Wayne Root: The Perfect President: “Herman Paul”

By Wayne Allyn Root:

http://www.newsmax.com/WayneAllynRoot/President-Paul-Cain-candidate/2011/10/24/id/415492

The mainstream media seems to love the traditional status quo robots (Bush, Clinton, Gore, Bush Jr., Obama, Romney) who got us into this economic crisis of epic proportions — while despising and disregarding non-traditional candidates such as Ron Paul and Herman Cain.

 They make sure that only a Mitt Romney or Barack Obama with a certain look (well-groomed, attractive, nice suits, good hair), certain education (always Ivy League), and certain views (support the Fed, support corporate welfare, won’t cut spending too much, won’t rock the boat) are portrayed as “popular mainstream candidates.”

 The candidates who don’t fit this traditional role are portrayed as crazy, kooky, and extreme with “no chance of winning.” 

Yet, those status quo elitists with their Ivy League degrees and orthodox views led us right into this Great Depression II. Those “traditional” views about everything — taxes, spending, entitlements, Social Security, bailouts for billionaire bankers, the Fed, wars — led to the insolvency and bankruptcy of this great country.

 Why would we celebrate and elevate the very same traditional thinkers who brought us to this point of disaster?

 Even more damning, these same beliefs (taught at every Ivy League economics department) have led us down the very same path as Europe, which is right now at the edge of Armageddon.

 Whether the masses of U.S. voters realize it or not, Europe’s very survival is at stake over the coming days — all because of too much debt, spending, entitlements, taxes, free healthcare, and government employees with outrageous pensions.

Look back at the past few years. We have lurched from a bank debt crisis to a corporate debt crisis to now a much worse crisis — a sovereign debt crisis with entire European countries on the edge of implosion .

 When banks and big corporations go under, countries save them. But who will save the countries? The world economy is at death’s door. And, there is no cavalry to ride to the rescue.

 Look at the leaders of each insolvent country now in crisis. They are the same person, cut from the same cloth. This “group think” of Ivy League spoiled brats, almost all born with silver spoons in their mouths, is at the root of all that ails America and the world.

 World leaders lack common sense or blue-collar roots. Few have ever run a business. Even fewer are self-made. These types have destroyed the world economy. It is time to change our thinking . . . and change our leaders.

 It is time to merge anti-heroes like Ron Paul and Herman Cain to create the perfect president. No traditional thinking found here. This newly merged “Herman Paul” is the kind of non-traditional, non-status quo president we desperately need.

Ron Paul was not just the first, he was the only politician to predict the debt bubble, housing crash, banking crisis, student loan crisis, and economic tsunami we are now experiencing.

 He predicted the Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie Mae, and Freddy Mac would destroy the housing market. He predicted reckless government spending would drown the nation in debt. He predicted the high cost of college, driven by student loans, would enslave college graduates. He railed about “crony capitalism.” He predicted the Fed would keep printing until the value of the dollar was destroyed. He was right about everything.

 You’d think the media would celebrate Ron Paul as a hero, hailing him for his courage. But instead he is despised for making the Ivy League elite look foolish, ignorant, and reckless. He embarrassed the smartest guys in the room, showing them to be the dumbest guys in the room. They will never forgive him for it.

So, the media elite do the bidding of their former Ivy League classmates, painting the guy who was right about everything as “dangerous” and “extreme.” So the very guy whose brilliant insights are most needed right now is slandered and ignored.

 Then there’s Herman Cain. No spoiled-brat privileged background here. He’s the son of a maid and chauffeur who became CEO of Godfather Pizza — a self-made success. Those are the perfect qualifications for a president.

 But the D.C. insiders, big business, and media elite hate Herman. Why? Because he is not a member of their snobby little club. He climbed the corporate ladder based solely on talent and relentless spirit. He makes the elite feel guilty and insecure.

 So, they belittle the “simplicity” of Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan. They forget to tell you that Hong Kong has the best economy in the world with booming revenues and almost no unemployment — all based on the simplicity of a 16 percent flat tax, plus zero capital gains taxes.

 Likewise they forget to tell you that the simplicity of Ronald Reagan’s tax plan to cut income taxes from 70 percent to 28 percent turned the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression into the greatest economic boom in world history.

 Simplicity and common sense are exactly what we need right now in a president. We need the kind of blue-collar common sense that comes from a country baby doctor Ron Paul and a son of a maid turned CEO Herman Cain.

 We need to run away from elitists with traditional ideas and orthodox thinking who have destroyed the U.S. economy.

 America desperately needs a President like “Herman Paul.”

http://www.newsmax.com/WayneAllynRoot/President-Paul-Cain-candidate/2011/10/24/id/415492

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52 thoughts on “Wayne Root: The Perfect President: “Herman Paul”

  1. Humongous Fungus

    I don’t like a lot of things about Herman Cain.

    I don’t like his ties with and defense of the Federal Reserve, his immigrant bashing (electrified fence? seriously?), his drug warring, his warmongering, or his new tax (doesn’t matter if it starts at a low rate, rates can rise later).

    However, the things Root says about Cain are good qualities, the fact that he has blue collar roots for instance. Root is absolutely 100% correct about the disdainful elitists looking down their noses at anyone who is not from their kind of background and what a mess they have made in the world as leaders.

    And he’s right about Ron Paul as well.

    Here’s a part I really like:

    Those “traditional” views about everything — taxes, spending, entitlements, Social Security, bailouts for billionaire bankers, the Fed, wars — led to the insolvency and bankruptcy of this great country.

    Why would we celebrate and elevate the very same traditional thinkers who brought us to this point of disaster?

    Here’s another:

    Look back at the past few years. We have lurched from a bank debt crisis to a corporate debt crisis to now a much worse crisis — a sovereign debt crisis with entire European countries on the edge of implosion .

    When banks and big corporations go under, countries save them. But who will save the countries? The world economy is at death’s door. And, there is no cavalry to ride to the rescue.

    I’ve been saying those things for a long time.

    Since many of the readers of this piece will be Cain fans at sites like Newsmax, getting them to think along those lines is good.

    I hope Root agrees that Paul is a much better candidate than Cain, and I am cautiously optimistic that he does agree with me on that.

  2. Steven R Linnabary

    I agree with HF @ 3 above. There is really NOTHING about him that I like, and for the same reasons (s)he lists.

    HOWEVER, Cain might make a good VP for someone like Paul. But only if he is allowed to do what he does best.

    After listening to Cain’s speech’s, it is clear that he has honed his skills on the “motivational” lecture circuit. He has the cadence of a good preacher. This might be good for the country, but only if he sticks to what he does best.

    Sadly, Cain is wrong on just about everything so it would be dangerous to have him a heartbeat away from the Presidency with an octogenarian President.

    PEACE

  3. George Phillies

    ” He predicted the Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie Mae, and Freddy Mac would destroy the housing market. He predicted reckless government spending would drown the nation in debt. He predicted the high cost of college, driven by student loans, would enslave college graduates. He railed about “crony capitalism.” He predicted the Fed would keep printing until the value of the dollar was destroyed. He was right about everything.”

    Readers will note that many of these claims are untrue, starting with the right-wing rants against the CRA. Value of the dollar was destroyed…in fact Congress changed the law so that Social Security checks would not change in value by shrinking when the cost of living fell.

  4. wolfefan

    I’m not sure what’s wrong with having an Ivy-league background. Wayne is happy to claim his and is proud that his daughter will have one. As far as humble circumstances go, I’d say Obama’s were as humble as Root’s or Cain’s, and far less humble than Mr. Root’s children. Not a criticism necessarily – it just strikes me as odd to mock people who did essentially the same as he and his family.

  5. Alan Pyeatt

    I strongly encourage Wayne to spend some time on http://www.mises.org. The Austrian school economic ideas that shape Dr. Paul’s philosophy are hardly compatible with Herman Cain’s Fed-friendly views. Here’s an example: http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/oct/25/ron-paul/paul-herman-cain-called-federal-reserve-critics-ig/.

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that Wayne overlooks Cain’s anti-libertarian views that Humongous Fungus listed @3. Despite the criticisms of the flat tax and Cain’s 9/9/9 plan, and the fact that it actually contains a hidden 9% increase in payroll taxes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clWIh-d5Pkw), it might be worthwhile just to eliminate wasting resources on tax accountants and tax attorneys. But that hardly makes him a libertarian. Dr. Paul, OTOH, has a long record of support for genuinely libertarian principles, and has brought several libertarian ideas (e.g., End the Fed) from obscurity into the national discussion.

    Also, Cain’s plan to make unemployment recipients take job training as a condition of their benefits really doesn’t make sense. First of all, unemployment is supposed to be a form of insurance, so conditioning it with job training wouldn’t make sense from the start. O.k., we all know it’s really NOT insurance. But how does it help anybody to be trained for a job at (presumably) a higher level, when there are already plenty of unemployed and underemployed people at that job level already? For example, even if an electrician has the capacity to become an electrical engineer or project manager, how is he or she supposed to compete with the unemployed and underemployed engineers and project managers who already have experience in those areas? I guess it sounds good in the debates, but when you think about it, it’s hard to see how such an idea can do anything but waste resources and tax money. In fact, if you understand Austrian Business Cycle Theory, you realize that this plan would simply shift resources into a higher order of production, thereby making the malinvestment that created the recession in the first place, EVEN WORSE! But, that’s the difference between Austrian school theory and the neo-classical economics of a former Federal Reserve Board member.

    And if I can be allowed to pick a nit, the idea of Dr. Paul being a country doctor is very romantic, but not really accurate. Lake Jackson, Texas is actually part of a conglomeration of small cities and communities south of Houston called “Brazosport,” whose economy centers around the petrochemicals industry. It does have some rural areas, but hardly qualifies as being in the “country.”

    I’m glad Herman Cain’s in the race, because he makes it far more entertaining. But there’s no way his ideas can be fused with Dr. Paul’s, and even if they could, I wouldn’t be able to support them. No, I’m still banking on a Paul/Johnson ticket, at least.

  6. Wayne Root

    @6

    Wolfy you’re not understanding…so I’ll enlighten you.

    Of course I’m proud of my Ivy League degree. In a country and a system geared to prove your intelligence and success through tests, grades and SAT’s…getting into any Ivy League university is a sign of your success, and your being among the best and brightest in this country at the age of 18.

    It is a great accomplishment and honor.

    I always aim for the best. In England “the best” is defined as Oxford and Cambridge. In America it is Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, Columbia.

    I taught my children the same thing. Aim for the top, aim to be the best, and if tests and SAT’s are the measuring sticks society values, be sure you are #1 at whatever society values as the measuring stick.

    Pretty simple.

    It doesn’t matter what I think. Society says if you have a sheepskin from Harvard, you are the best and brightest. It opens every door to the best jobs and careers in the world. Therefore you should want it and aim for it.

    My daughter listened, worked harder than any teenager I’ve ever seen or heard of, and achieved. The result was she was accepted at Harvard, Stanford, Duke, Columbia, Penn, Brown , Chicago, Berkeley, Virginia and every other school she applied to. And she rejected Yale’s offer to fence for their team.

    Once at Harvard, she thrived and has gotten straight A’s. Her father is very proud of her success.

    But separate from all that is what is taught about politics and economics at Ivy League universities…and the background of privilege and guilt of most of the students.

    That I’m not a fan of.

    I entered Columbia as a fiscal conservative who believes in low taxes and smaller government…and I left with that same outlook on business and life. I did not the marxist professors and students brainwash me, or make me feel guilty for working hard and achieving success.

    But that Ivy League degree has different results for different professions. When looking for a doctor, I value a Harvard or Columbia degree as a sign of their intelligence and competence. And it has never failed me.

    When looking for a good lawyer or accountant, I look for a Ivy League degree. It has never failed me.

    But when looking for a good politician and leader of America, I run away from Ivy League liberals. They will wreck this economy faster than any other group. Their group think always seems to support big government, big spending, and big taxes to solve every problem.

    My issue is that 99% of these graduates are cut from the same mold- liberal spoiled brats and guilty for their perfect lives. And they are all brainwashed by liberal professors who teach them to hate capitalism, and support high taxes, big entitlements, and big government.

    Many in this world seem to believe life is black and white. I don’t. I see shades of gray everywhere.

    Nothing is all good…or all bad.

    No philosophy, No political party. No individual.

    There are things to like and dislike about Hillary Clinton, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Herman Cain and Ron Paul.

    None of them reflect my views 100%.

    Same story with Ivy League degrees. There is good and bad.

    Wayne

  7. Contradiction?

    Root: “My issue is that 99% of these graduates are cut from the same mold- liberal spoiled brats…”

    Yet as you admit, although they be liberal, they are… “among the best and brightest in this country at the age of 18.”

    How do you explain “the best and brightest” being so wrong?

  8. Eric Sundwall

    I never met a Harvard graduate that could change a tire. My measure is always how competent they would be if the world suddenly got all Gilligan’s Isle. Give me a country boy or girl any day of the week over the effete posturing of Ivy envy.

  9. Robert Capozzi

    8 p, right up there with Mike Gravel’s bizarro pond ad. The slo-mo of Cain at the end lets us in on a huge joke…I think.

    Cain often says he’ll bring the “experts” in to figure out what to do. This is Exhibit A of his experts? Really?

  10. Melty

    @8 Paulie,
    Is that commercial for real though? There’s no “I’m Herman Cain and I approve this message” on it.

  11. Robert Capozzi

    melty, the ad’s real enough. I saw Block on the news this AM. The theory was “Let Block be Block.”

    Colbert and Letterman were all over this one.

  12. paulie

    The ad is real, I first saw it on facebook and blogs but then I saw it on a bunch of TV shows being discussed while channel surfing. I guess it did get attention, in a massive car pileup sort of way. Originally it was an internet ad, not a TV ad, so no disclaimer, but now they are getting free TV airtime for it.

    As for Cain’s experts…one of the TV shows was claiming that the guy that came up with the 999 plan, who Cain originally said is an economist, is actually a bank teller. I haven’t fact checked that though.

    How do you explain “the best and brightest” being so wrong?

    Well for starters they are not all the best and the brightest, many of them are just the richest and/or best connected.

    For another, they get inculcated with what their teachers and professors tell them, which is partially based on self-interest (government grants, etc) and partially on liberal guilt over class privilege. Some of it is also based on the fact that the opposition to the left lines up with people who want to impose conservative morality through government force, get the US involved in foreign wars, etc.

    But the liberals/progressives among the elite aren’t solely to blame – the Bushes and Romneys of the world are just as at fault for where we find ourselves now.

  13. Jill Pyeatt

    “How do you explain “the best and brightest” being so wrong?”

    My experience in working with the public over the past twenty-five years is that intelligence doesn’t seem to have a correlation, necessarily, with business sense. Education doesn’t, either. Some people just understand turning a profit, and others don’t. I have a highly intelligent (IQ-wise) sister who honestly doesn’t understand checking accounts. She calls the bank in the AM to see how much money is in her account, and spends accordingly (well, actually, I think by now most banks have closed her accounts.) I don’t get how people don’t understand basic business, but many people just don’t.
    Wayne Root clearly does, but was it genetics? Observing how hard his folks worked? Maybe just one of life’s mysteries.

  14. Tom Blanton

    Cain’s bad 9-9-9 tax plan is actually a transitional move to the even worse Fair Tax.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/17/news/economy/cain_999_plan/

    But, the best tax would be no tax.

    Realizing there are many who are unable to stop clinging to government, loving it even more than their own children, perhaps a compromise is in order – a truly voluntary system of contributions made to the government in whatever amount a person chooses.

    No amount would be too small and no amount would be too large. Donors could specify which government agencies or departments they wished to donate to and what percentage of the donation they would receive.

    I think Cain should consider giving up politics and get a job delivering pizzas to tea party events.

  15. Tom Blanton

    They make sure that only a Mitt Romney or Barack Obama with a certain look (well-groomed, attractive, nice suits, good hair), certain education (always Ivy League), and certain views (support the Fed, support corporate welfare, won’t cut spending too much, won’t rock the boat) are portrayed as “popular mainstream candidates.”

    I thought this is what Wayne Root was going for as it pretty much describes him to a tea, except for his support for auditing the Fed “with the aim of eliminating” it.

  16. LibertarianGirl

    Jill , LOL , I am 1 of those people . Im pretty intelligent but balance my accounts by calling and checking. In fact , im such a terrible capitalist , I had trouble even selling weed because i wanted to hook everyone up and that aint good for profit…

  17. Tom Blanton

    I like Blanton’s views, but in the interest of good spelling, he meant “tee” not “tea”

    Actually, that was an intentional misspelling. A play on words as a reference to Root’s connection to the Tea Party.

    I suppose Root might be comfortable associating with Romney’s Tee Party in that Root may secretly wish to be a country club Republican.

  18. Mike Seebeck

    Alan @7:

    “Also, Cain’s plan to make unemployment recipients take job training as a condition of their benefits really doesn’t make sense. First of all, unemployment is supposed to be a form of insurance, so conditioning it with job training wouldn’t make sense from the start.”

    Exactly. In my recent unemployment stint, job training wouldn’t have helped my meager unemployment benefits pay my mortgage or buy my groceries, and it would have taken away from my time job hunting!

    Wayne @9: “getting into any Ivy League university is a sign of your success”

    Nope. It means you spent a lot of money on ivy-covered professors in ivy-covered halls, to quote the late Tom Lehrer.

    Remember that an Ivy League “education” is no sign of actually being smart. Exhibits A, B, and C are George W Bush, Barack Obama, and Wayne Root.

    OTOH, one of the smartest people I know served 20 years as USAF enlisted out of high school, retired, and is now homesteading his family, and was a titan in the LP long before Root ever heard of it.

    Me, I have done just fine without that Ivy League stuff, and I never tried for Ivy League–too humid for my health and too expensive for my wallet. Instead I worked full-time my way through college for TWO degrees in four years at the only Catholic college in America to have a Nobel laureate, and that ain’t Notre Dame, either. And I did it on wages, academic scholarships, and owning a small business along the way. Success is not dependent upon college label.

    BTW, I sold that business for my original investment, making all of my profit be pure profit. Met my wife along the way, too.

    Success is what one makes of it, not what label has, unless one is simply a shallow fool.

  19. Mike Seebeck

    Michael @27: You are correct. Tom Lehrer is still alive at age 83. I was mistakenly thinking of Alan Sherman, and got them mixed up. My mistake.

  20. Steven R Linnabary

    Also, Cain’s plan to make unemployment recipients take job training as a condition of their benefits really doesn’t make sense….

    I have a feeling that this scheme isn’t meant to be taken seriously, much as his 9/9/9 plan is merely an advertising gimmick or “hook”.

    Cain probably won’t be in the race much longer. He’ll drop out and endorse the anointed one fairly early. But now he can charge more on the motivational lecture circuit.

    PEACE

  21. Thomas L. Knapp

    SRL@30,

    “Cain probably won’t be in the race much longer. He’ll drop out and endorse the anointed one fairly early. But now he can charge more on the motivational lecture circuit.”

    Actually, things seem to have changed on that front in the last few years.

    In the old days, you were a contender, dropped out when the writing showed up on the wall, and then got a talk show, wrote a book, traveled around giving speeches.

    These days you hang on as long as possible before reluctantly doing those things, and then add a “why’s everybody always picking on me?” theme and franchise of all of your relatives out to the 18th degree of consaguinity to reality TV gigs.

  22. George Phillies

    Anti-immigrant
    anti-abortion.
    anti-14th amendment.

    On the bright side, Cain wants to help an endangered species. He wants to fill the ditch between his fences with alligators.

    Hungry alligators. Cute baby alligators. But….alligators.

    If this is an *ideal* President, what would be a *bad* President?

  23. Jill Pyeatt

    Ron Paul certainly has some flaws, but I wouldn’t put Herman Cain in his category at all. Dr. Paul has a proven track record as a Congressman, plus a well thought out and well-explained economic plan, where Mr Cain only has a background as a businessman (which is no where near the same as working with other legislators), plus the 9-9-9 plan is just a catchy phrase Herman came up with. In the last debate , he seemed shocked that questions were asked about his plan, and was unwilling to admit that his sales tax added to the sales tax in some states would total 18 % sales tax. Trying to explain the questions away by saying they were “apples and oranges” was ridiculous, and indicated to me he simply didn’t have good answers. I’m surprised Wayne even considered putting those two men together in a manner that might indicate they’re equal. They aren’t by a long shot.

  24. Jill Pyeatt

    GP @ 33: The alligators in a ditch to control the borders is among the most truly disgusting things I read on the internet and on political blogs. I find it so distasteful that people joke about other people being eaten by alligators, that I pretty much write
    the joker off as someone I care to talk to and share conversation with. Illegal immigration is a complicated issue, but to joke about a horrible death for them is despicable. Call me crazy, but I value human life–ALL human life.

  25. Mullet Over

    Jill is correct.

    Herman Cain’s ideas are a measure of how far public discourse in this country has fallen.

  26. Herman Cain (Not Able) Announces 6-6-6 plan

    Did this article get taken down at LP.org blog?

    I thought I remembered seeing it there, but it’s not there now.

    Am I remembering wrong?

  27. George Phillies

    @35 Perhaps my sarcasm was inadequate.

    “Cain launches appeal for Green Vote”

    @34 I have read chunks of his newsletter, and have the whole thing.

    I would put Paul below Cain.

  28. Andy

    George Phillies said: “@34 I have read chunks of his newsletter, and have the whole thing.

    I would put Paul below Cain.”

    This is a completely irrational and absurd statement.

  29. Robert Capozzi

    39 a, actually, while I don’t agree with GP, I find that opinion neither irrational or absurd. If the material in the newsletters represented RP’s beliefs, I might put such a hater like that as a lesser preference for president than Cain.

    I’ve spent some time with RP and know several of his staffers. I’m of the view that he’s not the author of the hate; I do think he has a blind spot in that he associates with haters who are also L.

  30. Mark Axinn

    Eric at 11–I thought you just give the car back to Hertz.

    Wayne at 9–Tell Dakota I’m still disappointed she went to a lesser Ivy. Is that place in Massachusetts even accredited?

  31. Andy

    “39 a, actually, while I don’t agree with GP, I find that opinion neither irrational or absurd. If the material in the newsletters represented RP’s beliefs, I might put such a hater like that as a lesser preference for president than Cain.”

    Yes it is a completely ridiculous statement, especially coming from anyone who calls themselves a libertarian.

    I think that the “newsletter” scandal is much ado about nothing. It is nothing more than a bunch of oversensitive “politically correct” pansies whining about nothing. Anyone who thinks this is a big deal is being an irrational crybaby in my opinion.

    Being a libertarian does not really have anything to do with being “politically correct.” Being a libertarian is about not initiating force and fraud. One could be a bigoted racist and still be a libertarian if they do not initiate force and fraud.

    I don’t believe that Ron Paul wrote the passages in question. I’ve been following the man for 15 years and the writing style did not sound like his. Does Ron Paul know who wrote the offending comments? Perhaps he does, but he just doesn’t want to say who it is, or maybe he doesn’t. Either way, somebody mouthing off in a newsletter 15-20 plus years ago has got nothing to do with any relevant issue today. This issue was dug up and is being waved around by those who are trying to smear Ron Paul because they don’t like the fact that he’s actually being effective in promoting the cause of liberty. This is nothing more than a distraction.

    I started a news group and I’ve had a few people come on an mouth off and say things with which I don’t necessarily agree. My policy is to pretty much let people say whatever they want as long as they don’t stray too far off topic or post obvious spam.

    This entire thing has been blown so far out of proportion that it is absurd. Now to say because of some insensitive remarks in a newsletter 15-20 plus years ago that Ron Paul is “worse” than Herman Cain brings this to a new level of absurdity.

    Let’s compare Ron Paul and Herman Cain on a few issues and see who is more libertarian.

    Herman Cain supports the war in Iraq and favors an aggressive, militaristic foreign policy.

    Ron Paul opposes the war in Iraq and favors a non-interventionist foreign policy.

    Herman Cain supports the War on Drugs.

    Ron Paul opposes the War on Drugs.

    Herman Cain supports the Patriot Act.

    Ron Paul opposes the Patriot Act.

    Herman Cain supports the TSA.

    Ron Paul opposes the TSA.

    Herman Cain supports FEMA.

    Ron Paul wants to abolish FEMA.

    Herman Cain supports the Federal Reserve System.

    Ron Paul opposes the Federal Reserve System.

    Herman Cain supported the bailouts.

    Ron Paul opposed the bailouts.

    Herman Cain favors reforming the current tax system by replacing it with his 9-9-9 tax plan.

    Ron Paul favors reforming the current tax system by abolishing the income tax and replacing it with nothing.

    Herman Cain is not even close to being as good as Ron Paul from a libertarian perspective.

    Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or a fool.

  32. Robert Capozzi

    42 a: Being a libertarian is about not initiating force and fraud.

    me: That’s a statement about behavior, not a political view. For ex., I’d say it MAY be that the Wagner faction has perpetrated a “fraud,” but I’d still call them L, as they themselves do. Personally, I call myself L and my politics are about minimizing coercion and maximizing liberty, in part because I find the idea of not initiating force a murky one, and fraud is DEFINITELY extremely difficult to prove.

    A: One could be a bigoted racist and still be a libertarian if they do not initiate force and fraud.

    me: I don’t disagree. Whom I support, however, factors in not only one’s political views but also the character and content of a politician; his or her history; his or her communication abilities.

    If David Duke adopted an entirely L agenda, I still would not support him. If Jesse Jackson adopted an entirely L agenda, I likely would not support him, either. Lyndon LaRouche, same deal.

    Mouthing the language of liberty is important, but it’s not the only consideration. In fact, politics is mostly theater, not espousing political theory. I don’t want to see a hater be the L candidate.

    Again, I don’t believe Paul is a hater. I do think he could have done a better job repudiating the hate that was published under his name.

    I’d still like to see the LP’s ticket be Paul/Johnson, despite my disappointment with Paul’s handling of NewsletterGate.

  33. Robert Capozzi

    more…

    42 a: Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or a fool.

    me: We’re all both at times, haven’t you noticed? 😉

  34. Herman Cain (Not Able) Announces 6-6-6 plan

    Mark Axinn (chair at LPNY) at LP.org blog:

    “Now under the Bush-Obama policies of the ICE Agency and the rest of DHS, she should cover her eyes in shame as the neo-cons destroy everything we once stood for. One Republican candidate actually openly stated that he would electrify the fence between the US and Mexico, no doubt so he could cook immigrants like pizzas.”

    The mark of Cain is a mark of shame…

  35. George Phillies

    @42

    Take your Republican racist bullbleep about ‘political correctness’ and shove it.

    Ron Paul wants states to be able to ban abortions via the states. Mr. Cain said that that is someplace the government should not go. On a most fundamental of freedoms, Cain shows that he understands the Libertarian message, and Paul rejects it.

  36. Jill Pyeatt

    George, you’re not really trying to convince us that Herman has Libertarian views, are you? I understand you like him better than Dr. Paul, but what about Herman Cain should a Libertarian like?

    And your comment at 42, “Take your Republican racist bullbleep about ‘political correctness’ and shove it” is uncalled for and, frankly, absurd. What Andy said isn’t Republican in the least. What is this name- calling for?

  37. paulie

    Paul’s message is more coherent than Herman’s.

    Neither message is particularly libertarian.

    I would say that bringing troops home from around the world, trillion-plus dollar cuts in government spending on both foreign and domestic projects, shutting down a slew of federal agencies, ending the drug war at the federal level, restoring civil liberties destroyed in the name of the wars on drugs and terror, and ending the federal reserve are substantially more libertarian than Cain’s support for TARP/bailouts, endless wars abroad, an electrified fence with Mexico, a new national sales tax, heimland security, the fed, and government-sponsored narcoterrorism, among other things.

  38. paulie

    Ron Paul wants states to be able to ban abortions via the states. Mr. Cain said that that is someplace the government should not go. On a most fundamental of freedoms, Cain shows that he understands the Libertarian message, and Paul rejects it.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Herman_Cain.htm

    Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life. (May 2011)
    Defund Planned Parenthood; intent was to kill black babies. (Jan 2011)
    Life begins at conception, period. (Jan 2011)

    ….

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Herman_Cain_Abortion.htm for full quotes.

  39. paulie

    Illegal immigration is a complicated issue, but to joke about a horrible death for them is despicable. Call me crazy, but I value human life–ALL human life.

    Unfortunately, a lot of Republicans only care about human life in the embryo stage.

  40. paulie

    Did this article get taken down at LP.org blog?

    I thought I remembered seeing it there, but it’s not there now.

    Anyone know?

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