Wisconsin Constitution Party chair condemns LGBT pride parade

Posted on the CP Wisconsin website on June 12th, 2014:

CPoW Condemns Pride Fest

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Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
it is an abomination.” Leviticus 18:22

By Riley J. Hood-CPoW State Chairman

            In 1988 the Milwaukee “LBGT Community held their first official “Pride-day at Mitchell Park.”  In 1989 Mayor John O. Norquist participated in Milwaukee’s Pride parade, stating, “We are Proud of You.”  Shortly after that Milwaukee’s sodomites started having a “Pride-fest at Juneau Park.”  In 1994, Pride-fest incorporated and held its events at Veteran’s Park.  In 1996, Pride-fest secured a slot on the Summer-fest grounds.  These days, Pride-fest is the kick off festival, for the festival season.

  • Pride-fest is not a cultural festival, but a festival of perversion. Sodomy is not a culture, it is a crime. Sodomites are reprobates incapable of self-government, and thus must be externally restrained.
  • Pride-fest kicks off the “festival season.” It sets the immoral tone for what takes place all summer long. Every one of these festivals is about sex and drinking. While Pride-fest is sodomite in tone, the rest are “heterosexually” immoral in tone.
  • The Summer-fest grounds have had a problem with drug dealers, and prostitution. Pride-fest is a leader in these vices, because the homosexual movement agitates for the legalization of prostitution.

The origins of Summer-fest were the Bavarian, Sunday afternoon, Lord’s Day Desecrating Beer Gardens. Mayor Maier turned those into Summer-fest. Then Festa Italiana and the other festivals were added.  After Maier left office; Pride-fest was added at the start of the festival season. Milwaukee is drowning in an ocean of filth and swill.  The only things on the rise from such “state-sanctioned” partying are poverty, disease and crime. This City is descending to the level of Sodom and Gomorrah, much to the vexation of the remaining decent ordinary citizens who are forced to fund these perversions.

Furthermore, sodomites were not a persecuted group anymore than prostitutes and dope dealers. They are criminals, and many if not most homosexuals are affluent, soft and spoiled. They are not in the same category as slaves or concentration camp victims, despite their trying to claim holocaust victim status, which rightly belongs to Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and the opponents of the Nazi Party.

The Constitution Party of Wisconsin’s position on this matter is clear and straightforward, our Platform states, “We call upon all state officials to outlaw all acts of sodomy.” “We reject the notion that sexual offenders are deserving of legal favor or special protection, and affirm the rights of states and localities to proscribe offensive sexual behavior.”

Finally, our CPoW Platform states, “We call upon our Wisconsin legislators to uphold the recent Wisconsin Constitutional Amendment that defines marriage as the ―union of one man and one woman and prevent the establishment of any counterfeit, such as ―domestic partnerships.”  CPoW further calls upon Governor Walker to defy Federal Courts and uphold Our Wisconsin State Constitution’s Marriage Amendment.

158 thoughts on “Wisconsin Constitution Party chair condemns LGBT pride parade

  1. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    I’m obviously no fan of Riley but I’ve always thought LBGT “pride” parades are ridiculous. What are they celebrating? Do heterosexuals do the same thing? Keep your orientation to yourself and stop dressing up like Satanic little sluts and kissing each other. It’s abhorrent to normal people.

    Yes, I’m not joining the LP I realize that it is clearly not my ideological home. I’m a Polish nationalist. I respect economic libertarianism…not social libertinism. Nationalism is the future…and FYI we Eastern Europeans will never accept this whole gay “marriage” idiocracy. Zakaz pedalowania!

    P.S. All you whiny PC leftist libertarians come at me 🙂

  2. Andy

    “•Pride-fest is not a cultural festival, but a festival of perversion. Sodomy is not a culture, it is a crime. Sodomites are reprobates incapable of self-government, and thus must be externally restrained.”

    Whether one agrees with this activity or not, I fail to see how it fits the definition of a crime, as for something to be a crime, there needs to be a victim, and the victim has to have suffered some kind of damage or damages.

    People engage in this activity on a voluntary basis, so there is no victim, and if there is no victim, there is no crime.

    “Krzysztof Lesiak Post authorJune 23, 2014 at 12:17 pm
    I’m obviously no fan of Riley but I’ve always thought LBGT ‘pride’ parades are ridiculous. What are they celebrating? Do heterosexuals do the same thing? Keep your orientation to yourself and stop dressing up like Satanic little sluts and kissing each other. It’s abhorrent to normal people.”

    I think that they are rather ridiculous as well, but these people still have a right to do it. I personally would not want to attend such an event, but I also have no desire to prevent those who want to attend such an event from doing so, nor would endorse any legislation or police action to prevent these individuals from holding such an event.

    “Yes, I’m not joining the LP I realize that it is clearly not my ideological home. I’m a Polish nationalist. I respect economic libertarianism…not social libertinism. Nationalism is the future…and FYI we Eastern Europeans will never accept this whole gay ‘marriage’ idiocracy. Zakaz pedalowania!

    P.S. All you whiny PC leftist libertarians come at me :)”

    Social libertinism is not the same thing as libertarianism. Libertarians can be personally socially conservative, or hold whatever other social views, just so long as they do not force those views on to others.

    The true libertarian position on marriage is that the government should not be involved in it at all. Marriage is something that should be left to individuals, and if they are religious, between them and their church. The government should get out of the marriage licensing business.

    I do not oppose gays being able to get state marriage licenses as an interim position, one reason being to put an end to this controversy, but also so they can be “equal” to non-gays, however, the ultimate libertarian solution to the problem is to get the government out of the marriage licensing business, so this should be the end goal.

    You said “we” Eastern Europeans will never accept gay marriage. Do you speak for all Eastern Europeans? I doubt it.

    Also, nobody said that you or anyone else had to accept gay marriage, as this is about allowing people to have the freedom to make their own choices in life so long as they do not initiate force or fraud against others, regardless of whether you agree with those choices or not.

    I’ve got to ask, is this the real Krzysztof Lesiak?

  3. Jed Ziggler

    Good to see Lesiak finally showing his true colors. Come at you? Okay, but you better swallow.

    “What are they celebrating?” Being amazing.

    “Keep your orientation to yourself” We will when straight people do.

    “stop dressing up like Satanic little sluts and kissing each other.” You first.

    “It’s abhorrent to normal people.” Homophobia is normal? You crazy.

    “Yes, I’m not joining the LP” Good. We don’t want you.

    “I’m a Polish nationalist.” Then join the American Freedom Party. Or better yet, the American Nazi Party.

    “Nationalism is the future” The Fourth Reich is upon us!

    “and FYI we Eastern Europeans will never accept this whole gay “marriage” idiocracy.” Then go back to Eastern Europe.

    http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

  4. Andy

    “I’m a Polish nationalist.”

    If you are a Polish nationalist, why are you in this country? Why don’t you move to Poland?

    I find it rather bizarre for someone living in the United States of America to be a nationalist for some other country.

  5. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    Yeah I am a member of the American Freedom Party.

    Yes “homophobia” is very normal in Eastern Europe.

    Nationalism is not the same as chauvinism and ethnic supremacism….smh

    I am going back to Eastern Europe. Have a nice day Jed.

  6. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    Andy, Chicago is a de facto Polish city. We have a lot of Polish nationalists here. Yes I am going to move as soon as possible, within the next year or two at the most.

    Jed you are a moron….why the hell would Polish nationalists support Hitler? He raped our country along with Stalin.

    Maybe Jed you belong in the Communist Party USA, seeing that you love Cultural Marxism so much and that you’re so intolerant of other, radical worldviews?

  7. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    I want to use a certain word right now, but I will resist the urge. #DeathtoCultralMarxism #NationalismistheFuture

    National Front : 25% in France
    Jobbik: 20% in Hungary
    Golden Dawn: 10% in Greece

    and so forth. You leftist libertarians and New World Order supporters can’t stop us.

  8. Andy

    “Krzysztof Lesiak Post authorJune 23, 2014 at 12:57 pm
    Andy, Chicago is a de facto Polish city. We have a lot of Polish nationalists here. Yes I am going to move as soon as possible, within the next year or two at the most.”

    I’ve been to Chicago many times, and I knew that there were a good number of people in that area with Polish ancestors, and I also knew that Polish immigrants still come to Chicago, but I never thought of it as being a Polish city. I don’t know what the ethnic breakdown of Chicago is, but it appears to be a city with a lot of different ethnic groups, like most American cities, and here in America, most people can trace ancestors to more than one country.

    I found out last year that one of my Libertarian friends in the Chicago area is part Polish. I don’t know the rest of this person’s ethnic breakdown, but I’d guess that they are probably part English as well, maybe part other stuff, I don’t know.

    Were you born in the USA, or were you born in Poland?

  9. Andy

    “Jed Ziggler June 23, 2014 at 1:00 pm
    Whatever, Vernon. I’m sorry, I mean Krzysztof.”

    Yes, I’ve got to wonder now if Krzysztof is the Nazi troll, “Vernon,” or “Ancient Aryan Astronaut” or whatever other name this person has posted under here.

  10. Andy

    “Krzysztof Lesiak Post authorJune 23, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Yes ‘homophobia’ is very normal in Eastern Europe.”

    I would not say that this is something of which to be proud. If a person is gay and they aren’t violating anyone else’s rights then why make a big deal about it. I could see if they were raping people, but it is not like all gays are rapists.

  11. Andy

    “Krzysztof Lesiak Post authorJune 23, 2014 at 1:02 pm
    You leftist libertarians and New World Order supporters can’t stop us.”

    Libertarian is not the same thing as leftist. Also, libertarians do not support the New World Order.

  12. Joshua Fauver

    You know, this is the problem with this site. It isn’t a “third party and independent news site.” It’s a Libertarian hang out site. Anyone who comments expressing views that are not Libertarian views gets ganged up on, talked down to, ridiculed, called a troll, and accused of being someone else. This is, this right here, is why the same freaking people comment on everything. This is why this site has the same audience it had last month, and the month before last, and the month before that, and the month before that, and the month before that. It’s become quite clear that if you aren’t a libertarian or at the very least a civil libertarian, well you aren’t welcome here. If you express a view differing from that of the Libertarian Party platform then you will be persecuted. (All in the name of liberty and the belief that you should be able to hold whatever view you deem desirable of course.)

  13. Andy

    “Joshua Fauver June 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm
    You know, this is the problem with this site. It isn’t a “third party and independent news site.” It’s a Libertarian hang out site. Anyone who comments expressing views that are not Libertarian views gets ganged up on, talked down to, ridiculed, called a troll, and accused of being someone else. This is, this right here, is why the same freaking people comment on everything. This is why this site has the same audience it had last month, and the month before last, and the month before that, and the month before that, and the month before that. It’s become quite clear that if you aren’t a libertarian or at the very least a civil libertarian, well you aren’t welcome here. If you express a view differing from that of the Libertarian Party platform then you will be persecuted. (All in the name of liberty and the belief that you should be able to hold whatever view you deem desirable of course.)”

    Nobody is stopping anyone who is not a Libertarian from posting here. I think that there are more Libertarians here than anything else because the Libertarian Party and movement is bigger than other minor party and independent movements, and also because the Libertarian Party has a high percentage of people who are “computer geeks” and internet junkies.

    If more people from the Constitution Party, the Green Party, the American Freedom Party, the Reform Party, the Socialist Party, etc…, want to post here, then I say go for it.

  14. Jed Ziggler

    “You know, this is the problem with this site. It isn’t a “third party and independent news site.” It’s a Libertarian hang out site. Anyone who comments expressing views that are not Libertarian views gets ganged up on, talked down to, ridiculed, called a troll, and accused of being someone else. This is, this right here, is why the same freaking people comment on everything. This is why this site has the same audience it had last month, and the month before last, and the month before that, and the month before that, and the month before that. It’s become quite clear that if you aren’t a libertarian or at the very least a civil libertarian, well you aren’t welcome here. If you express a view differing from that of the Libertarian Party platform then you will be persecuted. (All in the name of liberty and the belief that you should be able to hold whatever view you deem desirable of course.)”

    This from the same person who penned an article linking the Constitution Party to white supremacism? Settle your tea kettle.

    You, Cody Quirk, David Curtis, Peter Gemma, Nick Hensley, Darcy Richardson, and various other non-Libertarians are more than welcome here. If you’re expecting that your views go unchallenged, that’s just not the case. Comments are open here, for the most part.

    As for Lesiak, I’ll back off a bit, but I’m very suspicious of someone who has in the past been openly hostile to minor parties, posted TMZ-like articles that I felt made the site look bad, and now touts nationalist views. I have the right to my opinion, just as you have yours.

  15. Joshua Fauver

    I have no problem with views being challenged, in fact I encourage it. What I’m saying is this, there is a better way to do it then gets done here. There is a better way than doing it in a blatantly derogatory manner. You know, this has been everybodys accusation against Libertarians, especially those who worked the Ron Paul campaign. They’re rude, they’re arrogant, they’re deliberately confrontation, and come off as real jerkoffs. As far as things being posted on this site that make the site look bad, go take a stroll through some of the comment threads. The regulars here are less than friendly to differing views. Challenging the views of others in a well mannered discussion or robust debate is one thing, purposefully being a jerk is another. And yes, I penned an article linking the CP to the White Supremacy Movement, and if memory serves me right Jed you were the one who was friendly enough to publish it on here for me. (And again thank you for that.) I saw some things and followed the trail of bread crumbs an posted my findings. I was active in the comment thread afterwards and Peter Gemma came and replied and said his peace and that was that.

  16. Jill Pyeatt

    Posting anything about or by that hateful idiot Riley Hood makes the Constitution Party look awful. One can be opposed personally to the gay lifestyle, but to have that opinion be part of a political party is absurd, and one of the reasons the Constitution Party won’t go anywhere. As far as Chris’ comments today, wow. I’m glad that he’s stayed away from the site the last six months or so.

    What the heck happened to that curious, intelligent kid?

  17. Joshua Fauver

    SEE! There we go! Chris comments with a view different from that of the Libertarians on this site and what happens? We get someone commenting “As far as Chris’ comments today, wow. I’m glad he’s stayed away from the site the last six months or so.” Because at the end of the day people with views differing from those of the L.P just really aren’t welcomed here.

  18. paulie

    This whole thread has turned so ridiculous I don’t even know where to start, or whether it is worth it (probably not). Hopefully Chris and Joshua are just trolling. Jed and Jill are correct, of course.

  19. Joshua Fauver

    Correct about what Paulie? You agree with Jill? That nationalist views aren’t welcome here? You’re glad nationalists don’t comment here? The question becomes this, is this a third party and independent news site, or is it a libertarian virtual hangout? People who comment with different views get immediately labeled as “trolls” or are accused of being someone else commenting under a different name. It’s ridiculous!

  20. Joshua Fauver

    Well since you’ve decided to be public about it, what, pray tell, is your problem with Chris?

  21. paulie

    Correct about what Paulie?

    Everything they have said here, basically.

    You’re glad nationalists don’t comment here?

    I’m not particular eager to read racist crap. I’ll allow it within limits, but all too often that just leads to pointless and endless arguments over what exactly those limits are, which is really annoying. And “nationalist” is almost always code for racist (except when it’s code for warmonger, which is a slightly different form of nationalism).

    The question becomes this, is this a third party and independent news site, or is it a libertarian virtual hangout?

    Both.

    It’s a news site which happens to be the most widely read, comprehensive and well-commented on site covering news about alternative parties and independents. Most of the stories are not about the LP.

    And it is also the #1 hangout for LP-specific discussions online (other than maybe facebook).

    Yes, most of the people that comment here are libertarians, which is fine with me. If other people want to comment here they can with few exceptions. It doesn’t mean that I or others will refrain from expressing what we think of their views, some of which are abhorrent.

    If that makes some people feel unwelcome, I’m OK with that.

    One thing that I don’t think Jed is right about is the speculation that Vernon is Chris. I highly doubt that he is. Some of the earlier incarnations of Vernon/nazi troll seemed to have specific knowledge that I don’t think Chris has.

    People are free to speculate that someone is posting as someone else but please keep that discussion limited, as it gets out of hand and overwhelms other discussions and is by and large pointless speculation based on wild conjecture with little basis.

  22. Jed Ziggler

    “Well since you’ve decided to be public about it, what, pray tell, is your problem with Chris?”

    Pretty sure I already stated that. He’s been openly hostile to minor parties & hasn’t been a good egg when it comes to article posting. Given his nationalist political views, when you add everything else onto it, it makes me strongly suspect that he is our Nazi troll.

    Also, I found his comments personally insulting. I realize that he has a right to post them here, that’s not me saying that he should get the banhammer, in fact I’m almost universally against that, but I have a problem with it.

    IPR should welcome diverse views, even hateful ones. That doesn’t mean I, personally, have to.

  23. Jill Pyeatt

    I’m not in the practice of explaining my comments, but I will in this case because you seem genuinely distressed, Joshua. I was shocked at Krzysztof’s comments, and the turnaround from less than a year ago. My comment was specific to the individual who I thought I knew, who obviously was either hiding some very dark thoughts or has experienced something awful the last six months. I actually think it’s possible he could be Vernon/Ancient Aryan Astronaut, although it would break my heart if he is.

    I don’t believe I’ve ever been deliberately rude to you, Joshua, although I disagree with much of what you say. The same would be true regarding Cody Quirk. As far as Riley Hood, though come on. The man is a cartoon character come to life.

  24. Jill Pyeatt

    Paulie said “Some of the earlier incarnations of Vernon/nazi troll seemed to have specific knowledge that I don’t think Chris has.”

    Good point, Paulie. That person also is from California, because he/she knows CA history better than I think even Paulie does.

  25. Jill Pyeatt

    BTW, I hope all the writers saw last week that Vernon and Ancient Aryan Astronaut posted identical coomments, even though the first one was up only a short time before it went into the trash. We can stop specualating whether it’s the same person. It is.

  26. Joshua Fauver

    Here we are on a libertarian hangout site where libertarians practice censorship and I’m supposed to believe that my view that this cite is less than welcoming to people with differing views is unfounded. I love it.

  27. paulie

    Here we are on a libertarian hangout site where libertarians practice censorship

    Censorship is something the government does. If you want a site that allows any comments regardless of content try crazyforliberty.com or start your own. IPR has very liberal (that is permissive) comment policies, but there are limits to everything.

    and I’m supposed to believe that my view that this cite is less than welcoming to people with differing views is unfounded. I love it.

    The site has no opinion regarding differing views. Individuals do, including those of us who help run the site.

    Instead of worrying about whether we make racists feel welcome, please make sure your headlines are not editorial and limit how much of the articles you post appears on the front page. Those things are a lot more important than anything that is said or not said in the comments.

  28. Joshua Fauver

    Or, here’s an idea, you trying posting something other than a freaking open thread every once in a while you prick.

  29. paulie

    I’ll post whatever I want. I have posted thousands of articles on this site, far more than anyone else in its history. I’ve also recruited most of the other people who post here.

  30. Joshua Fauver

    Paulie, no worries man. You’ve made it abundantly clear that you will post whatever you want whenever you want. You’ll be as rude, condescending, derogatory, and confrontational as you want. That you’ll tell everyone else how to post and now with what frequency to do it. And that you’ll delete comments and ban commenters at your own discretion. We’ve got it. Trust me.

  31. paulie

    3,838 articles posted as paulie and 1,260 before that as paulie cannoli. What was that about only posting open threads? I think I have contributed my share to this site, even before we get into comments or signing up other people or fixing other people’s posts etc.

  32. Joshua Fauver

    That’s great Paulie. Lets not forget the other important work you do around here. Censorship of comments. Post frequency monitor. Professional comment deleter. Commenter Banner extraordinaire.

  33. paulie

    You’ll be as rude, condescending, derogatory, and confrontational as you want.

    I’ve been told by most people that I am the opposite of those things. I make a real effort to be nice to people and most people have been telling me that I have been doing pretty well. Granted, I am not perfect.

    That you’ll tell everyone else how to post and now with what frequency to do it.

    I am sorry, when did I tell anyone with what frequency they post or what they post? You seem to have a vivid imagination.

    And that you’ll delete comments and ban commenters at your own discretion.

    That hardly ever happens. And when it does it is after a lot of provocation and multiple polite and then less polite requests.

    We’ve got it.

    We? You mean you, yourself and you?

  34. Joshua Fauver

    But lets get back to the real problem I was trying to address here that you people seem to take such an issue with. Expanding the audience of IPR and expanding the people who comment here. We have the same people commenting on everything because we have the same select group of people are reading these post. Because if someone does mosey on over to IPR and express support for an editorial like this one, or an editorial by the American Freedom Party, or for an editorial about a $15 minimum wage the people who frequent here gang up and all but attack them as opposed to having a civil discussion or debate about their views. And if it happens to be an American Freedom Party post in all likelihood they get called a troll or are accused of being a past commenter.

  35. paulie

    That’s great Paulie. Lets not forget the other important work you do around here. Censorship of comments. Post frequency monitor. Professional comment deleter. Commenter Banner extraordinaire.

    LOL, WTF are you talking about? The tiny handful of trolls and extremely over the top comments that have been deleted is infinitesimal. I have no idea what this “post frequency” thing is about. And professional? I wish. I have put in literally over 10,000 hours of unpaid time here in the last six years. You are welcome.

    I look forward to your competing site that will be better than IPR. Several have come and gone in our time here.

  36. Joshua Fauver

    “and limit how much of the articles you post appears on the front page.” Since I have no idea how to, nor has anyone explained to me how to, nor expressed concern about this before, I can only take it to mean you take issue with the amount of posts I make a day, more specifically the content of the post. (typically leftist parties and editorials)

  37. Joshua Fauver

    I have no intention of starting a competing site to IPR. I want IPR to be successful, I want it to be a much more successful site that it is now. I want it to have a much larger audience than just the Libertarian Party. I would like the Green Party, the Constitution Party, the Reform Party, the varying Socialists Parties, and the varying right wing minor parties to all become frequent readers of IPR and become active in the comment sections. Not just have this be a libertarian hang out site, I’d like it to a haven to those who have alternative views to those being espoused by the two major parties.

  38. paulie

    But lets get back to the real problem I was trying to address here that you people seem to take such an issue with. Expanding the audience of IPR and expanding the people who comment here.

    I don’t have a problem with the people who comment here. Who says it is a problem?

    We have the same people commenting on everything because we have the same select group of people are reading these post.

    Incorrect. The stats show that a lot more people read the articles than comment on them, and out of the people that do comment many do so very rarely. The stats also show that many of the most read posts receive no comments or very few. So you are inferring far too much from the comments. Most of the value that IPR has as an article posting service is to a much larger and much more casual audience than the value that we have as a discussion community.

    Because if someone does mosey on over to IPR and express support for an editorial like this one, or an editorial by the American Freedom Party, or for an editorial about a $15 minimum wage the people who frequent here gang up and all but attack them as opposed to having a civil discussion or debate about their views.

    You seem to think that I am deleting too many comments, which I hardly ever do, yet how would you expect us to enforce a civil discussion policy? All internet discussions on any subject generally dissolve into flame wars, especially when the flaming is not policed, and the vitriol tends to drive out the people who don’t care for it. The only way to have more civil discussions would be to have a very active comment policing policy, which neither myself nor anyone else is interested in providing as a free service, and most of us are not interested in having anyone provide such a service if someone offered to do so.

    Otherwise how do you propose to keep people from expressing what they think of some other people’s opinions?

    And it is not limited to non-libertarian views. Libertarians have many disagreements with each other which are hardly always civil.

    And if it happens to be an American Freedom Party post in all likelihood they get called a troll or are accused of being a past commenter.

    Well, yeah, that part is stupid and annoying, but there is in fact a very active nazi troll who has popped up and caused trouble a bunch of times so the suspicion is understandable. But again, the only way to prevent the speculation from being expressed would be to police the comments much more actively than we have been, and here you are calling me all sorts of names for supposedly policing them too actively already.

    I look forward to you showing me how it should really be done with your new competing site that you will be putting up shortly. When you have a few years, a few thousand posts and at least a hundred thousand comments under your belt with that come back and brag about how you achieved what no one else in the history of the internet ever has, a complete unpoliced and yet completely civil comment community which is also not completely dead.

  39. Jill Pyeatt

    What’s with our younguns today? I noticed people were bickering more than usual on Facebook over the last few days also. Is it some poor star alignment, or something? I hope so, because that’s means it will go away someday.

    We get new people here all the time. I know that because one of us has to go in and approve the comment of a new person, and it tends to be me, Paulie or Jed who does it. Is it possible, Joshua, that you’re upset that there simply aren’t more people that share your views? Your beliefs are in the minority and perhaps that’s why corresponding parties are small, and the reason few people on this site agree with you. That simply puts more onus on you to make your case. Maybe that’s a better tactic than insulting people.

  40. Joshua Fauver

    Frankly, I don’t care if they share my views or not. I certainly don’t share the views of Chris Lesiak or any nationalist for that matter. All I’m saying here is I’d like to see more robust participation in the comment sections on articles here at IPR. I’d like to see the C.P, the G.P, the J.P, the American Freedom Party, the IAP, the Socialist Party, the Peace and Freedom Party, the United Independent Party, the Reform Party, all be represented here, and not just on our banner at the top of this page. Again Paulie, And Jill, my point is I think that our current active readers and commenters being less insulting would go a long way in helping achieve this. Again Paulie, I have no intention of starting a rival site. I want to see this one thrive.

  41. Jed Ziggler

    “The stats show that a lot more people read the articles than comment on them, and out of the people that do comment many do so very rarely. The stats also show that many of the most read posts receive no comments or very few. So you are inferring far too much from the comments. Most of the value that IPR has as an article posting service is to a much larger and much more casual audience than the value that we have as a discussion community. ”

    I’m glad to hear that. That’s why my policy for what I post is less “how many comments will this get” and more “is this newsworthy”.

    “I know that because one of us has to go in and approve the comment of a new person, and it tends to be me, Paulie or Jed who does it.”

    And I can only do it on articles that I post, which is a little annoying.

  42. paulie

    I would like the Green Party, the Constitution Party, the Reform Party, the varying Socialists Parties, and the varying right wing minor parties to all become frequent readers of IPR and become active in the comment sections.

    The are already active readers of IPR. As for being more active in the comment sections, they have fewer active members than the LP does and the ones they do have don’t spend as much time online. Have you checked out Green Party Watch and seen how many comments they get? The fact that we have an active LP commenting community does not keep anyone else from commenting here. If a bunch of Greens wanted to come over that would be great, for example. Fact is they don’t, and it’s not because of the Libertarians here.

    But yes, they do read our articles. Again you are inferring way too much from the comments or lack thereof. Check out the stats. If you don’t have access, email Warren and he can help you.

  43. paulie

    If the problem was IPR’s management, IPR’s comment policy or anything else about IPR a competing site would have already solved that problem. Several people have tried to start some and failed to get traction. When there is real market demand for something, the market creates a viable alternative. When TPW was being too restrictive IPR rose up to compete, surpassed them and left them in the dust, and eventually they just gave up. The fact is that the demand for LP members to have a comment community is just greater than with those other parties. If it were not so, one of the other sites would have demonstrated otherwise and thrived. But none of them did. You can’t create demand that does not exist, try as you might.

  44. Joshua Fauver

    Well supply side economics would argue that supply creates demand, which is normally a Libertarian Position. (Hayek argued supply creates demand in fact) Am I hearing you right that demand creates supply Paulie? 😉

  45. paulie

    …the IAP, the Socialist Party, the Peace and Freedom Party, the United Independent Party, the Reform Party, all be represented here, and not just on our banner at the top of this page.

    They are well represented in the articles.

    Probably over-represented if you compare, for example, how many votes they get or how many candidates they run with the LP, if anything.

    Again Paulie, And Jill, my point is I think that our current active readers and commenters being less insulting would go a long way in helping achieve this.

    Our current active readers and commenters have the right to express their views, and I would not want to constantly police them to make sure they are being polite enough (except in very, very egregious cases), nor would you want me to since you say I am being far too active in policing the comments as it is.

    You have provided exactly zero evidence for the contention that there is some large number of supporters of these other parties that would start commenting here if I somehow had the magic ability to make our LP readers be super-nice to them without any enforcement. And I believe the lack of another site that serves such comment communities to take off, despite multiple attempts by various people, is prima facie evidence that the demand simply does not exist and that the problem (if it is a problem) of one not arising is not due in any way to LP members being rude to supporters of other alt parties on IPR; rather, that the demand just does not exist at all.

  46. paulie

    Well supply side economics would argue that supply creates demand,

    That is absurd. If supply created demand then why would any business ever fail? There are plenty of people who have tried to create and market all sorts of crap. The demand was not there so they went out of business. They built it and no one came.

    which is normally a Libertarian Position.

    Your understanding of libertarian positions is faulty, which is putting it charitably.

    Am I hearing you right that demand creates supply Paulie?

    Demand drives supply. Without demand no amount of supply will create a market. You can make a billion polka dot ties, but there just aren’t enough people who want them for you to get rid of them no matter what you do. You also have to have the ability to meet that demand and something of value in exchange. A billion starving people have plenty of demand, but not enough to exchange in value. A person buried in a vault with a ton of gold has plenty of value to offer in exchange for someone rescuing him or her, but if the ability to reach the vault in time is simply not in existence, there is nothing that can be done to meet the demand. However, neither the ability to provide supply nor the ability to provide something in exchange is what is lacking in this particular situation. What is lacking is actual demand. You are in the situation of the guy with the billion polka dot ties that few people want.

  47. paulie

    And I can only do it on articles that I post, which is a little annoying.

    You’ll have to take that up with the Redlichs, since only family members are admins here anymore.

  48. Thomas Knapp

    “I would like the Green Party, the Constitution Party, the Reform Party, the varying Socialists Parties, and the varying right wing minor parties to all become frequent readers of IPR and become active in the comment sections.”

    And bellyaching here in IPR comments advances that goal … how?

    If you want those groups here, why not go talk to THEM about coming here?

  49. paulie

    “and limit how much of the articles you post appears on the front page.” Since I have no idea how to, nor has anyone explained to me how to, nor expressed concern about this before, I can only take it to mean you take issue with the amount of posts I make a day, more specifically the content of the post. (typically leftist parties and editorials)

    I have no issue whatsoever with how many articles you post. If anything please post more, and thank you for posting as many as you do.

    The issue is with how much of any one article is on the front page, and I did explain how to fix it over email as well as in the comments here. See also

    http://en.support.wordpress.com/splitting-content/more-tag/

    The issue is really that we used to have a script that did this automatically, but it appears to not have survived the server migration which took place recently.

  50. paulie

    Some time in the summer of 2013, while I was taking a break from the internet for a few months. Came back and found that I was no longer an admin. Asked Warren about it, and he said his brother is very security-conscious and did not want non-family members to be admins here. I had been one since some time in 2008, through a couple of ownership changes, but not for the past year or so.

  51. Thomas L. Knapp

    Weird. I’m still able to log in to the dashboard, moderate comments, etc., so perhaps we’re talking about a different definition of “admin.” Or perhaps they just didn’t notice me during the purge.

  52. paulie

    I can do that too. Those are functions of being an editor, so Jed must be at a lower levels such as author or contributor.

    What I can’t do anymore, for example, is change someone else’s level or add a new contributor on my own (I now have to ask Warren, before I could just do it). Only admins can do that. Admin is the only level above editor.

  53. paulie

    There are a few other things that only an admin can do, and I find it annoying not to be able to do them anymore, which is probably one of the reasons I have posted fewer articles. Well, OK, definitely one of the reasons.

  54. Green_w_o_Adjectives

    This “cultural marxism” meme has got to be one of the dumbest ideas the wingnuts have come up with. As if there was a cabal of Marxists in the universities who are secretly conspiring to bring about total domination in favor of the billionaries. As anyone with a university degree knows, Marxism is taboo in academica these days.

    The truth is that most of the issues that wingnuts blame on “cultural marxism” are actually caused by capitalism itself and capitalism’s tendency to break down and destroy ‘traditionalism’, wherever it is found. The wingnuts blame their problems on a non-existent secretive Marxist elite, not understanding that their real enemy is unrestrained corporate power and billionaire power.

    Elites have always used nationalist sentiments for their own ends and we can expect more of the same, seeing that some people (eg, dumb nationalists) are unable to learn anything from history and swallow the system’s propaganda.

  55. Green_w_o_Adjectives

    “Frankly, I don’t care if they share my views or not. I certainly don’t share the views of Chris Lesiak or any nationalist for that matter. All I’m saying here is I’d like to see more robust participation in the comment sections on articles here at IPR. I’d like to see the C.P, the G.P, the J.P, the American Freedom Party, the IAP, the Socialist Party, the Peace and Freedom Party, the United Independent Party, the Reform Party, all be represented here, and not just on our banner at the top of this page. Again Paulie, And Jill, my point is I think that our current active readers and commenters being less insulting would go a long way in helping achieve this. Again Paulie, I have no intention of starting a rival site. I want to see this one thrive.”

    I don’t really see this website as anything more than a Libertarian Party propaganda site. The mentions of other parties are great and all, but reporting on non-LIbertarian parties is typically unfair and slanted. Consequently, IPR has a Libertarian slant, though at least there are enough cultrally liberal Libertarians to keep the site from being taken over by right-wing nationalists and/or national anarchists and their fellow-travelers.

    If IPR wants to be a real 3rd party site and not merely a Libertarian community, then a suitable Green and a suitable Constitutionalist should be found to share ownership/editorship with Warren Redlich and ensure that Green and Constitutionalist views are represented fairly.

    What I’d like to see in the future is new forms of Internet-based media where 3rd parties work together to build community and media alternatives to the duopoly. This will need to take place both on the Internet and in local communities. Free and Equal chapters in every city, providing a form for alternative viewpoints, would be a good start.

  56. paulie

    This “cultural marxism” meme has got to be one of the dumbest ideas the wingnuts have come up with. As if there was a cabal of Marxists in the universities who are secretly conspiring to bring about total domination in favor of the billionaries.

    Yep.

    As anyone with a university degree knows, Marxism is taboo in academica these days.

    Oh? I have a university degree, my dad is a now retired professor, I went to grad school (although I never received a degree from it). I spent a big chunk of the last quarter century on and around college campuses. I have been at, I think, probably at least a thousand different colleges. And I have found plenty of Marxists, many in high positions, at the vast majority of them; even in the most conservative states.

    The truth is that most of the issues that wingnuts blame on “cultural marxism” are actually caused by capitalism itself and capitalism’s tendency to break down and destroy ‘traditionalism’, wherever it is found. The wingnuts blame their problems on a non-existent secretive Marxist elite, not understanding that their real enemy is unrestrained corporate power and billionaire power.

    A real free market, which is far different from corporate power, breaks down traditionalist stagnation just as well, and it’s a good thing that it does.

  57. paulie

    I don’t really see this website as anything more than a Libertarian Party propaganda site. The mentions of other parties are great and all, but reporting on non-LIbertarian parties is typically unfair and slanted.

    How so? Most of it is their own press releases and opinion articles.

    We are in no way a libertarian propaganda site.

    I would recommend adding you to the article authors if you think you can post a better selection of articles.

    Consequently, IPR has a Libertarian slant

    In the articles? How so? Please make your case using the last 10 or 100 articles or whatever number you choose.

    If IPR wants to be a real 3rd party site and not merely a Libertarian community, then a suitable Green and a suitable Constitutionalist should be found to share ownership/editorship with Warren Redlich and ensure that Green and Constitutionalist views are represented fairly.

    Redlich paid a lot of money for his ownership and does not exercise very active editorship. Whether he wants to sell all or part of the site is up to him. He does not select what articles get posted and does not usually have much to say about it either. We have some Green and CP article authors, have had some others who quit, have tried without success to get others. I am not in control of how many articles they choose to post or if they choose to stay. If you want to give it a shot I will recommend to Warren that he sign you up.

  58. Green_w_o_Adjectives

    Re. Marxists in universities….well I’ll concede there are more Marxists than there are anarchists. But, nowadays, I’m not sure there are more Marxists than there are Libertarians.

    In your father’s time, I’m sure it was much different (Marxism was hugely influential in Europe, which in turn is hugely influential on academic life). But from what I’ve observed, it’s very hard for a Marxist to get tenure these days unless he/she is an exceptional scholar. It seems like the system puts alot of pressure on people to not be Marxists, which shouldn’t surprise us given the history of Soviet communism and the role of capital in funding the universities.

    As far as free markets, I guess I feel like the capitalist system ‘forces’ individuals/communities to give up their traditions in ways that wouldn’t happen under libertarian socialism or just plain socialism.

  59. Joseph Buchman

    Warren was openly opposed to the LP’s last candidate(s) for POTUS. I would suggest that points to a more neutral point-of-view than the LP slant that is assumed here.

  60. Green_w_o_Adjectives

    And for the record, that aspect of capitalism is not the same as what would happen in a theoretical “freed market”. I’m merely pointing out that if the means of production are in the hands of a few elites, then that is not a society characterized by freedom, since people need to sell their labor to survive and don’t really have control over their own lives.

  61. paulie

    But, nowadays, I’m not sure there are more Marxists than there are Libertarians.

    LOL. I’m quite sure there orders of magnitude more Marxists than Libertarians.

    Warren was openly opposed to the LP’s last candidate(s) for POTUS. I would suggest that points to a more neutral point-of-view than the LP slant that is assumed here.

    Before that, Trent and Austin were Republicans (in fact Austin was a McCain Republican, although he did become a Gary Johnson supporter later). Chris Martin never even commented here or corresponded with us as far as I know. Jason Seagraves turned anti-voting anarchist some time before selling the site. After Jason, who sold the site way back at the end of 2008, none of the owners have been very active editors – Trent was somewhat active at the start but not towards the end. Jason was also strongly against the LP’s 2008 presidential candidate as were most people here. We have follow help with a essay outline source link how to link my work outlook email to my iphone http://www.nationalnewstoday.com/medical/mexico-pharmacy-no-prescription-online/2/ enter https://www.xpcc.com/helpme-123-essay/ viagra girl age whats is the safe dose to start viagra how to write a good act essay get help writing professional business plan ordering super viagra by mail see professional resume writing service lexington ky http://jarmac.com/2019/how-to-write-abstract-for-research-paper/4/ https://rtilab.com/pharmacy/viagra-rx/51/ viagra free pills https://www.iama.edu/clinics/viagra-generic-super-active.html levitra alcohol https://awesomeamsterdam.com/8th-grade-research-paper-example/ viagra generic in canada levitra at walmart kamagra thailand click https://stageone.org/college-entrance-essay-examples/ https://rtilab.com/pharmacy/viagra-in-mexico/51/ viagra buy forum https://erc.cals.wisc.edu/wp-content/blogs.dir/25/store.php?usp=wirkungviagragenerika source url where can i find someone to do my assignment https://casci.umd.edu/2019/buspar-online/50/ never had an owner who was a fan of the LP’s leadership clique at the time. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Warren is an LP member at all right now.

    As far as free markets, I guess I feel like the capitalist system ‘forces’ individuals/communities to give up their traditions in ways that wouldn’t happen under libertarian socialism or just plain socialism. And for the record, that aspect of capitalism is not the same as what would happen in a theoretical “freed market”. I’m merely pointing out that if the means of production are in the hands of a few elites, then that is not a society characterized by freedom, since people need to sell their labor to survive and don’t really have control over their own lives.

    Certainly agreed as to the latter part. But I do believe freed markets sweep away “traditional” bigotry in much the same way as large scale corporatism does, and I don’t see that as a bad thing.

  62. Green_w_o_Adjectives

    “Redlich paid a lot of money for his ownership and does not exercise very active editorship. Whether he wants to sell all or part of the site is up to him. He does not select what articles get posted and does not usually have much to say about it either. We have some Green and CP article authors, have had some others who quit, have tried without success to get others. I am not in control of how many articles they choose to post or if they choose to stay. If you want to give it a shot I will recommend to Warren that he sign you up.”

    Well, I’ll think about that thx.

    If I were to suggest some changes, I’d say give a little more attention to the Greens and similar parties (Justice and After Party, maybe the Socialist party) as well as to the Constitutionalists. Give less attention to fringe left and right parties (eg, communists/Leninists, 3rd positionists).

    I didn’t mean to suggest that you guys ‘intend’ to be a Libertarian propaganda site….just that it works out that way in practice given that non-Libertarian views tend to be grilled in the comments. Part of the problem, of course, is Greens and Constitutionalists don’t have nearly as many activists involved over the Internet.

  63. Jill Pyeatt

    GwoA said: ” I don’t really see this website as anything more than a Libertarian Party propaganda site. The mentions of other parties are great and all, but reporting on non-LIbertarian parties is typically unfair and slanted.”

    I’m surprised at that comment. A lot of what we do here is post articles we find in news sources, blogs and so on, and I’m certain that we post a higher percentage of some of the smaller parties than we do Libertarian articles, if we used the percent of actual members of those parties. Jed and Joshua both post a lot from the other parties. They’re not slanted unless the article is, but since we all have time constraints, we usually select good articles from better sources, which shouldn’t be slanted much.

    Having said what I just did, I am totally guilty of posting mostly Libertarian or libertarian articles. My time has been quite constricted this year, so I post mostly what I think is important to our party. I know what’s important to the LP because I’m a member. I’m pleased that Jed and Joshua are around to find those other articles.

    Anyway, I’m always interested in what you have to say, so please consider signing on as a contributor. Kim Wilder is still a writer here, but I don’t know if she’s still a Green, and we don’t hear from her often.

  64. Jed Ziggler

    “If I were to suggest some changes, I’d say give a little more attention to the Greens and similar parties (Justice and After Party, maybe the Socialist party) as well as to the Constitutionalists. Give less attention to fringe left and right parties (eg, communists/Leninists, 3rd positionists).”

    Good luck finding anything about the Justice Party. I’ve tried.

    I post content whenever I can find it, regardless of whether a party is “fringe” or not, so long as the party has run candidates in recent memory. I check my email (and have Google alerts, including one for the Justice Party, which has never given me anything), I also check Ballot Access News, Opposition News, Independent Voter Network, Green Party Watch, The Socialist, and The Militant, and lastly I have my Twitter parties & sources list. If anybody else knows of a good news source, let me know.

    Two of my Google alerts are for Bernie Sanders & Angus King, but I’m not sure if they deserve coverage, since they caucus with the Dems.

    It would be nice to have a Green contributing here.

  65. David Terry

    “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
    it is an abomination.” Leviticus 18:22

    I thoroughly checked my copy of the U.S. Constitution, from cover to cover, but I was unable to find ANY reference to any one named Leviticus of having to do with lieing or lying or laying with mankind. Can you provide Article and Paragraph numbers?

    Does this have anything to do with telling a lie to the abominable snowman. If so, it goes without saying that this is NOT a very wise thing to do.

  66. Steven Wilson

    I read articles on the Libertarian, Green, and Reform categories. I don’t know if you can call them categories, but that is the way I read them. Since no one else covers those candidates I think IPR provides a very important service.

    In the past few months Paulie and others have posted about state conventions. They even have posts about LNC meetings. I even sent emails out to get MIssouri information out there. I appreciate the effort it takes.

    I mentioned to Warren about diversity and he said that he was open to ALL parties and their respective leadership writing stories or blogging for updates. At that time, warren said none had come forward to take on the task. I sent out the request to those I had contact information on and most said they didn’t have the time or they thought it was a waste of time.

    If IPR seems more Libertarian, it is because the players here are mostly LP members or they adhere to that philosophy. I comment on Green candidates and reform articles when I have something to say about them.

    In my opinion; that is what IPR is for: information for the sake of discussion.

    I don’t agree with all things, but that is my right. We can’t discuss things in congress and you see how dysfunctional that is. Well, IPR is as open as it can be.

    CHeers to those it make it happen!!

  67. Deran

    I’m a nonaligned socialist and I have never felt unwelcome here by the editors or admins, and really, things are pretty laisse faire here (see, I got a joke in!) compared to other political sites and Facebook groups/pages. I’ve checked out stormfront discussion forums etc. You want to talk about banning and purging! And I hate to mention it, but revleft.com is notorious for sending people to cyberia! Periodically I post socialist-related articles I find to Being A Socialist on Facebook (if they’re election related articles I post them to the open threads here at IPR), and I have a lot more trouble the cranky young Leninist admins there then admins/editors here.

    I’ll be honest, Socialist Alternative is making some electoral headway in the last year or so, but if you are talking about non-Democratic or Republican electoral politics in the US it’s the Libertarian Party who are really out front. The Greens have tried, and perhaps they are regrouping and growing, but after they split from Nader in 2004 I don’t think they ever recovered.

    Maybe in the next couple years there will be a “Left convergence” in the US, but I have stopped holding my breath.

  68. Deran

    Absolutely, George.

    And even though libertarian capitalism is not my thing, I often find the LP posts and reports interesting.

    And I guess I’m not opposed to neo-facists and racists commenting (and I am not at all opposed to reports on the far-right in the US being posted to IPR), but it’s weird, I often find the Vernon’s to be as rude, didactic and ossified in their outlook as their counterparts on the Left – the narrow-minded Leninsts with their rabid obsession with the correct interpretation of their holy texts.

  69. paulie

    I didn’t mean to suggest that you guys ‘intend’ to be a Libertarian propaganda site….just that it works out that way in practice given that non-Libertarian views tend to be grilled in the comments

    I see, so we are talking about comments and not articles after all. We don’t control who comments here (again with rare exceptions). Yes, non-libertarians get grilled but so do libertarians. Allowing a fairly open comment environment is not the same thing at all as being a propaganda site. I think we have been very fair in our article selection.

  70. paulie

    If I were to suggest some changes, I’d say give a little more attention to the Greens and similar parties (Justice and After Party, maybe the Socialist party) as well as to the Constitutionalists. Give less attention to fringe left and right parties (eg, communists/Leninists, 3rd positionists).

    This is not centrally planned. Each person who is signed up to post here decides how many articles to post about which parties and overall (within our parameters). If you become an IPR writer you will help to swing that balance in the direction you want with your choice of articles, but you will not be able to keep others from posting the articles they want. I don’t make that determination for them either, nor does Warren. And it isn’t pre-arranged in any way. People just post about what interests them or because they have made a conscious effort to find other things they believe we should post about.

  71. William Saturn

    “Vernon” is a plagiarist. Maybe he’s a regular commenter here under another persona, maybe not. I have my suspicions about his identity, but Krzysztof is not on my radar.

    I’m glad Krzyztof was brave enough to come on here and express his true opinions rather than attempt to toe the libertarian line without believing it.

    The IPR community is what it is, and I don’t think it should be meddled with. I personally believe we shouldn’t censor any comments except for SPAM and/or anything illegal (i.e. death threats, defamation, etc.). I wish Paulie could better clarify where he draws his line on what to delete.

  72. paulie

    No.

    I have found that only leads to more arguments about whether we are following the guidelines correctly or not, definitions, etc.

    Hardly anything ever gets deleted.

    There are a lot of things that I find very annoying or even offensive and repulsive that do not get deleted.

    There have been far more comments discussing comments being deleted than actual comments that have been deleted.

    Also it’s not entirely Paulie. Other people here have deleted comments too.

    Honestly the whole topic of what gets deleted and what does not is more annoying than anything else, especially when it gets to be a big long drawn out discussion.

    The less of it the better.

  73. Andy

    “Joshua Fauver June 23, 2014 at 2:58 pm
    Correct about what Paulie? You agree with Jill? That nationalist views aren’t welcome here? You’re glad nationalists don’t comment here? The question becomes this, is this a third party and independent news site, or is it a libertarian virtual hangout?”

    People with any political ideology are free to post here. There are more Libertarians here than anything else because the Libertarian Party and movement is larger than other minor party and independent movements in this country, and because there are lots of Libertarians who are computer geeks/internet junkies.

    If you want more people here from more parties/ideologies, then by all means, invite them to post here, but just don’t whine if anyone gets challenged over their ideas/philosophy.

  74. Andy

    Is the Chris Lesiak that posted above the real Chris Lesiak, as in the one who has posted here on and off for the last few years? I’m just wondering if that is really him, or if it is an imposter using his name to troll.

  75. paulie

    I guess his life changing experience from taking acid was reverting back to homophobia and quasi-fascism? So sad.

  76. Jill Pyeatt

    I really hope he was just fooling around. I’d hate to think someone that young has that much nastiness in him.

  77. Andy

    “paulie June 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm
    I guess his life changing experience from taking acid was reverting back to homophobia and quasi-fascism? So sad.”

    “Jill Pyeatt June 23, 2014 at 9:32 pm
    I really hope he was just fooling around. I’d hate to think someone that young has that much nastiness in him.”

    Yeah, it is kind of weird, because he was on here at one point talking about how he smoked weed, and wanted it to be legal, and how he had rejected some of the socially conservative political agenda.

    Now he is on here talking about Polish Nationalism.

    Does anyone know whether he was born in Poland, or born in the USA?

    I actually called Krzysztof Lesiak while the Libertarian Party of Illinois petition drive was happening. He had expressed an interest in working as a paid petition circulator several months before this, so I called him to see if he wanted to try his hand at petitioning. I left one or two messages for him and he never called me back.

  78. Andy

    “paulie June 23, 2014 at 9:29 pm
    Yes, same Chris. I still hope he was just trolling.”

    How do you know it was him? Same IP address?

  79. paulie

    He was born in Poland.

    The whole thing reminds me of The Wall

    While he is in the United States on tour, Pink learns that his wife is having an affair. He compensates with expensive materialistic possessions and turns to a willing groupie, whom he brings back to his hotel room only to trash it in a fit of violence, terrifying the groupie out the apartment.

    Pink slowly begins to lose his mind to metaphorical “worms”. He shaves off all of his body hair and his eyebrows and, while watching The Dam Busters on television, morphs into his neo-fascist alter-ego. Pink’s manager, along with the hotel manager and some paramedics, discover Pink and inject him with drugs to enable him to perform.

    The drugs cause Pink to hallucinate and he fantasises that he is a dictator and his concert is a neo-nazi rally. His followers proceed to attack ethnic minorities, and Pink holds a rally in suburban London, singing “Waiting for the Worms”. The scene is intercut with images of animated marching hammers that goose-step across ruins.

  80. paulie

    How do you know it was him? Same IP address?

    Yes. Also same email address as well.

    I actually called Krzysztof Lesiak while the Libertarian Party of Illinois petition drive was happening. He had expressed an interest in working as a paid petition circulator several months before this, so I called him to see if he wanted to try his hand at petitioning. I left one or two messages for him and he never called me back.

    He changed his phone number.

    I gave him Darryl and Jake’s numbers and he apparently called them but never ended up doing anything.

  81. Andy

    “paulie June 23, 2014 at 9:47 pm
    He was born in Poland.”

    Where was he primarily raised? You were born in Russia, but came to the USA at the age of 7, and you are more of an American than anything else.

  82. Andy

    paulie June 23, 2014 at 9:50 pm “I gave him Darryl and Jake’s numbers and he apparently called them but never ended up doing anything.”

    I did not like the way the LP of IL petition drive was run this time. If it had not been for Jake I probably would not have bothered working in Illinois at all this time.

    The only other reason that I worked there was because there was also a Term Limits initiative petition drive that was going on during part of the same time that I worked on the LP petition in Illinois. I ended up getting ripped off out of some of my pay on the Term Limits petition by on of the mercenary petition coordinators that they hired. This is unrelated to the LP petition. I am still pissed off about this and I’m hoping that I can recoup this money that was stolen from me.

    After the Term Limits petition ended, I decided to leave Illinois, in part because I did not like the way the LP petition drive was being run.

  83. paulie

    I think he was a bit older when he came over, like maybe 12.

    He’s young enough that he never lived under Marxism though.

    And he’s posting this same kind of crud on his facebook page lately, so it’s obviously him. Oddly, he did not express any of this to me when I spoke to him on the phone on his new number.

  84. paulie

    I did not end up working in Illinois at all. I was busy in Alabama til June 3, then Virginia for another week after that. Illinois would have been good til the convention, but they had already allocated out all the signatures and Jake and Darryl both wanted a big override which I judged to be excessive. All my other options were not very good either given the time frame so I came back to Alabama and promptly got sick, so it’s good that I did because I would have just been sick on the road somewhere. I am mostly over it but not completely. Hopefully going to the convention won’t make me sick again.

  85. Andy

    “paulie June 23, 2014 at 10:00 pm
    I think he was a bit older when he came over, like maybe 12.

    He’s young enough that he never lived under Marxism though.”

    I don’t know what life is like in Poland. Do Poles have the right to keep and bear arms? I would not want to live in a country where people do not have the right to keep and bear arms.

    I think most countries are pretty crappy on gun rights, outside of the USA, Switzerland, and Yemen, and maybe a few others.

    I remember a time when it was not uncommon to hear people telling Polish jokes (I used past tense because I have not heard any Polish jokes in a long time). I never understood why the Polish were the butt of so many jokes.

  86. Andy

    Paul said: “All my other options were not very good either given the time frame so I came back to Alabama and promptly got sick, so it’s good that I did because I would have just been sick on the road somewhere.”

    Maybe you would not have gotten sick if you had not gone to Alabama.

  87. Andy

    “paulie June 23, 2014 at 10:00 pm
    I think he was a bit older when he came over, like maybe 12.”

    If he came here when he was 12, and is only 18 now, maybe he’s homesick.

  88. Andy

    “paulie June 23, 2014 at 9:47 pm
    ‘He was born in Poland.

    The whole thing reminds me of The Wall…’

    While he is in the United States on tour, Pink learns that his wife is having an affair. He compensates with expensive materialistic possessions and turns to a willing groupie, whom he brings back to his hotel room only to trash it in a fit of violence, terrifying the groupie out the apartment.

    Pink slowly begins to lose his mind to metaphorical “worms”. He shaves off all of his body hair and his eyebrows and, while watching The Dam Busters on television, morphs into his neo-fascist alter-ego. Pink’s manager, along with the hotel manager and some paramedics, discover Pink and inject him with drugs to enable him to perform.

    The drugs cause Pink to hallucinate and he fantasises that he is a dictator and his concert is a neo-nazi rally. His followers proceed to attack ethnic minorities, and Pink holds a rally in suburban London, singing “Waiting for the Worms”. The scene is intercut with images of animated marching hammers that goose-step across ruins.”

    Pink Floyd have been staples on classic rock radio for years, but outside from a few clips of it years ago, I never saw the movie, “The Wall,” and I was not familiar with the plot.

    This kind of reminds me of that Elliot Rodger kid in California that went nuts and allegedly stabbed three people to death, and then killed three more people with a gun before turning the gun on himself. He talked about fantasies of being a dictator in his Manifesto.

    This also reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s memoirs where he wrote about fantasizing about being dictator.

  89. paulie

    . I never understood why the Polish were the butt of so many jokes.

    I could be wrong, but I think it came out of the inept and short lived Polish Army defense against Hitler, when they greeted the German tanks on horseback.

  90. paulie

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Poland

    Gun ownership in Poland is regulated by the Weapons and Munitions Act. A license is required to keep and purchase firearms. As a result of very strict controls, gun ownership in Poland is the lowest in the European Union, at one firearm per 100 citizens. In order to get a gun license, one must:

    Prove they are not endangering themselves nor general public by passing a psychological evaluation;

    Display that they have clean criminal record;

    Give a valid reason for wanting to own a gun, such as sport shooting or hunting. If the reason is self-defense, one must demonstrate why he believes his life is in danger;

    Pass an exam in proper weapon handling (not required for members of PZSS and PZ?).

    The psychological evaluation must be repeated every 5 years. Some other weapons, such as crossbows, require the same license as is required for firearms.

  91. paulie

    Maybe you would not have gotten sick if you had not gone to Alabama.

    I am pretty sure I was sick before I got even here although it did not become full blown right away.

  92. David Terry

    Hey god! Pollocks are FISH, Polocks are folks who live in Poland.
    Weren’t paying attention when you were doing all at creating shit?

    Actually, it started long before Hitler.

    There was this big soccer game between the Germans and the Poles.
    About half way through the final quarter, a train came by and blasted
    it’s horn. The German’s, thinking the game was over all headed for the
    showers.

    Twenty minutes later the Poles scored the ‘winning’ goal

    :>)

  93. Andy

    “paulie June 23, 2014 at 10:41 pm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Poland

    Gun ownership in Poland is regulated by the Weapons and Munitions Act. A license is required to keep and purchase firearms. As a result of very strict controls, gun ownership in Poland is the lowest in the European Union, at one firearm per 100 citizens.”

    Screw this! It looks like I would not want to live in Poland. I don’t think that I have any Polish ancestors anyway, unless one considers that everyone on the planet is related if you go back far enough in history. So I probably had some ancestor(s) in Europe thousands of years ago where part of a tribe headed east and the other part of the tribe headed west, so my more direct ancestors would have been the part of the tribe that headed west.

    I don’t think that I would like living in most of the European countries. I have ancestors from multiple European countries, and they all left a long time ago. So I don’t really have any connection to Europe or anywhere else other than the USA.

    I’m an American.

    I don’t really know where else in the world I’d go if I left here. The way things are going in this country, I could see some wisdom in leaving, I just don’t know where to go that’s any better. My hope is that the road on which country is headed can be turned around, as in stopping the march toward bigger and bigger government, and moving in the direction of more individual freedom.

  94. paulie

    I don’t really know where else in the world I’d go if I left here. The way things are going in this country, I could see some wisdom in leaving, I just don’t know where to go that’s any better.

    I would probably go to third world countries if I had some money saved up. Expats can live very well there at a lower cost than in the US or other wealthy nations, the governments don’t have resources to enforce most of their laws on any kind of regular basis, most things can be had for a price (which tends to seem like a very reasonable one to someone used to US prices), police on the rare occasions you may run into them can be openly paid off with very little chance that they will balk and put you through the system anyway, and the locals know to avoid them whenever they can, unlike Americans, many of whom foolishly trust the cops and believe whatever BS they see on TV. Best thing to do is to have ties to several nations at once, IE address in one country, bank account in another, passport from a third and so on.

  95. Jill Pyeatt

    I wonder what life is like for expatriots in the UK? I think I could handle Ireland (my heritage), or Wales or something. I’d live quietly (maybe) and make jewelry all day. Sounds divine!

  96. paulie

    I don’t think I would want to live in any European or “first world, developed” nation or any ex-Soviet state.

    Andy, if you haven’t seen the movie version of The Wall, you should definitely see it.

  97. paulie

    Dave Terry. Was a mistake.

    Aside from the unfortunate period and capitalization in the middle of the sentence, that is correct.

  98. paulie

    If I ever were to leave America, my first choice would be Italy. I almost moved there once.

    I lived there for a few months in 1979-80. Not my first choice.

  99. paulie

    I don’t think that I have any Polish ancestors anyway,

    I have some. Very small percentage though, probably less than 1%, maybe 2% at most.

  100. Andy

    “Jed Ziggler June 24, 2014 at 12:02 am
    If I ever were to leave America, my first choice would be Italy. I almost moved there once.”

    I’ve never been to Italy, but I doubt that it would be a very good place to live from a libertarian perspective.

  101. Andy

    “paulie June 24, 2014 at 12:40 am

    ‘I don’t think that I have any Polish ancestors anyway,’

    I have some. Very small percentage though, probably less than 1%, maybe 2% at most.”

    I didn’t know that you were part Polish, although if the percentages you say are true, that’s a very small part.

  102. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt June 23, 2014 at 11:28 pm
    I wonder what life is like for expatriots in the UK? I think I could handle Ireland (my heritage), or Wales or something. I’d live quietly (maybe) and make jewelry all day. Sounds divine!”

    I have some English and Irish ancestry (I think that I’m like 12.5% Irish and a similar percent English), but I don’t think that I’d want to live in either of those countries, although it would be convenient since they both speak English. I don’t like their governments, especially the UK. I can’t stand the British Monarchy (who are apparently actually German, as the Windsor name was apparently made up to cover up their German name).

    The United Kingdom and Ireland are the only two other countries I’ve actually been to, unless one counts Germany, where I spent one day, but I don’t know if it should count, since I spent that entire day on an American military base. My father was in the military, and we took a family vacation when I was a youngster to England. The military offered these cheap flights, which was known as “taking a hop,” where you could fly on a military cargo plane to places where there were American military bases. We flew to Europe on a C-130, which was one of those propeller planes that had the web seats like you see in movies. We flew back on a C-5 Galaxy, which at the time was the largest jet cargo plane (I’m not sure if it still is, or if it is still even being used). We landed in Ireland for some reason, probably to refuel or something. I remember getting out of the plane and walking around in an Irish airport, and I remember some Irish lady was selling Irish cookies, and my parents gave me some money so I could purchase cookies from this lady. We got back on the plane and landed at some American Air Force base in England. We were there for a like a week or 10 days or something like that, and then for some reason we could not get a flight back to where we needed to go in the USA, so we took a commercial flight to Germany, but we landed at some airport that was used in part by the US Air Force. We had to wait a day to catch a “hop” back to the USA, so we spent a full day at this American military base in Germany, so I did not get to see anything German, as being on the American military base was like being back in America, so I’m not sure if I could really count my German experience as having really been in Germany.

    I’ve heard that the UK has even more surveillance cameras than the USA. They also have strict gun control laws, higher taxes, and a big nanny state. Plus, like the US government, the British government gets involved in the affairs of other nations around the world.

    If I were to leave the USA, I’d want to go somewhere where there is more freedom, not less freedom than I have here.

    Ireland looked like a really beautiful country from what I remember, but I doubt that I’d really want to live there either.

  103. Andy

    “god June 24, 2014 at 12:16 am
    St. Riley Hood will be president one day.”

    Now this is a scary thought. The comedians would have a field day with him though.

  104. Andy

    “The United Kingdom and Ireland are the only two other countries I’ve actually been to, unless one counts Germany”

    I’ve flown over Canada a couple of times, but I don’t count fly overs. I’ve also been close enough to the Canadian border to see it, but I never actually crossed it.

    I’ve been right next to the Mexican border on a few occasions, but I never crossed it.

    I’ve been to Puerto Rico, but Puerto Rico is a US Territory, so that does not count as another country.

    I’ve done a lot of traveling, but the majority of it has been within the 48 contiguous states.

  105. Andy

    Paul said: ” Best thing to do is to have ties to several nations at once, IE address in one country, bank account in another, passport from a third and so on.”

    This sounds like advice from libertarian investment guru, Doug Casey, of course this is easier for somebody who is rich like he is.

  106. Jill Pyeatt

    The video on the June Open Thread is from The Wall. The work is astonishing, nothing short of genius.

  107. langa

    People (libertarians or non-libertarians) who are not prepared to defend their political views should stay away from political discussion forums. I don’t think the “grilling” here is very harsh, compared to other political forums. In fact, it used to be more intense back in the old GE days.

    Aside from all the banning and deleting (which is both more frequent and more arbitrary than some people care to admit), I find this site to be run in a very fair manner.

  108. langa

    If i had to leave the U.S., I think I would try somewhere in Latin America. I’ve never been there, but the weather seems to be nice, and I used to speak a little Spanish (although I’m very rusty these days), so I don’t think the language barrier would be too much of an issue.

    I’ve heard that Costa Rica is particularly nice, and actually a bit more libertarian than a lot of places, so that would probably be my first choice.

  109. Andy

    “langa June 24, 2014 at 1:44 am
    People (libertarians or non-libertarians) who are not prepared to defend their political views should stay away from political discussion forums”

    I agree. Politics is not for the thin skinned. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

    “I’ve heard that Costa Rica is particularly nice, and actually a bit more libertarian than a lot of places, so that would probably be my first choice.”

    I’ve also heard that Costa Rica is not as libertarian as some libertarians think it is.

  110. Thomas L. Knapp

    I’ve heard nice things about Dominica (not the Dominican Republic — Dominica). But it does cost something like $100k to purchase citizenship there.

    Polish nationalism is sort of like Confederate revanchism — ugly and hard to kill off, but likely to be brutally suppressed at the first sign of taking shape as a real political power. Poland has only existed as a nation intermittently, and then generally on the sufferance of Germany and Russia when those two have found it convenient to have a “national” buffer separating them.

  111. Nicholas Sarwark

    I’ve heard nice things about Dominica (not the Dominican Republic — Dominica). But it does cost something like $100k to purchase citizenship there.

    I lived there once. It’s very pretty (most of the Caribbean is), but very poor, very small, and prone to hurricane damage.

    For all of the problems we Libertarians identify with the United States, it’s still, on net, a much freer and better place to live than most of the world. Especially when judged by the factors most Libertarians care about.

  112. Thomas L. Knapp

    Nick,

    For expats, I’m given to understand that “very poor” is a feature, not a bug insofar as if one has what might be a very limited income in US terms, it goes pretty far in those poorer places. My main concern when researching it (which I did, just a little) was “how easy is it to get Internet access” (since pretty much everything I do work-wise is on the Internet, I can work from anywhere that I can get access). It looked like one could get reasonably priced DSL-type access in the capital (Roseau), but probably just satellite anywhere else.

    Good luck in your election this coming week!

  113. Nicholas Sarwark

    For expats, I’m given to understand that “very poor” is a feature, not a bug insofar as if one has what might be a very limited income in US terms, it goes pretty far in those poorer places.

    Poor makes a place good to live with a limited income. Very poor makes it unpleasant and inconvenient. The ideal is a stable cost of living that’s below the US, but sufficiently high that an expat can actually find things in the store and the streets aren’t visibly squalid. I didn’t live in Roseau (we lived in the other city), so maybe Roseau proper meets that criteria.

    Islands suck for Internet access as well as cost of imported goods. This is a trade off one has to make for having snorkeling out the front door and jungle out the back.

    Also, never underestimate the risk of a white supremacist coup.

  114. paulie

    I didn’t know that you were part Polish, although if the percentages you say are true, that’s a very small part.

    I’m small part a lot of thing. About 80% Jewish ancestry, the next biggest parts are Russian and Siberian Native/Mongol, after that probably Ukrainian, French, and German, and then when you get into the 1% or less range everything from Polish, Hungarian, Turkish, to who knows what. The whole East European/Jewish diaspora mishmash essentially. There’s probably other stuff in there I don’t even know – Spaniard, Moor, Roman, ancient Egyptian, Assyrian, Mesopotamian? Who knows.

  115. paulie

    I’ve flown over Canada a couple of times, but I don’t count fly overs. I’ve also been close enough to the Canadian border to see it, but I never actually crossed it.

    I’ve been right next to the Mexican border on a few occasions, but I never crossed it.

    I’ve been to Puerto Rico, but Puerto Rico is a US Territory, so that does not count as another country.

    I’ve done a lot of traveling, but the majority of it has been within the 48 contiguous states.

    I’ve been pretty much everywhere in North America – every US State except Hawaii, DC, PR, every Canadian territory and province except Nunavut which did not exist then, every Mexican state, every country in Central America, every major island in the Caribbean and many of the minor ones. Only the northern tip of South America.

    Haven’t been back on the other side of the big oceans since I was seven, but I lived there until then – mostly Russia, one summer in Ukraine, a week in Vienna, three months in Italy.

    Not as many places as Doug Casey but more than most people.

  116. paulie

    ” Best thing to do is to have ties to several nations at once, IE address in one country, bank account in another, passport from a third and so on.”

    This sounds like advice from libertarian investment guru, Doug Casey, of course this is easier for somebody who is rich like he is.

    Well, yeah, everything is easier when you are rich (except holding on to what you have). You don’t have to be as rich as Doug to do this but it helps to be a good bit better off than I am right now.

  117. paulie

    I don’t think the “grilling” here is very harsh, compared to other political forums. In fact, it used to be more intense back in the old GE days.

    True. And libertarians grill each other, if anything, more harshly than we grill other people.

  118. paulie

    If i had to leave the U.S., I think I would try somewhere in Latin America. I’ve never been there, but the weather seems to be nice

    Depends on what you consider nice. Most of it is hot, but there are a lot of different places in Latin America.

    I’ve heard that Costa Rica is particularly nice, and actually a bit more libertarian than a lot of places, so that would probably be my first choice.

    I like the East Coast there, and Belize – really the whole East Coast of Central America. English is widely spoken there and there is a strong Native and Caribbean cultural mix with the Latin. Belize was the only English colony, the rest were Spanish, but they are a mix and have more in common with each other than with their respective nation-states.

  119. paulie

    I’ve also heard that Costa Rica is not as libertarian as some libertarians think it is.

    That’s also true. Neither is Somalia or New Hampshire or Chile or anywhere else that some people try to make out to be libertopia.

  120. paulie

    For all of the problems we Libertarians identify with the United States, it’s still, on net, a much freer and better place to live than most of the world. Especially when judged by the factors most Libertarians care about.

    Which factors do you think most Libertarians care about? If I did not have to worry about making a living or getting back into the US to visit family, I would say I found Latin America and Caribbean nations to be freer and better on the things I care about – in practice anyway, as the laws tend to be retarded but not enforced.

    I should qualify that it has been a while since I have been out of the US – probably 2005 or so for my last trip to Mexico, 2002 for my last trip beyond the border zone, and 1989 was I think the last time in any other non-US nations. So, things have changed, I’m sure. But then they have changed in the US as well. I’ve also never really tried to operate an “above ground” business outside the US, except for my import-export business in Central America, which was only about as above ground as an iceberg.

  121. Thomas L. Knapp

    I think there’s probably an optimal amount of corruption at certain levels, and the US is unfortunately below that optimum at the individual level and above that optimum at an institutional level.

    What you want is just enough corruption that a small bribe will to an individual bureaucrat will grease the rails when it comes to certain BS (e.g. “you need to file all this paperwork in triplicate … or one picture of Benjamin Franklin will get you a waiver”), but not enough that every government organization is running around trying to shake everyone down all day long.

  122. paulie

    Free speech, low corruption, gun rights, relatively low levels of economic regulation.

    Free speech is fairly plentiful in the less developed nations I have been to, unless you give a shit about their own government, but I did not. Internet was not a big thing back then, but it’s pretty universal now and I doubt they have the kinds of resources that, say, the NSA does to monitor people. And of course you can find anything you want online from porn to US or European political sites to places to spout off your opinions on automobile repair, kitchen remodeling, sports, cooking, etc, etc.

    Corruption is better than bureaucracy. Say you get caught driving sightly, but not very, drunk, with no license or registration much less proof of insurance or car inspection, while getting a three dollar blowjob from a hooker who is as far as you know of legal age and you have a fifteen dollar eight ball of cocaine in your pocket. If you have a couple of hundred dollars to spread around, no problemo. In the less corrupt US, major problemo, and the blow and blow job are way more expensive to boot.

    Gun rights? See corruption.

    Low levels of economic regulation? A good chunk of the economy is gray market, informal and completely unlicensed. You may have to pay off some cops every now and again but it’s a straightforward transaction, not the constant bureaucracy we are saddled with in America.

    Making enough money not to live third world poor, or actually starve? Haven’t figured that part out yet.

  123. Dave Terry, esq.

    > June 24, 2014 at 12:07 am
    god; “Dave Terry. Was a mistake”.

    Well, so much for omniscience and infallibility; not to mention grammar, punctuation and sentence structure

  124. Jed Ziggler

    “I’ve never been to Italy, but I doubt that it would be a very good place to live from a libertarian perspective.”

    I’m not speaking from a libertarian perspective, I’m speaking from a climate, aesthetic beauty, and cultural history perspective. Also, food.

    From a libertarian perspective, I would stay in America. I’m not a doom-and-gloom guy, I know that things will get better. No one can tell me otherwise.

  125. Andy

    “Jed Ziggler June 24, 2014 at 12:57 pm
    ‘I’ve never been to Italy, but I doubt that it would be a very good place to live from a libertarian perspective.’

    I’m not speaking from a libertarian perspective, I’m speaking from a climate, aesthetic beauty, and cultural history perspective. Also, food.”

    There are lots of very nice places in this world from this perspective, including right here in the USA.

  126. Andy

    I’ve heard that kidnappings for ransom are common in some of the 3rd world countries.

  127. Vernon

    Well, how convenient for you all to discuss me and then censor my reply! This has already been censored once, so let’s see if it lasts this time…Commies!

    Well, well, well, for not having commented in this thread until now, I certainly have a lot of you talking about me! First of all let me say that almost everything Riley Hood says in the original article is exactly right! The only weak point is him perpetuating the phony holohoax sob story that the zionists invented as a libel against Germany. Also, Hood looks feminine with his long hair, like a homo. He should shave his head for battle, put on the boots and braces, and embrace his White heritage. Stop acting like a sissy bitch and go out like me representing the White race with two swastikas freshly branded on my face! I guarantee you that if Riley Hood and I showed up in prison fresh off the bus, all the White brothers would see my shaved head and tattoos and embrace me as a brother, and they would see his long goldilocks and use him like the woman that he appears to be. Also Krzysztof Lesiak (who is not me BTW, lol) is almost completely on point with his comments and I congratulate him for making the right choice, avoiding the jewed out Likudatarian Party and joining the AFP. The only thing he is wrong about is that Slavs should reject national socialism just because Hitler believed that Germans were better than Slavs. Most White activists have long since gotten past that, in fact in our time by far the biggest and best contingent of National Socialist White Power activists is Slavic. And even back in Hitler days there were Slavic SS units fighting for the Aryan race in every Slavic nation. Instead of these intra-White squabbles we need to stand together and fight our racial enemies, we are an endangered race and the evil jews and inferior mud people just love it when Whites reject national socialism and racial pride for such internecine reasons that belong in the dustbin of history.

    Deran writes

    “And I guess I’m not opposed to neo-facists and racists commenting (and I am not at all opposed to reports on the far-right in the US being posted to IPR), but it’s weird, I often find the Vernon’s to be as rude, didactic and ossified in their outlook as their counterparts on the Left – the narrow-minded Leninsts with their rabid obsession with the correct interpretation of their holy texts.”

    What does this have to do with Vernon? I am no narrow sectarian. I don’t care if you are Polish or Italian, Asatru Pagan or Christan Identity, National Socialist Movement or Ku Klux Klan, or even National Socialist, National Corporatist or National Anarchist. You can be a Neo-Confederate Libertarian or a Pan-Nationalist Syndicalist. We all need to band together to preserve the White race and secure a future for White children. It is literally the only thing that matters. Preservation of the race is all; there is no other issue until we prevail. It is up to each of us to prepare and train for Racial Holy War, to have as many White children as we possibly can, and to teach them to fight, to be proud of their race and to hate our enemies.

    William Saturn writes ““Vernon” is a plagiarist. ”

    Oh, get over it. The quotes were emailed to me by a White brother you would not know, and he did not say he did not write them, I did not know they were on the web somewhere and what difference does it make anyway? I did not claim I wrote them and I agree with what they say. It is ironic that the real author turned out to be a dirty jew. It must take some balls for a Satanic khazar to call the White race “us,” but there you have it. As for debating Saturn, I have no shortage of people to debate, and if I do so I will do it some place that actually gets a substantial audience such as Stormfront. It won’t be here due to the censorious Commie Jew commissars that run this shithole nor will it be on Saturn’s obscure blog.

    Sieg Heil! 14/88!

  128. William Saturn

    Vernon wrote:

    Oh, get over it. The quotes were emailed to me by a White brother you would not know, and he did not say he did not write them, I did not know they were on the web somewhere and what difference does it make anyway? I did not claim I wrote them and I agree with what they say. It is ironic that the real author turned out to be a dirty jew. It must take some balls for a Satanic khazar to call the White race “us,” but there you have it. As for debating Saturn, I have no shortage of people to debate, and if I do so I will do it some place that actually gets a substantial audience such as Stormfront. It won’t be here due to the censorious Commie Jew commissars that run this shithole nor will it be on Saturn’s obscure blog.

    I untrashed Vernon’s post above since it is in reply to me (and others).

    Vernon, maybe we can debate this important topic via e-mail and then post it to IPR and then you can post it to Stormfront or wherever. What do you say? wssaturn@gmail.com

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