State-by-State Results of IPR’s 2016 LP Presidential Preference Poll

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With IP analysis complete, IPR can now release the official state-by-state results of its August 12-19 survey, which gauged reader preference for the Libertarian Party’s 2016 presidential nomination field.

In the poll, voters were asked to chose one of the following individuals, who at the time, were either running or had expressed an interest in running for the 2016 LP presidential nomination:

Results released in late August showed former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson as the overwhelming preference of the poll’s 166 participants. The next month, a sneak preview of the state-by-state results on ThePLASPlace, announced Robert Milnes’ victory in Connecticut,

For the purposes of the state-by-state results, votes from cell phones and proxy IPs were not tabulated due to their ambiguous nature. Foreign results were excluded as well. Identifiable IPs were traced to 37 different states, as shown in the map below. States shaded black in the map registered no identifiable votes.

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Once again, the results showed Gary Johnson in first place with 23 states. Jesse Ventura won three. Jim Gray and Robert Milnes each won one.

Milnes was the only current candidate to win a state exclusively. Fellow contender Darryl Perry tied with Jesse Ventura in New Hampshire, while Kip Lee and Jim Burns did poorly in each state. 

Potential candidate George Phillies tied for first in four states. Johnson tied in seven. Ventura tied in four. Gray tied in two.

Complete results by state listed below:

Alabama

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

Arkansas

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

California

  • Gary Johnson – 47.37%
  • Jim Gray – 26.32%
  • Kip Lee – 0.05%
  • Robert Milnes – 0.05%
  • Jesse Ventura – 0.05%
  • NOTA – 0.05%

Colorado

  • Jim Gray – 25%
  • Gary Johnson – 25%
  • George Phillies – 25%
  • Jesse Ventura – 25%

Connecticut

  • Robert Milnes – 100%

Georgia

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

Florida

  • Gary Johnson – 28.57%
  • George Phillies – 28.57%
  • Jim Gray – 14.29%
  • Warren Redlich – 14.29%
  • NOTA – 14.29%

Illinois

  • Gary Johnson – 40%
  • George Phillies – 20%
  • Warren Redlich – 20%
  • Jesse Ventura – 20%

Indiana

  • Gary Johnson – 60%
  • George Phillies – 20%
  • NOTA – 20%

Iowa

  • Gary Johnson – 50%
  • George Phillies – 50%

Kansas

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

Kentucky

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

Louisiana

  • Gary Johnson – 66.67%
  • Jesse Ventura – 22.22%
  • Jim “Libertarian” Burns – 11.11%

Maine

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

Maryland

  • Gary Johnson – 75%
  • NOTA – 25%

Massachusetts

  • Gary Johnson – 66.67%
  • George Phillies – 16.67%
  • Jesse Ventura – 16.67%

Michigan

  • Gary Johnson – 66.67%
  • Jesse Ventura – 33.33%

Mississippi

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

Missouri

  • Jesse Ventura – 66.67%
  • Jim Gray – 33.33%

Montana

  • Jesse Ventura – 100%

Nevada

  • Gary Johnson – 50%
  • NOTA – 50%

New Hampshire

  • Darryl Perry – 50%
  • Jesse Ventura – 50%

New Jersey

  • Gary Johnson – 42.86%
  • Robert Milnes – 28.57%
  • Jesse Ventura – 14.29%
  • NOTA – 14.29%

New Mexico

  • Gary Johnson – 75%
  • Jim Gray – 25%

New York

  • Gary Johnson – 57.14%
  • Robert Milnes – 14.29%
  • Warren Redlich – 14.29%
  • NOTA – 14.29%

Ohio

  • Gary Johnson – 80%
  • Jesse Ventura – 20%

Oklahoma

  • Jesse Ventura – 100%

Oregon

  • NOTA – 100%

Pennsylvania

  • Gary Johnson – 87.5%
  • NOTA – 12.5%

South Carolina

  • Jim Gray – 100%

Tennessee

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

Texas

  • Gary Johnson – 46.15%
  • NOTA – 23.08%
  • Phil Davison – 0.77%
  • George Phillies – 0,77%
  • Jesse Ventura – 0.77%

Utah

  • Gary Johnson – 50%
  • Jesse Ventura – 50%

Virginia

  • Gary Johnson – 80%
  • Jesse Ventura – 20%

Washington

  • Gary Johnson – 50%
  • George Phillies – 50%

West Virginia

  • Gary Johnson – 50%
  • Jesse Ventura – 50%

Wisconsin

  • Gary Johnson – 100%

As analysis continues, follow Saturn’s Repository for updates.

96 thoughts on “State-by-State Results of IPR’s 2016 LP Presidential Preference Poll

  1. Mark Axinn

    I continue to be amazed that anyone could consider Ventura to be a Libertarian.

    At what point in his career did he ever do anything remotely libertarian?

  2. Andy

    “Steven Wilson November 1, 2013 at 9:01 am
    I hope the field improves in the next year or so.”

    Me too.

  3. Andy

    I’ve been disappointed with the field of candidates for the Libertarian Party’s Presidential nomination the last two election cycles. Hopefully we’ll see some improvement in the field for 2016.

  4. Andy

    “Jed Ziggler (@JedZiggler) November 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    I would vote for any one of these candidates over any of the Republocrats. Yes, even Milnes.”

    This does not say much given the type of people the D’s and R’s nominate for President.

  5. Robert Capozzi

    WR. People care, but since taxes went down in NM in the GJ years and you refused to engage the point, are we to assume you have an axe to grind?

  6. Ventura Watch 2016

    @1 Mark — Gov. Ventura has been a spokesman for the leading liberty issue, which is 9/11 truth. Exposure of 9/11 truth dismantles the police state and restores liberty. It’s also worth noting that to that end, Gov. Ventura sued the TSA & feds over Fourth amendment violations. Hope this helps.

  7. Robert Capozzi

    Vw. Even if it is true, please explain how it dismantles? Do you overstate in your speculation?

  8. Joe Wendt

    I think this state by state break down is good news for George Phillies’ potential candidacy. He tied with Johnson in two states, and tied with Johnson, Ventura, and Gray in one state. Phillies may be the one to watch in 2016.

  9. LibertarianGirl

    plus I would vot for George Phillies because I love his performance improvement from last time and i may have missed this vote, but I voted for him in another poll, and i live in NV

  10. Jill Pyeatt

    Okay, I just have to say it: I’ve been hearing rumblings of people saying that Wayne Allyn Root wants to come back, and I just now say a “Wayne Allyn Root” for President FB page. Can there possibly be truth to that? I thought Wayne was going to run for the Senate in Nevada?

  11. Ventura Watch 2016

    Statist moron Phillies is still clamoring for the establishment vote, I see. It won’t do him any good if Gov. Johnson runs again, however. There is little reason for delegates to vote for an establishment/hobo quadrant candidate like Philles when there’s also an establishment/functional candidate. And if Root joins in, crypto-Democrat Phillies will have to split the establishment/hobo vote along a third, left/right axis as well.

    Hopefully radical/functional Ventura voters will flood the conovention and overwhelm the brainwashed-statist, establishment-voting delgates.

  12. Jill Pyeatt

    Of course, we still have no idea if Ventura will show up at the convention, since we won’t have ballot access in 50 states at that time for him, and most certainly won’t have a spot for him in every debate. Based on what he’s said so far, he will NOT show up.

  13. Jill Pyeatt

    I’ve seen it on the Pennsylvania LP page where some people said he ‘d come back if the LP asked nicely. Then another page, I don’t remember where, saying he was dying to come back. And now the WAR for President 2016 page

  14. Bondurant

    Ventura supports Obamacare and his desired running mate supports gun control, Obamacare, laws about what kinds of foods people can eat and funding Israeli’s military. Jesse is welcome to the convention but he does not stand a chance in securing the LP nomination. Ventura Watch 2016 can troll and bash legitimate Libertarians all he wants but the rank-and-file party members are not single issue voters and Ventura cannot deliver the goods on many other issues.

  15. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt November 2, 2013 at 9:32 pm
    I’ve seen it on the Pennsylvania LP page where some people said he ‘d come back if the LP asked nicely. Then another page, I don’t remember where, saying he was dying to come back. And now the WAR for President 2016 page”

    Uuuugggggggggg!!!

  16. Ventura Watch 2016

    @Bondurant – Ventura does not support Obamacare. This is an establishment smear; the kind of trolling expected from a brainwashed-statist establishmentarian.

  17. Matt Cholko

    That’s just a group of Root supporters. Doesn’t seem to be sanctioned by WAR himself. So, I don’t know that it means anything as far a return to the LP is concerned.

  18. Jill Pyeatt

    I just looked at it, too. Hopefully, he’s still quite happy and at home with the Republican Party. He’s got a sure job for the next three years in writing about Obama. I’m sure they’re all still a very good fit.

  19. Jill Pyeatt

    George, CLC and Ventura Watch have very different IP addresses, so I don’t this it’s the same person, although it occurred to me as well.

  20. Ventura Watch 2016

    Meet Jill Pyeatt, everybody — the LP Shadow Cabinet candidate for NSA director!

  21. Bondurant

    Actually, Ventura Watch 2016, Jesse went on the Piers Morgan show and made comments about being able to fund healthcare if we weren’t at war. To me that sounds a lot like “let’s fund healthcare instead of war”. He’s not saying “I’ll let you keep your money and you choose”. He did say he has no opinion of Obamacare but made the above comment right after. It doesn’t matther, though. It’s obvious your desire is to troll instead of promoting Jesse Ventura. You’re just having a bit of fun and that’s okay.

  22. Andy

    Jesse Ventura is not a hardcore libertarian, but he is somewhat libertarian, and he has become more libertarian since he has been out of political office.

    Jesse has some of the same problems as Gary Johnson, in that neither are hardcore libertarians.

    I think that a lot of Libertarian Party members who voted for Gary Johnson at the LP National Convention in 2012 knew that he was not a hardcore libertarian, but they voted for him anyway because they thought that he’s got at least some fame and name recognition, and they thought that he was “libertarian enough,” plus the other candidates for the LP’s presidential nomination had jokes that were masquerading as “campaigns” for the nomination. So for a lot of Libertarian Party members, it was either vote for a guy who at least has something to put down on a job resume that is not a gross exaggeration, and who can run something that at least resembles a political campaign, and who is at least somewhat of a libertarian, or, you can vote for some pathetic nobody with a complete joke of a political campaign who could not “political outreach” or fundraise their way out of a homeless shelter, and who has to engage in gross exaggerations on their job resume to cover up the fact that they have basically done nothing with their lives.

    Given the pathetic list of choices, most delegates chose the person who at least has a resume and who had something that at least looked like a political campaign.

    I was a delegate at the LP National Convention in 2012, and I chose to do a protest vote, because I did not like any of the candidates. I was having a hard time deciding if my protest vote should go to None of the Above, or if my protest vote should go to a person who was not even a declared candidate for the nomination. I also thought about writing in Doug Stanhope or Alex Jones or Andrew Napolitano or Ron Paul. After much deliberation, I decided to cast my protest vote for Ron Paul. Maybe I should have written in Doug Stanhope instead, as it could have been a commentary on what a joke the nomination process was that time, and heck, Stanhope could have actually been a better candidate that anyone who was there that day. Maybe I should have written in Alex Jones as that would have gotten some “Ewws and ahhhs” form all of the LP’s candy asses who want to look “mainstream” and “respectable” to their non-libertarian family, friends, neighbors, and co-works, and I’m sure the government plants in the LP would have “loved” that one, as in, “Oh no, we can’t talk about 9/11 or any other government false flag operations, or FEMA camps, or whether or not the law as written requires most people to file income taxes or use SSN’s, our handlers back at CIA/FBI/NSA headquarters don’t approve of that. Tell everyone to look the other way, and deride anyone who questions official government stories as kooks and crackpots.” I figured that casting a write in vote for either Ron Paul or Andrew Napolitano would be votes for people who’d actually have won the nomination with ease even if they had shown up unannounced. Since Ron Paul actually was a candidate for President that year, and since most of the people at the LP National Convention wanted Ron Paul to be there vying for the nomination, I decided to cast my protest vote for Ron Paul, who narrowly edged out my casting a protest vote for None of the Above.

    Hopefully by the time the 2016 LP National Convention comes around, there will be some better candidates. It would be nice to see some who are actually hardcore libertarians, and who can actually run something that at least resembles a political campaign, and who actually are capable of doing political outreach beyond preaching those that are already Libertarian Party members at tiny meetings and posting on internet forums that hardly anyone reads.

    Jesse Ventura would bring some much needed name recognition/celebrity status and charisma to the race for President. I think that he does hold libertarian views on a lot of issues, however, he’s got some holes in his libertarian philosophy as well. Given the last two LP candidates for President, Bob Barr – a person whom most libertarians no longer even regard as being a libertarian at all, and who most will admit was a mistake to nominate for President in the first place, and Gary Johnson – who I’d wager most Libertarians would admit is only a Libertarian Lite, would Jesse Ventura really be that bad? He’s world’s better than Bob Barr. Sure, he’s got holes in his libertarian philosophy, but so does Gary Johnson. If Libertarian Party members are looking for fame and charisma, Jesse Venture has a lot more of that than Gary Johnson has.

    Ideally, I’d like to spend some time hanging around with Jesse Ventura to see if I could fill in some of the areas where he is lacking before he ran for the LP nomination, or perhaps send Jesse Ventura to one of those programs at the Mises Institute. Maybe Jesse could hang out with that Libertarian pro wrestler, Kane (aka-Glenn Jacobs), who is more solid on libertarian philosophy than Jesse Ventura is, and maybe some of that would rub off on him. I met Kane/Glenn Jacobs in person at the 2008 LP National Convention, and I asked him if he knew Jesse Ventura. He said that he did not really know him. He’d met him briefly in passing, but never really had the chance to spend any time with him. I also asked him if he was interested in running for President, or for any other office. He said that he was not sure if he could run for President or not, because he was born in Spain, as his father was in the military, and was stationed in Spain when he was born. Both of his parents are American citizens, and I think he was born on an American military base, so I think he could run, but anyway, he said that he does not really like politicians, so he felt a bit uncomfortable with the idea of becoming one, however, he also said that he would not rule out running for office in the future, although he might run for a lower level office instead of running for President if he were to run for anything. Unfortunately, Kane/Glenn Jacobs is not as well known as Jesse Ventura is, but he is more solid on libertarian philosophy than Jesse Ventura.

    So Jesse Ventura as the Libertarian Party’s candidate for President? Hey, he’s better than Bob Barr and not really any worse than Gary Johnson.

  23. Andy

    I’m thinking that Andrew Napolitano might be the most famous person (outside of Ron Paul) who has “respectable” and “mainstream” credentials, and who displays a solid grasp of libertarian issues/philosophy, and who is a good public speaker. Anyone know if he has any interest in running for the LP Presidential nomination?

  24. Jill Pyeatt

    I would love for someone to pursue Andrew Napolitano. I believe there’s already a group of Republicans trying to recruit him.

    I don’t dislike Jesse Ventura, although I have concerns that he doesn’t really understand Libertarianism, such as Andy explained. I really didn’t even mean to be snarky with Ventura Watch. Every single time Jesse talks about being our Presidential candidate, he says that about ballot access, and we all know that we won’t have all 50 states ready by the time of the nominating convention. I suppose pointing that out made me Negative Nellie–er rather, NSA Surveillance Queen.

  25. Stewart Flood

    Root will come back if we ask nicely? Ok then…

    Wayne, will you pretty please (with sugar on it) come back to the LP so that we can KICK YOU OUT!!!

    Was that nice enough?

    No?

    Ok…how about…

    Wayne…Wayne…Wayne…we told you they were a bunch of statists. But you drank the cool-aid and chickened out…not that we’re calling you chicken…but the other word next to “chickened” was “out” and since you are “out” of the LP…could you please close the door to that little room you are sitting in where the GOP puts people that they can’t ever trust again? You’re letting hot air escape and causing global warming!!! Thanks!!!

  26. Stewart Flood

    As far as this poll goes, exactly what is the margin of error and how accurate is the reporting? I remember taking the poll, and while Judge Gray was my SECOND choice the results for my state (South Carolina) say that he received 100% of the votes.

    What’s up Doc? Someone playing with the hanging chads again?

  27. Stewart Flood

    And a legitimate poll would not include Milnes or anyone even 1/2 as crazy as he is. Let’s run a real LP poll…then report it in IPR…

  28. William Saturn Post author

    One person with an identifiable IP from South Carolina voted in the poll. That individual selected Jim Gray. This was simply a poll of IPR readers. It does not claim to be scientific. But it was fair because it had a clear criteria explained in the text. Excluding candidates who fit that clear criteria would simply limit the choices for voters, leaving the poll unfair. If YOU don’t like Milnes, then YOU don’t have to vote for him.

  29. Joe Wendt

    I think after the hype about Johnson (remember, they claimed they could win 5% in order to win matching funds; why a libertarian would want government money idk) that didn’t the promised results, perhaps the LP should nominate a real libertarian like George Phillies. Ventura would be great, but he’s demanding alot and isn’t offering anything in terms of party building. At least with George Phillies (or Lee Wrights, Ruwart, etc) as the nominee, they’ll focus on building the party. I’m happy to see Phillies tied in 4 states, and I hope that encourages him to run.

  30. Stewart Flood

    Ahhh…identifiable IP addresses? I voted using the AT&T connection on my iPad. I know, from previous experience, that the AT&T IP address pool can make me “appear” to be anywhere from Florida to Virginia and west into Oklahoma, without ever leaving my apartment. IP location does not work reliably. I know that at least four people from South Carolina voted in the poll, yet there was only one identified as from my state.

    Of course this does not negate any value that the overall vote counts may provide, but this clearly demonstrates that the state by state report is not accurate.

    Candidates? An interesting topic. I haven’t actually given that much thought to who might run.

  31. Steve M

    given the percentages implying a very small number of people participating this whole discussion seems irrelevant.

    So if there are any candidates for president then they should spend the next 3 to 4 years touring the country, speaking to libertarians and gathering support.

  32. Andy

    Stewart Flood said: “Wayne….Wayne…Wayne…we told you they were a bunch of statists. But you drank the cool-aid and chickened out…not that we’re calling you chicken…but the other word next to ‘chickened’ was ‘out’ and since you are ‘out’ of the LP…could you please close the door to that little room you are sitting in where the GOP puts people that they can’t ever trust again? You’re letting hot air escape and causing global warming!!! Thanks!!!”

    It sounds like Wayne Root may end up an outcast in the GOP, much like Benedict Arnold ended up as in England after his betrayal for the American Revolutionaries.

  33. Andy

    “Stewart Flood November 3, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    And a legitimate poll would not include Milnes or anyone even 1/2 as crazy as he is. Let’s run a real LP poll…then report it in IPR…”

    The problem with including Robert Milnes is not only the question of his sanity, or lack thereof, but also the fact that he’s never demonstrated that he has any supporters in the Libertarian Party.

    I do remember hearing at the 2008 LP National Convention in Denver that he should have fronted some expense money to Robert Milnes so he could afford to travel to the national convention, but this was only so he’d have more comedic material.

  34. William Saturn Post author

    Stewart,

    As is written in the article text, for the reason you mention, cell phone IP addresses were not considered for the purposes of the state-by-state results.

    Steve M,

    As is written in the article text, 166 individuals took part in the poll. The result is nothing more than a reflection of IPR reader preferences.

  35. Stewart Flood

    I didn’t catch the part about cell phones. What percentage of responses were from mobile devices? That, in itself, might be an interesting statistic.

  36. Andy

    “I do remember hearing at the 2008 LP National Convention in Denver that he should have fronted some expense money to Robert Milnes so he could afford to travel to the national convention, but this was only so he’d have more comedic material.”

    Whoops, just to clarify here, it was Doug Stanhope who said this. Milnes would have provided him with great comedic material.

  37. Andy

    Here’s an episode of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura that everyone in America should watch. This episode was only broadcast one time and then it was mysteriously pulled from re-broadcast. Incidentally, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura has been canceled. The show must have been letting too much truth out to the public.

    Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura – Police State episode:

  38. Andy

    If the government would spy on and send infiltrators into a peace group, one has got to wonder if the government would not do the same thing with the Libertarian Party. Actually, one does even have to wonder if the government would not spy on the Libertarian, because they have already been caught doing it, such as the article I posted on this site a while a back about the Denver police department keeping spy files on the Libertarian Party, and another news story that I posted here a while back about how Department of Homeland Security Fusion Centers in Arkansas admitted that they spy on Americans who hold views that they consider to be “anti-government.” or another news story that I posted here a while back about how the Department of Homeland Security got caught spying on pro-liberty activists in Pennsylvania. So we really already know that the government spies on the Libertarian Party. The next question is, do they take it a step further and send infiltrators into the Libertarian Party to act as informants and/or saboteurs and/or provocateurs, and if so, who are these people?

    Read the article that I posted below. The government had an agent inside this peace group in Washington. The government agent successfully infiltrated the group (not hard to do), befriended activists, and even became an organizer within the group. The government infiltrator won the trust of group members, and people within the group did not even suspect him of being a plant. This is similar to other news stories I’ve read about government plants being discovered in an organization. A familiar response from group members is along the lines of, “I never would have suspected this person. I thought he/she was a friend. I thought they were one of us. They showed up at every meeting and were active volunteers in the group. I’m shocked that they would betray us like this.”

    Is it really such a stretch of the imagination to ask if the same thing does not happen in the Libertarian Party?

    Declassified Docs Reveal Military Operative Spied on WA Peace Group

    I wonder how many people like this plant mentioned below we’ve got showing up at Libertarian Party meetings. I wonder if any of them have burrowed themselves into positions on the LNC or any state executive committees or on any other positions within the party.

    Exert from the link posted below (note that “John Jacob” ended up being outed as government infiltrator, John Towery):

    BRENDAN MASLAUSKAS DUNN: John Jacob was actually a close friend of mine, so this week has been pretty difficult for me. He was — he said he was an anarchist. I met him over two years ago through community organizing and antiwar organizing I was involved with in Tacoma and Olympia with other anarchists and other activists.

    And he was really interested in Students for a Democratic Society. He wanted to start a chapter of Movement for a Democratic Society, which is connected to SDS. He got involved with Port Militarization Resistance, with Iraq Vets Against the War. He was — you know, knew a lot of people involved with that organization.

    But he was a friend of mine. We hung out. We gave workshops together on grassroots direct democracy and anarchist struggle. I mean, he was a friend. A lot of people really, really did like him. He was a kind person. He was a generous person. So it was really just a shock for me this week when all of this was determined.”

    Click the link below for more:

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/28/broadcast_exclusive_declassified_docs_reveal_military

  39. Andy

    “would not spy on the Libertarian,”

    Should read, “would not spy on the Libertarian Party…”

  40. Robert Capozzi

    a: I wonder how many of these people exist in the Libertarian Party and movement?

    me: All of them, except you. 😉 We are ALL out to get YOU. 😉

  41. Andy

    “Robert Capozzi November 4, 2013 at 10:07 pm
    a: I wonder how many of these people exist in the Libertarian Party and movement?

    me: All of them, except you. 😉 We are ALL out to get YOU. 😉 ”

    You can make light of this subject if you want, but this does not mean that there is not any truth to it. The most likely scenario is that most of the people in the Libertarian Party and movement are “on the up and up” and the informant/saboteur/provocateur plants are just a few key people in a few key places, because this is all that it would take to set the party and movement back.

  42. Jill Pyeatt

    Robert, go ahead and make fun. I’m 100 % on Andy with this one. I’ll go so far as to say much of the trollage the last few months here on IPR has likely been people paid to disrupt us. I don’t think it’s paranoia; I think it means we’re getting somewhere.

  43. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt November 4, 2013 at 10:22 pm
    Robert, go ahead and make fun. I’m 100 % on Andy with this one. I’ll go so far as to say much of the trollage the last few months here on IPR has likely been people paid to disrupt us. I don’t think it’s paranoia; I think it means we’re getting somewhere.”

    It has been exposed that the government hires people to troll online. I would not be a bit surprised if paid government shills have popped up on this site.

  44. Andy

    This report is from Canada, but the same thing applies in this country.

    Confirmed Government employing Internet Trolls Shills and Agents for Facebook and YouTube

  45. Andy

    Note that in the story below, not only did the FBI spy on and raid some Minneapolis area anti-war activist groups, they also sent in plants to infiltrate these groups.

    FBI: Don’t Spy on Us Say Minneapolis Activists

  46. Andy

    Exert from the description of the video posted below:

    “Karen Sullivan” babysat their kids, chaired their committee meetings, and even balanced their books. All the while, she was working for the FBI and spying on the people that called her friend. On Wednesday the Anti-War Committee which was a target of the FBI raids on September 24, 2010, revealed that FBI informant “Karen Sullivan” had infiltrated the group two-and-a-half years ago. She was involved in most major committee work, had a key to the office (used by the FBI on September 24) and had worked on the financial accounts.

    Undercover FBI Informant Infiltrates Peace Movement

  47. William Saturn Post author

    Stewart: “What percentage of responses were from mobile devices? That, in itself, might be an interesting statistic.”

    I counted 18 cell phone votes out of 166 votes. About 11%.

  48. paulie

    George, CLC and Ventura Watch have very different IP addresses, so I don’t this it’s the same person, although it occurred to me as well.

    That means nothing. They are IP anonymizers or VPNs, or the same person using different devices, etc. Nor does having the same IP means it is the same person.

  49. paulie

    Ventura supports Obamacare and his desired running mate supports gun control, Obamacare, laws about what kinds of foods people can eat and funding Israeli’s military. Jesse is welcome to the convention but he does not stand a chance in securing the LP nomination. Ventura Watch 2016 can troll and bash legitimate Libertarians all he wants but the rank-and-file party members are not single issue voters and Ventura cannot deliver the goods on many other issues.

    Good points, and on the money.

  50. paulie

    Statist moron Phillies is still clamoring for the establishment vote, I see. It won’t do him any good if Gov. Johnson runs again, however. There is little reason for delegates to vote for an establishment/hobo quadrant candidate like Philles when there’s also an establishment/functional candidate. And if Root joins in, crypto-Democrat Phillies will have to split the establishment/hobo vote along a third, left/right axis as well.

    Hopefully radical/functional Ventura voters will flood the conovention and overwhelm the brainwashed-statist, establishment-voting delgates.

    This dysfunctional categorizing style is played out. The joke is long past being over and was never funny to begin with;. Please cease and desist in using this malicious and played out categorizing style outside the “special” thread set up to discuss it.

  51. paulie

    I see Ventura Watch is CLC in disguise, or vice versa.

    Quite obviously. And it is not welcome at IPR, outside the one thread.

  52. paulie

    Jesse Ventura is not a hardcore libertarian, but he is somewhat libertarian, and he has become more libertarian since he has been out of political office.

    I see no evidence of this. He claimed to be 100/100 libertarian back then too, although his record was nothing close.

    Jesse has some of the same problems as Gary Johnson, in that neither are hardcore libertarians.

    I think there’s a huge difference. Johnson’s record is clearly much more libertarian. And he has a record of an LP run; Ventura has sometimes hinted at it, but there’s yet to be any proof he will actually run at all, or run LP even if he does run.

  53. paulie

    I’m thinking that Andrew Napolitano might be the most famous person (outside of Ron Paul) who has “respectable” and “mainstream” credentials, and who displays a solid grasp of libertarian issues/philosophy, and who is a good public speaker. Anyone know if he has any interest in running for the LP Presidential nomination?

    Very unlikely. Rand Paul will be running for the Republican nomination, and may hope to have a realistic shot at VP. Napolitano will not run against him, or give any appearance of running against him.

  54. paulie

    LOL, Stewart–all three of your comments are excellent!

    Agreed.

    One person with an identifiable IP from South Carolina voted in the poll

    IPs don’t necessarily correspond to the state the person is actually in. It’s a lot more complicated than that.

    Be careful what you wish for.: Ventura is David Cobb and Pat Buchanan.

    What in the world does that mean?

    Margin of error is +/- 100%

    These polls are good for stimulating conversation, not much else.

    Bingo, and right again!

    So if there are any candidates for president then they should spend the next 3 to 4 years touring the country, speaking to libertarians and gathering support.

    Yes, and also to non-libertarians and latent libertarians as well.

  55. Andy

    “I see no evidence of this. He claimed to be 100/100 libertarian back then too, although his record was nothing close.”

    I think that there is evidence of this. Jesse Ventura sued the TSA. He’s been an outspoken opponent against the wars in Iraq and Afganistan, the Patriot Act, and NSA domestic spying. He’s spoken out in favor of gun rights (such as during his appearance on Piers Morgan’s show). He also endorsed and campaign for Gary Johnson. These are just a few examples.

  56. Andy

    Andrew Napolitano gets it rights here (as usual), and I’ve lost a lot of respect for John Stossel over this one.

    Andrew Napolitano vs. John Stossel on NSA Spying

  57. Trent Hill

    Ventura isn’t very libertarian and his 9/11 truth (and other conspiracy shit) will rule him out of being considered “serious”. With that said, he’d bring a lot of attention (I’d say negative attention, but hey, that’s a judgement call!)

    Johnson and Gray are good candidates and the LP should be rushing to embrace them. If Johnson is smart, he’ll try to run for Senate as a Republican, though, so that he can actually win.

    The rest of the field is just nobodies.

  58. paulie

    It wouldn’t be smart for Johnson to go back to Republicans. I don’t think conspiracy talk would eliminate Ventura for the LP nomination, but issues like supporting Obamacare might. However, what’s even more likely to eliminate him is that the highest likelihood is he will not run for the nomination at all.

  59. Andy

    “Trent Hill November 7, 2013 at 3:30 am
    Ventura isn’t very libertarian and his 9/11 truth (and other conspiracy shit) will rule him out of being considered ‘serious'”

    By who? Conformists who are not likely to vote for any minor party or independent candidate anyway.

    Ventura has a huge following, and millions of Americans do not believe the official government stories about the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc…

  60. Darcy G Richardson

    I remember this poll. Though I’m not a member of the LP, I remember being torn between George Phillies, Darryl W. Perry and Warren Redlich — the only three genuine libertarians listed as options in the survey. I deeply respect all three men and really wanted to vote for each of them.

    As a Floridian, I ended my dilemma by deciding to cast my ballot for a “favorite son” candidate, the only Libertarian who had the audacity to remind his fellow party members of the profligate spending that took place during Gary Johnson’s tenure as governor of New Mexico — runaway spending courtesy of federal largesse. Thanks to federal taxpayers, it really was a “Land of Enchantment” back then. In fact, there was only one other state in the country that received more federal funding, per capita, during Johnson’s eight years in office than the state of New Mexico.

    That’s an indisputable fact.

    In any case, I also deeply respected Warren for his valiant campaign for governor of New York in 2010, a candidacy that might have easily earned the Libertarian Party permanent ballot status in the Empire State were it not for a vicious dirty trick masterminded by one of the sleaziest men in American politics — a guy, ironically enough, now being championed by party members in Warren’s adopted Sunshine State.

  61. Darcy G Richardson

    It’ll be hilarious, yet fittingly appropriate, if it turns out that the Libertarian Party of Florida — coming off its strongest statewide showing ever — was being undermined by dirty trickster Roger Stone, the GOP’s most sensational saboteur…

    “But he was an advisor to Gary Johnson,” naïve party leaders will probably say in protest.

    Yeah, that was a convenient conversion — a way to draw another paycheck without really doing anything — but what about the previous forty years of his life?

    As colorful as he might be, Roger Stone is and always was a political dirty trickster.

    Proceed at your own peril…

  62. paulie

    Since Warren and George aren’t running, I guess that would leave Darryl for you. Although it would be…interesting…if Warren primaried Stone.

    Regarding Stone being an advisor to Johnson, Johnson and Nielson want nothing else to do with him, but are too afraid to invite his wrath by denouncing him in public. We haven’t made the proof public, a lot of which is my fault, but Stone worked hard to sabotage Johnson in the crucial last week or several of the campaign for president and in the aftermath. A lot of the negative spin about Nielson’s “creative” FEC filing started with Stone. He was mad that he wasn’t getting more money, or that his advice wasn’t followed on how to run the campaign, or that Johnson didn’t fire Nielson and replace him with Stone.

    Regarding spending in New Mexico when Johnson was Governor, how does it compare with NM governors before and after him? Although Johnson is known for vetoing a lot of spending, he didn’t veto as much as he wishes he had, and he did have a 2-1 Democratic majority legislature as a Republican governor, so there is that.

    I agree with you completely about Warren vs Stone in NY. Warren was 100% right, Stone was 100% wrong. What’s the status of the lawsuit, has it ever been settled or adjudicated? Kristin Davis sure turned out to be a bust.

  63. Andy

    “We haven’t made the proof public, a lot of which is my fault, but Stone worked hard to sabotage Johnson in the crucial last week or several of the campaign for president and in the aftermath.”

    What exactly did Roger Stone do to sabotage the Gary Johnson for President campaign?

  64. paulie

    Spun negative and misleading stories about Johnson finances from the FEC reports that killed fundraising in the late-breaking campaign and have been making their rounds ever since. Put the most damaging spin possible on it and made sure it made the rounds, mostly using a bunch of fake names, but I traced the pattern back to him.

  65. Andy Craig

    So that’s where that came from.

    Well that sours me on him much more than having a Nixon tattoo.

  66. Andy Craig

    New Mexico has a very large and expensive national research center, a plethora of military facilities, historically has one of the highest poverty rates, a ton of of tribal reservations, a lot of national parks, and is a border state. None of those are things Gary Johnson had any control over, if you’re looking at total federal spending in New Mexico.

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