NYT: Bloomberg independent bid likely contingent on Sanders winning Dem. primary

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From the New York Times:

If Republicans were to nominate Mr. Trump or Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, a hard-line conservative, and Democrats were to pick Mr. Sanders, Mr. Bloomberg — who changed his party affiliation to independent in 2007 — has told allies he would be likely to run.

Edward G. Rendell, the former governor of Pennsylvania and a past Democratic National Committee chairman, said he believed Mr. Bloomberg could compete in the race if activist candidates on the left and right prevailed in the party primaries.

“Mike Bloomberg for president rests on the not-impossible but somewhat unlikely circumstance of either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz versus Bernie Sanders,” said Mr. Rendell, a close ally of Mrs. Clinton’s who is also a friend of Mr. Bloomberg’s. “If Hillary wins the nomination, Hillary is mainstream enough that Mike would have no chance, and Mike’s not going to go on a suicide mission.”

In a three-way race featuring Mr. Sanders and Mr. Bloomberg, Mr. Rendell said he might back the moderate former New York mayor.

“As a lifelong Democrat, as a former party chairman, it would be very hard for me to do that,” he said. “But I would certainly take a look at it — absolutely.”

Mr. Bloomberg declined to comment on his interest in the 2016 race, and most of his associates would speak only on the condition that they not be named. Mr. Bloomberg is irked by the perception that he has toyed too often with running for national office, according to several associates, and is said to be wary of another public flirtation

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37 thoughts on “NYT: Bloomberg independent bid likely contingent on Sanders winning Dem. primary

  1. Joshua

    Sort of getting mixed messages from the article. An earlier part of the article says, “and his aides have done a detailed study of past third-party bids. Mr. Bloomberg commissioned a poll in December to see how he might fare against Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton, and he intends to conduct another round of polling after the New Hampshire primary on Feb. 9 to gauge whether there is indeed an opening for him, according to two people familiar with his intentions.”

    Seems like he’s seeing if the opening is there for him to run a campaign in the event of a Trump vs. Clinton general election. It seems to me that Mr. Bloomberg isn’t a fan of Mrs. Clinton. Consider these other excerpts from the NYT article:

    “Mr. Bloomberg described her as a flawed politician, shadowed by questions about her honesty and the continuing investigation into her email practices as secretary of state, according to two people in attendance.”

    “Mr. Bloomberg has lamented what he considers Mrs. Clinton’s lurch to the left in her contest against Mr. Sanders, especially her criticism of charter schools and other education reforms that he pushed as mayor and has continued to support since leaving office.”

    “Even a victory by Mrs. Clinton in the Democratic primaries might not preclude a bid by Mr. Bloomberg, his associates said, if he believed she had been gravely weakened by the contest.”

  2. Deran

    I forget Boomberg’s attitude toward Clinton? Because when I heard this reorted this morning my first thought was that this threat is meant to scare people from voting for Sanders with the threat being that if the Dems support Sanders his electibility will be destroyed by Bloomberg? But maybeI I’m cynical/paranoid?

    The New York Times is behind a paywall via my phone. But here’s a lesser article on the topic via Newsweek avb to all.

    http://www.newsweek.com/time-bloomberg-saddle-president-418821

  3. Trent Hill

    Sanders/Hillary, Trump, and Bloomberg?

    I wanted a third option. But geeze, that isn’t much better.

  4. Jim Polichak from Long Island

    I’d like to see the mayor run especially if the race is between Clinton and Trump! Clinton has a long history and a lot of baggage that makes her a questionable candidate for the long haul. Remember, eight years ago a black freshman senator came up from behind and took the nomination away from her. Now a grumpy old grandfather is giving her a much better run for the nod than anyone would have thought possible.
    If Trump wins the nomination and really decides he is going to win he could self finance a campaign the likes of which has never been seen in America or elsewhere.
    Mayor Bloomberg is probably the only potential candidate who could out spend Trump. And he has the advantage of actual executive office holding that none of the others can claim.
    We’re elected many more governors than senator and let’s face it – New York City has a population that is larger than most of the states. So in truth, Bloomberg being mayor of New York City for twelve years is more experience than most of the governors who have become president.
    Today, NYC has almost triple the population of Arkansas where Clinton served as first lady.

  5. Jill Pyeatt

    I agree that Bloomberg entering the field would make for a far more entertaining campaign season! It would be fun to dig into his background and NYC’s nanny, and to feature some of his plans for the country.

    I doubt (hope) that he’d have an ability to win, but he would certainly shake up Hillary and probably Trump, as well.

  6. ATBAFT

    More “New York Values.” Trump, Sen. Clinton (D-NY don’t forget), Bloomberg, and Sanders who is more NYC values than New England Yankee. GJ can contrast favorable with all of them.

  7. George Phillies

    ATBAFT: Which “New York Values” are you complaining about? Giving to charity? Supporting free choice? Tolerance? Perhaps you are complaining that they stood with Senator Barry Goldwater, when he and his wife brought Planned parenthood to Arizona? Maybe you are complaining about entrepreneurial capitalism, Trump converting his father’s million into several billions?

  8. Robert Capozzi

    Hmm, interesting point in a way. Not so much “values,” but Trump, Clinton, and Bloomberg live in NY, and Sanders is from there and arguably has the heaviest NY accent.

    G “Shariaphobe” J and John “Public Works” McAfee have no real NY connections, other than JPWMc’s stint in NYC in the late 60s. JMc was born in the UK, interestingly enough.

    JMc has the tats and the gun to his head in this pic, which has all sorts of potential 😉 :

    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdni.wired.co.uk/620×413/k_n/McAfee.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2013/02/features/dangerous&h=413&w=620&tbnid=H4bK458R_oq1_M:&tbnh=133&tbnw=200&docid=Gqh2mOfaq74hVM&itg=1&usg=__9uq1fkZ28SnU7HU1WMLalH9yOFk=

  9. Andy Craig Post author

    Without stepping in the same pile Cruz did by implying residents of one state/city are somehow morally inferior, I do agree that makes an extraordinarily New York centric election, between Hillary and Sanders and Trump and Bloomberg. Let’s not forget Pataki was technically running for a while there, too. Cuomo almost ran. Among the other GOP candidates, aside from Fiorina, the westernmost is Texan Cruz. All of the Democrats running have been on the east cost, including the two almost-rans Biden and Warren.

    Is this significant? I’m not sure. But I do think it makes a potential good contrast with any candidate from out west. I don’t personally think it’s that substantive, or that most people care all that much which state a presidential candidate is from, but there are some people who do care about it, and the LP has historically done best in the mountain west.

  10. Robert Capozzi

    ac, perhaps GJ should make an adjustment to his media schedule to work the mountain west in some way. So far, he seems to be camping at Fox.

  11. Jim Polichak from Long Island

    These comments about candidate being from New York… New York has sent several past governors to the White House along with a few others. The last was Nixon {sort of – he was a lawyer in NYC when he was first elected and was nominated as a New Yorker at the 1968 convention}. Then again, TR & FDR was also New Yorkers.

  12. Andy Craig Post author

    Not a whole lot of national media outlets in the Mountain time zone. He mentioned being in NYC to do interviews in the last email blast. He also did HuffPo, a clip of which was posted on MSN, and I think some radio interviews too. If he did any print ones those probably aren’t published yet.

    FNC just tends to be the most reliable about showing up on YouTube within 12 hrs. It is also, to be fair, far and away the biggest player in cable news and, increasingly, talk radio. Plenty to hate about them, but they are marginally better about at least letting libertarians on the air than are CNN or MSNBC. They do have lowercase-ls Stossel, Judge Nap, Kennedy, the libertarian-ish-themed Red Eye, and both Colmes and Cavuto seem to like Johnson enough to have him on regularly. I don’t see any of that as a bad thing.

  13. Andy Craig Post author

    It’s fun to imagine the vitriol that would have come from Richard Nixon if you tried to call him a “New Yorker” to his face.

  14. Robert Capozzi

    ac: I don’t see any of that as a bad thing.

    me: No, agreed. Hard to narrowcast effectively these days.

    Still, I wonder if he should spend some time in Denver, for ex. Clos-ish to Taos. Clearly weed friendly. Just a thought….

  15. NewFederalist

    “Millard Fillmore is looking awfully good by comparison.” – Robert Capozzi

    Or is it “in contrast”?

  16. Robert Capozzi

    Just for grins, I looked at the electoral map for 68. Nixon lost his adoptive NY but won CA. Lost TX! Wallace won the Deep South.

    Things have changed some.

  17. Jim Polichak from Long Island

    If my memory serves me correctly his apartment was on Park Avenue as was his law firm – Nixon, Mudge, Rose, Guthrie, Alexander & Mitchell. And so was his national campaign headquarters from 1966 to 1968. I’d never been to the first two but was often at the third which was near the old Pan Am Building {now MetLife}

  18. Deran

    I’m not the only one who sees this as a threat against voting/caucusing for Sanders. All the talk abt Bloomber running if Clinton gets the nomination is prittle prattle. Bloomberg would run if it is Sanders v Trump. With Bloomberg playing at being a Centrist. He would be acceptable to many big business Republicans as an option if Trump gets the GOP nod.

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/01/23/not-so-subtle-establishment-threat-bloomberg-hints-presidential-run

  19. Matt Cholko

    Strangely, though I have vowed never to vote D or R again, if my only non D or R choice was Bloomberg, and I had to vote, I’d probably have to break my rule.

  20. Robert Capozzi

    rw, interesting. Technically, Obama is from HI, kind of, which is kind of West. And some would say TX is west, and they nominated Bentsen for veep and LBJ for veep and prez.

    Still, that’s quite the shut out, especially of the coast, which is has been quite blue for probably decades. I wonder why?

  21. Andy Craig

    The original Democratic president was from the west, just not what we’d call the west today. 😉

    In 2016 though, it’s even narrower than that. Even if you expand the list to include candidates who declined to be drafted, or explored a bid, you’ve got: Clinton (NY), Sanders (VT), O’Malley (MD), Chafee (RI), Webb (VA), Cuomo (NY), Warren (MA), Biden (DE), Lessig (MA). That’s not just a lack of somebody from the western two time zones, it’s a lack of anybody from outside the BosWash.

    “The Democratic Party has never nominated anyone for president or vice-president who was from the west.”

    Obama’s from Hawaii. 😉 I assume you would count him as Illinois, though.

  22. langa

    Strangely, though I have vowed never to vote D or R again, if my only non D or R choice was Bloomberg, and I had to vote, I’d probably have to break my rule.

    If someone put a gun to my head, and forced me to choose between Trump, Bloomberg, and Hillary, I think I would tell them to go ahead and pull the trigger.

  23. Andy

    There is one person who is currently seeking the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination who is from a state that is we os the Mississippi River, and that is Roque “Rocky” de la Fuente, who is from California.

  24. Andy

    Walter Mondale was a VP for the Democrats, and he later won their presidential nomination, and he is from Minnesota, which is west of the Mississippi.

  25. Andy Craig Post author

    Arkansas (Clinton) and Texas (LBJ) are also both west of the Mississippi, but generally “the west” as a region means starting at MT-WY-CO-NM. States east of that are more typically categorized as the South or the Midwest. In that sense, the only western presidents have been three California Republicans: Hoover, Nixon, and Reagan. On their vice presidential nominees, they have had Oregon (1940), California (1948, 1952, 1956), Wyoming (2000, 2004), and Alaska (2008). Their first presidential nominee in 1856 was also from California.

    That’s quite the imbalance against zero ever Democratic nominees for President or Vice President from the western third of the country.

  26. NewFederalist

    “The Democratic Party has never nominated anyone for president or vice-president who was from the west.” – Richard Winger

    Wouldn’t William Jennings Bryan count? Nebraska wasn’t exactly east at the time.

  27. Bondurant

    Trump v Sanders v Bloomberg would be the death knell of the United States of America unless people voted en mass for the LP nominee.

    Talk about lunatics running the asylum.

  28. Richard Winger

    Generally, presidents are assigned to the state that had elected them to some lower office before that person became president. That is why Obama is an Illinois president. Otherwise people would have to consider George W. Bush a Connecticut president, because G. W. Bush was born in Connecticut.

    When I said “west”, I meant as opposed to “midwest”, “south”, and “east.”

  29. steve m

    Richard,

    I was wondering about your territorial definition because when Andrew Jackson was elected president (as a democrat) he was from Nashville TN which was the western frontier.

  30. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    If I had to pick among the three, I’d prefer Trump or Sanders over Bloomberg. All have dreadful policies, but Trump and Sanders would at least disrupt the system, cause a bit of much-needed chaos. Bloomberg is hardcore Wall Street, identical to the establishment policies we’ve had for the past several decades.

    It’d be ironic. If Trump ran Republican, and Sander ran Democrat, then “Independent” Bloomberg would be the least Independent of the bunch.

  31. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    George Phillies: Maybe you are complaining about entrepreneurial capitalism, Trump converting his father’s million into several billions?

    You’re kidding, right? Trump converted millions into billions through crony capitalism (obtaining favoritism and tax breaks from government entities), not entrepreneurial capitalism.

  32. Robert Capozzi

    Disruption for disruption’s sake, RTAA?

    Disruption can be calamitous, vs our current, more gradual, decay.

  33. George Phillies

    RTAA … Trump actually built things that made money. He also gamed the system on taxes, as do all other New York developers, but he did not make his money building bridges and charging New York three times to much, so far as I have read. So, no, your claim that he was engaged in extractive capitalism is inaccurate.

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