John Wayne Smith: The LP is Dying

Found on Facebook, and posted here with permission from Mr. Smith
 

I guess that I should elaborate on some of my remarks made at the Tennessee LP state convention last weekend.

The Libertarian Party is dying and has less than 5 years to continue to exist as a national political party. Forty-five years is a long time for a value based political party to exist.
The Libertarian Party is now and has been the personal property of the Mattson – Knedler – Rutherford – Root and associates for over a year now. It will completely explode when Wayne Allyn Root is selected to be the 2016 Presidential nominee in Los Angeles.

The continued assassination of Mark Hinkle by Mattson and associates is not well received by many states and the only thing for them to do is to withdraw and form a separate party. The continued assassination by a few selected state chairs, especially some of the state chairs like Indiana is of further concern.

If Mark Rutherford is elected national chair to completely seal the ownership by the Mattson group, one can expect to see more states to start making the necessary arrangements to withdraw.

In the coming several years I will be making the rounds to a lot of state conventions to help states prepare their paperwork to be able to remove themselves from the LPUS.

 

John Wayne Smith is an LP activist from Florida and is currently running for the president’s nomination for the Boston Tea Party

92 thoughts on “John Wayne Smith: The LP is Dying

  1. John Jay Myers

    You might consider fighting to stop them. Unfortunately the convention location being chosen as Vegas was an attempt to stack the deck, but Wayne and the gang have done a lot to damage their reputations in the last 2 years.

    I think most libertarians who have an ounce of sense see through Root by now. He is a clown, who makes his living like a parasite. He is not production, he is destruction.

    I would agree, I have no use for a party that is led by Mark Rutherford, Mattson, Root, Starr, or the other usual suspects.

    But, the solution is not to give up, but fight back.

    Vegas will be a last stand of sorts, but this party will never be respected with these guys at the helm.

    There is that part of me that believes the dissolving the party is all part of their plan, or that they wouldn’t care if it did. So we are left with two choices, dissolve and fade away, or go along with them, when they have such a horrible message you might as well join the Dems or Reps.

    Or the third choice, try to get rid of them…. quickly.

  2. Ctomp

    On the other hand, the LP, as flawed and imperfect an organization as it is, has survived the Rothbard-Koch split, the Browne scandal and the Barrus Interruptus. It could still pull through… Or not. Either way, I’m sure such tactics as JWS promotes are not not only not helpful, but doomed to fail. More often than not,the schisms are what fades away. In any case, I hope 2016 will not be as bad as all that. It’s certainly not a given.

  3. Nick

    It wouldn’t be the first third party to collapse in on itself because of infighting, and it also wouldn’t be the last.

  4. George Phillies

    @3

    As a historical aside, though, there is a fundamental difference between the precedents you mention and what John Wayne Smith is proposing. In the 1980-1984 events, one side finally noted that had lost, threw in the towel, and walked away. In the Browne scandals, the response of Browne’s opponents was that what was needed was a thorough housecleaning, not a more drastic change. Barr has gone back to the Republican War Party.

    The closest real precedent to what Smith is proposing is the Boston Tea Party. The Boston Tea Party was based on a series of anarchist organizational ideas which do not appear to have eventuated in an effective political party.

    In none of these cases did two sides in a dispute form competing parties, however named, and appeal to the political free market by competing.

    John Wayne Smith is proposing, I would expect, to persuade current state parties to change sides, and to organize competing state parties in states in which the state party did not change sides, or would not be welcome if it claimed it wanted to change sides.

    I am aware of one state that for a time had two competing state parties. I am not referring to Oregon now, or Arizona a decade ago. In both of those cases, there were two groups both of which claimed ownership of the same corpus. There has, however, been a case of a state that for a time had two competing libertarian parties, with their own EINs, bylaws, PACs, magazines, etc., and agreement that they were not the same group of people. In the end one side collapsed. Readers should note the positive side; the political machine party of the type that Smith opposes is the group that in the end lost.

  5. Joe

    I’ll be in Vegas to vote for a party based on PRINCIPLE. I’m disgusted with Bob Barr’s endorsement of Gingrich, and by those who propose compromise on the non-aggression principle in order to “win.”

    Win what? I gotta wonder.

  6. justwondering

    Promises, promises, promises! Whenever the so-called radicals don’t get their way, they threaten to take their toys leave the sandbox. If you don’t like the direction of the LP, then leave already. But then, what would you have to whine about. The so-called radicals are like a tick that sucks the blood and energy out of it ‘s host.

    Gary Johnson will win the nomination on the first ballot and the IPR crowd will complain and moan and about the direction of the party and how he is not Libertarian enough.

    Mark Rutherford will be elected chair and you lament how the LP is no longer the party of principle. They will play the same old song and dance.

    But leave the LP, never! What would George Phillies do with all of his spare time. It would not be The LP without The Losertarian wing of The LP to drag us down. Threaten to leave, but we know you won’t!

  7. John Jay Myers

    I hope, and I am pretty sure it’s true, that Gary Johnson and Wayne Root are light years apart. Hopefully Gary has just read a few of Wayne’s crazy commentaries and knows enough to keep Wayne at a distance.

    It may be true that Gary might win on the first ballot and when he does, he will have my full support, I hope to talk to him about foreign policy and help him to come up with a statement that is better than “we have done our job let’s come home”.

    The bottom line is, if you don’t like the way the LP is going, stand up and change it. I don’t know one “Ron Paul fan” like true fan, that has had any interaction with Wayne that likes him.
    So…. if the Wayne group wins a majority of LP nominations, you can forget the more unified liberty movement coming on board. You know… the people with all the money and boots, that stand for a cause. Yeah… the only people that can possibly make this party happen wont want anything to do with it.

    Lastly, it’s funny how the only people who defend the 43 laws of power gang on this blog are people who wont put their real name in the Name column, so they are too ashamed of their comments to stand behind them.

  8. George Phillies

    @8 John Wayne Smith is not threatening to take his toys and leave the sandbox. He is threatening to take the sandbox away from your bigot wing of the libertarian political movement, you people who disgraced yourselves and our party by giving us the author of DOMA as our Presidential nominee.

  9. George Phillies

    @9 Johnson advocates military tribunals. He advocates invading Uganda. He advocates the fraud tax. That’s light years away from being a libertarian.

  10. JT

    JWS: “The Libertarian Party is dying and has less than 5 years to continue to exist as a national political party.”

    Oh, snore. The LP isn’t on the verge of collapse, despite the hysterical predictions of any Libertarian Chicken Littles.

    Even if Root were nominated in 2016–which nobody can say is likely a whole 4 years ahead of that convention–it still wouldn’t mean the death of the LP. Barring a serious change in messaging and focus from Root, I hope that doesn’t happen. But if the LP survived a Barr nomination, it would survive a Root nomination as well.

    What we should be asking ourselves is whether or not we want a much bigger, stronger LP in 2016 or one that’s similar to what we have today (or even smaller).

    JWS: “In the coming several years I will be making the rounds to a lot of state conventions to help states prepare their paperwork to be able to remove themselves from the LPUS.”

    Right. Good luck.

  11. George Phillies

    “But if the LP survived a Barr nomination, it would survive a Root nomination as well.”

    The question is not how it will take to (a) or (z) but to two in a row.

  12. Oranje Mike

    I’m going to the convention and, as of now, plan on casting my vote for Lee Wrights. There’s a lot of drama at the national level I’m not aware of. I stick with the local party in AZ. Root isn’t the most popular kat around here.

  13. Robert Capozzi

    Did JWS say “Death to the LPUS,” or did he say the LPUS is dying? The headline suggests hostility, the line about dying expresses concern.

    Big difference.

  14. Austin Battenberg

    As a Ron Paul supporter, I don’t exactly have a horse in the LP race. I will say that I do like Gary Johnson, as he has a proven libertarian track record as governor, despite some of his flaws. I will also say that I do not like Root, as he seems self centered and too right wing for me. (Not that I have a major problem with paleo-conservatism like Pat Buchanan or Rand Paul, just don’t call it libertarianism)

    So yea, if the right-wingers gain full control of the party, I will likely retract my membership and just register Independent.

    I’m not against the pragmatic Libertarians, but if we get a party that is in favor of pre-emptive war and intervention, then that crosses the line for me. I was a liberal before Ron Paul introduced me to free markets. But I still haven’t given up on my beliefs in non-intervention.

  15. Thane Eichenauer

    JJM@2
    “I think most libertarians who have an ounce of sense see through Root by now. He is a clown, who makes his living like a parasite. He is not production, he is destruction.”

    I am thankful that Wayne Allyn Root has joined the Libertarian Party. He has engaged in plenty of production on behalf of the Libertarian Party. He has authored several books the most recent being “The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold and Tax Cuts”. He has campaigned as the nominee of the Libertarian Party as its 2008 Vice Presidential candidate.

    Wayne Allyn Root has been a guest on a 96 minute internet webcast well worth watching with Gary Johnson. The webcast consisted of open questions from the audience. Wayne Allyn Root and Gary Johnson each gave thorough and direct answers to each and every question that was posed.

    http://www.yowie.com/videochat/5o3-gary-johnson-wayne-a-root

    Wayne Allyn Root presents an optimistic face to the public in a time when many Americans are looking for a source of hope and optimism.

    Wayne Allyn Root has been unfailingly polite in the comments of IPR in contrast to those who disagree with his political positions. For this I am very thankful. I don’t agree with every position that Wayne Allyn Root holds. I find his optimistic presentation to be inspiring and his polite demeanor to be worthy of emulating. I am cheered by his advocacy of freedom. If I disagreed with him about his political advocacy instead of disparaging him personally I would point out the positions I disagreed with and how _in my opinion_ that I have a different angle on issue X, Y or Z. I believe that 99.99% of avowed members of the Libertarian Party are sincere in their words and effforts in advocating for more freedom and not less. As such I find abusive ad hominem to be counterproductive in the movement to advance human liberty.

    Of course, that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.*

    *Dennis Miller’s line, I hope he doesn’t mind my use of it once in a while.

  16. Oranje Mike

    This divide goes to show that the LP is not exempt from the same poison that rages within the GOP and Democratic Party. There are those that play into ego more than policy but I don’t see the LP going by the wayside. It’s stuck around for as long as it has and likely won’t go anywhere. I may not be a fan of everything that goes on but I think the rise of Dr. Paul will do great things for the LP. So many in the younger generation will be drawn into the Republican Party to carry the banner of liberty or will be turned off by the general GOP and seek out the LP. Win/win if you ask me.

    I also tend to agree with Thane regarding the intention of those within the party. Even the ones I don’t care for, still top many within the GOP. At the very least, it’s a start.

  17. Thomas L. Knapp

    TE@19,

    “Wayne Allyn Root has been unfailingly polite in the comments of IPR in contrast to those who disagree with his political positions.”

    You might want to read more closely. Accusing anyone who disagrees you of never having run a business or created a job, etc., and of just having sour grapes because he’s on Fox News and they aren’t, is far from “unfailingly polite.”

  18. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    RC @ 16 and RW @ 18: You gentlemen are right. The original title is the one that was on the thread where I found this article, but, as you see, I’ve changed the title to a more appropriate one. Thank you.

  19. Thane Eichenauer

    TK@21
    I’ll adjust my evaluation to be “Wayne Allyn Root is significantly more polite than the many of his critics at IPR.” Again, that’s just my opinion.

  20. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    TE @ 19: Wayne has been better lately at his discourse here, but he still falls into name-calling right away (“leftist radical” being a favorite of his–as if there’s something wrong with that). He’s
    polite sometimes, but rude just as often, in my view.

  21. Let the T-Rex of Talk Radio Entertain U2day

    Just like the Socialists, splintter, splintter, splintter into a dozen even less productive groups and movements. Don’t be gullible, this talk doesn’t help the L movement in any way.

    Myers has the 100% correct idea. Show up and bring as many like minded as you can get to come and vote the frauds out. By all means don’t get mad when Johnson (or whoever) wins and leave the floor. Be on the floor until the voting is over. Contrary to what some think, LNC and LP offices are more important than the POTUS/VP races. Win or lose stay involved and keep building and educating at the local level. Eventually you can change the national level if necessary with this plan not with a plan that splintters the movement even more.

    There you continue to go Phillies. You used the same tactics against Barr. (I didn’t mind then because I opposed Barr, I realize now I should have worked to build the LP and change Barr’s mind not outright oppose him in ’08). You pick out 3 or 4 items and continue to harp on them instead of the 80 to 90% of items on which you can agree with Gary Johnson. GJ isn’t Bob Barr. Sure if I could change him on a few issues I would, but he’s the best we’ve got this time. When you, me or anyone hires someone for a job we look at the RESUME’ of all applicants. Gary Johnson has the best resume this cycle. He may be off “plumbline” on 10 to 20% of the issues, but if he’s inline on 80 to 90% I can live with it and everyone else should, in the interest of unity on those 80 to 90% of the issues, live with it too. Try to work in a friendly way with GJ on those 10 to 20% of the issues he can improve upon!

    If we all could just row in the same direction for a while, think what could be accomplished. Vote for your candidates (or NOTA) on each election offered at the convention. You may win more than you lose. Whatever happens let’s go back home and try to build the LP at our local, district and state levels. Please Run for federal, state or local office if you can. Let’s row toward liberty together this year !

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  22. Wayne Root

    Regarding John Jay Myers comments…

    First, you are too vicious. You chase away anyone with a modicum of common sense. You are the angry face of the LP. Bad for business.

    Second, you are unfortunately kidding yourself…aka delusional. But that’s ok. I do not care what you think John. What gets me angry is when you deceive others with false information.

    You say “No one I know in Ron Paul movement likes Wayne.”

    Well that’s because you don’t personally know Ron Paul, his son Rand Paul, or the top staffers of Ron Paul. They all seem to like me just fine. I’ve had Ron as a guest on my radio show numerous times and we get along great. I’m a big fan and treat him wonderfully every time.

    Rand was closing speaker at FreedomFest last year…after I was opening speaker. When I met him after his speech he told me he was a huge fan of mine…and reads my columns in the Washington Times regularly. He said he loves what I write.

    And then there’s Ron’s staff- who are all friendly with me and book him on my radio show whenever I call. They could not be more helpful.

    Does that sound like someone that Ron Paul’s fans and supporters don’t like?

    Strange story John.

    Obviously you need to get out and meet a better group of people. Like Ron and Rand themselves! LOL

    So much for the rude and even more delusional comments that my commentaries are “crazy.” First, if they are “crazy” then I guess United States Senator Rand Paul is crazy too.

    And Ron himself must be crazy for coming on the radio with me and saying on air how much he enjoys talking to me.

    Isn’t it funny that my opinions are so “crazy” that the biggest sites in the country all are fighting for me to add my commentaries to their sites.

    I now write for so many top sites, I can’t find time in the day to give them all the columns they want.

    When you add up who I write for…I reach a potential audience of about 75 million readers.

    My latest commentary about the sad, desperate state of California will be up at FoxNews.com on Monday.

    And as far as Gary Johnson…Gary is a friend and fan, who has also appeared many times on my radio shows…him and I have also spoken back to back at many major political events.

    I guess he likes my “crazy” commentaries too. Because he just announced I’ll be joining The GJ Presidential Campaign, Council of Economic Advisors…

    And he has appointed me…

    Chairman of Gary Johnson Presidential Campaign Small Business & Entrepreneurship Roundtable.

    In case you missed it, his advisor is Roger Stone, a former advisor to multiple Presidential candidates. Stone has a popular and well read blog. He recently wrote in that blog that I’m the perfect candidate to replace Harry Reid as Nevada’s next United States Senator.

    Now John…

    You obviously have a very biased and limited view of things. Please stop saying nasty, negative untrue things about me. I say nothing nasty about you. Nothing.

    Best Wishes & Good Night All,

    Wayne

  23. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Wayne @ 26: Since you mentioned it, I would urge you to run for Senate. Seriously, I think you’d have a shot at getting it, and the LP would like to see how you are in office. It’s actually been discussed here a few times.

  24. Tom Blanton

    Could it be that the LP is already dead?

    Perhaps the LP is merely a walking corpse, a zombie organization with no soul stumbling along as it battles with the various parasites and cancers that eat away at its purpose.

    Delusional and undead, this beast has no hope of reaching political office and appears to be nothing more than a freakish sideshow to anyone paying attention to what is going on in the world.

    The tragedy is that the zombie LP sucks up the time, energy and money of well-meaning people with good intentions fighting to animate the rotting carcass of both a zombie political party and a zombie nation.

    Like the operatives of the Republicans and Democrats, the practical opportunists of the LP have rejected truth in favor of cynically calculated propaganda designed to appeal to what they imagine the ordinary person will embrace. In this process they have substituted a message of freedom with a message of bullshit, hoping to recruit Republicans and Democrats that are loyalists to statism.

    The Thomas Paines are shouted down and called radicals and heretics while clowns like Wayne Root, Bob Barr and Neal Boortz are promoted as messengers. Over and over this strategy has proven to fail as the so-called moderate pragmatists point their fingers at those deemed radicals who are vilified because their message is rejected by political opponents who support authoritarianism and totalitarianism.

    Maybe it is time to allow the LP to die so that those who fear freedom can go their way and play with the Republicans and Democrats, and those who want to carry the banner of freedom can do so unencumbered by the zombie LP, allowing them to reach those who have long rejected the major parties and reject the half-hearted propaganda put out by the LP.

    Those clinging to working in the political system who seek to be elected to political office can always run as independents, free from the yoke of the political whores that inhabit political parties. It is no secret that independent candidates have been far more successful at electoral politics than third party candidates.

    Meanwhile, idiots who spend their time listening to Dennis Miller as they masturbate to Wayne Root pin-up pictures can continue their follies free from the distractions of those actually interested in more than exploitive entertainers.

  25. Tom Blanton

    Now that WAR is in the room, he can explain why he hasn’t come out to defend George Zimmerman and explain why Trayvon Martin deserved to die.

    I’ve been expecting WAR to write a NewsMax column on this.

  26. justwondering

    “Meanwhile, idiots who spend their time listening to Dennis Miller as they masturbate to Wayne Root pin-up pictures can continue their follies free from the distractions of those actually interested in more than exploitive entertainers.”

    With hate speech like this,you wonder why we don’t use our real names?

  27. Samuel Whittemore

    I’ll be joining The GJ Presidential Campaign, Council of Economic Advisors…

    In the ‘Set it and Forget It’ Division of Pragmatic Marketing or the Speak Out of Both Sides of Your Mouth Tout Service ConJob Department to bring in stupid tv watching Fox News viewers for most of an election cycle?

    In trying to stay positive, I am glad to see Johsnon has economic advisers. Maybe they can help him understand that replacing the income tax of the IRS with the income tax of the IRS and a National Sales Tax administered by the IRS or an offshoot alphabet soup agency is not moving public policy in a libertarian direction. As one of his advisers, WAR, are you going to help him sell his fraud tax or sell Johnson on libertarianism. I suspect the former.

    BTW, I heard a crazy conspiracy theory on the internet that has the LP following up its disastrous Barr / Root ticket with a Johnson / WAR ticket. Any Truth to those crazy conspiracy theories?

    Was Michael Badnarik just a couple of years too early in reading the LP’s eulogy in St. Louis? Or was he a couple of years late. We should have had the decency to bury it in Denver. Now we have all these damn zombies running around pretending to be living breathing libertarians. I don’t know whether the appropriate tool for such a problem is a wooden stake or a 16 gauge shotgun with 00 buck. I suspect the solution lies somewhere in the middle. But, then again, the zombies will probably all die off in Vegas when they open up the heads of those at the national convention and can’t find any brains to eat.

  28. Be Rational

    On behalf of amature and professional Clowns everywhere, I wish you’d all stop comparing people you don’t like to those of us who entertain children and adults alike through the honorable profession of Clowning.

  29. Paulie

    @30 I don’t use my last name here either, and I don’t know who you are but there’s a decent chance you know me in real life. If so, I encourage you to call me at your convenience or talk to me in person. 415-690-6352 or a convention sometime.

    I’m an anarchist libertarian myself, but I also deal with practical politics and get along just fine with minimal government libertarians and even with many people with whom I agree far less with politically than I do with people on the “other side” in the intra-party battles.

  30. John Jay Myers

    Wayne, honestly… you make a fool of yourself, you are cheesy d bag. Seriously, and these pompous posts that try to make you out to be something you are not are … silly, they may fool some people, but for someone with half an ounce of common sense you just sound like an ignorant wind bag.

    Now, this may come across as viscous to you, but that’s okay, because to you, that’s how I mean to come across. You are so horribly not libertarian on so many issues, and I don’t mean that as if I am a radical, I am a moderate libertarian. You are just a panderer.

    Now, you can call Jessie Benton, Rand Paul, Ron Paul or my neighbor here in Dallas Robert Paul, and every one of them would know who I am. So when you don’t know what you are talking about… maybe you shouldn’t speak, oh wait… that would be all the time.

    You just talk about your many media appearances, and I continue to state facts, that every time you write an article and every time you appear in an interview 9 times out of 10…. you do more harm than good. You have seriously bad form and take the wrong side on almost every issue.

  31. Robert Capozzi

    28 tb: Could it be that the LP is already dead? Perhaps the LP is merely a walking corpse…

    me: Close. It was born with a birth defect, a third, atrophied foot that trips the party every time it tries to walk, much less run. It’s likely obvious to most outsiders that the SoP’s extremist and false overstatements only detract and add nothing, and it would be a simple, outpatient surgery to lose this dysfunctional limb.

    And, yet, somehow 1/8 +1 cling to terms like “cult of the omnipotent state” like Catholics clung to no-meat Fridays until Vatican II. It was a sin to even think about eating hamburger on Friday before 1962.

    Near as I can tell, post-Vatican II, nothing happened after that “sin” was taken off the list! 😉

  32. Tom Blanton

    It’s likely obvious to most outsiders that the SoP’s extremist and false overstatements only detract and add nothing, and it would be a simple, outpatient surgery to lose this dysfunctional limb.

    This may be true, but the first problem is that “most outsiders” are hopelessly brainwashed rubes that have internalized the indoctrination they have received from government schools, corporate media and lying partisans.

    The second problem is that when LP zombies craft their half-clever propaganda to appeal to these rubes, the remaining outsiders that have already rejected the mainstream parties crave some truth and authenticity reject the zombie LP, as the LP zombies attempt to mimic the zombie Republicans and zombie Democrats.

    The third problem with LP zombies is that they presume “most outsiders” read the LP SoP or the LP platform when the reality is that most of the LP undead haven’t read these items themselves. Then, with a contorted grin from their flesh-eating mouths, the LP zombie masters convince the cult members that using certain magical words in these documents will somehow transform the few that bother to vote for LP candidates into hoards of voters for their mystical cult of absurdity. A cult that demands freedom and leaders of a large central government at the same time.

    The mono-toned mantra: Give me freedom! Who will lead me?

    Capozzi, of course members of the cult of the omnipotent state dislike negative statements directed at them. It is too late for these unfortunate victims. It is too late to appeal to those that find solace in slavery and look to the state to protect them. They are lost souls.

    Promises to loosen the shackles accompanied by marginal tax cuts may appeal to a few zombie slaves , but I suspect there a more than a few unindoctrinated people that actually want the shackles to be removed.

    Republicans and Democrats don’t want the shackles removed, they want shiny fleece-lined shackles. Velvet covered shackles promised by zombie LP candidates may appeal to some of these partisans, but they prefer to stick with their own kind.

  33. Oranje Mike

    I am actually embarrassed for the LP to see former candidates crying like school girls and writing lame diss letters to each other in the comments section on a blog. I seriously hope this is the result of trolls using names. Cut the b.s., guys. If you want to cry the Democratic Party is always looking for hacks.

  34. Robert Capozzi

    37 tb, actually, everyone craves truth at some level. The cult of the omnipotent state is false. The thought stream that springs from that falsehood leads to loopier and loopier ideas which for sure won’t appeal to the “rubes” or the awakened. It only appeals to a different sort of cult member…the cult of the anti-authority paranoids.

  35. Lavra

    Wayne @ 26: “And as far as Gary Johnson… I guess he likes my “crazy” commentaries too. Because he just announced I’ll be joining The GJ Presidential Campaign, Council of Economic Advisors…”

    Can you post a link to this announcement? Or point out when and where Governor Johnson made this announcement?

  36. Nick

    I just want to point out that fighting in the comments section of a blog does nothing to further your party.

  37. Jimmy

    Will someone refresh my memory on the Browne scandal, please? You can do so here, drjamesclifton Thank you!

  38. Ken Moellman

    A few things to correct:

    “The Libertarian Party is dying and has less than 5 years to continue to exist…”

    I first heard this 5 years ago.

    “The Libertarian Party is now and has been the personal property of the Mattson – Knedler – Rutherford – Root and associates for over a year now.”

    It’s the “property” of its membership. If you don’t like the current makeup of the LNC, then put forth better candidates for LNC and convince convention delegates to support them.

    “It will completely explode when Wayne Allyn Root is selected to be the 2016 Presidential nominee in Los Angeles.”

    Funny, I heard the same thing less than 4 years ago, when people from your camp were predicting Root would be our candidate in 2012.

    “The continued assassination of Mark Hinkle by Mattson and associates is not well received by many states …”

    I hate the drama and I ignore it. I’m focused on making LPKY work, not bringing LP Nat’s drama to LPKY.

    “…and the only thing for them to do is to withdraw and form a separate party.”

    Yeah, that’ll work. Do what you want, but LPKY is our best vehicle to success in KY.

    “The continued assassination by a few selected state chairs, especially some of the state chairs like Indiana is of further concern.”

    Stupid free speech. They should shut up and accept what’s going on, just like the Ds and Rs demand of their supporters.

    “If Mark Rutherford is elected national chair to completely seal the ownership by the Mattson group, one can expect to see more states to start making the necessary arrangements to withdraw.”

    That would be truly asinine. I know Mark Rutherford, and his goal is to build an effective Libertarian organization. He did it in Indiana.

    “In the coming several years I will be making the rounds to a lot of state conventions to help states prepare their paperwork to be able to remove themselves from the LPUS.”

    In 2013, we are currently working on a plan to have a regional convention with Ohio and Indiana, and hoping to combine it with an LSLA (and maybe an LNC) meeting.

    “John Wayne Smith is an LP activist from Florida and is currently running for the president’s nomination for the Boston Tea Party”

    Pick one, go with it. Either go LP or BTP. And good luck on your endeavors. And I seriously mean that. Pick a route. Don’t try to cannibalize other liberty groups for your own group, though. It tends to cause bad-blood in the long-run.

  39. Kevin Knedler

    So the LP is “dying”.
    This story is so funny it is sad. Delusional just maybe.
    Just completed the MOST successful Ohio Libertarian Convention in history. Record number of people– around 90. Stellar lineup of speakers with Matt Welch and Nick Gillispie and Rupert Boneham and Jim Babka. The place was on “fire” with energy and passion.
    I gave my annual report to the members: highest amount of funds in our treasury in over 10 years, record number of candidates vs the cycle 4 years ago–166% increase, new two-room office for the state party, more county affiliates than ever, volunteers coming from everywhere on the LP political spectrum, everyone rowing in the same direction, party ballot access for the 5th year in a row–only done twice before in the 39 year history of the OHio party, and the YOUTH Movement is coming. I am kicking the door wide open for then to take some leadership roles and keep this party moving forward.

    So when anyone bellyaches about the party “dying”, DON’T insult the Ohio LP. We are growing because we have a focus, a vision, and an organization in place. And we try to remember to stay positive and thank the volunteers. We had 13 winners of our annual awards. Families showed up. People were in tears with emotion when winning awards. That is how you inspire and lead and grow an organization.

    From a moderal libertarian that happens to want to build a strong state AND local county organization. It can be done. Get off the keyboard and make it happen in your state.

  40. Kevin Knedler

    “Moderal” Libertarian. Too funny. Eyesight and fingers are getting old. I meant “Moderate Libertarian”.

  41. Thomas L. Knapp

    There are various ways for a party to “die.”

    JWS’s definition includes the caveat “as a national political party,” indicating that he believes some state LPs might continue to serve a useful role.

    And of course, there’s the question of what “useful” is. The purpose of the Libertarian Party is “… to implement and give voice to the principles embodied in the Statement of Principles …”

    Is the national LP accomplishing that purpose?

    A sizeable faction of the LP spends a lot of time bellyaching that the Statement of Principles is a handicap to being a “real political party” … which is sort of like saying that they want to play baseball by dicking around with balls, bats and gloves, but getting rid of ideas like bases, runs, etc. Or that they want to be Buddhists, but only if they can be Buddhists of a type that adheres to the Nicene Creed and worships Jesus rather than seeking satori via the Eightfold Path (and all the other Buddhists who prefer the latter are “holding us back with a circular firing squad”).

    It seems pretty obvious to me that that particular faction is doing its damnedest to kill the LP — not because they’re bad people, but because they want to be in a different organization, without going to a different organization. An organization that serves some other purpose than its ACTUALLY STATED purpose is just a dead seashell with a crab of a different species living inside it.

    I’d like to see someone argue the proposition that Barr/Root 2008 “implement[ed] and g[a]ve voice to the principles embodied in the Statement of Principles.”

  42. Richard Winger

    The Libertarian Party will probably nominate a successful two-term Governor for President this year. Gary Johnson is actually better qualified to be president (when resume is the only consideration) than the likely Republican nominee, who only served one term as Governor and probably would have been defeated for re-election if he had run for re-election. Gary Johnson also has more executive experience than now-President Obama, if one looks at Obama’s experience before he became President.

    Johnson, if he is the LP nominee, will be the first non-major party nominee who has served 2 terms as a Governor since 1924, when Robert La Follette ran as a Progressive and got 17% of the vote for President in November.

    The Libertarian Party has polled over 1,000,000 votes for its US House candidates in five of the last six elections. No other non-major party has done that since 1914.

  43. Common Tater

    @49

    Yes, but is it still ideologically libertarian? If so, will it continue to be?

  44. Robert Capozzi

    49 tk: Or that they want to be Buddhists, but only if they can be Buddhists of a type that adheres to the Nicene Creed and worships Jesus rather than seeking satori via the Eightfold Path…

    me: Excellent, if inadvertent, analogy. In fact, there are many variants of Buddhism. There are also Christian Buddhists. There have been discoveries of other “Christian” gospels that in many ways suggest that the 4 gospels are incorrect in many ways.

    There are many ways to look at what liberty is and even what non-aggression is. Some 20 year olds and an eccentric philosophy professor attempted to codify now and forever what their collective judgment was regarding the One True and Right Way. Some Ls have found other “gospels” of liberty and are challenging the rigid, literalistic, and sometimes loopy Denver Creed.

    Yes, that effort could be viewed as sacrilegious, heretical, and too radical (in its general meaning) for those who cling to their orthodoxy.

  45. Thomas L. Knapp

    CT@50,

    An interesting question, and one I don’t really have an answer for.

    The important question with respect to “dying” is “is the organization actually fulfilling, or even attempting to fulfill, its purpose?”

    I don’t think it is.

    The faction that spends all its time bellyaching that the purpose ought to be different, instead of leaving and founding an organization with the purpose they want, is partially responsible for that.

    The LP is continuously in struggle between members who want the organization to fulfill its purpose, and members who joined an organization dedicated to X, and spend all their time in that organization whining that it should be doing Y.

    I say “partially responsible,” because the faction that actually wants the LP to fulfill its purpose coddles the faction that doesn’t want it to do so, instead of telling that faction to fuck off and get their own club instead of constantly grinding this one to a halt.

    Also “partially responsible” because it’s not obvious that the activities the organization’s bylaws list as to be taken for fulfilling the purpose actually do fulfill the purpose.

    RC@51,

    “There are many ways to look at what liberty is and even what non-aggression is.”

    Yes, there are.

    The founders of the LP chose ONE of those ways, and set up bylaws to ensure that the LP would perpetually be invested in that way.

    Pissing and moaning about that won’t change it. It won’t make the LP into the organization you want it to be. Its sole possible effect is to make the LP an ineffectual organization for any purpose at all.

  46. Robert Capozzi

    54 tk, yes, well, sanity almost won the day in Portland. I’d like to think that I don’t piss and moan – that I offer my positive perspectives on things for others to consider.

    Things will be what they’ll be. Politics is probably ineffectual generally…one participates because it’s interesting, not for any specific outcome. It’s much simpler and healthier to proceed with no expectations. GJ might run a great John B. Anderson-type campaign, or he might be part of an elaborate ruse devised by Roger Stone to destroy the LP.

    If I can help spark some real radical thought in my Randian/Rothbardian brothers and sisters, I’ll be pleased as punch…

  47. Richard Vanier

    Gary Johnson gets 80%+ in the Ohio Libertarian Party Straw Poll. But, will “Independent” Political Report do an article on it?

    Only time will tell and I am not holding my breath!

  48. Richard Winger

    The Libertarian Party has helped create more liberty for voters to vote for the candidate they wish to vote for in a majority of states in the nation. Libertarian lawsuits, or Libertarian lobbying, has brought about improvements in Arizona, Colorado, Florida (hugely), Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio (hugely), Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Also Guam.

  49. Austin Battenberg

    @26 Root

    You mentioned at the end of your comment that someone suggested you would be the best replacement for Harry Reid in the Senate. I couldn’t agree more. It would give you time to build up a voting record that you can run on when you run for president, making people who might doubt you recognize that you do vote based on principle. Also, you wouldn’t have to campaign all across the country, but only in one state. One that you are already pretty well known in, and one that is relatively libertarian. If ever there was a chance for someone to become a Senator from the Libertarian Party, it would be you.

    Same thing for Gary Johnson…I always thought it would be more wise for him to run for Senate in New Mexico before running for President. I think he lost a lot of potential momentum because of Ron Paul’s run. We need more Libertarians or libertarian leaning candidates in the House and Senate.

  50. Michael H. Wilson

    re Richard Winger @ 58. That is one thing the LP can surely be proud of. Now if we could say the same about a couple of other issues.

  51. Kevin Knedler

    Thank you Richard Winger. You are amazing.
    And yes, OHIO did have a huge increase. Voter registration, candidates (166% more than 4 years ago), treasury funds, best convention we have ever had in 39 year history. All of this is interrelated. It all feeds off each other.

  52. Webb T. Ferrari

    Gary Johnson gets 80%+ in the Ohio Libertarian Party Straw Poll. But, will “Independent” Political Report do an article on it?

    With known Lee Wrights supporters such as Aaron Starr, Brian Holtz, and, until recently, Bruce Cohen writing for IPR, it shows clear factional bias that no one has offered you the opportunity to sign up to post articles here.

  53. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    RV @ 57: If you’ll write up an article about it, either I’ll post it or, if I don’t have time, I’ll send it to all the other writers and maybe someone will post it.

  54. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    WTF @ 62: That’s not true. Paulie offered Rich the opportunity to sign up as a writer just last week. Mr. Vanier, if you want to post article here, we’ll be happy to sign you up.

    As far as the rest of your comment about Aaron Starr and Bruce Cohen supporting Lee Wrights, I haven’t heard that here. Or are you making an April Fools joke? I’m of the opinion they’re Johnson supporters. Brian Holtz–I don’t know.

  55. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    AB @ 59: I hope Wayne checks back in here to see your comment (and mine @ 27) about running for the Senate. I think it would be a good move.

  56. Webb T. Ferrari

    @64 ‘Twas simple sarcasm. I don’t think it rises to the level of an April Fool’s joke.

  57. Richard Vanier

    Wow, I was never notified about an offer to write for IPR. That’s actually pretty cool. I know Paulie has my email address. Thanks Jill, my opinion of IPR has improved, with no sarcasm intended.

  58. George Whitfield

    I think the Libertarian Party will be around after all of us have passed away. The LP is not perfect but it is much better than the Democrat and Republican Parties.

  59. paulie

    Richard Vanier

    Here was my email to you dated February 12 – relevant portion highlighted

    Rich, nobody coordinates what stories get posted at IPR.

    There is no such thing as an IPR agenda.

    Rather, what there is, is a group of volunteer writers who post articles if and when they have time. IPR reporters are as diverse as Bruce Cohen and Jill Pyeatt, Brian Holtz, Aaron Starr, Chuck Moulton, Tom Knapp, Gene Berkman, Marc Montoni, myself, etc., and include other people who are not libertarians or even close to being libertarians. What kind of agenda do you think all of us would share? The vast majority of IPR articles, no one asks before they post them, they just go up and the rest of the IPR writers see them the same time that you do.

    We all have other things to do besides IPR and none of us are getting paid anything to post at IPR. Trent has maintaining IPR as one of his job responsibilities, but it’s only a very small part of his job, if I understand correctly.

    Whenever you stories that should be posted at IPR and aren’t, the cure is simple. Sign up to post stories at IPR. All you have to do is ask.

    Speaking for myself, I’ve been working the last few days and have barely even read IPR much less posted anything. And if you are wondering what my agenda is, I’m an uncommitted possible delegate. I don’t know which candidate I would vote for if the convention was today and I was there. So what is this “agenda” crap? If you think I have endorsed Wrights or Harris, I haven’t. If I wanted to I would have. I had no trouble telling anyone who asked that I supported Browne for the nomination in 1996 and 2000, Russo in 2004 and Kubby (followed by Ruwart) in 2008. So when I say I’m undecided I mean it. If you check past IPR comments I have said it any number of times. There’s no such thing as an objective reporter, but in this case I’m the next best thing.

    -paulie
    415-690-6352

    Your response, same day:

    Pauly,

    Thanks for the response. I apologize for the agenda comment!

    I will admit that I am a hardcore Gary Johnson fan and was excited by his strong showing in The Florida Straw Poll. I personally respect your work and did not direct my comment towards you. I was hoping the results would of been published by now. Jill Pyeatt was going to try and post the results. But the article was from MSNBC and you can’t use that article.

    Again my sincere apologies for the comment. I will try to temper my excitement in the future before I post on Facebook.

    Live Free!

    Rich Vanier

    Sent from my iPhone

    If you would like to sign up now, as I told you on 2/12, all you have to do is ask.

  60. Austin Battenberg

    @65 More of these high profile Libertarians can prove to the radicals that they are worthy of the Libertarian name by simply winning an election that is possible to win, like a congressional seat, and voting like a libertarian. The Presidency isn’t an impossibility if we have people in Congress.

  61. paulie

    I’d like a Libertarian political party that takes both the libertarian part and the political party part more seriously. In my view when I joined in the 1990s we were better at both than we are now (relatively better, at least).

    It seems that the LP now has some people that say they take the political party part seriously, but the “libertarian” part may be questionable. It also has too many people that take the libertarian part very seriously, but as for political party, well, they don’t even know where to begin, and show little if any interest in finding out.

  62. Let the T-Rex of Talk Radio Entertain U2day

    I always promoted WAR (the “KING” of Las Vegas) to run for mayor of Vegas. “Show us, don’t tell us”. Didn’t find out until a few months back he doesn’t even live in Vegas but in a ‘burb city.

    Let another man praise thee and not thine ownself.
    – From the old Jewish Testament.

    I’ve spent much effort attempting to calm and peacemake for the upcoming Johnson nomination and frankly it sicken me a bit in my stomach, to have the — USED CAR SALESMAN to come out and enflame the opposition. But sadly I realize that self promoting egotist must continue to self-promote. They can’t help but do it! The least I hope is $10,000 is already or will shortly be in the GJ kitty from WAR and wife !!! Please know the advantage that can be used to build the LP locally, as explained @ 49 by Mr. Winger, by a GJ candidancy and hopefully all will use it. You don’t have to love it, but tolerate and — USE it to enlarge the Party locally! Where’s the pink stuff LOVE?

    Ohio gave GJ 80%. It’s just a matter of making it official. Don’t hate it, — USE IT to build in your area when you can! The LP must go after Independents in 2012. GJ can help with such an effort. Undoubtably even in the larger states where there is much low hanging fruit (votes) to gather!

    Gary Johnson 2012: “Tolerance is American” – http://www.youtube.com/user/govgaryjohnson?feature=BF#p/u/18/WCu3lZMvFcs
    “It’s not American to give rights to
    one group, but not to another. It’s not American to stir up irrational
    fears about other Americans’ religious beliefs. It’s not American to
    discriminate against others for where they were born. It’s not
    American to use the federal government to override the decisions of the
    states. Tolerance is American.” – (www.)Gary Johnson (2012.COM)

  63. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I found this response to Mr Smith on an email thread:

    “Wayne Root is one of my 3 favorite guests of all-time. My 3 favorites
    all-time are Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and Wayne. And Wayne is number 1.”
    (1/2/11)
    “The most important, must-read columnists and commentators in
    America…that I love…that light me up…that I learn from…Wayne Allyn Root,
    Charles Krauthammer and Thomas Sowell.” (12/18/11)
    “Allow me to introduce a man who should be running for President…because
    he’d be winning…Wayne Allyn Root I worship at your feet…one day I look
    forward to voting for you for national office.” (3/4/12)
    “Wayne Root- you are simply the best…I want you to run for President of
    the United States.” (3/6/12)

    John Wayne,
    I’d call those quotes serious proof of progress, success, popularity and
    WINNING.
    I’d say they indicate signs of L-I-F-E for the LP.
    God Bless,
    Wayne
    Wayne Allyn Root

  64. Here's a radical idea

    Ohio LP straw poll results were 85% for Governor Johnson. 9% for Bill Still who bailed and didn’t show up for the debate– some talk abouth mis-votes by people who accidently voted for Bill. 6% for R Lee Wrights who did show up and had a good message of Liberty. Ohio folks use text message system from phones with big screens up in the convention room. Nice.
    Some other candidate showed up, but had not registered by the deadline and had not prepared basic requirements by a previous deadline. I heard he was out in hall or the parking lot handing out materials. Whatever.

  65. Brendan Kelly

    Well it’s good to see we’re going to have another interesting convention.For the past several years I’ve refused to leave the LP to run as a republican just so I could get elected. I believe principle is much more important.I’m running for Congress this time.I’m certain our time will come to show America the way back to freedom. I’ve yet to meet anyone I thought to be perfect,libertarian or otherwise I’ll continue to consider anyone whom I agree with 80% of the time to be a friend and I’ll work with them on the issues upon which we agree and let someone else help them on the things we don’t agree on.I expect us to have a banner year this year and we’ll be in position to pick up the pieces when this socialist democratic nonsense reaches the end of their rope.look forward to seeing you all in Vegas.Brendan

  66. Josh

    There should be a Libertarian immunity test. I should give a blood sample, DNA, and 500 page exam questioning my Libertarianism.

    Seems that only 10 people are currently in this club.

    Josh

  67. paulie

    hari

    Thanks for the report

    Some other candidate showed up, but had not registered by the deadline and had not prepared basic requirements by a previous deadline. I heard he was out in hall or the parking lot handing out materials.

    Anyone know who that was?

  68. Here's a radical idea

    Somebody named Jim. Not sure anyone knew him. Lots of new members in Ohio. Younger crowd. It was a big convention.

  69. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Rumor had it that Jim Burns came to the CA convention Sat AM to pass out literature, then left, although I didn’t see him. I think Ogle is more direct.

  70. Dan Reale

    The Libertarian Party is on the way up.

    The GOP is on the way down.

    We can read into those trends how we may, but no way is an excuse to justify impersonation.

  71. paulie

    Sounds like Burns from the description.

    Glad to hear he’s been able to afford a road trip finally. I don’t remember seeing an email about his itinerary but I’ll look again.

  72. Robert Capozzi

    83 dr, I’d prefer that to be the case, but I see no evidence for your assertion. Based on the 2010 elections, it appears the GOP is SOMEHOW on the way up, perhaps because BHO has been so pronouncedly dysfunctional.

    The LP, OTOH, should be benefiting from this environment. Unfortunately, in this soccer match, the LP seems to prefer to score own-goals, which is not a path for success, to say the least.

  73. Here's a radical idea

    GOP may only be up due to Ron Paul. A lot of those people without Ron Paul would not be voting or go independent again. Just saying.

  74. Robert Capozzi

    87 here’s, I see no evidence RP had much affect on the 2010 elections, except to the extent that his 08 campaign influenced the Tea Party.

  75. Steven R Linnabary

    @ 75:

    Yes, the texting system of voting was very cumbersome…at least for a geezer that rarely if ever texts. At least I have a cell phone (that makes me tech savvy, right?) I may very well have been one of those accidentally voting for Still.

    And it was Jim Burns that came to the LPO convention without telling anyone he was coming (3 emails had been sent to him asking if he was attending).

    Bill Still came to the convention, and paid a LOT of money to sponsor the convention (being a sponsor gave him the opportunity to speak during the banquet). But he withdrew from the debate because he said it was the first LP convention he had been to where he had not sold any of his books.

    PEACE

  76. Kevin Knedler

    heck Steve. I can’t even hardly read the keys on my flip phone, let alone hit the right button. From another old geezer, who is a few steps away from the glue factory.

  77. paulie

    Anyone know where else Burns will be popping up?

    Via email:

    Another YouTube video

    Dear Paul,

    Approximately 50 words

    I am still working on videos. I hope this works well and you like it:

    http://youtu.be/REi_UnyJXKo

    The video may also be on the bottom of the page.

    I am on the road. I am in NH. I go to the CT convention tomorrow and NY on Tuesday.

    I have my cell phone with me: 541-261-4163.

    Thanks to Ed Kluss of Pahrump, Nevada

    Sincerely,

    Jim Burns
    http://www.jimburnsforpresident.com/joomla/
    http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000094450639
    PO Box 1139
    Beatty, NV 89003
    541-261-4163
    702-722-9494

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