Patroon at Conservative Heritage Times: I’m here for the party, Country Party that is

Patroon at Conservative Heritage Times:

There was interesting story which popped up over at IPR (Independent Political Report) last week about a former Libertarian Party committeeman in Wyoming who has broken away from the national LP and, with a few like minded fellows, started his own party which is known simply as the Country Party.

It will be interesting to see if this new party works for this reason: Continued weakness on the part of the Democrats in states with large white middle and working class and a small base of post-graduate, college educated voters. In other words, states like Wyoming simply don’t have a strong base for a vibrant Democratic Party other than as a protest vehicle every so often against Republican arrogance. So to avoid Wyoming from becoming another, say Tunisia or Egypt, for example, a new party is needed which breaks from the unpopular labels of current non-major parties, can tap into a large pool of disaffected independent or soft-partisan voters with a few basic principals all can support. If it works, you could see this spread to other “red” states where the Democrats are virtually non-existent.

Gretchen Wilson – I’m here for the party:

Note from Paulie: Party organizer Don Wills made clear in IPR comments that “Country Party” is a provisional name and is subject to change.

27 thoughts on “Patroon at Conservative Heritage Times: I’m here for the party, Country Party that is

  1. Blanco

    Call it White Party (for white people).

    Or the Red White and Blue Party…Red Necks, White Skins and Blue Collar!

  2. Country Steamer

    I don’t think “white party for white people” is what they have in mind, but Red White and Blue Party does have a ring to it, I must admit.

  3. Conservative Tea Party Patriot

    Toby Keith – Courtesy of the Red White and Blue

    American Girls and American Guys
    We’ll always stand up and salute
    We’ll always recognize
    When we see Ole Glory Flying
    There’s a lot of men dead
    So we can sleep in peace at night
    When we lay down our head

    My daddy served in the army
    Where he lost his right eye
    But he flew a flag out in our yard
    Till the day that he died
    He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me
    To grow up and live happy
    In the land of the free.

    Now this nation that I love
    Has fallen under attack
    A mighty sucker punch came flying in
    From somewhere in the back
    Soon as we could see clearly
    Through our big black eye
    Man, we lit up your world
    Like the 4th of July

    Hey Uncle Sam
    Put your name at the top of his list
    And the Statue of Liberty
    Started shaking her fist
    And the eagle will fly
    And there’s gonna be hell
    When you hear Mother Freedom
    Start ringing her bell
    And itll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you
    Ahhh Brought to you Courtesy of the Red White and Blue

    Ohhh Justice will be served
    And the battle will rage
    This big dog will fight
    When you rattle his cage
    And you’ll be sorry that you messed with
    The U.S. of A.
    ‘Cause we’ll put a boot in your ass
    It’s the American way

    Hey Uncle Sam
    Put your name at the top of his list
    And the Statue of Liberty
    Started shaking her fist
    And the eagle will fly
    And there’s gonna be hell
    When you hear Mother Freedom
    Start ringing her bell
    And itll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you
    Brought to you Courtesy of the Red White and Blue

    Uhhh Ohhh
    Of the Red, White and Blue
    Ohhh Ohh Oh
    Of My Red, White and Blue

  4. Country Steamer

    That song is a definite certified country steamer. See urbandictionary.com for definition.

  5. Country Steamer

    I mean Toby Keith @ 3, not Gretchen Wilson in the post. Gretchen Wilson is fine and she can give me a country blumpkin any time she feels like it.

  6. paulie Post author

    Reprise of my comments from the previous post, for those who missed them:

    I thought the original typo – County Party – would have been an interesting concept.

    I’ve advocated the LP do something similar in Alabama (or another state) for years.

    Focus on small, rural and small to medium town, one-party dominated counties. Build strong county organizations that challenge multiple local and countywide offices, including Sheriff. Run on a platform of reducing state and federal interference in local affairs and reducing local government interference in the lives of individuals and families.

    County level is a good level to focus on. People generally know what county they live in, unlike gerrymandered legislative districts, which makes getting valid ballot access signatures easier.

    Sheriffs have certain rarely-used powers which can (at least in theory, and on rare occasion in fact) stymie federal activities within a county. In essence, federal operations have to have an invitation from local law enforcement, which in the vast majority of places is a routine formality, but doesn’t necessarily have to be.

    Local media is very easy to get in places like that. The reporters have nothing to cover most of the time.

    Because one party has a lopsided majority, splitting the vote is less of an issue.

    Actually winning the office would not mean the candidates would have to move to DC or commute to a state capitol (which in many places can be a very long drive).

    Alt parties are typically organized from the top down, with people running for federal and state office first and for local office only from time to time here and there. They charter state affiliates before they charter county affiliates.

    It may be interesting to see someone try it the other way around – build from the precinct level up until you are a strong presence in a county, then add other counties in the same fashion until you are a presence, starting from low-population counties in low-population states.

    Actually, Wyoming would be ideal for this approach. It’s the lowest population state in the US and among the most lopsidedly Republican.

    It’s also an initiative state, although initiatives are very difficult to get on the ballot there. The party organizing efforts could go hand in hand with issue coalition(s) for initiative(s).

    I think Libertarians or Constitutionalists could actually do it. Most people don’t know, or don’t know much, about those parties, and even the ones who have an opinion could change it when they meet a few people (especially people they already know) in those parties that don’t fit their preconceived mold.

    But to the extent that the LP and Const. Party have already made an impression, the Country Party could do the same thing more easily in some ways.

    The Progressive Party, ironically, is the best example of this, and while they do not have organization outside of Vermont, they do have a name that would lend itself to one.

    From what I have read about how the Costa Rican Libertarian Party organized:

    They started by asking their friends and neighbors over to their homes to introduce the libertarian ideology and find a few like minded people to help them build further.

    Then those people would invite other friends of their own, and so forth.

    It spread sort of like a bottom up social network, rather than from the top down like a typical US ideological party.

    They then became the most electorally successful Libertarian party in the world.

  7. FYI! [More Don Lake]

    On the other coast:

    25 arrested at California conservative meeting

    – 7 minutes ago

    LA QUINTA, Calif. – Authorities in California say 25 protesters have been arrested for trespassing outside a strategy session of conservative political donors at a Palm Springs-area resort.

    Riverside County Deputy Melissa Nieburger (NEE’-bur-gur) said Sunday that the protesters were being booked at Indio Jail and released.

    Hundreds of people participated in the mostly peaceful demonstration that had been arranged with authorities, but some protesters crossed the street to the Rancho Las Palmas Resort.

    Deputies in riot gear arrested them without incident when they refused to leave the area.

    Sunday was the second day of the four-day conclave. It was organized by [Billionaire] brothers David and Charles Koch, who have funded the fight against global warming laws and have financial ties to tea party groups.

  8. Red Phillips

    “Call it White Party (for white people).

    Or the Red White and Blue Party…Red Necks, White Skins and Blue Collar!”

    Spoken like a true Blue America elitist. We wouldn’t want any of those white people, blue collar workers, or red necks messing up the party because they are icky. They are inherently malevolent and should just shut up and let ethnic interests groups and urban elitist guilt ridden self-loathing whites lead then because they are inherently virtuous and wise.

    Blanco, turn on some country music, read Codevilla’s “The Ruling Class,” and get over yourself.

    For the record, I like the idea of a party that self-consciously attempts to represent the interests of the country class, but I don’t think it is a good idea for them to label themselves the “Country Party” because that terminology has a historical connotation that I don’t think it is proper to try and appropriate for modern purposes.

  9. paulie Post author

    “Call it White Party (for white people).

    Or the Red White and Blue Party…Red Necks, White Skins and Blue Collar!”

    Spoken like a true Blue America elitist.

    I don’t think so. Blanco has commented at IPR a few other times. He’s a white nationalist himself.

  10. Red Phillips

    “I don’t think so. Blanco has commented at IPR a few other times. He’s a white nationalist himself.”

    Oh OK. I misread his comment. He is suggesting that the party actually acknowledge what its coalition actually would be.

  11. Don Wills

    Red Phillips wrote “…I don’t think it is a good idea for them to label themselves the “Country Party” because that terminology has a historical connotation that I don’t think it is proper to try and appropriate for modern purposes.”

    What connotation? Please describe.

    And why is that connotation inappropriate for “modern purposes”?

    And what are “modern purposes” (as opposed to old-fashioned purposes)?

  12. Don Wills

    Actually Taylor Hanes probably fits better with the Constitution Party as both he and the Constitution Party platform are absolute about abortion (ie. they would incarcerate the woman and the doctor for performing an abortions in *all* cases, including rape, incest and situations that are life-threatening for the mother).

    That’s the problem with the Constitution Party and the LP. They are too radical for most voters. The only issue the Country Party is radical about is the Tenth Amendment!

  13. Don Wills

    I didn’t fully explain the position of the Country Party with respect to Taylor Hanes in my last post.

    The Country Party would welcome Taylor Hanes to be a candidate for the Wyoming Country Party nomination for Governor in 2014. The Country Party will welcome pro-life as well as pro-choice candidates as long as they agree that Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional because the regulation and criminalization of homicide (e.g. abortion) is not one of the powers delegated to the federal government by The Constitution.

    In my last post, I assumed that if the Wyoming Constitution Party has ballot access in 2014, then Hanes would prefer the Constitution Party because of his absolutist pro-life position.

  14. Red Phillips

    “What connotation? Please describe.”

    Don, I’m working on a article about this, but briefly the use of the terms and concept of a “Country Party” and a “Court Party” dates back to England. (The Whigs were originally the Country Party in England.) But historically in America these terms have probably been a better way to conceptualize the dominant political factions than left or right. (Who was left and who was right when religious fundamentalist but silverite William Jennings Bryan was running against McKinnley?) We didn’t really start to conceptualize the parties along left and right lines until after WWII or even the 60’s. The country party and the court party were not so much ideological parties as they were a coalition of interests. They also happened to be substantially regional as well. New England and its satellites were the court party and the south and its satellites were the country party.

    So if your Country Party is to be primarily libertarianish, then the Country Party label is not really appropriate historically speaking. While, in my opinion, libertarians are in general part of the country party coalition, they do not define it. Other elements of the country party coalition are economic populists and social conservatives, for example.

  15. Funky Chicken

    Depends on which libertarians. For instance, I would identify Phillies more with the Court Party.

  16. Don Wills

    Red – we do not use the term “libertarian” to describe the Country Party. We are members of the country class who believe in the Constitution, particularly the fact that it was meant to limit the power of the central government and of the ruling class (ie. the court class in your vernacular). You really need to read Codevilla’s essay “America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution” (google it) to see the genesis of choosing the name The Country Party.

  17. FYI! [More Don Lake]

    Unlike the fakey dakey Constitution Party, may be you all will do stuff about the national and states’ Constitution[s] more than gesturing and posing. If you get a ‘Veterans Association’ going, make it more than just a cynical partisan recruitment vehicle.

  18. Red Phillips

    Don, I have read “The Ruling Class.” In fact, I refer to it in comment #9 above. I suspected that had something to do with your choice of a name. I think Codevilla is on to something, but it is as much a visceral thing as it is a clear cut ideology thing. What is the country party’s take on free trade for example? Or foreign policy? Is the country party more Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan or Sarah Palin? (I suspect interventionist Codevilla hopes it is more Palin.) I’m not making the case one way or the other, just pointing out that the country party is a coalition.

    If you want to try and identify your Country Party with constitutionalism then fine, but I just don’t think it is fair to the concept. The country party is more of a meta-category.

  19. Red Phillips

    “I would identify Phillies more with the Court Party.”

    I agree. And I would argue that Root is trying hard to align himself with the country party. Which is one reason he inspires such inordinate passions against him. A lot of the anti-Root fanatics don’t want to be seen or their party seen as country party yahoos. Again, it is as much a visceral thing as it is an ideological thing. It has to do with how people see and identify themselves.

  20. RedPhillips

    I consider you more left than right and interested in increased outreach to the left, but I don’t get the sense that you are viscerally hostile to the right in the same way I do about Phillies. You seem open to all comers who are willing to embrace libertarianism and open to a variety of outreach strategies likely to appeal to left or right.

    Do you agree with my assessment that a lot of Root hate arises not just from his perceived variations from libertarianism but also from his overt attempts to appeal to Red America? I think this would be resisted by some even if Root wasn’t a flawed vehicle and was advocating plumbline libertarianism.

  21. Funky Chicken

    I get the feeling a chunk of it is actually just personality, not even issues. Wayne strikes a lot of introverted people the wrong way because he is a loud, garrulous, in your face, self-promoting extrovert. And there are a lot of introverted people in the LP. Plus, many of them do suffer from “big bacteria in a tiny petri dish/crabs in a bucket” syndromes. His success in getting attention rubs them the wrong way.

    And that’s all before we get into content.

  22. paulie Post author

    I consider you more left than right and interested in increased outreach to the left, but I don’t get the sense that you are viscerally hostile to the right in the same way I do about Phillies. You seem open to all comers who are willing to embrace libertarianism and open to a variety of outreach strategies likely to appeal to left or right.

    I would agree with that. Do you equate the country/court scale to left/right? It seems to me there are some differences.

    Do you agree with my assessment that a lot of Root hate arises not just from his perceived variations from libertarianism but also from his overt attempts to appeal to Red America? I think this would be resisted by some even if Root wasn’t a flawed vehicle and was advocating plumbline libertarianism.

    I think it’s a variety of different things. Some of it is his personality. Some of it is all the “Reagan Libertarian” stuff and foreign policy. When I first met him in 2007, my reaction was basically WTF, but over time I’ve gotten to like him more and more.

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