Judge Napolitano on Whether He Wants to Run for Office or Not

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My husband and I attended a special event today in Orange County, CA. The Mises Institute had a conference called Society Without the State: Law and Order in a Free World. Speakers were Jeff Deist, President of the Mises Institute; David Gordon, a Senior Fellow at the Institute; Llewellyn Rockwell, founder and chairman of the Mises Institue, and editor of LewRockwell.com (among other credentials); Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Distinguished Scholar at the Institute, televison commentator and author; and Dr. Ron Paul, a now-retired 12 term Congressman. Dr. Paul was the 1988 Candidate for president for the Libertarian party.

It was quite well-attended. The room was full, and apparently there was an overflow room downstairs where people could watch the live broadcast. The Institute streamed the event through the computer, also, I believe (and we were told there would certainly be videos posted sometime soon).

During the afternoon break, the Institute had a photographer there who took a photo of each of us who desired to with Dr. Paul, and then with Andrew Napolitano. We were advised we’d be sent a link with the photos that we can have for free. I’ll post them here when I get them, if they turn out decently.

Of course, there were tons of books and we were able to have the writers autograph them, if we wished. My house has a dozen new books tonight, added to the big stacks of other books we’ll get to someday. Judge Napolitano had his new book there, which will be officially released on November 18, called “Suicide Pact”, which is about the troubling results of Presidential overreach.

Something interesting that happened that might interest IPR readers: there was a survey we were asked to fill in at registration to indicate the philosophy of government closest to our personal belief. The choices were Anarcho-capitalist, Minarchist, Libertarian, Classical liberal/conservative, Moderate/independent, Progressive/liberal, or Other. The results were a bit surprising to me. Apparently the vast majority of people checked Anarcho/capitalist! This was a room full of people who most likely had some money because the fee itself was a little high, and also we learned many people had traveled here from other states. The next most common category was Libertarian, and I don’t quite recall the order of the others, except that no one had checked Progressive/liberal.

I spoke with Ron Paul for a short time (he was quite in demand, unsurprisingly), and I was lucky enough to spend some time visiting with Carol Wells Paul (Ron’s wife). I found her to be absolutely delightful! She’s from the same community as my husband, and apparently Alan’s mother was the art teacher for their granddaughter at one point. Alan had met them both before because he’s been a Libertarian forever, but I hadn’t met either one. I had heard Ron speak once before in the spring in 2012 at UCLA, along with some other 8,000 to 10,000 people.

Judge Napolitano was quite an engaging speaker, which brings me to the main reason I’ve written this article (and the tie-in to third parties). When the event was over, he sat down to sign someone’s book, and I waited and asked if I could ask him a question. I introduced myself and told him I wrote for a third-party blog, and that his name came up often as far as possibly running for office. So, I asked him: “Do you have any interest in running for office?” And his answer was–I wrote it down so I could report it exactly–

“Probably not–I’d like to see Rand Paul elected.”

So, there you have it!

 

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76 thoughts on “Judge Napolitano on Whether He Wants to Run for Office or Not

  1. Robert Capozzi

    Seems like an incomplete answer. Rand Paul has been elected, after all.

    So, I guess he took it to mean “run for prez.”

  2. NewFederalist

    Too bad “Da Judge” is backing Rand but I guess that is about what one might expect from a pragmatic popular media personality. Hopefully he can be turned from “the dark side” once Rand either totally sells out to the mainstream GOP or gets clobbered in the nominating process.

  3. Andy

    ““Probably not–I’d like to see Rand Paul elected.”

    Darn! I wish that I could have spoken to him. I’d have suggested that he run as for the Libertarian Party nomination AFTER Rand Paul gets eliminated from the Republican primaries.

  4. Pete Blome

    What a shame. I too had hopes he would run on the Libertarian ticket ever since the Geraldo show reported that he was interested in doing so in January 2013. Since he is now backing Rand Paul, who unlike his dad is an advocate for a greater role for the state in all our lives, I can only conclude Napolitano made that fateful decision so many public leaders make not to “crap where he eats.” He eats by being mainstream. He eats by working within the major parties. He eats by being controversial but not too controversial. He can talk libertarian all he likes, which I think is good, but he can still live with the two party folks while collecting a paycheck. I just hope he keeps talking libertarian. Only time will tell if he decides to go along to get along, not fight the fed, trade liberty for security, or that in the long run non of this makes any difference, because is the long run we are all dead.

  5. paulie

    Pretty sure this is the same answer he has given before. It’s not really ruling out the possibility that he could run for the LP nomination if Rand Paul’s chances at the Republican nomination are slim to none by that point, as I expect they will be. I wouldn’t really expect him to be saying anything to suggest he thinks Rand Paul will fail until it happens.

    At that point, this answer, which he will keep giving between now and then, will no longer be applicable. I still don’t expect him to seek the LP nomination then, since I think it would be a downgrade for him careerwise, but it could happen, and would not be going against what he is saying now.

    Of course, “see Rand Paul elected” could mean as VP as well, and I thik Rand Paul has a better chance at the Republican VP nomination than their presidential nomination.

  6. paulie

    Pete Blome

    ” Since he is now backing Rand Paul”

    It’s not something new. He has been a long time close friend and ally of both Ron and Rand Paul.

  7. paulie

    NF

    “Too bad “Da Judge” is backing Rand but I guess that is about what one might expect from a pragmatic popular media personality. Hopefully he can be turned from “the dark side” once Rand either totally sells out to the mainstream GOP or gets clobbered in the nominating process.”

    Exactly.

  8. paulie

    Andy

    “Darn! I wish that I could have spoken to him. I’d have suggested that he run as for the Libertarian Party nomination AFTER Rand Paul gets eliminated from the Republican primaries.”

    I very highly doubt you’d have been the first one to make that suggestion to him. I’m sure he has thought about it, and there may be an outside chance he is considering that option or even has that as his plan, which does not mean that he is going to suggest to a blog audience now that he doesn’t have confidence in his candidate for the Republican nomination winning.

  9. paulie

    Not sure what you mean. Napolitano would give the same answer regardless of whether Ron Paul is anywhere nearby, and Ron Paul himself is done running for office.

  10. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I had the feeling he had given the answer before, as there was no hesitiation on his part. However, when he answered me he stood up to leave. Talking about it wouldn’t have been appropriate because his body language didn’t encourage it. No one else was around though, like Ron or his wife to hear the answer. He put his hand on my shoulder as he left, though, which I thought was charming.

    He seems to be a genuine, warm man. When I had my picture taken with him earlier, I said “I’m honored to meet you”, and he said “Thank you, Sweetheart!” I was quite tickled by that!

  11. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    i keep hearing everyone say here that Rand has no chance for the Republican nomination, and I simply don’t agree. It’s clear he’s not the top choice of the PTB, but the way he’s doing things is making him clearly the choice of many Republicans. If the GOP cheats and changes rules to get him out like they did Ron in 2012, they might as well say “We’re completely irrelevant as a Party, and have no plans to win in 2016.”

    Of course, the Republican Party hasn’t exactl;y been known for their savviness or ethics the past two presidential nominating cycles, but I don’t think Rand as the candidate for President is an impossiblity.

  12. Jed Ziggler

    I think Rand Paul has an excellent shot at the GOP nomination, and I think it would kill whatever momentum the liberty movement has gained. The media has already built Rand up as the libertarian standard-bearer, and if he gets into the White House and starts enacting neocon policy (or really just advocates it on the campaign trail, which he’s already doing), it’s the beginning of the end of libertarianism in America. Libertarianism will become synonymous with right-wing corporatocracy.

    Rand Paul is not a libertarian, but the media is attempting to paint him as one, and that is why I continue to stress: Rand Paul is the most dangerous candidate in the race. He cannot be allowed to win!

  13. andy

    The republican party is way too corrupt to allow somebody like rand paul to win their presidential nomination.

  14. Mike Kane

    Not incredibly surprised.

    I agree with Pete Blome on this one. Which is very rare considering Pete and I do not see eye to eye on very much at all.

    I yearn for a day where folks like Rand Paul and Gary Johnson are the two major party candidates and the LP can nominate a real Libertarian.

    I doubt we’ll see that in our lifetimes. But still, that would be gerat.

  15. Dave Terry

    > “The results were a bit surprising to me. Apparently the vast minority of people checked Anarcho/capitalist! This was a room full of people who most likely had some money because the fee itself was a little high, and also we learned many people had traveled here from other states. The next most common category was Libertarian,”

    I would love it IF it is true, but I suspect that you made a typo and wrote “the vast minority” in error and meant to write “the vast majority”.

  16. langa

    Rand Paul has a better chance at the Republican VP nomination than their presidential nomination.

    I agree. I don’t think the GOP establishment has any interest in seeing Rand at the top of the ticket. Even though he’s not nearly as libertarian as his father, he’s still considerably more libertarian than any GOP presidential nominee since at least Goldwater.

    On the other hand, I think the GOP establishment might welcome him being the VP candidate. It would energize the Tea Party portion of their base, and it might even win over some slightly more hardcore libertarians. Meanwhile, they wouldn’t have to worry about what he would do if he got elected, since the VP doesn’t really wield much power. It would be a win-win for them.

    Overall, I’d give Rand about a 10% chance at getting the Presidential nomination, and about a 30% chance at the VP spot.

  17. Robert Capozzi

    jz: The media has already built Rand up as the libertarian standard-bearer, and if he gets into the White House and starts enacting neocon policy (or really just advocates it on the campaign trail, which he’s already doing), it’s the beginning of the end of libertarianism in America. Libertarianism will become synonymous with right-wing corporatocracy….I continue to stress: Rand Paul is the most dangerous candidate in the race. He cannot be allowed to win!

    me: My feedback is this sounds awfully paranoid, and unsupported. To say that Rand is a “neocon” seems odd, since while one might quibble with RP2’s f.p. views, he’s hardly one who advocates for perpetual war. (If he has, a cite would help us understand.) To see no difference between RP2 and, say, McCain is to not pay attention, all due respect.

    The paranoid thread seems to be: RP2 is not L, but he’s labeled as L. This is a mislabel. RP2, then, causes irreparable harm to the L brand. You close this with RP2 “cannot be allowed to win,” which might catch the eye of the Secret Service.

  18. paulie

    I’m not a mind reader, but I don’t think anyone meant it that way, and I am not aware of Rand Paul having secret service protection right now. Not that I would or should be aware of it if he does.

  19. Thane "Goldie" Eichenauer

    “Rand Paul is not a libertarian, but the media is attempting to paint him as one, and that is why I continue to stress: Rand Paul is the most dangerous candidate in the race. He cannot be allowed to win!”

    “Rand Paul is not a libertarian” – correct. “he media is attempting to paint him as one” – it isn’t just “the media”. “Rand Paul is the most dangerous candidate in the race” – I disagree. If the problem is “the media” and inaccurate coverage then the most dangerous candidate isn’t a candidate at all it is people, groups, businesses and organizations than offer inaccurate information. Frankly after 2008 and Ron Paul I am surprised that people even worry about Rand Paul being nominated for the 2016 campaign. Personally if someone were to claim that Rand Paul was libertarian, Libertarian, libertarian-leaning or libertarianish I would just ask that person, does Rand Paul advocate for the immediate legalization of cocaine. The answer is no. Anybody paying attention is aware that Rand Paul is not a libertarian. The problem is that rather few voters pay attention. If Rand Paul happens to be the latest bait and switch when it comes to accurate description of a {l|L}ibertarian candidate that wouldn’t surprise me in the least. He isn’t likely to be the last one either.

    “Rand Paul is Not a Libertarian” http://www.lpky.org/node/159

  20. Robert Capozzi

    pf, right. “Cannot be allowed to win” has a ominous, threatening tone, but it’s not an explicit threat. Still, I suggest less threatening language, particularly from those on the fringe. RP2 I don’t believe has SS protection. I think they get it at some point in the primaries if they are viewed as serious.

  21. Jed Ziggler

    There was nothing threatening even implied in the words I used, Capozzi’s just a troll who tries to start shit with everybody on here. I suggest everyone just ignores him, like I do.

  22. Mark Axinn

    Jill, writing of the Republican Party: [T]hey might as well say “We’re completely irrelevant as a Party, and have no plans to win in 2016.”

    That is certainly the case right now in my state and most of the northeast, but I read somewhere that they won a bunch of Senate seats in the South and the West so the Republican Party ain’t dead yet.

  23. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Joshua, my experience is that many ancaps (which is what I am now) don’t readily admit to it because of the negative association. However, the group was of like-minded people and the survey was anonymous, so I really shouldn’t have been surprised.

  24. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Jed said: “Capozzi’s just a troll who tries to start shit with everybody on here. I suggest everyone just ignores him, like I do.”

    That is my opinion, also.

  25. Dave Terry

    JP> “my experience is that many ancaps (which is what I am now) don’t readily admit to it because of the negative association” <

    I would suggest the opposite is true: some folks are attracted to anarchism due to it's iconoclastic nature. There are TWO components of every revolution; (a) those who are primarily interested in toppling the old regime and (b) those who are primarily interested in establishing the new regime.

    Needless to say most, "anarchists" are fundamentally 'nihilists" and almost immediately turn on their;erstwhile 'progressive' libertarian allies as proponents of an "inherently" evil status-quo.

    Ergo; Anarchists cannot cope with Libertarians and vice-versa!. .
    ..

  26. Jed Ziggler

    “I agree with Capozzi at 6:07 am. I too wish Ziggler would back up his assertions with fact rather than engage in ad hominem attacks across the board.”

    I expressed my opinion. I have the right to my opinion, Billy. I have the right to go with my gut on this guy, Billy.

    I have very little patience with fake libertarians. The very mention of Rand Paul makes me seethe with rage.

  27. Robert Capozzi

    jz: The very mention of Rand Paul makes me seethe with rage.

    me: YMMV, but in my experience, being in a state of rage is not conducive to clear thinking. I wonder whether your rage extends to Napolitano, too, since he’s reportedly expressed support for RP2.

    Personally, I’m not super supportive of either, but I appreciate that they are lessarchists and both seem reasonably effective in changing the nation’s political conversation. I found RP2’s Senate filibuster one of the most positive political gestures in recent memory.

    And, while in your mind, I may well be a “troll,” it’s interesting that you’ve not bothered to map out how you consider RP2 to be a “neocon.”

    Ad hominem attacks can work, but not for radical, inquisitive minds,

  28. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    BTW, Jed, thanks for explaining what your problem with Rand was. I meant to ask you last week after you said you’d vote for Hillary before Rand.

    Hillary’s a proven war criminal,in my opinion. Rand Paul is not. I couldn’t support Hillary if my other choice was that strange, chubby North Korea leader. I’m still willing to give the younger Dr. Paul the benefit of a doubt.

  29. Andy

    “Jill Pyeatt Post author

    November 10, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    BTW, Jed, thanks for explaining what your problem with Rand was. I meant to ask you last week after you said you’d vote for Hillary before Rand.

    Hillary’s a proven war criminal,in my opinion. Rand Paul is not. I couldn’t support Hillary if my other choice was that strange, chubby North Korea leader. I’m still willing to give the younger Dr. Paul the benefit of a doubt.”

    Whatever flaws Rand Paul might have, Hillary Clinton is many, many, many times worse.

  30. paulie

    Frankly after 2008 and Ron Paul I am surprised that people even worry about Rand Paul being nominated for the 2016 campaign.

    He has a better chance than Ron Paul, but far from “excellent,” and only by selling out the last remaining good things he stands for. As far as the conjecture that he is secretly more libertarian than his public stances, I see no reason to assume that, any more than that he is secretly less libertarian than his public stances. Hillary was a Goldwater girl, maybe she’s the real stealth libertarian. I don’t think she is, but it’s as logic as presuming that Rand Paul has a secret agenda just because of who his father is.

  31. Mark Axinn

    Paulie-

    Two of my law firm colleagues went to Yale Law School with Hillary Clinton. They got her fucking picture up on the wall.

    She ain’t no stealth Libertarian. 🙁

  32. Mark Axinn

    BTW, one of the members of the Clintonista Corner in my firm told me he voted for McDermott since he knew Cuomo would win by a landslide and every vote LPNY got meant a lot.

    Very decent of him.

  33. Andy

    Paul said: ” I don’t think she is, but it’s as logic as presuming that Rand Paul has a secret agenda just because of who his father is.”

    The bottom line is Rand Paul’s voting record in the Senate. I’d like to do a thorough analysis of it at some point, but as far as I know, he has a good voting record.

  34. paulie

    The bottom line is Rand Paul’s voting record in the Senate.

    It’s part of the bottom line, but not the only part. Senators are free to cast many symbolic votes that they know won’t impact the outcome and introduce bills that they know will not pass. An executive’s job is a bit different than a Senator’s. His speeches and endorsements also give some clue about his policies, along with his record. Ontheissues.org is among some good places to start in looking to analyze his record and surmise how he might govern if he ever becomes president.

    And then there are all the debts he would have to undertake to his party and to the permanent government to be allowed to rise to that level, were it to happen.

    Two of my law firm colleagues went to Yale Law School with Hillary Clinton. They got her fucking picture up on the wall.

    I hope it’s from law school. You’d have to be pretty twisted to want to see her fucking now, much less frame it. 🙂

    She ain’t no stealth Libertarian. 🙁

    She’s not, in any sense that would make any difference as far as her actions if she gets elected or her rhetoric in public, but when I met her back in the 1980s she did have a rather different take on things in private than her public political persona would indicate.

  35. paulie

    BTW, one of the members of the Clintonista Corner in my firm told me he voted for McDermott since he knew Cuomo would win by a landslide and every vote LPNY got meant a lot.

    Very decent of him.

    Agreed. I wish more people knew about that aspect of the law. I think we’d get enough votes on that basis alone if everyone did.

  36. paulie

    Trying to figure out whether that is a work of fiction, an Onion-style parody, something akin to a supermarket tabloid with aliens and Elvis, or an NSA experiment in how many people will spread totally baseless nonsense. Maybe more than one of those.

  37. William Saturn

    Paulie said: “She’s not, in any sense that would make any difference as far as her actions if she gets elected or her rhetoric in public, but when I met her back in the 1980s she did have a rather different take on things in private than her public political persona would indicate.”

    This sounds interesting. I’d like to hear more about this story.

  38. paulie

    Not really something I can talk about in detail. I had an import-export business that had some government contracts and did business in Central America. We used some small airports in a number of southern states including Arkansas. As part of our business dealings there was a meeting at the governors mansion, followed by dinner and drinks. I am not sure I’m even supposed to discuss that much, much less any additional details, but I have revealed the previous part to various people and probably mentioned it in IPR comments before. In any case, our contracts involved a non-disclosure agreement so I can’t really go into detail.

    I don’t think the governor or anyone else there had any idea that I was underage at the time, since I looked and talked a lot older than I was. The few people involved with approving the contract who knew didn’t care, they just wanted a job done and it got done. I had older business partners and they had their reasons for doing business with us.

  39. paulie

    I haven’t been there much in a while. Looks like it has been completely taken over by Randroid-Paulbots (do we need a new term to distinguish them from Ayn Randroids and Ron Paulbots? Randbots maybe?) …but I guess that’s to be expected.

  40. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Thanks for the link. This group doesn’t have the nastiness of hard-care Republicans. I really don’t think Rand should be written off as a candidate. I think there’s a possibility the PTB in the GOP won’t be able to cast him aside like they did Ron.

  41. paulie

    Yes, but that possibility depends on him becoming their wholly indentured servant. Otherwise he can forget it it.

    I invite anyone from RPF who is reading here to jump into the debate here as well. If you never commented at IPR your first comment will get moderated, but then after that you can speak freely with very limited exceptions or automated spam filter hiccups.

  42. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Ditto to what Paulie said. Since someone brought up Jesse Ventura (although it may have been sarcastic), we’d be happy to discuss that as well.

  43. paulie

    Wow, all kinds of assumptions floating around about us on that Rand Paul Forums (they should just officially change the name and URL from the looks of it) thread, but they don’t come here to engage us.

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  45. paulie

    It’s the settings. Sometimes spam uses pingbacks. I like seeing them too, but I can no longer adjust those settings; you’d have to ask the Redlich brothers.

  46. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I never know what to do with pingbacks. Someone puts them in spam sometimes, so I did for a while, but I’ll stop doing that.

  47. paulie

    I only put the spam ones in spam and keep the useful ones. But lately it seems to put most of them in spam automatically so I figured the Redlichs changed a setting, but I can’t even look to see anymore much less change it 🙁

  48. Martin Passoli

    So does anyone want to go to Rand Paul Forums and invite people discussing it there to come over here?

  49. Martin Passoli

    “http://www.politicalears.com/blog/source-gop-leaders-have-already-selected-2016-presidential-ticket/”

    I believe the headline, but not the story.

  50. JOE L'AMARCA

    Elect Gerald Celente from the trends journal …

    CONFERENCE NEWS link at TrendsResearch.com.

  51. ATM

    I agree with Judge Napolitano. I have some differences with Rand Paul also, but I think we need to be practical here and support Rand Paul to stop Hillary Clinton. I do believe he will get the Republican nomination and beat her and that he will be by far the best President in US History bar none. He will make mom and dad proud! As for the Libertarian Party I think we have enough Paul supporters that we can bring to the convention to nominate NOTA for President so the LP does not spoil Rand Paul’s election against the evil commie witch Hillary.

  52. paulie

    It depends on how many concessions he would have to make to get the Republican nomination and get elected, how strong or weak he would be vis a vis Congress and others in his own administration (holding the top spot says relatively little about who is really in charge), whether he would like to complete his term(s) without any type of unfortunate early ending by various shadowy forces or at the hands of congress, etc. I’m sure he would love to appoint Judge Nap to the supreme court, but there might be other considerations.

  53. Dave Terry

    ATM> “I do believe he (Rand) will get the Republican nomination and beat her and that he will be by far the best President in US History bar none.”

    WOW! That some outrageous blow you are smoking!

    OR

    You ARE kidding, right??????

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