Wayne Root: Democrats are using Libertarians to hurt the GOP

2008 Libertarian presidential nominee Wayne Allyn Root was a guest on The Blaze TV on Nov. 6th; he discussed the Virginia gubernatorial election as well as the reason why he left the LP in 2011.

 

62 thoughts on “Wayne Root: Democrats are using Libertarians to hurt the GOP

  1. Gene Berkman

    Maybe Wayne Root should attack Bob Barr for supporting the re-election of Sen. Russ Feingold in 2010. Mr Barr apparently supported Sen.Feingold because of his support for civil liberties, including his opposition to the Patriot Act.

    Sen. Feingold lost, but really Wayne should attack people who support Democrats, if he is going to be such a crybaby over the election.

  2. Chuck Moulton

    What an ass!!! I see he’s following Republican talking points even when they conflict with the overwhelming evidence of documented facts. Picking up the phone for 5 minutes or sending me an email could have disabused him of his wildly wrong information about the Virginia governor’s race.

    Good riddance!

    This whole episode has really opened my eyes to the depths to which Republicans will engage in intellectual dishonesty if their filthy lies futher the goal of marginalizing libertarians and electing socially crazy bigots.

  3. Jill Pyeatt

    It certainly shows what disdain he still has for those of us Libertarians who care about social issues.

    I certainly hope there’s nothing to the rumors that he wants to come back. It certainly doesn’t sound like it here.

  4. Dave Terry

    Clearly, Mr. Root doesn’t understand (never did) that the LP is an “equal opportunity” spoiler.
    We dissuade voters from voting Democratic OR Republican.

    BTW; Root was the 2008 VICE-presidential nominee of the LP, NOT the PRESIDENTIAL nominee. Not that he would have been any worse than Barr, the actual nominee.

  5. paulie

    This whole episode has really opened my eyes to the depths to which Republicans will engage in intellectual dishonesty if their filthy lies futher the goal of marginalizing libertarians and electing socially crazy bigots.

    I’m glad it did. But just wait and see what else they have up their sleeve, because it will open your eyes even more!

  6. Jill Pyeatt

    I was amused at the way he told the interviewer he could have been our 2012 nominee for President if he’d run. I believe he didn’t run because he knew he couldn’t win the nomination–everyone was all hot for Johnson.

  7. paulie

    The worst revelation was the libertarian Republicans were leading the charge.

    Yes, that part sucks.

    Hope you are getting ready to fight top two or some other such scheme coming down the pike at you.

    As for truly nasty politics…just wait until the Democrats perceive us as a serious threat, especially the government unions.

  8. Steve M

    I suspect the “tea party” Republicans are in a quandary.

    Top two would have forced the Republicans to use a primary and the indications are that Cuccinelli would have lost the nomination to Bolling.

    They could raise the number of petitions that 3rd party candidate has to submit to a percentage of the vote in the last election, but I can’t imagine that requiring the 7% that would be needed to keep the Libertarians off after this election would be defensible in court or that the Democratic Governor would allow the bill to pass.

    On the “libertarian” Republicans, I have doubts about them actually being libertarian. On some issues yes on some definitely not. They may be shooting themselves in the foot by attacking the Libertarian Party in such an obviously false way. This may end up being a case of every time they mention us they make more people aware of our existence. The old no news is bad news.

    So maybe a thanks is in order…. Please Conservative commentators keep talking about us. We are not shy and have no problem talking back in any forum you open up to us.

  9. George Whitfield

    I had hoped for the best when Wayne Allyn Root joined the LP. Although I was wary of him, I tried to be welcoming. Now I hope he stays with the Republicans for a very long time.

  10. Stewart Flood

    Liar to the core. He lied to Liberarians, and he lied about 2012 and any chance of his winning the nomination. He is a con-artist.

    So we’re secretly democrats? Just because we believe in personal choice and personal responsibility? Wow.

  11. Steve M

    If only polls were 100% accurate.

    Bolling had considerable resources behind him that Cuccinelli didn’t such as cash.

    In Virginia, primaries are open so that anyone can vote in any one party.

    Given that Bolling had the cash, support among the establishment republicans, a more moderate appeal and that independents could vote in the primary it was no sure thing that Cuccinelli would win. If he was going to win in a primary then switching to a convention was very foolish because it got many of the establishment Republicans to sit it out and leave their cash in their pockets. Allowing, McAuliffe to out spend him in the general election.

    I suppose you could argue that even if he won the Primary, Cuccinelli wasn’t going to get the support of many of the establishment Republicans and the cost of the primary would have depleted his resources for the general election.

    I think that becomes the same issue for a top two primary system though. The conservative Republicans have to worry about independents voting for moderate Republicans cutting the conservatives out the General election.

  12. Gene Berkman

    After watching the video, I must point out that at several points, Wayne Root defends the right of libertarians to run candidates. He honestly points out the Libertarian positions on social issues that distinguish them from Republicans. And he makes the point that the vote belongs to the voter, and not to the parties.

    So in fact he was able to sneak in Libertarian talking points even as his host only wanted to simultaneously attack Libertarians as liberal democrats in disguise, and denounce Libertarians for not supporting the Republicans that they are so close to.

  13. Jill Pyeatt

    That was good that he said that Republicans didn’t own their votes, I’ll agree with that.

  14. Richard Winger

    Steve M, it is a myth that open primaries produce more moderate Republican nominees. On October 16, both houses of Congress voted on HR 2775. A yes vote meant the federal government would re-open. Only 31.9% of the Republican members of both houses of Congress from open primaries voted to re-open the government. 59.0% of the Republicans from semi-closed primary states voted to re-open the government. 54.2% of the Republicans from top-two states voted to re-open the government. 44.9% of the Republicans from closed primary states voted to re-open the government. (A semi-closed primary is one in which independents can vote in any party’s primary they wish, but party members are confined to voting in their own party’s primary).

  15. Thomas Knapp

    “Why interview him on anything outside of gambling?”

    Why interview him on gambling? That would be like interviewing Charles Ponzi on investing.

  16. Steve M

    Richard, I am not arguing that top two produce more moderate candidates, I am arguing that candidates who are afraid of open primaries would be unlikely to move to a system that requires open primaries.

    I am also arguing that it is not a forgone conclusion that Cuccinelli would have won a primary battle that didn’t happen. Bolling might have been trailing in the polls but the campaign hadn’t even started.

    Putting Cuccinelli aside do you think E.W. Jackson would have won a primary battle to get the Republican nomination for Lieutenant Governor?

    chesapeakeliaison.com/2012/06/16/rumored-virginia-lieutenant-governor-candidates-in-2013/

  17. Rosebud

    I don’t understand the headline.

    It seems to quote Mr. Root as saying “Democrats are using Libertarians to hurt the GOP”. It has his name, a colon, and quote marks, as though that’s verbatim what he said.

    Can someone either point me to where in the video he said that, or else correct the false quote attribution in the headline? I didn’t hear that quote. I did, however hear him say around 4:10 that it wouldn’t make sense for Libertarians to help elect socialists. And he’s not saying it like he thinks that’s what happened here. He’s saying it like he thinks it’s silly to allege that they would.

    This is why IPR bears no resemblance to journalism.

  18. Andy

    “Chuck Moulton November 7, 2013 at 3:59 pm
    What an ass!!! I see he’s following Republican talking points even when they conflict with the overwhelming evidence of documented facts. Picking up the phone for 5 minutes or sending me an email could have disabused him of his wildly wrong information about the Virginia governor’s race.

    Good riddance!”

    What I think is really sad is that there were enough Libertarian Party members who bought into this guy that he was able to be the LP’s Vice Presidential candidate in 2008 and that he was able to get elected to the Libertarian National Committee.

    I hope that all Libertarians who are really Libertarians and who voted for Root will think long and hard about who they vote for at future LP conventions.

  19. langa

    If you were to take a drink each time that Root brags about how many media appearances he’s done, by the end of the video, you would be in a coma.

  20. paulie

    It seems to quote Mr. Root as saying “Democrats are using Libertarians to hurt the GOP”. It has his name, a colon, and quote marks, as though that’s verbatim what he said.

    Can someone either point me to where in the video he said that, or else correct the false quote attribution in the headline?

    If it’s not an exact quote it should not be in quote marks.

    This is why IPR bears no resemblance to journalism.

    If you think MSM never misquotes people you are sadly mistaken. At least here you can watch the video and judge for yourself and we also can and do edit articles after the fact thanks to reader suggestions.

    If you were to take a drink each time that Root brags about how many media appearances he’s done, by the end of the video, you would be in a coma.

    Fortunately I do that with all his media clips so I have a pretty high tolerance by now. Wait, is that fortunate?

  21. langa

    Paulie, I’m not sure if drinking that much is a good idea in general, but I’m sure it helps when listening to a long Root interview.

    Personally, I could barely tolerate that 8-minute interview, even though I actually had just had a couple of drinks right before I listened to it.

  22. paulie

    , I’m not sure if drinking that much is a good idea in general,

    No, it’s not. Especially with my high blood pressure, sleep apnea and other health problems. I am going to have to quit being such a screw up and try to get healthy. Probably TMI but it helps me to say it openly, maybe I can force myself to make some changes this way.

  23. LibertarianGirl

    “I’m Wayne Root , Son of a butcher , Goldwater Republican , Columbia , never saw Obama,books I’ve written , Media I’ve attained , Walk of Fame, I reallllly hate Obama , buy my book”….—-every Wayne Root speech ever

  24. paulie

    Have I mentioned today ho much I love Wes Benedict?

    Dunno. Does his wife read IPR? 😛 (just kidding. I’m in a weird mood).

  25. langa

    I am going to have to quit being such a screw up and try to get healthy.

    I know the feeling, although my problems have less to do with alcohol, and more with junk food.

  26. Jill Pyeatt

    Yeah, right around your age is when most of us realize it’s take care of our bodies, Paulie, as much fun as that isn’t. We need to keep you around for a while. 🙂

  27. Andy

    “LibertarianGirl November 8, 2013 at 2:56 pm
    ‘I’m Wayne Root , Son of a butcher , Goldwater Republican , Columbia , never saw Obama,books I’ve written , Media I’ve attained , Walk of Fame, I reallllly hate Obama , buy my book’….—-every Wayne Root speech ever

    LOL! You forgot to say “Ronald Reagan Libertarian,” whatever this mythical creature is.

  28. From Der Sidelines

    Well, the LP’s Root Canal appears more and more in retrospect to have been the right thing, even if those of us with the foresight to see ROT for what he was in 2007 were ignored, making it necessary and overdue…and similar purges of the GOP-lite types, including Root’s remaining allies in the LP, and we all know who they are, are a necessary thing.

  29. paulie

    …and similar purges of the GOP-lite types, including Root’s remaining allies in the LP, and we all know who they are, are a necessary thing.

    There was no purge, Wayne left of his own free will.

  30. David Colborne

    @Paulie: Indeed. If anything, Wayne purged 2/3 of the Nevada LP and then left once he realized his project wasn’t returning the results he was expecting.

  31. Rosebud

    So paulie I see you agreed that if he didn’t say it then it shouldn’t be in quotes, but you haven’t bothered to fix the headline. When it comes to getting the facts right, there is a lot of apathy on IPR.

    You suggested that if the MSM fails at journalism by misquoting people, it’s ok to do it here too. Interesting.

    I also think it’s funny that many commenters here frequently whine about how they think Mr. Root was just a republican plant in the LP. But when Mr. Root says there are some in the LP that are really just democrats, those same people here get mad and call him a liar as though that’s impossible. Dish it out, but can’t take it, I guess.

  32. paulie

    So paulie I see you agreed that if he didn’t say it then it shouldn’t be in quotes, but you haven’t bothered to fix the headline.

    It wasn’t my article. I was leaving it to the article author. Would you like to pay me to fix other people’s articles here?

    You suggested that if the MSM fails at journalism by misquoting people, it’s ok to do it here too. Interesting.

    Now you are misquoting me. I suggested no such thing. What I did do was counter your apparent claim that we are far below the standards of mainstream media. I pointed out that they commit the same error frequently. Now I’ll also add that they do what they do for a living, and we don’t.

    I also think it’s funny that many commenters here frequently whine about how they think Mr. Root was just a republican plant in the LP. But when Mr. Root says there are some in the LP that are really just democrats, those same people here get mad and call him a liar as though that’s impossible. Dish it out, but can’t take it, I guess.

    Well, Wayne went back to the Republicans within 5 years. It’s been 20 years plus and I’m still not tempted to go back to the Democrats. But, anyone can suggest whatever they want.

    Honestly, I haven’t seen too many in the LP that are anything like Democrats on economic issues, except Mike Gravel (who was only in the LP very, very briefly). No other examples come to mind. But I can’t even count how many LP members I’ve met who were barely converted Republicans and in many cases, like Wayne Root and Bob Barr, have since gone back.

  33. Mike Kane

    If Starchild or another individual is able to get a resolution at the 2014 Convention up for a vote that condemns WAR’s behavior, I’ll strongly consider voting in favor.

  34. Dave Terry

    Bad idea for TWO reasons;

    1. WAR is no longer a Libertarian and he’s not an elected official so any criticism at this point would simply appear to be sour apples.

    2. Why give the guy another podium to rant from. Let the guy simply fade into obscurity, as he deserves.

  35. Jill Pyeatt

    I agree with Dave that he’s a goner from our party, so there’s not reason to issue any statements about him.

    I have read in three different places on Facebook, however (that great source!) that Wayne very much wants to come back to the LP. After watching this video, I really doubt it. In any case, though, let’s just remember this video in case he does want to come back.

    I SOOOO don’t miss him. Wasn’t he going to run for the senate in Nevada?

  36. paulie

    I have read in three different places on Facebook, however (that great source!) that Wayne very much wants to come back to the LP.

    I seriously doubt it. His credibility in the LP has gone way down due to the fact that he went back to the Republicans. After a turn and a half through the revolving door, a conversion becomes harder to believe the second time around. Also, the logic by which he went back to the Republicans would hold equally true in any election year. Another reason he cited when he left the LP is that his family wanted him to. Why would that have changed? Say whatever good or bad you want about Wayne, but he is without a doubt devoted to his family. I think the Root supporters on facebook are engaging in wishful thinking.

    Wasn’t he going to run for the senate in Nevada?

    As far as I know that is still his plan.

  37. Thomas L. Knapp

    Ever since there’s been a Libertarian Party, there have been Libertarians urging LP members to migrate to — “take over” or “influence” — one of the other major parties. And that includes some prominent LP members, including but not limited to former presidential nominees. Some of them re-think again, some don’t.

    However, I’d say there’s a qualitative difference between various such figures. Some of them are well-intentioned but wrong (e.g. the Paul cultists), some of them are just whores (Root being the most obvious example).

  38. Andy

    “Liberty for AMerica November Issue November 13, 2013 at 9:14 am
    As some readers forget, Wayne was not the first. Michael Badnarik was wandering around the 2007 NH February event urging people to re-register Republican.”

    Only so they could vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary.

  39. paulie

    “Liberty for AMerica November Issue November 13, 2013 at 9:14 am
    As some readers forget, Wayne was not the first. Michael Badnarik was wandering around the 2007 NH February event urging people to re-register Republican.”

    Only so they could vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary.

    If you read the “Liberty for AMerica November Issue” http://libertyforamerica.com/201311.pdf you’d see a strongly worded article titled “Reject Congressman Paul” on Page 2, so Phillies wouldn’t consider that a valid reason.

  40. Andy

    Paul said: “If you read the ‘Liberty for AMerica November Issue’ http://libertyforamerica.com/201311.pdf you’d see a strongly worded article titled ‘Reject Congressman Paul’ on Page 2, so Phillies wouldn’t consider that a valid reason.”

    I didn’t say that he would consider it to be a valid reason, I was only pointing out why Michael Badnarik was urging people to vote in the Republican primaries back in 2008. I would not put this in the same category as what Wayne Root did in 2012.

  41. Thomas L. Knapp

    Root’s antics really didn’t do a whole lot of damage.

    Paul’s campaigns gave us a real likelihood of Rand Paul as POTUS next time or the time after that.

    My view is that Paul has objectively done a couple orders of magnitude more damage not just to the LP but to the libertarian movement in general than Root could ever dream of doing.

    But I’m still of the opinion that his cultists mean well.

  42. Jill Pyeatt

    I’m still hoping that Rand Paul is a “work in progress”–but we’ll find out soon enough.

  43. paulie

    real likelihood of Rand Paul as POTUS

    NSGOP will not nominate Rand Paul for president in 2016. Since WWII all NSGOP nominees have been

    1) Former/sitting VP or VP nominees
    2) Past runners up for P nomination
    3) Members of the Bush klan
    4) One victorious war general, and you have to go back to the 1950s for that

    So, I’m pretty confident in predicting their next nominee will not deviate from those categories, IE will come from one of those categories, almost certainly 1-3.

    Given those precedents, NSGOP nominees in 2016 might be Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, Sarah Palin or Dan Quayle newly rehabilitated, or Santorum. It seems unlikely they could rehabilitate Cheney, but given past trends that could happen. Don’t laugh – Reagan was considered a joke until well into the primaries by many. I don’t think there is any realistic chance Rand Paul can win, but he will do better than either of Ron Paul’s runs and could realistically get the VP spot, especially if he does well.

    I would probably rate Paul Ryan as their most likely 2016 nominee, unless they lurch far to the social conservative right with Santorum.

    If Rand Paul is the runner up and/or VP pick, both of which are plausible, he could be their nominee in 2020, at which point he will probably lose to Hillary Clinton in her successful bid for a second term.

    And, if by any chance Rand Paul does beat Hillary Clinton in 2020 and gets elected potus, will that cause damage? While there are things about Rand Paul I don’t like, I don’t see how he would be worse than any other plausible Republican or Democratic presidential candidate.

    While some of the libertarian movement would then line up behind Rand Paul, to the extent that he deviates from libertarianism in office, there will be a libertarian movement to call him out on it and point out the ways in which he is not a libertarian. So, I don’t think he will end up killing off the movement or the party.

    In fact, given that in the past revolutions have taken place in countries which were already moving in the direction the revolutionaries wanted to go in, but not fast enough to satisfy the revolutionaries, I would expect that the election of a quasi-libertarian president would only whet the appetite of real libertarians for a stronger dose of libertarian change.

  44. paulie

    I’m still hoping that Rand Paul is a “work in progress”–but we’ll find out soon enough.

    He’ll probably always be a mixed bag.

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