
    total number voting to see if it goes above 9,111,100 to see if the LP will remain on the ballet in 2012.

    If any of the LP’s statewide nominees this year get above 2% the LP will remain on the ballot for 2012.

  279. Mark Seidenberg

    Prop. 14 changed that 2% rule. Talk to Richard
    Winger. It will be down to registration and not the vote.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

    my e-mail for Alice Lilly to contact me is

    hakohen3@yahoo.com

    Thank you Paulie for forwarding the e-mail to
    Alice Lilly.

  280. paulie

    That doesn’t come into play yet, it does not take effect until after the LP is no longer on the ballot in the general election (if it does not get tossed by the courts first, which we still hope will happen). Since we are still on the ballot in 2010 we still get retention for 2012. Per conversation with Richard Winger.

  281. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie

    Let’s say the courts do not toss Prop 14. The figure is based on how many people vote on
    November 2, 2010. With top-two there will be
    no “direct primary” as it was in 2010. The LP
    registration is still only 91,111.

    Since a large part of the AIP registration are formerly registered LP the events 135 days
    before the primary in 2012 might take a different course. Because of the labeling for the
    open primary AIP with it corrent registration of
    413,032 electors might be in a better shape for
    “libertarians” (small l) that are pro-life to run than as LP “Libertarians” (Large L) with only a registration of 91,111 electors.

    Remember, a good percentage of the active members of the AIP were former members of
    the LP that were pro-life.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with
    the America’s Independent Party since June,
    2008.

    P.S. AIP registration has improved since it left
    the Constitution Party in June, 2008. The hard
    core loyalist to the CP have formed there own
    party call the Constitution Party of California,
    headed by Don Grundmann with his mother Ina
    Grundman. It has a registration of 163 electors.

  282. paulie

    Let’s say the courts do not toss Prop 14. The figure is based on how many people vote on
    November 2, 2010. With top-two there will be
    no “direct primary” as it was in 2010. The LP
    registration is still only 91,111.

    However, there are still Libertarians under the Libertarian label in 2010, and if any of them get 2% in a statewide race that will give the LP ballot access for 2012.

    Where prop 14 (88) comes in is that there would be no Libertarians listed as such on the November election 2012, which means that the 2% in a statewide race avenue to ballot access will be closed for elections that take place after 2012. At this point, the LP will need to undertake a voter registration drive (they already have, but they’ll need to kick it into high gear).

    However, we are still grandfathered in for 2012, at least as long as we still get 2% in a statewide race this year.

    Again, this is according to Richard Winger, and he tends to know what he is talking about.

  283. paulie

    Where prop 14 (88) comes in is that there would be no Libertarians listed as such on the November election 2012,

    Correction, I think the Presidential candidate will still be listed as a Libertarian. I don’t know whether that would give the LP retention into 2014 if the presidential candidate gets 2%, and that would be better than they have done in the past.

    AIP registration has improved since it left
    the Constitution Party in June, 2008.

    AIP registration went up both before and after that, because most of those people (speaking from direct personal experience with registering numerous voters in California) think they are registering independent (decline to state) and independent registration is going up all over the country.

  284. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie,

    You take the view that most people that register
    in the American Independent Party, think they
    are decline to state and independent registration.

    Where do you get your source from. From the
    contacts I have made over the years, the people
    I talk to within the party know they are registered in a political party. However, a very
    high percentage still think the view of the party
    are the same as in 1968 with George C. Walace.

    Governor Wallace of Alabama helped the party
    with its orginal organization, but since the events
    of 2008, the AIP became the Pro-Life Movement party in California with the picks of
    Alan Keyes (for President) and Wiley Drake (for
    Vice President).

    The Presidential race in 2012 will have no imput
    as to ballot status of the LP. It is the registration
    that counts. In 2006 the LP registration was 79,711, that was under 88,991, by 9,280.
    It look like the LP in 2010 is still dealing with
    very poor registration numbers.

    One of the reasons I believe the registration is down with the LP is the libertarians that are pro-
    life are re -registering in the AIP, because of the
    views of Any Rand on abortion with in the LP.

    I just had a telecome with Markham Robinson
    and he said the 1 percent of the numbers of voters at the November 2, 2010 election will
    change again on January 1, 2011 to flat 100,000
    registration to remain on the ballot. Therefore,
    the LP needs to move from current mark of 91,111 to 100,000. LP needs to get their registration in high gear.

    Nightingale has been a total zero in all parties she
    has registered in, viz., Libertarian, Republican,
    and American Independent. Let’s hope she finds
    her place in her new home the Constitution Party
    of California with the Grundmann’s of Alameda
    County. AIP does not want her in its party, when
    it voted to keep her from being recognized as a
    candidate within the American Independent Party at the 2010 State Convention,

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  285. paulie

    Where do you get your source from.

    As previously noted, including in the comment you are responsing to, from personally registering well over 10,000 voters in California myself personally.

    You may now consider me a source.

    The vast majority of people who checked the AIP box with me did not know it was a political party. When I told them, some tore up the form and filled out a new one, correctly marking their choice as Decline to State, while others said they didn’t want to take the time and couldn’t care less what party they were registered with. At most one or two out of a hundred already knew the AIP is a political party and had some idea of its views.

  286. paulie

    I just had a telecome with Markham Robinson
    and he said the 1 percent of the numbers of voters at the November 2, 2010 election will
    change again on January 1, 2011 to flat 100,000
    registration to remain on the ballot.

    Incorrect. The actual number will not be known until the election results are tallied. 100,000 is an estimate, not an exact number.

  287. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie

    The current registration of the AIP is 413,032

    Ten years ago this month it was at 321,838 electors.

    The current registration of the LP is 91,111

    Ten years ago this month it was at 94,900 electors.

    Registration in the American Independent Party
    has gone up over the last 10 years by 91,194 electors.

    Resistration in the Libertarian Party has gone
    down over the last 10 years by 3,789 electors.

    One reason is the Students of Objectivist School
    are active in the LP and have been driving pro-
    life libertarian into the AIP. Ludwig von Mises
    work Human Action has been a great backbone on
    the leadership of AIP. You will not find Rand
    read by AIPer. Well at least true AIPer. Nightingale might be an exception, because she
    became so excited to walk into Galt, California
    (a la Atlas Shrugs). Nightingale is not pro-life
    and votes should consider that when they vote
    on Tuesday.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  288. paulie

    One reason is …

    That’s not a big reason. I already mentioned the major reason the AIP numbers are going up.

    The LP numbers went down during much of the 2000s because we did not have our act together, but recently there has been a turnaround and they are going back up, along with paid membership, number of candidates, vote totals, etc.

  289. Don Grundmann

    ” Nightingale has been a total zero in all parties she has registered in ”

    Response – As usual Mark Seidenberg is lying. Chelene Nightingale has gotten endorsements from across the nation ( Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Sheriff Richard Mack, G, Edward Griffin, Tom Tancredo, Virgil Goode, and many others – all people who would never in any possibility support her criminal primary opponent, Mark Robinson ) and has been responsible for any growth within the AIP as her integrity and courageousness as a candidate has countered the increasing common knowledge that the ultra corrupt Robinson criminal enterprise; with Mark Seidenberg as the resident Republican/ADL/SPLC agent; is the state recognized faction of the AIP. After the election the Constitution Party will begin to drain off the membership of the AIP as increasing numbers of citizens recognize that the Robinson criminal enterprise is the ” leadership ” of the corruption faction of the party. Citizens will increasingly recognize the moral and literal criminality of Robinson and Seidenberg and will treat them accordingly.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  290. Don Grundmann

    ” Nightingale is not pro-life ”

    Response – Yet another Mark Seidenberg lie. Those who are not pro-life; i.e.; are in fact pro-death; are the ADL and the SPLC; the anti-American organizations for which Mark Seidenberg is an active agent. Just as he is a fake AIP member due to his being an agent of the Republican Party so also is he a fake pro-lifer due to his being an ADL/SPLC agent.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  291. Mark Seidenberg

    Don Grunndmann,

    I am not an agent for Republicans, ADL, or SPLC. I am not in any faction of the AIP.

    I have been the Vice Chairman of the American
    Independent Party State Central Committee since September 3, 2006.

    I am the elected Chairman of the Orange County
    Central Committee of the American Independent
    Party.

    Don Grundmann has not been on the State Central Committee of the American Independent
    Party, since September 2, 2008.

    Don Grundmann is not a member of Alameda
    County Central Committee of the American
    Independent Party. You can confirm that with
    Patrick Colglazier who is the Chairman of the
    Alameda County Central Committee of the American Independent Party.

    The next hearing in KING vs. ROBINSON will
    be on March 11, 2011 at the Fairfield Courthouse.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party, affiliated with
    the America’s Independent Party, since June,
    2008,

    P.S. Every thing with Grundmann is “fake”,
    from “fake votes” to fake telephones.

  292. Best We Can Do? [Lake]

    MORE INDICATIONS THAT

    [a] Elvis Has Left the Building

    [b] Nightmare Nightingale has left the state

    [c] Lake has been saying so for WEEKS

    “Mark Hinkle, Libertarian National Committee chair; Mike Feinstein, co-chair of the Green Party of the United States; C.T. Weber, state chairperson of Peace and Freedom Party of California and candidate for lieutenant governor of California; Laura Wells, Green Party candidate for governor of California; Carlos Alvarez, Peace and Freedom Party candidate for governor of California; Ann Menasche, Green Party candidate for California Secretary of State; Christina Tobin, Libertarian candidate for California Secretary of State and founder and chair of The Free and Equal Elections Foundation; Lex Green, Libertarian candidate for governor of Illinois; Todd McCormick, founder of Hempire Media; and

    ****************
    Mark Seidenberg, vice chairman of the American Independent Party State Central Committee.”

    NO NIGHTINGALE

    Two other ‘free’ forums, at least two. The three no shows? Brown, Whitman, NIGHTINGALE!

  293. Don Grundmann

    Lake – Another stupid nitwit comment from you but what else can anyone expect?? Chelene has been endorsed by Sheriff Richard Mack and Sheriff Joe Arpaio, 2 of the most, if not the most, prominent Sheriffs in the nation. She has been endorsed by Tom Tancredo, G. Edward Griffin, and many others. Who has endorsed Don Lake for anything? Only moral and literal criminals like Mark Robinson and Mark Seidenberg. The lowest of the low from below the bottom of the barrel endorsing their own kind. No accident there as you all share the same character qualities – ultra corrupt and outright liars. Chelene Nightingale is a woman of integrity, honesty, honor, courage, strength and intelligence; character qualities which are the total opposite of you.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  294. paulie

    I think what Mr. Lake is referring to (context missing, as usual) is that Ms. Nightingale has not said she is for Prop 19. I’m not sure whether she has actually said she’s against it, though.

  295. Mark Seidenberg

    Paulie,

    I was present in San Bernadino County and a person asked Nightingale about Prop 19, and
    her answer was she was against it.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg

  296. paulie

    Thanks for clearing that up. Pretty shameful position for an ex-Libertarian.

    In other news,

    California US Senate with 92% reporting, 3rd thru 6th

    Gail Lightfoot
    Lib. 119,873 1.7%
    Marsha Feinland
    P.A.F 90,529 1.3%
    Edward C. Noonan
    A.I.P. 87,636 1.2%
    Duane Roberts
    Green 86,775 1.2%

    California Governor @ 93% – 3rd thru 6th

    Chelene Nightingale
    A.I.P. 110,302 1.6%
    Dale Ogden
    Lib. 102,678 1.4%
    Laura Wells
    Green 86,314 1.2%
    Carlos Alvarez
    P.A.F 61,084 0.9%

    Ms. Nightingale’s rabid fans here will be happy to know this is the only statewide race in which AIP came in third.

    Cal major ballot measures

    Prop 19 lost 54-46

    for the rest see http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/results/california

    Simple cut and paste screws up the table and makes it a jumble and I don’t want to take the time to redo the table html or retype the results

    Cal Lt Gov @ 93%, 3rd thru 6th

    Pamela Brown
    Lib. 399,830 5.8%
    Jim King
    A.I.P. 130,336 1.9%
    James Castillo
    Green 110,261 1.6%
    C.T. Weber
    P.A.F 80,225 1.2%

    Significant here is that 3rd thru 6th added up to more than the margin of victory that will send prop 14?s AbominAbel Maldonado packing. Too bad he can’t take it with him, though.

    Also significant is the LP result, well above 3rd through 6th in all the other statewide races and more than enough for ballot retention for 2012.

    Cal SOS @ 93%, 3rd thru 6th

    Ann Menasche
    Green 194,116 2.9%
    Christina Tobin
    Lib. 148,969 2.2%
    Merton Short
    A.I.P. 113,921 1.7%
    Marylou Cabral
    P.A.F 112,962 1.7%

    That gives the Greens a spot in 2012.

    Cal Atty Gen, Treasurer, Controller: 3rd thru 6th all between 1.3 and 3.0%. Greens had 3rd place in two of those and Libertarians in one.

    So, out of the 7 statewide races Libertarians had third place in three races, same for Greens, and AIP had one race they got 3rd place in, Nightingale for Governor.

    Peace and Freedom got 2.1% for controller, so if that holds up, all four alt parties keep a presidential line in 2012.

    Pamela Brown, Libertarian in the LtGov race was the standout with a much higher percentage than any of the other statewide alt party candidates.

  297. Single Winner Districts = Neanderthal Attractor

    Pretty good, among the “Coalition of Seven”, eight with Gail Lightfoot [Libertarian], we hit the old nail on the head on at least three of them who came out on top among third parties and independents.

    Lightfoot [Libertarian], Nightingale [Constitution Independent] and Pamela Brown [Libertarian], according to previous posts.

    I think there may have been a vote leader P&F Controller and maybe others too. A small success.

    The USA Parliament, Inc. drooped our mention of pro-proposition 19 due to a last minute ruling coalition vote, so we were neutral on that one in the end.

    We’re continuing the coalition of seven through 2014 under current rules.

    http://usparliament.org/drafts/electionAD_10-11-02.html

  298. Don lake where is you

    all I can say is 🙂 🙂 🙂 told ya so. See no snark no mean……2% Nightingale I knew she would not siphon from Whitman CA is way DEM, forever. Saw Steve Cooley lost attorney general to a dem…surprising

  299. Don lake where is you

    Dale Ogden got almost as much as nightingale and he hardly campaigned at all, just goes to show you, some people will vote party no matter what. Libertarians got quite a good del of votes in ca.

  300. Don lake where is you

    next on the nightingale agenda brining back prop 187 she will stick her pin head and show her real colors become the rabid Xenophobe, she has always been. You’ll see, she will regale herself to be considered even more fringe than fringe. and dats the name of dat tune……

  301. Best We Can Do? [Lake]

    paulie // Nov 2, 2010:

    I think what Mr. Lake is referring to (context missing, as usual) is that Ms. Nightingale has not said she is for Prop 19 …………. Yep!

    Worked night and day to spread the word on Nightmare Nightingale. Yes I am disappointed! Hopefully her corrupt presence is done on the west coast. Noticed that other (real) AIPers got bigger percentages. To be replaced by other CP left overs I presume, sad!

  302. paulie

    Noticed that other (real) AIPers got bigger percentages.

    Such as…?

    Nightingale came in 3rd, none of the other AIP statewide candidates did.

    Noonan for US Senate came in 5th. Jim King for LG, 4th, but well behind the Libertarian candidate. Merton Short, 5th. ETC.

  303. Don lake where is you

    1.6 nightingale 1.4% Dale Ogden and dale barely campaigned….this shows something..

  304. Don lake where is you

    So all that bickering and such for what? If you lose, you really have not gained anything…you lost.
    She said she did it for you But really she did it for herself. And TRUTH PREVAILED! WON OVER
    Self serving!!!!! MAJORITY RULED!

  305. paulie

    @405 Well, one thing it shows is that, as I said in previous comments above, the vote registrations are not a true measure of AIP support, most people checking that box are mistakenly thinking they are registering decline to state (independent).

    Otherwise the AIP would have been beating the LP in all those races by about 5-1 on average, right?

  306. Don lake where is you

    Prop 14 will be a blessing, only the top 2. If you added up all third parties for senate Carly MAY have won. If third parties want to really JOIN the party, the they better step it up, you will always have to go against REPS and dems….and “Affirmative action, ballot designation is no more. BTW looks like the teaparty really didn’t make any headway.. NUT angle lost, nut O’Connell lost….you can’t just put loonie tunes in just because someone says THEY ARE CHANGE…(That kind of change was scary. and WE WONT BE FOOLED again! I like Brown…I am happy, Meg did it to herself I guess, People the voter RE SMARTER THAN WE LOOK :0

  307. Don lake where is you

    Did you notice in nevada how many people vote NONE of the above go check it out for senate…they had that designation on the ballot a lot of people voted that……now that sends a message….

  308. Don lake where is you

    well, I am not a third party person I believe in cleaning my own space in the world. And Goverment really doesn’t play a big role in my life. (of course taxes) but other than that….I run my own ship..so dems reps mars venus….no matter to me.

  309. Don lake where is you

    and in the end…..we all will die….some with a smile others still fighting,,,, be happy 🙂

  310. Don lake where is you

    lol hopefully we won’t have to come back (that unfinished business stuff) SO SAVE YOUR SOUL now repent sinners repent! (oh do I have a lot of repenting 🙂

  311. wolfefan

    Before we read too much “told you she would lose” stuff (which as paulie notes everyone knew all along) it’s worth nothing that Nightingale significantly outpolled Ed Noonan. Some folks have posted comments about how there’s some huge registration number for the AIP in CA and Nightingale got such a small percentage of it so AIP folks must not want her. Well, she got more than Robinson in the primary and Noonan in the general…

  312. Cody Quirk

    Nightingale and King did very well in their races, compared to Noonan and the other Keyes Faction candidates.

  313. JT

    And that’s why I said before, Cody, that Nightingale wasn’t getting 5% in the race. There were other third-party candidates that split that vote.

  314. Davi Rodrigues

    @408 Paulie

    “no one expected her to win the election, she came in 3rd which is a win by alt party standards”

    She didn’t come in third. Apathy did. Only 50% of the voters turned out, and that’s just those who even registered. Millions voted against everyone by boycotting. Hell, apathy may have even came in first, with Brown second, Meg third, and Nightingale 4th. But the 4th, fifth, and sixth are all slugging it out for the dubious honor of king or queen of the irrelevancy throne.

    And it’s not true that everyone expected Chelene wasn’t going to win. Heading up the brigade of those in absolute fantsyland will be Chelene herself, who will probably be needing a wallet to cry on today. I’ll bet there is a waterfall of mascara, lipstick, and highlighter running down her legs and pooling up around her shoes right now

  315. Cody Quirk

    And that’s why I said before, Cody, that Nightingale wasn’t getting 5% in the race. There were other third-party candidates that split that vote.

    = yet she still got 3rd place.

    She didn’t come in third. Apathy did

    = only in a figurative manner, but literally, she still got third place.

    And shes not leaving politics anytime soon.

  316. Cody Quirk

    BTW, the Democratic vote was so overwhelming that Chelene’s vote combined with the other third party candidates wouldn’t have made a difference in the gubernatorial race had they all went for Whitman; Brown won by 900,000 votes.

  317. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues – Another day and another of your pathetic whining attacks upon Chelene. Apathy ALWAYS wins in every election – this is a fact. But, as usual, you will put Chelene down no matter what. Just as she can march up the Central Valley and you, of course, will claim that she either didn’t ( even when she does it right in front of your eyes ) or she only walked 100 miles instead of 101 you are a reliable rodent put down of her even when she accomplishes what you not only never could but never would even try. The bottom line – she campaigned throughtout the state and brought the conservative message, including and especially the fight against illegal immigration, to the citizens; a message she delivered far better than you could ever dream of doing. She accomplished 1,000,000 times more than you could or would ever accomplish; and this despite the countless lies against her inclusive of those originiating from you. And as for your, yet again, petty remark regarding mascara, etc. Chelene will not only always be more physically beautiful than you ( easy enough to accomplish for anyone ) but, far more importantly, her character will, as it does now, even more so leave a whining cry baby like you in the dust. Her honor, courage, integrity, and intelligence were expressed throught the campaign and, more than anything else, put to shame someone like yourself who by your demonstrated actions not only has no clue of such wonderful character qualities as she has but, by your own choice, never will.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  318. JT

    Cody: “yet she still got 3rd place.”

    Nowhere near 5%. And garnering 1.9% vs. 1.6%? Okay, hang your hat on that.

  319. _

    Will Don G stop the charade of being AIP now? Its over don you have CP to try and make viable but doesn’t matter cause prop 14 makes all parties moot. You could run in the bankruptcy party or no party name at all in CA in 4 years Top 2 win

  320. _

    From what I read people were under the false impression that nightingale was an INDEPENDENT…a true independent…which she was not, thats why people voted they did not even read what the AIP even stood for, cause I heard her touting I am No party just me ME me independent ole me. (Which was of course a lie) BUT THE lie is out the air is fresh and clean thank you NO ON PROP 23 JerryBrown A FAIR MAN A GODLY MAN! its a ahppy day in ca!!!! woot woot

  321. _

    “oh happy dayz Oh happy dayzzz” “For he’s a jolly good fellow…for he’s a jolly good fellow” CHEERS TO JERRY “Brown power baby!”

  322. Don Grundmann

    ” they did not even read what the AIP even stood for, cause I heard her touting I am No party just me ME me independent ole me. ”

    Response = ” _ “/Mark Seidenberg – Mark, Chelene chose ( wisely so ) to distance herself from the AIP since the state recognized faction is the Robinson crime enterprise of which you are a chief agent. Hence rather than be smeared by the corruption and stench of the criminal actions of you and Mark Robinson she had to emphasize her campaign and push the unfortunate connection to traitors like yourselves to the side. Otherwise you would ( as you have done ) not only try to take credit for the many people which Chelene brought to the AIP but would also, as you have in fact done, attack her with your countless incredible lies all across the Internet and in physical reality. The positive result was that Chelene was an excellent candidate who brought great honor and integrity to the party. The negative result is that post-election, as with pre-election, the AIP, as represented by the state recognized Robinson criminal enterprise faction, is the most corrupt political party in the nation. The resultant task of the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the party of which I am the Chairman, is the destruction of the Robinson criminal enterprise and the restoration of the AIP to, minimally, its former status of both the true voice of the conservative 3rd party movement in the state and, especially, a party of non-corruption which is not controlled by a criminal organization. For the achievement of both these goals and the advancement of the conservative perspective in California both the REAL AIP and its sister organization of the Constitution Party are fortunate to have such a wonderful candidate of honor, integrity, intelligence, and courage as Chelene Nightingale leading the way toward the restoration and advancement of the conservative message to our citizens.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  323. Single Winner Districts = Neanderthal Attractor

    Re: #423 (JT?) wrote:

    JT // Nov 3, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    [snip, snip]

    Nowhere near 5%. And garnering 1.9% vs. 1.6%? Okay, hang your hat on that.”

    …yeah, when her own party member are busy throwing and smearing mud from the inside on her back…why couldn’t people just let her have her free speech? That’s all anyone who runs for office wants, a little free speech.

    It’s not like a third party candidate can win, remember Ross Perot [Reform]?

    So what if you don’t agree, seems like everyone should let her speak, and listen. Besides, she’s a fox, and probably six feet tall or more! She’d be good at basketball against Obama. How often do we even get attractive female candidates like her, who could probably muscle Obama away from the net? Not very often.

    Let her be! At least she was friendly enough to answer her phone, her email, and to be nice to me, to rank her own name #1!

    And her husband Michale Nightingale is a curtious person too.

    The Merton Short [American Independent/Constitution] and Diane Templin [Ameroican Independent] and many others liked her.

    We need more female candidates like her to run for office. No female has ever even been elected Gov./Lt. Gov or Prez/Vice Prez, and they make up more tha half the population!

    And Chair/Vice chair too.

    All you get is meanie males, like MSP Markham (MSP=member of super-state parliament) Robinson and meanie man Mark Seidenberg.
    –James

    Join the Frees,
    opposite gender #1!

  324. _

    She had no gravitas, she had no record no experience!! ANYONE CAN GO UP TO A STAGE AND YAMMER about FREEDOM. She was clueless, came off as uneducated and conspiracy tinged. A bit of an oddball and she represented oddballs and the like. So hip hip hurrah for ODDBALLS! (Vanity candiate) she should move somewhere she can get more votes because clearly in CA a third party will never make it past the DEMOCRATS or republicans but THE DEMS will gain more and more in CA, which is fine by me. IF you don’t like it MOVE OUT…

  325. Cody Quirk

    THE DEMS will gain more and more in CA, which is fine by me. IF you don’t like it MOVE OUT…

    = That’s fine by me as well since I’m in Nevada and all those companies that are going to be moving out of there come January because of that stupid greenhouse law that goes in effect will actually help our state’s economy and lower the unemployment by settling here.

    California’s stupidity is Nevada’s gain!

  326. paulie

    Hey, congratulations, fellow winners! This s about to become IPR’s most commented on Chelene Nightingale thread yet.

    Now the real question is whether y’all can keep the momentum going for another 300 comments and make it IPR’s longest thread, like, EVAH.

  327. Best We Can Do? [Lake]

    [Lake: quilty]

    Don Grundmann // Nov 3, 2010:

    “Chelene [Ward Nightingale] chose ( wisely so ) to distance herself from the AIP”

    [Lake: and yet she passed up being an independent independent]

  328. Davi Rodrigues

    I would be shocked if Chelene stays in California. She’s not a native of Cali, and has a history of movement. In addition, there’s not much anchoring her here anymore. What little base she was trying to build proved insignificant, and unprofitable. She also still has Frank’s judgement to contend with, and he’s filing a lien on her in addition to dragging her deadbeat butt through an examination order pretty soon. Her husbands handyman business is hardly a reason to stay in a place she pretty much finds completely against her grain.

  329. Don Grundmann

    Mr. Rodrigues -Since you speak so much of Chelene, as in the context above of her ” deadbeat butt,” how about explaining your own bankruptcies. If Chelene has, according to you, shafted people by declaring bankruptcy then you have more than matched and beat her in that department and in fact can give lessons to Chelene in shafting people. If, according to you, she is corrupt then certainly you have her beaten by a mile in that department as she is a kindergartener compared to your college degree in bankruptcy. In reality it is YOU who are the ” deadbeat butt.”

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  330. Don Grundmann

    ” _ ” – Mark, the election is over and you are still too cowardly to write under your own name. No surprise as you will always be a coward.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  331. Davi Rodrigues

    Sorry Mr Grundmann, but you have a selective memory. I didn’t fault her as a person for the BK. I did fault her for lying on her BK petition. And…I faulted her for trying to ptretend she has enough financial savvy to run the state after having filed BK recently and not recovering and proving herself as financially adept.
    The deadbeat label applies to her because she used a fellow patriot to obtain money and has been evading him ever since. I had little quarrel with her before I discovered she was so cannibalistic. She deserves no defense or quarter until she makes it right. She can cheat the banks; owe the government, and evade those debts she has no way of repaying and I don’t care about those, but she has willingly and maliciously used the good will of her own kind for self aggrandizement, and until she rights the wrongs, she will be on the receiving end of my scorn and whatever else I can dish out to her.

    And yes, I used the BK code, but it’s been over a decade, and….I am not holding myself out as a financial saviour. Never have.

  332. _

    Paranoid DG I am not mark, lol all this time you blamed that poor Bastid, for the writings of me. I am proud and our group is proud to have spread the word about the fraud of your candidate. Infact I can count at least 50 people we got to change their votes, let alone countless others. WE the people WON! wE THE PEOPLE don’t have carnie side show act nightingale in any postion in GOvernment. I have a postion she should hold, but will not lower myself to that level. lol You really owe this mark s an apology, as he did not post anything that was not signed by him. If you knew who I was, you and many others would S*it! I will remain silent on my identity has our goal was chieved, not that we ever thought your commie agenda, conspiracy theory twisted sickness ever had a chance at winning. I AM DELIGHTED with Brown….a God fearing man a real God fearing man, with experience representing us. Remember in the future we will be watching and alerting those of the REAL TRUTH! we the people have beat EVIL AND the mentally disturbed wack teafarty jerks..amen amen amen…xxo

  333. We the people

    Paranoid DG I am not mark, lol all this time you blamed that poor Bastid, for the writings of me. I am proud and our group is proud to have spread the word about the fraud of your candidate. Infact I can count at least 50 people we got to change their votes, let alone countless others. WE the people WON! wE THE PEOPLE don’t have carnie side show act nightingale in any postion in GOvernment. I have a postion she should hold, but will not lower myself to that level. lol You really owe this mark s an apology, as he did not post anything that was not signed by him. If you knew who I was, you and many others would S*it! I will remain silent on my identity has our goal was chieved, not that we ever thought your commie agenda, conspiracy theory twisted sickness ever had a chance at winning. I AM DELIGHTED with Brown….a God fearing man a real God fearing man, with experience representing us. Remember in the future we will be watching and alerting those of the REAL TRUTH! we the people have beat EVIL AND the mentally disturbed wack teafarty jerks..amen amen amen…xxo

  334. We the people

    Davi btw you released a video of Nightingale screaming at mexicans, I showed that video at a aprty to about 150 people, they also spread that video, on some sites people said, they had no idea Nightingale was this rabid. So that video really helped in showing her REAL COLORS good job. many people watched it…I directed many on many webistes to that video. (Out of her own mouth) we didn’t smear, she did it to herself anyway Davi..good job! Good luck to you with your new SOS. maybe one day we will meet.

  335. Cody Quirk

    She still performed better then any of the other third party candidates and got third place- DEAL WITH IT!

  336. Cody Quirk

    “I AM DELIGHTED with Brown….a God fearing man a real God fearing man, with experience representing us.”

    …I take it you are a socialist…Uh…I mean, liberal?

  337. We the people

    dale OGDEN Libertarian…110,000 how come you don’t tout him? He didn’t have any money and he didn’t campaign hard at all. So Nightingale didn’t gain really anything. When Art Olivier ran in 06 he got 100,000 votes it doesn’t take much and people now know about her chemtrails jazz, and her truther stance which really turned of 75% of people and republicans I know have said she is dead meat…if she ever wanted to join the rep party they wpould never back her. So she was a vanity candidate, didn’t accomplish one thing except cause chaos and division. thats all she wanted…what a wast of money POOR peoples money…she should give people their money back. They had no idea what she was really about. what a shame. what a dirty shame

  338. We the people

    for people who don’t like liberals then leave CA! be my guest get the heck out, we don’t need you. The more people leave the better I like it. The people have spoken and we like Jerry!!

  339. Don Grundmann

    ” _ “/We the people/Mark Seidenberg – Mark – You blew it. You exposed openly what we all already knew by putting out 2 successive posts under your different non-name/name nonsense. And don’t try to run this scam of your supporting Jerry Brown. You have always been a Republican agent working for Meg Whitman, not to mention your AFL and SPLC masters, so trying this ” I support Jerry Brown ” fake out to cover your trail will not work. It is just another one of your series of endless lies. Bottom line – Whitman lost. You failed in your mission. Your attacks on Chelene did not save Whitman. You are simply a ” vanity traitor ” – lying and betraying the nation for your own ego satisfaction.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  340. walt _ we the people

    I am not mark doesn’t matter prop 14 assures NO MORE BS aip or cp….no more affirmative action designation I don’t care who you thunk I am you insignificant little worm. How I lowered myself to even address you all this time is beyond me. You stink your party stinks and you are the biggest Jerk in the history of the world! MA UP you little puss.

  341. walt _ we the people

    paranoid retard! wait, I am giving retards a bad name…ha ha ho ho the horror of plamdale lost run along now..ahhahahahahahaha you sure showed us huh….whoa whoa….rofl ta xxoo

  342. Davi Rodrigues

    @445 We The People:

    Sorry, but I can’t take credit for that video. I haven’t seen it, but I can tell you I have no video of Chelena screaming at mexicans. And…I have probably done that too.

  343. Don Grundmann

    ” Sorry Mr Grundmann, but you have a selective memory. I didn’t fault her as a person for the BK. I did fault her for lying on her BK petition. And…I faulted her for trying to ptretend she has enough financial savvy to run the state after having filed BK recently and not recovering and proving herself as financially adept.”

    Response – Mr. Rodrigues – Within the same paragraph you contradict yourself but no surprise there. You claim that you didn’t fault her as a person which you then proceed to do. You are so foaming-at-the-mouth to attack Chelene that you can’t help yourself. But I do have to give you credit in your apparent new career as a comedian. Davi Rodrigues as a defender of patriots??? Hilarious if not for its being a sick joke. No, Mr. Rodrigues. As I have said before I don’t know what Chelene said to you to start you off on your chosen career of revenge but whatever it was allow me to state the facts more clearly right now – you are a fake. You are simply a low level mole within the patriot movement who is, and will be, more than willing to sell out those truly fighting for the survival of our nation. You will simply cost a penny to buy as compared to the thousands of dollars that a more well established traitor like Mark Seidenberg charges. My memory is actually not only quite good but is reaching many other people as I am slowly spreading the word that you are poison and should be avoided like the plague. You can take your moleness/betrayal and put it where the sun doesn’t shine. Just as you ” dish out ” betrayal don’t be surprised when payback times 10 comes and, as the truth spreads, real patriots treat you as the backstabbing rat that you are. You are diligently working to get the same wonderful reputation that your buddies Mark Robinson and Mark Seidenberg have ( although you will never ” live up ” to their level of corruption ) – as a treasonous ultra corrupt traitor who will stab their grandmother in the back if it helps their cause.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  344. Don Grundmann

    ” walt _ we the people ” – Mark – 3 of your fake names in one byline. Why waste them all??? Don’t you have ANY originality???

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  345. paulie

    Here’s a video that should unite both the America’s Independent Party and Constitution Party affiliated groups that seek to lay claim to the American Independent Party ballot line and its 400,000 mostly confused registrants….

  346. Davi Rodrigues

    Mr Grundmann,

    (sigh)…You’re a poor deluded soul.
    I said I didn’t fault her AS A PERSON for FILING A BK. The financial sytem is heavily slanted, and I know how difficult it can be for people within the immigration law enforcement movement to make money in this world. But for all her speeches full of bravado about standing up to the feds, she didn’t do that herself. She lied to them. That’s what a weasel does. It wasn’t to save a life, or protect the innocent. It wasn’t to protect our country. It was to keep the feds in the dark about her finances. And to keep the patriot whose good faith was placed in her from discovering her intent to run for office until it was well underway. She used him; she misled him, and then cast him out as a traitor when he demanded she honor her committment. this is what she does. You can just extrapolate that to my case, although without the loan. For that matter, you can extrapolate that to many former and current SOS faithful.

    And I’m done with you until your turn comes with her. I’ve been reading your diatribe and name first person insults for too long now. I have refrained from retaliating against you in kind, and I think it’s best we just not exchange anymore so I won’t be drawn into that with you

  347. paulie

    A little distraction from this distraction…..

    The Republicans Are Already at It
    Posted by Anthony Gregory on November 4, 2010 11:58 AM

    They are vowing to put a stop to Obama’s phony Afghanistan withdrawal.

    This is how elections work. In 2000, Bush wins promising a more humble foreign policy. He expands the warfare state. In 2006, the Democrats win promising a more humble national security policy. They expand the surveillance state. In 2008, Obama wins promising to spend less on war than Bush. He triples down on Afghanistan, promising to draw more Afghan blood than the Republicans ever vowed to, and then eventually to let up a bit. In 2010, the Republicans win saying Obama has expanded government far too much. And already they are doing all they can to prevent the killing in Afghanistan to return to pre-Obama levels!

    One thing seems clear to me. If I were a warmonger, and understood what was going on, I’d be happy after pretty much every election. No less when a man wins office with antiwar sentiment behind him (see, e.g., Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, Obama). Since I’m a peacenik, you can guess how every election actually makes me feel. Of course, domestic policy generally gets worse too.

  348. Cody Quirk

    dale ogden got nearly 110,000 and he barely had a pulse!!

    = Yet Chelene still got more votes then him, and she also got nearly twice as many votes for Governor then Ed Noonan got in his gubernatorial run in 2006.

  349. Davi Rodrigues

    There was life in the AIP even greater than Chelene back in 2002. Chelene got 1.6%, and the candidate in ’02 got 1.7%.
    Chelene’s association…read…hijacking, of the AIP label will cost them. But what does she care? She tossed them out for the Constitution Party anyway. She used the AIP just as she used SOS, Mr Jorge, and the rest of us.

    And Paulie,

    I agree with you on war issue. Both of the big two are little else but facilitators for big oil, big banks, and big manufacturing. But until a true reformer shuns the lure of power, fame, and greed, we don’t have a chance for an upset. I don’t think we’ll see that until people are ready to revolt like in the 60’s. The revolt in the 60’s did not rally around a single person for the most part, but rather the premise of disrupting the war machine and war mentality. That seems to have slipped away

  350. Mark Seidenberg

    Davi Rodrigues,

    It’s over. Chelene Nightingale, was not running for Governor of California as American Independent Party, because the State Central Committee looked at Nightingale and said NO.
    We on the State Central Committee and Delegates at the 2010 Convention in South Sacramento Community of Sacramento County,
    CA will run no one for Governor.

    Yes, the 2010 election is over, I am just sorry that the other good people running for office in
    AIP got hurt by the Nightingale Campaign.

    Let it be known that all mail addressed to Nightingale at my address was returned to the
    post office as not here.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Chairman,
    Orange Couunty Central Committee of the American Independent Party.

  351. paulie

    Here is what I have been able to find with wikipedia

    1990

    Republican Pete Wilson 3,791,904 49.25%
    Democratic Dianne Feinstein 3,525,197 45.78%
    Libertarian Dennis Thompson 145,628 1.89%
    American Independent Jerome McCready 139,661 1.81%
    Peace and Freedom Maria Elizabeth Muñoz 96,842 1.26%

    1994 gubernatorial election, California

    Party Candidate Votes Percentage
    Republican Pete Wilson (incumbent) 4,781,766 55.18%
    Democratic Kathleen Brown 3,519,799 40.62%
    Libertarian Richard Rider 149,281 1.72%
    American Independent Jerome McCready 133,870 1.54%
    Peace and Freedom Gloria Estela LaRiva 80,440 0.93%

    1998 gubernatorial election, California
    Party Candidate Votes Percentage
    Democratic Gray Davis 4,860,702 57.97%
    Republican Dan Lungren 3,218,030 38.38%
    Green Dan Hamburg 104,179 1.24%
    Libertarian Steve Kubby 73,845 0.88%
    Peace and Freedom Gloria Estela LaRiva 59,218 0.71%
    American Independent Nathan E. Johnson 37,964 0.45%
    Natural Law Harold H. Bloomfield
    31,237 0.37%

    2002:

    Democratic Gray Davis (incumbent) 3,533,490 47.26%
    Republican Bill Simon 3,169,801 42.40%
    Green Peter Miguel Camejo 393,036 5.26%
    Libertarian Gary David Copeland 161,203 2.16%
    American Independent Reinhold Gulke 128,035 1.71%
    Natural Law Iris Adam 88,415 1.18%

    2006:

    Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger (inc.) 4,850,157 55.88%
    Democratic Phil Angelides 3,376,732 38.91%
    Green Peter Camejo 205,995 2.37%
    Libertarian Art Olivier 114,329 1.32%
    Peace and Freedom Janice Jordan 69,934 0.81%
    American Independent Edward Noonan 61,901 0.71%

    2010:

    Democratic Jerry Brown 4,009,280 53.6%
    Republican Meg Whitman 3,088,070 41.3%
    American Independent Chelene Nightingale 119,046 1.6%
    Libertarian Dale Ogden 109,490 1.5%
    Green Laura Wells 91,029 1.2%
    Peace and Freedom Carlos Alvarez 65,614 0.8%

  352. paulie

    AIP for Governor

    1990: 4th place
    1994: 4th place
    1998: 6th place
    2002: 5th place
    2006: 6th place
    2010: 3rd place.

    So, in terms of place, Nightingale did better than any AIP candidate for governor since at least 1990; I have not found earlier figures.

    As a percentage of the overall vote, her 1.6% is lower than the results in 1990 and 2002, but better than the results in 1994, 1998, and 2006.

    Note that none of these raw numbers for AIP candidates for Governor come anywhere close to the number of AIP registered voters. However, the number of Green, Libertarian and Peace and Freedom votes generally correspond (very roughly, but still) closely with their voter registrations – some years above, some below, but in no case off by a factor of 5-10x as is usually the case with the AIP.

    This is more evidence for my contention that most people who are registered with the AIP are registered with that party by mistake, thinking they are registering independent; that is, they meant to check the decline to state a political party box.

    If this is insufficient evidence, we can also look at the primary results for each year.

  353. JT

    Earlier I said the third-place candidate got 1.9% and the fourth-place candidate got 1.6%. Either that was only the case at the time I saw the data, or I was just wrong. Either way, I mistakenly said it was the final tally.

    Paulie: “As a percentage of the overall vote, her 1.6% is lower than the results in 1990 and 2002, but better than the results in 1994, 1998, and 2006.”

    True. IMO, 1.6% is pathetic regardless.

    Paulie: “This is more evidence for my contention that most people who are registered with the AIP are registered with that party by mistake, thinking they are registering independent; that is, they meant to check the decline to state a political party box.”

    My contention as well, which I’ve made here before. If all of those people were really AIP supporters, enough to register with the party knowing what it stands for, then you’d expect the vast majority of them to vote for AIP candidates. It’s really too bad that the AIP isn’t called the Ultra-Conservative Christian Party. Then we’d see how many registrants it would have in California.

  354. Don Grundmann

    ” Chelene’s association…read…hijacking, of the AIP label will cost them. But what does she care? She tossed them out for the Constitution Party anyway. She used the AIP just as she used SOS, Mr Jorge, and the rest of us.”

    Response – Mr. Rodrigues – Your incessant attacking of Chelene for any of your imagined slights by her is truly pathetic but it continues to richly illustrate your character or more accurately both the lack of it and the sickness of what remains. A) Chelene did not ” hijack ” the AIP label. She was the winner in the primary against a candidate who created and to this day is one of the controllers of a criminal organization. Hence that is a stupid comment to make but, from you, certainly not unexpected and in fact totally in tune with your lack of, and sickness of, character. B) The true hijacking of the AIP was by Mark Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, and Ed Noonan; i.e; the Robinson criminal enterprise; by their deliberate filing of fake documents with the Secretary of State office as I have documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. C) Chelene Nightingale brought great honor and integrity to the AIP, a party suffering under criminal attack by treasonous elements of our nation, by her campaign. Her campaign brought many people into the party despite the cloud of corruption and disgrace engulfing the party by the actions of the Robinson criminal enterprise. D) Chelene is an honored member of not only the Constitution Party but of the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the party which you oppose. E) Your stupidity is most openly on display by the comment that ” She used the AIP just as she used SOS, Mr Jorge, and the rest of us.” This is the comment of a stupid fool who will hysterically make up the most outrageous, and just plain dumb, comments for any reason in support of their agenda which in your case is your childish and infantile quest for revenge against imagined slights. In summary your comments are just further confirmation of your role as a mini-mole within the conservative movement; ever working to destroy from within the work of countless patriots who are fighting to save our nation.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

  355. Mark Seidenberg

    Davi Rodrigues,

    1. The American Independent Party is not the
    California branch of the Constitution Party. Grundmann knows better because I claims to be the Chairman of the Constitution Party of California with it’s regi8stration of 163.

    Grundmann has not been on the SCC of AIP, September 2, 2008.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
    American Independent Party

  356. Single Winner Districts = Neanderthal Attractor

    From: MSP Chelene Nightingale [Constitution Independent]
    (MSP=member of super-state parliament)

    To All My Supporters – THANK YOU!!

    One of the most wonderful things in life is to look around to find a sea of friendly faces surrounding you. And during the last eighteen months, that is virtually all I have seen. To be sure, there have been difficult times. Yet, your faith in me… your encouragement… your cheer-leading kept me going. Looking into the face of the children, who deserve a brighter future; watching the expression of desperation and fear turn to a smile and a feeling of hope; knowing that I have been asked to make a difference – these were all the source of my inspiration.

    My wonderful husband and son have been so very patient with me throughout the campaign. I love them so much, and want to thank them for being so incredibly supportive during this journey!

    Yet, what drives me to continue is you… my fellow Californians. We live in a place we all love and care for so very deeply. And we want this wonderful state to be the best it possibly can for our children, and their children, and their children’s children. The legacy we leave is only as uplifting as the tools we leave behind. I want those tools to be in their hands so desperately – you have no idea.

    While we did not win the seat… we won quite a lot. We created more awareness in the big political machines and the mainstream media that we will not remain silent as this state slips deeper and deeper into debt. Our voices are mounting… and they’d better be ready!

    Nobody thought that this puny little group of a few thousand people living in thirteen separate areas would amount to anything at all. It was just a bunch of rabble-rousers that could be calmed with a couple thousand muskets. Well.. they were absolutely wrong! And that message is beginning to ring true today.

    Evil prevails when good men do nothing – as the saying states. You, my wonderful supporters, have proven that we will not stand idly by and “do nothing” as this state becomes a graveyard for business, 48th in education, overrun by illegal immigration, suffers the highest unemployment in the nation, and big business controls the purse strings. The sleeping giant has begun to open its eyes to the reality of the desperate need to take this state back and place it into the hands of the people, once again.

    I will not give up the fight! Anyone who knows me is clear that I am not one to back down when the rights of the people are threatened.

    So please keep watching. Please keep pushing. Keep up the pressure and I promise you this… “I’ll be back!”

    I love you all – please know that. To my team and their families… I owe you a huge debt of gratitude. Always remember – we do this all for you!

  357. Yeah, It's The King of Swing, Baby

    You got that right Davi….

    And just to remind everyone, the “barn” door will swing open to reveal Chelene Nightingale’s “animal” passions for all to see…12.11.10…at 09:08:07 AM.

    Viva Jerry Brown y viva California!

  358. Cody Quirk

    Viva Jerry Brown y viva California!

    = The reason why me and hundreds of thousands of others are moving out of that cursed state and why when that greenhouse law goes into effect this January, businesses will be leaving California as well.

    The socialist utopia will be coming to an end soon!

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