Sarwark to Pence: To Stop Clinton – Resign, Endorse Johnson

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In an Open Letter to Grand Old Party Vice Presidential Candidate Governor Mike Pence received by IPR earlier today, Libertarian National Committee Chair Nicholas Sarwark calls on Governor Pence to, “Put country ahead of your party by resigning from the Republican ticket and publicly endorsing Governor Gary Johnson for President.

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62 thoughts on “Sarwark to Pence: To Stop Clinton – Resign, Endorse Johnson

  1. Robert Capozzi

    Interesting move. Unlikely to get the desired result, but ballsy in a good way.

    I wonder whether NAPSTERS approve….

  2. Anthony Dlugos

    Mr. Capozzi,

    “I wonder whether NAPSTERS approve….”

    Drinking early today, I see? lol

  3. Anthony Dlugos

    “this media-manufacturer controversy.”

    lol.

    Media reported. Trump manufactured.

  4. Anthony Dlugos

    He spoketh the words defending felonious sexual assault publicly, i.e., others were around.

  5. William Saturn

    He talked about being rejected by a woman and then made a private joke with one person. 2005 wasn’t quite as humorless a time as 2016, or else the 2016 the media presents.

  6. Richard Winger

    In our culture, at this time, a majority of people are coming to realize that for anyone to aggressively suggest a sexual encounter with someone else who is not already in a relationship with the first person, that is an assault. It’s not necessarily a serious assault but it is a harm.

    That is something new. 50 or 60 years there was a different opinion. The opinion nowadays holds that such assaults are especially bad if the assaulter has some power over the other person. If it takes place between a boss and an underling, it is now criminal.

    Even sophisticated people like Roger Ailes have recently got in trouble over this. There are still a good share of men who don’t share the new social consensus, but generally women do share it and so do many men.

  7. Bondurant

    It’s a bold announcement that won’t get any traction in the media. Still a worthwhile effort and Sarwark’s efforts are applauded.

  8. wolfefan

    Hi Mr. Saturn – there have been plenty of Trump comments in public that are plenty offensive. The comment confessing sexual assault was made in private, but I am not sure how that excuses it. Saying something in private to a close friend in a private setting is one thing (although anyone admitting a crime in that setting should expect that it will come out sooner or later.) Saying something in a semi-private setting to a member of the media who is not a close friend, particularly admitting a crime, is another example of Trump’s incredibly reckless judgment. The miracle is that it took this long to come out.

    Unrelated note – probably not the best idea to illustrate this article with an quote of dubious provenance.

  9. William Saturn

    As I said, it was a joke. Nothing was confessed. In fact, Billy Bush thought it was quite funny. Anyone who claims to have not engaged in such banter is, more often than not, lying. The same media that bombards you with rape scenes and pornography wants you to believe this harmless comment is outrageous. Maybe you’ve been brainwashed too?

  10. Richard Winger

    William Saturn, if a gay man whom you didn’t know grabbed your genitals and tried to persuade you to have a sexual encounter with him, would you say that is just “banter”?

  11. Cody Quirk

    I’m LP and support Trump’s right to free speech, but I’m also LDS and faithful to my wife, and such comments about hitting on married women or even ‘grabbing them by the pussy’ personally disgusts me.

    Yeah, I’ve shared in some private “locker room” talk before as plenty of other guys out there have -yet even when I was single, I have never, nor would I ever talk about married women like that, or even hit on married women in the first place.

    Sorry, I still believe in moral standards.

  12. Joseph Buchman Post author

    wolfefan @ October 9, 2016 at 18:09

    “probably not the best idea to illustrate this article with an quote of dubious provenance.”

    Agreed. There indeed appears to be no known audio recording of these remarks despite the meme having popped up on multiple sites, and being one of the first when I went looking on Google images for an photo of Governor Pence to use here.

    I’ll try to do better next time.

    Joe

  13. wolfefan

    Hi William – If I had been brainwashed, I probably wouldn’t know it. Of course, the same is true for you. 🙂 Your line about “the same media” is, frankly, dumb. Does Entertainment Tonight bombard me with all those things? Does the Today show? There are times when it is appropriate to think about “the media” as a large, undifferentiated mass. There are times when there are differences between various parts of the media. There are also things that I may be willing to watch or read about in fictional works that I find wrong in real life. I have engaged in some vulgar locker room talk over the years, but I guarantee that I was done with it by the time I was fifty, and I wasn’t as vulgar as Trump even when I was in Jr. High. A sixty year old man making remarks like this to Billy Bush (the fact that he thought them funny doesn’t speak well for him) is a sign of exceptionally poor judgment and impulse control, and even if you don’t think the remarks were true they reinforce existing stereotypes about Trump and women, tend to back the many accusations of sexual misconduct made against him over the years, and reflect poorly on his ability to restrain himself should he be elected President.

  14. robert capozzi

    Bond.: It’s a bold announcement that won’t get any traction in the media.

    me: Thanks for answering. I do wonder whether a true NAPster would desire a statist like Pence to publicly endorse the L ticket. I can see why they might want a statist like Pence to vote L, but to ENDORSE Ls might damage the L brand, further associating L-ism with Rs and conservatives. Is that at all a concern? If it isn’t, what would the rationale be from a NAP perspective?

  15. Mr. Brown

    “You need to differentiate between words and actions.”

    Trump’s words to Bush were NOT humor, and they were in line with the way he act(ed) routinely for many years.

    For example see http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

    Excerpt:

    The Beauty Pageant Scandals

    Where and when: Various, 1992-present

    The dirt: The Boston Globe’s Matt Viser reports on the mess of the American Dream pageant in 1992. After years of attending beauty pageants—Trump seems to have always enjoyed the company of beautiful, scantily clad women—he decided he wanted to get in on the business himself, meeting with George Houraney and Jill Harth, a couple that ran the American Dream pageant. It was an ill-fated effort. Harth and Houraney alleged that Trump started making passes at her almost immediately. On one occasion, Trump allegedly asked them to bring some models to a party. Harth alleges Trump groped her at the party. In a limo afterward, another model said she heard him say that “all women are bimbos” and most “gold diggers.” Trump reportedly joined another model in bed, uninvited, late at night. On other occasions, he forced Harth into bedrooms and made passes at her, she said. But after the contest, Trump broke off dealings. Harth sued Trump, alleging sexual misbehavior, while the couple together sued him for breach of contract. In the suit, they also alleged that Trump had kept black women out of the pageant.

    The upshot: The couple settled with Trump for an unannounced sum, and Harth dropped her suit. Trump has denied all the allegations. But it wasn’t Trump’s last turn in the pageant business. A few years later, he bought the Miss Universe pageant, which also includes Miss USA and Miss Teen USA. “Honestly, when I bought [Miss Universe], the bathing suits got smaller and the heels got higher and the ratings went up,” he boasted to Vanity Fair later. In 2012, he won a $5 million suit against a former contestant who claimed the contest was rigged. By 2015, he operated Miss Universe as a joint venture with NBC, but after he slurred Mexican immigrants at his campaign launch, Univision and NBC both announced they would not air the pageant. Trump bought out NBC’s share, then promptly sold the company. He sued Univision but settled in February. The terms were undisclosed.

  16. Mr. Brown

    From the same article

    Alleged Marital Rape

    Where and when: New York City, 1989

    The dirt: While married to Ivana Trump, Donald Trump became angry at her—according to a book by Harry Hurt, over a painful scalp-reduction surgery—and allegedly forcibly had sex with her. Ivana Trump said during a deposition in their divorce case that she “felt violated” and that her husband had raped her. Later, Ivana Trump released a statement saying: “During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me. [O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.”

    The upshot: When The Daily Beast reported on the incident, Trump’s right-hand man Michael Cohen threatened reporters and claimed—incorrectly—that a man cannot legally rape his wife. The case is one of several cases where Trump has been accused of misogyny, including his comments about Megyn Kelly early in the primary campaign or his fury at a lawyer who, during a deposition, asked for a break to pump breast milk. “You’re disgusting,” Trump said, and walked out. (Wayne Barrett collects some lowlights here.)

  17. Mr. Brown

    Or, take this one:

    Judge sets date for hearing of lawsuit accusing Donald Trump of underage rape
    Mr Trump has repeatedly denied the allegations

    A federal judge has ordered a status conference hearing after a woman filed a lawsuit claiming Donald Trump raped her when she was 13-years-old in 1994.

    In the lawsuit a witness, identified by the pseudonym Tiffany Doe, alleges she saw Mr Trump and billionaire-paedophile Jeffrey Epstein repeatedly rape the plaintiff, identified as Jane Doe.

    The plaintiff’s third attempt in filing the lawsuit features a new witness named Joan Doe.

    Mr Trump’s ex-wife Ivana previously accused him of “raping” her during their divorce in 1991 – though she later said it was not in “a literal or criminal sense”.

    She accused him of rape after he allegedly ripped her clothes off to have sex with her in a “violent assault”.

  18. Mr. Brown

    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/10/08/flashback.-remember-lawsuit-accusing-donald-trump-child-rape/

    “Some of the details are quite graphic. Of those charges, Trump is accused of tying the young girl to a bed and raping her, at one point.

    Ms. Johnson claims that she begged Trump to use a condom, which he did not. When she expressed fear after the rape that he’d impregnated her, she said he angrily threw $100 bills at her and told her to “get a f***ing abortion.””

  19. Tony From Long Island

    Billy Sats said: ” . . . The poll was very extensive and showed most voters do not care about this media-manufactured controversy. . . . ”

    I don’t know what story you were reading. 39% of REPUBLICANS in that poll say that Generalissimo Trump should quit . . . 74% of all voters had a negative reaction . . . ” So, yeah. . . they don’t care.

    Media manufactured? Are you serious?

    How anyone can defend this guy is beyond me. This man is an international embarrassment for the United States. He has dragged our politics down to the gutter.

    He wants to JAIL a political opponent? What frickin country is this? Sad . . . just sad . .

  20. Tony From Long Island

    The above-mentioned story about the underage thing with Trump is not new. It’s been out there but has not been widely reported. . . wonder why it is now . . . . hmmm

  21. Andy

    Hillary should be in prison, along with many other politicians and other government officials.

  22. Mr. Brown

    “How anyone can defend this guy is beyond me. This man is an international embarrassment for the United States. He has dragged our politics down to the gutter.”

    True. Jailing Clinton is not the only thing he has threatened along the same lines as despots in other countries, he has also repeatedly called for beating and jailing reporters and protesters much like the fascist dictator he aspires to be. It’s like Germany in 1933 all over again, although I haven’t read of rape accusations against Hitler himself, so Trump may well be even more depraved than his hero (he sleeps with a book of Hitler speeches by his bedside and has a long history of extreme racism).

  23. Mr. Brown

    “The above-mentioned story about the underage thing with Trump is not new. It’s been out there but has not been widely reported. . . wonder why it is now . . . . hmmm”

    Read the links above. The case was dismissed earlier due to technical errors but has now been refiled with a new attorney and additional corroborating witnesses. It has cleared the initial legal bar and has been scheduled for a hearing in December. And, yes, it’s also more relevant now that Trump’s words bragging about routine sexual assault have been thrust into the limelight and his weak and unconvincing denial that he behaves in the same way that he described to Bush on that tape was made from the national debate stage.

    The story has also been hard to track. Trump threatened the woman in question with murder, and said she could disappear like Maria, a 12 year old that Trump also raped and beat at the same time as well as had a coerced threesome with her with. Maria did in fact disappear, and this woman has been in fear for her life and the lives of her family, whom Trump also threatened at the same time, so she has been in hiding and not directly available to interviewers, other than a video testimony she recorded while wearing a disguise.

    Another reason that the story has not gotten bigger (at least yet) is that Trump’s partner in crime in this venture, Jeffrey Epstein, is also a long time friend and partner of the Clintons, and Bill Clinton was a frequent guest at his parties and passenger on the “Lolita Express” private plane to a private pedophile rape orgy island in the Virgin Islands with Epstein. So, people who may be motivated to use it to bring down Trump may be leery that Bill Clinton and thus Hillary Clinton could get swept up in the fallout, and vice versa.

  24. Tony From Long Island

    Andy said : . . . Hillary should be in prison, along with many other politicians and other government officials. . . .”

    Can’t send someone to “jail” if they have not committed a crime. I thought you loved the constitution. I guess not.

    If you are assuming she is guilty of something, then should would be in PRISON, not jail. There IS a difference (trust me, I know).

  25. Tony From Long Island

    Ha! I actually misquoted the lovable andy. My apologies. But my point remains.

    It was Mr. Brown who said “Jail” rather than prison.

  26. Mr. Brown

    It was Donald Trump who said jail and probably meant prison. He doesn’t have any personal experience of the difference, but he may well have earned a chance to find out. The case of the middle school aged models may be just an initial opening of the flood gates of rape charges to come against him; by this time next year he may be swimming in as many or more of those as Bill Cosby.

  27. Be Rational

    Andy
    October 10, 2016 at 09:51

    “Hillary should be in prison, along with … Donald Trump.”

    *
    Fixed that for ya.

    ***********************

    Tony, Hillary has collected millions of dollars in bribes for government favors, beginning with a hundred thousand dollar bribe washed through a commodities broker and disguised as trading profits for favors from Governor Clinton. The WSJ proved that the reported trades could not have occured as reported, but as always, the Clintons escaped prosecution.

    Then the Rose Law Office laundered bribes – which is why an unemployable low-paid Hillary Clinton was suddenly able to draw a high six-figure salary there after Bill became Governor. Hillary was the bag man for Bill’s favors.

    When Hillary became Sec of State, she did the favors and the bribes flowed into the Clinton Foundation – over $300 million in cash sits there, waiting for the Clintons’ personal use. The Foundation now spends a tiny percentage on actual charitable purposes.

  28. Mr. Brown

    “Hillary should be in prison, along with … Donald Trump.”

    Bravo! Exactly. But only if they both get to go, not if one of them gets to imprison the other one Banana Republic election style as a direct result of which one wins the election.

  29. Mr. Brown

    William Saturn: “most voters do not care about this media-manufactured controversy.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-after-trump-tape-revelation-clinton-s-lead-double-digits-n663691

    As Donald Trump’s campaign reels over tapes of the presidential candidate’s sexually aggressive comments about women in 2005, the Republican nominee now trails Hillary Clinton by double digits among likely voters, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

    The poll, conducted on Saturday and Sunday but before the second presidential debate, shows Clinton with 46 percent support among likely voters in a four-way matchup, compared to 35 percent for Trump.

    Libertarian Gary Johnson’s support stands at nine percent, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein garners two percent. In a head-to-head matchup, Clinton’s lead over Trump grows to 14 percent (52 percent to Trump’s 38 percent.)

    And among all registered voters, Clinton’s lead is 13 points, her largest advantage over Trump since the poll began testing the pair last September.

    As Republicans grapple with how to hold on to control of the House and Senate despite the Trump campaign’s woes, Democrats overall now have a seven-point advantage on the question of which party voters want to see in control of Congress.

    Forty-nine percent of voters say they’d like to see Democrats in power on Capitol Hill, compared to 42 percent who chose the GOP.

    That’s up from a three-point advantage for Democrats (48 percent to 45 percent) last month, and it’s the largest advantage for Democrats since the October 2009 government shutdown.

    Although voters overall are split over the impact of the 2005 tape of Trump describing kissing and touching women’s bodies without their consent, less than a quarter of Republicans say that the revelations should be grounds for other GOP Senate and House candidates to drop their backing of Trump (nine percent) or call for him to drop out of the race (14 percent.)

    A total of 52 percent of respondents say that the audiotape should be an issue in the campaign, while 42 percent say it should not be an issue.

    While 31 percent of voters say Trump’s comments about women were “Inappropriate, but typical of how some men talk in private with other men,” a larger share – 41 percent – say the remarks were “completely unacceptable.”

    The poll of 500 registered voters was conducted October 8-9 and has a margin of error of 4.4 percent for all registered voters and 4.6 percent for likely voters. NBC News will also release another post-debate poll in the coming days.

  30. Tony From Long Island

    Rational: zzzzz yawn. unethical and shady is not illegal. You can dig up things as far back as you want. No crime = no prosecution = let it go….

  31. William Saturn

    It’s important to note during the tape Trump said the women he kissed and pussy-grabbed would “let you do it” Seems clear to me he was talking about acts with consent.

  32. Tony From Long Island

    Billy Sats: You seem to have no idea about abuse of authority and a power differential his “let you do it” does NOT imply consent. When you are intimidated by someone with power over you or someone is a position of authority over you, there is no real consent . . . this is another thing I know from experience.

    So, no, it’s not important to note that.

  33. Mr. Brown

    “It’s important to note during the tape Trump said the women he kissed and pussy-grabbed would “let you do it” Seems clear to me he was talking about acts with consent.”

    Actually the opposite is clear.

    “Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

    Bush: Whatever you want.

    Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

    That means he doesn’t ask for permission, he just goes ahead and starts kissing, groping, and grabbing vaginas. Getting away with it is, in his mind, “they let you do it.” That’s not the same thing as consent. “You can do anything” means consent is irrelevant. Unless you think that 100% of women that he finds attractive also found him attractive and were available and interested in being grabbed at that very moment, and that he could somehow know this without asking him, that means he did not seek or receive consent for his actions. But then, he didn’t think he needed it, because he was a “star” who could do anything he wants to anyone at any time.

    Is this the kind of ego we want to put in charge of the armed services, federal law enforcement bureaucracies and nuclear codes?

  34. Anthony Dlugos

    Tony From Long Island,

    Oh my god, federal funds.

    I’m gonna wipe my ass with $20 bills at the 2020 convention.

  35. William Saturn

    If he did these things without asking, why then isn’t Nancy O’Dell accusing him of sexual assault? As he said, she rejected him and so he left her alone.

  36. Tony From Long Island

    Wow Billy Sats. You must have heard just bits and pieces!

    He said he tried to Bone Nancy O’Dell and she turned him down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In a completely separate part of the conversation he talked about kissing UNNAMED women just because he could.

  37. Mr. Brown

    “If he did these things without asking, why then isn’t Nancy O’Dell accusing him of sexual assault? As he said, she rejected him and so he left her alone.”

    Several other women were not so lucky, as detailed above. Only a very small handful have stepped forward to accuse him so far, and one of them (his ex-wife) was intimidated back into silence, while the other two were intimidated into silence for many years. Time will yet tell how many others that were intimidated into silence up until now may step forward once some of these allegations begin to become much more widely aired.

    And there’s no if about it; “I don’t even wait. …. You can do anything. … Grab ’em” are his own words.

  38. Mr. Brown

    “If he did these things without asking, why then isn’t Nancy O’Dell accusing him of sexual assault? As he said, she rejected him and so he left her alone.”

    Let me see if I understand you:

    If at least some of his sexual assaults did not result in full blown rape, and/or the women involved did not step forward to accuse him, therefore he received consent in all cases always?

    Bill Cosby went for many, many years, even decades, without being publicly accused. Many other wealthy and powerful sex predators, such as Clinton/Trump cohort Jeffrey Epstein, went for many years abusing and even raping who knows how many hundreds or thousands of women and girls before being accused. How many privileged sex predators are getting away with it to this very day? We have no idea.

    Even in the very specific case you mentioned, it’s certainly possible that Trump grabbed Ms. O’Dell, fondled her, etc., but did not proceed to rape her after she said no. Perhaps he went on to rape her afterwards, and perhaps not. It’s not necessarily true that he raped every single woman he groped. That doesn’t automatically mean he always sought or got consent, either.

  39. William Saturn

    His ex-wife recounted her story and has endorsed his candidacy for president. If the allegations are true, I can understand remaining silent due to non-disclosure agreements, but if that’s the case, why go the extra mile and endorse him for president?

    The other claim is so dubious, even the mainstream media is not covering it.

  40. Tony From Long Island

    They don’t have to. He’s done for. Thankfully. International Embarassment.

  41. Mr. Brown

    Her statements are now cleared through, and quite likely written by, her publicists. I already explained above why the other two stories have not gone more mainstream yet, but that does not mean they won’t. Scroll up. Read the links.

  42. Mr. Brown

    “Her statements are now cleared through, and quite likely written by, her publicists. ”

    Sorry, I meant HIS publicists.

  43. Tony From Long Island

    I’m not sure what I repeated . . . except that he’s an embarrassment to this country (which is true).

    While anything CAN happen in four weeks, I really can’t see any scenario short of pictures of Hillary literally in bed with Putin, which would allow that buffoon to win.

  44. Mr. Brown

    “While anything CAN happen in four weeks, I really can’t see any scenario short of pictures of Hillary literally in bed with Putin, which would allow that buffoon to win.”

    Well, it’s more likely to be Trump in bed with Putin, although perhaps they would have Melania or maybe a teenage girl in between them. Then again who knows, maybe not. But Tony from LI lacks imagination; I can easily see the buffoon winning. Just a few days ago he was running neck and neck with Clinton, and there is plenty of dirt on both of them that can be brought to the attention of an attention deficit afflicted public in the coming month, along with all sorts of terrorist attacks, natural disasters, gaffes, economic crises and who knows what else which may ensue, transpire or get dug up.

  45. Tony From Long Island

    He was only running “neck and neck” in the LA Times / USC poll, which most experts give no credibility. He has not had a lead in electoral votes during the entire campaign. It wasn’t and won’t happen.

  46. Jill Pyeatt

    William said: If he did these things without asking, why then isn’t Nancy O’Dell accusing him of sexual assault?

    Well, maybe because it happens a lot. It happened to me by a man who is a defense attorney. There’s no way I would have reported it. Since he’s a local professional like me, I just stay away from him.

    It’s happened to me more than once. I imagine most women have encountered this.

  47. Jill Pyeatt

    But NEVER by a libertarian man, BTW. I know one ex-Libertarian female who keeps talking about abusive Libertarian men and all the “sex scandals”. I know of no “sex scandals” besides Angela being accused of sexually harassing Austin Petersen.

  48. itdoesntmatter

    “Billy Bush thought it was quite funny. ”

    Interesting standard.

    “The same media that bombards you with rape scenes and pornography wants you to believe this harmless comment is outrageous. Maybe you’ve been brainwashed too?”

    I’ve never been bombarded with “rape scenes,” but I’m assuming that’s referring to fictional depictions, something I assume that most adults (and possibly most children) with room temperature IQs are capable of processing.

    Most pornography is consensual and avoidable.

  49. Mr. Brown

    Chris Hayes on MSNBC is having a segment about Trump and his actual groping of women without consent on right now. Video if/when I can find it.

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