California Libertarian gets more than a half million votes

California is still counting ballots, but one Libertarian candidate has already broken a record. Pam Brown, running for Lt. Governor has received more than 525,000 votes. Current totals as of November 13, 2010:

Gavin Newsom (Dem) 4,530,039
50.2%
  Abel Maldonado (Rep) 3,548,727
39.4%
  Jim King (AI) 170,635
1.8%
  James “Jimi” Castillo (Grn) 144,603
1.6%
  Pamela J. Brown (Lib) 525,722
5.9%
  C.T. Weber (P&F) 104,722
1.1%

This is the highest vote total in California for a Libertarian  candidate in a contest with both major parties running candidates.

In 1986, the Libertarian candidate for State Treasurer received more than 580,000 votes in a contest against the Democrat incumbent and two other alternative party candidates, but no Republican.

Pam Brown’s vote total reflects conservative disgust with Abel Maldonado, who as State Senator provided one of the votes to pass the Democrat spending plan. State Senator Maldonado traded his vote for Democrat agreement to put the Top Two proposition on the ballot. The defeat of Abel Maldonado is a victory for all alternative party voters in California, and a special victory for The Libertarian Party of California.

38 thoughts on “California Libertarian gets more than a half million votes

  1. George Whitfield

    Is Pamela Brown’s result also a record California state-wide LP candidate record percentage wise?

  2. David F. Nolan

    As I recall, Hal Jindrich received somewhere close to a half-million votes for some statewide office back in the 1970s. Given the much smaller vote totals back then, that may have been a higher percentage of the statewide vote. Rich Winger probably knows the exact figures.

  3. Be Rational

    I watched the video and Pamela Brown did do an excellent job. She presented the Libertarian Party and addressed the issues well.

    She would be an excellent choice as another spokesperson alongside Wayne Root.

    *******

    I also watched Christina Tobin and was horrified. She’s not a libertarian nor a Libertarian. She only prattled on about the terrible idea of proportional representation which would actually hurt the cause of liberty in America. She came across as a ditzy and uninformed cheerleader for PR and Ralph Nader.

    Single member electoral districts with plurality voting is the best opportunity to increasing liberty and maintaining it for the long term. We should not waste our time and effort on nonsense such as PR and all the other foolish alternative voting systems that are being advocated in various forms by numerous tiny factions … and we should not be nominating non-libertarians, if at all possible, to represent our party.

    The Libertarian Party can win in single member plurality districts if we bother to run the best candidates and back them with adequate resources.

    We need to focus our efforts on party building, ballot access, ballot access reform and, most of all, winning elections.

  4. Gene Berkman

    Dave @ #4 – Hal Jindrich received 206,000 votes for Superintendent of Public Instruction in 1974. This was about 3% for a Non-Partisan office.

    In 1986 Ray Cullen received 8.4% for State Treasurer, but there was no Republican candidate in the race. The AIP candidate received 5.4% and the PFP candidate received 3.6%, with the Democrat incumbent (Jesse Unruh) being re-elected with 82.7%.

    Pam Brown – now @ 528,000 votes – has the record for percentage for an LP candidate in a race with both major parties running candidates.

  5. Ted Brown

    In the 1990 California Insurance Commissioner race, I received 440,000 votes, or 6%. This was a 4 way race: Dem, Rep, Libertarian & Peace&Freedom.

  6. Best We Can Do? [Lake]

    “I also watched Christina Tobin and was horrified. She’s not a libertarian nor a Libertarian.

    She only prattled on about the terrible idea of proportional representation which would actually hurt the cause of liberty in America.

    She came across as a ditzy and uninformed cheerleader for PR and Ralph Nader ……….”

    [Lake: Not the first time I have heard this. As much as I adore Richard BAN Winger, I just could not endorse / vote for Ms Tobin. I have heard nothing good ’bout her out side of Paulie Land. And she is the 2010 winner of the Nightmare Nightingale ‘Diss your Potential Allies’ award!]

  7. George Whitfield

    Congratulations to Ted Brown for the highest percentage for a statewide candidate and to Pamela Brown for the highest percentage for Lt. Governor! As I recall there was a great Brown candidate named Harry, too.

  8. Single Winner District = Neanderthal Attractor

    #5

    Christina Tobin [Independent] did very well and she has a huge heart.

    From my experience, I think voting is much more arbitrary than people realize. There are many factors involved, and I rather doubt the videos had an impact.

    For example, Pamela Brown was the only female candidate for Lt. Gov. among the six, while Christina Tobin’s race for Secretary of State featured three females and an African American, which could have diluted the vote for those who may have voting for more diversity in government.

    Christina Tobin [Independent] did a good job, and should be highly commended for accessing free speech and reaching out to voters in new and innovative ways.

    She is very active in building bridges with all parties and independents, by founding Free and Equal Elections Foundation, Inc. which sponsored several gubernatorial debates across the USA, including California in 2010.

    I’m a supporter of hers, and despite the fact that she acts highly independent, she is a fighter of liberty, and in addition she’s an excellent moderator, organizer of events, speaker and facilitator.
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  9. One Who Knows

    Tobin was an awful candidate, doing more time self-promoting and Free and Equal instead of actually campaigning for Secretary of State.

    At the national convention in St. Louis, she missed a floor vote while being on the floor and then complained about missing the vote after the voting closed and wanted it reopened just for her–and her vote would have had no impact on the final tally, either. Hardly behavior fitting of an advocate for fair elections to do that, ya think?

    Oh, yeah she also tried (and failed) to talk the CALP out of its Prop 14 ad money, because she saw dollar signs and nothing else.

    She was an embarrassment of a candidate.

  10. Best We Can Do? [Lake]

    Heard this before, verbally, word for word. May be it was ‘One Who Knows’.

    Oh wait, Don Lake is at fault. Not Tobin. Not Nightingale. Not Grundmann. Not Cody Quirk. Not Richard Rider. Not Bruce Cohen. Not Jill Stein. Not Patricia LaMarshe. Not Cobb. Not the Buchanans

  11. Single Winner District = Neanderthal Attractor

    Here is the current URL;
    http://www.freeandequal.org/

    As you can see, she had invited all parties to the debate as equals, and three of the six Gov candidates appeared … including MSP Dale Ogden [Libertarian], MSP Chelene Nightingale [Constitution] and Controller Minister Laura Wells [Green]. (MSP=member of state parliament)

    > One Who Knows // Nov 16, 2010 at 1:17 am

    “One Who Knows?” Well that surely must mean you probably don’t know…

    “Tobin was an awful candidate, doing more time self-promoting and Free and Equal instead of actually campaigning for Secretary of State.”

    Well, she did more than any other candidate for Secretary of State… she sponsored and moderated a Gov debate from candidates of all parties.

    “At the national convention in St. Louis, she missed a floor vote while being on the floor and then complained about missing the vote after the voting closed and wanted it reopened just for her–and her vote would have had no impact on the final tally, either. Hardly behavior fitting of an advocate for fair elections to do that, ya think?”

    Maybe she was just trying to participate?

    Unfortunately, Libertarian conventions are actually quite primitive in their rather exclusionary and hypercritical practices. They claim to be for more liberty, but they prohibit non Libertarians from participating.

    They act like they own the word liberty.

    She’s an independent herself.

    “Oh, yeah she also tried (and failed) to talk the CALP out of its Prop 14 ad money, because she saw dollar signs and nothing else.”

    Strike three…you’re out. Why would I believe nonsense like that, I think the problem is definitely with the way the California Libertarian Party is run. I know a few things myself, I ran for chair of the CALP in 1997, and I speak from that experience.

    The CALP is set up, so that their system is democratically illegit, and highly exclusionary.

    They elect one person as chair, one as a north contact and one as a south, all three are set up as a single winner districts. And it’s not free.

    I wouldn’t go by what goes on there at a LP convention.

    “She was an embarrassment of a candidate.”

    Well look at the bright side, since the LP is primarily male dominated, at least you had an appearance of some female participation. Once you get more female participation those deficiencies will be less glaring. That’s why you needn’t make such silly comments.
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  12. paulie

    I said buy generic augmentin online go here how often do you use viagra help with finance assignment https://heystamford.com/writing/cs-homework-help/8/ flagyl tablets dissertation ma bouche sera la bouche des malheurs case study alternatives http://www.cresthavenacademy.org/chapter/examples-of-well-written-introductions/26/ research proposal design https://rainierfruit.com/viagra-over-the-counter-mexico/ beta calculation homework help tutorial academic essay writing services uk us economy essay creative writing minor northwestern vardenafil levitra online buy viagra today research paper builder writing service certificate a brief history of the plo new world essay l filmbay xi24iv n html watch best essay writers uk get link click go viagra scams online viagra by mail ingredienst in viagra https://caberfaepeaks.com/school/approved-help-homework-online/27/ follow site lasix no prescription overnight follow site help. Elections are more complicated than final vote totals. They have to do with a lot of campaign related intangibles, including momentum, enthusiasm, campaign spending, people talking to each other, polling, debates, etc, etc.

    Pamela Brown absolutely did contribute to Maldonado losing. Now, if only he could take the Prop 14 abomination with him…

    Here’s hoping the courts throw it out.

  13. Ted Brown

    Both Pamela Brown and Richard Bronstein (candidate for Insurance Commissioner) benefitted from Republican anger at their own candidates, in my opinion. Abel Maldonado and Mike Villines were two of the handful of Republicans that gave Sacramento Democrats enough votes to pass the budget in 2009. That being said, I think the reason our candidates got those extra votes instead of AIP were that we had obviously qualified, articulate candidates. That’s the sad thing about not having enough resources to even better promote our great candidates.

  14. Single Winner District = Neanderthal Attractor

    To expound on my previous post Ted…we have team players, if you look at the votes cast in 2010 for the “Coalition of Seven”.

    I contacted (or attempted to contact) all 28 of the people of third parties (before and after the primary) and of those responding, one P&F candidate voted and three AIPs in the “Tie Breaker Election #3”.

    Do you think anyone else has an interest getting people to cooperate through voting?

    The USA Parliament, Inc. has the tool for working as an all party team in place, all we need is for voting on decisions to occur. At current pace, Battle of the Bulge is about 150,000 years in the future. If you can help, I’d appreciate it, 2500 “soldiers” will die today, the first day (June 6th, 1944).

    To perpetuate the current system of plurality voting and single winner districts will simply extend the our date of the Allied Central Command’s proportionalists’ victory further into the distant future.

  15. Single Winner District = Neanderthal Attractor

    tiradefaction…well when you decide to work as a team, votes cast as proof, please do give me a ring.

    The members of the USA Parliament, Inc. have been fighting in France since about 2 am, it’s only about 4 am in D-Day time. We welcome your name (or anonymous) anytime. Many new positions are opening up all the time…
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  16. JT

    Paulie: “Pamela Brown absolutely did contribute to Maldonado losing. Now, if only he could take the Prop 14 abomination with him…”

    How did she? That’s an honest question, not an implication that you’re wrong here. I don’t know much about it.

    As I posted before (and you agreed), it’s bad marketing to just attribute Republican losses to Libertarian candidates, as it reinforces that idea that we’re right-wing and draw far more votes from Republicans than from Democrats, alternative-party, and independent voters. But if you have evidence that Brown drew a lot more Republican votes, then that’s what it really is.

  17. JT

    Actually, you didn’t totally attribute the Republican loss to the Libertarian candidate. But how did she help him lose the election?

  18. paulie

    In this case, I think it’s a reasonable supposition, since she got a much higher percentage of the vote than other LP statewide candidates this year and past LP candidates for the same office.

    In general, it’s true that the LP does not just draw more votes from Republicans. For example, from
    http://www.lp.org/campaign-resources

    See

    http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/nc-poll-8-of-liberals-6-of-moderates-4-of-conservatives-support-libertarian-beitler

    http://www.lpo.org/news/press-releases/233-libertarian-voters-come-from-democratic-and-republican-parties-nearly-equally.html

  19. paulie

    As previously mentioned, many people who usually tend to vote Republican were unhappy with the Abominable Abel Maldonado for his budget compromise. The presence of other candidates in the race besides him and Newsom gave those people someone to vote for if they could not stomach voting for Newsom.

    If this was reflected in polls, debates, etc., it is quite likely that it took momentum away from the Maldonado campaign and caused some potential donors to target other races, among other things.

    50.2% is not that far above 50% – it’s certainly likely that the presence of candidates in the race who hurt one of the main contenders created enough momentum swing to push the other over the top.

  20. Single Winner District = Neanderthal Attractor

    MSP Pamela Brown [Libertarian] did not debate Maldanado, or anyone during the campaign, as far as I know as a voter in California.

    In fact, when I was emailing Pamela extensively about the “Coalition of Seven”, and how she could work together as a team, her response early in the campaign was that she’d meet the others in the debate, that she wasn’t interested in a free parliamentary coalition.

    I correctly informed her that there would be no debate. Debates are divisive and unconstructive, and that a tool for working together was smarter than a debate.

    These things need to be corrected, as decisions by a group are much more effective than individuals acting alone. It can be done, when you have people who want that done.

    She is a good candidate and a good person, but one person can’t easily approach the bunker and expect to have success as easily as a coordinated team effort. She tried, but she couldn’t do it.

    In sum, there was no debate for the seven offices up for election for all parties, other than the Free and Equal debate. And that was for Governor candidates only.

    There was 42 state candidates for partisan office who didn’t meet in a debate or otherwise meet in a social, other than the free and equal party, and the D vs R debates for Gov. None that I am aware.

    And that’s a sad note for all those involved, and all the issues facing California as a state.

    You’re being naive to think there was any influence on the voter by any sort of information other than the pluralists way; that this was a choice between the D and the R.
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  21. JT

    Paulie: “As previously mentioned, many people who usually tend to vote Republican were unhappy with the Abominable Abel Maldonado for his budget compromise. The presence of other candidates in the race besides him and Newsom gave those people someone to vote for if they could not stomach voting for Newsom.”

    Okay. But I don’t understand how people being very angry with Maldonado means Brown was partly responsible for his loss. If a lot of his usual voters are very angry at the Republican candidate for something and determined not to vote for him anyway, then couldn’t you say it’s that candidate who caused those usual voters to not vote for him? Does Brown’s mere presence on the ballot mean she in particular was a casual factor in Maldonado losing, or could those votes–assuming they mostly came from typically Republican voters–have just transferred to other candidates or to nobody?

  22. paulie

    @30 Well, I don’t think many of them would have voted for Newsom. Although perhaps some did. Some I’m sure could have voted for nobody in that race, and some I’m sure actually did, but some people feel a need to vote in every race, and wouldn’t have voted for Newsom.

    @29 Even when there are no debates among candidates, there are debates among the people who vote for them.

  23. tiradefaction

    @24

    Apparently Tobin is organizing for an referendum on PR in 2012, in California. It might be the first of it’s kind.

  24. Single Winner District = Neanderthal Attractor

    @23

    My team in 2011;
    http://www.usparliament.org/ss11-6.htm

    The 8th USA Parliament, Inc., looks forward to working with the Free and Equal Party, and all parties, Independents, voters and non voters.

    The USA Parliament, Inc. is on Normandy Beach in France and we are being decimated, so every live individual is a valued asset, and every vote counts.

    It’s barely 6:30 am, I can’t tell you what time exactly because the calculations take time, and are based on the numbers participating. At current pace, Battle of the Bulge is 150,000 years in the future.

    We are in confusion and disarray. The bodies are piling higher and higher, and many are dead in the water.

    Fifteen years in real life for The USA Parliament, Inc. is like the first two hours on Normandy Beach. So it’s barely light, and very few have landed.

    Perhaps Christina Tobin [Independent] will coordinate and approach the two-party bunker herself if/when she gets ashore? She is not expected to be here.

    Perhaps she will work with coordinated units in elected teams of consecutively ranked names of 100, each with elected bunker specialists, and plenty of consecutively ranked bunker specialists as back-ups. All based on actual votes cast and kept as proof since day one, 8/1/1995.

    If seeing her perform in the past is any indicator, our success can be easily assessed.

    And we are all for PR.
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  25. tiradefaction

    @33

    So, do the people you named there actually know they’re part of this fantasy team? Or are you using their names without their permission?

  26. paulie

    So, do the people you named there actually know they’re part of this fantasy team? Or are you using their names without their permission?

    He claims that if someone takes the trouble to ask him to stop using their name he stops using it. I haven’t attempted to verify this.

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