Luke Rudkowski and Christina Tobin: ‘Jill Stein Exposed For Corruption With DNC’

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In this video Luke Rudkowski interviews Christina Tobin Founder and Chair at The Free and Equal Elections Foundation and former close friend of Jill Stein. In this video we go over just some of the latest breaking news that our investigative journalists found out of direct collusion with the DNC and this years election recount.

For more on Christina check out http://www.freeandequal.org

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46 thoughts on “Luke Rudkowski and Christina Tobin: ‘Jill Stein Exposed For Corruption With DNC’

  1. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Jill Stein is the Green Party’s version of Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root. Running third party while remaining loyal to one of the major parties.

    Stein had a lot of good anti-Democratic rhetoric during her campaign. Surprising how she’s turned out. She might have left the stage with her integrity intact, respected by friend and foe alike. Instead, she chose to leave a bad taste in many people’s mouths.

  2. Matt

    RTAA,

    I don’t see it that way. I voted for Stein and I support her recount. I’ve usually voted Libertarian and still consider myself libertarian (but not necessarily Libertarian with a big L). I did always find the Greens to be less noxious than the Constitution Party, and the Democrats to be a slightly smaller disaster than the Republicans, although I have never been a fan of any of them. Johnson 2.0 and Weld were too obnoxious in too many different ways to stomach so Stein it was, despite many issue disagreements.

    Trump is, and will be, a disaster and embarrassment of unprecedented proportions. We will be extraordinarily lucky if this insane hopped up orangutang doesn’t blow us all to bits, send us all to the concentration camps, or both. Certainly, he’ll figure out ways to steal and solicit bribes to make his family trillionaires with a Trump T in today’s dollars, although perhaps many more zeros will have to be added due to Zimbabwe-style inflation. It’s extremely unlikely that a recount will stop him, but at this point, what other hail mary passes do we have? There’s the Hamilton Electors, but that’s a very remote probability as well. I’m not going to encourage anything that would get me in trouble with the Secret Service. If I was religious, maybe I’d pray that he gets struck with some rapidly advancing incurable disease that prevents him from taking the oath of office. Perhaps the White House physician will have an attack of conscience and decree him unfit to hold office due to mental illness on day one, before he actually launches the missiles?

    Stein is bringing unprecedented attention to the issue and cause of ballot integrity, and is raising money that is dedicated to that cause even if it does not go to recounts per se. She is building a list with well over 100,000 small donors, myself included, who she can ask for money in the future. That’s called being smart. Yes, her choice of states just happens to be the ones that unexpectedly went for Trump, but A) that’s what the mathematical prediction models that she is relying on claim are the states where a hypothetical black box manipulation of the election was most likely, and B) yes, it does maximize her donations because anti-Trump (not necessarily pro-Clinton) donors have some admittedly faint hope of preventing the looming Trump disaster.

    However, in her many interviews on the subject, which are boosting her name recognition and media contacts, she is repeatedly saying that Clinton was also a terrible candidate and would have been a terrible president, which is true. She is getting a bigger and better platform to carry the same message she did during the campaign, while setting the stage for future efforts of various sorts, including perhaps future campaigns for office as well as ballot integrity projects. Overall A plus for how she is managing this and the resulting publicity.

    The very best case scenario would be a recount combined with Hamilton electors swinging the election to a compromise moderate Republican. Even the nutty theocratic Pence, while a disaster of his own, would be less of one than Donnie “Biff Tannen” Drumpf and the koming kleptocracy. Admittedly this is something of a pipe dream, and even if it were to happen we would by no means be out of the woods as the compromise candidates also suck in their own ways. More realistically she is building her lists, name recognition and media contacts, all on behalf of a worthy cause. More power to her.

  3. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    in her many interviews on the subject, which are boosting her name recognition and media contacts, she is repeatedly saying that Clinton was also a terrible candidate and would have been a terrible president,

    My impression is that Stein is acting as Clinton’s butt girl. Yes, Stein is trying to save her image by criticizing Clinton, but actions speak louder than words. Stein’s actions imply that Clinton is the legitimate president, not Trump. Despite her weak denials, Stein’s actions appear intended to benefit Clinton.

  4. Matt

    Her actions don’t imply that. If there is a chance that a well-funded, computer-savvy operation such as Putin’s may have stolen the election, it’s a good thing to investigate that, even if the evidence is not found and even if the election results stands, which is the far more likely outcome. And even if somehow the election results are overturned it’s more likely that it would result in a Romney, Powell or Pence presidency than a Clinton one. If an overturned state or two plus a few Hamilton electors manage to get the election to the House, it would be virtually impossible for Clinton to win there.

    On the other hand, yes, in some ways Clinton is more legitimately president than Trump. A lot more people voted for her, and she is (like virtually anyone on the planet) more qualified than Trump to hold the office. If recounts and/or Hamilton electors somehow manage to stop Comet Trump, he has no leg to stand on. His fantasies about millions of illegal votes are utter nonsense, and if one appeals to the electoral college for legitimacy then one should accept its result, even if it’s unexpected. Not that this would stop Trump and his quite literally rabid, foaming at the mouth legions of fans from throwing a giant crybully fit, of course.

    I think Stein’s actions show she is making strategic moves to become a power player in her own right. What other non-celebrity, non-billionaire, non-politician gets over a million votes for potus? I can’t think of one ever. Or for that matter…even close? Still not coming up with it. Some criticized her for being a Putin pawn before. Some are criticizing her for being a Clinton pawn now. It seems to me she is using them as stepping stones and increasing her lists, media footprint and name recognition. The election is over so you would expect her to fade, but she is making bigger moves now than during the campaign. What will she leverage that growing fame and fundraising ability into next? Stay tuned; it may be interesting. Maybe she can head up a growing new movement that will be independent of the duopoly, that will bring attention to black box voting and other taboo and neglected issues.

    The chances that a recount could topple Trump are very low. There’s a much better chance that the fundraising and publicity surrounding it could propel Stein to be on the debate stage in 2020. If there is no election that year, maybe she can lead a revolution against dictator Trump. Hillary Clinton or the Democratic leadership certainly wouldn’t. She can lead attention getting resistance campaigns between now and then, mobilizing mass demonstrations, letter writing, people’s lobbying and people’s journalism…whatever tactics will be needed to resist the rise of Putinist Trumpism in the US and around the world.

    Or maybe Stein is preparing to follow the Bernie Sanders path as a Democrat. Maybe this time they won’t be able to stop an outsider’s nomination. Who knows? Whatever tactics she chooses…I am impressed that she understands complex leverage in a way that very few who start from the bottom ever do.

  5. Matt

    ” What other non-celebrity, non-billionaire, non-politician gets over a million votes for potus? I can’t think of one ever. Or for that matter…even close?”

    You can say Ed Clark, but he had David Koch and some Koch millions helping him out; Stein didn’t. And while you may say this was an extraordinary year for third parties, actually the combined third party vote in 1980 was higher, as many people saw the choices of a cold war cowboy vs. continued unemployment and inflation misery and malaise to be equally unacceptable. And Clark didn’t become more relevant *after* the election.

    Hats off to Stein and looking forward to see what she does next.

  6. Thomas L. Knapp

    “[Hillary Clinton] is (like virtually anyone on the planet) more qualified than Trump to hold the office”

    There are lots of ways to evaluate qualification, but Clinton was probably the only candidate who appeared on any significant number of ballots who is de facto DISqualified from holding the office, and who would be de jure disqualified if her political power didn’t make her effectively exempt from 18 U.S.C. § 201(b)(2):

    (b) Whoever ….

    (2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:

    (A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;
    (B) being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
    (C) being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person . . .

    shall be fined under this title or not more than three times the monetary equivalent of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

  7. Matt

    Accusations aren’t convictions, and even if you are correct she is still more qualified than Trump. Not exactly high praise for her, but he has so many things that make him uniquely unqualified it really does boggle the mind. Regarding the legal code you cited, Trump is well on his way to having the most kleptocratic administration ever. Truly Putin-level kleptocracy, and beyond. Hide and watch. And, yes, much of it will be coming from overseas and from foreign regimes, so even if that section omits the presidency as Trump’s lawyers have told him, there are constitutional provisions that cover the gap.

  8. Andy

    Hillary Clinton stole the Democrat presidential nomination from Bernie Sanders. There ought to be a criminal investigation over that.

  9. Matt

    Perhaps her greatest crime of all is letting Trump win. That is, if he didn’t cheat with outside help. Which, in at least some ways, he certainly did.

  10. Andy

    I see that Christina is still making her wildly exaggerated ballot access claims. Reality is that when it comes to ballot access, the only thing Christina is “good” at is taking credit for other people’s work and unnecessarily leeching off of campaigns.

    I am the one who sent this video to IPR writers. I thought that it was an interesting story in spite of Christina’s self aggrandizing, disingenuous statements about her ballot access accomplishments.

  11. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    I believe in the rule of law, by which I mean that non-citizens should NOT vote, as they are ineligible to vote. Some progressives and anarchists might disagree with me. So be it.

    I also believe that millions of non-citizens did vote, and not for Trump. If you deduct those millions of ineligible votes, then Trump also won the popular vote.

  12. Tony From Long Island

    TK: ” . . . . . (b) Whoever ….

    (2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for: . . . . . etc. . . . . ”

    Well, since that never happened, I don’t see how Mrs. Clinton would be disqualified.. . . . However, let’s not kid ourselves that it isn’t already happening before he-who-shall-not-be-named takes office

  13. Tony From Long Island

    Wayne’s Dentures said: ” . . . . . I also believe that millions of non-citizens did vote, and not for Trump. If you deduct those millions of ineligible votes, then Trump also won the popular vote. . . . . ”

    Wow! Someone believes this who is not named Trump. Maybe the guy does know what he’s doing. He already has one sheep right here.

    Would you, kind sir, please provide even the slightest amount of proof?

  14. Tony From Long Island

    Andy: ” . . . . I am the one who sent this video to IPR writers. I thought that it was an interesting story in spite of Christina’s self aggrandizing, disingenuous statements about her ballot access accomplishments. . . . . ”

    Would you like a pat on the back? A ribbon? Congrats on continuing to perpetuate conspiracy theories! Good Job! You are the man! Good enough?

  15. Matt

    Tony has this one right. Gotta agree with everything he says here.

    It’s very sad that RTAA believes Trump’s nonsense about illegal votes. It’s a completely baseless story which has been made up by the fake news outlets Trump relies on to distract attention from the very real and scary phenomenon of electronic vote hacking, especially now that it may be being directed by the Kremlin, and the psyops that are definitely being used by the Kremlin to swing top level US elections. Clinton won the popular vote by millions of votes fair and square. In person voter fraud is practically non-existent. For real voter fraud look up black box voting. Clinton may have also legitimately won what should have been the expected electoral vote, but this recount will unfortunately not be extensive enough and will probably miss the evidence if this happened. Whether Drumpf actually benefited from stealing the electronic and electoral vote, or just wins on an electoral vote technicality with a resounding popular vote anti-mandate, we will most likely never know, but it’s definitely one of the two. Let’s hope Stein’s recount, and perhaps a new organization she creates, will bring a lot of attention to black box voting AKA electronic vote hacking and manipulation and not the phony made up illegal or ineligible votes that exist only in the fever swamp imagination of the reichwing crybullies who feel entitled to monopolize all power forever.

  16. Matt

    Here’s urbandictionary’s word of the day. RTAA is not one of these, is he?

    Trump Christian

    A self-declared follower of the Christian faith and its principles of unconditional love, helping the less fortunate and renunciation of violence and worldly goods, who also rabidly supports President-elect Donald Trump, an unabashed narcissist, racist, misogynist, xenophobe and pussy grabbing real estate con-man of shiny, gaudy buildings.

    Billy Bob: I can’t wait until Trump kicks all them Mexican and refugee families out of our country. It’d be great if he waterboarded them on the way out.

    Trump Christian: Amen on that brother.

  17. Jill Pyeatt

    I also believe that millions of non-citizens did vote, and not for Trump. If you deduct those millions of ineligible votes, then Trump also won the popular vote.

    I’m in CA like RTAA, and I completely agree with this statement. I only saw one Hillary bumper sticker, and I don’t recall ever seeing any yard signs for Hillary. I only know a small group of people who supported her. I think it’s possible many of the votes came from undocumented people or some kind of fraud associated with the voting machines.

    I’m curious–do any of the commenters her besides Andy and RTAA read any of the alternative news sites out there? Do any of you have any idea of what the recent Wikileaks emails have exposed for the world to see?

    If you did, there’s no way any of you would think Hillary was qualified for anything but prison.

  18. Jill Pyeatt

    I feel like I’m speaking a different language here. PLEASE get out and educate yourselves about what everyone else is talking about. Even if you don’t agree with what Wikileaks has exposed, which frankly is hard to do considering none of the people have stated that the emails aren’t theirs, at least you’ll understand why there’ are so many people completely against Clinton.

    You don’t even have to check with the alternative media. Wikileaks are available to read yourself: http://www.wikileaks.org. Start with the Podesta emails.

  19. Matt

    “I’m curious–do any of the commenters her besides Andy and RTAA read any of the alternative news sites out there? ”

    Yes, I keep up with the fake news, bigot press and Russian propaganda echo chamber quite regularly. I also follow the US regime propaganda outlets and other types of alternative news quite regularly. You will note that unlike Tony, I was not misled that Clinton would win, much less by a landslide.

    Unlike Tony I will also agree with you partially. Clinton is a piece of work, it’s true. Unfortunately in your zeal, whipped up by the pro-Kremlin outfits you think are reliable news sources, you may have missed all the news about how Trump is an even bigger turd by far.

    ” I only saw one Hillary bumper sticker, and I don’t recall ever seeing any yard signs for Hillary. I only know a small group of people who supported her.”

    Self-selection bias. You may think the people you interact with are a representative sample but they are not. I also did not see a lot of Clinton stickers or yard signs or bumper stickers but then I didn’t see many for Trump or anyone else either and I know plenty of people who voted for Clinton. None of them had a yard sign or bumper sticker for her.

    ” I think it’s possible many of the votes came from undocumented people”

    With absolutely zero evidence.

  20. Matt

    It’s too bad no one has leaked Team Trump’s emails to wikileaks yet. Hopefully that will be coming. But will it be too late? Trump leaks a lot of his mental illness (or that of his followers) on twitter enough as it is. The corruption of the Trump gang will be breathtaking if and when it is made public though.

  21. paulie Post author

    I am the one who sent this video to IPR writers.

    As I said in the article you were one of the people who sent it. I was contemplating what to do with it and would have most likely put it in your folder in my email to most likely not be seen again or maybe pass it on to the writers email list, most likely to be ignored like most of the forwards I send there (a few do get posted by other people but most don’t). Then when Christina messaged me about it on facebook I decided to go ahead and post it myself. Why didn’t you just post it yourself, though?

  22. Jill Pyeatt

    It’s too bad no one has leaked Team Trump’s emails to wikileaks yet. Hopefully that will be coming.

    I hope so too, and it will be only a matter of time. I don’t know if there will ever be a “too late”, since Trump will be challenged in everything he does, and will be for the entire time he’s in office. Frankly, that’s a good thing, too. Maybe the White House will be unable to do anything at all for four years.

  23. Matt

    It may be too late in the sense that he will already have martial law, or already start a nuclear war. Let’s hope not. I don’t think he will be unable to govern. He has unified control of government and great media and popular manipulation skills. There are a lot of emergency powers waiting to be used in addition to new ones he orders up, and lots of emergencies waiting to happen or be ginned up like the Reichstag fire should he need it.

  24. George Dance

    “I also believe that millions of non-citizens did vote, and not for Trump. If you deduct those millions of ineligible votes, then Trump also won the popular vote.”

    In order to believe that, I’d have to believe in massive ID fraud on the part of these non-citizens. Given the low probability of one’s vote making the difference between R & D administrations, and the similarity of the policies of both, I can’t imagine hordes of non-citizens doing that just to have the chance to vote Democratic.

    On the other hand, if this “non-citizenship” were being used to do things like prevent them from working, and prevent Americans from hiring them; should they manage to find work, to prevent them from using things their taxes pay for, from hospitals and libraries; an even to prevent them from exercising their basic human rights, like the right to keep and bear arms — then, yes, I can see millions of them passing themselves off as citizens.

    I’d also note who’s responsible for that — why it’s a problem, and how to eliminate it as a problem.

  25. Tony From Long Island

    Jill: ” . . . . . I think it’s possible many of the votes came from undocumented people or some kind of fraud associated with the voting machines. . . . . ”

    I guess it’s also possible that Trump is really an alien from a planet light years away . . .anything is technically possible . . .

    Jill: ” . . . . . I only saw one Hillary bumper sticker, and I don’t recall ever seeing any yard signs for Hillary. I only know a small group of people who supported her. . . . . ”

    First of all – whereabout do you live? Second, so what? Hillary supporters didn’t need to wear it on their head with a 75 cent hat made in China. I live on Long Island (clearly) and rarely saw Hillary bumper stickers or signs and she won Nassau County. Obama won both counties in ’08 and ’12 and you didn’t see signs and stickers. You did, however, see tons of Trump signs. Means nothing. Same reason why left wing talk radio never took off. Republicans wear their politics on their sleeves. Most people in this country do not.

  26. Tony From Long Island

    Jorge Danza: ” . . . . Given the low probability of one’s vote making the difference between R & D administrations, . . . ”

    Most voters are not as cynical as you or libertarians in general. We tend to think our vote does matter and we vote for the candidate of our choice because we prefer their direction over the other candidates.

  27. Jill Pyeatt

    I’m in Los Angeles county. I didn’t see many Trump signs, either. The most I saw on cars were “Bernie” bumper stickers.

    CA has a law now where undocumented workers can get a drivers license. They have also set things up so that people getting a license can register to vote. The procedures at the DMV here are hardly foolproof.

    If undocumented people voted, this might be a way they were able to. Of course there will never be “proof”, just as there most likely won’t be that Trump cheated. The electoral college thing is more likely to get Hillary in office than recounting the votes. The main plan is to postpone the inauguration. Stein’s motives appear to me to only have been to waste time, to “run out the clock” so to speak.

  28. Tony From Long Island

    Jill: ” . . . . CA has a law now where undocumented workers can get a drivers license. They have also set things up so that people getting a license can register to vote . . . . ”

    That law is hardly unique to Los Angeles.

  29. Tony From Long Island

    Jill: ” . . . . I didn’t see many Trump signs, either . . . . ”

    So, your argument that Hillary could not have gotten all those votes because you saw very few Hillary signs and stickers is kinda meaningless, right?

  30. Jill Pyeatt

    My only purpose for mentioning that I don’t see any signs was to demonstrate one of several reasons I don’t think Hillary is as popular in CA as some people think. It’s a minor point that’s not worth debating because it was simply my opinion.

    There are far more urgent things to worry about. I’m in the mode of “What is the best use of my time?” mode, which has served me well as a business person and a parent. That’s one of several reasons I don’t spend as much time here as I used to. I don’t think anyone here will change anyone’s mind, so I find it hard to justify spending time here. I mainly check in to monitor trolls and to check on housekeeping things, and once in a while get sucked into commenting.

  31. Tony From Long Island

    Jorge Danza: ” . . . . . why it’s a problem, and how to eliminate it as a problem. . . . :”

    George, why is it a problem that people want to come here and work and pay taxes? Maybe I missed the point of your post. I don’t see it as a problem. I say Bienvendo!

  32. Bondurant

    Attacking the corrupt voting system is great. Using the guise of attacking the corrupt voting system to line the pockets of your foundation is not.

    Jill Stein is a fraud & hypocrite.

  33. Tony From Long Island

    Jill, your post makes a lot of sense. Sometimes what people take for me arguing is just trying to counter a point. If I were making my posts in person they would have a different tone even if they used the same words. I am a pretty soft spoken person. So sometimes “tone of voice” can’t really be discerned from posts.

    I do, though, feel the need to reply sometimes when you make blatantly irrational anti-Hillary posts. All power to ya, though.

    Also, I don’t want to seem like I have no life and just stay on here all day. I only post when I am at work. I do shipping and receiving and often have down time. Sometimes I post in between packing orders 🙂

  34. Tony From Long Island

    Bondu: ” . . . .Attacking the corrupt voting system is great. Using the guise of attacking the corrupt voting system to line the pockets of your foundation is not. . . . Jill Stein is a fraud & hypocrite. . . . ”

    So people actually give credibility to Andy conspiracy theories? Sad . . . .
    .

  35. GreenDemSoc

    I’m afraid Christina Tobin has lost all credibility now and I’m forced to agree with Gary Johnson regarding her character.

    All Jill Stein is doing is what the Democrats (and everybody else) ought to be doing. She is modeling how a politician that represents the people and cares about the integrity of democracy ought to behave (as opposed to the Democratic politicians). So what if she’s colloborating with Democratic activists to execute the recount? Either way, in the eyes of ordinary citizens, the credibility of the GP is going up while DP stock is going down.

  36. Jill Pyeatt

    I have two monitors at work, and usually keep one of them open to monitor FB or IPR. I’ve done my job for over 30 years and kind of get a little bored there, so it keeps me interested at my desk.

    I sell insurance. it’s been a good career for me, but, you know, quoting auto and home insurance has become a bit stale.

  37. Richard Winger

    I know some California residents who are not in the U.S. legally. I know they only desire to be left alone. They would not dream of registering to vote. It would cause huge problems for them. And what good would they be doing themselves if they did register to vote and threw another 2 or 3 votes into the pot? Such a few votes would not change any outcome. Even for Congress, there has been only one tie and one with race decided by one vote, in the entire history of congressional elections, which go back to 1788.

    Most secretaries of state in the nation are Republicans. If there were massive numbers of non-citizens voting, they would uncover it.

    As to Hillary Clinton, even if she were convicted of a crime, she would still meet the constitutional qualifications to run for president and be president.

  38. Matt

    “I guess it’s also possible that Trump is really an alien from a planet light years away . . .anything is technically possible . . .”

    Seems entirely plausible. I could also see him being the Beast spoken of in Revelations.

    “he most I saw on cars were “Bernie” bumper stickers.”

    Same here, and I’m deep in Trump country. I guess the bottom line is that bumper stickers and yard signs are not the best predictor of how people vote.

    “They have also set things up so that people getting a license can register to vote. The procedures at the DMV here are hardly foolproof.”

    The DMV does not actually register voters. It accepts applications which are then processed in the same way as other voter applications no matter where they are picked up or turned in. The DMV also does not check them over when accepting them which may be why a lot of people who think they registered to vote at the DMV never get their voter card are not in fact registered to vote, most likely due to errors in the paperwork that no one pointed out to them, but since they picked up and turned it in at a government agency they think it makes the registration official.

    In some states it’s just an extra checkbox on forms they fill out at the DMV anyway but then the DMV fails to forward it to the registrars in many cases.

    Regardless it does not provide any avenue for millions of non-citizens to register to vote. That is just a fearmongering myth of the right wing version of political correctness.

    “My only purpose for mentioning that I don’t see any signs was to demonstrate one of several reasons I don’t think Hillary is as popular in CA as some people think. ”

    I don’t think she was ultra-popular either. For a lot of people she was the lesser evil, in many cases only because Trump was the other one with a chance to win.

  39. Matt

    “George, why is it a problem that people want to come here and work and pay taxes? Maybe I missed the point of your post.”

    I read his post differently than you did.

    ” I don’t see it as a problem. I say Bienvendo!”

    Same here.

    “Attacking the corrupt voting system is great. Using the guise of attacking the corrupt voting system to line the pockets of your foundation is not.”

    Do you have any reason to believe she won’t use the money to attack the corrupt voting system? And if it does go to a foundation, maybe she will do good things with it. Unlike say trading political favors in pay to play schemes, bribes from foreign leaders and government contractors, giant portraits of herself, or paying off personal lawsuits in cases where she swindled people, as is the case with the Clinton and Trump foundations respectively.

  40. Matt

    “All Jill Stein is doing is what the Democrats (and everybody else) ought to be doing. She is modeling how a politician that represents the people and cares about the integrity of democracy ought to behave (as opposed to the Democratic politicians). So what if she’s colloborating with Democratic activists to execute the recount? Either way, in the eyes of ordinary citizens, the credibility of the GP is going up while DP stock is going down.”

    I agree.

  41. Richard Winger

    It was entirely rational for Jill Stein to choose Democratic Party election law attorneys to help represent her in the recount. They are specialists. Unfortunately the Green Party doesn’t seem to have any attorneys who are specialists in election law. That is why, when the Green Party files ballot access lawsuits, they use attorneys who are not members of the Green Party. It would be great if the Green Party did have members who are specialists in election law.

    It is not fair to criticize Jill Stein for failing to ask for a recount in Nevada. She was not on the ballot in Nevada and thus she couldn’t do that.

  42. Jill Pyeatt

    I’m surprised that no one has commented on Luke Rudkowski. He is the founder of WeAreChange, which, to my knowledge, is the original 9/11 Truth group.

    I also found it interesting that Christina mentioned Gary Franchi, who has founded the Next News Network. I can’t listen to him anymore, because most everything he does is anti-Hillary and pro-Trump. I’ve met both Luke and Franchi, and it’s interesting to see how each one has evolved over the past year or two,

  43. Tony From Long Island

    Jill: ” . . . . Luke Rudkowski. He is the founder of WeAreChange, which, to my knowledge, is the original 9/11 Truth group. . . . . .”

    Trust me, if I knew that, I would have commented! You know how I feel about that particular conspiracy theory!

  44. Jeff 4 Justice

    Christina Tobin has been accused of her own ethically questionable finances.
    See the videos:

    -Free & Equal’s Leader Should Reply To Allegations She Owes Money
    -8 Questionable Concerns About Free & Equal’s Founder Christina Tobin
    -Christina Tobin Confronted For Trying To Change Rape Accusation Question Vid Title

  45. George Dance

    Tonio de Isla largo: “Most voters are not as cynical as you or libertarians in general. We tend to think our vote does matter and we vote for the candidate of our choice because we prefer their direction over the other candidates.’

    Oh, don’t go Rachel Maddow on me. Libertarian, and other third party voters, are voting for the ‘candidate of our choice because we prefer their direction’ as much as (if not more than) any other voters. True, very few Libertarian voters thought their vote would decide things, but that’s not ‘cynicism’.

    And again: ““George, why is it a problem that people want to come here and work and pay taxes? Maybe I missed the point of your post.”

    You did. It isn’t a problem that (non-U.S.) citizens want to come to the U.S., and work and pay taxes there. The ‘problem’ I referenced was Mr. Teeth’s claim that some of them have been committing ID fraud and passing themselves off as citizens – and my point was that, to the extent anyone is doing the, it’s because of the politicians who’ve been making it illegal for them to do the former without doing that.

  46. Tony From Long Island

    Jorge: ” . . . . Oh, don’t go Rachel Maddow on me. . . . . ”

    At least you have watched Rachel enough to know if someone is going “Rachel Maddow” on you 🙂

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